Here's my hypothesis. MANY more people will care about clip duration (total recording time) over clip integrity (stable frame rate and dropped frames).
great video and those are some difficult tests, well done thanks! I guess even pros sometimes need a certain level of long registration capability for some casual live sessions or concerts which don't require DSLR level quality. Since Xperias are practically the only high-end phones that keep SD card slots, this should be their advantage but not a vulnerability caused by not willing to add some cooling components. Just bit of let down, like the 1IV is so close to be a dream phone.
Dang did not even realize there were such inconsistencies on other phones. Great job Sony! That's awesome to see content creators like you who really put effort in finding the root cause of a problem rather than just pointing it out.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Still, I think the negative reviews on the Sony 1 and Sony 5 were justified. The biggest setback for purchase is that they're made in a limited quantity. They're sold in limited markets. They're expensive. If I wanted one, I would need to import it which means: risk, middleman fees, import taxes, and No Local Warranty. I may overlook these major shortcomings. Because the industry is so rotten these days, but that requires no major issues from Sony. Sadly this device has a few.
Thanks for putting this into perspective! I'm considering the 5 IV for my next phone because I want that sweet, sweet headphone jack and micro SD in a smaller device.
Enjoyed! It's criminal to spend a fortune on a pocket computer and only get to use it for social media (while failing to even take proper photos/ videos to upload btw). Devices must be properly driven - tested to the limits. Great video as always
What an exceptionally well done video. I'm so impressed. You're actually covering exactly what needs to be covered, and doing it factually, from the perspective of someone who is actually trying to used this, and any, instrument for creative and professional work. I never heap praise on TH-cam videos. You've done an exceptional job. Thank you immensely for showing us the actual real world performance of this device with desperately needed clarity, naked by accurately measured benchmark data.
Why is it that Juan is one of the only reviewers with a reliably logical approach. He is always pretty common sense... but when you look around, common sense isn't so common! I guess maybe it's my engineering mind that sees things a bit different? Once again, good work! I always feel privileged to watch your videos.
That's why I stopped watching and following large popular channels. Just because they have millions of subs doesn't mean they make concise and critical content.
If you want to use 4k 120 so bad, do as you said and turn airplane mode on. I'd like to also know if turning the internal battery off on the 5 IV and using an external power source such as a portable power bank works even better alongside that to get longer clips.
Impressive across the board. One needs to keep in, how to edit such huge flies, even with cinema shooting they dont normally shoot long single file shots and as you pointed out " how consistent is the video file." I would prefer consistency.
I think it's fine to assume most consumers won't mind some fluctuating, but that makes it even more important that we highlight the options that perform more consistently. A MUCH smaller potential audience.of phone buyers care about that, makes it MUCH harder to track good data.
Maybe you can do a series of tests on how you can improve the recording time of the Sony; shutting options on and off, maybe even using different methods to cool down the phone.
@@SomeGadgetGuy It is worth switching off "seamless zoom" and see if that helps prolonging the duration you can shoot. If I understand correctly that function keeps all three cameras active at the same time. Great content, love your videos!
So Michael Fisher should take a look at the fps of other phones claiming to record 4K120 instead of just complaining Xperia is tapping out when others push on.
Oh definitely. Make you wonder if he still is "independent". I was a huge fan of his, got the One M8 because of him. But he's a different guy these days.
Agrees with you. Juan and Tk are the best if you want to watch a neutral review of Sony phones . Sure GSMARENA was surprisingly recommending the Xperia 5IV wich I didn't believe they would. They never really recommend Sony only that Sony fans would love it and the rest would not
There is a cell phone case mod I've seen that supposedly helps syphon out some of the heat prolonging the use (albeit, I've seen it more for gaming). They put thermal pads on a piece of heatsink and made holes so the fins stick out of the phone case. The sticky side is stuck on the heatsink and the foamy thermal pad that isn't sticky to the phone and when they put it all together, the back basically has the fins sticking out. You can also buy fans that stick to the back of your phone nowadays just search for "mobile phone cooler" or "mobile phone radiator". idk how effective these are tbh but maybe someone can test them out 😉😉 nudge nudge 😆 some of the more popular phones even have phone cases with built in fans for sale.
I would buy one outright for my S22 ultra what would be the name of one of those cases, when I looked up cooling cases on amazon I only phone one that has little to no effect though it is a nice case
Great video, as normal. I also wonder about clip quality. There are many trade-offs that can reduce power usage at the cost of worse image quality or larger file sizes.
Was this aimed at Michael fisher (Mr mobile) because it defo felt like it was. Totally agree tho. I want a pro phone not one that can satisfy the average consumer.
Michael Fisher went on and on about how it can't handle video. I've owned Sony's for years and they care about battery and cpu integrity more than you doing something possibly unnecessary. I personally would rather my phone protect its internal hardware rather than let me play with my video camera. Let's not forget, a phone is a phone first and foremost.
Michael Fischer is no longer an individual to be trusted. It's been that way for more than a year. He is actually suggested a tablet could be a "professionals" tool. No professional can do all their work of a PC/Laptop. Most professional software doesn't even run on the limited ram available on high powered laptops. Most people in my industry (Assurance) end up sending elite books to double RAM before it can be used. He seems to have an issue with Sony as a brand, complains about the price but keeps telling people to take a chance on a Fold or Flip. Both have actually failed during recent years due to display failure. He is a reviewer for the super stupid and financially foolish.
Agreed....Fisher obviously has an issue with Sony. He often contradicts himself. It's clear he is willing to apply double standards on many things. I stopped wasting my time with him long ago.
Its especially telling when he seems to have trouble using anything that is ACTUALLY made for professionals. IE Sony Xperias. While still somehow being able to state with certainty what a professional can and cannot use.
@@Spearra exactly. So far as I can tell he doesn't know photography at all. He even states in his Xperia 5 mark IV "review" that he had other TH-camrs at the event give him tips when he showed the photo results.....which were very good photos. So I have to believe that he simply doesnt know what the hell he is talking about.
