Burr DID become Vice President. He was VP at the time of major events at the end of this show….but the 12th Amendment in 1804 (during Jefferson’s time in office) changed the rules so the POTUS and VP were elected as a slate
What I really love about the beginning of “Election of 1800” is that after the sadness of “It’s Quiet Uptown” Madison is still visibly crying, this the tremble in his voice when Jefferson says “Can we get back to politics?”. Madison saying “Please” is literally begging to change the subject to something less sad.
( 32:11 i haven't fact checked but a comment somewhere said this was put in because they would cry or tear up every time It's Quiet Uptown played. Or just the preceding stuff
It wasn’t just an endorsement for Jefferson, Hamilton personally wrote every representative in Congress persuading them to vote for Jefferson after the electoral college tied
I've seen discussion that Burr telling Hamilton that he'll do anything to get what he wants, and that he learned it from Hamilton, is just such bad timing. Hamilton is still grieving and has finally slowed down and realised what some of his 'doing anything' really cost him, and the Burr comes in doing something that was viewed at the time as brash and ungentlemanly at the very least and is like 'so you inspired me to act like this'. There's a saying that the traits people dislike most in others are the ones that remind them of the bad parts of themselves, and Burr just rocks up and explicitly says it to Hamilton. I often feel sympathy for Burr because I can totally see why the endorsement of Jefferson feels like a slap in the face, especially after so many years of Burr and Hamilton being at least friendly as opposed to Hamilton and Jefferson just fighting, but also for a man who so often hung back to try and read the room he really dropped the ball on that one.
YES, I honestly love Election of 1800 for the line "Jefferson has beliefs, Burr has none." It's such a good roast and a good line and quite literally lead to Hamilton's downfall. ALSO, I LOVE Burr's entire verse in "Obedient Servant". It just feels so satisfying (especially the "disrespect" line :3)
I like this version of the song where Burr is off beat in the beginning because it shows how he is unraveling and losing his composure as compared to Hamilton who is an perfect beat (keeping a level head, not losing control as much). It really shows where both of their heads are at in the moment.
Yeah you're right! The tragedies they've both been through have had very different effects on the two of them. Alexander becomes more resolute, while Aaron completely unravels.
I feel like they completely changed personalities, switched them from the beginning of the play. Hamilton learnt how to wait, he threw away his shot, he wanted to stay out of the action. Burr took every opportunity he could to become higher, his ambition grew and grew. Hamilton went from someone who told burr 'you get nothing if you wait for it' to having that song quite literally get reprised in hurricane, a somg solely focussed on him and who he is.
"Ask him a question, it glances off, he obfuscates, he dances." Burr would thrive in modern politics, because that describes every single media interview with a politician.
Every time I hear burr's line "I look back at where I failed... and the only common trad has been your disrespect." it just reminds me of a quote from Min Yoongi's Songs "it's crazy to think my success is somehow related to your failure" as a response to burr.
I thought that was Burr’s second wife. His first one just has health issues and dies in 1794. Burr doesn’t marry again until 1833 and that marriage lasts only 3 years because he only married her for her money.
@@CherryBlossom3x3 Hamilton definitely loves her, and settled into the musical, another thing is that he is a fool who doesn't usually think about the consequences of his actions.
The Election of 1800 is the one point in history that gets slimmed down the most for the sake of the story of Hamilton, cause it was *so* much more complicated. For starters, Burr was actually running to be Jefferson's Vice President against John Adams, however, because at the time the President and Vice President were not voted on separate ballots (as you know, the one with the most votes was President and second place was Vice President) there was a tie in the votes between Burr and Jefferson. This made the election go to the House of Representatives where the Federalists realized that, while they can't have Adams, they could at least choose the Democratic Republican president they wanted. And right when Burr was expected by his party and Jefferson to bow out as was his responsibility since he was *suppose* to be Jefferson's partner on the ticket, he went behind Jefferson's back and started trying to gather votes for himself to become president instead. That's why Hamilton stepped in, because he knew some Federalists were leaning towards Burr and Hamilton couldn't accept that. That's also why Jefferson was so pissed at him, Burr outright betrayed him and the party and schemed to fleece the man he was supposed to be working for out of the Presidency. Combine that with how in the last election Adams and Jefferson, the leaders of the opposing parties, wound up as President and Vice President and slogged down the Executive Branch, *that* was why it was decided to change how President and Vice President are selected.
Yes. To put it in more parliamentary terms that Casper would understand, Jefferson ran for president as the head of the Democratic-Republicans and Burr was one of the other party leaders. Adams ran as the head of the Federalist Party. Instead of the expected result of Jefferson, Adams, Burr regarding seats in the legislature or Jefferson, Burr, Adams, Jefferson and Burr tied. If Burr was loyal to his party he should have told one or more of his supporters to support Jefferson. Instead, Burr saw the opportunity and tried to persuade the legislature to support him over Jefferson, rebelling against his own political party. That’s why Jefferson was so pissed at Burt. The misery of having a president and a VP who disagreed as much as Jefferson and Adams did plus watching an opportunistic party member try to seize the top job by backstabbing the party leader led to the adoption of the 12th amendment in 1804. It was only in the first 4 elections that the runner up became VP (1788, 1792, 1796, and 1800). After that, it was a slate with a president and VP from the same party. Jefferson won the election of 1804 with George Clinton as his running mate.
"You can't help but feel a bit bad for Burr." You'd be shocked how many people don't feel bad for him at all, Casper. He's the Eurylochus of the show. He started off as the voice of reason for the protagonist, was constantly bypassed by the protagonist, (Odysseus ignored the chain of command and listened to Polites over Eurylochus in "Full Speed Ahead" on how to handle getting food) then made one mistake, and people hated him for it, viewed him as irredeemable.
Well aside from killing Hamilton, Burr also went on to be a con artist. He married a wealthy woman and scammed her of her fortune & Phillip Hamilton II was her divorce lawyer. He also fled to Europe to escape his debts. And spent the rest of his life saying things like, “Me & my friend Alexander, who I shot.”
Interesting take. I disagree completely. I think he's irredeemable regardless of whether or not he shoots or even duels Hamilton. Dude's is practically opportunism personified. He stands for nothing except himself. He'll switch parties, morals, loyalties to whatever benefits him the most, other people be damned. Leslie's performance is mindblowing and the songs are amazing. The character himself is fake, selfish and untrustworthy. I wouldn't put him in charge of the country either. I don't care if he cries about it.
@29:39 That was a Nat 1 - at that time a lady was never made aware of a duel until she was forced to deal with the fallout - they were expected to pretend they never happened.
I really like the character writing on Burr and Hamilton, because the greatest strength of one is the biggest weakness of the other and throughout the story they grow right past each other in opposite directions only to end in reversed positions. At the beginning, Hamilton is the one to "not throw away his shot" and ask Burr "what are you waiting for?" while Burr is waiting for the opportune time and telling Hamilton to "talk less". And at the end Hamilton is the one enjoying the "quiet uptown" while Burr is seizing every opportunity. And both fail because they didn't "wait" at a crucial point (Hamilton in "Hurricane" and Burr in the song that's in the next video). I just really like how those themes were written into these characters and into the story, it's such good writing.
The “every action as it equal opposite reaction” is back and I still don’t know music terminology so I must say it again, music me brain good (please can someone translate it into actual music terminology)
Hamilton's criticism of Aaron Burr goes back to the beginning of the musical when Hamilton tells Burr that if he doesn't stand for anything, what would you fall for? Not including that Burr was involved in a treasonous plan with France, Spain and England against the Republic just a few years later shows how correct Hamilton's criticism was
Yes. Burr wants to "wait for it," to "sit here and see which way the wind will blow" as he tells us in Non Stop, and this was his pattern all along. He didn't join the Revolution until it was clear he'd be in the minority if he remained a Loyalist; he came out of the Revolution aligned with the Federalist party (same as Hamilton and Washington), but he couldn't gain office there. So he switched parties to be a Democratic Republican (Jefferson's party) so it "put [him] on the up and up again." Openly campaigning was NOT something that candidates usually did, but Burr did it because he was seen as willing to say and/or do anything to get elected. "Ask him questions, he obfuscates (dodges giving an answer); he doesn't want to be pinned down as having a particular stance on any issue because that can alienate voters.
one thing I find oddly appropriate is that - pertaining to Burr's "I was a captain under General Montgomery/Until he caught a bullet in the neck in Quebec" - Burr actually served in Benedict Arnold's force. And the person Congress authorized to oversee the entire endeavor was Major General Philip Schuyler.
