Thank you for another great video, BN 🙏 I appreciate how you treat NIO for what it is, a premium to luxury smart EV manufacturer with top notch safety, comfort, tech and all the bells and whistles. As a NIO user, I obviously appreciate the fast charging development. But it's not super important to me, as I swap 9 out of 10 times when I need road trip electricity (which might be applicable for 9/10 NIO users). I really don't care, or notice, if I have a 100 kWh "A" or "B" battery (as I charge at home at night, or swap). The swap network is widening out, and I enjoy a "flat charging curve" of 1000-1300 kW every time I swap in 4-5 minutes. I had to supercharge about a month ago, and I realized that I had an "A" 100 kWh battery, which sat me back, time wise, maybe 8-10 minutes vs my earlier comparable charging sessions with a "B" battery. That's obviously not the end of the world, when you save alot of time and money the other 9 out of 10 times when swap under your subscription. The BaaS subscription, is a steal IMO, when you're paying, interest free, net 1200-1300 NOK per month (1999 if don't swap/don't use electricity thru NIO), for a battery that's approximately 200.000 NOK. Add on no warranty issues at all, and top that off with the opportunity to participate in future battery technology with your "old" car: People in China can swap their 70 kWh 2018 ES8 to a 2024 150 kWh semi solid state battery, in 3 minutes, as we speak ⚡️⚡️ It's not here (Europe) yet, but we will hopefully also see some development in that area.
If you arrive with 10 % and swap, you will get 90 % battery. Given that the average available energy is 88 kWh and that the swap itself takes 5 mintues, average power equivalent to charging is: 0.8 * 88 kWh / 5 min * 60 min/h = 845 kW
Thanks for your reply, appreciate it 👏 And I know, your math can be correct too, because I've also done it dozens of times. And I know, from personal experience, that you can easily arrive at PSS with 2% or 5%, and get a 100 kWh battery with 92% or 93% SoC, in less than 5 minutes (gen 3 ofc), and then suddenly my calculations are also correct. The point wasn't whether you get 845 or >1000 kW "speed", the point was: NIO users who mainly swap (when we don't charge at home at night), it makes very little difference, it's hardly noticeable, whether we're with a 100 kWh "A" or "B". That's my experience, after driving the car every day privately, at work, and on holiday for a long time. If I were to choose, when swapping, I could actually choose an "A" battery og leave them "B" for those who want it for the fast supercharging ;-)
Has a nice interior with hyperscreen and bot tesla cooied style. Every chines car looks the same inside. They dont even know how to integrate the displays in to the console. Just put it there like ipad... Yeah it has 40km more range with 2-3 kwh more battery. I rather have the good interior wirh hyperscreen of the eqs and 40 km less than this tesla copy interio with 40km more range.
@@oxidalpha6350It is a vig plastic sheet with 3 tiny low resolution screens underneath. I have driven the eqs 580suv and sat in the el8 and the Nio is one class above. The eqs is silent but very cheaply built.😊
@@oxidalpha6350 It is a big plastic sheet with three low resolution screens. Go testdrive the eq series of cars and feel the cheap plastic interior. Everything you touch rattle and squeaks. If Mercedes was a new Chinese brand no one would buy their cars.
Id love to see a comparison between the cars asian style of driving going on and off accelerator compared to normal driving and difference in efficiency
On an ice vehicle the most efficient way (but risky in my opinion) is to accelerate and put the car in neutral whenever you are not going uphill, but here it shouldn't matter that much as unless you have one pedal driving, letting the acceleration pedal off should basically be equivalent to driving in neutral. Still, a test would be interesting.
Always mention battery swap, but no mention on the leasing cost for the ability to be able to swap. For those of us that charge at home, I doubt it is worth the leasing cost.
Even without home charging my Tesla is much cheaper. I made an ET5 vs Model 3 Performance calculation once and the NIO was so expensive that I sold all my NIO shares for more Tesla shares 😂
Nios business in Denmark is kaput. Just 3 new Nio cars has been registered in Denmark until now this year, seems they also closed their showroom and won’t build any more swap stations. As a comparison, around 10.000 new Teslas has been registered and around 13.800 new EVs from the VAG group. So it’s not because us Danes don’t like EVs, some months more than 50% of the sold (new) cars are EVs. I guess Nio was just too expensive here and too Chinese, with all the ding dong nagging.
