That "second wind" comment is very apt, and very serious. Sometimes, domestic abusers are eligible for pre-trial release (often to relieve crowding in jails), as though adhering to a restraining order will be on top of their mind (especially as they have time to shake off the tiny bit clear-sightedness that they gained during be arrest, booking, arraignment, and perhaps brief jail visit.) Allowing them to be released while waiting for the wheels of justice to begin is a dangerous game to play. And, hey - the way that Lou approach to sorting out Roger at the end - angling him to see a professional, gain some insight, and then write a piece - I really respected that.
Every one of these episodes is more gut-wrenching than the last! Like the newspaper that it portrayed, this series dealt with serious issues that nobody else would touch at the time. It is perhaps some small comfort that as a result of programs like this, as well as years and decades-long struggles by committed social justice activists, the gears of democracy have turned in their ever so slow fashion, and some of these issues have been addressed by new legislation. But some of the issues raised by this program remain to this very day, and it falls to new generations of social justice activists to keep those ever so slow gears of democracy churning in the right direction.
Must've taken all the restraint in the world for the writers not to have Lou make reference to Mary's parties. Hey, wasn't that Mary Richards' dad playing the judge in episode 10? Thank you again for posting these so generously, this is getting me through the summer! Ed Asner is phenomenal.
I think the program deliberately avoided explicit references to the "Mary Tyler Moore" show. Some of the MTM characters--especially Ted and Sue Ann--were too cartoonish for the grittiness of "Lou Grant."
It certainly was him. If you're an All in the Family fan, Bill Quinn is one of four guest actors on this show so far (up to episode 10) who have appeared in at least one AITF episode.
Another magnificent episode of this wonderful series. This episode was written by the late Leonora Thuna, a prolific and, as seen here, gifted writer whose works were used on TV, in movies and on Broadway. Other Lou Grant episodes written by her are Henhouse (S1E4) and Denial (S2E12.)
It's a lot easier said than done. Especially when you talk yourself into believing that you're tough enough to take "some" abuse, or that you "fight back"in your own way. And having kids complicates things 10x as well.
Back in those days it was practically a sport, open season on wives and I mean open, everyone one on the block knew and 50% or more men on our block were champs at it.
I'm not definite on this, but I think I may have read a couple of years ago that it was her choice. She didn't want to do any more starring roles and only agreed to The Simpsons because it was a voice role and not on camera.
Back in 68, we had to do an intervention on one of Our male buddy's. He didn't really want to hear it, so We threatened him with an ass beating, that worked because He was a coward like all abusive people are.
It's kinda wierd since she was so well known as Brenda at the time and Brenda had met Lou that Julie was playing another character and Ed was still Lou!
MTM casting people liked to keep recasting actors whom they really liked in multiple roles over the years. Richard Schaal, in particular (Valerie Harper’s then husband), played at least six different characters on “Mary Tyler Moore”, “Phyllis” and “Rhoda”, and John Ritter and Henry Winkler both played different characters on both “Mary Tyler Moore” and “Rhoda”.
I wonder if things have changed very much?? I think the emotional, verbal and psychological abuse causes such devastating long term damage, The daily put downs and Threats of physical abuse can be irreversible, Speaking from my experience. I am in my 60's and suffer from Cptsd -
I hear ya. Some of the victim's responses get hard coded; cognitive-behavioral therapy can only do so much. An adult can at least run away from abuse. This episode really brings it home...
The best thing that Women should learn is the defensive arts because women are usually much smaller than the men that would act stupid with them. Learning to use the weight of the man against Him is best. Unless it's close quarters, then offense is best. Women should perfect their moves before trying to use them for the first time because if She fails, the bad guy will become even more angry and what would have been a single slap or punch could easily escalate into a violent beating. It's a shame that some men have forgotten that We are supposed to protect Women and not hurt them.
Send an emergency supply of Right Guard to Colonel Flagg, his pits are sweating right through that suit jacket like it's paper. Also, sidebar: I find it just a little scary when I say "Colonel Flagg" to SwiftKey (can't spell Colonel, serious bugaboo) that it knows that in that context it's spelled Flagg, not Flag.
Mike Fernandez, you complain about every episode repeatedly saying how lousy a show yet you keep watching - or at least commenting. Looks like you’re just trolling.
menckencynic, I have returned to these episodes over several years. I only watch them if they interest me enough to do so. The “Lou Grant” show is one of the few pieces of episodic television that has brought me back to see either parts or all of a series again. Off the top of my head, a few of the others on a pretty short list would be “The Dick Van Dyke Show,” “Six Feet Under,” the “Mary Tyler Moore” show, and “Northern Exposure,” what television critic John Leonard called one of the two best shows ever produced for television.
