Greetings from Loring Park neighborhood… Hopefully you watched the Vikings biggest come back in history yesterday … Amazing …. Thanks for the review as always ..
I turned it on at halftime, when I saw on my phone that they were losing 33-0. I forgot they were playing on Saturday, and only noticed the score at lunch. What a comeback, amazing!
I want to start with showing a mission, and then at some point when I've got a bit more time to perhaps play a full campaign. I think that would be a blast. :)
I'm never excited about a sterile rulebook with just text. It feels like work even if the procedure is easy. I grok things better with examples and pictures along with the text to help make the connections in my brain. I've been spoiled recently by Skies Above Britain rulebook and player aids. Probably the best rulebook I've seen in a very long time with great wording and examples which makes the rulebook blossom up to 60+ pages. It probably would have been half that with just raw text. It also does a fantastic job of teaching you the game by taking smaller chunks and working you up the layers. The player aids were fantastic by giving you the rulebook page # it referred to so you can find your way back very easily for more details. Also, not too excited about the one-sided counters in Skyhawk... makes it harder to sort out if they get jumbled up or flipped over.
That's been one of my pet peeves since I started in the hobby 4 years ago. I just don't understand why, since we're now in the 2020s, people don't embrace modern graphic design when doing their rulebooks. Now, I have this game and I have to agree that even though it's a lot of text, it's not that bad because it's explained well and walks you through the procedure of playing. But you still have to find important things within paragraphs, and that's inconvenient. Pictures and examples could have been helpful here. And I've said once and I'll say a thousand times that people want more players in our hobby, but one of the things that's keeping them away is the rules. This is not a complex game per se, but anyone looking at this book would think it is. And any gamer that is looking to come over from Euro style games will look at 99% of wargame rulebooks and have their eyes gloss over. It doesn't need to be that way. More designers need to start embracing and implementing graphic design in their presentation of the rules.
I agree that wargame teaching/learning in general can be leveled up. I love programmed instruction, like Jaws of the Lion and (apparently) Skies Above Britain. I also think there can be more done with making the distinction between learning and referencing. Some rule books are great for learning but weak as a reference, or vice-versa. I'd also like to see more video instruction, and ... quizzes to check understanding. :)
Couldn't stand waiting, especially when I found out that Legion has cheap shipping to Canada. Bought a copy yesterday, just waiting for it to arrive now. Thanks for the great review, totally sold me on the game. :D
Watching this video made me rethink my own judgement of complexity in wargames. If I imagine looking at things from a distance, all the details disappear, whereas if looking from up close, all the details are very apparent. Strategic level games don't need the charts and tables and "chrome" which is just an excuse for sloppy design, as opposed to elegant rules. However, that doesn't scale down to tactical. At the level of the individual bomber jet, you need all the detail to feel like you're really there. Too little detail, and you might as well flip a coin. I generally don't care for solitaire wargames, preferring two fisted solo, but some scenarios leave little for the defender to do, besides be a target. Bombing missions definitely fall into that category. Thanks for this thought provoking review!
Very interesting thoughts on the level of complexity, thanks for sharing! I'm curious to see how the loadouts and the support craft mechanic work in this game. My rough understanding is that they add some fun decisions. We'll see!
Steve Dixon put B-17 Queen of the Skies on steroids for a total bombing campaign experience in his Target for Today game. My gaming table sees it a lot and it is excellent! This looks like another total theater experience. For me, Steve Dixon is a designer like Gregory Smith and Dave Thompson. If they print it, I will buy it knowing that I will get more than my money's worth every time. Thanks for the heads up Zilla!
Really excited to see this one on the channel. I think it would make a great series. Early impressions are that it is a lot like the hunter / hunted etc. I wasn't able to get the hunters but got the hunted. Can be very challenging but like you said you have to embrace an element of faith. I have yet to survive the hunted but it's still a lot of fun lol
Yes, with the backlog of review games in the queue, I'm going to play some missions, then record one for the channel. Once I clear the review queue (probably the end of January?) I'm going to start thinking about some longer series again. I think this could make for a good one. :)
If I secretly get rid of some of my wife's Stephen King books, I can shove this between The Last Hundred Yards and Pokémon 😁 Target for Today is a great game, so I may pick this up after the holidays. I'm still flying missions in B-17 QoTS as well; bought my copy of QoTS at the PX at MCAS(H) New River when I was in the Marines
Haha! Maybe you can keep the covers of the King novels, put the games in place behind, and then put the covers back for camouflage? As long as it's not Night Shift, that one is awesome. Or the Shining. That's awesome too. And The Stand. That's great as well.
