WHY NO ONE LIKES THE "NEW" PIPE MASTERS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ธ.ค. 2022
- Well someone had to say it, I forgot to say that there are a lot of local people who aren't in the event that should be as well. Im not trying to be negative just wanted to shed some light on what is going on and how a lot of the actual competitors feel. Thank you all for watching and have a great day!
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You gotta respect a man who’s willing to speak up
Bro he is scared! Now anybody can come and win!!! There are a lot of surfers better than this guys, but the old system was protecting them! Now not anymore! They have all the lights on them but it doesn't mean they are the best! Now we are going to see who is the best but they don't want that....! Simple!! If you are the best you are the best , go and fight for that!
im sick at home and just clicked for his girlfriend...not in this video.
bye
Fear all over his face. Bad attitudes lead to bad outcomes. He just ate shit on his first wave
@@JuanPerez-lr3bnI agree.
Speaking up is good, constantly complaining is not. Im not saying that is what Koa is doing, that is more like what that douche Albee Layer those on every single post, interview, or comment.
Koa please dont turn into and Albee
Your family's name is on the board. You have every reason to speak up and you should too. Much love from an Aussie who has watched the Masters for decades. I couldn't give a shit about airs.
amen mate
Exactly, wtf goes to Pipe to do airs??
Well, airs don't give a shit aboot you, bro.
I just adore how the surf community always sucks up to Hawaiians. Also, the Hawaiian tough guy image is pretty funny as well.
@@SouthjettyBill --who does airs at Pipeline?
That is the question.
No airs in general.
@@SouthjettyBillI agree w/ you 100% Sick of the Hawaiians always preaching respect and aloha while they are rude all over the world and act like they are some persecuted race. It’s really crazy how people suck up to these Hawaiians. The Rothman’s will send it, no doubt, but Koa or Makua have almost zero real skill compared to real pros. I sound like a hater but skill-wise, we have kids in my local lineup that are better technical surfers than Kemper and the Rothmans. Also, their dad was pushing bricks of Yay all thru Hawaii. Why you think he did time? Oh!! What about Kala!? The hero enforcer! He preaches respect. Ohhh yeah. He has beaten up literal children and group attacked a dad in front of his 2 kids because the dad asked what the best place to boogie board was. Total tourist who just wanted to get wet, got beat down by Kala! The hero!
I don't watch the WSL surf events (I don't even know most of the surfers anymore on tour), but I always loved watching the Triple Crown esp Pipe Masters. Mainly because of the surfers I love watching compete here! Good on ya for speaking up Koa!
Koa, you are spot on, the whole WSL season format is engineered to drive corporate profit and manufacture drama rather than giving surfers a platform to perform. It used to be about putting the best surfers in the best waves. All the changes to the PM reflect this new direction and it's so sad. The world champ used to be crowned during the PM, it was the best event of the year. Such a shame. I will be cheering you on from AUS.
Thx
That’s right. It used to be the best event of the year!!!! Was a BIG deal! I felt it doesn’t have the same prestige and heart that it used to. Not the surfers, just the event.
Definitely miss the old Pipe masters, that old format was what allowed people like JOB to win it over all those tour surfers.
👍👍
What about that year they didn't allowed Bruce to compete in the event with his brother's name? That was one of the most ridiculous shit i've seen. It was like saying Uncle Clyde he can't surf the Eddie Aikau.
@@fernandomaron87 Exactly. The pre 2014 format was my favorite to watch. It was different than the rest of the tour (and honestly, I feel that the tour should go to that format instead of what it runs) These contests are held across the world and the locals should have a solid representation in that contest.
@@ph1shstyx what was the format like ,?
Exactly. Even if it has the name “Pipe Masters” that’s not what it is. This is a special invite Stab Mag thing. The WSL Pipe contest is the closest thing to the OG Pipe Masters, but it’s missing that magic component of a local wildcard being able to make it thru and win it all. Koa being upset seems like he’s venting at Stab because they changed the format when it’s the WSL who changed everything by making Pipe first event of the season. If I’m Koa, I’d be grateful for being invited to a Stab event. Stab puts on sick events. Only other media is TH-cam vloggers
Fair play dude. Hawaii should 100% be the last part of the tour too.
I would love a part 2 after the event about what you thought of the event and if any feelings changed from this video. Love the honesty
That would be super cool!
Dude, so damn refreshing when someone in the surfing community is honest like this......
The wsl should acknowledge the issues Koa brings up.
Props to u koa. Hope this isn’t an on going thing. Locals and the pipe legends deserve to be in this event. Scored for them late drops , getting blown out after a spit and getting a 10 for that. Not hanging on the shoulder building up speed to do a air . That’s not what pipes ever been about. Glad u spoke about it, hopeuflly it makes the other legends come out n speak about it
Major props for the open and honest take Koa.