Not only is the beginning instrumental for The Election Of 1800 the same motif as Washington On Your Side, the lyrics also mirror it. Washington On Your Side: "Every action has its equal opposite reaction // Thanks to Hamilton, our cabinet's fractured into factions" Election of 1800: "Every action has its equal opposite reaction // John Adams shat the bed; I love the guy, but he's in traction" It's almost like a semi-reprise, if you will
Something to keep in mind about Hamilton's endorsement of Burr, his "Jefferson has beliefs; Burr has none" isn't just "Oh, we don't know what he believes, it's too vague". It's "He's saying whatever will get him elected, he's always played to whatever way the wind blows". He's reiterating that while he disagreed with Jefferson on MANY things, Jefferson was still fighting for the good of the American people. He fought for what he thought was right, out of the belief that he could make things better. The sort of disagreements he had with Hamilton were largely on the bureaucratic side of things, how to handle the structure they were building. As was said in the video here, Burr just "wanted to be in the room where it happens". He wants to know the secrets, he wants to have a say in how things are done. Someone like that was always going to make decisions about staying in power over whatever was good for the people of the country.
I just have to say, one of my favorite lines of this show is "if you stand for nothing, Burr, what do you fall for?" and it connects directly to "Jefferson has believes, Burr has none", and that's it, since the beginning, nobody knows what really Burr stands for os what would be the things that he would do as president, what lines he would cross... "H: There's something that you wouldn't do? B: no, I'm chasing what I want", so, to me, makes sense the endorsement tô Jefferson instead of Burr
The high piano notes that play when Burr sings "you call me immoral, a dangerous disgrace." Are the same notes as the "whoa whoa whoa" from My Shot, except they're missing a few notes. Similar to how Burn is supposed to remind you of Satisfied but it's missing a few notes.
While not a common fav song for most people, Obedient Servant is my favorite Hamilton song hands down. I love all the songs and the more popular ones of course, but something about the beat and raw anger of this song really gets me. I love the simmering rage the compelling rhymes and lyricism. I love it so much
I have always struggled with picking a favorite, but Obedient Servant features everything I love about a musical! A waltz, a duet, someone who's calm and someone who's simmering, about to boil over. Alexander's lines are also finishing off the last of Burr's patience.
The Election of 1800 really makes the differences between Hamilton and Burr quite stark. Hamilton was in “the room where it happened” because he had specific things he wanted to accomplish. It wasn’t about his own personal power but shaping the country to be stronger. Burr just wants to be in the room, there isn’t anything he wants to do there, just be in it. Hamilton and Jefferson were strong political enemies, constantly disagreeing on the paths the young country to take, but Hamilton knew that Jefferson was trying to do what he thought was best for the country even if Hamilton disagreed with Jefferson’s vision. Hamilton knew Jefferson would try to leave America stronger when his presidency was over. Hamilton and Jefferson disagreed politically but Hamilton respected that Jefferson’s convictions were coming from a good place. Hamilton didn’t know if Burr would do what is best for the country or best for himself and that terrified Hamilton. He’d rather have someone in office with a different view but was trying to make the country stronger than someone out for their own gain.
"Feels like you could have a beer with him" The reason so many in the audience laugh is because this is taken directly from what people were saying in the Bush vs Kerry election.
"Fair game! Burr wants to talk sheet cake, let me pull out the receipts, you biscuit." This moment was my *favorite* part of the Patreon recording. Thank you, Casper! "Either left unchecked is wrong." Thank... you. It's like a person's diet. You must maintain balance or all sections of the body are thrown out of whack and nothing gets done. PS, I love how Nonstop's motif pops up when Aaron comes to Alex's door.
One thing I absolutely love about the introduction to Your Obedient Servant is that if you look at the section introductions through the play, they start with Hamilton 'son of a whore' and then more of his 'negative' background gets dropped in favor of his accomplishments. And now, in this song, we drop back to those roots as an insult and it's like 'how dare someone so lowly go against me.'
The biggest thing they mess up on is the Election of 1800. It wasn't Jefferson vs Burr....technically. The way things were set up the top two electoral vote getters were the President and the Vice President. In an attempt to get both spots be from the same political party, Adams and Jefferson basically had 'running mates', attempting to influence the electors (who cast two votes) into giving one of their votes to each 'running mate' and setting things up so the 'President' candidate would win. However, this backfired because Jefferson and Burr got the same number of electoral votes, meaning the House of Representatives had to determine which of the two became President (and this is where Hamilton's influence came in). Burr still was Jefferson's Vice President during those 4 years. This led to the passing of the 12th Amendment in 1804, which had electors give one vote to a candidate for President and one for a candidate for Vice President. This wasn't what finally led to the duel between Hamilton and Burr...Burr ran for governor of NY after he was Vice President and that was when Hamilton's rhetoric finally drove him to that point.
Are you planning on also watching all of the Scrapped Songs? If you need a list, here's every single Scapped Song (That I can remember) -This One's Mine (First Version of "Helpless" before getting scrapped completely and reworked) -Valley Forge (Got added into the first half of Stay Alive, But it's still has quite a few new lyrics, and the beat gives it a much DARKER theme) - Mulligans Goodbye (This one is right after "Meet me inside") - No John Trumbull (This one is played right BEFORE the First Cabinet Battle) - Schuyler Defeated Original Version (THIS ONE HAS A LOT MORE LINES, AND IS IMPORTANT TO WATCH FOR CONTEXT FOR THE NEXT SONG) - Let it Go (This one is played right after Schuyler Defeated, and consists on Washington and Eliza trying to convince Hamilton to not kill Burr) -One Last Ride (This one is the original Version of "One Last Time", and while there is quite a few similar lines, it's completely different, as this version is more about Washington and Hamilton discussing the how to stop a rebellion against the "Whiskey Tax". It does however, have the exact same Melody as "One Last Time") -Adams Administration Cut Rap (PLEASE WATCH THIS, I PROMISE YOU, IT'LL MAKE ADAMS ADMINISTRATION BECOME ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE SONGS) - I Have This Friend (This one is played right AFTER "We Know", but is played right BEFORE "Hurricane") -Congratulations (I know you already reacted to this one so we gucci here) -Cabinet Battle 3 (There's a lot of back and forth on when this one takes place, but I think it makes the most sense if it takes place right before the Dear Theodosia reprise) - Dear Theodosia Reprise (This is played Right Before Blow Us All Away. This also gives context to Why Burr is missing from like 10 Songs when he's the Narrator) -Your Obedient Servant, Original Version (THIS VERSION PLAYS INTO A LOT OF THESE SCRAPPED SONGS AND HAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LYRICS, I DEF RECCOMEND CHECKING IT OUT) - 10 Things, 1 Thing (Eventually Replaced with The World was Wide Enough, Sounds the Same at First, but you'll quickly learn that it's different)
@@Tsukiakari-qb3tk Yes, but I didn't add that one because They've already reacted to that and congratulations over on Patreon. The Only Reason I added Congratulations is because I needed one of them to mention them already reacting to it LOL
You might really like to check out the documentary about the making of Hamilton for this section. Some things I remember, Alexander wrote to Eliza that she was the best of wives and best of women in his "duel letter". The 30 years of disagreements is because they have the letters that Burr and Hamilton wrote to set up the duel and Hamilton's are much longer and more wordy than Burr's. The whole cast goes to the museum in New York and talks with the historians. It is really informative. 😏
Burr was Jefferson's Vice President. As pointed out earlier in the show, when Adams was Washington's VP, and Hamilton was being asked to 'go upstate' with Eliza and Angelica, Burr, as Vice President, "doesn't have a real job anyway." So it really doesn't matter much who the VP is. Washington saw increased partisanship coming as evidenced by his warning in his farewell address. By the election of 1800, especially with the candidates now 'openly campaigning,' it's clear that party alliances are going to be a more important thing in US politics than the writers of the Constitution hoped. As result, the structure of elections was changed by the 12th amendment to the constitution, and the VP runs on the ticket as partner to the president.