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@@inkyguy That's nice. Completely wrong about every single top 5'er, but nice.
This show celebrates a dying medium ....News Papers are going the way of the Dodo . What a shame that news became corporate and that journalism is on life support .
This episode probably gave some women the courage to leave an abusive relationship. I remember in the early 2000s, I was looking at a timeline of the first ladies in the Smithsonian. I believe it was First Lady Nixon who realized that domesitic violence was on the rise, hidden, but a social health issue in the 70s. I looked up Pat Nixon and found some information that she may have been abused. I have to read more on that. Kudos to the writers of this show to tackle a difficult, but all too common problem. Today there is therapy, but therapy wasn't all that common or discussed in the 70s.
Can't believe Billy/Billie opened the door to that creep, let him in, and just stood there while he started acting crazy mad! Should have called the police as soon as he was recognized, with the door locked between them. 🤷♀️
goesdownsinging Yes, he also played Mr. Van Ranseleer on Archie Bunker's place. The abused wife is played by the actress who plays Rhoda's sister, Brenda. And more famously, Marge Simpson.
Tough episode to get through. Very emotional and frightening. What a show.
Thank you for posting i watch Lou Grant 8-9 hrs a day .
8-9 hours a day...?! That's more than a full time job...
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That "second wind" comment is very apt, and very serious.
Sometimes, domestic abusers are eligible for pre-trial release (often to relieve crowding in jails), as though adhering to a restraining order will be on top of their mind (especially as they have time to shake off the tiny bit clear-sightedness that they gained during be arrest, booking, arraignment, and perhaps brief jail visit.)
Allowing them to be released while waiting for the wheels of justice to begin is a dangerous game to play.
And, hey - the way that Lou approach to sorting out Roger at the end - angling him to see a professional, gain some insight, and then write a piece - I really respected that.
~Did I see Animal run for the bathroom when the cops arrived! Then blatantly come off as stoned the rest of the party! Lol
+Christopher Willett You sure did, then He got so warm and fuzzy that He Hit on the Boss, euww :-/ .
Yes, the Animal flushed his stash. Is anybody surprised?
Pretty hard hitting episode, no pun intended. They sure were booze hounds back then. Thanks for posting these episodes.
Every one of these episodes is more gut-wrenching than the last! Like the newspaper that it portrayed, this series dealt with serious issues that nobody else would touch at the time. It is perhaps some small comfort that as a result of programs like this, as well as years and decades-long struggles by committed social justice activists, the gears of democracy have turned in their ever so slow fashion, and some of these issues have been addressed by new legislation. But some of the issues raised by this program remain to this very day, and it falls to new generations of social justice activists to keep those ever so slow gears of democracy churning in the right direction.
NO one had done a show about journalism like this before, and I haven't seen one since that comes close to what "Lou Grant" achieved.
Julie Kavner 💕Always loved her so you gotta know it broke my heart seeing her as an abused wife..great stretch from a great actor 🙂
Totally!
it's like watching Brenda Morgenstern getting beat by Benny Goodwin.
And if I understand the time-line correctly, she would have been playing Brenda in season 4 of Rhoda at this point.
wow, that's Col. Flagg!!!!
Must've taken all the restraint in the world for the writers not to have Lou make reference to Mary's parties. Hey, wasn't that Mary Richards' dad playing the judge in episode 10? Thank you again for posting these so generously, this is getting me through the summer! Ed Asner is phenomenal.
Rest in peace Edward Asner . I miss him already .
I think the program deliberately avoided explicit references to the "Mary Tyler Moore" show. Some of the MTM characters--especially Ted and Sue Ann--were too cartoonish for the grittiness of "Lou Grant."
I was thinking that Lou's party was going so much better than any of Mary's! Maybe she needed cute little frog cups & Lou's punch. 😂
@@goldilox369It was better than any party I could ever give. Hence the reason I never do. 😂😂
It certainly was him. If you're an All in the Family fan, Bill Quinn is one of four guest actors on this show so far (up to episode 10) who have appeared in at least one AITF episode.
The shirt Lou is wearing at the party is vintage cool nowadays....
