@@KoaRothman Agree with everything but the leash. Sure, if it’s crowded and/or the waves and beach type (rocky) require it I’m leashed but if it’s beach break and uncrowded I’m unleashing every time. Also, heaps of Puero Escondido surfers go leashless as they notice they break more boards with a leash. But, yeah, in the context of surfing Country leashes are pretty much the jam.
San Clemente, CA surfer of 24 years here. This list made me feel warm and fuzzy in my chest cavity it it so universally true. The only "do" I would modify for SoCal is number four the "wear a leash" part which is completely true except to say there are longboarders who specifically have the skill to not need a leash and a leash interferes with walking the board but if you are one of these dudes you already know your one of these and don't have to ask, otherwise just wear a f#@$ing leash. And the only don't I'd change is number three for obvious applicability. Don't surf Lowers! 😂🤣😅 (same reasons)
Definitely know what the swell is doing, I didn't on Kauai and got stuck on the outside for several hours in the early 90's, scared the fark out of me! ~ 🤣🤣
i love the North Shore. i was lucky to be able live there for 15 years. I wish he would have said to guys that have never been there : Go catch the crumbs, they are better than any waves wherever you are from. i’m not saying always, when and if the crowd is right work yourself out and get a few bombs. So many days there are plenty of waves even for the guys sitting on the corners.
Well said Koa 👏 One thing id add in is DO apologise ... as we all get it wrong but it makes the biggest difference to people if you hold your hand up shout sorry and then everyone can enjoy the rest of their surf.
My experience as a Puerto Rican surfing in Puerto Rico is that every of the DON'TS that Koa mentioned like snaking, paddle around, etc locals do it to other people. I don't know if this happens more than often in other parts of the world but its crazy. Also locals don't respect locals.
100% agree! The problem is that they're assh*les with locals as well. It's kind of a badtrip cause it damage the experience even if the problem is not with you directly. @@KoaRothman
That is the unfortunate reality of waves being a scarce commodity, live with it or move on. I usually move on since i am in it for the fun, not to be around angry people.
@@sacredgeometrees when you surf as good as Koa or anyone else in his squad, you get waves. When Koa shows up to "wherever he goes" aka 15ft tubes, he's not going to blow waves and the local guys will most likely want to trade waves with him because he rips and isn't an a**hole. If you rip hard and have a good attitude, chances are you'll get waves at most spots.
Yep. I was carrying a Wavestorm on a 6-8 ft (Hawaiian Scale) day at Laniakea to go surfing. The lifeguard asked "Are you going out today?" I said, "Yeah." He then said, "Hey, I'm not trying to hassle you!" in a defensive tone. I was surprised at his response, but I think maybe I came off as smug. He likely thought I was a tourist kook (which I am sorta) but my confident response changed his perception of me. I paddled out and gave up after 5 minutes. The current was just too gnarly.
I like this. Makua is a classic example of how I know Hawaiians. My step-grandfathers, one from Kauai, Meheula, died after Korean war. and later one from Honolulu, Pohaku. The later grandfather drove Geyhound, then Greyline tours for 37 years out of Rainbow Towers, Hale Koa Hotel area. My Grandma would send me a ticket to visit and surf between '77-'79 Grandpa Stone would take me and my board to work and drop me off at a beach, Sandy Beach, Makaha, Waimea. And pick me up after tour. My Grandma eventual move to the Kapiolani Manor, 12th floor. I could just see Kaisers between the high-rise hotels. Kaisers became my spot. Learned to surf backside there, right into the bowl! I had a 7'6 Skip Frye rounded pin, single box fin.🤙😎
I know that it's kind of covered in 3 or 4 of of the topics but should be talked about. Craft doesn't give you priority. The same rules apply even if you sit in different areas. IE. Longboard vs shortboard, vs bodyboard etc. They all take off in slightly different areas as their craft is suited for different things. That is something that needs to be in your mind esp if you're able to take off earlier than everyone and sit further out (LB) or inside and deeper (boog).
I agree, however there's been many times when I've seen people miss a lot of waves because they're on the wrong equipment. If you're missing waves on a tiny board in soft and/or small waves IMO you're out of the rotation.
there are two ways to learn this stuff... thank you Koa, you are offering the far easer way. (both ways involve humility, but one way you choose to be humble and the other way it is impressed upon you).
#9 When you paddle out to the line up for the first time and they give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a wave and you blow the take off or fail to catch it and waste a perfectly good wave you have just lost your right to a wave status. After that they will show no mercy and you will not be given any waves. You have to prove your worth on that first wave otherwise it's over!
I want to add another DON'T DO to your list. If you come to an open beach break and you see someone sitting on a peak, Don't paddle out to them. Find your own peak to surf try to spread out. Nothing says, "I am a total kook and don't know what I am doing," more than when you paddle up to someone else on a beach break somewhere when the whole beach is open. Happens so often beginners want to paddle right up next to someone else and fuck up their session.
This one is tough... often surfers are drawn to the area where others are catching waves, its natural. Same time, you can work a very good 2-3-4 surfer rotation on sets. What I would say though is... if you see a crew of 2-3-4 rotating and catching waves, dont crash their party. Too many is not cool... but its ok to join a solo session surfer, IMO
Often there's a bank at one spot on a beach which is literally the only place anyone can catch a wave. What's the point in paddling off to a spot where no waves are breaking? Say hi to the guy, be respectful and friendly and don't drop in on him, but the waves will come in sets of 4,5 or more, he can't be on every wave.
@@jakelesnake4927 Yeah it's situational. Sometimes there is no second or third option. But for sure if there's other empty banks to be had nearby, go there.
Let's face it, the dude that paddles straight out and grabs the first wave that comes is the same mf that snakes everyone. Every spot has one, in my experience..
haven't been to the north shore in years (not since 2001) but I think one of the issues visiting surfers face is "respect" can be defined differently wherever you go. I had no problems there but I was in good company and easily could've done something wrong without realising it even with many years of surfing experience. I got quite a few grumpy looks surfing some out of the way spots on Oahu. I also had some of the best hospitality ever and was really looked after. I suspect there are spots left in Hawaii where "respect" means "tourists don't surf here" and you may get pounded for just being an outsider. my rules are be low key, no camera, give the locals plenty of space and all the waves they want, resist your urge to paddle for the same waves even if you're just backing them up, be friendly but not too friendly, don't turn up in groups, if you get a chance at a set wave go, don't say shit if you're burnt or dropped in on, don't act like prey haha.