I haven't seen anyone mention this, but the "best of wives and best of women" was an address Hamilton used at the end of his last letter to her. Also the "just need to write something down" was (going off of some cut songs) the last letter to her in the context of the play.
Someone correct me if this is wrong, but I think the most interesting fact about your obedient servant, is the fact that they each signed off with something like that every time they wrote a letter to each other when they were in the process of preparing for the duel.
@@mangacraz00 it's also a bit of fun irony on both of their parts they hate each other to the bitter core so much that they are willing to duel each other they both have some idea that they could kill the other, but they are formal and respectful with each other (this is probably customary for a duel) and of course duels aren't't usually fatal affairs (I assume there are a lot of people who died during them but it isn't usually the point)
@@vly9257 that makes a lot of sense, and it makes it a bit more hilarious, because these two are slinging mud b back and forth verbally, only to close out the letter as if they're the best of friends and they didn't just spend half their time talking bad about each other.
@stressedandunimpressed you got it. My girl Lila is on her way to play and keep them company. She was the sweetest and always knew how to cheer me up, so I know they'll be great friends.
I think the idea of Hamilton endorsing Jefferson over Burr is a bit like the 'devil you know is better than the devil you don't ' philosophy. With a guy who wears theri beliefs on their sleeve, you know what their limits are. You know what they won't do. Wirh the other type, you have no idea how far that rabbit hole goes.
When Caspwr was asking about Lin's use of triplets, the one that came to mind for me was Jefferson rapping: I'm in the Cabinet, I am complicit/ In watching him grabbing at power and kissin' it/ If Washington ain't gonna listen to disciplined dissendents/ This is the difference, this kid is out! Is that right?
I think an interesting thing that probably also made Burr that mad was that Burr actually DOES have very clear cut beliefs he just never speaks on them. We hear every belief he has in Wait for it and The Room Where it Happens. They feature: •I have to prolong my family’s legacy. •If I deserve it, it will be mine. •”If there’s a reason I’m still alive when so many have died, then I’m willing to wait for it.” •”We don’t get a say in what they trade away.” •”We dream in the dark for the most part.” •We love, break, live, and fall in a life where death and love are guaranteed and that is simply something we have to do. • And others
And how is it anyone else's fault that he doesn't speak his beliefs outloud? His beliefs are that he goes with whoever the winner is. I deserve it is not a belief that is for the good of the country, just himself.
I know yall said that you'd be doing a deep dive on First Burn and Congratuations but you MUST do "Dear Theodosia Reprise" its probs a top for me as its just so emotional and shows that side of Burr we saw in a heartbreaking way.
You should definitely react to what lynn called the hamildrops. They were songs that were part of a larger project from the hamilton mixtape. Songs like Weird Als "Hamilton Polka", The Decemberists "Benjamin Franklin", and "First Burn" featuring 5 Eliza's from various touring companies.
Just want to touch on Jefferson's VP. Burr was indeed his VP after Jefferson's first election and as such Burr was the sitting VP during his duel with Hamilton which obviously becomes a huge political issue. Burr would ultimately never be tried for the duel but it definitely killed his political career. It's during Jefferson's bid for reelection that the VP system we use today was implemented thanks to the 12th Amendment.
"Your Obedient Servant" is my second favorite song (after "Wait For It") because it's Burr finally having enough of Alexander's mistreatment of him. The entire show, we see Alexander belittle, criticize, degrade, and walk all over Burr. The refusal to apologize for the slander was the straw that broke the camel's back.
I feel no pity for Burr, but that's only because I know the real history of him and his BS. Near the end of his life, he married a rich widow as his second wife after the death of Theodosia, and basically spent almost all her money on bad real estate deals. She ended up divorcing him, and the *glorious* karma was that the lawyer she hired to secure her divorce and get her money back from Burr's greedy clutches was Hamilton's second son, Alexander Hamilton, Jr. Burr was left without a wife and without any money, and died alone and broke as he deserved in a boarding house.
I'm glad you're going to check out Congratulations and First Burn, but I'd also heavily recommend two more songs/videos: There's an original version of The World Was Wide Enough called "Ten Things, One Thing" that (spoilers) also gives Hamilton's pov during the actual duel during the count, (PHILLIP MENTION!! T.T) The other one is "Hamilton in 7 minutes" that's done by Range, an acapella group, where they compile the majority of the plot of Hamilton (song form) into 7 minutes of BEAUTIFUL vocals. And there's an animatic of it so you can get some form of Hamilton animatic into your content lol
The old aphorism you're looking for is "moderation in all things" (re your careful politics discussion). I also love the note about getting lost in a great performance. That's peak entertainment! :) (and, yes, Chris Evans playing Loki was very well done too... he can be a better actor than most expect)
Not historically accurate that Hamilton made the choice of who got the Presidency….he did have some influence over people, but this is one of those times the musical took some liberties to further the plot
Hamilton didn't make the choice, but he did write to every single Representative of Congress, as I recall. He steeply swayed everyone. The biggest change in the musical is the fact that Burr was VP for 4 years. The 12th Amendment came about much later on.
I don't know if you have recorded Found/Tonigh, but if not I would recommend the 'March for our Lives' version. It gets copyright struck less and judging a live outside recording is really interesting and shows the quality of both singers.
24:00 Hamilton says "Mr. Vice President" I like to think that that was throwing a little shade saying haha you could have been vice president but youre not imma make fun of you for that, or maybe he just didnt know lol
Also it was cut but Hamilton was actually writing an essay telling the world about the duel so they would know what and who happened if he didn't make it home alive.
The off broadway version of your obedient servant is so good like Burr calling Jefferson an Aristocratic Southern Adversary and the election of 1800 is also good like hamilton saying don't vote Burr
My favorite bit of historical fact, Hamilton’s letters that he leaves for his loved ones include him saying basically, “Burr is pissed. I’m going to this duel, but as an honorable man I am going to throw away my shot. So if Burr shoots me, know that he had no honor.” And that’s why history “paints” Burr as a villain. Everytime you googled Burr BEFORE this play, you’d see painting after painting of the duel, with Hamilton shooting into the air, and Burr gunning him down.
The moment where Burr says "I learned that from you" really harks back to "The room where it happens" when Hamilton takes a page out of Burr's strategies and Burr realizes he has to become more like Hamilton to get what he wants too.
19:06 That opening music sounds like a door creaking then slamming shut. The previous versions of it (the "How does..." motif) always sounded like a door creaking open. Idk the intent behind that detail, but I know it's intentional, because every detail is.
That interaction between Jefferson, Madison, and Burr is almost like a way of condensing 4 years into a few lines, because the duel wasn't until 1804. Jefferson had changed the election rules for Vice Presidents by then. Burr's grievance wasn't the election of 1800, Alexander had apparently slandered Burr, and someone told him about it. Instead of apologizing, Alexander kept telling Burr to specify what insult to apologize for. The pre-duel letters Alexander wrote are infuriatingly arrogant.
So (Half remembering & watching through the block). I don’t think The Bullet is in Your Obedient Servant passing letters. But She IS in the Election of 1800 & I think She is the 1st & last ensemble member to approach Hamilton with a ballet/campaign flyer & ask who he’s voting for. & in the narrative of the show that’s the last straw for Burr. (Also - this is late) but the 2 Women Phillip flirts with before finding Eker (sp) at the theater are The Bullet & his “grandmother” (she’s the one that gets lifted in the opening & Hurricane to be the visual for Hamilton’s mom).
Yes, Mortius, yes, please teach people that penultimate does not mean "better than ultimate". Also, did you notice how Burr's narration always starts with a drum knocking and a door creaking open, and in Your Obediant Servant it's the door creaking closed and then slamming shut?
