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@thomaswilburn6263 For sure, that's why it's sad to see you guys fall so far with bush jr, trump, and Roe v Wade. To your credit is your Ukraine aid, you guys really stepped up there.
@@thomaswilburn6263 The american system has made many millions suffer social trauma, unemployment and stigmatization for not making it in the highly competitive and highly unequal American economic capitalism.
"...when you substitute obscurity for clarity to give a pretence of depth" - this is something I've been frightened of in my paintings for many years and a poignant statement.
In my time consulting with artists - I still, albeit very rarely, do artistic development work with professional artists - the biggest problem I ran into was an artist confusing the thing itself with the idea of the thing. So, for instance - an image carrying the idea of tactility rather than expressing tactility. It is globally the no 1 creative problem in the art world!
The same principle applies to scientists - there are those who do the job properly and explain their findings in ways normal people can understand by breaking it down to everyday phenomena, and those who self-aggrandize by using unnecessary complex language for the purpose of clouding the knowledge from others.
@@markusleboschka6878 years ago I watched an artist being interviewed and he was basically informed by the interviewer the deep meaning of why he used the color blue... He just replied "I used it because I liked it" : )). I never forgot his simple answer to an unnecessarily complex question.
@@dawnneander9999 It think for Art that is exactly the right answer. Scientists try to be objective, so we have to come up with neutral, independent measurements and stuff.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” (Voltaire) ... with absurdities being one potential product of intellectual charlatanism.
I'm a relatively new listener, and i just wanted to say thank you! What a breath of fresh air to listen to someone who models such beautiful ways to disagree and discuss. It's like a refreshing, cleansing shower for my brain. Thank you so much for these discussions !
reading Dugin for around 20 years, I can only conclude that Duginism is basically "fascism with Russian characteristics". That is, strong vibes of Russian orthodox Christianity mysticism and lunacy
The main point I disagreed with was Protestantism, Protestantism was a wonderful improvement, the Catholic Church was robbing the peasants and not even letting them read the Bible in their native language. Yes we have lots of division in Christianity...but the basics are the same. Individualism is also good..that's how our American society has developed so much...people leave home and take chances...including all the immigrants that have done the same since the inception of our country...it's who we are. It can be lonely to leave home...but overall Individualism has helped make our country as powerful as it is.
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Dear Mr. Vexler, I just checked into your main channel and saw nothing new there. Then I found this video and was relieved to see you're doing OK. Thank you for the great work you're doing.
I am currently crafting a comment, designed to extract a pencil recommendation from Vlad. I want to be subtle, but funny. Like, maybe I'll describe my intentions in a spuriously naive way in response to another pencil-related comment, pretending not to notice the fact that Vlad has already liked the comment and will, therefore, likely see my reply. He will then provide a pencil recommendation in order to preempt me in an entertaining way, when in reality, he will have simply fallen into my cleverly-lain trap. Something like that.
Interview itself is a big nothing-burger. Comment section on the other hand is scariest thing I have seen in years. All this people are real, they live among us
"Charlatan" is such a great word that gets used in Russian way more than in English. It's such a good description of many people that actively make things happen in Russia.
@@AstroGremlinAmerican isn't the "grifter" word have a different meaning more close to "parasitism"? Like when you advocate for consensus good cause but care only for your personal gain? Eg. cheering for Ukraine while making populist uninformed analysis is usually called grifting by Vlad
Very much appreciated your condensation of the Fascist concept to a synthesis of romanticism/conservativism/regression/revanchism/appeal to those threatened by modernity riding upon nationalist populist rhetoric, awkwardly conjoined with a vague revolutionary aspiration, the details of which to be revealed later, leaving all in the hands of the state. That seems a fairly comprehensive definition, certainly describes what we've seen so far from the last century of history, can well imagine of Russia in the making.
His definition is pretty weak.. in fact yours is a little (although not much) better as you recognize national identity is part of Fascism (Vlad did not). By his definition, Jihadists/Palestinaians are facist, and would be put in the same class as working-class populists (also Fascist apparently). Fascism used to be very well defined... but over the years it's been used as a label for "political views I don't think are acceptable". I think this is sadly the case here. Fascism used to mean Statism that prioritizes the states good over individual rights, ie: the Mussolini version of it. Working class populist movements are most certainly not in favor of increasing the states power over individuals! Conservatives are generally opposed to increasing state power also. I don't know or care for Dugan in the slightest.. but it seems like Vlad has to use the "modern definition" of "fascim" to label him a "fascist." Personally.. I don't think this helps the conversation much.
It’s interesting that Dugin, unlike Putin, literally gave what Tucker’s audience potentially wanted to hear. This is probably the difference between a person with believe and an opportunist.
Carlson, Ramaswamy, and Mearsheimer want Russia to join the West against China, but I have a feeling Putin wants to stick with China. It wouldn’t be hard for Dugin to turn against China since he’s against transhumanism, but for now Dugin supports China because they’re part of the anti-Western Russia-China-Iran coalition. Interestingly, the Right loves Musk despite his transhumanism (Neuralink).
At about 23:00, Vlad says that Dugan claims that woke-ism is a kind of hyperliberalism. And these are Vlad’s words, not Dugins. However, Dugin specifically did talk about Wokeism in response to Carlson mentioning that he felt that he is a “classical Liberal”.
Great to see you! Haha excessive pencils... I actually cleaned out my collection a few years ago, only to have my dad decide I needed his immediately afterwards. I have yet to find a mechanical pencil that I'm truly impressed with though.
Great video, but I would love to hear more of your thoughts specifically centred on the phenomenon of a Russian intellectual charlatan being interviewed by an American political-entertainer-charlatan and what that signifies for our political culture. You dealt with Dugin here, but not really on the Carlson interview, and I would be very interested in your take on that as a phenomenon in itself. I am still a bit mystified as to what kind of audience there is out there for an encounter between these two particular con artists.
Dugin, as in the case of Russian society, simply used all the hot topics of conservatives, pure opportunism. Such a simple and short interview will get a lot of response.
You see that with every video like that, especially those that Tucker fronts. They are people who are essentially locked in their own echo chamber, to an insane degree. Or they're just trying to fit into their group, and say what they need to say to do that. Or they are bots.