Very interesting to hear Koa's sober, candid and sometimes amusing real time musings on this most famous of surfing contests which has sometimes in the past not only provided the amphitheater for deciding the world surfing champion but harbored some of the most spectacular surfing moments and most remarkable upsets of seeded surfers.
Understandably locals and surf fans are astounded and disappointed that it has been relegated to a "specialty" event which fails to feature some of the indisputably best Pipe exponents amongst its draw!
I hope Pipe shows her true colors and either you, Billy, Eli or Ivan win the event. Solid Pipe will separate the men from the air boys. Forecast for Pipe Dec 16 8-12ft Dec 17 15-18ft!!!
Stoked to see you speak out and I think a lot more people than you think are on the same page with you. Lame that Vans made a carbon copy of the shootout and brushed it off as their own idea but it shows how desperate they are. Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room and hope Vans gets backlash on this whole situation
it's Vans. WSL is billabong pipe pro. Shit changes, they gotta just roll with it, these guys gonna surf cus the money is good regardless. you don't need a sponsored contest to know who the best is at pipe, all contests are just for $$$
@@zach1978 WSL is still one of the top sponsors of the event, look at the event site. Regardless of the head sponsor, it doesn't change what happened.
Agreed that you don't need a sponsored contest to know who the best is.
But would you rather see a bunch of air guys randomly that have barely surfed Pipecome into a mix, or see the best compete against each other? I think the answer is pretty obvious there.
@@noahjm22 there’s at least 3 pipe contests every year, dudes get shacked in all of them. Koa was subtly throwing shade at Meola and Rasta Rob because Matt said he never ever surfs pipe, and Robbie is a Floridian kid known for sending huge airs. Personally, I don’t care, but I think it’s an interesting dynamic. Meola is Hawaiian born too
@@zach1978 If robbie beats Koa, Koa will have to leave the island 🤣. Florida represent! Flagler Beach taking over the North Shore? Let's go!!
Your brother basically endorsed it. Or did he sell out? Can’t have it both ways. I like the old pipe masters but if people that don’t surf pipe go out and kill it all those that put in time may look a little silly. I like you but you do need to work on airs too. Keep charging!
The plus side of all this is that Shootout can now advertise as the "Original" Da Hui Backdoor Shootout. Thanks for speaking out. Be the best and everyone else will be 2nd Best. Good luck, Koa.
Thoughtful, honest, and speaking up for his community and a wave that has a legacy unrivaled by any other on Earth. Major props and respect, Koa Rothman.
Woke Masters -
well said
yup!
Good to hear a Pipe specialist’s perspective. Having said that, the Vans Pipe Masters is the event I’ve most looked forward to watching in the last couple of years. Can’t wait!
fair play Koa nice to see someone in/around the tour say what they actually think
If John and Kelly aren’t in it then it doesn’t count. Oh well, good luck, I hope you win it all since you understand that.
Do you know if there’s a specific reason why John and Kelly aren’t competing? Like does it have to do with the event and who gets invited? Or they decided not to do it?
Thanks for shedding some light on this matter, and good on ya for speaking up. Don’t apologise for it.
Didn’t make sense that John and Kelly wouldn’t surf empty pipe.
Kinda does now. 👊
Good for you brotha! Appreciate your honestly and transparency. Mad respect
Thanks for this Koa appreciate your honesty. We need a part 2
you might agree or not with Koa, but his honesty is so great to see
It will be even better to hear Stabs response. They are so vocal on everything topical that surfers of note bring up. They also pretty much ignored that all the top guys pulled out of the event. Well done Koa for bringing it up!
They IGNORED John2x and Kelly Pulling out but threw the Brazilians under the Bus as quickly as they could.
Beachgrit is superior.
@@jacksonesq2778 stab are pretty much running the event with Vans though
@@MaxPower1234 The point is that the Beachgrit site is much more real than Stab.
@@jacksonesq2778 wasn't arguing that. I just brought up Stab originally because I find it interesting if they talk about the stars withdrawal from their own event. If it was another event they would slate it
As a foreigner, I at least know it's not up to someone like me to dictate how gems like pipe and its (actual) surfers are celebrated. If it wasn't for content from you / other locals like you that exposed me to surfing's roots, I probably wouldn't have realized that. Thank you for your content, and thank you for speaking up. I'm a guy from New York who fell in love with surfing, and who will never have the ethos that you have over the direction that surf culture goes in; Please don't let the guys in suits win. They don't see that beauty, they only see their quarterly bonus. Thank you for recognizing your power over these issues in surfing, and thank you for using your influence to do something about it.