I'm not sure if it's technically spoilers because the duel in the musical is so different from history, but there was an old documentary (I think history channel, I forget) in which LMM featured talking about the real history of Hamilton. One thing of note is that the pistols that both Hamilton and Phillip used in their duels were rigged to fire quicker. I thought I'd mention it due to the prediction of Burr being possibly underhanded made me think "in real life? it actually was the other way around.
Aw...it's a shame that most of the cut songs will go to patreon... "Dear Theodosia: Reprise" is SUCH an important song for Burr as a character, and I still HATE that they cut it got cut!
Fun fact!!! The bullet actually hands burr his pen in the beginning of your obedient servant!! If you watch closely you can see her handing him his quill!!!😋
I'm pretty sure the "He seems approachable, like you could grab a beer with him" is a joke from the Bush era elections, where a lot of media outlets were pushing candidates based on how likeable they were, and more serious political analysts would get frustrated at/make fun of that approach. The one I remember most was a cartoon showing a Rorschach test labeled "which of these amorphous blobs would you most like to have a beer with?"
Burr was an honorable man. Even in the face of Alexander's slander and disrespect, he wouldn't play dirty. We don't actually know much about how things went down in Weehawken on July 11, 1804. What we do know is both guns were fired, one bullet (Alexander's) hit a tree, and the other hit him. It's possible that Alexander's went off first, and Burr's finger flinched in reaction, accidentally pulling the trigger. It's also not unrealistic to believe Burr genuinely feared for his life. He may not have even meant to fatally shoot Alexander, just prevent him from shooting him. He could've been aiming for a shoulder and missed. We don't even know what happened to the actual bullet, tragically. As morbid as it is, that's the one piece of history I would absolutely love to own.
I've said this in comments before but I've experienced Hamilton and several other musicals now for the first time along with y'all! Again, as always, love and appreciate y'all
Also The show does not really tell the Whole Tale of Burr as VP and that story is So much more "funny" and show how much of a power grabber Burr is When John Adams won the Presidency , Jefferson got the 2nd spot and became a VP and that was horrible for Adams presidency since his VP did stale the senate hearing and did talk against him and it was a problem Thus when Jefferson run for Office his party decided that everyone should Vote Burr as the 2nd option and that Burr would be the VP. and thus the Democratic Republican Party won Both positions BUT since every Democratic-Republican voted for both, they got the same amount of Votes and a Tie in the Votes for Presidency is decided by the Senate which had a Majority of the Federalist (IE opposition party) and they preferred Burr over Jefferson and THAT is what caused Burr to try and get to the Presidency. So AFTER elections were cast because of a Tie he tried to grab the position even though everyone who voted for him wanted him as VP. That is also partly why Hamilton position matters though he was not the pivotal person the show makes him he did come for Jefferson and in the end not enough Federalist Senate were willing to vote Burr and thus after many attempts of a majority Jefferson Won
I know you are only planning to do congratulations and first burn, but is there a chance you could include the extended version of the world is wide enough too.
I wish they do, 10 things 1 thing has some lines I love more than in the final version, the only issue is that the sound quality wasn’t the best from what I remember
The only one I REALLY wanna see is the original writing for Schuyler defeated (Specifically for the interaction between Eliza and Burr, and the "if I were you, I'd stick with her, sir." Line)
One last ride is probably my second favorite cut song just for the absurd “pay yo f-ing taxes” line It’s not often you get to see a genuine reaction to it
The only one I found was Burr asking why he carries the paper along, and Hamilton adding to the list that Burr challenged how he manages his own possessions. 😅
Eliza may have still been in "mourning" re: Peggy's death but it's incorrect that she had just left her funeral. Peggy died in March 1801 & Phillip died nine months later, in November 1801
In an earlier version of Hamilton, off Broadway, they had included Peggy's Funeral. In real life, at the time, people were considered in mourning for a year after a close family member died. Also, I believe Phillip Schuyler died around that time as well. Alexander alludes to Eliza's tradegies in Blow US All Away with "Phillip, your mother can't take another heartbreak"...
@@vly9257I clearly said that she may have still been "in mourning". As a fan of Hamilton, it's annoying that so many people say things as if they are a fact. Being "in mourning" over Peggy, who died nine months earlier, is a lot different than JUST LEAVING her funeral. Phillip Schuyler died three years later, in November 1804.
One thing I wanted to point out: the line from Hamilton to Burr: "You're openly campaigning?"is important for 2 reasons. 1st: no-one had ever campaigned for themselves before. It was seen as unbecoming of a "leader" to push themselves forward for the leadership roles (Jefferson was put forward by Maddison and other political figures). Think back to Washington asking Hamilton to be Treasury Sec "They are asking me to lead, I'm doing the best I can...". So Burr putting himself forward and meeting delegates for his own cause was not the norm. 2nd: Burr places his 'manifesto' into Hamilton's hand that had no real substance. "Don't let them know what you're about or what you're for". What we associate with modern politicians is their ability to flip flop on important issues. Burr not revealing his positions was more dangerous to Hamilton, than someone he disagreed with. Better the devil you know kind of thinking. Hamilton also kept repeating the line "If you stand for nothing, Burr, what will you fall for?" Hamilton knew the types of people who tried to sway the Presidents votes, having served under Washington. Burr was not as experienced or as steadfast as Washington, so who knew where Burr might be lead by whatever Cabinet he created. Just thought it was a very interesting insight in that 1 line. Love these reactions!
Are y'all still planning to go back to the first song so Casper can understand all the pieces he missed about the characters and their introduction lines
spotify absolutely ruined me with my musical playlist earlier today. it gave me stay alive (reprise)- yknow, philips death- and then IMMEDIATELY gave me the whole being dead thing from beetlejuice
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Mortius Uses Gaslighting! It was super effective!
"Here's an itemized list of 30 years of disagreements." = "I'm gonna need you to specify which time I wronged you that you're upset about this time."
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Burr DID become Vice President. He was VP at the time of major events at the end of this show….but the 12th Amendment in 1804 (during Jefferson’s time in office) changed the rules so the POTUS and VP were elected as a slate
Also most of his term was spent on the run for killing Hamilton.
yeah it wasnt a nat1 prediction, more like a 5 or 4
Hamilton actually calls Burr Mr Vice President in this video. It’s at 24:00
What I really love about the beginning of “Election of 1800” is that after the sadness of “It’s Quiet Uptown” Madison is still visibly crying, this the tremble in his voice when Jefferson says “Can we get back to politics?”. Madison saying “Please” is literally begging to change the subject to something less sad.
STOP THAT'S SO SADDD
( 32:11 i haven't fact checked but a comment somewhere said this was put in because they would cry or tear up every time It's Quiet Uptown played. Or just the preceding stuff
"I think Lin Last Name is about to snuff it."
I love how Casper has completely given up trying to get his name right. 😂😂😂
Lin Mandible Marimba
lin mandela matilda
Lin Candle Veranda
his name is Lin Moana Hamilton
Lin sandal durango
It wasn’t just an endorsement for Jefferson, Hamilton personally wrote every representative in Congress persuading them to vote for Jefferson after the electoral college tied
Ooh, Burr would have found that out and been even more angry than the musical shows.
I've seen discussion that Burr telling Hamilton that he'll do anything to get what he wants, and that he learned it from Hamilton, is just such bad timing. Hamilton is still grieving and has finally slowed down and realised what some of his 'doing anything' really cost him, and the Burr comes in doing something that was viewed at the time as brash and ungentlemanly at the very least and is like 'so you inspired me to act like this'. There's a saying that the traits people dislike most in others are the ones that remind them of the bad parts of themselves, and Burr just rocks up and explicitly says it to Hamilton. I often feel sympathy for Burr because I can totally see why the endorsement of Jefferson feels like a slap in the face, especially after so many years of Burr and Hamilton being at least friendly as opposed to Hamilton and Jefferson just fighting, but also for a man who so often hung back to try and read the room he really dropped the ball on that one.
Very right and well-worded! *Claps*
YES, I honestly love Election of 1800 for the line "Jefferson has beliefs, Burr has none." It's such a good roast and a good line and quite literally lead to Hamilton's downfall.
