My training instructor worked around the engineer of the train that failed to stop, somehow the engineer still has a job but refused to do any mainline work after that. They used this same video for some of our conductor training regarding the discussion of signals and how you have to stop 400ft before the signal (if possible).
So this is what a buddy of mine had told me… “They (BNSF) fired all 3 on the offending train. The conductor had prior violations and the brakeman failed the post accident drug test. They both stayed fired. The company botched the dismissal process for the hog and were ordered by court to reinstate him as a result. Both guys on the other train were badly injured and couldn't return. That hog is restricted to yard service for the rest of his career. He can still go out on the main within the scope of the yard job's duties. They wouldn't let him submit a statement about what happened. Then he showed up at the arbitration saying he was fired because he was black. And so his job was awarded back.” Not to mention the guy ran away from the wreck, and wasn’t found for hours later..
One quick correction: A yellow over yellow signal doesn't mean "proceed at a restricted speed." On the BNSF It means "proceed prepared to pass the next signal not exceeding 40mph, and be prepared to enter diverging route at the turnout speed." Restricted speed is a specific rule with specific criteria to be met, which ends with "do not exceed 20mph." Hope this helps.
I worked for BNSF mechanical at the time of this crash. I put most of the locomotive consist together of the east bound train that didnt stop the day before. Was always strange to think I was in all those engine 24hrs before the crash. And a side note, the engineer that didn't stop is still working for BNSF today. Met him once and was shocked to find out he was the one and still working.
@@CameraManRailFan If your wondering. I might have some info. Okay. So I know that the Amtrak was the California Zephyr. The truck was a gravel. It rammed between the 4th or 5th car. Causing a fire.
I noticed BNSF ET44C4 3970 at the very start of the video. It was involved in the Panhandle Train Collision back in 2016, and it was used as one of the a DPU units for the East Bound Train.
Fun fact! 3517 is the only one of the units sold by helm to NS that's still running. All of them were rebuilt or scraped. It's just a lucky one for now.
Especially the lead units of both trains which I would have guessed were way beyond repair looking at the post crash pictures. The only one that was scrapped was NREX SD50 5473.
I work for UPRR on the parallel Fresno sub and in my opinion the fact that the train entered the OS so late PTC would not have prevented this Crash. I'm glad we have it but in this instance this accident was inevitable. Oh FYI I loved your video. How about Goodwell OK or panhandle Texas next. Or even Hoxie Arkansas??
There's no such thing as a combined speed; whether you are going 30, 40, or 90Mph and the other vehicle or train is approaching with an equal speed or not, you are still hitting another object with the same kinetic energy as if it was stationary. The only thing relative here is the speed you are going when you hit that object.
6:42 this is the truest statement here. I don't like a lot of technology being put into cars these days, because while it does make them safer in some cases, or more convenient and easy to drive, when they fail, we're left with an operator that has no idea what to do because they've fallen into reliance on these systems.
Ok so one thing about this that confuses me, not that a change would’ve prevented this because obviously not, but it just makes no sense to me: why would they have the opposing train park on the mainline while the priority train passes on the siding? If the opposing train has to stop and wait for the priority train anyway, surely it makes far more sense for the opposing train to divert into the siding since it already has to slow to a stop and then accelerate from a stop, so the priority train can continue down the mainline at track speed?
There's no way on this earth that the engineer or conductor whom we see land on the ground on the passenger side of the BNSF, could have survived this crash. if the engine tipped over, it tipped over to its right, smashing the engineer or coductor., and from the photographs, we can see the engine tipped to one side, in the ditch, where the man who jumped from the train, landed.
@@kensingtonchapp4819 How could the person who jumped from the engine on the passenger side survive a train engine falling on top of him? There's no way he had enough time to get out of the way of that thing tipping over onto him-especially since he was probably hurt after jumping from the engine and landing the way he did.
Has PTC been added yet? I swear, every action its like PTC coulda stopped this....when the next big accident happen, is it gunna be all: PTC coulda prevented this....but now its like 2025 lol. I did transport a number of crews for CN that were messing with PTC stuff in 2018-2019...but idk what ever came of it.
PTC is now operational on that line and most class 1 lines in the United States. FYI the last ptc extension expired on 12/31/2018. No more extensions have been giving to my knowledge.
