Are we also gonna get a reaction to 10 things 1 thing? It’s the original version of the world was wide enough and has a bunch of differences from the final version since we get to see Alexander’s pov while he gets ready for the dual.
Have you considered the Hamilton Polka by Weird Al (The on he dropped on TH-cam after the D+ release)? I think it would be fun to watch Casper’s head explode…. (Also, for a non Hamilton reaction could I suggest Come From Away. Apple TV has the pro shoot)
The only constant in this world is that whenever someone reacts to stay alive reprise almost every single Hamilton fan will say “not so fun fact, Eliza was wearing black because she was coming back from Peggy’s funerals”
Another "fun" fact: Philip died at the age of 19. There are 19 songs between his birth (Dear Theodosia) and his death (Stay Alive reprise). LMM is a freaking genius.
The fact that they had him literally flirting with death and saying that later he would get intimately familiar with her is such a clever touch (I know it's the bullet but still he said he wanted to strip down to his socks with her, that's an interesting thing I've heard noted) edit: this got a lot more traction than I expected it to, so thank you to everyone who left a like on it, thank you all and have a great day!
@@secretyidentity2833 yeah sorry I was trying to find a polite way to put it, he did tell this shows literal representation of death that he wanted to strip down to his socks with her, if that's not intimately familiar, then I don't know what it is (and believe me I don't know what is, but that seems pretty damn close) and, in a manner of speaking he would later get intimately familiar with death (okay I'll see myself out now)
Dear Theodosia is extra sad, because both fathers outlive the children they were singing about. Burr outlived all of his children. Theodosia was lost at sea at only 29 years old. None of his other children lived to be adults.
I actually found that out from a Jeopardy clue. 😅 I heard enough info to think the lady lost at sea in question could be Theodosia, was able to guess Aaron Burr, and was right.
Now that we’ve seen Phillip’s fate, I wanted to point out some of the genius in Miranda’s lyricism. In the first song, there were four lines from characters declaring their relationships with Hamilton. Now, we can realize that three of the lines had double meanings. These lines were: “We fought with him.” Lafayette and Mulligan fought alongside him, while Jefferson and Madison… fought him. “Me? I died for him.” Laurens died fighting for his ideals, while Phillip died defending his honor. “Me? I loved him.” Eliza was his wife, Angelica and Peggy were his sisters-in-law, and Maria made love to him. (Notice the use of “Me” instead of “We.”) With this, we realize that each double-cast member is performing in their capacity as both characters that they play, and thus, EVERY major character (besides the King, who has no actual relationship with Hamilton) is present in the intro laying out the story. Oh, and George Eacker had little other impact on American history after the duel because he died of tuberculosis less than three years later.
@Tails If we mate talking about the musical than yes, if we’re talking about real history than not really as in the real duel after the ten count Philip and George both just stood there without shooting for about a minute (according to their seconds) and Philip raised his gun then Eaker shot him. Ask Eaker I kept got the illness after one night in the winter when he went out to help put out a house fire and got very sick. He frequently got ill afterwards and then passed away after it became tuberculosis.
Philip's death hit his younger sister the hardest of all his family. Angelica Hamilton was very close to Philip, and when he died, she had a complete psychological collapse that lasted for the rest of her life. She mentally reverted to childhood and always still believed Philip was still alive. When Eliza became too old to take care of her herself, Angelica went to live with her doctor until she died aged 72.
Phillipa Soo mentions in an interview that one of the few times she was ever thrown off in the live performance was when they were doing a show for the high schoolers. When Phillip dies, the teenaged girls in the audience screamed before she could... 😏 The high schoolers were there as part of there program with the local schools in the NYC area. The kids would write songs, scenes, or raps about history and come to their theater to perform them for the cast, then the cast would treat them to a performance of Hamilton. So cool... 😊
I'll be the color theory person -In the beginning of the musical, Hamilton and his friends are wearing brown as Hamilton is a very poor man trying to make a name for himself Burr is in purple, a very dark purple, but still purple. It's to represent his prestige, as the prodigy of this college but very subtly -Then they all change to revolutionary blue for the war, the opposite of Britain's Redcoats -The sisters are wearing very bright colors, because they can afford the expensive dyes. Angelica in an orange, because she's very fiery, and Eliza in a blue, because she's very calm and demure. Peggy is in yellow I think because she's a very bubbly person, historical -Then Hamilton changes to green. He is the Secretary of the Treasury, green like his money. But also green with envy, he wants the power and influence Jefferson has -Madison is in a powder blue jacket, but if you notice he has orange on the inside. Madison is always described as very sickly on the outside but he is very passionate on the inside -Mariah is in this very lustful red dress, clearly reinforcing her sex appeal is on full display, but it's red like blood as well. Like she is a wound inflicted on Alexander and his family -Jefferson wears a bombastic pinky purple coat. He is the most out there in terms of political belief and is openly showing it off. The purple, as I mentioned before, represents the prestige that Jefferson carries with him. He wrote the declaration of independence, he's a very important figure. Later, Jefferson changes into brown, because he's trying to mellow out to win the presidency -Burr also seems to be in a much darker coat in act two, representing how his thoughts and ideals are kind of darkening and becoming more intense -Philip only has a powder blue vest, to represent his mom but he covers it up with his coat to kind of represent his backing away from the ideals his mom taught him, but they're still there -Hamilton ends the show in all black, his green vest only making an appearance in the election of 1800 to represent that he's still the money man, to show his morning of his son and his own death Eliza ends in a white gown with blue undertone to represent how motherly, heavenly, and pure she becomes at the end of the musical
There's also white. Ensemble is in whites, Hamilton at the very beginning. I've read somewhere that this represents "ghosts" ot someone that is not really there. So Hamilton at the beginning, because he's "not part of" the american history yet, then he changes into the brown coat to signify that that's the beginning of him kind of "existing". I think Laurens is in white in his interlude etc
Lin-Manuel has said that the use of Eliza's words indicates that for a guy with so many words, Hamilton is so broken by Phillip's death has just left him speechless, and the only thing he can do is reflect Eliza's words back to her. And here I was knowing what's covered in these songs thinking I could get through them with all the pausing/deconstructions/conversations without crying. NOPE.
In Non-Stop, Alex does sing "Look around at how Lucky we are to be alive right now" in a dick-move to get Eliza to be ok with him running off with Washington to run the Treasury... 😑
15:32 sad fact: ya notice how Philip mentioned forgetting what Eliza taught him? That’s in reference to the counting scene in “take a break”. He thought he miscounted.
Oh no, I never thought about it in that way TwT I only knew the musical theory behind it... After the number 7 Elisa takes the low/"grounded" notes, but Philip still goes higher while counting, like he wants to do something greater, something as or more impressive than his father. So he "forgot" that the family he has "would be enough", he forgot that he doesn't need to do something outstanding. Sorry, I really badly explained it, but Howard Ho made a really awesome video on it!
@@ladabeg nah I get what you mean, I think I’ve seen that. With Philip wanting to fly higher like his dad compared to his mom’s careful low tones, which ultimately screw over both the Hamilton men by flying too close to the sun (classic Icarus)
History facts (correct me if I'm wrong, also maybe spoilers): In history, I'm not sure if this actually happened, but george didn't shoot on 7. They waited, but when Phillip started to raise his gun, he panicked and shot him, george died a few years later due to his alcohol addiction, and he would apologize over and over for killing Phillip. Also, the gun wasn't Alexander's it was Eliza's fathers gun that was passed down as a wedding gift. And Alexander used it in his own duel against Burr. Eliza was wearing the all black dress as a show of mourning her either sister's death, which she had just come from the funeral or something. Angelica had to move in with hamilton and eliza, I think she kinda went crazy when she heard about Phillips' death. Correction it was Alexander's daughter named Angelica
From what i've heard, the whole thing about philip being shot on 7 came from eliza teaching him to count to 10 in order to calm himself down. While he was raising the gun, he apparently started counting to himself, and was at 7 when eacker shot him. (Take this with a grain of salt as well, i have no idea if it's actually true but it's sad to think about regardless :
We, musical fans, are kind of a psychotic bunch. "That was awful!" "YES, it is awful...(smiles like the cat that got the canary) and isn't that great???"