Kudos to start the video with shout out to life guards. Respect is a two way street. Plenty of locals without Aloha drop in on others even on uncrowded peaks. It’s always good to get a feel for the lineup and be respectful but if you’re in position, it’s your wave and no one should drop in on you. Surf with stoke for others and live aloha both in and out of the water.
@@AlohaTrev gotta respect the fact that locals' spots get overrun by tourists and as a local you wanna get away from that. Find a quiet spot and it happens again, aloha can take a hit. Or the intruder.
I get that this comment is already flawed. But I’d like to point out - “don’t surf pipe” - makes 99% of his videos about publicising how good pipe is xD
I can't think of another sport where people can just hit anotherprofessional athletes court,track etc just because they want to or feel like it. So Don't surf Pipe ! Especially in the winter season
@@jennifuzz3316 I was on the North Shore from the mid-'70s to mid-'80s surfed every spot but Pipeline, when I saw how tight the lineup was and how fierce the competition was for a wave...Oh Hell No...On #4 know the swell, we had storm conditions for 3 or 4 days in a row, I was living at Rockey Point, keeping my eye on it when I realized that it had gotten surfable I was first out the rest stay on the beach to see if I was going to get cleaned up...I got 3 waves at RP by myself...SWEEET
@@jennifuzz3316sorry, this is a dumb comment. If you’re an advanced surfer and want to surf Pipe it’s fair game. No one owns it. Just be respectful and don’t be a dick out there. It’s like telling a legit skilled basketball player they can’t play pickup ball at certain court that they’re visiting with other high level players. Cut the territorial bullshit.
@@jennifuzz3316 Really? Mountains are free and any line you can see you can ride if you can get to it. Survival of the fittest like the North Shore without the never ending ego flex.
Thank you for posting this!!! I notice its hard to get too political with surfing rules nowadays just because of the sheer amount of people taking up surfing as their new hobby. As much as it much sucks, sharing and being patient is the best way for people to have fun. So many countless times I see people taking every wave and not sharing and it really ruins the whole sport. Which brings me to RULE #9 which would be to: Have Fun. If you’re not having fun, then either someones taking all the waves, or its just too crowded.
So excited for the upcoming El Niño swells 🤙🤙🤙 Glad to see you and Nathan healing up. God bless you guys hope you have a good day and as always thanks for sharing with us and making it feel like we are tagging along 🤙✝️❤️
Eventually when I get there one day. I will be just fine safely watching you guys do your thing from the beach while enjoying it with my nice meal from the Sunrise Shack! Lol but thank you sir!
So I get it. But get this, I take any wave thats mine, i surf where I want when i want, sometimes people get hurt accidently taking off around me, sometimes they hurt me falling and eating shit, and sometimes Ive sued other surfers. Other than that I'm good thanks! Outside of the waterline is public property, i believe.
What about a "do" or "don't" if you yourself get snaked, dropped in on, etc.? Should you lose your shit, start throwing punches, break their board? Seriously, mistakes get made, or some folks might just think it's their turn and go. It's not uncommon where a guy knows they've screwed up, apologizes, and still the 'victim" cannot control themselves. What's the right way to handle it and is the North Shore any different from anywhere else?
I remember my 2nd December on the NS in 1995. I was 15. Donnie Solomon was going to drown in 4 days from what I'm going to touch on(RIP Donnie). I had a 7'10" and was watching the bay barely breaking by bay standards. It was 12-15' real scale. I was a very strong swimmer/paddler and just wanted to go watch from the channel. I was in the corner and I guess the guard had seen me thinking about it. As I got up to run in between sets he yelled on his megaphone "dont even think about it with that board especially!" haha i was so embarrassed i tucked tail and split from the Bay. Sunset was better that afternoon anyways. I was born at Kapiolani Children's Hospital but am no way a Hawaiian lol.
I mean for God’s sake it’s like someone who cuts in front of you to talk to a girl and then chickens out and doesn’t ask her out, though he wants to. Very bad form.
Koa: The way you stated the Do's and Don'ts was the key to this video. You weren't hostile and mean about it, and it's good knowledge for all surfers to know about.
Im all about being respectful when going to a new break but at what point do you have to just go for it because seems like alot of times locals will catch 5 in a row and never call you in or give you a nod.
You don’t need to wait for a local’s nod or get called in. If you know what you’re doing and respectfully wait your turn, you just need to go if you’re in position. There comes a point where being too timid or paranoid about “offending” locals becomes annoying to everyone and counterproductive.
Of course he said don't surf Pipeline. I knew he was gonna say that. This video kind of makes me want to snake or drop in on him to see if tries to beat me up. 😂
Spent many a day surfing Oahu. In the late 80's early 90's it was a heavy local scene. Wave etiquette is great, depending on those in the line up. After having local friends...that were known and sponsored, cleared a lot of hastles and hurdles. Really takes time to earn a spot and respect in the water. No one is perfect and you're bound to drop in on someone...happens...apologize, move on. Jerks everwhere...don't be one! Great advice Koa!
I wonder if we would recognize each other. I surfed the north shore from 87 to 95. Mostly I would hit Uppers after work but also gravitated to a few other spots between Haleiwa and Waimea.
Serious question, where's the best place to sit at your non-home break when visiting? I'll usually hang out on the shoulder and then move up the point as others catch waves (except for the wave hog who paddles around everyone no matter what), but wonder if that's correct Another serious question: how's the current on north shore when it's 6-10ft Hawaiian versus your trip to the outer banks? Also love videos like this, keep it up brah 🤙🏾
Sit confidently as the widest person and make quite sure they see you doing that, watch and enjoy their waves, when it is your turn, them knowing you waited, it is likely, but not guaranteed they will respect you doing that as you move up the queue. if you are not going to make the wave, don't be surfing that spot. For wave hog paddle, around you, lowlife MF snakes, stare them right in the eye and turn your head and body towards them. As they paddle around you without saying a thing . So you are are metaphorically saying " what the f are you doing" in any language! lol Likely they will not do it again! Good luck.