ALSO, I LOVE Burr's entire verse in "Obedient Servant". It just feels so satisfying (especially the "disrespect" line :3)
*beliefs (only commenting because I was so confused initially)
I like this version of the song where Burr is off beat in the beginning because it shows how he is unraveling and losing his composure as compared to Hamilton who is an perfect beat (keeping a level head, not losing control as much). It really shows where both of their heads are at in the moment.
yes!! and is such a great inversion of their characters
You can just see that simmer starting to turn into a boil.
Yeah you're right! The tragedies they've both been through have had very different effects on the two of them. Alexander becomes more resolute, while Aaron completely unravels.
Yeah, I like it more than the on beat. Whenever they break out of the musical aspect, it shows raw character
I feel like they completely changed personalities, switched them from the beginning of the play.
Hamilton learnt how to wait, he threw away his shot, he wanted to stay out of the action.
Burr took every opportunity he could to become higher, his ambition grew and grew.
Hamilton went from someone who told burr 'you get nothing if you wait for it' to having that song quite literally get reprised in hurricane, a somg solely focussed on him and who he is.
"Ask him a question, it glances off, he obfuscates, he dances." Burr would thrive in modern politics, because that describes every single media interview with a politician.
Every time I hear burr's line "I look back at where I failed... and the only common trad has been your disrespect." it just reminds me of a quote from Min Yoongi's Songs "it's crazy to think my success is somehow related to your failure" as a response to burr.
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Casper: He hates his wife
Me: ... no, but he does things that make her hate him-
I thought that was Burr’s second wife. His first one just has health issues and dies in 1794. Burr doesn’t marry again until 1833 and that marriage lasts only 3 years because he only married her for her money.
He definitely doesn't love since he treats her like shit constantly
@@CherryBlossom3x3 Hamilton definitely loves her, and settled into the musical, another thing is that he is a fool who doesn't usually think about the consequences of his actions.
@anniefemmas5097 this is such an accurate read of Hamilton
The Election of 1800 is the one point in history that gets slimmed down the most for the sake of the story of Hamilton, cause it was *so* much more complicated.
For starters, Burr was actually running to be Jefferson's Vice President against John Adams, however, because at the time the President and Vice President were not voted on separate ballots (as you know, the one with the most votes was President and second place was Vice President) there was a tie in the votes between Burr and Jefferson. This made the election go to the House of Representatives where the Federalists realized that, while they can't have Adams, they could at least choose the Democratic Republican president they wanted.
And right when Burr was expected by his party and Jefferson to bow out as was his responsibility since he was *suppose* to be Jefferson's partner on the ticket, he went behind Jefferson's back and started trying to gather votes for himself to become president instead. That's why Hamilton stepped in, because he knew some Federalists were leaning towards Burr and Hamilton couldn't accept that. That's also why Jefferson was so pissed at him, Burr outright betrayed him and the party and schemed to fleece the man he was supposed to be working for out of the Presidency.
Combine that with how in the last election Adams and Jefferson, the leaders of the opposing parties, wound up as President and Vice President and slogged down the Executive Branch, *that* was why it was decided to change how President and Vice President are selected.
Yes. To put it in more parliamentary terms that Casper would understand, Jefferson ran for president as the head of the Democratic-Republicans and Burr was one of the other party leaders. Adams ran as the head of the Federalist Party. Instead of the expected result of Jefferson, Adams, Burr regarding seats in the legislature or Jefferson, Burr, Adams, Jefferson and Burr tied. If Burr was loyal to his party he should have told one or more of his supporters to support Jefferson. Instead, Burr saw the opportunity and tried to persuade the legislature to support him over Jefferson, rebelling against his own political party. That’s why Jefferson was so pissed at Burt. The misery of having a president and a VP who disagreed as much as Jefferson and Adams did plus watching an opportunistic party member try to seize the top job by backstabbing the party leader led to the adoption of the 12th amendment in 1804. It was only in the first 4 elections that the runner up became VP (1788, 1792, 1796, and 1800). After that, it was a slate with a president and VP from the same party. Jefferson won the election of 1804 with George Clinton as his running mate.
"You can't help but feel a bit bad for Burr." You'd be shocked how many people don't feel bad for him at all, Casper. He's the Eurylochus of the show. He started off as the voice of reason for the protagonist, was constantly bypassed by the protagonist, (Odysseus ignored the chain of command and listened to Polites over Eurylochus in "Full Speed Ahead" on how to handle getting food) then made one mistake, and people hated him for it, viewed him as irredeemable.
Well aside from killing Hamilton, Burr also went on to be a con artist. He married a wealthy woman and scammed her of her fortune & Phillip Hamilton II was her divorce lawyer. He also fled to Europe to escape his debts. And spent the rest of his life saying things like, “Me & my friend Alexander, who I shot.”
Interesting take. I disagree completely. I think he's irredeemable regardless of whether or not he shoots or even duels Hamilton. Dude's is practically opportunism personified. He stands for nothing except himself. He'll switch parties, morals, loyalties to whatever benefits him the most, other people be damned. Leslie's performance is mindblowing and the songs are amazing. The character himself is fake, selfish and untrustworthy. I wouldn't put him in charge of the country either. I don't care if he cries about it.
@29:39 That was a Nat 1 - at that time a lady was never made aware of a duel until she was forced to deal with the fallout - they were expected to pretend they never happened.
Oof that's so unfair ;-;
I really like the character writing on Burr and Hamilton, because the greatest strength of one is the biggest weakness of the other and throughout the story they grow right past each other in opposite directions only to end in reversed positions. At the beginning, Hamilton is the one to "not throw away his shot" and ask Burr "what are you waiting for?" while Burr is waiting for the opportune time and telling Hamilton to "talk less". And at the end Hamilton is the one enjoying the "quiet uptown" while Burr is seizing every opportunity. And both fail because they didn't "wait" at a crucial point (Hamilton in "Hurricane" and Burr in the song that's in the next video).
I just really like how those themes were written into these characters and into the story, it's such good writing.
It's perceived that Burr has none, because he's always waiting to see which way the wind blows.
Burrs' "Sweet Jesus..." comes truly straight from his core😂
The “every action as it equal opposite reaction” is back and I still don’t know music terminology so I must say it again, music me brain good (please can someone translate it into actual music terminology)
Same
Do you just mean the motif?Like when something gets repeated as a callback
Might be because his syllables match with the instrumental and are said with the same amount of space between them so it flows well
@@beeshark222 iambic pentameter sounds so good.
@@JaggerG this is trochaic septameter, instead of shakespeare it's edgar allen poe
Hamilton's criticism of Aaron Burr goes back to the beginning of the musical when Hamilton tells Burr that if he doesn't stand for anything, what would you fall for? Not including that Burr was involved in a treasonous plan with France, Spain and England against the Republic just a few years later shows how correct Hamilton's criticism was
Yes. Burr wants to "wait for it," to "sit here and see which way the wind will blow" as he tells us in Non Stop, and this was his pattern all along. He didn't join the Revolution until it was clear he'd be in the minority if he remained a Loyalist; he came out of the Revolution aligned with the Federalist party (same as Hamilton and Washington), but he couldn't gain office there. So he switched parties to be a Democratic Republican (Jefferson's party) so it "put [him] on the up and up again." Openly campaigning was NOT something that candidates usually did, but Burr did it because he was seen as willing to say and/or do anything to get elected. "Ask him questions, he obfuscates (dodges giving an answer); he doesn't want to be pinned down as having a particular stance on any issue because that can alienate voters.
one thing I find oddly appropriate is that - pertaining to Burr's "I was a captain under General Montgomery/Until he caught a bullet in the neck in Quebec" - Burr actually served in Benedict Arnold's force. And the person Congress authorized to oversee the entire endeavor was Major General Philip Schuyler.
Not only is the beginning instrumental for The Election Of 1800 the same motif as Washington On Your Side, the lyrics also mirror it.