I like how the last scene of the intro is putting the tribune under the bird for it to shit on.
The credit sequence goes whole circle, starting with a bird and ending with one.
Another magnificent episode of this wonderful series. This episode was written by the late Leonora Thuna, a prolific and, as seen here, gifted writer whose works were used on TV, in movies and on Broadway. Other Lou Grant episodes written by her are Henhouse (S1E4) and Denial (S2E12.)
My brother and I played the baby in this episode
I think Charlie and Mrs. Pynchon were patterned after Ben Bradlee and Katherine Graham of the WASHINGTON POST.
For sure
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This episode was well ahead of its time.
Don´t think so . Whien I had seen it in the Seventies it had been right on the point. But that tells me troubles did not changed since then.
At 3:30 'Brenda Morgenstern', sister of 'Rhoda Morgenstern'.
Marge Simpson
You have to end the relationship the 1st time someone hits you.....without hesitation
It's a lot easier said than done. Especially when you talk yourself into believing that you're tough enough to take "some" abuse, or that you "fight back"in your own way. And having kids complicates things 10x as well.
@@goldilox369 NOT buying any of that bs
That little baby is me and my twin brother
No way really? That’s cool!
"I'm not drunk, I'm not even high". Wow, waiting for the translation on that paradox.
We used to have a Winchels Doughnut shop in town. Pure 70s.
Back in those days it was practically a sport, open season on wives and I mean open, everyone one on the block knew and 50% or more men on our block were champs at it.
Thanks to shows like this domestic violence is not the social norm it once was . Its still happens but people do not turn their heads away from it .
Kavner went from staring in Rhoda to doing bit parts a few years later? But she's not doing bad with that whole Simpsons thing.
I'm not definite on this, but I think I may have read a couple of years ago that it was her choice. She didn't want to do any more starring roles and only agreed to The Simpsons because it was a voice role and not on camera.
Back in 68, we had to do an intervention on one of Our male buddy's. He didn't really want to hear it, so We threatened him with an ass beating, that worked because He was a coward like all abusive people are.
Hehe... My grandad tried that with my grandma a few times. Her 3 brothers (1 was a cop) threatened to beat his ass too. He quit that sh*t in a hurry.
I'm surprised Lou didn't burst into flames when Billie glared at him.
Julie Kavner was a brilliant actress and proves it here. So much more than that stupid Marge Simpson voice.
It's kinda wierd since she was so well known as Brenda at the time and Brenda had met Lou that Julie was playing another character and Ed was still Lou!
Doppelgangers.
Your sentence hurt my brain 😂. But seriously folks...
This show has the oddest way of recycling bit actors.
@@Zoomer30 ~ I noticed that on Mary Tyler Moore as well.
MTM casting people liked to keep recasting actors whom they really liked in multiple roles over the years. Richard Schaal, in particular (Valerie Harper’s then husband), played at least six different characters on “Mary Tyler Moore”, “Phyllis” and “Rhoda”, and John Ritter and Henry Winkler both played different characters on both “Mary Tyler Moore” and “Rhoda”.
"This is Billie Newman, can we talk?"
"Why are you calling me? You're just in the next room"
Good episode
There are plenty of women in prison for killing men like that. You should listen to them when they tell you to stop.
Lou is a PHYSIC! Did you see how he was reaching for the phone even before it rang?
@Zoomer30 A physic is a purging medicine to evacuate the bowels. I think the word you wanted was "psychic." 🙂
I wonder if things have changed very much?? I think the emotional, verbal and psychological abuse causes such devastating long term damage, The daily put downs and Threats of physical abuse can be irreversible, Speaking from my experience. I am in my 60's and suffer from Cptsd -
I hear ya. Some of the victim's responses get hard coded; cognitive-behavioral therapy can only do so much. An adult can at least run away from abuse. This episode really brings it home...
At 2:20~ Police squad cars courtesy of AMC, American Motors.
I remember this episode. Because of this episode I started taking Marshal Arts. Every woman must take self defense classes.
The best thing that Women should learn is the defensive arts because women are usually much smaller than the men that would act stupid with them. Learning to use the weight of the man against Him is best. Unless it's close quarters, then offense is best. Women should perfect their moves before trying to use them for the first time because if She fails, the bad guy will become even more angry and what would have been a single slap or punch could easily escalate into a violent beating. It's a shame that some men have forgotten that We are supposed to protect Women and not hurt them.
martial arts
Animal doesn't drink, buuuut..😶🌫️ 🤣
32:08 - Now? Now, I want to see Charlie _really_ bust a move.