Do offer to buy locals a round or two drinks (or have a 12 pack on ice) after your session. Most likely they’ll bring you out the next day or so & let you get more waves. Hell you may make lifetime friends.
Great to see some opinion and your perspective on what’s acceptable and not. The behavioural aspects of sports generally aren’t often discussed from an inside perspective and I think it’s a positive thing for people to put some context around wanting to get involved and what it really takes to
Do’s- only buy boards directly from your local shapers, they know what works for the breaks and you’re supporting local businesses Do’s- Where sunscreen every season, skin cancer is real. Do’s- wear ear plugs in the winter, surfers ear is real and expensive. (Nor Cal) Do’s- Teach the groms by example, surfing is a way of life not a sport. Do’s- go easy on the boogs, they’re fun alternative while recovering from a blownout mcl. Don’ts- don’t surf to impress women, they don’t care. Surf to have fun. Don’ts- ride a soft top, have some self respect. Don’ts- be a poser, if you talk for long enough we know….
If locals respect me i will respect them, unfortunately i have had many bad experiences. I will always do my best to respect everyone. (Not talking about Hawaii region). Great do's and don'ts non the less!
Great Video Koa and the only orher 3 things i can think of is 1 Sunscreen and 2 maybe some kind of first aid kit if you get scratched up on the reef. 3 DONT GO ALONE! At least have someone on the beach keeping an eye out for you. Love your videos and keep up the great content! P.s. Hows the breadstick sales going? Keep us updated!
Combining several don'ts...Don't be a dick! You will always be remembered as that person who everyone avoids. Common courtesy goes along ways. Especially if you are not local. Locals are more likely to give advice and let you get waves if you are someone who shows respect and easy to talk to.
We have to teach them.... .Good work Koa. Hopefully it will help with all the major kooking going on here at the inlet in Volusia county 🙏 need to let them know if they see a good surfer watch from a distance if they want to learn not paddle to peak and start flailing
I wish beginners understood priority, at all. Far too many beginners in the impact zone trying to catch a reform or the white wash. They just look straight ahead and paddle, never looking right or left. People buy Costco foamers and just paddle out and create chaos. Then, when they get yelled at, they cop an attitude of arrogance or basically don't care! Trophy kids and adults alike. This b.s. is everywhere in and out of the water.
Well, NOBODY ever sets them straight! Too afraid of being called a Karen or a Boomer or Ken or Grandpa. Get off my lawn! People with age or wisdom or knowledge used to correct other people all the time! I miss those days. I remember when cops used to just yell at you “Hey! Get out of the street! You’re jaywalking. Do you want a ticket?!” Can you even imagine that happening now? Not in Seattle where I live. Somebody would start crying or a lawsuit, LOL.
you guys should put on a yearly event where experienced amatuer surfers from all over the world who have dreamed of surfing pipe but are wary of the crowds / locals etc can get a chance to get a few waves during a timed "heat" could be competition or expression session, but would bring lots of tourist dollars and would honestly probably be a really fun thing to do a webcast for, I'm sure people would watch. Sign up ahead of time, entrance fee, week holding period, 1-2 days of surfing, 4-6 man heats. Call it the Pipe Joe.
A clueless kook getting kicked out of the water for pissing people off or for being dangerous teaches them far more about surfing than that two weeks at a surf school in Bali/Costa Rica etc ever will - good localism is essential to the future of surfing
I'm not a surfer, but do love all your videos and have always enjoyed watching those on the big North Shore waves. I was on Oahu a couple weeks ago and had time to get up to the North Shore for an afternoon and walk on Pipe and Waimea beaches. Flat as it was, now I can imagine the winter waves. I think this video transcends surfing and pertains to life in general. Just respect each other and each others cultures. 🤙
Another good DO for new spots, spend an about an hour picking up trash off the beach as a warmup. The locals will see it and hook you up with waves most the time. ..Works the same at skate parks too, especially if you bring a broom and sweep.
I got struck by a fair amount of panic and anxiety in France just this month. As an ex skater/nube surfer i was going into some pretty big waves like 5 to 6ft steep waves. I got the hang of popping up and balance is not such a big deal but i can't yet take a direction.. just keep surfing in a straight line. But it was fun eating sh*t and taking one of those waves. But the swell got bigger and it had a huge beach break. Got caught behind the beach break getting sucked into a little over 2m steep walls.... Got spewed out eventually onto a pebble beach..; damaged my board. I remained calm but afterwards i was cringing for 3 days... Thanks for all the tips.... i think i know my limits now... lol.
As a beginner surfer, I’m gonna be going out there in the regular so it was nice to find something that’s easy to understand, thankfully I’m friends with some locals in North Shore who I’ll be surfing with and showing me the ropes. And yes I’ve already taken lessons but I’m gonna take a couple more - mahalo!
DO.. follow all these rules.. hes holding back on what really happens if not.. jus being honest.. I seen alot of guys get rolled up ( beat up badly ) right in the line up.. and even worse paddle in to get even more from the braddahs onshore. So just a friendly but real tip from someone born n raised here.. Even tho i feel for the one getting cracks.. its pretty much like how we grew up in HI.. tough love.. its just really dangerous on NS. Jus practice town and west couple years.. best advice. Prob not the best idea to start at north shore
Love your list great video and well needed..... todays surfers have 0 respect or have paid their dues .....bring back wolfpack, pipeline posse , black shorts need new crew to regulate
Koa is The best surfer TH-cam channel. He inspires me to surf good or bad conditions. Been surfing Mission beach for three years. This winter will be my first on the north shore. Hope to see you in the water
All of the advice is great. I really appreciate #9 and #10 Do's. I have gone on trips with close friends that took a lot of time, effort, and hard earned $$$$ to put together, and once we score a decent wave at least one friend (usually two) are so frothing that they just turn into these wave hog mutants. I've actually loaned boards to one of them, and he still hogs while he's on my board! Then there is the "Are you going, are you going" in your face tactic. Seriously, why do you think I'm here? Once we pull up to a spot, and there are other guys or girls on the peak, I always tell my hog friends to just relax, give those out at the peak 15-20 minutes before you paddle out, and don't go straight to the peak. Set up your beach gear, drink some water, stretch, shoot the shit, whatever, just don't paddle straight out. They've seen you pull up. They know you are here. Be cool. THEY NEVER LISTEN and then get frustrated with the bad vibe THAT THEY CREATED! I might have to make them watch this video! Finally, trash on the California coast has gotten way out of hand. I've seen people leave old Weber kettles and all the BBQ trash behind on the beach. F-------K! What is wrong with these people? And rangers along my coast aren't allowed to enforce anything. Just suggest. How about I leave that sh-----t on your front porch? I am not exaggerating here, so thanks Koa. Hopefully the message gets out. Great video. Side note: Saw some really ignorant folks ignore the lifeguards at Sandy Beach one day. After three warnings, a very tactful lifeguard, over his bullhorn, in full Hawaiian accent, loud enough for all to hear, told them in no uncertain terms, to find another beach. Woke them up finally.