Washington On Your Side: "Every action has its equal opposite reaction // Thanks to Hamilton, our cabinet's fractured into factions"
Election of 1800: "Every action has its equal opposite reaction // John Adams shat the bed; I love the guy, but he's in traction"
It's almost like a semi-reprise, if you will
Something to keep in mind about Hamilton's endorsement of Burr, his "Jefferson has beliefs; Burr has none" isn't just "Oh, we don't know what he believes, it's too vague". It's "He's saying whatever will get him elected, he's always played to whatever way the wind blows". He's reiterating that while he disagreed with Jefferson on MANY things, Jefferson was still fighting for the good of the American people. He fought for what he thought was right, out of the belief that he could make things better. The sort of disagreements he had with Hamilton were largely on the bureaucratic side of things, how to handle the structure they were building.
As was said in the video here, Burr just "wanted to be in the room where it happens". He wants to know the secrets, he wants to have a say in how things are done. Someone like that was always going to make decisions about staying in power over whatever was good for the people of the country.
I just have to say, one of my favorite lines of this show is "if you stand for nothing, Burr, what do you fall for?" and it connects directly to "Jefferson has believes, Burr has none", and that's it, since the beginning, nobody knows what really Burr stands for os what would be the things that he would do as president, what lines he would cross...
"H: There's something that you wouldn't do? B: no, I'm chasing what I want", so, to me, makes sense the endorsement tô Jefferson instead of Burr
The high piano notes that play when Burr sings "you call me immoral, a dangerous disgrace." Are the same notes as the "whoa whoa whoa" from My Shot, except they're missing a few notes.
Similar to how Burn is supposed to remind you of Satisfied but it's missing a few notes.
While not a common fav song for most people, Obedient Servant is my favorite Hamilton song hands down. I love all the songs and the more popular ones of course, but something about the beat and raw anger of this song really gets me. I love the simmering rage the compelling rhymes and lyricism. I love it so much
I have always struggled with picking a favorite, but Obedient Servant features everything I love about a musical! A waltz, a duet, someone who's calm and someone who's simmering, about to boil over. Alexander's lines are also finishing off the last of Burr's patience.
11:30 I just noticed the back-and-forth light color changing of red and blue. Lin, you absolute genius.
The Election of 1800 really makes the differences between Hamilton and Burr quite stark. Hamilton was in “the room where it happened” because he had specific things he wanted to accomplish. It wasn’t about his own personal power but shaping the country to be stronger. Burr just wants to be in the room, there isn’t anything he wants to do there, just be in it.
Hamilton and Jefferson were strong political enemies, constantly disagreeing on the paths the young country to take, but Hamilton knew that Jefferson was trying to do what he thought was best for the country even if Hamilton disagreed with Jefferson’s vision. Hamilton knew Jefferson would try to leave America stronger when his presidency was over. Hamilton and Jefferson disagreed politically but Hamilton respected that Jefferson’s convictions were coming from a good place.
Hamilton didn’t know if Burr would do what is best for the country or best for himself and that terrified Hamilton. He’d rather have someone in office with a different view but was trying to make the country stronger than someone out for their own gain.
"Feels like you could have a beer with him"
The reason so many in the audience laugh is because this is taken directly from what people were saying in the Bush vs Kerry election.
"Fair game! Burr wants to talk sheet cake, let me pull out the receipts, you biscuit." This moment was my *favorite* part of the Patreon recording. Thank you, Casper!
"Either left unchecked is wrong." Thank... you. It's like a person's diet. You must maintain balance or all sections of the body are thrown out of whack and nothing gets done.
PS, I love how Nonstop's motif pops up when Aaron comes to Alex's door.
One thing I absolutely love about the introduction to Your Obedient Servant is that if you look at the section introductions through the play, they start with Hamilton 'son of a whore' and then more of his 'negative' background gets dropped in favor of his accomplishments. And now, in this song, we drop back to those roots as an insult and it's like 'how dare someone so lowly go against me.'
The biggest thing they mess up on is the Election of 1800. It wasn't Jefferson vs Burr....technically. The way things were set up the top two electoral vote getters were the President and the Vice President. In an attempt to get both spots be from the same political party, Adams and Jefferson basically had 'running mates', attempting to influence the electors (who cast two votes) into giving one of their votes to each 'running mate' and setting things up so the 'President' candidate would win. However, this backfired because Jefferson and Burr got the same number of electoral votes, meaning the House of Representatives had to determine which of the two became President (and this is where Hamilton's influence came in). Burr still was Jefferson's Vice President during those 4 years. This led to the passing of the 12th Amendment in 1804, which had electors give one vote to a candidate for President and one for a candidate for Vice President.
This wasn't what finally led to the duel between Hamilton and Burr...Burr ran for governor of NY after he was Vice President and that was when Hamilton's rhetoric finally drove him to that point.
NIce explanation of how things worked, thanks!
To be fair to Hamilton on the 30 years of grievances, it was established in We Know that he is a very organized gentleman XD
Are you planning on also watching all of the Scrapped Songs?
If you need a list, here's every single Scapped Song (That I can remember)
-This One's Mine (First Version of "Helpless" before getting scrapped completely and reworked)
-Valley Forge (Got added into the first half of Stay Alive, But it's still has quite a few new lyrics, and the beat gives it a much DARKER theme)
- Mulligans Goodbye (This one is right after "Meet me inside")
- No John Trumbull (This one is played right BEFORE the First Cabinet Battle)
- Schuyler Defeated Original Version (THIS ONE HAS A LOT MORE LINES, AND IS IMPORTANT TO WATCH FOR CONTEXT FOR THE NEXT SONG)
- Let it Go (This one is played right after Schuyler Defeated, and consists on Washington and Eliza trying to convince Hamilton to not kill Burr)
-One Last Ride (This one is the original Version of "One Last Time", and while there is quite a few similar lines, it's completely different, as this version is more about Washington and Hamilton
discussing the how to stop a rebellion against the "Whiskey Tax". It does however, have the exact same Melody as "One Last Time")
-Adams Administration Cut Rap (PLEASE WATCH THIS, I PROMISE YOU, IT'LL MAKE ADAMS ADMINISTRATION BECOME ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE SONGS)
- I Have This Friend (This one is played right AFTER "We Know", but is played right BEFORE "Hurricane")
-Congratulations (I know you already reacted to this one so we gucci here)
-Cabinet Battle 3 (There's a lot of back and forth on when this one takes place, but I think it makes the most sense if it takes place right before the Dear Theodosia reprise)
- Dear Theodosia Reprise (This is played Right Before Blow Us All Away. This also gives context to Why Burr is missing from like 10 Songs when he's the Narrator)
-Your Obedient Servant, Original Version (THIS VERSION PLAYS INTO A LOT OF THESE SCRAPPED SONGS AND HAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LYRICS, I DEF RECCOMEND CHECKING IT OUT)
- 10 Things, 1 Thing (Eventually Replaced with The World was Wide Enough, Sounds the Same at First, but you'll quickly learn that it's different)
Also First Burn is an early version of Burn
@@Tsukiakari-qb3tk Yes, but I didn't add that one because They've already reacted to that and congratulations over on Patreon. The Only Reason I added Congratulations is because I needed one of them to mention them already reacting to it LOL
You might really like to check out the documentary about the making of Hamilton for this section. Some things I remember, Alexander wrote to Eliza that she was the best of wives and best of women in his "duel letter".
The 30 years of disagreements is because they have the letters that Burr and Hamilton wrote to set up the duel and Hamilton's are much longer and more wordy than Burr's.
The whole cast goes to the museum in New York and talks with the historians. It is really informative. 😏
Burr was Jefferson's Vice President. As pointed out earlier in the show, when Adams was Washington's VP, and Hamilton was being asked to 'go upstate' with Eliza and Angelica, Burr, as Vice President, "doesn't have a real job anyway." So it really doesn't matter much who the VP is.
Washington saw increased partisanship coming as evidenced by his warning in his farewell address. By the election of 1800, especially with the candidates now 'openly campaigning,' it's clear that party alliances are going to be a more important thing in US politics than the writers of the Constitution hoped. As result, the structure of elections was changed by the 12th amendment to the constitution, and the VP runs on the ticket as partner to the president.