Coming from your other video as pointed out by you, this is a great video regarding these phones' capabilities. I want to upgrade to a X1IV from my XZ1, but the overheating issue stopped me. Now I understand the video recording limits, what about just point and shoot/capturing still images? I heard some people complains about X1IV overheats in a few minutes from just capturing still images or idling in camera app. Or should I just wait for X1V that will hopefully have better chip and thermal management?
Great job, really interesting to see this differences. Even not a pro, I'll prefer the Sony/Google "setup"; alert me when the phone is not able to handle what I said to handle.
I would love to see how the gaming phones do here. Shooting 4k at high framerates is a perfect excuse to get one with a larger heatsink and active fan keeping things cool
you got the ball.. respect!! i did use Huawei & Xiaomi before.. i knew what you meant here and your test did aligned with my previous experience.. they're cheating in my opinion and i dont like Huawei & Xiaomi anymore after that.. so i moved back to Sony.. The frame rate is real in Sony Xperia phone..
I was shopping for phones and tested Xiaomi's latest phone, I knew that it was not 120fps, OLED screen so looked bad and the wifi could not even play continuously a simple TH-cam video.
Best review for this phone. Feel like you're a little sony biased, but you seemed to back it up with proper testing. Was thinking of an Xperia Pro-I, but now I'm getting this phone!
I wish Sony allowed you to put their camera apps in the game launcher so you can enable hs power control or at the very least make it a toggle in the apps themselves. I side loaded the videography pro APK from the pro I onto my 1 III and I just have that in the game launcher to use his power control. I kinda want to test how well that may help heat management.
that doesnt help.. HS control is to bypass the power input to sustain phone operating and not charging into battery itself so lesser heat generated.. it is not suppress the heat direct as it mean..
Not sure if this will make things easier, but someone figured out that Google Maps innately works with HS Power Control. So of you want, you can just have Google Maps running in the background to turn it on "permanently". Not as elegant as your solution but throwing it out there just in case it comes in handy for some weirdly specific scenarios.
🤣🤣🤣 i loved this video! This guy is the real deal! In the past i trolled you while being a Sony fanboy but overtime and after watching more of your videos i noticed that your knowledge is vast and surpasses mine 😅🤣 but still trolling as i did i must admit all your viddies are really educational and seem not to be biased. Like scientists do. They test and show you their results. Cant hate on that! Keep the viddies coming good sir this stuff is entertaining ass well 🤣 hatts off to ya 🎩!
Really really great video! My question is, do you see and heating messages in sony if you shoot in lower resolution or if you use other apps such as watching movies or listening music?
I wonder if any of the gaming phones that have active cooling fans would perform on videos in the real world... I almost want one just for using GPS...
On a side note, Sony just announced an active cooler case for the Xperia 1 IV, however, it is tailored for mobile gaming usage, no opening for the lenses, which is a pity, considering the users can take longer high def video with the cooler on. I gotta admit, I am a bit skeptic to get the Xperia 1 IV phone, given that I have had a bad experience with camera overheating and shutdown while shooting high resolution and frame rate video, in this case, a DJI Action 2 action camera which I like the size but not so much on how the unit's thermal dispense method. After checking out this video, I might get the Xperia 1 IV a go, if the rumored next Xperia Pro will not be released in December this year.
Thanks is was very informative. I was wondering why the hell there was a 5 minute recording limit on my Galaxy note 9 when recording at 4K60 I assumed it would just record until the storage ran out I didn't know this was a thing on other phones as well SMH.
Well reasoned and presented. Thanks. Curious... why the Pixel 6A, and not Pixel 6 Pro? Is it just based on what you have around? Just thought the Pixel 6Pro is closer to the price point of the Sony, so a better comparison.
Just to cast a wider net. Different socs, different screen resolutions and refresh rates, different camera sensors. Different price tiers. Just trying to take a BROAD look. 4K60 is surprisingly well supported now from mid-rangers on up.
I came here after your SGGQA 297 stream last Monday. I completely forgotten about this one. I'd be curious to see if Xiaomi fixes the 60fps video encoding problem with the current 13 series, particularly the 13 Ultra. It'd be great for a revisit with 2023 phones.
Thank you so much for doing gods work Juan! Great Video about a much less talked about subject of discussion that really DOES MATTER to all potential customers. Poor showing by Xiaomi, that is literal deceit, it should just target 45FPS & then Record consistently at 45FPS instead, or, actually limit 4K 60FPS recording lengths too whatever amount of time it can handle before the framerate drops below 59.96FPS. 102FPS and 105FPS with the OnePlus phones also needs to be addressed, and either locked to 90FPS, or, once again limit maximum recording lengths to a lower amount of time. Sony really pulled out the big guns here! I would be interested too see if the video that is produced from each phone uses the same bitrate for video & audio as that might also explain differences in what the quality of the output file is like. I would hope that they all use the same bitrate but Zi suspect that they possibly don't..... And this now brings into question what the "Audio Recording & Playback" qualities are like on each respective phone, do any of these phones have a static Audio Recording bitrate or does it dynamically adjust? And I guess you could ask the same question about if the Video bitrate is static or dynamic too! Theirs far more to these devices than most reviewers tend to cover and it can be frustrating as a potential customer when trying to make an informed purchasing decision. Once again, thanks for the amazing content, and keep up the great work, your community loves you for the effort that you put into making such incredible videos! Peace to you my dude!
Experiment idea, would the heat warnings take longer if you use that Razer phone cooling fan for iPhones but stick it to the Xperia and let the cooling tech drop the temperature by a few degrees.
Juan you are the best honest reviewer. All your vidéos are well explained 👍👍👍👍👍 I have to choose between the xiaomi 12s ultra and vivo x80 pro. Which one do you recommand ?
LOL That's a TOUGH choice. I LOVE both. You gotta get REAL granular with the pros and cons you can live with. Like down to "what fingerprint sensor will I enjoy more" and "what kind of telephoto shots am I likely to take" alongside "how often will I want to shoot photos in near blackout conditions..."
I like that you added the OP 9 Pro with its 4K/120 capabilities, I am currently using it. But my ussues, it doesn't prompt you with heat warnings when recording. I have experienced wether its 4K/60 or 120Fps that it stutters when recording, and wen the temperature rises it freezes the frame but still recording.
