I was part of a Re-railing crew in the UK and some of the derailments that could have been prevented because of simple mistakes are unbelievable. Thankfully, they are mostly in sidings or depot`s so the speed is minimal.
We had a similar accident at Waipahi in New Zealand's south. Not identical, but similar. One of the trains was late so they were planned to pass at Waipahi instead of the usual crossing point of the next loop down. The first train parked on the main to wait for the second to pass. Regulations dictated that the driver should have got out and set the points for the loop ready for the second train to go straight in while he was waiting but it was common practice not to bother since the oncoming train would have to stop anyway to get a new track warrant. Meanwhile the second train did a crew change farther up the line and the new driver apparently did not read the track warrant properly, so he expected to blaze right through Waipahi and meet the first train at the next loop where it would normally be. He came charging round the corner, saw the other train parked in his path and had no chance of avoiding it. Unfortunately the waiting driver was killed when the oncoming train mounted the waiting one and crushed the cab.
The cheapest most effective way, could be to fit each switch stand with a GPS/Solar battery powered position indicator that could be pinged by dispatch or the crew of trains running on dark territory, requiring only minimal power for a return signature to indicate "normal or diverge".
GENOOBT LP speeds are already limited on OCS subdivisions. Even at 10 mph trains can’t stop on a dime. Limiting a subdivision to a single train is not at all practical
Wesley Maxfield his 2 colleagues jumped. The first hit his head on rock (pretty hard too) and died, the other one survived the jump but died from poisoning.
It seems a lot safer to risk it by jumping than to stay inside the cab, where most of the force of the initial impact will be concentrated. The most dangerous thing about jumping though is probably the chance of getting crushed by derailed cars. I think that most people would prefer to break a few bones over dying gruesomely in a twisted steel mess.
Grace B Except the cab and end structure is designed for just such an event. Most engine crew die from being buried by the train. As a locomotive mechanic I would choose the cab knowing how it is built. It’s not a brick outhouse, it’s a steel outhouse. Literally.
Wait, I just noticed something. Comparing this wreck to the Kismet Train Collision, and guess what?! All locomotives, except the SD50s, were returned to service.
do u know why? because the sd50 is arguably THE WORST DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE EVER BUILT infact from what i heard even starting an sd50 up is a miracle who would want to keep those things around
Seeing the switch improperly lined from 2,000' away is irrelevant when a Track Warrant relieves you of 6.27. Reporting a switch lined and locked for main track movement in TWC means just that - It's lined and locked for main track movement. Insinuating that the BNSF crew was partially at fault in this particular case is absurd.
The NTSB is faulty, because it was made for highways, not trains. Anything the NTSB says I take lightly, and thus always wait for the slower FRA to finalize their investigation.
Same here! Dad was flown by Helicopter 🚁 to Lubbock due to Pneumonia that had progressed and he never made it back out of Lubbock.... I won't say anything bad about Lubbock hospitals but I know Dad could have been saved had they flown him to Albuquerque, NM instead of Lubbock.
@@thedesertdwellerfromutah4354 Exactly. My papa was probably in Carlsbad which is literally almost right by Albuquerque. But at the same time he did suffer an aneurysm so at that point there was no saving him.
Your not suppose to jump from the train regardless............they wanna take the chance and end up getting crushed then thats on them, there is no hindsight when they are told to stay in the train and not to jump off.
Sometimes experience doesn't always play out as you would think, fatigue clouds good judgement, and what the engineer did (RIP) possibly was a gut reaction to what was going to happen.
I dont get it, we can have cameras at every intersection in a city or town to watch traffic but we cant have a camera looking at a switch allowing a crew to see the actual thrown position miles in advance?
it all comes down to money for camera and maintenance of said camra. the sad part is a train wreak now and then is deam an acceptable risk. Howerver you now got me thinking Long lenses on train and AI to look further then human eyes.
@@eddiecanis that's a better idea, as the crew would know the camera on their loco was working before they left the yard. In any case there need to be a better way to prevent switching errors.
@@Ray-dw3wg you think with radar and lazer pointer they could look down the track far enough to sound a alarm and make them stop the train. my problem is i got all these great idea and no way to make them real.
Maybe when they automate switches to detect incoming trains and move to the proper alignment before the train gets there, not unlike how crossing gates do it....idk.
