Why Has This Public Footpath Been Blocked? | Bury Footpath 78
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Question: Do you think it is ok for a private business to steal public land at the expense of the taxpayers?
In this video I discover what I suspect to be stolen public land, being paid for by taxpayers, in the form of Bury Public Footpath 78.
This public right of way is shown on the Bury definitive map, and runs between Roach Bank Road and Pilsworth Road.
On the north side is MI5 and Loreal, and on the south side is Albany, SGK and Expert Packaging.
It has been a few weeks between filming this and the video going on TH-cam.
I contacted Bury Council's Right Of Way Team, but I am yet to receive a response.
It would be helpful if others did the same too, and put a bit of pressure on them to address this.
This will be especially effective from people who live in the Bury area.
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I also have had no response from the guy I spoke with at the entrance to SGK. I did send a follow-up email, but also had no response.
So at this time, the identity of the landlord is unknown. SGK and Expert Packaging are their tenants.
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I also tried contacting Bury Ramblers association, however their captcha was not working, so an email could not be sent. If anyone else knows how to get in touch with them, feel free to show them this video.
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Often private landowners try and close it off and hope no-one notices!
Whoever developed the estate should have isolated the public right of way from the businesses
It was..
Originally the footpath had a fence on either side
it was isolated and fenced on both sides, the factory owner stole the land which now has to be returned and refenced to its original state.
So corporations can steal from the public but if a member of the public steals from a corporation they go to jail.
All they had to do was create the fence 6ft over to the left and leave the public land alone and then they would still have a fence around their property. Unfortunately this happens all around the country because the council don't have the means to check or don't care.
Came to say the same thing, the fact it's not 2m to the left makes it look more like a land grab.
Too easy and too selfish, Public forgotten by companies, 20 years of being a fool
It was there in 2017, they took down that fence and extend the property. The right of way is actually on freehold GM962195 with the land registry.
@@randgatewhat does that mean?
@@mickmcloughlin5816 I've only looked briefly at the land registry/busy-bee, but in simple terms... There are two freeholds next to each other, the path runs across one of the freeholds. It appears to me that the freeholder who has blocked the path with his fence and incorporated it into his property, is not the one whose land includes the path. So one freeholder is responsible to maintain the public right of way, but the other freeholder has taken it as their own.
There has been a couple of burglaries in my street recently so I might block off both ends of the road for “security” 😂 that guy knew 💯 % that it shouldn’t be blocked off
I get it though. In my neighborhood it was kinda rough in the 70's, but by the 90's when we opened our borders we got crimes we never dreamed of. Grapes without a G in company became very normal. And these little rat run pathways were were most of the most violent of these acts went down. Home invasions almost exclusively are launched from them too. Our public actually pushed to shut them all down and just surrender the land to whoevers house lined the area. These small rat runs are usually exclusively used for violent crime, no one walks down them because it's just not safe to.
Please keep us informed of progress on this please , companies can't keep blocking public rights of way . Thank you for highlighting
The only trouble here is the theft of public land.
Private land with public access.
Great job exposing this, they should put their fence on their own property. Stealing from the public should come with a heavy fine !.
Lady Ace.....Thank you for raising this. If this should turn out to be a 'land grab' as you have so aptly suggested then this cannot be allowed to go without any accountability from the Landlords. Please keep us all updated if you can?
Relieved that the staff were reasonable with you. There is always a danger where individuals think that when you are asking awkward questions, they could choose to react very unfavourably. You have to have eyes in the back of your head at all times.
I know that you do this anyway...so well done!!!
Should come back with some breaking tools and unblock the footpath.
the ramblers association have taken legal action in cases like this
Fantastic...they have been stealing public lands,rights of way for too long...❤️❤️❤️ This....well done ace audits....keep doing more of this please...xx
Should get a few friends and sit on the bench on the public right of way and have a spot of lunch, guaranteed that would get a funny response from the firm
Ramblers 😂
@@mortuaryartist ramblers don’t get old ,parts of them just start heading south,bad joke 😜
Ensure you report it to the council environmental health
Great Job. Disgusting how they steal these rights of way.
First guy was a dork. Keep on to this.
And also an idot, moaning about how security will allegedly be an issue if they reopen the right of way, despite the glaringly obvious fact that just such a public footpath also runs along the front of the property each side of the public road, but they didnt try to steal any of that land or close off the road or footpath!