Does ptc stop a train before it comes to a red? Or only after it passes thru it? It seems like if its the latter, it would make no difference in this situation
The cement train was at full weight, so even the 4350 hp Dash 9 would not have been sufficient enough. 2 Dash 9s would have been sufficient. The mixed freight could have used only 1 unit, though. Regardless, you are absolutely right. The trains were way overpowered. More than likely the "extras" were being "dropped" at some yards or locations to be used on other trains.
@@dennisb9157 late comment, but because most of the units were mainly just SD's and leasers, I'd assume M-RICBAR had only been using the three C44's to pull the train, having the leasers be put onto the manifest instead of the standard power move.
I would assume the same reason as to why Thunder remade his Chase, MD collision, as both the originals were out of date, and needed a redo, so we have the remastered version to compare to the original.
My training instructor worked around the engineer of the train that failed to stop, somehow the engineer still has a job but refused to do any mainline work after that. They used this same video for some of our conductor training regarding the discussion of signals and how you have to stop 400ft before the signal (if possible).
Just because the engineer still has a job doesn't mean the company has placed operating restricting on what job is able work
Wow, even after wrecking two trains, he still is in the railroad business. I would have fired him as soon as the drug test completed
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So this is what a buddy of mine had told me…
“They (BNSF) fired all 3 on the offending train. The conductor had prior violations and the brakeman failed the post accident drug test. They both stayed fired. The company botched the dismissal process for the hog and were ordered by court to reinstate him as a result. Both guys on the other train were badly injured and couldn't return. That hog is restricted to yard service for the rest of his career. He can still go out on the main within the scope of the yard job's duties. They wouldn't let him submit a statement about what happened. Then he showed up at the arbitration saying he was fired because he was black. And so his job was awarded back.”
Not to mention the guy ran away from the wreck, and wasn’t found for hours later..
One quick correction: A yellow over yellow signal doesn't mean "proceed at a restricted speed." On the BNSF It means "proceed prepared to pass the next signal not exceeding 40mph, and be prepared to enter diverging route at the turnout speed." Restricted speed is a specific rule with specific criteria to be met, which ends with "do not exceed 20mph."
Hope this helps.
Man, I miss these documentaries. Your editing style is quite smooth and clean, I really like it.
Thank you! I'm glad you like it!
@griffin rails are you going to making more documentaries when you have the time, because I enjoyed your documentaries?
@@CameraManRailFan Are you going to be making another Engines of BNSF episode, and if you do, can you do the Dash 9's?
Your work sure has improved and I can’t wait to see what comes next! Also keep up the good work!
Thank you so much!
@@CameraManRailFan np
@CameraManRailFan please do the Mosier Oregon oil spill, not to many people remember it
I love your documentaries. Please keep it up
Jeez what a crazy story, thanks for sharing! I live in South Louisiana, and they have KCS Southern locomotives.
LTEX 2437 was last spotted in La Crosse, Wisconsin on May 30th 2022
You saw it?
I worked for BNSF mechanical at the time of this crash. I put most of the locomotive consist together of the east bound train that didnt stop the day before. Was always strange to think I was in all those engine 24hrs before the crash. And a side note, the engineer that didn't stop is still working for BNSF today. Met him once and was shocked to find out he was the one and still working.
Where did you met him at I'm just asking
Where did you meet him I'm just asking
Some Legends Say Nrex Is Still A Legend This Day R.I.P NREX 😢🙏
I research this once and now it’s my whole for you page
nice work interesting how you found more photos of the wrecked engines after accident
Heard of the collision. Interesting documentary and content, thanks for sharing!👍
This is better! I liked both but this one is special! Nice job
I love these train wreck documentary. Keep it up. Btw you should do the Amtrak vs Truck in Nevada. It also happened in June.
Thank you! Depending on my availability, maybe I'll do that one
@@CameraManRailFan If your wondering. I might have some info. Okay. So I know that the Amtrak was the California Zephyr. The truck was a gravel. It rammed between the 4th or 5th car. Causing a fire.
Good remake man.
Today is the 18th anniversary of the Kismet train collision. In loving memory of NREX 5473.
Good work man! Keep it up!
Thank you!
I noticed BNSF ET44C4 3970 at the very start of the video. It was involved in the Panhandle Train Collision back in 2016, and it was used as one of the a DPU units for the East Bound Train.