It really isn't hard to see why a crew would jump. Look at some images of engines after collisions, and look at how crushed the cab is. Doesn't really look survivable. But, I've also heard a story of an incident where the conductor jumped, but the engineer decided to stay on. The conductor's side of the cab was completely smashed. He would have died had he stayed on. The engineer's side of the cab was untouched. They both were completely fine. There is a judgement call element to it, but it also comes down to luck.
Today is the 9th anniversary of the Roswell train collision. In loving memory of Union Pacific (SWRR) 9851. Hoy es el 9no aniversario de la colisión de trenes de Roswell. En cariñosa memoria de Union Pacific (SWRR) 9851.
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a similar wreck happened in shepard, texas when the local train backed into the siding and reported " clear " , got in a waiting van , and left. but the conductor did NOT line the switch for the main track. the relieving crew who came later , was in the process of getting the train in the siding ready to go , when an opposing train ran thru the misaligned switch and struck the standing local. the the relieving engineer who was getting his engines ready to go was killed. I KNEW HIM from my time working as an engineer out of houston. the original local crew , which did NOT line the switch , and thus set up the accident , made a bunch of excuses for themselves , but were found negligent in their duties. SAD.!!!!!!!!
The only way we'll see the end of exhaustion induced mistakes, is if people are no longer worked to the point of exhaustion. There is no other way that would have an effect.
It being dark territory prolly helps because nobody checks it twice if the crew is feeling lazy or skips something... misalignment of a switch is quite easy when you have to remember to do it. Misreading a track warrant is also rather easy compared to misunderstanding a signal, I imagine. I‘d petition for getting rid of track warrants. If you have dark territory, limit it to one train max. That way you don’t need to upgrade every siding you only ever use to shunt some cars to a customer but you can’t get these kinds of crashes anymore, provided the dispatcher is checked competently...
Operator fatigue, be it an engineer or conductor or even a truck driver shouldn't happen, but it does. The number of hours that crews for trains should be investigated and adjusted as necessary so that future accidents aren't this deadly......
(2:49 or 2:50) The fuel looks like blood and when I first saw I'm like.. "They must've had 6 tons of kool-aid or keeping godzilla's ear in there.." lol
Just BNSF not wanting to pay for injuries and death of the employees that sacrifice their life, health and time to a company. Class 1 railroads love to play the blame game.
That was chicken shit. That crew couldn’t have seen it that far away. Not to mention if the previous conductor reports the switch lined and locked for the main and that next train had a warrant that had nothing to do with that location, you can’t expect them to be looking out for randomly open switches. If that was the case, you’d be moving at restricted speed the whole way.
There is also a slight difference between the simulation and the real thing. In the simulation, it is highly probable that the people engaged in the simulation were specifically told to look for the indicator, which would have the effect of causing those same people to put most of their attention towards that indicator and probably pulled their attention away from other things. This is not reflection of reality at all, since presumably there are many things going on in the cab of a locomotive that requires the attention of the people in it as they monitor speed, brakes, etc.
Over here they would of repaired the engine with the damaged cab on it. When i was in the railways from 1979 till 1993. When a wreck came in to the workshops from a serious accident they would do a damage report on it first. And if the Chassis wasn't bent it was redeemed as repairable. With a new cab and that put on.
I was part of a Re-railing crew in the UK and some of the derailments that could have been prevented because of simple mistakes are unbelievable. Thankfully, they are mostly in sidings or depot`s so the speed is minimal.
We’re you alive when those 2 trains hit each other and then a third tripped over were u a re railing person at that time?
We had a similar accident at Waipahi in New Zealand's south. Not identical, but similar. One of the trains was late so they were planned to pass at Waipahi instead of the usual crossing point of the next loop down. The first train parked on the main to wait for the second to pass. Regulations dictated that the driver should have got out and set the points for the loop ready for the second train to go straight in while he was waiting but it was common practice not to bother since the oncoming train would have to stop anyway to get a new track warrant. Meanwhile the second train did a crew change farther up the line and the new driver apparently did not read the track warrant properly, so he expected to blaze right through Waipahi and meet the first train at the next loop where it would normally be. He came charging round the corner, saw the other train parked in his path and had no chance of avoiding it. Unfortunately the waiting driver was killed when the oncoming train mounted the waiting one and crushed the cab.