I reckon theres a case for a social step backwards here in the UK. Breaks are getting more and more crowded here with surf cams everywhere now.. everyone piling in when its half decent getting in the way and paddling for waves they're never gonna catch. Totally clueless about the line up etiquette and it seems to just be ok now. Maybe we should bring back a bit of 80's 90's educating and calling people out.. stop these drop ins, collisions and sense of entitlements...
Honestly, you were losing me as a subscriber because the content was dissipating, seemingly you appeared passionless/distracted, and of recent, your video titles and thumbnails became 'clickbait'. These educational video, however, I sincerely appreciate and respect. Cut out the noise and focus on content that relates to us. I am hooked again...for now.
Don't panic is the best advice, may seem a little bit stupid at first, as saying "bruh no stress" to a guy that has a big exam. But forcing yourself by breathing very calmly, having a relaxed mind, going under the waves, all that will ensure that you won't do shit like trying to outspeed a wave, getting hit on the head without any air in the lungs etc .. I say that to friends in the water, after some time, some of them ended up understanding that, now they are not that afraid to take a beating because they know that if they stay calm, it'll be alllllright(just remind yourself that you are at the mercy of the ocean, kinda zeus vs a wasp)
All good advice. Can you come down to Waikiki and tell people to wear a leash? I see some of the better surfers go without one and it drives me crazy. It's great that you're confident enough as a swimmer that you feel like you don't need it, but it's not about you. Your board becomes an unguided missile when you wipe out. Consider the safety of others in the lineup.
Don’t paddle on the shoulder when someone is inside of you and paddling. If you paddle for a wave and miss go to the end of the line (Brazilians) Don’t even turn for a wave unless it’s your turn and you’re going If people followed his list and these everyone would be stoked all the time..
great video if i can add a dont? Dont travel to a foreign country without travel insurance with 1st world standard medical coverage. medivac and hospital bills can be outrageously expensive... let the travel insurance pay them
Don't screw up and think that apologizing is the answer. You need to not get in the way in the first place. You do that by thinking ahead of time what peak you are going for (if a beach break) and how to stay out of the riding zone. And if your arms are out of shape, don't go out in waves too big for your boat engine (your endurance).
Great show! Please do i scientist view of "How Pipeline Works" physics, the reef topography, underwater vies of the 3 reef shelfs to show where the emery hits the reef and then manifest into the best wave in the world! Thanks brother
As an old retired surfer…this was a great video. My favorite part was your disdain for people speeding in residential neighborhoods.
I share that disdain, as a father of a 6 year old boy, and owner of a puppy…
Thank you. Glad you liked the video!
@@KoaRothman Agree with everything but the leash. Sure, if it’s crowded and/or the waves and beach type (rocky) require it I’m leashed but if it’s beach break and uncrowded I’m unleashing every time.
Also, heaps of Puero Escondido surfers go leashless as they notice they break more boards with a leash.
But, yeah, in the context of surfing Country leashes are pretty much the jam.
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@@eganc1976 Huh🤔🤷🏼♂️
Koa is so well mannered. Sincere honest I think an Empath . But a world class athlete . Such a easy brother to root for .
Great vid! But you missed the most important don’t. “When the wave breaks here, don’t be there. Or you’re gonna get drilled.” 😂🤙
San Clemente, CA surfer of 24 years here. This list made me feel warm and fuzzy in my chest cavity it it so universally true. The only "do" I would modify for SoCal is number four the "wear a leash" part which is completely true except to say there are longboarders who specifically have the skill to not need a leash and a leash interferes with walking the board but if you are one of these dudes you already know your one of these and don't have to ask, otherwise just wear a f#@$ing leash.
And the only don't I'd change is number three for obvious applicability. Don't surf Lowers! 😂🤣😅 (same reasons)
Definitely know what the swell is doing, I didn't on Kauai and got stuck on the outside for several hours in the early 90's, scared the fark out of me! ~ 🤣🤣
I literally would do a free day of work to never see this guys face or breath the same air as him when he’s underground
i love the North Shore. i was lucky to be able live there for 15 years. I wish he would have said to guys that have never been there :
Go catch the crumbs, they are better than any waves wherever you are from. i’m not saying always, when and if the crowd is right work yourself out and get a few bombs. So many days there are plenty of waves even for the guys sitting on the corners.
Amazing video!!
It would be interesting how you analyse what break that you choose to surf & why Koa 🤙
what a KOOK ! (i've never touch a surfboard of my life)
Well said Koa 👏
One thing id add in is DO apologise ... as we all get it wrong but it makes the biggest difference to people if you hold your hand up shout sorry and then everyone can enjoy the rest of their surf.
My experience as a Puerto Rican surfing in Puerto Rico is that every of the DON'TS that Koa mentioned like snaking, paddle around, etc locals do it to other people. I don't know if this happens more than often in other parts of the world but its crazy. Also locals don't respect locals.
The locals have the right of way no matter where you are in the world. if you travel to someones home break you give way to them
@@KoaRothman and you do that wherever you go? Not a chance. You are duplicitous.
100% agree! The problem is that they're assh*les with locals as well. It's kind of a badtrip cause it damage the experience even if the problem is not with you directly. @@KoaRothman
That is the unfortunate reality of waves being a scarce commodity, live with it or move on. I usually move on since i am in it for the fun, not to be around angry people.