Tesla will also ding dong and phantom brake a lot when autopilot is active. Thats how driver assist is meant to be. Most of the alerts on NIO is possible to permanently turn off, included Nomi. Speed limit alert is a legal requirement and will be activated when car is locked/unlocked. In my opinion Nio is suffering from limited brand awareness in Europe. The quality, comfort and tech part is top.
@@yaCiyaCi yes I’ve seen some of Bjørns (new) Tesla videos, and heard the ding dong, but I don’t care much for Tesla either. In general I hate ding dong, can’t stand it, it’s really driving me nuts when sitting in a car doing that. I know all cars are more noisy now with the new regulations, but the Chinese (and Tesla) still seems much worse than for example VAG. My 3 year old ID has no ding dong at all, I’ll take that over better interior any day. Other people feel differently, and aren’t bothered as much with ding dong - good for them. But that’s not for me. But ding dong or not, Nio still failed miserably in Denmark.
Ah shiieet! Trip with wifey and family to gauge their approval of Nio's new flagship?? I wonder if you can just leave the third row down for trunk space, and still have comfortable room for two kids and two adults.
Nice bang for the buck in that Nio. But Infotainment looks already a bit outdated for a premium manufacturer. Still Mercedes has to offer more for the price they offer in comparison to Nio.
@@bjornnyland How can it be the best with a relatively tiny center screen which looks like just mounting a tablet? In comparison MB offers a Hyperscreen which also has a co-drivers display and a much bigger center screen with nice graphics. Also MB route planner is one of the best in the market.
@@bjornnyland Let's wait for next years new generation EV platforms by Mercedes and BMW + new OS version. BMWs concept of a semi-HUD-ish display across the lower end of the windscreen + a full HUD ahead of the driver + a center touchscreen is quite interesting. iDrive X/10 will be a clean looking OS. And Mercedes will introduce MB.OS with the Mercedes CLA model, a modern infotainment system focused on the digital experience. Will look great on the slighlty curved 8k widescreen panel across the whole dashboard.
I am pretty sure Nio will never replace a working battery from the pool. It would cost enormous amount. The process to do that would take ages. So currently in Norway there are 1724 ES8 out of 2540. So there is around 2600 100kWh batteries in total in Norway (ignoring the 75kWh batteries) I am not sure when they started with the new 100kWh battery, but if we assume every EL6, EL7,. ET5 has the new battery it is 67% chance to get the old battery when swapping.
It's not a big deal, just swap it again if you really need to charge that fast for a long road trip, otherwise, there's no difference when you either charge at home or swap the battery.
I don't see it being that much of an issue tbh. The odds would be very low on getting a bad battery I'm sure plus even if you was unlucky enough to get one, it's sorted with a 3 minute swap. But if it is a big issue for some people they can just buy it outright and not swap @@evkx
I have experienced it on 1000 km challenge. The 1st gen battery charges a lot slower than gen 2. A charging stop that would have been less than 5 minutes becomes more than 10 minutes.
Let's ignore volumes sales because it is evident Tesla that NIO technolcy and features lists outdo Tesla X from EL8. It is evident that Tesla is leting Model X rot on the vine. China's preimum/luxary SUVs are quickly catching up. Gullwing doors of Model X are no longer enough to stop China EV floodgates.
@@manuelbarreto7032in what copying tesla interio ipad in the middle? Id4 m50 has 80,3 kwh and range tested by bjorn of 518 km nio et5 with 85.8 kwh has only 479 km?
Probably because the battery swap, the battery needs to compatible with older platform. But the gen 4 swap station in China has now both 400 and 800 batteries.