Such a legendary event and sad to see the changes. Well put Koa!
Still stoked to see the local legends out there getting barreled !!!!
Thanks for speaking out about this. As a fan, it took a lot of online research to figure out what was even going on with the pipe comps this year. I am still not sure if it is affiliated with the wsl or not. It seems like very few wsl people are participating, which is confusing if it is a wsl event? Because of the format, I was worried it was replacing the shootout but I'm glad that's not the case! Agree, if the best pipe surfers aren't there the winner can't call themselves a Pipe Master. Kinda sucks.
One of the Best Feedback Videos on TH-cam. Honest with detailed reasoning but still with a level of respect.
Happy belated koa. All bs aside. Was heart warming to hear big bro shout you out during your heat. You’re his hero and you can tell he means it sincerely. Take care and I hope for the best come future events.
We definitely want a part two.
Thanks for being so honest on what the WSL is doing. They are basically taking the tradition of the Shootout and screwing it up (I think I have heard this story before if you know what I am talking about). The whole point of "Pipe Masters" is to see who can get the best barrels, now someone may possibly get to become a pipe master without ever getting covered.
Thanks for talking about it and sharing that perspective that most of these companies running these events don’t want us to know about Mets fans and consumers of these events. Most fans that watch this event will think it’s a normal pipe event
Much Respect Brotha! Glad you are representing the community.
No one is gonna sit on the shoulder and try airs if there’s barrels. Those guys like Craig are gonna go for tubes and then punt if they want to
Big big props to you koa for speaking everyone’s minds
This is amazing. Thanks for sharing. I just got into surfing not to long ago and its sad to see whats happened but you speaking up will hopefully bring some sort of change.
Paying respects to you and others who understand and care to preserve the uniqueness of the wave and the contest. It sucks when standards get watered down.
Good to see you speaking up and sharing yours and others opinions. Unfortunately its very typical of big companies coming in and 'borrowing' everything from contest formats, culture, landmarks, etc and branding it as their own. I 100% agree that it's not a Pipe Masters without the best surfers and the best Pipe surfers in the world competing for the title. Thats a true master and champion - beating the best! Keep charging Koa! Big respects :)
Can't agree more Koa, good on you for speaking up mate. Takes balls. It sucks that they turn it into an event that surfers like yourself are only surfing for the money and don't feel amped to give it thier all for the prestigious event that it should be.
Only surfing for the money, literally the definition of a sellout.
I stand with you and your family on this one Koa! Heavy respect kid🤙!!!
100% agree. When I first heard about it I thought "did they rename and reformat the backdoor shootout?" Hopefully this is the last time Wsl does this. Also very confusing with Wsl running the first event of the season next year. This seems more like a redbull one off event than the Pipe Masters.
I love how Koa just absolutely savagely rips the whole thing apart in his awesome lovable kind and polite way with no ego and still just honestly and matter of factly states but i will do it cos it a great payday. If it helps pay for more content go hard!
His family are famous for keeping it real and they have always had the courage to do what needs to be done and to say what needs to be said. Respect!
Always a back story…as an outsider to Hawaii and pipe, having followed and dreamed about surfing since I was a kid, mostly through magazines and hard to find videos…this whole thing was confusing and I was just thinking well, the shootout must be the main local event and WSL Pipe Masters in Jan must be the international one, but this my TH-cam friend, has shed a lot of light. Your love for surf and culture always comes through, especially on this vid. For what it’s worth, the contest was, weird, you nailed that. Pipe didn’t seem to support it either 😂 Stay WOKE, lol, that was funny, and yeah part 2 brah 🙌🙏 keep it poppin.
Thank you for speaking up, it's refreshing to hear what we know a lot of pros are thinking. Very well presented also.
Stoked to see you speaking the truth! We need more of this in the world. Not stoked on the change.
Totally agree! Pipe is for the end of the year and hopefully is deciding the world title. Don't mind the new format at lowers. But it should be held at pipeline.
Thanks for the honesty man! I always appreciate your take on the things. Hope they don’t get down on you for speaking your mind.
Word Koa. Thanks for being bold and bringing these issues to light! So well articulated. Mahalo.
Definitely one of the most authentic youtubers out there. Not afraid to speak his mind and doesn't care what the haters have to say. Keep it up!
Cuz daddy's surf gang will defend him.
That's the rothman way..his daddy ain't no punk lol 😂
@@rickybecklund2488 sure he is. Ever see him mess with anybody one on one? Nope.
Cry baby
You are a great voice for the surfers of the world, Koa, thank you!