@@sacredgeometrees when you surf as good as Koa or anyone else in his squad, you get waves. When Koa shows up to "wherever he goes" aka 15ft tubes, he's not going to blow waves and the local guys will most likely want to trade waves with him because he rips and isn't an a**hole. If you rip hard and have a good attitude, chances are you'll get waves at most spots.
The lifeguards can spot a full kook just the way they carry the board on the beach, loved that!
I carry my board on my head, fins down over my neck. Leg rope as a choker.
Yep. I was carrying a Wavestorm on a 6-8 ft (Hawaiian Scale) day at Laniakea to go surfing. The lifeguard asked "Are you going out today?" I said, "Yeah." He then said, "Hey, I'm not trying to hassle you!" in a defensive tone. I was surprised at his response, but I think maybe I came off as smug. He likely thought I was a tourist kook (which I am sorta) but my confident response changed his perception of me. I paddled out and gave up after 5 minutes. The current was just too gnarly.
They really can HAHAHA
HAHA this is the way @@botaccount3449
@@jzen1455 lesson learnt the aloha way.. better than them putting you in a chokehold spitting in your face "No you won't" ☠
Amazing that we still have to tell adults - Don't Litter.
Buncha lazy idiots that litter.. I always pack out everything even when I’m on huge hikes or camping in the backcountry
I like this. Makua is a classic example of how I know Hawaiians. My step-grandfathers, one from Kauai, Meheula, died after Korean war. and later one from Honolulu, Pohaku. The later grandfather drove Geyhound, then Greyline tours for 37 years out of Rainbow Towers, Hale Koa Hotel area. My Grandma would send me a ticket to visit and surf between '77-'79 Grandpa Stone would take me and my board to work and drop me off at a beach, Sandy Beach, Makaha, Waimea. And pick me up after tour. My Grandma eventual move to the Kapiolani Manor, 12th floor. I could just see Kaisers between the high-rise hotels. Kaisers became my spot. Learned to surf backside there, right into the bowl! I had a 7'6 Skip Frye rounded pin, single box fin.🤙😎
Lucky you braddah!
Good memories.
Amazing!
I know that it's kind of covered in 3 or 4 of of the topics but should be talked about. Craft doesn't give you priority. The same rules apply even if you sit in different areas. IE. Longboard vs shortboard, vs bodyboard etc. They all take off in slightly different areas as their craft is suited for different things. That is something that needs to be in your mind esp if you're able to take off earlier than everyone and sit further out (LB) or inside and deeper (boog).
I agree, however there's been many times when I've seen people miss a lot of waves because they're on the wrong equipment. If you're missing waves on a tiny board in soft and/or small waves IMO you're out of the rotation.
there are two ways to learn this stuff... thank you Koa, you are offering the far easer way. (both ways involve humility, but one way you choose to be humble and the other way it is impressed upon you).
Glad you liked it!
#9 When you paddle out to the line up for the first time and they give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a wave and you blow the take off or fail to catch it and waste a perfectly good wave you have just lost your right to a wave status. After that they will show no mercy and you will not be given any waves.
You have to prove your worth on that first wave otherwise it's over!
Crucial. Absolutely key point.
Lol u surf idiots crack me up
@@Kc-wx8qnif you surf you will understand
According to Pyzel, you DONT talk about Rocky Pt firing. :) Much love guys!! Great content.
I like that you just spelt out the rules real clear. I feel like it is sometimes hard for beginners to even know what the rules are
haha I tried to be very helpful
Make tourists watch this vid..
I want to add another DON'T DO to your list. If you come to an open beach break and you see someone sitting on a peak, Don't paddle out to them. Find your own peak to surf try to spread out. Nothing says, "I am a total kook and don't know what I am doing," more than when you paddle up to someone else on a beach break somewhere when the whole beach is open. Happens so often beginners want to paddle right up next to someone else and fuck up their session.
Unless it barreling…
This one is tough... often surfers are drawn to the area where others are catching waves, its natural. Same time, you can work a very good 2-3-4 surfer rotation on sets. What I would say though is... if you see a crew of 2-3-4 rotating and catching waves, dont crash their party. Too many is not cool... but its ok to join a solo session surfer, IMO
Often there's a bank at one spot on a beach which is literally the only place anyone can catch a wave. What's the point in paddling off to a spot where no waves are breaking? Say hi to the guy, be respectful and friendly and don't drop in on him, but the waves will come in sets of 4,5 or more, he can't be on every wave.
@@jakelesnake4927 Yeah it's situational. Sometimes there is no second or third option. But for sure if there's other empty banks to be had nearby, go there.
Let's face it, the dude that paddles straight out and grabs the first wave that comes is the same mf that snakes everyone. Every spot has one, in my experience..
haven't been to the north shore in years (not since 2001) but I think one of the issues visiting surfers face is "respect" can be defined differently wherever you go. I had no problems there but I was in good company and easily could've done something wrong without realising it even with many years of surfing experience. I got quite a few grumpy looks surfing some out of the way spots on Oahu. I also had some of the best hospitality ever and was really looked after. I suspect there are spots left in Hawaii where "respect" means "tourists don't surf here" and you may get pounded for just being an outsider. my rules are be low key, no camera, give the locals plenty of space and all the waves they want, resist your urge to paddle for the same waves even if you're just backing them up, be friendly but not too friendly, don't turn up in groups, if you get a chance at a set wave go, don't say shit if you're burnt or dropped in on, don't act like prey haha.
Respect is everything no matter where you go!
Kudos to start the video with shout out to life guards. Respect is a two way street. Plenty of locals without Aloha drop in on others even on uncrowded peaks. It’s always good to get a feel for the lineup and be respectful but if you’re in position, it’s your wave and no one should drop in on you. Surf with stoke for others and live aloha both in and out of the water.
@@AlohaTrev gotta respect the fact that locals' spots get overrun by tourists and as a local you wanna get away from that. Find a quiet spot and it happens again, aloha can take a hit. Or the intruder.