The only words she sings in this song are, "It's quiet uptown." And in the tune of That Would Be Enough. And. the first unimaginable thing is losing a child. Because we have words for children who lose parents, and people who lose spouses. But not parents who lose children, it's so against the natural order of things.
I’m actually glad it’s left out. Little extras, like the Gasp at the end of the play, or the Bullet getting done in between You’ll Be Back and Right Hand Man, keep the movie recording special.
I can agree the scream adds so much, but IMO it's one of the reasons to watch it rather than just listen to the soundtrack. I still remember the first time I got to watch it live the Laurens' death scene and Phillip's death scene were such an emotional punch that I did not see coming so I get why they left it out of the recordings
The reason Phillip says "I'm so sorry for forgetting what you taught me" is in reference to take a break where she is teaching him how to count. He thought he miscounted, but no George eaker just cant count. But this is just a theory.... A musical theory.
I don’t know if anyone’s said this, but Hamilton’s line “you did everything just right” is so gut wrenching because it’s the same melody as Washington’s “I make every mistake” in History has it’s Eye on You. Washington made all the mistakes and still lived. Philip did every right and died. It’s so tragic!!!!
I don't know what Casper said but it looked like he was describing how he wanted to tear George Eacker apart slowly to pay for his crimes. Also fun fact when philip says "I'm so sorry for forgetting what you taught me" it's because Eliza taught him how to count and he thinks he's the one who messed up the counting in the duel, not George Eaker :D
Fun fact, Mr. Eaker didn’t shoot early, and Philip didn’t aim to the sky. Once the counting was done, Philip would not raise his gun, confusing Eaker. After a whole minute of standing there, they both raised their guns and Eaker shot Philip. Philip also fired but it was probably an accident due to a muscle spasm from being shot. Hamilton isn’t perfect at telling the story and I would recommend everyone watch a video called “the inaccuracies of Hamilton”
In my opinion, the absolute most powerful line in the whole musical is, “Forgiveness. Can you imagine?” It truly is a grace to powerful to name, in the antique sense of the word. Eliza gives Alexander a gift that he can never repay and which he does not deserve, simply because she is that good of a person: forgiveness. Can you imagine?
Fun fact, before walkie talkies, stagehands would whistle to each other to signal changes on set. Actors weren't allowed to whistle because the stagehands could pull the levers at the wrong time and could kill them. Aka, Phillip whistling on stage was him also calling his death.
Not so fun fact the line "blow us all away" was not only in references to the expansion of their fathers but also to their deaths. Philp to the shot, and Theodosia to a storm at see.
There is an interview with Renee Elise Goldsberry that Mortius needs to see. She is talking about how in Satisfied, Angelica basically gives Alexander to her sister and from that point on becomes their 'observer' or something like that. It is so close to what Mortius says. I believe it is during an appearance on Live with Kelly Ripa and whomever she is hosting with at the time... if I can find the link I will post it in a reply.
"It's Quiet Uptown" only really hit me when it got to the "forgiveness" part. It's just this sudden turn of what "the unimagibable" means in the song, from the greatest loss Hamilton had to face the greatest gift anyone could have given him at that time. The unimaginable grief and the unimaginable willingness of Eliza to give him a second chance. And like you said, the beginning just has you feeling empty after Phillips death, but the second Elizs takes Hamiltons hand it turns to a feeling of relief and gives room to grief and healing. Maybe relief isn't the right word, maybe it's just the realization that, even though horrible things happen to people that don't deserve it because life just isn't fair, that also means that people who don't deserve it can get a second chance. It's a hard feeling to describe, this song has a mix of grief, longing, hope and healing in it. Emotionally probably the best written song in the entire musical.
16:59 I don’t know why but saying “Rest in Peace, Philip Schuyler” just made it feel even more heartbreaking but also kind of sweet- probably it feels like it pays more homage to everything Eliza has been through and her pain in losing her son. I know it was probably just a slip of the tongue (and strictly speaking is wishing peace to his grandfather) but I don’t know it just kind of works somehow.
Philip Hamilton refused to raise his pistol to fire after he and Eacker had counted ten paces and faced each other, following his father's instructions to reserve his fire. Eacker, determined to fire second, did not shoot. After a minute, Eacker finally raised his pistol, and Hamilton did the same. Eacker shot and struck Philip above his right hip. The bullet went through his body and lodged in his left arm. In what may have been an involuntary spasm, Hamilton fired his pistol in the air. In a letter to Rufus King, Robert Troup wrote of Alexander Hamilton, "Never did I see a man so completely overwhelmed with grief as Hamilton had been." Nevertheless, he was said to be civil and professional in his later relationship with Eacker
25:25 It's actually really interesting to me that for you this a song you don't cry so much at. Cause for me that's the song I cry the most at. Grief hits hard
As many likely have said, the real story of George Eaker and Philip Hamilton's duel is a bit different from what Hamilton shows. Hamilton, likely for the sake of the story, fudges a lot of details. For instance, Eaker didn't shoot Philip during the count. After the count, rather than raising his gun to shoot, he just sort of stood there confusing Eaker until he moved to raise his gun possibly to the surrendering gesture but he freaked out Eaker in the process and got shot. After Philip's death, its said that Hamilton was so wrecked that he couldn't even stand at his son's funeral, having to be raised up by his friends to even see his son off. Meanwhile, Philip's sister, Angelica (yes named for her aunt) had a mental breakdown that resulted in her spending the rest of her life in need of constant care. Philip was adored by *everyone* .
Sad details in stay alive: Philip apologizes for forgetting what Eliza taught him (counting) because Eaker shot on 7 but Philip thought he miscounted. Also Philip stops counting in French at 7.
I get that way, too, and it's also the right song for me when I'm particularly angry with my partner, so that I can channel Eliza's forgiveness. Hope you can get the support you need.
Howard Ho mentions in his video about this (if memory serves) that when they play piano together when Philip was a child, that after the count of seven he changes the melody Eliza gives him. Eliza ends on a “safe” note whilst Philip ends on an “unsecured” or more “adventurous” note. After the count of seven he gets shot, their lives part ways and he cannot follow her home. This is not word for word, but it is essentially the sentiment.
This is something I've read somewhere, but the line "there are sufferings too terrible to name" can refer to the fact that, while there's a name for people who lost their spouse (widow/widower) and people who lost their parents (orphan), there's no name for parents who lost their child, because the idea of outliving your children is something no loving parent wants to think about and hopes for
I love how when Philip is flirting with the girls THE BULLET TOUCHES HIM. Regarding the coat colours: I’m not aware of what it means, but costume design is very intentional, so I can’t imagine it doesn’t mean anything. Also the beige outfits the ensemble wears are referred to as “parchment”, so the colours worn over that base layer would be the ink, the writing put onto that blank parchment.
10:15 lol you make him younger each time ...oh...oh my gosh I've never checked, unlike the letters with Angelica. 1-10, they turned. And _neither_ shot. Philip wouldn't raise his pistols so Eacker _did_ follow suit and not raise either. They just stood there for a minute, and then Eacker raised his pistol, so Philip raised his. Eacker shot Philip, Philip shot in the air as maybe a flinch/spasm His younger sister (an Angelica) lost her mind and Alexander could hardly stand at the burial 25:05 Apparently a friend wrote that he had never seen "a man so completely overwhelmed with grief"
One of my favorite fun facts about Hamilton is that Lin did a lot of the writing at the house Alexander and Eliza moved into after Philip’s death. Lin gave a really great interview about Hamilton for Sirius XM On Broadway. In the interview he talked a lot about the writing process.