Thanks for letting us ride along in the vehicle so we can see a different perspective than just a Beach shots and backyard trucks.
Good job Koa !!!!💯👍👍🤙🏻 being real is real!!!!
Vans and the WSL have a hard on for airs. I love a good air, but you can't force it. If you're not getting a killer barrel at Pipe/Backdoor, your score can only go so high.
I do love the Da Hui format though. Hope we see more of that with proper credit given.
I didn’t think WSL was sponsoring this comp at all, only vans and stab?
@@coopatroopa222 Not sure if they're involved or not. But they overscore airs in WSL comps all the time.
I've seen enough of CT guys in contest actually excited to see some other guys. Most of the new invitees charge. The part about scoring the air seems pretty dumb but it won't matter if the waves are pumping it will be all barrels so let's go!
Love your honesty man. Most importantly your perspective give us insight to the real. You’re the best KOA.
This is actually one of your best videos. You are a good ambassador
I like the way you explain things. Good luck at the Pipe Masters.
You’re brave to do this, and it will surely increase scrutiny over the administrators
DAMN WELL BETTER !
It is really hard to keep track of all of these changes going on with the pipe master, pipe pro, and triple crown.
Thank you Koa for your honest take. Keep the pipe master's as it should be. Hope you win it. Stay true.
Good that you spoke up about it. No one else has the balls
Speak out always! Although, he’s still be ing vague. Say fuck the WSL or fuck Stab, and say how you think it should be. This “they copied da hui” or blaming non pipe guys is a cop out.
@@j.mach1133 if you’re a teacher and 99 out of 100 of your students say “fuck off” to your homework assignment would you give the one kid who did it a “D”?
I respect that he said something at all
@@noBearAdventures biting the hand that feeds much? He’s saying I hate what they’re doing but I’m still going to do it for the money. Sell out #blenders #celcius
@@j.mach1133 I love moral YT warriors. I’m happy for you that you are gonna sit this Pipe Masters out bro. Good for you. Just flip a few more burgers. I’m sure you’ll make up for it in time. Lol. Mr. Moral HighGround here
@@noBearAdventures the irony! Kao is being the moral high ground youtuber, complaining about an event where he gets paid $$$ while at the same time making 30 videos a year about surfing pipe, getting paid off that, and basically inviting kooks to surf it because it’s the vlogger thing to do hahahahaha
Mahalo for sharing your insight on this, and WSL's judging criteria.
Great to see someone speaking up!! Kudos Koa!
Koa your the best so raw and honest please do another one video on this topic
If anything, this gives Da Hui contest more legitimacy to keeping true to some of the basics. That Pipeline is about the most critical choice, then drop, then composure and skill making it through, and whatever gravy you can top all that with when you finish the wave. Obviously if you throw a major air that is going to get scored along with the preceding skills. But Pipe is not an air wave and should never have that be a main or even secondary criteria. Great job Koa.
Koa, you are a leader in the surfing world and your opinion is respected amongst the decision makers. Use your voice for good and guide them towards the solutions that make it better. Surf community relies upon the athletes to steer them on course. Look out for them, and they will look out for you. Happy holidays and many blessings to the North Shore.
I had a channel this is exactly what I’d be sharing, well done Koa🙌🏼
Mahalo for bringing awareness to this situation. Best of luck to you
yea koa stand your ground! hopefully a local wins the event & sticks it to the man
Agree 100% with you Koa, this is NOT the Pipe Masters. Period.
Airs? Are you kidding me?
And the level of disrespect towards the locals and the shootout its baffling.
Thanks for your honesty man! I follow the channel since day 1, never have felt the urge to type a message as fast as this one. Keep up the good fight!
Well said brotha 🤜🏼💥🤛🏼 FYI The shootout is by far one of my favorite comps to go to. Keep up the grind!
Gotta love the honesty
Agree 100% Koa. If you want to do big airs and get big scores, do it at Lowers. After all, it's in the name of the event "The PIPE Masters" !!! Have a great event, Hope you do well. Aloha !!
Been watching the Da Hui Backdoor Shootout for the last few years. When the video stream is working good, it’s so much better than Pipe Masters. The commentary is great with local history and positive vibes flowing. The surfing is 100 (or 12) when it’s pumping, which it usually is.
Good for you man for speaking up but being polite. Roots man! Peace from San Diego!
Thank you for this video! Well be watching cheering for you bud.
I respect the courage to speak up and agree!!!
"courage"....lol
@@hewonyew no one else has the balls too🤷🤷
@@Closeoutgawd so brave
So stoked to hear someone stand up to big corp BS or whatever these organizations are.. props to you man.