@barracuda6900 Also traditionalists that liked having their views reinforced....also saw lots of comments praising Putin...they don't look at the full picture and see how all the suffering in Ukraine and also for the suffering of the Russian soldiers and their families.
Dugin was a part of the Black Order of the SS. He was also a disciple of Aleister Crowley! There are extant TH-cam videos of him reading Crowley’s poetry on stage at drama productions that featured multiple spinning Jesus figures tied to windmill crucifixes. I wonder how this clown can square his devotion to the Megatherion or Great Beast 666 with his purported Christian orthodoxy?
In the 1980s, Dugin recorded music and published it under the pseudonym “Hans Zivers”. Zivers refers to Wolfram Sievers, a German Nazi of the worst kind. Among other things, he was hanged for human experimentation in 1948. Sievers was head of the SS Ahnenerbe, whose director was Himmler. SS Ahnenerbe was an extensive organization that dealt with research into the origins of the Germanic race and served to spread Nazi ideology. In addition to human experimentation on Jews, the Ahnenerbe also initiated art trafficking. All this was already known in the 80s. Dugin deliberately chose his role model. This is the guy Carlson interviewed and American listeners actually applauded. Disgusting. Some ppl really call this disguised fascist seriously a “philosopher”. As a German, all I read in his publications is a mishmash of various other sick far-right ideological outpourings that he has somewhat tailored to Russia.
I also think that Dugin is beyond mere fascism, his ramblings on 'Ukrainian Race that needs to be wiped out' is 'National 'Socialist talk. A craziness even more dangerous than ideas of Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile. To my knowledge 'fascism did give everyone the chance to be oppressed, or reducated, or 'killed, while 'National 'Socialism, which is an euphemism for 'Racist 'Socialism had people 'wiped out just due to the accident of their birth.
You are most articulate, thoughtful, sometimes over-the-top in a blue-bell ice cream rocky-road kinda way, and always someone I come back to for a large glorious dose of deep-dive. Keep up the goodness. (PS - I am jealous of your word-choices and deep-water insights).
Nice to see you back, hope your health holds up for a long, long time. Edited "little Ng" back to intended "long". Glad you were able to interpret it :)
It is hard to fathom how Russia can still produce characters such as Dugin , who reminds one of a villain from some 19th century novel . On Tucker Carlson ; saw him( on TV) following Trump to the stage at a rally a few months ago . Carlson , with mouth agape, seemed to revel in the occasion, with the crowd wildly cheering and applauding Trump as he entered the venue ... Carlson reminded me of one of those side show clown heads with open mouth , moving left to right waiting for someone to drop a ping ping ball into . Well done Vlad for painting a clearer picture on Dugins character and thinking . Have heard and read enough of that bent mans twisted ramblings ... Anyway listened to this video to the end , no need to hear anymore about those two loathsome men . 🇺🇦🇦🇺
So, there is a lot in this video about Dugin that is not found in his interview with Carlson. In fact, the main substance of this video is not about the interview. It would be appreciated to make more mention of how you know all this about Dugin, ie what you’ve read of his/watched of his. There are some references to past videos of yours, but that’s not enough for you to form this whole image of him. What else have you read/watched of his?
Fascism is enticing until it is used against you. Those that propose it with the best intentions always fall prey to the urge to start thinking they are invincible. We are human animals with a superiority complex that tells us we are so much smarter than our closest genetic relative even though we are 99.5 % similar. This inability to accurately assess our abilities is what allows all the strife,war,religions and inequities the World is constantly experiencing. We KNOW BETTER just not those that have the levers to enact change. Our best hope is-to go the Democratic route continually striving to help others. If we fail the world will continue to go on without us and the-next genetic trial will begin. The struggle continues...🤔
Continually striving to help others.. What do you mean by others? "Refugees"? "Migrants"? Foreigners from a completely different culture? Your own citizens?
@@CHarris1066 the dictionary defines You as other. The Nazis defined Jews as others,the Confederate States defined blacks as others,the Republican party uses anyone as others like the opposite political party a catchall that every Rightwing fascist group also uses. To the point where America a Democratic Republic is denounced as not being a Democratically Elected Country! The Constitution states otherwise but Evangelical Religion Rightwing MAGA supporters are trying to shoehorn Religion into Government expressly against the FIRST AMENDMENT of the CONSTITUTION. We as Humans are just the latest iteration of Homosapiens hopefully not the last.
I think Carlson really shot himself in the foot with the Putin interview. So much to the extent I had no idea until just now he has also interviewed Dugin. Is he trying to be a higher paid version of Scott Ritter or Colonel McGregor?
Dugin critique is illogical. He starts with an anti-liberal critique that suggests liberation (from hyper-individualism), but concludes by endorsing a different, restrictive political liberty (classical liberalism) that reinscribes traditional forms of authority and control. For ex. He stipulates the centrality of gender identity, but denounces any personal gender choice as ‘new liberalism’ which he thinks is just ‘leftist’, which is apparently bad, who knew?! So it is not difference that bothers him, but the liberty to make a choice, which he wants to subject to traditional authority which allegedly saves humanity from individual liberty by restoring his version of traditional liberty which is ‘difference without choice’. Could we just call it hierarchy? So basically fascism.
He uses a lot of words in interviews with Western journalists in order to present a confusing veneer of a very profound philosophical thought which seems to go beyond a particular political ideology. But if you read one of his books in which he is far more concise and clear, you can notice that he's actually completely fascist.
In the interview he didn't denounce anything, he simply outlined the trajectory of where things are going (post human world where humans are not necessary). Changing gender identity with choice may sound like fun but it only works within artificial social constructs. Those putinist societies have it in more practical way, so they'll just overrun you gender people like it happened in barbarians vs Rome historical period.
No, he is saying that choosing a different gender is seeking liberation from one's self. It is seeking liberation from reality. Your concept of liberty is entirely wrong, which is why you are reaching such wrong conclusions. Liberty is the ability to do what is right, not the ability to do whatever you want.