Skimming through the rules for 20-30 minutes, I didn't see issues, but I just skimmed them so far, so it's unlikely I would have caught much, to be honest. The parts I read were fine. :)
@@ZillaBlitz Good to hear. I just got TfT and it is dismayingly poor editing, especially since the rulebook is dated 2020 and the game 2016, so it's presumably a second edition. This is the first Legion game I have purchased, and I've been waiting for Air Raid: Pearl Harbor for years now, but I want to see if I can convince them to spend the extra time and money to have it professionally copyedited so it wears off less of my teeth enamel just reading the rules. I'd happily offer my services to them as a copyeditor, but I'm worried that they don't really care enough about it.
Thanks for the review. Target confirmed! Order executed. Package is acquired. Repeat package is acquired.
Ha! Nice! Good luck on your bombing runs! :)
Heard that my copy shipped yesterday, absolutely can't wait!
Nice! I hope you like it! :)
Nice video! Might be my first game for 2023
Subbed!
Glad you liked it, thanks for the sub, and I hope you enjoy the game if you get it and the channel too. :)
Absolutely awesome review. Your hard work making this video paid off. I just bought this game! Thank you for sharing!
Thanks, Ed! I'm glad you liked the video, and I hope you enjoy the game! I'm hoping to bring some gameplay to the channel shortly too.
Greetings from Loring Park neighborhood…
Hopefully you watched the Vikings biggest come back in history yesterday …
Amazing ….
Thanks for the review as always ..
I turned it on at halftime, when I saw on my phone that they were losing 33-0. I forgot they were playing on Saturday, and only noticed the score at lunch. What a comeback, amazing!
That sounds a lot of fun. Love the story element to it, and would very enjoy seeing this one making its way on to the channel.
I want to start with showing a mission, and then at some point when I've got a bit more time to perhaps play a full campaign. I think that would be a blast. :)
I'm never excited about a sterile rulebook with just text. It feels like work even if the procedure is easy. I grok things better with examples and pictures along with the text to help make the connections in my brain. I've been spoiled recently by Skies Above Britain rulebook and player aids. Probably the best rulebook I've seen in a very long time with great wording and examples which makes the rulebook blossom up to 60+ pages. It probably would have been half that with just raw text. It also does a fantastic job of teaching you the game by taking smaller chunks and working you up the layers. The player aids were fantastic by giving you the rulebook page # it referred to so you can find your way back very easily for more details. Also, not too excited about the one-sided counters in Skyhawk... makes it harder to sort out if they get jumbled up or flipped over.
That's been one of my pet peeves since I started in the hobby 4 years ago. I just don't understand why, since we're now in the 2020s, people don't embrace modern graphic design when doing their rulebooks. Now, I have this game and I have to agree that even though it's a lot of text, it's not that bad because it's explained well and walks you through the procedure of playing. But you still have to find important things within paragraphs, and that's inconvenient. Pictures and examples could have been helpful here. And I've said once and I'll say a thousand times that people want more players in our hobby, but one of the things that's keeping them away is the rules. This is not a complex game per se, but anyone looking at this book would think it is. And any gamer that is looking to come over from Euro style games will look at 99% of wargame rulebooks and have their eyes gloss over. It doesn't need to be that way. More designers need to start embracing and implementing graphic design in their presentation of the rules.
I agree that wargame teaching/learning in general can be leveled up. I love programmed instruction, like Jaws of the Lion and (apparently) Skies Above Britain. I also think there can be more done with making the distinction between learning and referencing. Some rule books are great for learning but weak as a reference, or vice-versa. I'd also like to see more video instruction, and ... quizzes to check understanding. :)
Plus, they could even do their own video play through besides independent reviewers step by step
Couldn't stand waiting, especially when I found out that Legion has cheap shipping to Canada. Bought a copy yesterday, just waiting for it to arrive now. Thanks for the great review, totally sold me on the game. :D
Cool, I'm glad it was helpful, and I look forward to seeing some gameplay on your channel! :)
This game just jumped to my top 3 want list. very nice review. Thanks boss.