Oh no, this is one of the strongest marriages in history, Eliza stayed with him after he publicized his affair, and continued to have his children, they totally moved on from the whole thing, with no visible break between them as far as we can tell(there were never any letters in the two that alluded to the affair or any resentment on her part, she remained his loving wife and as far as we know he remained faithful to her as well, knowing Hamilton if this ever happened again he probably would have publicized it again)
It's almost like the historical and cultural context at the time made it impossible for women to leave their husbands (even cheaters and abusers) and still have a dignified and happy life afterwards. No shit she stayed with him, Maria stayed with her husband for years too, but sure, try to romanticize the cruel reality women were subjected to in past.
@@secretyidentity2833 hey I wanted to avoid saying the thing, but if she actually hated him so bad she wouldn't have spoken so highly of him after he died, if she hated him she could have easily said so, but as far as we can tell she never had a negative word to say about him, I get it at the time wouldn't have allowed for a divorce but again she never showed a hint of resentment even after she could have spoken about her resentments(it's not really me romanticizing it, it's me stating the exact way that she felt, if anything she romanticized him after his death, she made it her life's work to do everything she could to portray him in a positive light, she hated the people he hated till the day she died, if she at all felt trapped in this relationship she would have spoken her mind the instant he died, and if not the instant he died it would have come out over the 50 plus years she was alive after him)
@@voidfloof I feel in no way qualified to comment on that perspective, because even the source material for this musical doesn't go with that perspective (he mentions in the opening of the book that she seemed like she had burned some letters, because she was self-deprecating, and that's literally all chernow has to say on the matter) so I won't dispute the possibility,, I will just leave it where it is, I didn't mean to make anyone mad when I made this, comment, I just felt confident that the relationship wasn't awful based on the fact that Eliza literally had 50 years as a separate person from Hamilton but she still never spoke a bad word about him, and tried to make sure his name was immortalized in the best way possible, so I'm trying to look at this in a positive light, obviously that's not for everyone but I I personally feel like these actions would indicate a decent marriage at the very least?
@@dragansnyder2786 yeah, cause her life would be so good if, after the death of one of the most important man in the creation of the US, she started "talking bad abt him" also, as a woman, who the hell was she gonna talk bad abt him TO? Who would listen or even care abt what she had to say, ppl barely cared when she was singing his praises non-stop for YEARS, to the point it has taken this play for ppl to even listen to her story (alexander being an immigrant from South America instead of white british europe also played a part in it) And yes, it is romanticizing, there are many women to this day who live in abusive and/or toxic relationships with cheating spouses and don't a say a damn word abt it to anyone and many more throughout history that lived their entire lives in suffuring silence bc no one would want to listen to them or care abt their situations. Not having RECORD of her feeling resentment or hatred towards her cheating husband does mean the feeling did not exist, and bc WE DO KNOW the cultural and historical reality that would lead to the lack of these records it IS romanticizing history to say "they had one of the strongest marriages in history" when their story and the lack of records of "bad fellings" is literally no different than a vast portion of women at the time, give me a fucking break, if that's what a strong marriage is "the appearence of dedication, stability and respect" lets honestly just abolish divorce alltogether and bring back in full force the culture of any woman without a husband is a disgrace, then we can all have long lasting strong marriages like theirs.
As someone who studied fashion design I feel ashamed that I just formed this theory watching you guys considering the colour theory of the costumes. But I just realized, Eliza starts in blue, Angelica is yellow, for the longest time Alexanders colour is green - the middle between blue and yellow. In act 2 when Alexander is pretty much on top, Elizas dress is green. And then everything falls apart and her dress is back to her colour blue - and so is Alexanders! Now there are a lot of ways to interpret that, and I already have several Interpretations in my head that are all plausible to me, but honestly I never even considered that until they talked about the colour theories in this video...
found this on imdb... but didn't crosscheck. "Philip took his father's advice, and refused to raise his pistol to fire after he and Eacker had counted ten paces and faced each other. Eacker, following suit, did not shoot either. For the first minute, both men stood, doing nothing, both refusing to shoot. After a minute, Eacker finally raised his pistol, and Philip did the same. Eacker shot and struck Philip above his right hip. The bullet went through his body and lodged in his left arm. In what may have been an involuntary spasm, Philip also fired his pistol before he hit the ground, but this bullet did nothing."
For the record, the real life duel between Philip and Eacker, Eacker did not actually shoot before ten. (According to a quick google search, grain of salt as always.) Instead, Philip refused to raise his pistol, as did Eacker. They stood there facing each other for a full minute before both raised their pistols and Eacker won. I *think* Philip was maybe going to aim for the sky but he was shot before then and ended up firing his bullet anyways. Regardless he still didn’t hit Eacker so the outcome was the same.
I absolutely lost it while watching this song at the theatre and when Angelica sings “ Forgiveness”I literally sobbed out loud and continued crying for the rest of the play.This is one of the best musicals of all time in many ways. It got me through Covid and the isolation we all experienced.Lin Manuel Miranda is genius.Thanks for your sensitive analysis.gents.
_It's_Quiet_Uptown_ always hits me hard because I grew up having lost my older sister when I was quite young. Even when neither parent bears any guilt, it changes the whole family. Everything is both more precious and harder to go through without the child.
19:03 The first song: Daveed and Okieriete (Lafayette/ Jefferson and Mulligan/Madison ) says: "WE fought with him." Coz both roles Fought WITH him as they're comrades in arms And FOUGHT with him as they were on opposite political parties And Ramos (Lawrence/phillip) says, "me? I died for him" Coz he died as someone hamilton loves dearly for both roles Just blew my mind out of the water. I remembered the first time i made this connection, I was in a bus heading to work. I couldn't talk to anyone about it as hamilton was JUST starting to come out and no one understood what I was rambling about (i live in a 3rd world country. Musicals were considered not for the masses)
One of my favorite pieces of trivia for "Quiet Uptown" is that in the mixtape, Kelly Clarkson sings this song while she is within a week of giving birth. It gives that song a power that is mind blowing.
Others have said about Eacker not shooting on 7 so I won't repeat the whole story, I'll focus on another detail in that song. You know how I said in the comments a while ago that I knew for certain that Peggy was still alive? The reason I know is because of Eliza's black dress in Stay Alive (reprise): I've been told that she was still wearing black for Peggy, who died within the year, when Philip got shot. (I know everybody and their bullet wrote about this already but I promised I would talk about this back in the comments to the other video and so I did.) BTW, another thing I left in half to avoid spoilers was that pistols and microphones are from the same case, and the music of Cabinet Battles is a remix of the dueling countdown / French counting song. The show draws a lot of parallels between verbal and physical duels. That said, seeing Mortius melt down during the first part of It's Quiet Uptown feels so personal. Hamilton, by the way, is still in green (the color of money, of success) but the dress is made in a tissue that looks very dark under certain lights, which is used in his darkest moments. Again, someone else commented on the color theory behind the dresses so I won't repeat that but also notice how Hamilton changes coat on stage in act 1 (I think during Alexander Hamilton and during Guns and Ships). The amount of details in this show is amazing. The part about Hamilton not turning other people's words agains them, anyway? It happens a lot. From "Talk less, smile more" to all the times he uses "look at how lucky we are to be alive right now" to justify his being busy... it's not until act 2 when his downfall starts and people (I think Jefferson) start using his own sentences against him (because he's a smarter opponent than the ones Hamilton has faced until now). And now let me unpause and hear that "she takes his hand" part again. ç____ç It's quiet Uptown might not be a sad song, but it never fails to move me. 33:17, btw, has Mortius and Lin sighing at the same time.
These 3 songs wreck me every time, I actually have to skip Blow Us All Away and Stay Alive (reprise) most times - I have to be having a great mental health day to listen to them. What an incredible musical.
Eliza’s scream gets me every time. No one has pointed this out, but Alexander covered Eliza’s hand with his when she started crying. Then she pulls her hand away from his, I think because she hasn’t forgiven him yet. ETA: this was the first time I really watched/listened to this part of Hamilton since losing someone dear to me (not a child) and it hit HARD.