@@alphaclam Except no one can be without gender, and people who change their gender do it to become their true self. It is an affirmation of the self and of a gendered reality. Which is exactly in line with your definition of liberty. Maybe you don’t understand people’s motives? You’d have to actually talk to trans people to understand them though. Something Dugin clearly hasn’t done.
@@mon_ange333mony4 theres a lot of that around these days. And it’s seductive at first because liberalism is problematic, but making it worse is not the answer.
I love you my friend, it’s nothing personal but the energy. Constant energy that at minimum does not regress us, as can be the norm, whatever a listeners decides to do with the energy or what they gleam contains limitless potential. And that is exhilarating.
The "Good Old Days Syndrome": a nostalgia for a better, vanished time which by definition never actually existed. For example, some people in the US have a "bad case of The Fifties".
Maybe its just me, but I find the usage of the term 'unlovely' rather problematic in a philosophical and political context. At least it should be clear how it's definition is like when you are using it.
"Moving to a place where Dugan is waiting for them" ...hmmmm...as a visual person I come up with, quite literally, a cold dark room somewhere , where possibly history could be made. A place where all has already been said and it's just time to shake hands on the "deal". A place, a room where many of us had on envisioned Pregozhin was on his march to Moscow. Or maybe that room is just a common prison cell....
I get those too...they tried to sell me a Trump teddy bear one time haha That's a hard pass haha Trump needs money, so I cut him some slack...he's selling all kinds of stuff now.
1) The reason why Dugin sees liberalism as a threat is because, well, many people before him saw democracy as a threat and liberalism is an extreme form of that. The main arguments there are: a - people are often led by emotions, b - most people are silly and uninterested (kinda like a topic to talk about a week before elections), c - because in democratic system a vote from a country's best intellectual would equal to one of a drunk. Combine those three and you get an Austrian artist leading the country because for just a moment he had the popularity and knew what people wanted (it was mentioned by Dugin, I believe, but the idea dates back to Plato). 2) Fascism is a thing... that cannot really be defined. It's a mutant of a regime that hardly can differ from regular dictatorship, authoritarianism, communism or a monarchy. Depending on how you perceive things, if you were to use that 7 famous sides of fascism, you can easily fit them into literally any country on earth right now. People might say that fascism is an ultimate form of capitalism, but in the same time, if you look from a perspective of state being a massive monopolistic company, wouldn't communism fit the description? Or do we simply view any form of strong central government as fascism? I don't know if Dugin favors or promotes fascism since I have better things to do than to read his books (the Tucker's interview only confirmed my view of him being a populist jester), but either way, let him just be. If the extreme ideals are becoming popular then you just know that something is really wrong with the world we're living in and it is better to actually know what you're dealing with than to wait when sht is just about to hit the fan. The natural development of a society ultimately leads to the golden age which lasts for some time and then, hopefully, skips the phase of despotism when the cycle resets. Interfering with that cycle often leads to a catastrophe. In the end, people themselves are choosing the system they're living in. If the system is good - it doesn't need protection and cannot be corroded by ideas like Dugin's easily. But if it is something that currently in the US... well, you might prolong it's longevity, but you might also cause the fall will be much more painful than it should be. I was asking some friends from the US who are they supporting, but the answers were a bit unexpected - it was about NOT supporting someone (I don't like Trump so I vote Biden and vice versa). That is not a healthy system to have. The democracy isn't about letting people to choose from something we like and approve. It is also opinions we're despising too - even though I find communism disgusting, I wouldn't ban its political parties even if I could. And even if I were to ban it, those people supporting the ideology would only become more organized and dangerous in exchange for having less supporters.
how much collaboration/overlap currently exists between Aleksandr Dugin and Steve Bannon, might we know? I see them as working towards a common greater societal endpoint, but play two very different roles in the project, itself
Someone recommended me a podcast episode (I think it' Conspirituality episode #82) where they talk about Bannon's mysticism and I believe they discussed his interest in Dugin.
Prof Vexler, I find my limitation in vocabulary to be a great obstacle to navigating between the clashing rocks of philosophical/political/psychological charlatanism and innovation. Could you please direct me to a good reading list to help me broaden my understanding of the terms of thought on these matters? I am newly retired and ready to read. Thank you.
Dugin actually speeks poor Russian as well. Dugin is well known outside Russia, but not inside Russia. Why? Because the Rus state promotes him ans suppresses normal voices in Russia.
Sorry if my comment is not on topic. I watched your channel alot when the war began, afterwards I started doing other things. One thing I noticed. Ccan't remember if it was on your channel or somewhere else. From what I know, Putin is a big fan of the USSR. But also has a picture of a great tar, can't remember now his name, sorry. The question was, how can these two images fit togheter? Wasn't the USSR all about eradicating nobility? Seems like a bih contradiction to me. I would like to assume that Putin is not crazy or illogical as many describe him to be. That explanation would seem rather naive.
There is a certain catch to my question. I remember an older politician being told by one of his suporters during an interview that he was 73. The politician corrected him and said he wasn't 73 buy 75. 75 being his actual age. At that age, I think that if as a politician you don't correct the supporter, some people might think that you are suffering from Alzheimer or something. Which wouldn't be great at all. You could end up like Biden, being called all sorts of names and not being able to do anything. Or like Trump, being forever called a narcissist.
Thank you so much for walking us through this, and watching the interview, so we don't have to. ; ) Vlad, I am curious if you are familiar with Ken Wilber and his work. His whole Integral model thing seems to be a good fit for what we are observing (the ideas of differentiation vs disassociation, and fusion vs integration, from "Sex, Ecology, Spirituality"). And I think he then applies that Integral model to the conflict of pre-modernity vs modernity, in "The Marriage of Sense and Soul - Integrating Science and Religion". His idea of mis-taking "differentiation" for a "disaster", and, instead of proceeding to healthy "integration", attempting to fix the "disaster" of "differentiation" by attempting to "restore order" by violently re-fusing the differentiated parties, back into undifferentiated, regressive, pathological union seems super-relevant to a lot of things that are observing. If you are familiar with Ken Wilber's work, I would be very interested in your comments and thoughts on that. Is Ken Wilber's model useful for understanding and predicting what is currently unfolding? Thank you!