Battery fault in any other EV is basically a write off in most cases with being structural ect. battery fault in a nio ooh no have to get a 3 minute swap and the faulty battery taken out of circulation then go about your day, the horror how dare they take a bullet out of the gun to Improve the odds in our favour and pay for it themselves so selfish 😅
@@wassimratel2133 what esspecially 900v has to do with better range and efficiency? Its helps for charging speed thats it. The eqs platform was engineered several years ago around 2017-2018. with the chinese engineering speed i think this nio was engineered 3-4 years ago so in 2020? And its still not better than the old merc.
What? ES8 Gen2 (EL8) was released back in December 2022, and it's much bigger than AMG EQE SUV, about 220mm longer, 179mm wider and 81mm higher, not to mention the ugly aerodynamic design of the EQE and EQS series. And the EQE SUV is still more expensive than this imported car with more taxes. Among the CN EV brands, Nio's efficiency has always been seen as below-average. Are you really proud of that?
@@oxidalpha6350they will use a new power train which is much more efficient, similar to the one used in the all new Onvo L60 which is more efficient than the Model Y.
@@imwsss726 released in 2022 but not engineered around 2015 like the eq series. Thats the point dude. Yeah eq is mire expensive because merc want to earn money from the car sales. Nio did not earn one single dollar since 2017. for the last 2-3 years the lost about nearly 2 billions every year. So with chinese money they try to be alive. The question is for how long they will try this?
Can these cars ever compete on price if they have to fund an entire new infrastructure network (while not being a first-mover like Tesla), "Nio Houses" where you can do yuppie and cult activities, and a smartphone brand?
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cant wait for the onvo L60 testing
cant wait for it to be avaible in switzerland ._.
I also
Banana box test!!!!!!!
Nice interior looks good
Thank you for another great video, BN 🙏
I appreciate how you treat NIO for what it is, a premium to luxury smart EV manufacturer with top notch safety, comfort, tech and all the bells and whistles.
As a NIO user, I obviously appreciate the fast charging development. But it's not super important to me, as I swap 9 out of 10 times when I need road trip electricity (which might be applicable for 9/10 NIO users). I really don't care, or notice, if I have a 100 kWh "A" or "B" battery (as I charge at home at night, or swap).
The swap network is widening out, and I enjoy a "flat charging curve" of 1000-1300 kW every time I swap in 4-5 minutes. I had to supercharge about a month ago, and I realized that I had an "A" 100 kWh battery, which sat me back, time wise, maybe 8-10 minutes vs my earlier comparable charging sessions with a "B" battery. That's obviously not the end of the world, when you save alot of time and money the other 9 out of 10 times when swap under your subscription.
The BaaS subscription, is a steal IMO, when you're paying, interest free, net 1200-1300 NOK per month (1999 if don't swap/don't use electricity thru NIO), for a battery that's approximately 200.000 NOK.
Add on no warranty issues at all, and top that off with the opportunity to participate in future battery technology with your "old" car: People in China can swap their 70 kWh 2018 ES8 to a 2024 150 kWh semi solid state battery, in 3 minutes, as we speak ⚡️⚡️ It's not here (Europe) yet, but we will hopefully also see some development in that area.
If you arrive with 10 % and swap, you will get 90 % battery. Given that the average available energy is 88 kWh and that the swap itself takes 5 mintues, average power equivalent to charging is:
0.8 * 88 kWh / 5 min * 60 min/h = 845 kW
Thanks for your reply, appreciate it 👏 And I know, your math can be correct too, because I've also done it dozens of times.
And I know, from personal experience, that you can easily arrive at PSS with 2% or 5%, and get a 100 kWh battery with 92% or 93% SoC, in less than 5 minutes (gen 3 ofc), and then suddenly my calculations are also correct.
The point wasn't whether you get 845 or >1000 kW "speed", the point was: NIO users who mainly swap (when we don't charge at home at night), it makes very little difference, it's hardly noticeable, whether we're with a 100 kWh "A" or "B".