The cheapest most effective way, could be to fit each switch stand with a GPS/Solar battery powered position indicator that could be pinged by dispatch or the crew of trains running on dark territory, requiring only minimal power for a return signature to indicate "normal or diverge".
And here i thought dark territory was just a name for a movie. Didnt know it was a thing. Under Seige 2 Dark Territory
Basically it's a stretch of track that's not signaled.
Why doesn’t the rulemaker just outlaw more than one train being in dark territory or limit dark territory to speeds where you can stop in time?
GENOOBT LP speeds are already limited on OCS subdivisions. Even at 10 mph trains can’t stop on a dime. Limiting a subdivision to a single train is not at all practical
I've heard it's safer to stay _in_ the locomotive than to bail during a collision.
yea
Depends on a lot of things
Eh, it depends
Wesley Maxfield his 2 colleagues jumped. The first hit his head on rock (pretty hard too) and died, the other one survived the jump but died from poisoning.
@@HachiViper hell don’t call stop ✋ loser loser voicemails please please thanks so much thanks 🙏 it
Realize that when you jump out of a moving train you're jumping onto a bed of large, jagged rocks at 30+ mph.
They watched too many movies/
It seems a lot safer to risk it by jumping than to stay inside the cab, where most of the force of the initial impact will be concentrated. The most dangerous thing about jumping though is probably the chance of getting crushed by derailed cars. I think that most people would prefer to break a few bones over dying gruesomely in a twisted steel mess.
yeah tbh
Grace B
Except the cab and end structure is designed for just such an event.
Most engine crew die from being buried by the train.
As a locomotive mechanic I would choose the cab knowing how it is built.
It’s not a brick outhouse, it’s a steel outhouse. Literally.
Ryan Davis I take that back then. I guess it would be better to brace for impact than jump. Ignore my comment then!
I went from watching a bunch of road rage video, to car accident videos, to watching a bunch of train crash videos.
Me too
Went from doing online school to being bored of it and watching train crash videos.
I found the locomotives on the Internet: CEFX SD40M-2 3124, which is ex-SP SD45 8954, ex-SP SD45R 7516. SW SD50 9851 is ex-DRGW 5507, ex-UP.
@Kymoreon Walker no silly it's red dyed diesel fuel no human can bleed that much
Love your videos. Keep them coming! So many crashes, so little time.
Jesse Coburn's wife was my pre-K teacher. She was a teacher at Farwell TX.
Rip those how here involved
Thank you for the excellent information. A very fine mini-doc. Bravo !
Speaking of that Amtrak-CSX. Wreck I saw CSX 36 in the YN3 paint just last month!
Wait, I just noticed something. Comparing this wreck to the Kismet Train Collision, and guess what?! All locomotives, except the SD50s, were returned to service.
True
do u know why? because the sd50 is arguably THE WORST DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE EVER BUILT infact from what i heard even starting an sd50 up is a miracle who would want to keep those things around
My mom and sister live right across the highway, they said it was horrific when it happened.
2:34 That was the kismet train collision audio
Kismet and Roswell were similar. Both of the SD50s involved in the wrecks were scrapped
and it happened on a siding and it had BNSF involved
And 11 locomotives involved
Seeing the switch improperly lined from 2,000' away is irrelevant when a Track Warrant relieves you of 6.27. Reporting a switch lined and locked for main track movement in TWC means just that - It's lined and locked for main track movement. Insinuating that the BNSF crew was partially at fault in this particular case is absurd.
This result is directly from the NTSB report.
Tony Burzio WTF is the NTSB Smoking? Yes, you can see it from 2k ft. But noone is that paranoid to double check it at that distance...
The NTSB is faulty, because it was made for highways, not trains. Anything the NTSB says I take lightly, and thus always wait for the slower FRA to finalize their investigation.
Thanks for the great work 👍 I really enjoy your posts.
6:10 I saw this documentary before the Robinson New Mexico train collision. I saw it in 2019 and it was gone
Thank you
Lubbock was the same place my papa was hospitalized at, and died in the same place. God bless him.