Hi Vlad - Mr Dugin made the extraordinary claim that Western Liberalism has been on a very long "train" journey (several hundred-year journey with all manner of ups & downs)...He and other thinkers believe that we are approaching the final station or terminal station which he is referring to as "trans-humanism" where humans will have the option of integrating themselves with intelligent machines and AI...What are your thoughts?
I read dugin. Most of it. I found nothing intriguing. He did touch on one thing. The limits of freedom in liberalism. The idea of freedom. The contractions. If I recall. The argument had some merit? Its been years since I went through dugin. That was the only thing I remember that had merit. To myself at least. The rest was bathroom reading. That one part was the little diamond I found. Which isn't really uncommon. I've read a lot of people. Hundreds of pages. Books after books. To come upon something that finally made getting through it all worth while
" ... enemies to be destroyed ... " That would be a problem. Usually, enemies are to be defeated, not destroyed. I don't understand the difference in mindset anywhere near well enough to say how it plays out when the people being seen that way are literally opponents rather than enemies.
@@SlpBeauty333 Yes, I think the initial idea of being woke was really good to bring about more inclusivity and empathy for others...which has very much grown and improved...but the problem is when identity politics are purposely used to stir up division and judgement.
@@SlpBeauty333 Vlad gave me moderator powers and every since I have had no problem with the comments. That seemed to fix the bug. But yeah I know it is frustrating when comments were disappearing...If I wrote a large comment I would copy it....so if it never appeared, I could just paste it. 😆
HEY Vlad :), came here just 2 give a like and say that you look pretty lively today which makes me RLY happy :). And YES we are trying 2 go forward in liberalism together! So happy you said it that way ^_^. Anw will watch full vid a bit later. And OFC THANK YOU!!
Very insightful and eye opening about what Dugin gets right. I also love how you characterize hyper identity politics as not an issue solely with the left.
Thank you, Vlad, for helping us sort through this mess (all of it) every day! The interview itself may have been a bit of a waste of time to watch, but it finally fully demystified "Putin's Rasputin" for me. Charlatan, indeed. Not even deep enough to satisfy my morbid curiosity about evil absurdities, more of a disappointment.
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00:00 What we are here for
05:18 charlatanism among intellectuals
16:50 Dugin's views and the Carlson interview
25:39 Dugin's fascist attributes
Is Zizek a charlatan?
@vladvexlerchat you are pure gold and a gem with your analyze. Love everything you do. ❤
Is Vlad Vexler a charlatan?
Does the author consider himself a charlatan?
I've been masquerading as an intellectual for years. But it takes a lot of reading and listening.
The USA has gone from Gore Vidal debating William F Buckley on prime time TV to Tucker Carlson…🤦♂️
That’s a really low bar !
From JFK and NASA putting man on the moon to trump and space force..
@@CombatMosquitoTrainer the american system protects and feeds billions. we do a lot.
@thomaswilburn6263 For sure, that's why it's sad to see you guys fall so far with bush jr, trump, and Roe v Wade. To your credit is your Ukraine aid, you guys really stepped up there.
@@thomaswilburn6263 The american system has made many millions suffer social trauma, unemployment and stigmatization for not making it in the highly competitive and highly unequal American economic capitalism.
"...when you substitute obscurity for clarity to give a pretence of depth" - this is something I've been frightened of in my paintings for many years and a poignant statement.
In my time consulting with artists - I still, albeit very rarely, do artistic development work with professional artists - the biggest problem I ran into was an artist confusing the thing itself with the idea of the thing. So, for instance - an image carrying the idea of tactility rather than expressing tactility. It is globally the no 1 creative problem in the art world!
The same principle applies to scientists - there are those who do the job properly and explain their findings in ways normal people can understand by breaking it down to everyday phenomena, and those who self-aggrandize by using unnecessary complex language for the purpose of clouding the knowledge from others.
@@markusleboschka6878 years ago I watched an artist being interviewed and he was basically informed by the interviewer the deep meaning of why he used the color blue... He just replied "I used it because I liked it" : )). I never forgot his simple answer to an unnecessarily complex question.
@@VladVexlerChatIt’s akin to the way religion and religious imagery becoming interchangeable with ‘good values’ rather than just symbolizing them
@@dawnneander9999 It think for Art that is exactly the right answer. Scientists try to be objective, so we have to come up with neutral, independent measurements and stuff.
This podcast should have 1M subs
Very kind.
It won't. Vlad is not a philosopher, he's a propaganda soldier, paid or not by Soros like organisations.
Rubbish the opposite is true as it mostly is these days, le Monde alenvers
Vlad removes inconvenient comments. He's evil
lol, calling the kettle black a bit don’t you think ?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” (Voltaire) ... with absurdities being one potential product of intellectual charlatanism.
I'm a relatively new listener, and i just wanted to say thank you! What a breath of fresh air to listen to someone who models such beautiful ways to disagree and discuss. It's like a refreshing, cleansing shower for my brain. Thank you so much for these discussions !
You could add "Inside Russia" to your listening.
Konstantin will enhance your consciousness.
reading Dugin for around 20 years, I can only conclude that Duginism is basically "fascism with Russian characteristics". That is, strong vibes of Russian orthodox Christianity mysticism and lunacy
The main point I disagreed with was Protestantism, Protestantism was a wonderful improvement, the Catholic Church was robbing the peasants and not even letting them read the Bible in their native language. Yes we have lots of division in Christianity...but the basics are the same. Individualism is also good..that's how our American society has developed so much...people leave home and take chances...including all the immigrants that have done the same since the inception of our country...it's who we are. It can be lonely to leave home...but overall Individualism has helped make our country as powerful as it is.
I always click on the 'like' button before I even start watching Vlad's videos, because I know from experience that they are going to be well worth it.
So much appreciation as always.
AYEE same same, Vlad is awesome! :)
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Is it worth considering why Tucker Carlson is popular.
@@Andy-zu3tv Yes, It's always good to understand why political opponents have support.
Dear Mr. Vexler, I just checked into your main channel and saw nothing new there. Then I found this video and was relieved to see you're doing OK. Thank you for the great work you're doing.
I just recently bought 80€ worth of my favorite pencil. They're discontinuing them. Will stock up a lifetime supply.