That's my experience, after driving the car every day privately, at work, and on holiday for a long time. If I were to choose, when swapping, I could actually choose an "A" battery og leave them "B" for those who want it for the fast supercharging ;-)
I do like how you do your videos mate. Cut through any bull. Do it your own way. Unlike anybody else. Keep going 👍
Seems like the Nio has really made a lot of improvements. They are definitely catching up.
nice car and a good driver 😎
I think if you use the app you will find all the parameters of the Trip including the consumption from whatever distance you want.
That applies only to the app in China, not in Europe. No trip information available in European app.
That’s nice for a Chinese car,Nomi not bugging you today lol
Amazing that the big EL8 is so much more efficient than the small eqe that has a very cheap plastic interior. 😊
Has a nice interior with hyperscreen and bot tesla cooied style. Every chines car looks the same inside. They dont even know how to integrate the displays in to the console. Just put it there like ipad...
Yeah it has 40km more range with 2-3 kwh more battery. I rather have the good interior wirh hyperscreen of the eqs and 40 km less than this tesla copy interio with 40km more range.
@@oxidalpha6350It is a vig plastic sheet with 3 tiny low resolution screens underneath.
I have driven the eqs 580suv and sat in the el8 and the Nio is one class above. The eqs is silent but very cheaply built.😊
@@oxidalpha6350 It is a big plastic sheet with three low resolution screens. Go testdrive the eq series of cars and feel the cheap plastic interior. Everything you touch rattle and squeaks. If Mercedes was a new Chinese brand no one would buy their cars.
@@Lucas-wp2ph squeezing is normal on these pannels it has nothing to do with bad quality.
@@oxidalpha6350 Real quality interior is dead silent when pressed or touched on. The Mercedes is not
Very interesting
Id love to see a comparison between the cars asian style of driving going on and off accelerator compared to normal driving and difference in efficiency
On an ice vehicle the most efficient way (but risky in my opinion) is to accelerate and put the car in neutral whenever you are not going uphill, but here it shouldn't matter that much as unless you have one pedal driving, letting the acceleration pedal off should basically be equivalent to driving in neutral. Still, a test would be interesting.
Always mention battery swap, but no mention on the leasing cost for the ability to be able to swap. For those of us that charge at home, I doubt it is worth the leasing cost.
you are right. keep charging your car home.
Even without home charging my Tesla is much cheaper. I made an ET5 vs Model 3 Performance calculation once and the NIO was so expensive that I sold all my NIO shares for more Tesla shares 😂
@@nielsvandenkieboom5034 My ebike is way cheaper to buy and run than a model3 and also better built😊
@@nielsvandenkieboom5034 that probably wont be a good move long term 😅
@@monkayjim999 NIO is down 80% from when I sold and Tesla is up 22% from when I last bought.
Tested this car in Trondheim few days ago - 2 things I didn’t like- steering is crap , and not on my budget. Otherwise- nice luxury suv.
And no frunk
150kwh Nio test when?
Comfort like Hongqi? Or
Better
Nios business in Denmark is kaput. Just 3 new Nio cars has been registered in Denmark until now this year, seems they also closed their showroom and won’t build any more swap stations.
As a comparison, around 10.000 new Teslas has been registered and around 13.800 new EVs from the VAG group. So it’s not because us Danes don’t like EVs, some months more than 50% of the sold (new) cars are EVs.
I guess Nio was just too expensive here and too Chinese, with all the ding dong nagging.
Tesla will also ding dong and phantom brake a lot when autopilot is active. Thats how driver assist is meant to be. Most of the alerts on NIO is possible to permanently turn off, included Nomi. Speed limit alert is a legal requirement and will be activated when car is locked/unlocked. In my opinion Nio is suffering from limited brand awareness in Europe. The quality, comfort and tech part is top.
@@yaCiyaCi yes I’ve seen some of Bjørns (new) Tesla videos, and heard the ding dong, but I don’t care much for Tesla either. In general I hate ding dong, can’t stand it, it’s really driving me nuts when sitting in a car doing that. I know all cars are more noisy now with the new regulations, but the Chinese (and Tesla) still seems much worse than for example VAG. My 3 year old ID has no ding dong at all, I’ll take that over better interior any day.