Many of our paths, rights of way and ancient tracks are being closed or diverted on the weakest of reasons!
We all need to stick up for our vital right of ways
🤔...I'm pretty sure that these paths are there for many different reasons, and not just for "ramblers"!!
... Safety concerns, for example, in an emergency! ...I can just imagine someone, when taking that decision:
"Who cares about the public, and who's paying? ... We'll worry about that if the time comes!" ... Today is that time!! 🤪👍
Trouble is, the council don’t give a damn.
Thats why its important for people to kick up a stink about it, and complain to the council
The council will only care if the can make money out of it..buy taking the owners to court for blocking off the public access..they only care about money
Ace you are definitely onto something here! Thanks for investigating and following up on this.
Glad that you found a nice guy to listen and want to help with the landlord contact. The other guy did not want to listen and was very rude. Please keep up the good work to investigate and expose the land grabbers. Thanks ACE! 😊
Thanks Randy! Will be interesting to see what becomes of this one!
Right Randy? That guy needed a Karen wig and a high vis!
Cheers Ace! appreciate you busting open another footpath :)
Council probably knew all about it and have taken backhanders to turn a blind eye 👍
This is why you are one of the best auditors. Taking on proper things, not just looking for a fight.
Thank you :)
You could involve The Ramblers, if they're interested. They can serve notice on the company concerned. I dealt with this type or thing years ago in Wrexham North Wales. Ramblers were very active.
Same in Derbyshire 2002
Good work! PMSL Land grab!
send it to the council and get it re-opened..send crying boy some tissues
Well done Ace for highlighting this issue you've found two in a relatively short period in a smallish area of the country . How many more have there been over the whole of the UK. It's a form of stealth theft.
Judging by the way that first guy was acting (especially the second time you spoke to him) I wouldn't be surprised if he knew all about it.
All thanks to your local very bent councillors
They should be made to put it back at their cost
100%
You got yourself a new subscriber from Norway, due to your special interest in “land grabbing”.
As I see it, this is an international issue. Its a result of changes of mentalities, political submissiv people - idiots like the one guy on the video.
In Norway the laws are different, whereas laws back to viking age defines “all men’s right's” such as rights of movement, fish and gather berries. (Private properties have some limits to what’s private, as “ownership of land” doesn’t necessarily give the rights to exclude the public.)
Anyways, what I see happening all over Europe is turning streets in cities into shopping centers, connecting them with bridges and rooftops. Then an army of so-called security bullies the public into believing private rules and policies are in force. Next level is to gate off streets, as “private”. In the UK this is happening a lot, and this infection of society have a nasty tendency of spreading.
Please continue on this particular niche. It is extremely important defending public rights.
Thank you!
Thank you, and I totally agree. People need to stand up and defend our public places. Norway is a great country, loved visiting. Expensive though lol.
I hope you let us know how this unfolds, interesting that they would claim it without consent if that is the case.
Why are so many employees so opinionated about issues they clearly no nothing about.
ARRGGHH !!! My dead mother is once again, screaming in my ear. *"Berries grow on trees. You live in BURY !!! "*
*Thas dunt talk propa, like what us dus* ha ha ha
On his reasoning he would close the main road passing his entrance 😂😂😂
Well done ACE
P.S. Find out if he knows a Crooked Councillor.
Lived here for 40 year and it was always public right away there.. Company is in alot of trouble..
Get 'em Ace!
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if is a right of way it should be open to everyone ....................they closed it of illegaly
Looks to me like it could be currupt local officials 'turning a blind eye' to this obvious land grab. It would be interesting to find out what support the land owner was giving to the controlling political party when this was done. There's an American expression that their Auditors constantly use, 'Use it or lose it'. Unfortunately, when these industrial estates are built quite often we lose these right of way paths. Just imagine how lovely it would have been walking through those fields before the development.
Top Audit Ace, you are now Premier League. Auditing with a conscience. Footpath 78 has been walked every year between Boxing Day and New Years Day since 1998. The Right to Roam Ramblers adhere to the " Year and a day" dictum to stop this happening. If a mass intervention is required I'm sure Derbyshire Ramblers will assist.