I am currently crafting a comment, designed to extract a pencil recommendation from Vlad. I want to be subtle, but funny.
Like, maybe I'll describe my intentions in a spuriously naive way in response to another pencil-related comment, pretending not to notice the fact that Vlad has already liked the comment and will, therefore, likely see my reply. He will then provide a pencil recommendation in order to preempt me in an entertaining way, when in reality, he will have simply fallen into my cleverly-lain trap.
Something like that.
@@billy2807 I bit you good luck in your heroic quest for a pencil
"Unfortunately had to watch"! Well done! I managed two minutes before nausea overpowered me.
Agree with this sentiment.
How are you able to gather information
Interview itself is a big nothing-burger. Comment section on the other hand is scariest thing I have seen in years. All this people are real, they live among us
@@yyyy12344 by following intelligent posts and not idiots and propagandists, duh!
"Charlatan" is such a great word that gets used in Russian way more than in English. It's such a good description of many people that actively make things happen in Russia.
I also like "mountebank" and "grifter" but Russian lacks so many good words from French and English.
@@AstroGremlinAmerican Charlatan is a borrowed word.
@@EvgeniyYakushev-m2uEnglish borrowed from
French, with Italian origins, yes. But, Mr Gremlin said “French and English”…
We have torys too.
Pink Floyd wrote a song about them 'big man, pig man, haha, charade you are...
@@AstroGremlinAmerican isn't the "grifter" word have a different meaning more close to "parasitism"? Like when you advocate for consensus good cause but care only for your personal gain? Eg. cheering for Ukraine while making populist uninformed analysis is usually called grifting by Vlad
Pencils are a gateway drug.
To what? Fountain pens? Help.
@@_amalfitano Mechanical pencils.
Then someday you'll get to the hard stuff: sharpies. Then you'll be beyond help.
Was hoping you are doing well Vlad. Nice to see a video. Be well my friend.
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Very much appreciated your condensation of the Fascist concept to a synthesis of romanticism/conservativism/regression/revanchism/appeal to those threatened by modernity riding upon nationalist populist rhetoric, awkwardly conjoined with a vague revolutionary aspiration, the details of which to be revealed later, leaving all in the hands of the state. That seems a fairly comprehensive definition, certainly describes what we've seen so far from the last century of history, can well imagine of Russia in the making.
His definition is pretty weak.. in fact yours is a little (although not much) better as you recognize national identity is part of Fascism (Vlad did not). By his definition, Jihadists/Palestinaians are facist, and would be put in the same class as working-class populists (also Fascist apparently). Fascism used to be very well defined... but over the years it's been used as a label for "political views I don't think are acceptable". I think this is sadly the case here. Fascism used to mean Statism that prioritizes the states good over individual rights, ie: the Mussolini version of it. Working class populist movements are most certainly not in favor of increasing the states power over individuals! Conservatives are generally opposed to increasing state power also. I don't know or care for Dugan in the slightest.. but it seems like Vlad has to use the "modern definition" of "fascim" to label him a "fascist." Personally.. I don't think this helps the conversation much.
It’s interesting that Dugin, unlike Putin, literally gave what Tucker’s audience potentially wanted to hear. This is probably the difference between a person with believe and an opportunist.
Carlson, Ramaswamy, and Mearsheimer want Russia to join the West against China, but I have a feeling Putin wants to stick with China. It wouldn’t be hard for Dugin to turn against China since he’s against transhumanism, but for now Dugin supports China because they’re part of the anti-Western Russia-China-Iran coalition. Interestingly, the Right loves Musk despite his transhumanism (Neuralink).
At about 23:00, Vlad says that Dugan claims that woke-ism is a kind of hyperliberalism. And these are Vlad’s words, not Dugins. However, Dugin specifically did talk about Wokeism in response to Carlson mentioning that he felt that he is a “classical Liberal”.
Great to see you!
Haha excessive pencils... I actually cleaned out my collection a few years ago, only to have my dad decide I needed his immediately afterwards. I have yet to find a mechanical pencil that I'm truly impressed with though.
My pencil condition had two phases - the second was only mechanical. But they needed to be a bit industrial or mid century.
Ballograf are nice pencils.
@@Acekorv Thank you, never had one of those!
I got a bunch of nice U.S. Government mechanical pencils at a garage sale, obviously stolen.
Can't wait to listen to this. I was going to ask Vlad his thoughts on the Dugin interview. Will stop commenting now...at 40 seconds in!
Hi Vlad, hope your health is going in the right direction... Lots of love!
Lots of love!
Hheeeeelloooo community!!!! Fun words from the master xx
Khi!
@@VladVexlerChat Kha, Kha, Kha : ))
"substitute obscurity for clarity to give a pretense of depth"
A study of scientific journal articles and peer review showed that obscurity and obscurantist language was respected. This was years ago. I'm old.
“…muddy the waters to make them look deeper.” was another way Vlad expressed this idea.
Great video, but I would love to hear more of your thoughts specifically centred on the phenomenon of a Russian intellectual charlatan being interviewed by an American political-entertainer-charlatan and what that signifies for our political culture. You dealt with Dugin here, but not really on the Carlson interview, and I would be very interested in your take on that as a phenomenon in itself. I am still a bit mystified as to what kind of audience there is out there for an encounter between these two particular con artists.
Dugin, as in the case of Russian society, simply used all the hot topics of conservatives, pure opportunism.
Such a simple and short interview will get a lot of response.
How can you return from such bad health with such a video? One day you have to tell us your secrets.
Good to see you’re back. 🧡
He's doing it for us. ❤
There's a few moments here when I am just trying to keep coming out, any words!!
I was so upset when I saw a lot of positive comments under Dugin's interview video. How can people be so trustful😢
You see that with every video like that, especially those that Tucker fronts. They are people who are essentially locked in their own echo chamber, to an insane degree. Or they're just trying to fit into their group, and say what they need to say to do that.
Or they are bots.
@barracuda6900 Also traditionalists that liked having their views reinforced....also saw lots of comments praising Putin...they don't look at the full picture and see how all the suffering in Ukraine and also for the suffering of the Russian soldiers and their families.