I haven't seen anyone mention this, but the "best of wives and best of women" was an address Hamilton used at the end of his last letter to her. Also the "just need to write something down" was (going off of some cut songs) the last letter to her in the context of the play.
Someone correct me if this is wrong, but I think the most interesting fact about your obedient servant, is the fact that they each signed off with something like that every time they wrote a letter to each other when they were in the process of preparing for the duel.
Yep! That song, at least in that sign off part, is indeed a historical quote. I love when Lin works in the actual historical words.
@@mangacraz00 it's also a bit of fun irony on both of their parts they hate each other to the bitter core so much that they are willing to duel each other they both have some idea that they could kill the other, but they are formal and respectful with each other (this is probably customary for a duel) and of course duels aren't't usually fatal affairs (I assume there are a lot of people who died during them but it isn't usually the point)
According to the documentary on the making of Hamilton, it was a common way of closing out letters at the time. Similar to "Yours Truely"...
@@vly9257 that makes a lot of sense, and it makes it a bit more hilarious, because these two are slinging mud b back and forth verbally, only to close out the letter as if they're the best of friends and they didn't just spend half their time talking bad about each other.
You guys kept me company on my way to put my dog down. Thank you for the entertaining video as always
I'm so sorry for your loss. If they would like a friend over the rainbow bridge, I can ask mine to keep them company.
Aw I'm so sorry your baby Is definitely on the rainbow bridge! Sending you hugs and love
So sorry for your loss 💕
@@CommodoreCatherine yes please 💜 he was always the best at making friends
@stressedandunimpressed you got it. My girl Lila is on her way to play and keep them company. She was the sweetest and always knew how to cheer me up, so I know they'll be great friends.
I think the idea of Hamilton endorsing Jefferson over Burr is a bit like the 'devil you know is better than the devil you don't ' philosophy. With a guy who wears theri beliefs on their sleeve, you know what their limits are. You know what they won't do. Wirh the other type, you have no idea how far that rabbit hole goes.
I FINALLY get to see Hamilton live on Thursday of next week! Ye have kept me great company in building my excitement for it ❤️❤️
When Caspwr was asking about Lin's use of triplets, the one that came to mind for me was Jefferson rapping:
I'm in the Cabinet, I am complicit/
In watching him grabbing at power and kissin' it/
If Washington ain't gonna listen to disciplined dissendents/
This is the difference, this kid is out!
Is that right?
Fun fact about the new vocab word... the episode prior to this was the "antepenultimate", meaning the last-but-two.
I think an interesting thing that probably also made Burr that mad was that Burr actually DOES have very clear cut beliefs he just never speaks on them. We hear every belief he has in Wait for it and The Room Where it Happens. They feature:
•I have to prolong my family’s legacy.
•If I deserve it, it will be mine.
•”If there’s a reason I’m still alive when so many have died, then I’m willing to wait for it.”
•”We don’t get a say in what they trade away.”
•”We dream in the dark for the most part.”
•We love, break, live, and fall in a life where death and love are guaranteed and that is simply something we have to do.
• And others
Even if he didn't, I'd prefer that over someone who's antithetical to my morals. Alexander screwed him over.
And how is it anyone else's fault that he doesn't speak his beliefs outloud? His beliefs are that he goes with whoever the winner is. I deserve it is not a belief that is for the good of the country, just himself.
I know yall said that you'd be doing a deep dive on First Burn and Congratuations but you MUST do "Dear Theodosia Reprise" its probs a top for me as its just so emotional and shows that side of Burr we saw in a heartbreaking way.
Jefferson has beliefs, Burr has none is the old saying “better the enemy you know”.
Exactly, that's a great point.
[enter 10 duel commandments motif] THERE ARE 10 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT-
Yaaayyyy I love first burn so I’m glad you doing it for us YT ppl
You should definitely react to what lynn called the hamildrops. They were songs that were part of a larger project from the hamilton mixtape. Songs like Weird Als "Hamilton Polka", The Decemberists "Benjamin Franklin", and "First Burn" featuring 5 Eliza's from various touring companies.
17:40 😂😂😂 One line, and Casper's got me considering a change of scenery
Just want to touch on Jefferson's VP. Burr was indeed his VP after Jefferson's first election and as such Burr was the sitting VP during his duel with Hamilton which obviously becomes a huge political issue. Burr would ultimately never be tried for the duel but it definitely killed his political career. It's during Jefferson's bid for reelection that the VP system we use today was implemented thanks to the 12th Amendment.
"Why's your hand so BIIIG???" 😂😂😂😂😂
The trailer I can't
Yessss can't wait!!
Penultimate is also a hard word. 😅 Good job, Casper
"Your Obedient Servant" is my second favorite song (after "Wait For It") because it's Burr finally having enough of Alexander's mistreatment of him. The entire show, we see Alexander belittle, criticize, degrade, and walk all over Burr. The refusal to apologize for the slander was the straw that broke the camel's back.
You gotta watch the og 10 things one thing after you are done, its homestly better at explaining the end than the final song
I feel no pity for Burr, but that's only because I know the real history of him and his BS. Near the end of his life, he married a rich widow as his second wife after the death of Theodosia, and basically spent almost all her money on bad real estate deals. She ended up divorcing him, and the *glorious* karma was that the lawyer she hired to secure her divorce and get her money back from Burr's greedy clutches was Hamilton's second son, Alexander Hamilton, Jr. Burr was left without a wife and without any money, and died alone and broke as he deserved in a boarding house.
I'm glad you're going to check out Congratulations and First Burn, but I'd also heavily recommend two more songs/videos: There's an original version of The World Was Wide Enough called "Ten Things, One Thing" that (spoilers) also gives Hamilton's pov during the actual duel during the count, (PHILLIP MENTION!! T.T)
The other one is "Hamilton in 7 minutes" that's done by Range, an acapella group, where they compile the majority of the plot of Hamilton (song form) into 7 minutes of BEAUTIFUL vocals. And there's an animatic of it so you can get some form of Hamilton animatic into your content lol
The old aphorism you're looking for is "moderation in all things" (re your careful politics discussion). I also love the note about getting lost in a great performance. That's peak entertainment! :) (and, yes, Chris Evans playing Loki was very well done too... he can be a better actor than most expect)
Not historically accurate that Hamilton made the choice of who got the Presidency….he did have some influence over people, but this is one of those times the musical took some liberties to further the plot
True but it is accurate in the way that Burr who is the narrator felt about the situation.
Hamilton didn't make the choice, but he did write to every single Representative of Congress, as I recall. He steeply swayed everyone. The biggest change in the musical is the fact that Burr was VP for 4 years. The 12th Amendment came about much later on.
Now we just need an A. Ger and we'll have a hamburger!
Lol, can you imagine if they shoehorned Elbridge Gerry into the show somehow, just so they could make a hamburger pun?
I don't know if you have recorded Found/Tonigh, but if not I would recommend the 'March for our Lives' version. It gets copyright struck less and judging a live outside recording is really interesting and shows the quality of both singers.
I love the pro shot of burr its him thinking out loud and pissed off
24:00 Hamilton says "Mr. Vice President" I like to think that that was throwing a little shade saying haha you could have been vice president but youre not imma make fun of you for that, or maybe he just didnt know lol
No, he WAS the VP.
Also it was cut but Hamilton was actually writing an essay telling the world about the duel so they would know what and who happened if he didn't make it home alive.
really dreading the next episode, the end of Hamilton always makes me cry :(
The off broadway version of your obedient servant is so good like Burr calling Jefferson an Aristocratic Southern Adversary and the election of 1800 is also good like hamilton saying don't vote Burr
My favorite bit of historical fact, Hamilton’s letters that he leaves for his loved ones include him saying basically, “Burr is pissed. I’m going to this duel, but as an honorable man I am going to throw away my shot. So if Burr shoots me, know that he had no honor.” And that’s why history “paints” Burr as a villain. Everytime you googled Burr BEFORE this play, you’d see painting after painting of the duel, with Hamilton shooting into the air, and Burr gunning him down.
The moment where Burr says "I learned that from you" really harks back to "The room where it happens" when Hamilton takes a page out of Burr's strategies and Burr realizes he has to become more like Hamilton to get what he wants too.