The reason the phillip eacker duel takes place in jersey is because out of all the former colonies, now states the dueling laws were the most lax. Meaning the punishment wasn't as severe because dueling was outlawed even though it was practiced openly.
11:17 Philip turned to face him. So they did do the full count, it’s just that the 8. 9. Part was cut of. when Philip and his mother played piano, He did higher keys as his mother did lower keys. The bullet stopped him before he could change.
@@Blue_foods213 idk if there's a clip of mortius telling the joke on youtube but you can just search up "a man stays the night with monks and hears a strange sound" for the full thing
2 really cool music theory points here: 1- I think it was already said but between Dear Theodosia and here there are 19 songs, the age Philip was when he was shot, which is an insane about of detail. 2- Back in Take a Break, when Philip and Eliza were playing the piano, they both sing 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, just in French (I don’t know how to spell them in French 🤪) and on 7 that’s where Philip changed the melody… and… yeah 🥺
Spoilers Casper don't look at this I wonder if he's going to tell Casper about the fact Eliza outlived all of her children I'm pretty sure maybe just some of them and were able to see her grandchildren because of how long she lived so she's dealt with so much loss and it's just a fun little thing that I'm not sure if they're going to talk about gosh I wish I was a patron but I don't have money😅😅😅 then I'd have my answers
Live commentary while I procrastinate 😊✌️: 12:58 does anyone know how to lip read? 16:24 galactibunbun1711 has a animatic with my Favorite stay alive (reprise) Eliza's scream. I get chills Every Single Time 24:30 I know your suffering Mortius but your face was very red and I was legitimately afraid you would pop something
I haven’t watched the vid yet, but I’ve been thinking about it since take a break. I love the fact that aside from „blow us all away“ philip‘s other motif is the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 from take a break which is also the duel motif. We could have known right from the beginning that our cinnamon roll was gon‘ die in a duel. Also, as a kid, he always messes up from 7 on, and he gets shot on the seven
I saw this somewhere, I don't know if it's true correct me in I'm wrong, but apparently at the end of 'It's Quiet Uptown' , Philipa looked especially grief-stricken because she had just lost a family member before that, so when Lin was talking to her and asking her something while they were walking off stage, he was asking her if she was alright
Not so fun fact: Angelica Hamilton, the second eldest child of Alexander and Eliza, who was just two years younger than Philip and only 17 when he died, suffered a catastrophic mental breakdown after she found out the news of her brother's death, one from which she never recovered. For the rest of her life, she lived in what was described as an "eternal childhood," unable to care for herself. She consistently spoke of Philip as if he were still alive, a belief she maintained until her passing, and often failed to recognize her family members, including her own parents and siblings. Her mother took care of her until Eliza became too old to do so, eventually being placed in the care of Dr. MacDonald of Flushing, Queens, where she would then remain until her death in 1857 at the age of 72.
Something that the youtuber Knoxx helpt me notice. Philip has a theme with sevens. He messes up the seventh note when he is learning piano. He is shot on the seven count of the duel, and he dies while at the seven when recounting the tone scale with his mother at his death bed, he dies at at the seven count.
I went and watched this live in London two days ago for my 21st. I haven’t cried about the play for a long time because I’ve watched it so much but when the lady next to me sobbed and my mum cried I did too. Also, anyone from the UK reading this, definitely go to the Victoria Palace Theatre to see this (Mayflower Southampton next year) it’s worth it!! ❤
Dude, it’s quiet uptown is my favourite Hamilton song, but I barely ever listen to it because it makes me feel such intense emotion and I can’t always handle that feeling
Thing about duel is - Philip was pointing the gun in the sky, and this could work (at least in the musical) if he doesn't do this just a little bit to early. Eacker shot on seven not because he some crazy as psycho and asshole who likes killing young boys, but because Philip couldn't count to ten correctly and started acting way ahead, even though his mother teach him in one of the song (how can you missed this when in reprise this is brought up is crazy to me) lol. And because of that Eacker, young, hot-blooded and not even that older then Philip, just reacted like this out of fear being shot, so whole thing about him not having honor is liiitle bit exaggerated. Also i like how whole thing is a big prelude and foreshadowing for future songs ;)
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Are we also gonna get a reaction to 10 things 1 thing? It’s the original version of the world was wide enough and has a bunch of differences from the final version since we get to see Alexander’s pov while he gets ready for the dual.
Will we non patrons have access later?
Have you considered the Hamilton Polka by Weird Al
(The on he dropped on TH-cam after the D+ release)?
I think it would be fun to watch Casper’s head explode….
(Also, for a non Hamilton reaction could I suggest Come From Away. Apple TV has the pro shoot)
My name is Philip
I am in heaven
Because George Eaker
Can't count past seven
NOOOOOOOOO
THATS VILE😭
VILLAINOUS COMMENT
I laughed… AND NOW I FEEK BAD… 😢
I hate that I laughed
The only constant in this world is that whenever someone reacts to stay alive reprise almost every single Hamilton fan will say “not so fun fact, Eliza was wearing black because she was coming back from Peggy’s funerals”
I can’t wait to tell this to my friend I’m gonna show Hamilton to and watch her face somehow get more distraught then before lmao
I have some bad news for you 😂
Another not so fun fact: Eliza was pregnant when Phillip died
Unless Eliza was away for 8 months for Peggy's funeral, probably not historically accurate.
@@fluterify she was probably still in mourning. But yeah, Peggy died early that year and Philip died in November (I’m pretty sure)
Another "fun" fact: Philip died at the age of 19. There are 19 songs between his birth (Dear Theodosia) and his death (Stay Alive reprise). LMM is a freaking genius.
I'm pretty sure it's the same for Hamilton himself. He dies at age 47, there are 47 songs. (Or 48, idk if it's counting Lauren's Interlude)
@@Axt.Artist Lauren's Interlude does not count as a song due to not being present in the Official Cast Recording.
His mind was older.
@@Axt.Artist Actually there’s 46 not counting Lauren’s interlude. But Hamilton died at 47, so I think Lauren’s interlude counts as a song
The fact that they had him literally flirting with death and saying that later he would get intimately familiar with her is such a clever touch (I know it's the bullet but still he said he wanted to strip down to his socks with her, that's an interesting thing I've heard noted) edit: this got a lot more traction than I expected it to, so thank you to everyone who left a like on it, thank you all and have a great day!
And she touches him! He was doomed from that moment 😢
intimately familiar is a crazy way to put it
@@secretyidentity2833 yeah sorry I was trying to find a polite way to put it, he did tell this shows literal representation of death that he wanted to strip down to his socks with her, if that's not intimately familiar, then I don't know what it is (and believe me I don't know what is, but that seems pretty damn close) and, in a manner of speaking he would later get intimately familiar with death (okay I'll see myself out now)
Dear Theodosia is extra sad, because both fathers outlive the children they were singing about. Burr outlived all of his children. Theodosia was lost at sea at only 29 years old. None of his other children lived to be adults.
Lost at sea?? Why was she at sea??
They were also both blown away, Theodosia at sea and Phillip by the bullet
@@themoonlit-wolf3773she was going to see burr 🥲
She was on a ship to New York 😢
I actually found that out from a Jeopardy clue. 😅 I heard enough info to think the lady lost at sea in question could be Theodosia, was able to guess Aaron Burr, and was right.
Now that we’ve seen Phillip’s fate, I wanted to point out some of the genius in Miranda’s lyricism. In the first song, there were four lines from characters declaring their relationships with Hamilton. Now, we can realize that three of the lines had double meanings. These lines were:
“We fought with him.” Lafayette and Mulligan fought alongside him, while Jefferson and Madison… fought him.
“Me? I died for him.” Laurens died fighting for his ideals, while Phillip died defending his honor.