Dugin used to self identify as fascist in the 90s, he hasn't changed much in that regard.
Dugin was a part of the Black Order of the SS. He was also a disciple of Aleister Crowley!
There are extant TH-cam videos of him reading Crowley’s poetry on stage at drama productions that featured multiple spinning Jesus figures tied to windmill crucifixes.
I wonder how this clown can square his devotion to the Megatherion or Great Beast 666 with his purported Christian orthodoxy?
Great to see you Vlad 😁. Take it easy Bud 🔱
You too!!
In the 1980s, Dugin recorded music and published it under the pseudonym “Hans Zivers”. Zivers refers to Wolfram Sievers, a German Nazi of the worst kind. Among other things, he was hanged for human experimentation in 1948. Sievers was head of the SS Ahnenerbe, whose director was Himmler. SS Ahnenerbe was an extensive organization that dealt with research into the origins of the Germanic race and served to spread Nazi ideology. In addition to human experimentation on Jews, the Ahnenerbe also initiated art trafficking. All this was already known in the 80s. Dugin deliberately chose his role model. This is the guy Carlson interviewed and American listeners actually applauded. Disgusting. Some ppl really call this disguised fascist seriously a “philosopher”. As a German, all I read in his publications is a mishmash of various other sick far-right ideological outpourings that he has somewhat tailored to Russia.
I also think that Dugin is beyond mere fascism, his ramblings on 'Ukrainian Race that needs to be wiped out' is 'National 'Socialist talk. A craziness even more dangerous than ideas of Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile. To my knowledge 'fascism did give everyone the chance to be oppressed, or reducated, or 'killed, while 'National 'Socialism, which is an euphemism for 'Racist 'Socialism had people 'wiped out just due to the accident of their birth.
I was thinking about the Nazi Dietrich Eckart, as well.
Where did you get this information from?
Dugin is on good terms with the KKK as well
@@EvgeniyYakushev-m2u Start with Wikipedia and google. You´ll find tons of informations on Dugin as well as on Ahnenerbe.
You are most articulate, thoughtful, sometimes over-the-top in a blue-bell ice cream rocky-road kinda way, and always someone I come back to for a large glorious dose of deep-dive. Keep up the goodness. (PS - I am jealous of your word-choices and deep-water insights).
Thank you so much.
@@VladVexlerChat....being compared to "Blue-Bell ice cream" is the utmost highest praise one can get from a Texan......
I agree...
Nice to see you back, hope your health holds up for a long, long time.
Edited "little Ng" back to intended "long". Glad you were able to interpret it :)
Thank you so so much!
Maybe you should do a video on the politics of despair. Seems to be an idea in lots of these movements.
The politics of doomism, I think I will get there!
It is hard to fathom how Russia can still produce characters such as Dugin , who reminds one of a villain from some 19th century novel .
On Tucker Carlson ; saw him( on TV) following Trump to the stage at a rally a few months ago . Carlson , with mouth agape, seemed to revel in the occasion, with the crowd wildly cheering and applauding Trump as he entered the venue ... Carlson reminded me of one of those side show clown heads with open mouth , moving left to right waiting for someone to drop a ping ping ball into .
Well done Vlad for painting a clearer picture on Dugins character and thinking . Have heard and read enough of that bent mans twisted ramblings ... Anyway listened to this video to the end , no need to hear anymore about those two loathsome men .
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So, there is a lot in this video about Dugin that is not found in his interview with Carlson. In fact, the main substance of this video is not about the interview. It would be appreciated to make more mention of how you know all this about Dugin, ie what you’ve read of his/watched of his. There are some references to past videos of yours, but that’s not enough for you to form this whole image of him. What else have you read/watched of his?
Buying pencils is never excessive 🙂
think of the trees!
@@rachelatwood9555 No worries, I use mechanical pencils. I buy pencil leads.
Fascism is enticing until it is used against you. Those that propose it with the best intentions always fall prey to the urge to start thinking they are invincible. We are human animals with a superiority complex that tells us we are so much smarter than our closest genetic relative even though we are 99.5 % similar. This inability to accurately assess our abilities is what allows all the strife,war,religions and inequities the World is constantly experiencing. We KNOW BETTER just not those that have the levers to enact change. Our best hope is-to go the Democratic route continually striving to help others. If we fail the world will continue to go on without us and the-next genetic trial will begin. The struggle continues...🤔
Continually striving to help others.. What do you mean by others? "Refugees"? "Migrants"? Foreigners from a completely different culture? Your own citizens?
@@CHarris1066 the dictionary defines You as other. The Nazis defined Jews as others,the Confederate States defined blacks as others,the Republican party uses anyone as others like the opposite political party a catchall that every Rightwing fascist group also uses. To the point where America a Democratic Republic is denounced as not being a Democratically Elected Country! The Constitution states otherwise but Evangelical Religion Rightwing MAGA supporters are trying to shoehorn Religion into Government expressly against the FIRST AMENDMENT of the CONSTITUTION. We as Humans are just the latest iteration of Homosapiens hopefully not the last.
You seem to enjoy playing on your home field.Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 🤔 Hoping the spring brings you better health 🌻❤
Thanks!
I will follow along on this narrow path of liberalism for as long as necessary.
I'm very happy to hear you finally talking about Jason Blakely's work. I hope you do get him on your channel at some point.
You must speak with your enemy, otherwise you can’t destroy him.
I loved he referenced The Terminator movie as the oracle of the future.
I think Carlson really shot himself in the foot with the Putin interview.
So much to the extent I had no idea until just now he has also interviewed Dugin.
Is he trying to be a higher paid version of Scott Ritter or Colonel McGregor?
Somewhere between Ritter, Lancaster, and MTG.
I congratulate the automatic subtitles for the term "The Crumblin". I wish though.
Dugin critique is illogical. He starts with an anti-liberal critique that suggests liberation (from hyper-individualism), but concludes by endorsing a different, restrictive political liberty (classical liberalism) that reinscribes traditional forms of authority and control. For ex. He stipulates the centrality of gender identity, but denounces any personal gender choice as ‘new liberalism’ which he thinks is just ‘leftist’, which is apparently bad, who knew?! So it is not difference that bothers him, but the liberty to make a choice, which he wants to subject to traditional authority which allegedly saves humanity from individual liberty by restoring his version of traditional liberty which is ‘difference without choice’. Could we just call it hierarchy? So basically fascism.