Great review. Thanks! What a shocker regarding 12s ultra dropping frame rates. I hope you do a point and shoot review between 5 Mark IV, 6a, 12s ultra, and Axon. 🥰
Phenomenal journalism as usual Juan! ❤ I know this is a bit off topic for this video, but what is the state of recording to SD cards in the Xperia? Specifically, can you record clips greater than 4 GB to the SD card now if you format it to XFAT (or some other file system than FAT32)? I may be a bit behind, but I wasn't sure if this was fixed across all the brands yet.
A Sony is little like a Moto. They will do EXACTLY what you ask them to do. If you can manage it a bit, play with the power settings, and use HSPC, a Sony is a monster.
I haven't had an issue with it. I'm sure if you were gunning the burst photos hard and doing real time back ups over 5G with max screen brightness you could get a warning.
Another great and real review. I really think Sony should listen to this sort of review and focus on these comments for the advertising. Sony's always focus on the Pro tier setup and usage, and I think a lot people that buy phones because the advert told them it's the best phone, would be the sort that would buy Sony if it become known as professionals level phones. Only have to look at iPhone (masters of advertising) with the Pro version of the iPhone.
On a hot day a reviewer records 5 minutes 8k, 20 minutes 4k60 and then the slow pan test to look for stutter. If the reviewer had started with the slow pan test it would have been another result.
Did the 5IV do better than the 1IV? Sorry if you mentioned it, was half listening while playing with my daughter haha. On my 1IV I always pop aero mode if recording just incase I need to record longer than anticipated.
With the Sony Grip GP-VPT2BT + Xperia 5 IV you can activate the "durability mode". This mode makes the phone reaches higher temps for an unlimited time! Without durability mode it just shuts down because for safety so you won't burn your hands.
Honest Question: If a frame rate drops in the forest from 120 FPS to 102 FPS, can anybody see it? Assuming that it's not slow-mo. BTW, love love, love the minutiae of this video, Juan. When I'm interested, I don't merely watch these videos --- I pore over them. I rewind sections, sometimes multiple times. I digest. I sometimes watch them multiple times over a number of weeks or months. These videos are consistently go to. They actively inform my next purchases. They cut the effort of my due diligence by spans and give me confidence. I don't typically gush like this. If your level of analysis was common, I wouldn't take the time. But it's just not. Your breakdown in the mobile tech space of these kinds of issues is peerless, and well worth the price of admission. Even when I'm not currently in the market, I learn a lot for future reference. I know you're probably very efficient, but I can't imagine that it took you less than 15 hours to produce this video. Again, thank you for filling a niche that few others touch. Looking forward to more!
LOL, that first line got me. (And no, 100fps looks ridiculously smooth still). I appreciate the kind words, and I'm glad you're digging the conversations.
I wonder how much time would Sony shoot more traditional 1080p 60 FPS video. Would a thermal error even occur? Or is it something that most of the phones can handle with no issues nowadays?
I pretty much exclusively shoot 1080p30 on my phone due to storage/ social media limitations. How's the reliability of the Xperia 5 IV in this regard? (I only would consider 4K if I need to use my phone as a 2nd camera alongside my dedicated one in more proper video projects.)
Interesting, but, you can't use this review like kinda an excuse to overheating! That isn't acceptable! And it's not normal to "ignore" and not to fix that problem Sony!? I'm a big Sony Ericsson, Xperia fan and collector! Just adding a cooling solution is the normal thing to do! Just that. It's that easy. I'll have to wait one more year to buy a great Sony on 8+1 gen{at least}. Cheers.
I bought a little peletier cooler and strap it on the back of my pixel 6. I was able to charge, wifi android auto, and do a 3 hour time lapse, the phone stayed perfectly cool and I think my android auto even worked better
I REALLY need to try a cooler with heavier camera loads. I'd be worried about the fan vibrations, but those things work SO well at regulating temperature.
I am looking to upgrade my phone and have always been a Samsung fan, that is till they got rid of the SD card slot... on my SD card I mainly use it to store music playlists and full albums and didn't want the hassle to start from scratch uploading stuff to the phone memory (if did would be looking at the 256GB phone which can be quite expensive). I also do like the idea of wired headphones which again Samsung have got rid of. For this was looking at the Sony and was a bit worried about the overheating but heard some improvement has been made with the firmware upgrades (but this did sound a bit suspect to me for as understand was a hardware issue not a software issue). I can't see me using the 4K video shooting much and heard at normal HD quality video shooting it takes longer to heat up. Still not sure what to do so at the moment still got my Samsung S8.
so i am a casual phone users , not much on 4k video recording, but only taking photos and normal HD videos, in this case will i run into overheating problems then? I heard too much about overheating on this phone that got me hesitated on getting it.
Hey, isn't it possible for manufacturers to include a feature where if a certain quality+framerate (Say 4K@60 or 4K@120fps) can't be maintained any longer, an option to lower down quality and/or framerate (depending on which the user prioritises) should show up, tapping "ok" will lower them, otherwise "cancel" will stop recording That would give more freedom and flexibility depending on situation instead of either losing the frames or the recording itself
I WANT that so bad. I think manufacturers are afraid of confusing customers or fielding additional tech support calls, but those of us trying to push phones would certainly appreciate it. Like MotionCam will show dropped frames, and it makes me SO happy.
@@SomeGadgetGuy they already confuse a lot using weird names, be it for their features or model names, plus they play this numbers game with unnecessarily high MP camera lenses as you usually mention. Providing a greatly useful feature like I mentioned would be much more sensible than giving 100 time noise addition with digital zooms no one will ever use
Considering its mostly OLED screens now, I think having an option to adjust the size of the viewfinder and switching off the rest of the screen would be super useful and help with heat issues.
I don't see the point in shooting 4K. I would only shoot over 30fps if I might want to do some slow-mo. So the question for me is, which phone can shoot 1080p 30/60fps in the most extreme heat? I live in southern US where it is blistering hot.
this is where those clip on phone coolers (blackshark funcooler) comes handy, I'm now wondering if how long these phones would record if you put coolers on them.