Fun fact! 3517 is the only one of the units sold by helm to NS that's still running. All of them were rebuilt or scraped. It's just a lucky one for now.
That's crazy that some of those were able to be repaired.
Especially the lead units of both trains which I would have guessed were way beyond repair looking at the post crash pictures. The only one that was scrapped was NREX SD50 5473.
Amazing content, Keep it up!
I work for UPRR on the parallel Fresno sub and in my opinion the fact that the train entered the OS so late PTC would not have prevented this Crash. I'm glad we have it but in this instance this accident was inevitable. Oh FYI I loved your video. How about Goodwell OK or panhandle Texas next. Or even Hoxie Arkansas??
Do you work for union Pacific as the engineer or conducter
1065 AGIAN?! Welcome to San Diego 1065.
Nice job!
Thank you!
@Railfan K Train Productions I enjoy your documentaries
@@CameraManRailFan I enjoy your documentaries
@@CameraManRailFan two of our favorite TH-camrs in one comment
I think 2437 is in Claremore, OK now.
This was the first video i ever watched on youtube
Very good this video.
Hey I just saw 3517 on the main at horseshoe curve about 3 days ago.
1:12 That picture is taken at the memorial center at Cajon Pass.
Very interesting documentary I didn’t know this happend
2:29 I live in California
Update for NS 3517: it was just retired and will be rebuilt as an SD40-3. It’s new number with be 6431.
There's Fate for you! (Kismet)
I lived nearby and walked the tracks afterwards on more than one wreck.
you already uploaded another one but guessing u made a new version
this is best video
Thank you!
request: 1987 chase MD amtrak collision
You should do the train derailment in Marana Arizona
Bro, just jumped out of the cab and said not out later, bro see ya
It would be nice to know the amount of sleep and rest these crews had prior.
Guessing the one engineer didn't have any
I just saw bnsf h2 dash 9 4059 in Lubbock texas here yesterday on a manifest
Nice video on july 21st 2012 a KCS train crash happened in Barton County, Missouri. Maybe a video about it?
Bnsf 2437 is located at Newton, Kansas
Can you do the 2004 Macdona,TX train collision 18 years later
Nice!
Is that railroad 🛤️ track broken 😅😅😅😅😏😒🙃🤔🤓🥸🚂🚉🚊🚉🚉🚉🚉🚉🚉🚉🚉🚈🚉🚉🚉
Do you when ep2 of Engines of BNSF might come out? Ep1 was really interesting; I hope to see more eps in the future!
I know, that's what I'm thinking
Last saw 2437 back at the Galveston storage track on our trip.
Edit: that was a week ago so it may have moved.
Have you ever heard of the head on at opal Mexico? just looking for any cause
They showed us the tapes in the program. The diverging train didn't dump it. Just set air.
most railfans don't know the difference and leap to conclusions
I didn't know this but this took place on my birthday june 14
I'm guessing that the yellow and blue engine was sold to the Portland and Western
There's no such thing as a combined speed; whether you are going 30, 40, or 90Mph and the other vehicle or train is approaching with an equal speed or not, you are still hitting another object with the same kinetic energy as if it was stationary. The only thing relative here is the speed you are going when you hit that object.
6:42 this is the truest statement here. I don't like a lot of technology being put into cars these days, because while it does make them safer in some cases, or more convenient and easy to drive, when they fail, we're left with an operator that has no idea what to do because they've fallen into reliance on these systems.
3:03 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I know, right?!
Why you don't have Norfolk Southern VenityGT?
Bro really said “fuck this shot I’m out”
Ok so one thing about this that confuses me, not that a change would’ve prevented this because obviously not, but it just makes no sense to me: why would they have the opposing train park on the mainline while the priority train passes on the siding? If the opposing train has to stop and wait for the priority train anyway, surely it makes far more sense for the opposing train to divert into the siding since it already has to slow to a stop and then accelerate from a stop, so the priority train can continue down the mainline at track speed?
3:56 Ain’t no way 💀
That was rough I was the brakeman
Do Miriam Nevada Because It's Almost June 24.
Either the signal might of malfunction or that was just bad timing
or.....employees just screwed up and did not obey the signals
I see we have the same taste in trains. Go Tigers!