He uses a lot of words in interviews with Western journalists in order to present a confusing veneer of a very profound philosophical thought which seems to go beyond a particular political ideology. But if you read one of his books in which he is far more concise and clear, you can notice that he's actually completely fascist.
In the interview he didn't denounce anything, he simply outlined the trajectory of where things are going (post human world where humans are not necessary). Changing gender identity with choice may sound like fun but it only works within artificial social constructs. Those putinist societies have it in more practical way, so they'll just overrun you gender people like it happened in barbarians vs Rome historical period.
No, he is saying that choosing a different gender is seeking liberation from one's self. It is seeking liberation from reality.
Your concept of liberty is entirely wrong, which is why you are reaching such wrong conclusions. Liberty is the ability to do what is right, not the ability to do whatever you want.
@@alphaclam Except no one can be without gender, and people who change their gender do it to become their true self. It is an affirmation of the self and of a gendered reality. Which is exactly in line with your definition of liberty. Maybe you don’t understand people’s motives? You’d have to actually talk to trans people to understand them though. Something Dugin clearly hasn’t done.
@@mon_ange333mony4 theres a lot of that around these days. And it’s seductive at first because liberalism is problematic, but making it worse is not the answer.
I love you my friend, it’s nothing personal but the energy.
Constant energy that at minimum does not regress us, as can be the norm, whatever a listeners decides to do with the energy or what they gleam contains limitless potential.
And that is exhilarating.
The "Good Old Days Syndrome": a nostalgia for a better, vanished time which by definition never actually existed. For example, some people in the US have a "bad case of The Fifties".
When listening to you speak and how you approach things and ideas I wish people had 1% of your thoughtfulness. Thank you for your great work.
Dugin is the most dangerous form of Nut. A very clever Nut.
Valuable insights from an educated man.
Maybe its just me, but I find the usage of the term 'unlovely' rather problematic in a philosophical
and political context. At least it should be clear how it's definition is like when you are using it.
You are one of my guides
So long as it's with a small g we are good! And thank you so much!
"Moving to a place where Dugan is waiting for them" ...hmmmm...as a visual person I come up with, quite literally, a cold dark room somewhere , where possibly history could be made. A place where all has already been said and it's just time to shake hands on the "deal". A place, a room where many of us had on envisioned Pregozhin was on his march to Moscow. Or maybe that room is just a common prison cell....
I can't believe I got an advertisement asking me to donate to Trump at the start of the video. The ad placement algorithm seems broken.
I get those too...they tried to sell me a Trump teddy bear one time haha That's a hard pass haha Trump needs money, so I cut him some slack...he's selling all kinds of stuff now.
Dear Vlad, you are thousend times sharper, quicker and brighter ( even when you are unwell:((( than anyone I ever heard!
1) The reason why Dugin sees liberalism as a threat is because, well, many people before him saw democracy as a threat and liberalism is an extreme form of that. The main arguments there are: a - people are often led by emotions, b - most people are silly and uninterested (kinda like a topic to talk about a week before elections), c - because in democratic system a vote from a country's best intellectual would equal to one of a drunk. Combine those three and you get an Austrian artist leading the country because for just a moment he had the popularity and knew what people wanted (it was mentioned by Dugin, I believe, but the idea dates back to Plato).
2) Fascism is a thing... that cannot really be defined. It's a mutant of a regime that hardly can differ from regular dictatorship, authoritarianism, communism or a monarchy. Depending on how you perceive things, if you were to use that 7 famous sides of fascism, you can easily fit them into literally any country on earth right now. People might say that fascism is an ultimate form of capitalism, but in the same time, if you look from a perspective of state being a massive monopolistic company, wouldn't communism fit the description? Or do we simply view any form of strong central government as fascism?
I don't know if Dugin favors or promotes fascism since I have better things to do than to read his books (the Tucker's interview only confirmed my view of him being a populist jester), but either way, let him just be. If the extreme ideals are becoming popular then you just know that something is really wrong with the world we're living in and it is better to actually know what you're dealing with than to wait when sht is just about to hit the fan. The natural development of a society ultimately leads to the golden age which lasts for some time and then, hopefully, skips the phase of despotism when the cycle resets. Interfering with that cycle often leads to a catastrophe. In the end, people themselves are choosing the system they're living in. If the system is good - it doesn't need protection and cannot be corroded by ideas like Dugin's easily. But if it is something that currently in the US... well, you might prolong it's longevity, but you might also cause the fall will be much more painful than it should be. I was asking some friends from the US who are they supporting, but the answers were a bit unexpected - it was about NOT supporting someone (I don't like Trump so I vote Biden and vice versa). That is not a healthy system to have.
The democracy isn't about letting people to choose from something we like and approve. It is also opinions we're despising too - even though I find communism disgusting, I wouldn't ban its political parties even if I could. And even if I were to ban it, those people supporting the ideology would only become more organized and dangerous in exchange for having less supporters.
Don't know why but my tired brain was expecting Astrid lindgrens On the roof Karlsson or the legendary Erik on the roof Carlsson.
how much collaboration/overlap currently exists between Aleksandr Dugin and Steve Bannon, might we know? I see them as working towards a common greater societal endpoint, but play two very different roles in the project, itself
Someone recommended me a podcast episode (I think it' Conspirituality episode #82) where they talk about Bannon's mysticism and I believe they discussed his interest in Dugin.
Prof Vexler, I find my limitation in vocabulary to be a great obstacle to navigating between the clashing rocks of philosophical/political/psychological charlatanism and innovation. Could you please direct me to a good reading list to help me broaden my understanding of the terms of thought on these matters? I am newly retired and ready to read.
Thank you.
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I'd noticed that Dugin is into incomprehensible blather but I assumed that was just the influence of Martin Heidegger.
Thanks
Дякую за відео, Влад.
that should be seen on all TV channels
"Lettuce, START !"
I had to. ;)
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. We get it, Vlad. Carry on...
Thank you so much Gerald!