Glad your speaking out Koa❤ you vids.
Yep I’m on page with this. Especially with him still participating. Love the honesty and opinion.
Well done Koa. Speak truth to power.
I love how authentic you are Koa! Thank you for sharing! I totally agree with every you said.
I LOVE that you shared this
Love your vids and watching comp right now from Australia. Understand your concerns about the format.
It may be different but im excited to see some freesurfers like craig anderson in it
Agreed. Glad the same old CT guys aren't in it. Don't care about the air thing though... If the waves are good it won't matter
STAY IN CALIFORNIA ! ' SIMPLE '
Just win it and use the money to start your own comp! I would love to watch a comp made by surfers instead of the mainstream WSL crap. I love watching all of your guys TH-cam channels so much more than any WSL event. Keep it up!
I just hope you guys get great waves and barrels!!!! Thanks for the candid insight however. Very interesting.
Well said! Great to hear these views shared from somebody actually in the event. Too often these days we only hear the narrative the event or corporation is pushing.
I like beer 🍺
Good on you for speaking the truth and holding people accountable. That’s really unfortunate news.Truthfully, I didn’t like it when they switched it to the first contest as opposed to the finale, there was nothing better than looking forward to Pipe to finish the season and crown a Champ.
‘Woke Pipe Masters’ hilarious
ShootOut wins; ‘Home grown contest by those that are The Home’
Thanks for the guidance
"Woke Pipe Master" - there's a t-shirt in that. Or "Let's all be Pipe Masters" ;-p
Haha, exactly! I would definitely buy that
Good for you much respect
I want a part 2! Got no questions, but just talk more about it!
Good for you voicing your opinion. Too many people don't have the balls. I wonder what's behind the changes.
Evolution
I've watched evolution for 63 years few things have evolved positively I'm afraid. But I'm a grumpy old timer so what do I know.
@@Sinar-c yeah my point exactly: Old timers can't do airs lol. The sport has evolved. Imagine a huge tube at pipe and then airing on the way out?
@@ericlazenby5984 The only air I would produce in that scenario would be my own as I shit my self. 😂😂😂
Interesting to hear your take. I wish you would have explained why these changes were made. I am a casual fan and it is confusing why these changes were made/why they would mess with the best surf contest in the world. Are you gonna compete in the CT Pipe comp?
the WSL condensed their year. The CT surfers want a longer amount of time off and the WSL wanted to save cost.
They changed it to encourage progression. At least that’s the way I see it. The other format wouldn’t give you any extra points for anything outside of getting tubed, which is fine but why not have one of these events where we do get to see something different, and new faces. Something a little different…
@@sctim123 yes, but don’t call it the pipe masters.
What @Jason said. I want to know who the overlords pulling the strings are. The cynic in me says big boards, big airs, big ad revenue.
Or - They’ve given the reigns to a gregarious young superfan who’s convinced the “Board of Directors” they have their fingers on the pulse of society, yet they were raised watching peers tear down statues and they are subconsciously following suit… hahaha
@@sctim123 I think Italo is responsible after pulling out of a barrel back door and throwing a mutant no-grab inverted reverse. Airs like that should be scored are no-brainers, but the best air shouldn’t be valued as high as the best barrel in the event. It’s about respecting the sanctity in the tradition. Showing gratitude for the marvel of Pipeline. It’s what made it unique and interesting really. I guarantee you Noa Deane is an invitee. Yup! Bahah, Will it be a crass commercial Red Bull air show?
I hope you win 🏆
Good on you for being real & honest.
Great honest content, straight from the heart.
Thanks Koa you nailed my feelings completely. Pipe is not an airwave and it’s mystifying why Vans felt they needed to hype it as one.
True story dude!
Good for you for speaking your mind!
Nobody can hate on you for that!!
Pipe masters has its name for a reason.
Would be stoked to see everyone come together and NOT DO A SINGLE AIR!
RESPECT THE NAME AND MOST OF ALL RESPECT THE WAVE😎🤙🤙
YES!!! Eternal shame befalls on anyone who pulls or tries to pull an air!!! Bahahahaha
EXACTLY !!
Only constant is change. Bunch of cry babies over here
Brave words you’re laying out there. I dig the honesty. I’m from cali…so yeah I’m just an arm chair guy watching north shore on your stream…but I rarely see the top guys going for air there. I’d pretty much just trust your view on the changes. Guys like you would know what’s best. Sorry man…I can see it’s hitting you hard.
Gotta back my bro Koa…hope you make cash.
At this point, all I have to say is thank you. I appreciate you Koa. I am going to be the dude that buys a breadstick and hangs now…