I get that this comment is already flawed. But I’d like to point out - “don’t surf pipe” - makes 99% of his videos about publicising how good pipe is xD
Koa and his buddies are professionals and have priority at pipe. If you’ve never surfed pipe and aren’t from north shore, don’t even bother trying
I can't think of another sport where people can just hit anotherprofessional athletes court,track etc just because they want to or feel like it. So Don't surf Pipe ! Especially in the winter season
@@jennifuzz3316 I was on the North Shore from the mid-'70s to mid-'80s surfed every spot but Pipeline, when I saw how tight the lineup was and how fierce the competition was for a wave...Oh Hell No...On #4 know the swell, we had storm conditions for 3 or 4 days in a row, I was living at Rockey Point, keeping my eye on it when I realized that it had gotten surfable I was first out the rest stay on the beach to see if I was going to get cleaned up...I got 3 waves at RP by myself...SWEEET
@@jennifuzz3316sorry, this is a dumb comment. If you’re an advanced surfer and want to surf Pipe it’s fair game. No one owns it. Just be respectful and don’t be a dick out there. It’s like telling a legit skilled basketball player they can’t play pickup ball at certain court that they’re visiting with other high level players. Cut the territorial bullshit.
@@jennifuzz3316 Really? Mountains are free and any line you can see you can ride if you can get to it. Survival of the fittest like the North Shore without the never ending ego flex.
I really enjoyed this one man! It taught me that I’ve been snaking people at my local spot for a very long time 😂
Don’t forget to say hi to people 🤙🏾
You should of got Uncle Eddy to tell us the don’ts 😂 that would’ve been classic
This
lol...
damn really dropped the ball on that one lol
@@KoaRothman Would love to see the OGs share some.
👺🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for posting this!!!
I notice its hard to get too political with surfing rules nowadays just because of the sheer amount of people taking up surfing as their new hobby. As much as it much sucks, sharing and being patient is the best way for people to have fun. So many countless times I see people taking every wave and not sharing and it really ruins the whole sport. Which brings me to
RULE #9 which would be to:
Have Fun.
If you’re not having fun, then either someones taking all the waves, or its just too crowded.
I really like that rule HAVE FUN!
So excited for the upcoming El Niño swells 🤙🤙🤙 Glad to see you and Nathan healing up. God bless you guys hope you have a good day and as always thanks for sharing with us and making it feel like we are tagging along 🤙✝️❤️
Me to I cast wait!
Well said! These rules of etiquette should be posted at every beach, surf shop, and especially taught at the surf schools that you mentioned.
Don’t drop in on bodyboarders just cause you think surfings “cooler”
Don’t speed through the Haleiwa parking lot while kids are playing then get butt hurt when somebody calls you out on it cause your iced out
Eventually when I get there one day. I will be just fine safely watching you guys do your thing from the beach while enjoying it with my nice meal from the Sunrise Shack! Lol but thank you sir!
So I get it. But get this, I take any wave thats mine, i surf where I want when i want, sometimes people get hurt accidently taking off around me, sometimes they hurt me falling and eating shit, and sometimes Ive sued other surfers. Other than that I'm good thanks!
Outside of the waterline is public property, i believe.
What about a "do" or "don't" if you yourself get snaked, dropped in on, etc.? Should you lose your shit, start throwing punches, break their board? Seriously, mistakes get made, or some folks might just think it's their turn and go. It's not uncommon where a guy knows they've screwed up, apologizes, and still the 'victim" cannot control themselves. What's the right way to handle it and is the North Shore any different from anywhere else?
Bro you went out at massive pipe without a leash. Caught the wave of your life that day but kinda hypocritical.
I remember my 2nd December on the NS in 1995. I was 15. Donnie Solomon was going to drown in 4 days from what I'm going to touch on(RIP Donnie). I had a 7'10" and was watching the bay barely breaking by bay standards. It was 12-15' real scale. I was a very strong swimmer/paddler and just wanted to go watch from the channel. I was in the corner and I guess the guard had seen me thinking about it. As I got up to run in between sets he yelled on his megaphone "dont even think about it with that board especially!" haha i was so embarrassed i tucked tail and split from the Bay. Sunset was better that afternoon anyways. I was born at Kapiolani Children's Hospital but am no way a Hawaiian lol.
#10 just 3 pieces of trash between the shore and the lot after every session. there is usually a garbage can in between.
I definitely judge people who paddle for waves then pass 😠
I mean for God’s sake it’s like someone who cuts in front of you to talk to a girl and then chickens out and doesn’t ask her out, though he wants to. Very bad form.
Koa: The way you stated the Do's and Don'ts was the key to this video. You weren't hostile and mean about it, and it's good knowledge for all surfers to know about.
thank you, I am trying to be helpful not hostile lol
Im all about being respectful when going to a new break but at what point do you have to just go for it because seems like alot of times locals will catch 5 in a row and never call you in or give you a nod.
You don’t need to wait for a local’s nod or get called in. If you know what you’re doing and respectfully wait your turn, you just need to go if you’re in position. There comes a point where being too timid or paranoid about “offending” locals becomes annoying to everyone and counterproductive.
Of course he said don't surf Pipeline. I knew he was gonna say that. This video kind of makes me want to snake or drop in on him to see if tries to beat me up. 😂
Spent many a day surfing Oahu. In the late 80's early 90's it was a heavy local scene. Wave etiquette is great, depending on those in the line up. After having local friends...that were known and sponsored, cleared a lot of hastles and hurdles. Really takes time to earn a spot and respect in the water. No one is perfect and you're bound to drop in on someone...happens...apologize, move on. Jerks everwhere...don't be one!
Great advice Koa!
I wonder if we would recognize each other. I surfed the north shore from 87 to 95. Mostly I would hit Uppers after work but also gravitated to a few other spots between Haleiwa and Waimea.
Sorry I thought this was a surfing channel. My bad.
Serious question, where's the best place to sit at your non-home break when visiting? I'll usually hang out on the shoulder and then move up the point as others catch waves (except for the wave hog who paddles around everyone no matter what), but wonder if that's correct
Another serious question: how's the current on north shore when it's 6-10ft Hawaiian versus your trip to the outer banks?