That the 5 IV keeps 60 fps throughout is not an excuse for shutting down in 7 min. I have a 5 II and it can shoot 4K 60 more than 20 min. also in consistent 60 fps. The 8 gen 1 is just a hot chip. The 865 was the last chip that ran cool before the 8+ gen 1.
Has anyone ever tested extreme shooting limitations while keeping the phone submerged in cold water, either fully or partially? Fully would make it harder but it's entirely possible to keep a phone's "lens unit" directly up against glass while submerged so as to be able to capture video as clean as it would be out of the water. Obviously audio would need to be captured separately but most professional footage is captured that way, anyhow. Would be a fun experiment, for sure. I'd try it myself if I had anything worth trying it on besides a OnePlus 7 Pro
That’s what I like to see. Everybody complains, but nobody tries to understand and look for it. And once again Sony is delivering what it says it does. Not surprised by OP, Xiaomi or ZTE « cheating » though, it’s just disappointing.
I just bought the xperia 10iv. it's so bad on so many points. First time I'm genuinely disappointed by a smartphone I bought. My last was a LG - but with what I get now, I'm pretty sure that Sony will be the next to disappear from the smartphone market if they keep this trajectory.
I'll look elsewhere for my hour long, close up volcano ambiance videos I guess :/ But for real, thinking of it keeping a solid frame rate until it shuts off as a good thing is interesting. I didn't think of it that way but I totally get it. That does make the most logical sense
LA been feeling like that volcano 😅 And like I said in the pinned comment, it's a totally different tier of option. MANY more people won't care about a variable frame rate or errors in recording, but Sony doesn't build phones like that.
4k60 instead of 30 has become more important to me lately surprisingly in lowlight. On my pixel 6 and insta3060 1", when using software stabilization, it will drop exposure to 1/30 by default at night. I've found the stabilization is much better at 1/60 and above making the footage look way better even at double the iso. The pixel has no manual settings so 4k60 is the only way to force it unfortunately.
Drives me nuts that Google won't add some manual modes. After using the X70 and X80, this Samsung sensor is SO good. It really lights up when you dial in specific controls.
Here's my hypothesis. MANY more people will care about clip duration (total recording time) over clip integrity (stable frame rate and dropped frames).
It's the easy way
Are people really taking long ass videos? Ive never seen that out in the wild
and they shared it in social media which compressed the quality. wasting storage space..
great video and those are some difficult tests, well done thanks! I guess even pros sometimes need a certain level of long registration capability for some casual live sessions or concerts which don't require DSLR level quality. Since Xperias are practically the only high-end phones that keep SD card slots, this should be their advantage but not a vulnerability caused by not willing to add some cooling components. Just bit of let down, like the 1IV is so close to be a dream phone.
@@RenoYeh why would a "pro" not just use 1080p30 if they just need a low quality long video?
Dang did not even realize there were such inconsistencies on other phones. Great job Sony! That's awesome to see content creators like you who really put effort in finding the root cause of a problem rather than just pointing it out.
Just trying to show my work. That Xiaomi result was VERY surprising.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Deceptive behavior by Xiaomi, I'd rather they were just honest and just listed the framerate as 45FPS!
@@longnamedude3947 typical chinese phone's behaviour
I'm not surprised.....there is a lot of smoke and mirrors with smartphone marketing.
@@SomeGadgetGuy
Still, I think the negative reviews on the Sony 1 and Sony 5 were justified.
The biggest setback for purchase is that they're made in a limited quantity. They're sold in limited markets. They're expensive. If I wanted one, I would need to import it which means: risk, middleman fees, import taxes, and No Local Warranty.
I may overlook these major shortcomings. Because the industry is so rotten these days, but that requires no major issues from Sony. Sadly this device has a few.
The Sony is honest. Doesn't lie or degrade the CPU and battery unnecessarily. I think that's a pro rather than a con.
That's what I love about Sony phones. It's a full-on professional-grade smartphone despite the absence of 'Pro' moniker.
Thanks for putting this into perspective! I'm considering the 5 IV for my next phone because I want that sweet, sweet headphone jack and micro SD in a smaller device.
Did you get it? Thoughts?
Enjoyed!
It's criminal to spend a fortune on a pocket computer and only get to use it for social media (while failing to even take proper photos/ videos to upload btw). Devices must be properly driven - tested to the limits. Great video as always
This is my motto too. Use the power
Yes
What an exceptionally well done video. I'm so impressed. You're actually covering exactly what needs to be covered, and doing it factually, from the perspective of someone who is actually trying to used this, and any, instrument for creative and professional work. I never heap praise on TH-cam videos. You've done an exceptional job. Thank you immensely for showing us the actual real world performance of this device with desperately needed clarity, naked by accurately measured benchmark data.
Why is it that Juan is one of the only reviewers with a reliably logical approach. He is always pretty common sense... but when you look around, common sense isn't so common! I guess maybe it's my engineering mind that sees things a bit different? Once again, good work! I always feel privileged to watch your videos.
That's why I stopped watching and following large popular channels. Just because they have millions of subs doesn't mean they make concise and critical content.
If you want to use 4k 120 so bad, do as you said and turn airplane mode on. I'd like to also know if turning the internal battery off on the 5 IV and using an external power source such as a portable power bank works even better alongside that to get longer clips.
Impressive across the board.
One needs to keep in, how to edit such huge flies, even with cinema shooting they dont normally shoot long single file shots and as you pointed out " how consistent is the video file."
I would prefer consistency.
I think it's fine to assume most consumers won't mind some fluctuating, but that makes it even more important that we highlight the options that perform more consistently. A MUCH smaller potential audience.of phone buyers care about that, makes it MUCH harder to track good data.
Maybe you can do a series of tests on how you can improve the recording time of the Sony; shutting options on and off, maybe even using different methods to cool down the phone.
Sounds like a fun challenge.
It's waterproof right? Throw it in a pool, instant water cooling 😎
@@SomeGadgetGuy It is worth switching off "seamless zoom" and see if that helps prolonging the duration you can shoot. If I understand correctly that function keeps all three cameras active at the same time. Great content, love your videos!