Same here! Dad was flown by Helicopter 🚁 to Lubbock due to Pneumonia that had progressed and he never made it back out of Lubbock.... I won't say anything bad about Lubbock hospitals but I know Dad could have been saved had they flown him to Albuquerque, NM instead of Lubbock.
@@thedesertdwellerfromutah4354 Exactly. My papa was probably in Carlsbad which is literally almost right by Albuquerque. But at the same time he did suffer an aneurysm so at that point there was no saving him.
I was the one who recommended you this collision for documentary...
ways to survive a train crash:
step 1:never go in a BNSF
step 2: be the camera boi
step 3:don't go in fast amtraks
hope this worked lol
Nah man that got patched in the 1.15.6 bug fix. You need to update ir.
Maybe but recommended: Stay on train, Keep Calm, tell the truth, Stay off drugs and phone and then after crash: Carry on
🎵Waiting for someone to be wooshed🎵
Bruh
I remember when a crashed happened on the Virtual Railfan horseshoe camera where a train was having mixed freight & it derailed..
*wait what-*
What a shame !! That was a lot of power on the south bound train though wow !!!
That was Kismet Train Collision Audio sound effect 2:34
I have seen a Ferromex in the USA before. On 3/19, NS 261 was a lite power move I got. It was NS 9595, FXE 4093, & BNSF 3795
I have edited this comment so you don't understand anything :trollface:
I get it. Roswell, and the UFO beliefs.
SHHHH BEFORE THE U.S AIRFORCEMCOMES
Aris the cost
Hehehehehehehe
AHH SHUT UP DONT LET THE US FIND US!
You need to do one on the Great Dismal Swamp Wreck of 1986. NS Excursion train led by N&W 611.
Good video CamraManRailFan!
One time, i was heading to Las Vegas, I was in Kramer Junctions and guess what? I saw BNSF 1063 and a Csx engine!!!
I don’t see BNSF units that much, but CSX units are pretty common where I live. Anyway, great catch.
I live in Las Vegas and I have only seen BNSF where I used to live (California)
@@arionodhanis probably
I think I remember this train wreck. Also I'm first to watch this video
Those bnsf trains go by my house all the time never knew they were in a wreck
20/20 hindsight is a great thing to judge a couple guys by that in the moment thought they needed to jump.
viper2165 that bugged me as well
I agree,. what if the SD-50 was the lead unit and they stayed... squish.
Your not suppose to jump from the train regardless............they wanna take the chance and end up getting crushed then thats on them, there is no hindsight when they are told to stay in the train and not to jump off.
In their safety meetings crews need to be advised about the safety of jumping off. That way they don't have to guage themselves it on the fly.
Sometimes experience doesn't always play out as you would think, fatigue clouds good judgement, and what the engineer did (RIP) possibly was a gut reaction to what was going to happen.
Also similar to Kismet because there were 11 engines like Kismet and 10 out of 11 after repaired. Also an SD50 on both trai me were scrapped.
When history channel finds out this happened at Roswell
ALIENS
“Local Roswell train engineer abducted from freight train and returned to cabin, seconds before catastrophe”
I SEE YOU EVERYWHERE IN TRAIN VIDS
There is no way that they could have saw the switch stand from 2000 feet land positively identified it being in the reverse position.
0:35 what does the X stand for?
Rest In Peace, Jesse Coburn. We loved you.
Om Sadgatihi Praptirastu Mr Jesse
Nice Documentary
Nobody in the comments except for Ferromex SD70Ace seemed to comment about the fact that 3 Ferromex units are in this crash. in the US no less!
I dont get it, we can have cameras at every intersection in a city or town to watch traffic but we cant have a camera looking at a switch allowing a crew to see the actual thrown position miles in advance?
it all comes down to money for camera and maintenance of said camra. the sad part is a train wreak now and then is deam an acceptable risk. Howerver you now got me thinking Long lenses on train and AI to look further then human eyes.
@@eddiecanis that's a better idea, as the crew would know the camera on their loco was working before they left the yard. In any case there need to be a better way to prevent switching errors.
@@Ray-dw3wg you think with radar and lazer pointer they could look down the track far enough to sound a alarm and make them stop the train. my problem is i got all these great idea and no way to make them real.