Also love videos like this, keep it up brah 🤙🏾
Sit confidently as the widest person and make quite sure they see you doing that, watch and enjoy their waves, when it is your turn, them knowing you waited, it is likely, but not guaranteed they will respect you doing that as you move up the queue. if you are not going to make the wave, don't be surfing that spot. For wave hog paddle, around you, lowlife MF snakes, stare them right in the eye and turn your head and body towards them. As they paddle around you without saying a thing . So you are are metaphorically saying " what the f are you doing" in any language! lol Likely they will not do it again! Good luck.
YOU SNAKED ME AT BOWLS ONCE NOT COOL MAN
Don’t ever lose humility. Especially in a place like Oahu . Be humble and respectful
Koa is so well mannered. Sincere honest I think an Empath . But a world class athlete . Such a easy brother to root for .
Do offer to buy locals a round or two drinks (or have a 12 pack on ice) after your session. Most likely they’ll bring you out the next day or so & let you get more waves. Hell you may make lifetime friends.
Lol you paused after saying "Don't number one" and i thought you were saying don't pee 😂
Great to see some opinion and your perspective on what’s acceptable and not. The behavioural aspects of sports generally aren’t often discussed from an inside perspective and I think it’s a positive thing for people to put some context around wanting to get involved and what it really takes to
Thank you!
🛑 don’t go! the current isn’t like any other place.
Could you do a video on the social hierarchy of Pipeline.
Do’s- only buy boards directly from your local shapers, they know what works for the breaks and you’re supporting local businesses
Do’s- Where sunscreen every season, skin cancer is real.
Do’s- wear ear plugs in the winter, surfers ear is real and expensive. (Nor Cal)
Do’s- Teach the groms by example, surfing is a way of life not a sport.
Do’s- go easy on the boogs, they’re fun alternative while recovering from a blownout mcl.
Don’ts- don’t surf to impress women, they don’t care. Surf to have fun.
Don’ts- ride a soft top, have some self respect.
Don’ts- be a poser, if you talk for long enough we know….
The guy that surfs who is a 5 from 1 to 10 gives surf lessons. So classic internet
And don't lose your shite if the waves are 1-2' and someone breaks a rule.
If locals respect me i will respect them, unfortunately i have had many bad experiences. I will always do my best to respect everyone. (Not talking about Hawaii region). Great do's and don'ts non the less!
SoCal surfers are the worst
Great Video Koa and the only orher 3 things i can think of is 1 Sunscreen and 2 maybe some kind of first aid kit if you get scratched up on the reef. 3 DONT GO ALONE! At least have someone on the beach keeping an eye out for you. Love your videos and keep up the great content! P.s. Hows the breadstick sales going? Keep us updated!
Good call!
Combining several don'ts...Don't be a dick! You will always be remembered as that person who everyone avoids. Common courtesy goes along ways. Especially if you are not local. Locals are more likely to give advice and let you get waves if you are someone who shows respect and easy to talk to.
Thought you would say don't give anyone stink eye lol because uncle will slap you silly.
Thanks for posting this. These basics can't be overstated. My wife and I walked on the beach at Pipe. I will never paddle out there, and it's ok.
Rule# 1 Do's Koa can "drop in" any time 😂 Rule #2 Do's of North Shore Jack to take the filmer's Cup 🎉❤😂 Rule#3 Do's Shoot more with Makua
Good list. Applies to surfing anywhere, not just North Shore.
It really does
The don'ts are absolutely perfect, I wished everyone respected those rules.
The current is extremely strong in alot of places, surfing is to have fun. I wont surf there because Iam not on their level!!!
We have to teach them.... .Good work Koa. Hopefully it will help with all the major kooking going on here at the inlet in Volusia county 🙏 need to let them know if they see a good surfer watch from a distance if they want to learn not paddle to peak and start flailing
I wish beginners understood priority, at all. Far too many beginners in the impact zone trying to catch a reform or the white wash. They just look straight ahead and paddle, never looking right or left. People buy Costco foamers and just paddle out and create chaos. Then, when they get yelled at, they cop an attitude of arrogance or basically don't care! Trophy kids and adults alike. This b.s. is everywhere in and out of the water.
Well, NOBODY ever sets them straight! Too afraid of being called a Karen or a Boomer or Ken or Grandpa. Get off my lawn! People with age or wisdom or knowledge used to correct other people all the time! I miss those days. I remember when cops used to just yell at you “Hey! Get out of the street! You’re jaywalking. Do you want a ticket?!” Can you even imagine that happening now? Not in Seattle where I live. Somebody would start crying or a lawsuit, LOL.
Sold all the bread sticks, time for Pyzel to make more. 🤙
And don’t move to hawaii
Legend! This is surf etiquette at its finest. This applies everywhere around the world.
Yes it does!
9:42 chronic alert! Rule #9 don't do drugs
you guys should put on a yearly event where experienced amatuer surfers from all over the world who have dreamed of surfing pipe but are wary of the crowds / locals etc can get a chance to get a few waves during a timed "heat" could be competition or expression session, but would bring lots of tourist dollars and would honestly probably be a really fun thing to do a webcast for, I'm sure people would watch. Sign up ahead of time, entrance fee, week holding period, 1-2 days of surfing, 4-6 man heats. Call it the Pipe Joe.
Someone’s gonna die in this pipe Joe
U know Da rules!
A clueless kook getting kicked out of the water for pissing people off or for being dangerous teaches them far more about surfing than that two weeks at a surf school in Bali/Costa Rica etc ever will - good localism is essential to the future of surfing
I enjoyed this video. It gives you perspective on surfing etiquette and behavior
Thanks Koa for mentioning picking up your trash! Also respect when Waimea Life Gaurds say "The sign says no swimming, not go swimming!"
even better if you pick up any trash, help keep the place clean.
So true, first tell how you hold your board second is how you enter the water
When I do, the do-do's they are always number 2's.
#2 Be respectful = get bullied but stfu about it or else ... let's keep it 💯 2:12 is all the confirmation you need.
I'm not a surfer, but do love all your videos and have always enjoyed watching those on the big North Shore waves. I was on Oahu a couple weeks ago and had time to get up to the North Shore for an afternoon and walk on Pipe and Waimea beaches. Flat as it was, now I can imagine the winter waves. I think this video transcends surfing and pertains to life in general. Just respect each other and each others cultures. 🤙
Another good DO for new spots, spend an about an hour picking up trash off the beach as a warmup. The locals will see it and hook you up with waves most the time. ..Works the same at skate parks too, especially if you bring a broom and sweep.