I have the Xperia 1 iii thanks, in part, to your reviews and I love it. Compromises and all 😁
So Michael Fisher should take a look at the fps of other phones claiming to record 4K120 instead of just complaining Xperia is tapping out when others push on.
Oh definitely. Make you wonder if he still is "independent". I was a huge fan of his, got the One M8 because of him. But he's a different guy these days.
Thank you for your detailed and insightful videos. I'm sure I wouldn't get this information anywhere else on TH-cam.
Your reviews are the best and most balanced. I appreciate your work keep it up.
Agrees with you. Juan and Tk are the best if you want to watch a neutral review of Sony phones . Sure GSMARENA was surprisingly recommending the Xperia 5IV wich I didn't believe they would. They never really recommend Sony only that Sony fans would love it and the rest would not
Good video, thanks! How about a video about the gaming experience on the Xperia 5IV in the near future?
Seems like something I would talk about...
I wonder if the Asus rog phone would of done better in a test like in the video. Since its a gaming phone. 🤔
The one I need to try is the red magic with the internal cooling fan...
Awesome video Juan. There were some surprises for me.
Me too! 😁
@@SomeGadgetGuy 😁
There is a cell phone case mod I've seen that supposedly helps syphon out some of the heat prolonging the use (albeit, I've seen it more for gaming). They put thermal pads on a piece of heatsink and made holes so the fins stick out of the phone case. The sticky side is stuck on the heatsink and the foamy thermal pad that isn't sticky to the phone and when they put it all together, the back basically has the fins sticking out. You can also buy fans that stick to the back of your phone nowadays just search for "mobile phone cooler" or "mobile phone radiator". idk how effective these are tbh but maybe someone can test them out 😉😉 nudge nudge 😆 some of the more popular phones even have phone cases with built in fans for sale.
I would buy one outright for my S22 ultra what would be the name of one of those cases, when I looked up cooling cases on amazon I only phone one that has little to no effect though it is a nice case
Great video, as normal. I also wonder about clip quality. There are many trade-offs that can reduce power usage at the cost of worse image quality or larger file sizes.
Was this aimed at Michael fisher (Mr mobile) because it defo felt like it was.
Totally agree tho. I want a pro phone not one that can satisfy the average consumer.
I've always enjoyed your unique style. More than a tech reviewer, you're also an educator! 😃👍
Michael Fisher went on and on about how it can't handle video. I've owned Sony's for years and they care about battery and cpu integrity more than you doing something possibly unnecessary. I personally would rather my phone protect its internal hardware rather than let me play with my video camera. Let's not forget, a phone is a phone first and foremost.
Michael Fisher's review was frustrating...
Michael Fischer is no longer an individual to be trusted. It's been that way for more than a year. He is actually suggested a tablet could be a "professionals" tool. No professional can do all their work of a PC/Laptop. Most professional software doesn't even run on the limited ram available on high powered laptops. Most people in my industry (Assurance) end up sending elite books to double RAM before it can be used. He seems to have an issue with Sony as a brand, complains about the price but keeps telling people to take a chance on a Fold or Flip. Both have actually failed during recent years due to display failure. He is a reviewer for the super stupid and financially foolish.
Agreed....Fisher obviously has an issue with Sony. He often contradicts himself. It's clear he is willing to apply double standards on many things. I stopped wasting my time with him long ago.
Its especially telling when he seems to have trouble using anything that is ACTUALLY made for professionals. IE Sony Xperias. While still somehow being able to state with certainty what a professional can and cannot use.
@@Spearra exactly. So far as I can tell he doesn't know photography at all. He even states in his Xperia 5 mark IV "review" that he had other TH-camrs at the event give him tips when he showed the photo results.....which were very good photos. So I have to believe that he simply doesnt know what the hell he is talking about.
I loved getting to know another side to the story. Thanks for pointing out the importance of purpose and results when talking about video recording.
Felt it was worth bringing up for the minority of geeks like me that care about such stuff. 😅
Coming from your other video as pointed out by you, this is a great video regarding these phones' capabilities. I want to upgrade to a X1IV from my XZ1, but the overheating issue stopped me. Now I understand the video recording limits, what about just point and shoot/capturing still images? I heard some people complains about X1IV overheats in a few minutes from just capturing still images or idling in camera app. Or should I just wait for X1V that will hopefully have better chip and thermal management?
Solid take as always! Thank you for putting me at ease about the "heating issues" on a Sony🙂
Great job, really interesting to see this differences. Even not a pro, I'll prefer the Sony/Google "setup"; alert me when the phone is not able to handle what I said to handle.
I would love to see how the gaming phones do here. Shooting 4k at high framerates is a perfect excuse to get one with a larger heatsink and active fan keeping things cool
thanks taking the time for the informative vid.
Amazing review as always! Very helpful!
Great video which just answered all the questions! Thanks a lot for this
That some Gadget Guy knows his stuff👍😊
you got the ball.. respect!! i did use Huawei & Xiaomi before.. i knew what you meant here and your test did aligned with my previous experience.. they're cheating in my opinion and i dont like Huawei & Xiaomi anymore after that.. so i moved back to Sony.. The frame rate is real in Sony Xperia phone..
I was shopping for phones and tested Xiaomi's latest phone, I knew that it was not 120fps, OLED screen so looked bad and the wifi could not even play continuously a simple TH-cam video.
Best review for this phone. Feel like you're a little sony biased, but you seemed to back it up with proper testing. Was thinking of an Xperia Pro-I, but now I'm getting this phone!
Still better than any large popular channels who just claim something negative without doing any testing whatsoever.
I wish Sony allowed you to put their camera apps in the game launcher so you can enable hs power control or at the very least make it a toggle in the apps themselves.
I side loaded the videography pro APK from the pro I onto my 1 III and I just have that in the game launcher to use his power control. I kinda want to test how well that may help heat management.
I've been begging for that since the X1ii.
that doesnt help.. HS control is to bypass the power input to sustain phone operating and not charging into battery itself so lesser heat generated.. it is not suppress the heat direct as it mean..