The sound is used from the kismet train collision
There's no actual sound df the Roswell Train Collision
Maybe when they automate switches to detect incoming trains and move to the proper alignment before the train gets there, not unlike how crossing gates do it....idk.
Shortline Railroads are not like Class 1s.
It really isn't hard to see why a crew would jump. Look at some images of engines after collisions, and look at how crushed the cab is. Doesn't really look survivable. But, I've also heard a story of an incident where the conductor jumped, but the engineer decided to stay on. The conductor's side of the cab was completely smashed. He would have died had he stayed on. The engineer's side of the cab was untouched. They both were completely fine. There is a judgement call element to it, but it also comes down to luck.
I really don't want to say it but THE UNION PACIFIC LOCOMOTIVE WAS NOT THE LEADER and it wasn't occupied by the crew
As long as the human factor is involved, this will never go away.
Was that 1077 that was leaking it’s fuel?
Chafano Nash yeah 1077 was leaking fuel
2:54 I think one of the cars need a band-aid
haha!
The trains got a boo boo let's get their mommy's to kiss it
LOL
Another excellent video. ♡ T.E.N.
The amount of crashes 1063 has been in is incredible
How many wrecks in total
Why do I have to lead this one. :(
Oof
Hmmm I don’t know
HEY HERE I AM 4059 I GOT A LOT OF DAMAGE
Phill swift:NOW THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE LETS USE
FLEX TAPE
Well done!
Today is the 9th anniversary of the Roswell train collision. In loving memory of Union Pacific (SWRR) 9851.
Hoy es el 9no aniversario de la colisión de trenes de Roswell. En cariñosa memoria de Union Pacific (SWRR) 9851.
Did you have to do type this comment in two different languages?
does anyone know the song name ?
whats the music in the beginning
What music was that 0:00
I feel like this seems familiar. To the kismet train collision.
6:03 What an odd looking switch. What is that?
Switch stand.
@@gloria6229 I mean the "points" are not tapered....they're just sawed off square.
@@dannywilliamson3340 I know.
Hey man good job 👍 and my version of the Roswell New Mexico train collision will be coming 4 to 5 days late but it not canceled 👍
Well I’m looking forward to seeing it!
Hey guys you both are amazing TH-camrs that know a lot about trains 😊😊😊😊😊😊👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🚂🚄🚝🚅🚈🚋🚇🚎🚊🚞 I hope you guys both reach 1,000,000,000 Subs👑👑👑👑💎💎💎💎💎💌💌💌💌👥🌞🌞🌞🌞⭐:)
And 10K
Angel Brock thanks you
Hey CameraManRailFan I finally upload the 2015 Roswell, NM Train Collision 5 Years Later
Another example of a incorrectly switch s the Granitville train collison I think sorry if I got the collison name wrong
2:01 oh god how long?
a similar wreck happened in shepard, texas when the local train backed into the siding and reported " clear " , got in a waiting van , and left. but the conductor did NOT line the switch for the main track. the relieving crew who came later , was in the process of getting the train in the siding ready to go , when an opposing train ran thru the misaligned switch and struck the standing local. the the relieving engineer who was getting his engines ready to go was killed. I KNEW HIM from my time working as an engineer out of houston. the original local crew , which did NOT line the switch , and thus set up the accident , made a bunch of excuses for themselves , but were found negligent in their duties. SAD.!!!!!!!!
No subtitles?
can you do the 2008 newton massachusetts train collision?
The only way we'll see the end of exhaustion induced mistakes, is if people are no longer worked to the point of exhaustion.
There is no other way that would have an effect.
Can you do the Panhandle head-on from 2017
Why is the sound the same sound from the Kismet Train Collision? I’m pretty sure that was not the sound made during the crash.
Why does every accident happen in dark territory in the west.
This _M3 ;)
Good question. Those are the odds I suppose.
UFO's?
Because it is still the Wild West.
It being dark territory prolly helps because nobody checks it twice if the crew is feeling lazy or skips something... misalignment of a switch is quite easy when you have to remember to do it. Misreading a track warrant is also rather easy compared to misunderstanding a signal, I imagine.
I‘d petition for getting rid of track warrants. If you have dark territory, limit it to one train max. That way you don’t need to upgrade every siding you only ever use to shunt some cars to a customer but you can’t get these kinds of crashes anymore, provided the dispatcher is checked competently...