“Me? I loved him.” Eliza was his wife, Angelica and Peggy were his sisters-in-law, and Maria made love to him. (Notice the use of “Me” instead of “We.”)
With this, we realize that each double-cast member is performing in their capacity as both characters that they play, and thus, EVERY major character (besides the King, who has no actual relationship with Hamilton) is present in the intro laying out the story.
Oh, and George Eacker had little other impact on American history after the duel because he died of tuberculosis less than three years later.
And that's what's called "karma", ladies and gentlemen. 😏
@Tails If we mate talking about the musical than yes, if we’re talking about real history than not really as in the real duel after the ten count Philip and George both just stood there without shooting for about a minute (according to their seconds) and Philip raised his gun then Eaker shot him.
Ask Eaker I kept got the illness after one night in the winter when he went out to help put out a house fire and got very sick. He frequently got ill afterwards and then passed away after it became tuberculosis.
*Eaker got an illness after
Philip's death hit his younger sister the hardest of all his family. Angelica Hamilton was very close to Philip, and when he died, she had a complete psychological collapse that lasted for the rest of her life. She mentally reverted to childhood and always still believed Philip was still alive. When Eliza became too old to take care of her herself, Angelica went to live with her doctor until she died aged 72.
Also, Philip was Philip Hamilton. Philip Schuyler was his grandfather, Eliza's father.
Philip literally FLIRTING WITH DEATH is such a genius detail.
I didn't notice that before!!!
God the way Caspar turned into this tiny small terrified distraught looking thing after Eliza screams 🥺😭
Phillipa Soo mentions in an interview that one of the few times she was ever thrown off in the live performance was when they were doing a show for the high schoolers. When Phillip dies, the teenaged girls in the audience screamed before she could... 😏
The high schoolers were there as part of there program with the local schools in the NYC area. The kids would write songs, scenes, or raps about history and come to their theater to perform them for the cast, then the cast would treat them to a performance of Hamilton. So cool... 😊
I don’t blame him, I knew what was coming and I still teared up just at the sound of that gut wrenching scream
31:27 “I know there’s no replacing what we’ve lost”
Names their son Phillip II
Tbf that's just something people did back then. Also, Philip is a common name and the name of Eliza's father.
I'll be the color theory person
-In the beginning of the musical, Hamilton and his friends are wearing brown as Hamilton is a very poor man trying to make a name for himself
Burr is in purple, a very dark purple, but still purple. It's to represent his prestige, as the prodigy of this college but very subtly
-Then they all change to revolutionary blue for the war, the opposite of Britain's Redcoats
-The sisters are wearing very bright colors, because they can afford the expensive dyes. Angelica in an orange, because she's very fiery, and Eliza in a blue, because she's very calm and demure. Peggy is in yellow I think because she's a very bubbly person, historical
-Then Hamilton changes to green. He is the Secretary of the Treasury, green like his money. But also green with envy, he wants the power and influence Jefferson has
-Madison is in a powder blue jacket, but if you notice he has orange on the inside. Madison is always described as very sickly on the outside but he is very passionate on the inside
-Mariah is in this very lustful red dress, clearly reinforcing her sex appeal is on full display, but it's red like blood as well. Like she is a wound inflicted on Alexander and his family
-Jefferson wears a bombastic pinky purple coat. He is the most out there in terms of political belief and is openly showing it off. The purple, as I mentioned before, represents the prestige that Jefferson carries with him. He wrote the declaration of independence, he's a very important figure. Later, Jefferson changes into brown, because he's trying to mellow out to win the presidency
-Burr also seems to be in a much darker coat in act two, representing how his thoughts and ideals are kind of darkening and becoming more intense
-Philip only has a powder blue vest, to represent his mom but he covers it up with his coat to kind of represent his backing away from the ideals his mom taught him, but they're still there
-Hamilton ends the show in all black, his green vest only making an appearance in the election of 1800 to represent that he's still the money man, to show his morning of his son and his own death
Eliza ends in a white gown with blue undertone to represent how motherly, heavenly, and pure she becomes at the end of the musical
This was very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
😍 well explained
There's also white. Ensemble is in whites, Hamilton at the very beginning. I've read somewhere that this represents "ghosts" ot someone that is not really there. So Hamilton at the beginning, because he's "not part of" the american history yet, then he changes into the brown coat to signify that that's the beginning of him kind of "existing". I think Laurens is in white in his interlude etc
Fun fact!: When Philip and Eliza are counting, Philip’s heartbeat stops when Eliza reaches 7 and Philip 3, which makes them count to 10 together!
Lin-Manuel has said that the use of Eliza's words indicates that for a guy with so many words, Hamilton is so broken by Phillip's death has just left him speechless, and the only thing he can do is reflect Eliza's words back to her. And here I was knowing what's covered in these songs thinking I could get through them with all the pausing/deconstructions/conversations without crying. NOPE.
In Non-Stop, Alex does sing "Look around at how Lucky we are to be alive right now" in a dick-move to get Eliza to be ok with him running off with Washington to run the Treasury... 😑
And he was absolutely crushed by Philip’s death. I read somewhere he needed support to stand up at the funeral because he was so upset.
15:32 sad fact: ya notice how Philip mentioned forgetting what Eliza taught him? That’s in reference to the counting scene in “take a break”. He thought he miscounted.
😭😭
Oh no, I never thought about it in that way TwT
I only knew the musical theory behind it...
After the number 7 Elisa takes the low/"grounded" notes, but Philip still goes higher while counting, like he wants to do something greater, something as or more impressive than his father. So he "forgot" that the family he has "would be enough", he forgot that he doesn't need to do something outstanding.
Sorry, I really badly explained it, but Howard Ho made a really awesome video on it!
@@ladabeg nah I get what you mean, I think I’ve seen that. With Philip wanting to fly higher like his dad compared to his mom’s careful low tones, which ultimately screw over both the Hamilton men by flying too close to the sun (classic Icarus)
Oh my gosh, he does break off from her counting at seven, doesn't he?! 😢
the "1-2-3-4-5-6-7-!" followed then Mortius deadpan stare at the camera
History facts (correct me if I'm wrong, also maybe spoilers):
In history, I'm not sure if this actually happened, but george didn't shoot on 7. They waited, but when Phillip started to raise his gun, he panicked and shot him, george died a few years later due to his alcohol addiction, and he would apologize over and over for killing Phillip.
Also, the gun wasn't Alexander's it was Eliza's fathers gun that was passed down as a wedding gift. And Alexander used it in his own duel against Burr.
Eliza was wearing the all black dress as a show of mourning her either sister's death, which she had just come from the funeral or something.
Angelica had to move in with hamilton and eliza, I think she kinda went crazy when she heard about Phillips' death. Correction it was Alexander's daughter named Angelica
I have seen theories that George had a spasm and accidentally shot him, but regardless it’s awful.
Just a note - it wasn't Angelica, it was Hamilton's daughter (who was named Angelica) that had a mental breakdown after her brother was killed
From what i've heard, the whole thing about philip being shot on 7 came from eliza teaching him to count to 10 in order to calm himself down. While he was raising the gun, he apparently started counting to himself, and was at 7 when eacker shot him.
(Take this with a grain of salt as well, i have no idea if it's actually true but it's sad to think about regardless :
Her sister's death
We, musical fans, are kind of a psychotic bunch.
"That was awful!"
"YES, it is awful...(smiles like the cat that got the canary) and isn't that great???"
The only words she sings in this song are, "It's quiet uptown." And in the tune of That Would Be Enough. And. the first unimaginable thing is losing a child. Because we have words for children who lose parents, and people who lose spouses. But not parents who lose children, it's so against the natural order of things.
It didn’t use to be, half of children didn’t reach 5 back then
That scream gets me every time. It's so raw and real. Phillipa Sou is truly an amazing actor as well as singer.
The "Forgiveness" line always gets me damn 😭
Every single time
Fun fact: Eliza was pregnant when Phillip died
get the word “fun” out of there rn LMAO
How dare u
@@Phasmania 💀
The recorded version not having the scream in Stay Alive, definitely lessens the impact of the song.