There's no way on this earth that the engineer or conductor whom we see land on the ground on the passenger side of the BNSF, could have survived this crash. if the engine tipped over, it tipped over to its right, smashing the engineer or coductor., and from the photographs, we can see the engine tipped to one side, in the ditch, where the man who jumped from the train, landed.
good point im now going to look at it now
3 crew members per train, somehow all 6 did survived.
Well, you're wrong. I am a locomotive engineer for BNSF and they all survived.
@@kensingtonchapp4819 How could the person who jumped from the engine on the passenger side survive a train engine falling on top of him? There's no way he had enough time to get out of the way of that thing tipping over onto him-especially since he was probably hurt after jumping from the engine and landing the way he did.
@@IwshIcldstrtover thats a damn good question
Why were the trains so short?!?
16 years damn.
RIP NREX 5473
Yeah 5473 is the only locomotive that was a total loss
The switcher before the crash 🏃♂️👉👂
If you don’t get it I mean that the switcher ran and plugged his ears.
I saw bnsf 1065 at euegene train yard
6:29 5473 looks like a crushed piece of plastic
lmao facts
Well...he was the oldest of them all.
It’s 17 years ago now
Fun fact: This collision is now 18 years ago
Has PTC been added yet? I swear, every action its like PTC coulda stopped this....when the next big accident happen, is it gunna be all: PTC coulda prevented this....but now its like 2025 lol.
I did transport a number of crews for CN that were messing with PTC stuff in 2018-2019...but idk what ever came of it.
PTC is now operational on that line and most class 1 lines in the United States. FYI the last ptc extension expired on 12/31/2018. No more extensions have been giving to my knowledge.
Does ptc stop a train before it comes to a red? Or only after it passes thru it? It seems like if its the latter, it would make no difference in this situation
why does this have 41K dislikes? this is a good video
I think the two trains had too many engines and were way overpowered. In hindsight they only needed 4059 and 4479 to pull both trains.
The cement train was at full weight, so even the 4350 hp Dash 9 would not have been sufficient enough. 2 Dash 9s would have been sufficient. The mixed freight could have used only 1 unit, though. Regardless, you are absolutely right. The trains were way overpowered. More than likely the "extras" were being "dropped" at some yards or locations to be used on other trains.
@@dennisb9157 late comment, but because most of the units were mainly just SD's and leasers, I'd assume M-RICBAR had only been using the three C44's to pull the train, having the leasers be put onto the manifest instead of the standard power move.
The M-RICBAR1-13 had a W consit
Conrail 6829 was sold to nrex 5473 and scrapped
Wait why is there another one of these?
I would assume the same reason as to why Thunder remade his Chase, MD collision, as both the originals were out of date, and needed a redo, so we have the remastered version to compare to the original.
@@gladwinthefox2204 Straight facts
i saw the video when i was little left me on a cliffhanger cus the screen just went black. 8 years later i the story is fineshed
Crack cocaine?!?! Geez!! Were any charges filed against any of the engineers?
Do you remember me
5:27 Denver I see pass my town few times
Hopefully 5473 will have a great time in railroad heaven
18 Years… Wow
It’s sad that nrex 5473 was scrapped 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Moral lesson: NEVER use Drugs and alcool when you driving a car or a locomotive and PAY ATTENTION in signal. Or you will suffer the cossequences.
Similar to the Chase Maryland Collision
No it did not happen 16 years later it happened 14 years later today
what are the coordinates of the switch the crash happened on?
37°01'43.5"N, 120°04'48.0"W. You can see the patch of drier land where the fire and excavation happened just to the east side of the track.
Ltex/GN 2437 is going north somewhere
6:24 NREX 5473 Destroyed
The kismet train collision and cactus train collision and derail
Bomb and night in train station the same thing as a whole different ways that the only way we have been doing for the fire in the world 3:04
Was this on the news or no?
Why the hell did the manifest train needed 7 locomotive?
A funeral train a funeral train has old trains to be scraped so thats way 4479 need 7 Locomtives
@@Sdp40fguy 4479 had only 3 trains behind it i think you meant 4059
you got mail!
BNSF 4479 Crash to BNSF 997
A new version huh?
Indeed
There's no anniversary. No one's celebrating.
R.I.P NREX 5473
????-2006