What a crash. I cant believe allthose cars have been derailed
1063 was added to ro
joilet
BNSF 7134 came through on Union Pacific trackage in Southern Idaho on February 4th, 2023. And I got to see it.
2012 Goodwell Train Collision/Disaster
Operator fatigue, be it an engineer or conductor or even a truck driver shouldn't happen, but it does. The number of hours that crews for trains should be investigated and adjusted as necessary so that future accidents aren't this deadly......
Hey bro that train crash was from the kismet collision crash
Nice well done video
Great story, thanks.
(2:49 or 2:50) The fuel looks like blood and when I first saw I'm like.. "They must've had 6 tons of kool-aid or keeping godzilla's ear in there.." lol
Off-road diesel (not taxed) is dyed red.
I just saw one of the engines that was involved in the crash. Number 1063
i remember this crash me and my folks thought it was just a train hitting some cars too hard
It was
Damn that SD50 had some bad damage
What engine leaked?
#1077.
Crews should double check each other. Both pairs of eyes look at the switch.
Unrelated curiosity question:
How do they sync the tractive power of the locos when they're ganged like this?
MU System(Multiple Unit)
If I could add an upgrade to any fright train model I would make a back door to do from engine to engine
How can anyone really see the color clearly of the flag at 2000'?
The flag section is rather small.
Just BNSF not wanting to pay for injuries and death of the employees that sacrifice their life, health and time to a company. Class 1 railroads love to play the blame game.
That was chicken shit. That crew couldn’t have seen it that far away. Not to mention if the previous conductor reports the switch lined and locked for the main and that next train had a warrant that had nothing to do with that location, you can’t expect them to be looking out for randomly open switches. If that was the case, you’d be moving at restricted speed the whole way.
There is also a slight difference between the simulation and the real thing. In the simulation, it is highly probable that the people engaged in the simulation were specifically told to look for the indicator, which would have the effect of causing those same people to put most of their attention towards that indicator and probably pulled their attention away from other things. This is not reflection of reality at all, since presumably there are many things going on in the cab of a locomotive that requires the attention of the people in it as they monitor speed, brakes, etc.
There is no way they could have seen it and positively identified it as being in the reverse position.
A semaphore signals attached to the switch at each end of the loop would easily solve this problem
Were they pulling a load of neutron stars? 9 engines!
"Hey Shack!, you left your engines a bit sideways, he he ..."
"I hope you got your pension paid up, Shack!"
I really like the video but I hate hearing my dads music in this video, but over all love it!
im second
i like trains
nice documentary
Your 4th
He died by jumping from the train 🤔
Probably hit his head and died from his injury. (Maybe)
Your are ture
The train derailed onto him.
Ryan Davis maybe one of his engines (maybe 4682, 1077 or 1063) crushed him to death.
Trains are not toys! Do your job right or change your job!
Good documentation, thanks
We hardly need all those engine numbers do we?
Wow, they tried to evac a guy to a hospital that was 2 hours away? Why couldn't they just fly him to Roswell?
1:02 kinda sounds like sigma instead of I forgot
Why did it have 9 engines?
idk maybe the train was long
I did not see any of these engines today.
I’ve seen that RR on a road trip before lol. it has a ATSF GP30 l
Could these switches by changed by anyone? Or are they locked?
They literally just lock them with a chain that is all a chain that can get broke or destroyed by bolt cutters by vandal's
Over here they would of repaired the engine with the damaged cab on it.
When i was in the railways from 1979 till 1993.
When a wreck came in to the workshops from a serious accident they would do a damage report on it first.
And if the Chassis wasn't bent it was redeemed as repairable.
With a new cab and that put on.
Yeah it looks repairable , ps whats the worst damage to seen from a head on collision
Zombie Slayer8999 total destruction that you can’t tell where you don’t know if it’s a front or back
UP probably trashed it because it was an SD50
Just make all manual switches dissapear, that would solve the issue
how about just eradicate track switches
I say we do away with railroads all together.
I B Trippin how about do away with any form of transport
I B Trippin You do that you wouldn’t have trucks and you wouldn’t have truckers to drive them and you wouldn’t have a damn thing!
Looks like 1063 is in san diego yard now!
Jesse was a cool cat to work with.