Dugin actually speeks poor Russian as well. Dugin is well known outside Russia, but not inside Russia. Why? Because the Rus state promotes him ans suppresses normal voices in Russia.
Russia promoting Dugin? Ukraine did that by murdering his daughter. Until then barely anyone talked about him.
Just starting, thanks fer makin this
As always, quite interesting, thanks.
Sorry if my comment is not on topic. I watched your channel alot when the war began, afterwards I started doing other things. One thing I noticed. Ccan't remember if it was on your channel or somewhere else. From what I know, Putin is a big fan of the USSR. But also has a picture of a great tar, can't remember now his name, sorry. The question was, how can these two images fit togheter? Wasn't the USSR all about eradicating nobility? Seems like a bih contradiction to me. I would like to assume that Putin is not crazy or illogical as many describe him to be. That explanation would seem rather naive.
Sorry for the typos.
There is a certain catch to my question. I remember an older politician being told by one of his suporters during an interview that he was 73. The politician corrected him and said he wasn't 73 buy 75. 75 being his actual age. At that age, I think that if as a politician you don't correct the supporter, some people might think that you are suffering from Alzheimer or something. Which wouldn't be great at all. You could end up like Biden, being called all sorts of names and not being able to do anything. Or like Trump, being forever called a narcissist.
This is like watching grass grow. Get to the point
Thank you, Vlad. Always interesting to hear you very sensible takes on such people as Dugin.
One of your clearest! Sending it to everyone. Thanks again
Today’s lesson was a masterclass. Thank you.
Michael Millerman has actually read Dugin. This video is too smug. Watch Millerman!!!
Thanks mate
Where can I find the interview?
Brilliant as always
Thank you so much for walking us through this, and watching the interview, so we don't have to. ; )
Vlad, I am curious if you are familiar with Ken Wilber and his work. His whole Integral model thing seems to be a good fit for what we are observing (the ideas of differentiation vs disassociation, and fusion vs integration, from "Sex, Ecology, Spirituality").
And I think he then applies that Integral model to the conflict of pre-modernity vs modernity, in "The Marriage of Sense and Soul - Integrating Science and Religion". His idea of mis-taking "differentiation" for a "disaster", and, instead of proceeding to healthy "integration", attempting to fix the "disaster" of "differentiation" by attempting to "restore order" by violently re-fusing the differentiated parties, back into undifferentiated, regressive, pathological union seems super-relevant to a lot of things that are observing.
If you are familiar with Ken Wilber's work, I would be very interested in your comments and thoughts on that. Is Ken Wilber's model useful for understanding and predicting what is currently unfolding?
Thank you!
Thank you so much Vlad.
My pleasure.
That is what we're doing!
Hi Vlad - Mr Dugin made the extraordinary claim that Western Liberalism has been on a very long "train" journey (several hundred-year journey with all manner of ups & downs)...He and other thinkers believe that we are approaching the final station or terminal station which he is referring to as "trans-humanism" where humans will have the option of integrating themselves with intelligent machines and AI...What are your thoughts?
Difficult for me to imagine an apologist for a criminal and criminal activity as not being himself a criminal.
Define criminal is I suppose important. Can we assume that all of us humans, in unison, define certain things as criminal?
Tucker the great melts down the morons yet again! Dugin seems likes a great guy! I would like to go fishing with him. Catch trout
I read dugin. Most of it. I found nothing intriguing. He did touch on one thing. The limits of freedom in liberalism. The idea of freedom. The contractions. If I recall. The argument had some merit? Its been years since I went through dugin. That was the only thing I remember that had merit. To myself at least. The rest was bathroom reading. That one part was the little diamond I found. Which isn't really uncommon. I've read a lot of people. Hundreds of pages. Books after books. To come upon something that finally made getting through it all worth while
"A healthy and nourishing way"... difficult to imagine how we can possibly apply such an approach to Tucker, Dugin and Russia.... but I'll push on..
Thank you - "Long" = Good !
" ... enemies to be destroyed ... "
That would be a problem. Usually, enemies are to be defeated, not destroyed. I don't understand the difference in mindset anywhere near well enough to say how it plays out when the people being seen that way are literally opponents rather than enemies.
Thanks Vlad, I really enjoyed this talk. ❤
My friend I am a woke as they come... But if I am wrong to be that... I would like to be informed about why I am wrong... Please 🙏 inform me why
Being awake is amazing. Politically awake.
@@SlpBeauty333 Yes, I think the initial idea of being woke was really good to bring about more inclusivity and empathy for others...which has very much grown and improved...but the problem is when identity politics are purposely used to stir up division and judgement.
@@SlpBeauty333 Vlad gave me moderator powers and every since I have had no problem with the comments. That seemed to fix the bug. But yeah I know it is frustrating when comments were disappearing...If I wrote a large comment I would copy it....so if it never appeared, I could just paste it. 😆
@SlpBeauty333 yeah I can see both comments. : ) The mystery of the disappearing comments.😄
@@SlpBeauty333 😆😆😆😆😆
I'm sorry you had to listen to that old looney.
This is why democracy is difficult but necessary.
He is a philosopher, he said at the beginning that this is his personal opinion.
You tell 'em, Vlad.
HEY Vlad :), came here just 2 give a like and say that you look pretty lively today which makes me RLY happy :). And YES we are trying 2 go forward in liberalism together! So happy you said it that way ^_^. Anw will watch full vid a bit later. And OFC THANK YOU!!
Vlad thoughts are delicasy to enjoy..
The man's rolling out the most basic scifi tropes to predict the apocalypse.
Very insightful and eye opening about what Dugin gets right. I also love how you characterize hyper identity politics as not an issue solely with the left.
Hitler also was an occultist
I like and agree with your use of "organic".
Thanks for your insights Vlad, as always an important & enlightening perspective.
Thank you so much!
Thank you, Vlad, for helping us sort through this mess (all of it) every day! The interview itself may have been a bit of a waste of time to watch, but it finally fully demystified "Putin's Rasputin" for me. Charlatan, indeed. Not even deep enough to satisfy my morbid curiosity about evil absurdities, more of a disappointment.
TC comes with the intellectual credibility that arises from failing both high school and college.