But... Wouldn't bypassing the battery give us a bit more thermal buffer when using the camera hard?
Not sure if this will make things easier, but someone figured out that Google Maps innately works with HS Power Control. So of you want, you can just have Google Maps running in the background to turn it on "permanently".
Not as elegant as your solution but throwing it out there just in case it comes in handy for some weirdly specific scenarios.
Oooh... I gotta play with that ...
Lets not forget Sony 5 iv is a smaller AND thinner pocket rocket. This directly impacts heat dissipation.
Nice video. Shed a different light on subjects. amazing :D
Awesome work man. Thanks a lot for this video.
🤣🤣🤣 i loved this video!
This guy is the real deal! In the past i trolled you while being a Sony fanboy but overtime and after watching more of your videos i noticed that your knowledge is vast and surpasses mine 😅🤣 but still trolling as i did i must admit all your viddies are really educational and seem not to be biased. Like scientists do. They test and show you their results. Cant hate on that!
Keep the viddies coming good sir this stuff is entertaining ass well 🤣 hatts off to ya 🎩!
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Really really great video! My question is, do you see and heating messages in sony if you shoot in lower resolution or if you use other apps such as watching movies or listening music?
I wonder if any of the gaming phones that have active cooling fans would perform on videos in the real world...
I almost want one just for using GPS...
On a side note, Sony just announced an active cooler case for the Xperia 1 IV, however, it is tailored for mobile gaming usage, no opening for the lenses, which is a pity, considering the users can take longer high def video with the cooler on.
I gotta admit, I am a bit skeptic to get the Xperia 1 IV phone, given that I have had a bad experience with camera overheating and shutdown while shooting high resolution and frame rate video, in this case, a DJI Action 2 action camera which I like the size but not so much on how the unit's thermal dispense method.
After checking out this video, I might get the Xperia 1 IV a go, if the rumored next Xperia Pro will not be released in December this year.
Thanks is was very informative. I was wondering why the hell there was a 5 minute recording limit on my Galaxy note 9 when recording at 4K60 I assumed it would just record until the storage ran out I didn't know this was a thing on other phones as well SMH.
Right! We take a LOT of stuff for granted in tech, and it's just too easy to read the marketing, and never really test the claims.
Juan, great video!
Could you please tell, what the minimum frame rate(mediainfo app) was on sony and pixel?
Thx!👍
Thanks Sir for this video, very outstanding data, love your video
Well reasoned and presented. Thanks. Curious... why the Pixel 6A, and not Pixel 6 Pro? Is it just based on what you have around? Just thought the Pixel 6Pro is closer to the price point of the Sony, so a better comparison.
Just to cast a wider net. Different socs, different screen resolutions and refresh rates, different camera sensors. Different price tiers. Just trying to take a BROAD look.
4K60 is surprisingly well supported now from mid-rangers on up.
Hey Juan. Sony released the Xperia Stream yesterday for the Xperia 1 IV. Should try that to see if thermals will improve, even if a little bulky.
I came here after your SGGQA 297 stream last Monday. I completely forgotten about this one. I'd be curious to see if Xiaomi fixes the 60fps video encoding problem with the current 13 series, particularly the 13 Ultra. It'd be great for a revisit with 2023 phones.
So Xperia always shoots constant frame rate? or how is it about VFR vs CFR in the new xperia? Thanks for the answer.
nice video
Thank you so much for doing gods work Juan!
Great Video about a much less talked about subject of discussion that really DOES MATTER to all potential customers.
Poor showing by Xiaomi, that is literal deceit, it should just target 45FPS & then Record consistently at 45FPS instead, or, actually limit 4K 60FPS recording lengths too whatever amount of time it can handle before the framerate drops below 59.96FPS.
102FPS and 105FPS with the OnePlus phones also needs to be addressed, and either locked to 90FPS, or, once again limit maximum recording lengths to a lower amount of time.
Sony really pulled out the big guns here!
I would be interested too see if the video that is produced from each phone uses the same bitrate for video & audio as that might also explain differences in what the quality of the output file is like.
I would hope that they all use the same bitrate but Zi suspect that they possibly don't.....
And this now brings into question what the "Audio Recording & Playback" qualities are like on each respective phone, do any of these phones have a static Audio Recording bitrate or does it dynamically adjust?
And I guess you could ask the same question about if the Video bitrate is static or dynamic too!
Theirs far more to these devices than most reviewers tend to cover and it can be frustrating as a potential customer when trying to make an informed purchasing decision.
Once again, thanks for the amazing content, and keep up the great work, your community loves you for the effort that you put into making such incredible videos!
Peace to you my dude!
Experiment idea, would the heat warnings take longer if you use that Razer phone cooling fan for iPhones but stick it to the Xperia and let the cooling tech drop the temperature by a few degrees.
A thermoelectric cooler is DEFINITELY on the list for a future torture test 👍
@@SomeGadgetGuy isn't sony gonna announce it own cooling fan on the 12th?
Amazing explanation
Juan you are the best honest reviewer. All your vidéos are well explained 👍👍👍👍👍
I have to choose between the xiaomi 12s ultra and vivo x80 pro. Which one do you recommand ?
LOL That's a TOUGH choice. I LOVE both. You gotta get REAL granular with the pros and cons you can live with. Like down to "what fingerprint sensor will I enjoy more" and "what kind of telephoto shots am I likely to take" alongside "how often will I want to shoot photos in near blackout conditions..."
I like that you added the OP 9 Pro with its 4K/120 capabilities, I am currently using it. But my ussues, it doesn't prompt you with heat warnings when recording. I have experienced wether its 4K/60 or 120Fps that it stutters when recording, and wen the temperature rises it freezes the frame but still recording.
Same. OP cameras are so much fun, but I HAVE to shoot in really short bursts.
I installed Android 14 update provided by Sony and have no overheating issues recording 4k videos
Great review. Thanks! What a shocker regarding 12s ultra dropping frame rates.
I hope you do a point and shoot review between 5 Mark IV, 6a, 12s ultra, and Axon. 🥰
Another enlightening video as usual. How do you think a redmagic would fare with fan at max?
I need to try that, and also try a clip on cooler.