19:06 That opening music sounds like a door creaking then slamming shut. The previous versions of it (the "How does..." motif) always sounded like a door creaking open. Idk the intent behind that detail, but I know it's intentional, because every detail is.
That interaction between Jefferson, Madison, and Burr is almost like a way of condensing 4 years into a few lines, because the duel wasn't until 1804. Jefferson had changed the election rules for Vice Presidents by then. Burr's grievance wasn't the election of 1800, Alexander had apparently slandered Burr, and someone told him about it. Instead of apologizing, Alexander kept telling Burr to specify what insult to apologize for. The pre-duel letters Alexander wrote are infuriatingly arrogant.
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The last song in this musical is my favorite to be honest.
So (Half remembering & watching through the block).
I don’t think The Bullet is in Your Obedient Servant passing letters. But She IS in the Election of 1800 & I think She is the 1st & last ensemble member to approach Hamilton with a ballet/campaign flyer & ask who he’s voting for.
& in the narrative of the show that’s the last straw for Burr.
(Also - this is late) but the 2 Women Phillip flirts with before finding Eker (sp) at the theater are The Bullet & his “grandmother” (she’s the one that gets lifted in the opening & Hurricane to be the visual for Hamilton’s mom).
Once you finish, you should show Casper the cut songs like Congratulations and Dear Theodosia (Reprise)
Love the end ❤😅
23:08 he almost let the demons out 😭
Yes, Mortius, yes, please teach people that penultimate does not mean "better than ultimate".
Also, did you notice how Burr's narration always starts with a drum knocking and a door creaking open, and in Your Obediant Servant it's the door creaking closed and then slamming shut?
Seen on patreon but are desperate to see the edits club !! ❤❤❤
Ya’ll should check out Burr A new musical.
I'm not sure if it's technically spoilers because the duel in the musical is so different from history, but there was an old documentary (I think history channel, I forget) in which LMM featured talking about the real history of Hamilton. One thing of note is that the pistols that both Hamilton and Phillip used in their duels were rigged to fire quicker. I thought I'd mention it due to the prediction of Burr being possibly underhanded made me think "in real life? it actually was the other way around.
Aw...it's a shame that most of the cut songs will go to patreon...
"Dear Theodosia: Reprise" is SUCH an important song for Burr as a character, and I still HATE that they cut it got cut!
Fun fact!!! The bullet actually hands burr his pen in the beginning of your obedient servant!! If you watch closely you can see her handing him his quill!!!😋
The president and VP situation changed after Lincoln
I'm pretty sure the "He seems approachable, like you could grab a beer with him" is a joke from the Bush era elections, where a lot of media outlets were pushing candidates based on how likeable they were, and more serious political analysts would get frustrated at/make fun of that approach.
The one I remember most was a cartoon showing a Rorschach test labeled "which of these amorphous blobs would you most like to have a beer with?"
Caught up just in time to wait a week 😭
Burr was an honorable man. Even in the face of Alexander's slander and disrespect, he wouldn't play dirty. We don't actually know much about how things went down in Weehawken on July 11, 1804. What we do know is both guns were fired, one bullet (Alexander's) hit a tree, and the other hit him. It's possible that Alexander's went off first, and Burr's finger flinched in reaction, accidentally pulling the trigger. It's also not unrealistic to believe Burr genuinely feared for his life. He may not have even meant to fatally shoot Alexander, just prevent him from shooting him. He could've been aiming for a shoulder and missed. We don't even know what happened to the actual bullet, tragically. As morbid as it is, that's the one piece of history I would absolutely love to own.
Am I the only one who’s sound for this video goes in and out?
Me too
15:58 The idea is that opposing values can mediate each other.
I've said this in comments before but I've experienced Hamilton and several other musicals now for the first time along with y'all! Again, as always, love and appreciate y'all
As an American who lived in Denmark I miss it.
Also The show does not really tell the Whole Tale of Burr as VP and that story is So much more "funny" and show how much of a power grabber Burr is
When John Adams won the Presidency , Jefferson got the 2nd spot and became a VP and that was horrible for Adams presidency since his VP did stale the senate hearing and did talk against him and it was a problem
Thus when Jefferson run for Office his party decided that everyone should Vote Burr as the 2nd option and that Burr would be the VP.
and thus the Democratic Republican Party won Both positions
BUT since every Democratic-Republican voted for both, they got the same amount of Votes
and a Tie in the Votes for Presidency is decided by the Senate which had a Majority of the Federalist (IE opposition party) and they preferred Burr over Jefferson
and THAT is what caused Burr to try and get to the Presidency.
So AFTER elections were cast because of a Tie he tried to grab the position even though everyone who voted for him wanted him as VP.
That is also partly why Hamilton position matters though he was not the pivotal person the show makes him he did come for Jefferson and in the end not enough Federalist Senate were willing to vote Burr and thus after many attempts of a majority Jefferson Won
I know you are only planning to do congratulations and first burn, but is there a chance you could include the extended version of the world is wide enough too.
I wish they do, 10 things 1 thing has some lines I love more than in the final version, the only issue is that the sound quality wasn’t the best from what I remember
The only one I REALLY wanna see is the original writing for Schuyler defeated
(Specifically for the interaction between Eliza and Burr, and the "if I were you, I'd stick with her, sir." Line)
But like, dear theodosia reprise tho.
@@TR5_BLOX YESS
One last ride is probably my second favorite cut song just for the absurd “pay yo f-ing taxes” line
It’s not often you get to see a genuine reaction to it
24:51 I am going on a hunt to find this. 😂😂😂
The only one I found was Burr asking why he carries the paper along, and Hamilton adding to the list that Burr challenged how he manages his own possessions. 😅
Eliza may have still been in "mourning" re: Peggy's death but it's incorrect that she had just left her funeral.
Peggy died in March 1801 & Phillip died nine months later, in November 1801
In an earlier version of Hamilton, off Broadway, they had included Peggy's Funeral. In real life, at the time, people were considered in mourning for a year after a close family member died. Also, I believe Phillip Schuyler died around that time as well.
Alexander alludes to Eliza's tradegies in Blow US All Away with "Phillip, your mother can't take another heartbreak"...
@@vly9257I clearly said that she may have still been "in mourning".
As a fan of Hamilton, it's annoying that so many people say things as if they are a fact. Being "in mourning" over Peggy, who died nine months earlier, is a lot different than JUST LEAVING her funeral.
Phillip Schuyler died three years later, in November 1804.
One thing I wanted to point out: the line from Hamilton to Burr: "You're openly campaigning?"is important for 2 reasons.
1st: no-one had ever campaigned for themselves before. It was seen as unbecoming of a "leader" to push themselves forward for the leadership roles (Jefferson was put forward by Maddison and other political figures). Think back to Washington asking Hamilton to be Treasury Sec "They are asking me to lead, I'm doing the best I can...". So Burr putting himself forward and meeting delegates for his own cause was not the norm.
2nd: Burr places his 'manifesto' into Hamilton's hand that had no real substance. "Don't let them know what you're about or what you're for". What we associate with modern politicians is their ability to flip flop on important issues. Burr not revealing his positions was more dangerous to Hamilton, than someone he disagreed with. Better the devil you know kind of thinking. Hamilton also kept repeating the line "If you stand for nothing, Burr, what will you fall for?" Hamilton knew the types of people who tried to sway the Presidents votes, having served under Washington. Burr was not as experienced or as steadfast as Washington, so who knew where Burr might be lead by whatever Cabinet he created.
Just thought it was a very interesting insight in that 1 line.
Love these reactions!
Are y'all still planning to go back to the first song so Casper can understand all the pieces he missed about the characters and their introduction lines
spotify absolutely ruined me with my musical playlist earlier today. it gave me stay alive (reprise)- yknow, philips death- and then IMMEDIATELY gave me the whole being dead thing from beetlejuice
Damn. Casper hit a home run with that last prediction. the hell is this witchcraft man?
Can someone donate to the “I wanna see them react to all the cut songs so I need money for their patreon” charity?