I'm excited to get it to the table, too! Thanks for stopping in!
This definitely goes on my list. I could enjoy this a lot. Heavy crunch, good solitaire, Vietnam, air game...yeah, this one's on the list.
I'm looking forward to giving it a run, for sure. It does seem like a game you would like. :)
I see Stalin’s Triumph on the shelf behind you; I play-tested that game, and I have my last name on a German counter
That's awesome, congrats! Although I imagine that'd be a bit traumatic if it gets wiped out in a game? :)
I just picked up an open but unpunched copy
Nice, watch your six! :)
Watching this video made me rethink my own judgement of complexity in wargames. If I imagine looking at things from a distance, all the details disappear, whereas if looking from up close, all the details are very apparent.
Strategic level games don't need the charts and tables and "chrome" which is just an excuse for sloppy design, as opposed to elegant rules. However, that doesn't scale down to tactical. At the level of the individual bomber jet, you need all the detail to feel like you're really there. Too little detail, and you might as well flip a coin.
I generally don't care for solitaire wargames, preferring two fisted solo, but some scenarios leave little for the defender to do, besides be a target. Bombing missions definitely fall into that category.
Thanks for this thought provoking review!
Very interesting thoughts on the level of complexity, thanks for sharing! I'm curious to see how the loadouts and the support craft mechanic work in this game. My rough understanding is that they add some fun decisions. We'll see!
Steve Dixon put B-17 Queen of the Skies on steroids for a total bombing campaign experience in his Target for Today game. My gaming table sees it a lot and it is excellent! This looks like another total theater experience. For me, Steve Dixon is a designer like Gregory Smith and Dave Thompson. If they print it, I will buy it knowing that I will get more than my money's worth every time. Thanks for the heads up Zilla!
This will be my first of his games to dig in and play, looking forward to it!
Hi zilla how are you great video
Things are good, Ateeq. How are you?
@@ZillaBlitz bit better thanks
I like it
Thanks!
Really excited to see this one on the channel. I think it would make a great series. Early impressions are that it is a lot like the hunter / hunted etc. I wasn't able to get the hunters but got the hunted. Can be very challenging but like you said you have to embrace an element of faith. I have yet to survive the hunted but it's still a lot of fun lol
Yes, with the backlog of review games in the queue, I'm going to play some missions, then record one for the channel. Once I clear the review queue (probably the end of January?) I'm going to start thinking about some longer series again. I think this could make for a good one. :)
bring me the flight of intruder vibes ,
Ah, not familiar with that one, but I like the idea of trying to fly jet bombers over enemy territory. :)
@@ZillaBlitz the book is grear , the movie surpasa the top gun crap in realism
@@lufasumafalu5069 Good to know, thanks. :)
If I secretly get rid of some of my wife's Stephen King books, I can shove this between The Last Hundred Yards and Pokémon 😁
Target for Today is a great game, so I may pick this up after the holidays. I'm still flying missions in B-17 QoTS as well; bought my copy of QoTS at the PX at MCAS(H) New River when I was in the Marines
Haha! Maybe you can keep the covers of the King novels, put the games in place behind, and then put the covers back for camouflage? As long as it's not Night Shift, that one is awesome. Or the Shining. That's awesome too. And The Stand. That's great as well.
I sure hope they bothered to edit this one, unlike Target for Today.
Skimming through the rules for 20-30 minutes, I didn't see issues, but I just skimmed them so far, so it's unlikely I would have caught much, to be honest. The parts I read were fine. :)
@@ZillaBlitz Good to hear. I just got TfT and it is dismayingly poor editing, especially since the rulebook is dated 2020 and the game 2016, so it's presumably a second edition. This is the first Legion game I have purchased, and I've been waiting for Air Raid: Pearl Harbor for years now, but I want to see if I can convince them to spend the extra time and money to have it professionally copyedited so it wears off less of my teeth enamel just reading the rules. I'd happily offer my services to them as a copyeditor, but I'm worried that they don't really care enough about it.
Interesting, I haven't gotten TfT to the table yet. I've heard solid things about it, but haven't checked out the manual yet.