No, it's still impactful. Trust me, it's still got a lot of impact.
I’m actually glad it’s left out.
Little extras, like the Gasp at the end of the play, or the Bullet getting done in between You’ll Be Back and Right Hand Man, keep the movie recording special.
@@TailsFan There are varying degrees of impact…. Yes…. It’s still impactful.
@@StoryMing maybe outside of the context of the visuals…. Maybe it is better not to have it. I still miss it when listening to the audio
I can agree the scream adds so much, but IMO it's one of the reasons to watch it rather than just listen to the soundtrack. I still remember the first time I got to watch it live the Laurens' death scene and Phillip's death scene were such an emotional punch that I did not see coming so I get why they left it out of the recordings
The reason Phillip says "I'm so sorry for forgetting what you taught me" is in reference to take a break where she is teaching him how to count. He thought he miscounted, but no George eaker just cant count.
But this is just a theory.... A musical theory.
I don’t know if anyone’s said this, but Hamilton’s line “you did everything just right” is so gut wrenching because it’s the same melody as Washington’s “I make every mistake” in History has it’s Eye on You. Washington made all the mistakes and still lived. Philip did every right and died. It’s so tragic!!!!
my brother passed in 2006 and its quiet uptown never fails to make my whole family sob
I don't know what Casper said but it looked like he was describing how he wanted to tear George Eacker apart slowly to pay for his crimes.
Also fun fact when philip says "I'm so sorry for forgetting what you taught me" it's because Eliza taught him how to count and he thinks he's the one who messed up the counting in the duel, not George Eaker :D
The little smile at the end is diabolical
He always struggled to get past 7 when Eliza taught Phillip French in Take A Break, and then he dies counting to 7 ….
Fun fact, Mr. Eaker didn’t shoot early, and Philip didn’t aim to the sky. Once the counting was done, Philip would not raise his gun, confusing Eaker. After a whole minute of standing there, they both raised their guns and Eaker shot Philip. Philip also fired but it was probably an accident due to a muscle spasm from being shot. Hamilton isn’t perfect at telling the story and I would recommend everyone watch a video called “the inaccuracies of Hamilton”
Sorry to ruin that for anyone, just wanted to say the truth
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@@bluebay1031 ..
@@braxtontaylor5575you didn't ruin it, everyone here knows that some minor details get changed to improve the story a bit
@@voidfloof true, but it’s good to know whats false and what’s true when watching any historical adaptation
In my opinion, the absolute most powerful line in the whole musical is, “Forgiveness. Can you imagine?” It truly is a grace to powerful to name, in the antique sense of the word. Eliza gives Alexander a gift that he can never repay and which he does not deserve, simply because she is that good of a person: forgiveness.
Can you imagine?
Fun fact, before walkie talkies, stagehands would whistle to each other to signal changes on set. Actors weren't allowed to whistle because the stagehands could pull the levers at the wrong time and could kill them. Aka, Phillip whistling on stage was him also calling his death.
Not so fun fact the line "blow us all away" was not only in references to the expansion of their fathers but also to their deaths. Philp to the shot, and Theodosia to a storm at see.
It’s Quiet Uptown…”she takes his hand, it’s quiet uptown….forgiveness…”. Gets crazy tears from me every time
There is an interview with Renee Elise Goldsberry that Mortius needs to see. She is talking about how in Satisfied, Angelica basically gives Alexander to her sister and from that point on becomes their 'observer' or something like that. It is so close to what Mortius says. I believe it is during an appearance on Live with Kelly Ripa and whomever she is hosting with at the time... if I can find the link I will post it in a reply.
"It's Quiet Uptown" only really hit me when it got to the "forgiveness" part. It's just this sudden turn of what "the unimagibable" means in the song, from the greatest loss Hamilton had to face the greatest gift anyone could have given him at that time. The unimaginable grief and the unimaginable willingness of Eliza to give him a second chance. And like you said, the beginning just has you feeling empty after Phillips death, but the second Elizs takes Hamiltons hand it turns to a feeling of relief and gives room to grief and healing. Maybe relief isn't the right word, maybe it's just the realization that, even though horrible things happen to people that don't deserve it because life just isn't fair, that also means that people who don't deserve it can get a second chance. It's a hard feeling to describe, this song has a mix of grief, longing, hope and healing in it. Emotionally probably the best written song in the entire musical.
16:59 I don’t know why but saying “Rest in Peace, Philip Schuyler” just made it feel even more heartbreaking but also kind of sweet- probably it feels like it pays more homage to everything Eliza has been through and her pain in losing her son. I know it was probably just a slip of the tongue (and strictly speaking is wishing peace to his grandfather) but I don’t know it just kind of works somehow.
Prophet Casper has spoken. He’s dying before Mortius. The only question is: nat 1 or 20
Philip Hamilton refused to raise his pistol to fire after he and Eacker had counted ten paces and faced each other, following his father's instructions to reserve his fire. Eacker, determined to fire second, did not shoot. After a minute, Eacker finally raised his pistol, and Hamilton did the same. Eacker shot and struck Philip above his right hip. The bullet went through his body and lodged in his left arm. In what may have been an involuntary spasm, Hamilton fired his pistol in the air.
In a letter to Rufus King, Robert Troup wrote of Alexander Hamilton, "Never did I see a man so completely overwhelmed with grief as Hamilton had been." Nevertheless, he was said to be civil and professional in his later relationship with Eacker
He did predict it, but man.
It must still hurt so much-
Fun fact the wail at the end of stay alive (reprise) isn’t in the studio recording it’s only in the play
25:25 It's actually really interesting to me that for you this a song you don't cry so much at. Cause for me that's the song I cry the most at. Grief hits hard
As many likely have said, the real story of George Eaker and Philip Hamilton's duel is a bit different from what Hamilton shows. Hamilton, likely for the sake of the story, fudges a lot of details. For instance, Eaker didn't shoot Philip during the count. After the count, rather than raising his gun to shoot, he just sort of stood there confusing Eaker until he moved to raise his gun possibly to the surrendering gesture but he freaked out Eaker in the process and got shot.
After Philip's death, its said that Hamilton was so wrecked that he couldn't even stand at his son's funeral, having to be raised up by his friends to even see his son off. Meanwhile, Philip's sister, Angelica (yes named for her aunt) had a mental breakdown that resulted in her spending the rest of her life in need of constant care. Philip was adored by *everyone* .
Sorry about this Casper but...:
Philip has gone down the drain in the end
the poor actor who has to die twice
Exactly-
Casper: "what was his name again?"
Mortious: "George Eacker"
Casper: *new enemy unlocked*
did he know that the bullet won an oscar?
Maybe they'll do that one next... 🤔
Sad details in stay alive: Philip apologizes for forgetting what Eliza taught him (counting) because Eaker shot on 7 but Philip thought he miscounted. Also Philip stops counting in French at 7.
I lost my mom some weeks ago.. and quiet up town is just perfect to describe grief
as someone who's going through their "easier to just swim down" period, "It's Quiet Uptown" destroys me.
keep going. it gets better
I get that way, too, and it's also the right song for me when I'm particularly angry with my partner, so that I can channel Eliza's forgiveness.
Hope you can get the support you need.
Howard Ho mentions in his video about this (if memory serves) that when they play piano together when Philip was a child, that after the count of seven he changes the melody Eliza gives him. Eliza ends on a “safe” note whilst Philip ends on an “unsecured” or more “adventurous” note. After the count of seven he gets shot, their lives part ways and he cannot follow her home. This is not word for word, but it is essentially the sentiment.
This is something I've read somewhere, but the line "there are sufferings too terrible to name" can refer to the fact that, while there's a name for people who lost their spouse (widow/widower) and people who lost their parents (orphan), there's no name for parents who lost their child, because the idea of outliving your children is something no loving parent wants to think about and hopes for
I love how when Philip is flirting with the girls THE BULLET TOUCHES HIM.