Other people feel differently, and aren’t bothered as much with ding dong - good for them. But that’s not for me.
But ding dong or not, Nio still failed miserably in Denmark.
You seem like a hater 🤣You don't understand how business works.
Do you have new 150kwh solid state battery in Norway?
No
You can download and use a decibel meter on your phone to check quitness...
Sure, but noise is a lot more than just decibel. Frequency and variation affect the subjective impression of noise about as much as pure decibel.
Not accurate. I have a dedicated meter.
Ah shiieet! Trip with wifey and family to gauge their approval of Nio's new flagship?? I wonder if you can just leave the third row down for trunk space, and still have comfortable room for two kids and two adults.
Supercharging it's good, but swapping is next level... ❤
My dad owns a es8 its so cool nio is the best
What is the different between es8 and this?
Much more modern software, motors, design, efficency...
EL8 = 2nd Gen ES8
Renewed ES8 in China is the same as this one. It’s just the name in Europe.
Nice charging speeds (: praise the tesla supercharger network with 750Ampere
If you just swap then it doesn’t matter whether it’s a gen1 or gen2 battery because the driving performance will be the same.
Gen 2 charges way faster than gen 1. And in general, gen 1 has about 86 kWh left whereas gen 2 has 91 kWh.
What is happened to Marcusbil?
He went out of business
Nice bang for the buck in that Nio. But Infotainment looks already a bit outdated for a premium manufacturer. Still Mercedes has to offer more for the price they offer in comparison to Nio.
And then there's the ongoing genocide of the Uigurs.
Nio infotainment is among the best in the car industry and far better than the Germans.
@@bjornnyland How can it be the best with a relatively tiny center screen which looks like just mounting a tablet? In comparison MB offers a Hyperscreen which also has a co-drivers display and a much bigger center screen with nice graphics. Also MB route planner is one of the best in the market.
@@bjornnyland Let's wait for next years new generation EV platforms by Mercedes and BMW + new OS version. BMWs concept of a semi-HUD-ish display across the lower end of the windscreen + a full HUD ahead of the driver + a center touchscreen is quite interesting. iDrive X/10 will be a clean looking OS. And Mercedes will introduce MB.OS with the Mercedes CLA model, a modern infotainment system focused on the digital experience. Will look great on the slighlty curved 8k widescreen panel across the whole dashboard.
BMW's neue Klasse will be the new leader in infotainment 😉
hope nio fixes the cruise control acceleration/hold speed issue. it is definitly noticable and annoying
Totally agree…
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Eventually there will be higher chance to get gen2 batteries
Battery swap coming!
No.
Wait what? No sound system test?? shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii 🙂
Already done long time ago:
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@@bjornnyland OMG I actually already viewed your video when you released it 3 months ago... sorry mate
I am pretty sure Nio will never replace a working battery from the pool. It would cost enormous amount. The process to do that would take ages. So currently in Norway there are 1724 ES8 out of 2540. So there is around 2600 100kWh batteries in total in Norway (ignoring the 75kWh batteries) I am not sure when they started with the new 100kWh battery, but if we assume every EL6, EL7,. ET5 has the new battery it is 67% chance to get the old battery when swapping.
It's not a big deal, just swap it again if you really need to charge that fast for a long road trip, otherwise, there's no difference when you either charge at home or swap the battery.
@@wassimratel2133 for me it is a Big deal. I would not used swap if i bought a new EL8. I dont want a 4 year old battery in my Brand new car
@@evkx in that case you can buy the battery, the swap is only for the rental program.
I don't see it being that much of an issue tbh. The odds would be very low on getting a bad battery I'm sure plus even if you was unlucky enough to get one, it's sorted with a 3 minute swap. But if it is a big issue for some people they can just buy it outright and not swap @@evkx
I have experienced it on 1000 km challenge. The 1st gen battery charges a lot slower than gen 2. A charging stop that would have been less than 5 minutes becomes more than 10 minutes.
Let's ignore volumes sales because it is evident Tesla that NIO technolcy and features lists outdo Tesla X from EL8. It is evident that Tesla is leting Model X rot on the vine. China's preimum/luxary SUVs are quickly catching up. Gullwing doors of Model X are no longer enough to stop China EV floodgates.