Phenomenal journalism as usual Juan! ❤
I know this is a bit off topic for this video, but what is the state of recording to SD cards in the Xperia? Specifically, can you record clips greater than 4 GB to the SD card now if you format it to XFAT (or some other file system than FAT32)? I may be a bit behind, but I wasn't sure if this was fixed across all the brands yet.
And as a followup, I wonder if using an external battery with the Xperia would help with HS power control?
Not directly. Still my biggest pet peeve that you can't add Sony apps directly to the game list.
Juan why you didn't include any iphone into mix ? :)
Thanks!!! I almost cancelled my Pre-Order - because of these other people. I did analyze, that I don't do a lot of video anyway (no long videos)
A Sony is little like a Moto. They will do EXACTLY what you ask them to do. If you can manage it a bit, play with the power settings, and use HSPC, a Sony is a monster.
Hey! I'm going to buy it too. What about your experience? Thanks!!
what about the iPhones? Do they have a consistent framerate?And what about the bitrate of the Xperia 5 iv videos? Is the bitrate high enough?
Thanks for the comparison tests. Does the Xperia overheat if you use the camera for photography instead of videography?
I haven't had an issue with it. I'm sure if you were gunning the burst photos hard and doing real time back ups over 5G with max screen brightness you could get a warning.
@@SomeGadgetGuy thanks for the reply! That was very helpful. Those were my main concerns.
@@SomeGadgetGuydoes the overheating problem has been solved after the last updates? I'm thinking of buying it! Thank you.
Another great and real review.
I really think Sony should listen to this sort of review and focus on these comments for the advertising.
Sony's always focus on the Pro tier setup and usage, and I think a lot people that buy phones because the advert told them it's the best phone, would be the sort that would buy Sony if it become known as professionals level phones.
Only have to look at iPhone (masters of advertising) with the Pro version of the iPhone.
On a hot day a reviewer records 5 minutes 8k, 20 minutes 4k60 and then the slow pan test to look for stutter. If the reviewer had started with the slow pan test it would have been another result.
Thanks for the explanation
Did the 5IV do better than the 1IV? Sorry if you mentioned it, was half listening while playing with my daughter haha.
On my 1IV I always pop aero mode if recording just incase I need to record longer than anticipated.
With the Sony Grip GP-VPT2BT + Xperia 5 IV you can activate the "durability mode".
This mode makes the phone reaches higher temps for an unlimited time!
Without durability mode it just shuts down because for safety so you won't burn your hands.
Great common sense as always!
Reviews that say things are fine don't get as much attention as watch out!
Will you review the Xperia 10 IV?
Lovely video but i wish you maybe included the pixel 6 pro instead of the 6a and the Samsung s22 ultra
Honest Question: If a frame rate drops in the forest from 120 FPS to 102 FPS, can anybody see it?
Assuming that it's not slow-mo.
BTW, love love, love the minutiae of this video, Juan. When I'm interested, I don't merely watch these videos --- I pore over them. I rewind sections, sometimes multiple times. I digest. I sometimes watch them multiple times over a number of weeks or months. These videos are consistently go to. They actively inform my next purchases. They cut the effort of my due diligence by spans and give me confidence.
I don't typically gush like this. If your level of analysis was common, I wouldn't take the time. But it's just not.
Your breakdown in the mobile tech space of these kinds of issues is peerless, and well worth the price of admission. Even when I'm not currently in the market, I learn a lot for future reference.
I know you're probably very efficient, but I can't imagine that it took you less than 15 hours to produce this video. Again, thank you for filling a niche that few others touch.
Looking forward to more!
LOL, that first line got me. (And no, 100fps looks ridiculously smooth still). I appreciate the kind words, and I'm glad you're digging the conversations.
I have been taking my 4K video recording on Mate 30 Pro for granted.
Didn't even notice it was on 4k@60.
Great video ! just considering change from S9+ (exynos) and phones are just enormous these days it looks like one to get !
The nice thing is, you won't have to give up headphone jack or memory cards 👍
I wonder how much time would Sony shoot more traditional 1080p 60 FPS video. Would a thermal error even occur? Or is it something that most of the phones can handle with no issues nowadays?
What do you think of the new Huawei Mate 50 pro camera? Variable aperture. Sounds great...really hope you will review it
Looks. So. COOL!
what was the time for the axon 40 ultra in 4k 60? or ''8k''?
was the Snap 8 gen 1 processor manufactured by Samsung or by Tsmc?
can you find out by installing some app?
8 Gen 1 are all made by Samsung. TSMC got involved with 8+ Gen1.
Real question is why is your office so hot? Lol jk
I mean have you seen me? Total smoke show. It's hot everywhere I go. 🤪
@@SomeGadgetGuy 😂
I pretty much exclusively shoot 1080p30 on my phone due to storage/ social media limitations. How's the reliability of the Xperia 5 IV in this regard? (I only would consider 4K if I need to use my phone as a 2nd camera alongside my dedicated one in more proper video projects.)
Interesting, but, you can't use this review like kinda an excuse to overheating! That isn't acceptable! And it's not normal to "ignore" and not to fix that problem Sony!? I'm a big Sony Ericsson, Xperia fan and collector! Just adding a cooling solution is the normal thing to do! Just that. It's that easy. I'll have to wait one more year to buy a great Sony on 8+1 gen{at least}. Cheers.
I bought a little peletier cooler and strap it on the back of my pixel 6. I was able to charge, wifi android auto, and do a 3 hour time lapse, the phone stayed perfectly cool and I think my android auto even worked better
I REALLY need to try a cooler with heavier camera loads. I'd be worried about the fan vibrations, but those things work SO well at regulating temperature.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Its pretty silent and It doesn't feel like it's vibrating much if anything at all
That's rad. I think that might be my next experiment....
try sticking a laptop M2 heatsink on the back of xperia 1/5 IV 🤔
I'll probably try a thermoelectric cooler next, but I wonder if a heat sink would help...
Love the way you dig the real reason behind and expose the cheaters! Kudos!! 🥰🥰😆
I figure most people won't care or take the time to listen, but a few of us geeks will actually want to know the reasons.