Regarding the coat colours: I’m not aware of what it means, but costume design is very intentional, so I can’t imagine it doesn’t mean anything. Also the beige outfits the ensemble wears are referred to as “parchment”, so the colours worn over that base layer would be the ink, the writing put onto that blank parchment.
10:15 lol you make him younger each time
...oh...oh my gosh I've never checked, unlike the letters with Angelica.
1-10, they turned. And _neither_ shot. Philip wouldn't raise his pistols so Eacker _did_ follow suit and not raise either.
They just stood there for a minute, and then Eacker raised his pistol, so Philip raised his. Eacker shot Philip, Philip shot in the air as maybe a flinch/spasm
His younger sister (an Angelica) lost her mind and Alexander could hardly stand at the burial
25:05 Apparently a friend wrote that he had never seen "a man so completely overwhelmed with grief"
One of my favorite fun facts about Hamilton is that Lin did a lot of the writing at the house Alexander and Eliza moved into after Philip’s death. Lin gave a really great interview about Hamilton for Sirius XM On Broadway. In the interview he talked a lot about the writing process.
Oh no, this is one of the strongest marriages in history, Eliza stayed with him after he publicized his affair, and continued to have his children, they totally moved on from the whole thing, with no visible break between them as far as we can tell(there were never any letters in the two that alluded to the affair or any resentment on her part, she remained his loving wife and as far as we know he remained faithful to her as well, knowing Hamilton if this ever happened again he probably would have publicized it again)
It's almost like the historical and cultural context at the time made it impossible for women to leave their husbands (even cheaters and abusers) and still have a dignified and happy life afterwards. No shit she stayed with him, Maria stayed with her husband for years too, but sure, try to romanticize the cruel reality women were subjected to in past.
@@secretyidentity2833 hey I wanted to avoid saying the thing, but if she actually hated him so bad she wouldn't have spoken so highly of him after he died, if she hated him she could have easily said so, but as far as we can tell she never had a negative word to say about him, I get it at the time wouldn't have allowed for a divorce but again she never showed a hint of resentment even after she could have spoken about her resentments(it's not really me romanticizing it, it's me stating the exact way that she felt, if anything she romanticized him after his death, she made it her life's work to do everything she could to portray him in a positive light, she hated the people he hated till the day she died, if she at all felt trapped in this relationship she would have spoken her mind the instant he died, and if not the instant he died it would have come out over the 50 plus years she was alive after him)
Can't use the "lack of letters referencing the affair" as evidence considering she might have just destroyed those letters
@@voidfloof I feel in no way qualified to comment on that perspective, because even the source material for this musical doesn't go with that perspective (he mentions in the opening of the book that she seemed like she had burned some letters, because she was self-deprecating, and that's literally all chernow has to say on the matter) so I won't dispute the possibility,, I will just leave it where it is, I didn't mean to make anyone mad when I made this, comment, I just felt confident that the relationship wasn't awful based on the fact that Eliza literally had 50 years as a separate person from Hamilton but she still never spoke a bad word about him, and tried to make sure his name was immortalized in the best way possible, so I'm trying to look at this in a positive light, obviously that's not for everyone but I I personally feel like these actions would indicate a decent marriage at the very least?
@@dragansnyder2786 yeah, cause her life would be so good if, after the death of one of the most important man in the creation of the US, she started "talking bad abt him"
also, as a woman, who the hell was she gonna talk bad abt him TO? Who would listen or even care abt what she had to say, ppl barely cared when she was singing his praises non-stop for YEARS, to the point it has taken this play for ppl to even listen to her story (alexander being an immigrant from South America instead of white british europe also played a part in it)
And yes, it is romanticizing, there are many women to this day who live in abusive and/or toxic relationships with cheating spouses and don't a say a damn word abt it to anyone and many more throughout history that lived their entire lives in suffuring silence bc no one would want to listen to them or care abt their situations. Not having RECORD of her feeling resentment or hatred towards her cheating husband does mean the feeling did not exist, and bc WE DO KNOW the cultural and historical reality that would lead to the lack of these records it IS romanticizing history to say "they had one of the strongest marriages in history" when their story and the lack of records of "bad fellings" is literally no different than a vast portion of women at the time, give me a fucking break, if that's what a strong marriage is "the appearence of dedication, stability and respect" lets honestly just abolish divorce alltogether and bring back in full force the culture of any woman without a husband is a disgrace, then we can all have long lasting strong marriages like theirs.
My mom doesn't like musicals, but i made her watch Hamilton and she cried at this part.
As someone who studied fashion design I feel ashamed that I just formed this theory watching you guys considering the colour theory of the costumes. But I just realized, Eliza starts in blue, Angelica is yellow, for the longest time Alexanders colour is green - the middle between blue and yellow. In act 2 when Alexander is pretty much on top, Elizas dress is green. And then everything falls apart and her dress is back to her colour blue - and so is Alexanders! Now there are a lot of ways to interpret that, and I already have several Interpretations in my head that are all plausible to me, but honestly I never even considered that until they talked about the colour theories in this video...
Eliza's scream gets me EVERY! TIME!
found this on imdb... but didn't crosscheck.
"Philip took his father's advice, and refused to raise his pistol to fire after he and Eacker had counted ten paces and faced each other. Eacker, following suit, did not shoot either. For the first minute, both men stood, doing nothing, both refusing to shoot. After a minute, Eacker finally raised his pistol, and Philip did the same. Eacker shot and struck Philip above his right hip. The bullet went through his body and lodged in his left arm. In what may have been an involuntary spasm, Philip also fired his pistol before he hit the ground, but this bullet did nothing."
Eliza has also lost Peggy. She had died a few months prior to this. Which is why they are dressed in all black, (mourning clothes)
For the record, the real life duel between Philip and Eacker, Eacker did not actually shoot before ten. (According to a quick google search, grain of salt as always.)
Instead, Philip refused to raise his pistol, as did Eacker. They stood there facing each other for a full minute before both raised their pistols and Eacker won. I *think* Philip was maybe going to aim for the sky but he was shot before then and ended up firing his bullet anyways. Regardless he still didn’t hit Eacker so the outcome was the same.
I absolutely lost it while watching this song at the theatre and when Angelica sings “ Forgiveness”I literally sobbed out loud and continued crying for the rest of the play.This is one of the best musicals of all time in many ways. It got me through Covid and the isolation we all experienced.Lin Manuel Miranda is genius.Thanks for your sensitive analysis.gents.
I love thinking of It's Quiet Uptown in arms with The Underworld because it shows the perspective of loss from both parent and child.
_It's_Quiet_Uptown_ always hits me hard because I grew up having lost my older sister when I was quite young. Even when neither parent bears any guilt, it changes the whole family. Everything is both more precious and harder to go through without the child.
It's the scream.... I don't know how many times I've seen this scene but the scream makes me sob every single time.
19:03
The first song:
Daveed and Okieriete (Lafayette/ Jefferson and Mulligan/Madison ) says: "WE fought with him."
Coz both roles Fought WITH him as they're comrades in arms
And FOUGHT with him as they were on opposite political parties
And Ramos (Lawrence/phillip) says, "me? I died for him"
Coz he died as someone hamilton loves dearly for both roles
Just blew my mind out of the water.
I remembered the first time i made this connection, I was in a bus heading to work. I couldn't talk to anyone about it as hamilton was JUST starting to come out and no one understood what I was rambling about (i live in a 3rd world country. Musicals were considered not for the masses)
I love watching your guy’s reactions! Petition here to have Casper and Mortius watch the musical Come From Away though!!!:
I would love to see that.
One of my favorite pieces of trivia for "Quiet Uptown" is that in the mixtape, Kelly Clarkson sings this song while she is within a week of giving birth. It gives that song a power that is mind blowing.