BMW or Mercedes anytime this is to expensive and how will the interiors materials quality will hold in time .
@@gilletphilippe4473 Interior quality is about the same as BMW but mutch better than Mercedes.
Nio is years ahead Mercedes or BMW. ❤😊
Nio has design studio in München.
@@manuelbarreto7032in what copying tesla interio ipad in the middle? Id4 m50 has 80,3 kwh and range tested by bjorn of 518 km nio et5 with 85.8 kwh has only 479 km?
@@oxidalpha6350 I cannot understand what you are saying...
Do the swap at 2/3s of the 1000km challenge.
Weird that these new fancy models are still on 400 volt architecture but the ‘cheaper’ subbrand gets 800v architecture
Probably because the battery swap, the battery needs to compatible with older platform.
But the gen 4 swap station in China has now both 400 and 800 batteries.
Because the Onvo is on the next 3.0 NIO tech platform. Three EL8 is of the 2.0 platform. The ET9 will be there first NIO model on NT 3.0.
yes, one problem with battery swap. Forced to stick with old formfactor and technology. But Nio ET9 is 800 volts, but requires different swap station
@@evkxNo it doesn't require a different Swap Station, the same station can hold 400 and 900V batteries.
@@evkxwhat do you mean stuck with old technologies? the old ES8 launched in 2018 with 70kWh can now use the new 150kWh semi solid state battery.
Battery Roulette is kind of a mess. 75, 100kWh... Gen1 or Gen 2... This are now already 4 Variants. No, swap is not woth it.
Well the swap is not an obligation, it's a third option to replenish the battery, if you don't like it just buy the car with the battery.
Battery fault in any other EV is basically a write off in most cases with being structural ect. battery fault in a nio ooh no have to get a 3 minute swap and the faulty battery taken out of circulation then go about your day, the horror how dare they take a bullet out of the gun to Improve the odds in our favour and pay for it themselves so selfish 😅
dude, what do you mean by variants? Either Gen 1 or Gen 2 can use all the batteries in the stations.
75 kWh batteries are only gen 2.
@@GDBullgood that renting the battery is so cheap. Not.
I'll come back and watch this video when Tibet is free.
Should we wait to buy Tesla until Hawaii is free?
A lot newer than the eqe53 but not really better in efficiency and range...
so i thougth chinese are better in ev?😊
It's not new, and it'll be upgraded to 900V by the end of the year.
@@wassimratel2133 what esspecially 900v has to do with better range and efficiency? Its helps for charging speed thats it. The eqs platform was engineered several years ago around 2017-2018. with the chinese engineering speed i think this nio was engineered 3-4 years ago so in 2020? And its still not better than the old merc.
What? ES8 Gen2 (EL8) was released back in December 2022, and it's much bigger than AMG EQE SUV, about 220mm longer, 179mm wider and 81mm higher, not to mention the ugly aerodynamic design of the EQE and EQS series. And the EQE SUV is still more expensive than this imported car with more taxes. Among the CN EV brands, Nio's efficiency has always been seen as below-average. Are you really proud of that?
@@oxidalpha6350they will use a new power train which is much more efficient, similar to the one used in the all new Onvo L60 which is more efficient than the Model Y.
@@imwsss726 released in 2022 but not engineered around 2015 like the eq series. Thats the point dude.
Yeah eq is mire expensive because merc want to earn money from the car sales. Nio did not earn one single dollar since 2017. for the last 2-3 years the lost about nearly 2 billions every year. So with chinese money they try to be alive. The question is for how long they will try this?
Can these cars ever compete on price if they have to fund an entire new infrastructure network (while not being a first-mover like Tesla), "Nio Houses" where you can do yuppie and cult activities, and a smartphone brand?
Can you try to think of the reason/s why is this car to times cheaper than Mercedes or BMW? How is it possible ?
the interior colour is disgusting
Cool car but wound even touch it because of the Chinese infotainment!
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