I be watching
Im super concerned my apple just works Juan how come android doesn't just works
Maybe you are an avuraj consewmer and do not check real frame rates?
IPhone fan bois often mystified how toasters really work.
I am looking to upgrade my phone and have always been a Samsung fan, that is till they got rid of the SD card slot... on my SD card I mainly use it to store music playlists and full albums and didn't want the hassle to start from scratch uploading stuff to the phone memory (if did would be looking at the 256GB phone which can be quite expensive). I also do like the idea of wired headphones which again Samsung have got rid of. For this was looking at the Sony and was a bit worried about the overheating but heard some improvement has been made with the firmware upgrades (but this did sound a bit suspect to me for as understand was a hardware issue not a software issue). I can't see me using the 4K video shooting much and heard at normal HD quality video shooting it takes longer to heat up. Still not sure what to do so at the moment still got my Samsung S8.
so i am a casual phone users , not much on 4k video recording, but only taking photos and normal HD videos, in this case will i run into overheating problems then? I heard too much about overheating on this phone that got me hesitated on getting it.
Hey, isn't it possible for manufacturers to include a feature where if a certain quality+framerate (Say 4K@60 or 4K@120fps) can't be maintained any longer, an option to lower down quality and/or framerate (depending on which the user prioritises) should show up, tapping "ok" will lower them, otherwise "cancel" will stop recording
That would give more freedom and flexibility depending on situation instead of either losing the frames or the recording itself
I WANT that so bad. I think manufacturers are afraid of confusing customers or fielding additional tech support calls, but those of us trying to push phones would certainly appreciate it. Like MotionCam will show dropped frames, and it makes me SO happy.
@@SomeGadgetGuy they already confuse a lot using weird names, be it for their features or model names, plus they play this numbers game with unnecessarily high MP camera lenses as you usually mention.
Providing a greatly useful feature like I mentioned would be much more sensible than giving 100 time noise addition with digital zooms no one will ever use
True. True 😅
Considering its mostly OLED screens now, I think having an option to adjust the size of the viewfinder and switching off the rest of the screen would be super useful and help with heat issues.
@@sensination1 they already do that
I don't see the point in shooting 4K. I would only shoot over 30fps if I might want to do some slow-mo. So the question for me is, which phone can shoot 1080p 30/60fps in the most extreme heat? I live in southern US where it is blistering hot.
1080p always use less bitrate than 4K, so you can easily go at least twice as long.
Can you try these phones using a Peltier cooler like the one from Corsair?
(I know, niche requeet)
Actually one of the more common requests in these comments. I definitely need to give it a spin 👍
this is where those clip on phone coolers (blackshark funcooler) comes handy, I'm now wondering if how long these phones would record if you put coolers on them.
Definitely my next experiment 👍
Juan, I wish you have sent this to Michael Fisher.... :)
That the 5 IV keeps 60 fps throughout is not an excuse for shutting down in 7 min. I have a 5 II and it can shoot 4K 60 more than 20 min. also in consistent 60 fps. The 8 gen 1 is just a hot chip. The 865 was the last chip that ran cool before the 8+ gen 1.
That's Samsung fabrication for you. 8+ Gen 1 got better because of TSMC.
Has anyone ever tested extreme shooting limitations while keeping the phone submerged in cold water, either fully or partially? Fully would make it harder but it's entirely possible to keep a phone's "lens unit" directly up against glass while submerged so as to be able to capture video as clean as it would be out of the water. Obviously audio would need to be captured separately but most professional footage is captured that way, anyhow. Would be a fun experiment, for sure. I'd try it myself if I had anything worth trying it on besides a OnePlus 7 Pro
On cold days (15-18 celsius) I can record over 20 min of 4K@30.
Snapdragon 810.
🤯
Here where I live in the UK, in that temperature you would have people out in shorts and flip flops! I’m not joking!
15-18 celsius ain't cold bro. Here in Finland that's shorts and t-shirts weather
@@mortti361 and here 👍😂
I've recorded 33 min of 4k60 on my Z3 (Snapdragon 801) in cold weather
Me: Nods slightly.
That’s what I like to see. Everybody complains, but nobody tries to understand and look for it.
And once again Sony is delivering what it says it does.
Not surprised by OP, Xiaomi or ZTE « cheating » though, it’s just disappointing.
I'm less put off by the Sony now. On paper it's a mega phone, super battery life plus a headphone jack and expandable storage
I just bought the xperia 10iv. it's so bad on so many points. First time I'm genuinely disappointed by a smartphone I bought.
My last was a LG - but with what I get now, I'm pretty sure that Sony will be the next to disappear from the smartphone market if they keep this trajectory.
Xperia 5 iv is overheating?
I'll look elsewhere for my hour long, close up volcano ambiance videos I guess :/
But for real, thinking of it keeping a solid frame rate until it shuts off as a good thing is interesting. I didn't think of it that way but I totally get it. That does make the most logical sense
LA been feeling like that volcano 😅
And like I said in the pinned comment, it's a totally different tier of option. MANY more people won't care about a variable frame rate or errors in recording, but Sony doesn't build phones like that.
4k60 instead of 30 has become more important to me lately surprisingly in lowlight. On my pixel 6 and insta3060 1", when using software stabilization, it will drop exposure to 1/30 by default at night. I've found the stabilization is much better at 1/60 and above making the footage look way better even at double the iso. The pixel has no manual settings so 4k60 is the only way to force it unfortunately.
Drives me nuts that Google won't add some manual modes. After using the X70 and X80, this Samsung sensor is SO good. It really lights up when you dial in specific controls.
I set my camera to 1080p 60 because I don't even own anything higher resolution than 1080p so I don't see the point in recording 4k yet.
There's still a benefit of downsampling 4k to 1080, but if you don't mind then you're at least saving space!
4K looks better on a 1080p screen than 1080, and it'll continue to look better when you do upgrade your display.
@@SomeGadgetGuy that makes sense, thanks.
Record 8k and watch it on a CRT.
@@1984Cutlass2nv if you're curious, the science on color compression is really interesting pocketnow.com/uhd-video-looks-better/