34:52 - 36:00 - Great shades of Ted Bundy, Roger!
Julie Kavner ❤
Send an emergency supply of Right Guard to Colonel Flagg, his pits are sweating right through that suit jacket like it's paper.
Also, sidebar: I find it just a little scary when I say "Colonel Flagg" to SwiftKey (can't spell Colonel, serious bugaboo) that it knows that in that context it's spelled Flagg, not Flag.
Mike Fernandez, you complain about every episode repeatedly saying how lousy a show yet you keep watching - or at least commenting. Looks like you’re just trolling.
menckencynic, I have returned to these episodes over several years. I only watch them if they interest me enough to do so. The “Lou Grant” show is one of the few pieces of episodic television that has brought me back to see either parts or all of a series again. Off the top of my head, a few of the others on a pretty short list would be “The Dick Van Dyke Show,” “Six Feet Under,” the “Mary Tyler Moore” show, and “Northern Exposure,” what television critic John Leonard called one of the two best shows ever produced for television.
@@inkyguy That's nice. Completely wrong about every single top 5'er, but nice.
See how they made jokes about domestic violence 😩
Not much different now. People make jokes about anything.
Much Like In These So Called
Modern Days!! Sad😮
Yeah so funny!🥴right?
I know Marg Simpson's voice anywhere
+Jeff Cleary Yup, Rhoda's Sister.
Wow, totally missed that. I knew that voice was a bit familiar.
she got skinny for this show
Sean Donely from General Hospital is beating on Marge Simpson? I can’t unsee this! 🥺
This show celebrates a dying medium ....News Papers are going the way of the Dodo . What a shame that news became corporate and that journalism is on life support .
Good thing we have Facebook and Twitter now to tell us what's going on in the world. News has always been corporate, BTW.
i wish A and E bought back shows like that and TJ Hooker.
Roger (Ed Winter) was a hottie back then. 😍
Wow, Colonel Flag is a jerk in this show too...
Those birds in the intro are dead. lol
This episode probably gave some women the courage to leave an abusive relationship. I remember in the early 2000s, I was looking at a timeline of the first ladies in the Smithsonian. I believe it was First Lady Nixon who realized that domesitic violence was on the rise, hidden, but a social health issue in the 70s. I looked up Pat Nixon and found some information that she may have been abused. I have to read more on that. Kudos to the writers of this show to tackle a difficult, but all too common problem. Today there is therapy, but therapy wasn't all that common or discussed in the 70s.
Can't believe Billy/Billie opened the door to that creep, let him in, and just stood there while he started acting crazy mad! Should have called the police as soon as he was recognized, with the door locked between them. 🤷♀️
Looks like Roger needs to wash his coffee cup, heck, just fill it with hot water and it's a cup of coffee again.
So what drug was Animal flushing? Pot? Coke? Pot mixed with coke and a meth chaser?
I bet he flushed the pot and took a handful of Bennies. That's why he was so loose after the cops left.
Not cool Donovan, joking about domestic violence
Why couldn't she just listen? Alice said maybe some other time!!
This is so heavy-handed. It belabors the obvious.
Did he.... kiss her on her lips?
"It used to be all about sex with me. Now I have 20 different STDs and some that don't even have a name. Reality sucks."
OMG, Brenda!
lol! Col. Flagg!
None of those domestic abuse jokes were funny at all. Woman die at the hands of they’re monster boyfriend or husband abusers pretty often. Too often.
goesdownsinging Yes, he also played Mr. Van Ranseleer on Archie Bunker's place. The abused wife is played by the actress who plays Rhoda's sister, Brenda. And more famously, Marge Simpson.
Me: I can't dance
Charlie: Hold my beer.
So Colonel Flagg broke Billie's wrist? Mystery solved.
MARGE SIMPSON ?
In California There's A law Against Hitting Your Wife So Do You Get Married Somewhere Else ????????
Surprisingly (or maybe not since the show was more of a drama), there were very few references the MTM show on this show.
He did mentioned that he was fired from his TV gig
Marge Simpson and Col. Flagg
Wow, Roger could just put hot water in that mug, bam! Black coffee.
Well, just noticed how dirty his cup was 😂☕
Young Julie Kavner looks like young Sandra Bullock.
So, point of order: Is it permitted for bosses to kiss employees at a office party?
In the 70s it was! Ha