I got struck by a fair amount of panic and anxiety in France just this month. As an ex skater/nube surfer i was going into some pretty big waves like 5 to 6ft steep waves. I got the hang of popping up and balance is not such a big deal but i can't yet take a direction.. just keep surfing in a straight line. But it was fun eating sh*t and taking one of those waves. But the swell got bigger and it had a huge beach break. Got caught behind the beach break getting sucked into a little over 2m steep walls.... Got spewed out eventually onto a pebble beach..; damaged my board. I remained calm but afterwards i was cringing for 3 days...
Thanks for all the tips.... i think i know my limits now... lol.
i remember the shorebreaks there and all the little bits of shell and sand it can insert everywhere..
Jamie O’Brien does about 5 of those don’ts !
things are different when your uncle
As a beginner surfer, I’m gonna be going out there in the regular so it was nice to find something that’s easy to understand, thankfully I’m friends with some locals in North Shore who I’ll be surfing with and showing me the ropes. And yes I’ve already taken lessons but I’m gonna take a couple more - mahalo!
DO.. follow all these rules.. hes holding back on what really happens if not.. jus being honest..
I seen alot of guys get rolled up ( beat up badly ) right in the line up.. and even worse paddle in to get even more from the braddahs onshore.
So just a friendly but real tip from someone born n raised here..
Even tho i feel for the one getting cracks.. its pretty much like how we grew up in HI.. tough love.. its just really dangerous on NS.
Jus practice town and west couple years.. best advice.
Prob not the best idea to start at north shore
Love your list great video and well needed..... todays surfers have 0 respect or have paid their dues .....bring back wolfpack, pipeline posse , black shorts need new crew to regulate
Koa is The best surfer TH-cam channel. He inspires me to surf good or bad conditions. Been surfing Mission beach for three years. This winter will be my first on the north shore. Hope to see you in the water
All of the advice is great. I really appreciate #9 and #10 Do's. I have gone on trips with close friends that took a lot of time, effort, and hard earned $$$$ to put together, and once we score a decent wave at least one friend (usually two) are so frothing that they just turn into these wave hog mutants. I've actually loaned boards to one of them, and he still hogs while he's on my board! Then there is the "Are you going, are you going" in your face tactic. Seriously, why do you think I'm here?
Once we pull up to a spot, and there are other guys or girls on the peak, I always tell my hog friends to just relax, give those out at the peak 15-20 minutes before you paddle out, and don't go straight to the peak.
Set up your beach gear, drink some water, stretch, shoot the shit, whatever, just don't paddle straight out. They've seen you pull up. They know you are here. Be cool. THEY NEVER LISTEN and then get frustrated with the bad vibe THAT THEY CREATED!
I might have to make them watch this video!
Finally, trash on the California coast has gotten way out of hand. I've seen people leave old Weber kettles and all the BBQ trash behind on the beach. F-------K! What is wrong with these people? And rangers along my coast aren't allowed to enforce anything. Just suggest.
How about I leave that sh-----t on your front porch? I am not exaggerating here, so thanks Koa. Hopefully the message gets out. Great video.
Side note: Saw some really ignorant folks ignore the lifeguards at Sandy Beach one day. After three warnings, a very tactful lifeguard, over his bullhorn, in full Hawaiian accent, loud enough for all to hear, told them in no uncertain terms, to find another beach. Woke them up finally.
I reckon theres a case for a social step backwards here in the UK. Breaks are getting more and more crowded here with surf cams everywhere now.. everyone piling in when its half decent getting in the way and paddling for waves they're never gonna catch. Totally clueless about the line up etiquette and it seems to just be ok now. Maybe we should bring back a bit of 80's 90's educating and calling people out.. stop these drop ins, collisions and sense of entitlements...
Honestly, you were losing me as a subscriber because the content was dissipating, seemingly you appeared passionless/distracted, and of recent, your video titles and thumbnails became 'clickbait'. These educational video, however, I sincerely appreciate and respect. Cut out the noise and focus on content that relates to us. I am hooked again...for now.
Don't #3 - Don't surf pipe! Exactly right!!! Most people have no business trying to surf that wave, me included 🙂
I love how Eddie Aikau winner is just casually working his lifeguard shift while you filming
Don't panic is the best advice, may seem a little bit stupid at first, as saying "bruh no stress" to a guy that has a big exam.
But forcing yourself by breathing very calmly, having a relaxed mind, going under the waves, all that will ensure that you won't do shit like trying to outspeed a wave, getting hit on the head without any air in the lungs etc ..
I say that to friends in the water, after some time, some of them ended up understanding that, now they are not that afraid to take a beating because they know that if they stay calm, it'll be alllllright(just remind yourself that you are at the mercy of the ocean, kinda zeus vs a wasp)
All good advice. Can you come down to Waikiki and tell people to wear a leash? I see some of the better surfers go without one and it drives me crazy. It's great that you're confident enough as a swimmer that you feel like you don't need it, but it's not about you. Your board becomes an unguided missile when you wipe out. Consider the safety of others in the lineup.
Don’t paddle on the shoulder when someone is inside of you and paddling.
If you paddle for a wave and miss go to the end of the line (Brazilians)
Don’t even turn for a wave unless it’s your turn and you’re going
If people followed his list and these everyone would be stoked all the time..
DON’T paddle for a wave when an uncle is even thinking about going. Read body language and use communication when you’re not sure.
great video if i can add a dont? Dont travel to a foreign country without travel insurance with 1st world standard medical coverage. medivac and hospital bills can be outrageously expensive... let the travel insurance pay them
#1Do...Do stay home because if it good you wont get a wave anyways 😂
Don't screw up and think that apologizing is the answer. You need to not get in the way in the first place. You do that by thinking ahead of time what peak you are going for (if a beach break) and how to stay out of the riding zone. And if your arms are out of shape, don't go out in waves too big for your boat engine (your endurance).
Where is that big booty girlfriend? She out of the picture now?
Great show! Please do i scientist view of "How Pipeline Works" physics, the reef topography, underwater vies of the 3 reef shelfs to show where the emery hits the reef and then manifest into the best wave in the world! Thanks brother