Others have said about Eacker not shooting on 7 so I won't repeat the whole story, I'll focus on another detail in that song.
You know how I said in the comments a while ago that I knew for certain that Peggy was still alive? The reason I know is because of Eliza's black dress in Stay Alive (reprise): I've been told that she was still wearing black for Peggy, who died within the year, when Philip got shot. (I know everybody and their bullet wrote about this already but I promised I would talk about this back in the comments to the other video and so I did.)
BTW, another thing I left in half to avoid spoilers was that pistols and microphones are from the same case, and the music of Cabinet Battles is a remix of the dueling countdown / French counting song. The show draws a lot of parallels between verbal and physical duels.
That said, seeing Mortius melt down during the first part of It's Quiet Uptown feels so personal.
Hamilton, by the way, is still in green (the color of money, of success) but the dress is made in a tissue that looks very dark under certain lights, which is used in his darkest moments. Again, someone else commented on the color theory behind the dresses so I won't repeat that but also notice how Hamilton changes coat on stage in act 1 (I think during Alexander Hamilton and during Guns and Ships). The amount of details in this show is amazing.
The part about Hamilton not turning other people's words agains them, anyway? It happens a lot. From "Talk less, smile more" to all the times he uses "look at how lucky we are to be alive right now" to justify his being busy... it's not until act 2 when his downfall starts and people (I think Jefferson) start using his own sentences against him (because he's a smarter opponent than the ones Hamilton has faced until now).
And now let me unpause and hear that "she takes his hand" part again. ç____ç
It's quiet Uptown might not be a sad song, but it never fails to move me.
33:17, btw, has Mortius and Lin sighing at the same time.
eliza’s scream brings me to tears EVERY GODDAMN TIME
I love that James Reynolds is Phillip Schuyler and the doctor tending to Phillip Hamilton's wound. 🤣
These 3 songs wreck me every time, I actually have to skip Blow Us All Away and Stay Alive (reprise) most times - I have to be having a great mental health day to listen to them. What an incredible musical.
The name of the show Eacker was watching is _The West Indian._ Alexander was from the West Indies.
Eliza’s scream gets me every time. No one has pointed this out, but Alexander covered Eliza’s hand with his when she started crying. Then she pulls her hand away from his, I think because she hasn’t forgiven him yet.
ETA: this was the first time I really watched/listened to this part of Hamilton since losing someone dear to me (not a child) and it hit HARD.
The reason the phillip eacker duel takes place in jersey is because out of all the former colonies, now states the dueling laws were the most lax. Meaning the punishment wasn't as severe because dueling was outlawed even though it was practiced openly.
11:17 Philip turned to face him. So they did do the full count, it’s just that the 8. 9. Part was cut of. when Philip and his mother played piano, He did higher keys as his mother did lower keys.
The bullet stopped him before he could change.
The colors of the jackets are significant.
Finally, I heard the joke from the previous video
What is it???😭
@@Blue_foods213 idk if there's a clip of mortius telling the joke on youtube but you can just search up "a man stays the night with monks and hears a strange sound" for the full thing
Please say somebody did a sticker or a gif out of 27:22 / 27:23 its just Emotions in one secend but so perfect reflection of that song
2 really cool music theory points here:
1- I think it was already said but between Dear Theodosia and here there are 19 songs, the age Philip was when he was shot, which is an insane about of detail.
2- Back in Take a Break, when Philip and Eliza were playing the piano, they both sing 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, just in French (I don’t know how to spell them in French 🤪) and on 7 that’s where Philip changed the melody… and… yeah 🥺
Spoilers Casper don't look at this
I wonder if he's going to tell Casper about the fact Eliza outlived all of her children I'm pretty sure maybe just some of them and were able to see her grandchildren because of how long she lived so she's dealt with so much loss and it's just a fun little thing that I'm not sure if they're going to talk about gosh I wish I was a patron but I don't have money😅😅😅 then I'd have my answers
Live commentary while I procrastinate 😊✌️:
12:58 does anyone know how to lip read?
16:24 galactibunbun1711 has a animatic with my Favorite stay alive (reprise) Eliza's scream. I get chills Every Single Time
24:30 I know your suffering Mortius but your face was very red and I was legitimately afraid you would pop something
I haven’t watched the vid yet, but I’ve been thinking about it since take a break. I love the fact that aside from „blow us all away“ philip‘s other motif is the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 from take a break which is also the duel motif. We could have known right from the beginning that our cinnamon roll was gon‘ die in a duel. Also, as a kid, he always messes up from 7 on, and he gets shot on the seven
My dark sense of humor is a menace. 25:22 "Dude, I just feel defeated." My immediate response: "Phillip does, too."
I saw this somewhere, I don't know if it's true correct me in I'm wrong, but apparently at the end of 'It's Quiet Uptown' , Philipa looked especially grief-stricken because she had just lost a family member before that, so when Lin was talking to her and asking her something while they were walking off stage, he was asking her if she was alright
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I didn’t think that was THIS recording, but that somewhere there’s a bootleg from another performance?
I love seeing casper crying because he felt what i felt everytime
Not so fun fact: Angelica Hamilton, the second eldest child of Alexander and Eliza, who was just two years younger than Philip and only 17 when he died, suffered a catastrophic mental breakdown after she found out the news of her brother's death, one from which she never recovered. For the rest of her life, she lived in what was described as an "eternal childhood," unable to care for herself. She consistently spoke of Philip as if he were still alive, a belief she maintained until her passing, and often failed to recognize her family members, including her own parents and siblings. Her mother took care of her until Eliza became too old to do so, eventually being placed in the care of Dr. MacDonald of Flushing, Queens, where she would then remain until her death in 1857 at the age of 72.
Something that the youtuber Knoxx helpt me notice. Philip has a theme with sevens. He messes up the seventh note when he is learning piano. He is shot on the seven count of the duel, and he dies while at the seven when recounting the tone scale with his mother at his death bed, he dies at at the seven count.
It’s Quiet Uptown is tied with Dos Oruquitas (from Encanto) as my go-to songs with I need to cry and the tears won’t come. Lin-Manuel is a genius.
As someone who heard the album before seeing the show, that scream rips your soul. I was not expecting it then it broke my heart.
Also that joke! Mortius! You can’t do that to Casper!
Quiet Uptown is definitely the song that makes me sob the most.
Casper's reaction, ah my heart
I went and watched this live in London two days ago for my 21st. I haven’t cried about the play for a long time because I’ve watched it so much but when the lady next to me sobbed and my mum cried I did too. Also, anyone from the UK reading this, definitely go to the Victoria Palace Theatre to see this (Mayflower Southampton next year) it’s worth it!! ❤
17:09 he's name is Philip Hamilton
Dude, it’s quiet uptown is my favourite Hamilton song, but I barely ever listen to it because it makes me feel such intense emotion and I can’t always handle that feeling
Thing about duel is - Philip was pointing the gun in the sky, and this could work (at least in the musical) if he doesn't do this just a little bit to early. Eacker shot on seven not because he some crazy as psycho and asshole who likes killing young boys, but because Philip couldn't count to ten correctly and started acting way ahead, even though his mother teach him in one of the song (how can you missed this when in reprise this is brought up is crazy to me) lol. And because of that Eacker, young, hot-blooded and not even that older then Philip, just reacted like this out of fear being shot, so whole thing about him not having honor is liiitle bit exaggerated. Also i like how whole thing is a big prelude and foreshadowing for future songs ;)
Casper's eyebrows when he's sad are like a heartbroken puppy.
I don't know how y'all made it through without crying. Unimaginable makes me break down every time. 😭😭😭
I can’t. Don’t even know why I am watching this, that’s the saddest scene EVER for me. Eliza’s scream literally opens a hole in my heart. I’m sobbing
"Who did this? Alexander, did you know?" Not only did he know, he provided the gun.
So, fun fact that I don't know if it was mentioned elsewhere. Elisa 'It's quiet uptown' is also a return of the That would be enough motive.