The cry baby at the front unit needs to grow a pair.
His feelings don't trump the definitive map.
You have to wonder what else these developers get away with because someone should have looked at the site before it was signed off
Public land thief, hoping that he can flannel AA with lies.
Its land grabbing that doesn't belong to them what gives them the right. These companies think they can do what they want. I don't think so. Get them sorted Ace. Good vid.
You're a class act ace! Keep up the good work.
Well done.
The public right have way should have been fenced off from the factory in the first place.....he doesn't seem to have realised that, and also that would be the solution now.
"It was done yo stop robberies" .... "You are going to cause a lot of fuss over nothing!"
So, he thinks it's okay to allow a crime to be committed to stop a potential crime?
😂 that was a good one, he wasn't happy at the end. Surrender your rights for our security
He was lying, his 8 & 20 years contradict Google Street view from 2017 lol
Someone’s stolen some public land
An official complaint to the council needs to be made.
I would just assist the council myself, cut away this clearly placed by "mistake" fence, Maybe put up a little notice saying public path, and of course remove the other fence near the back which was "accidently" installed as well.
This has to opened back up
It needs a Traffic Regulation Order and without one it is theft and a breach of inalienable rights. Every council has a "Rghts of Way Officer" and a surveying authority and the report must be made to the Rights of Way officer ideally in writing and they will contact the surveying authority and they will determine if the right of way is blocked and collect evidence and find out who has unlawfully blocked it off. Never have a telephone conversation and deal only in writing and ensure every document is signed so they admit liability and if the landlord fences it off they can divert with consent.
I bet the company at the front are the site landlords - people who contest stuff with the attitude he’s got, usually have something to hide.
Fantastic content 👍
Love to know the outcome of this!
A follow-up will follow lol
Amazing work. We own these public rights of way. Walking is good for you, let's do more walking.
ha ha ha ha well done great work ACE x
You’re becoming the Columbo of Auditors 👏👏 Brilliant Stuff. Keep up the great work Ace✊🏽
Good for you .We, the people, are always walked over and no one is held to account for it .
Can't wait to hear the outcome. 👏👏
I suspect that guy has told the landlord to close it off and they’ve just done it without prior consultation. As you say ‘Land Grabbing’.
Use it or loose it. Sadly it's been so long it's never been there in many people's eyes. Yes u are correct, this was a land grab
Firstly, report it on your local Street doctor/fixmystreet website, that way there is a Public record of your complaint.
In your scenario a lock gated etc.. is a criminal offence under S137 of the Highways Act 1980, the local council has 2 months to remove/resolve the issue.
If not resolved start an internal 2 stage complaint against the council for not resolving the issue, if not resolved in 12 weeks report them to the Local Council Ombudsman or what I did was threaten the local Authority to take them to court for a magistrate to order them to remove the obstruction under section 130a in the Highways Act 1980
They will always hope you go away and not follow up, good luck!!
Nice one 👏👏👏 looks like cheeky/illegal shinanigans going on. 👍❤️🇬🇧
Last one before bed, and it's Ace up on the watchlist 😊
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Good on you AA protecting our rights 💯✊🏽
Well done and great investigative journalism, the lampost was visible through the bushes when you went round the back there so the footpath still exists but access is denied by the newly installed fence. Cheeky buggers grabbing land, have you tried accessing the footpath from the other side to see if it ends at their fence? A pair of bolt cutters would come in handy 😉
Angle grinder lol.
Because they fenced it off, the remaining Footpath is now overgrown
A land grab is theft !
Ah…..the old…..”it’s been like that for 20 years” argument 🙄
If you look at Google Street View, 2023, 2017, and 2015, you will see he was lying ;)
They only rented it in May 2019, it’s on the BC Real Estate website, then there is also a posting on their Facebook page August 2019 to say they had fully moved in. They’ve even added a picture of the site for good measure.
@@AceAudits No surprise there 👍🏼
Please keep us updated on this 🙏
Well done ACE, good investigating of theft of public land!!
Great Audit, It's a public right of way. Please keep us informed 🙏 Best Audit I have seen so far. Great work 👏 👍Did the landlord consult the council about fencing it off ? Becouse it doesn't sit well with the guy you spoke to which makes me think he knows a lot more than he is admitting?? His argument is totally rubbish regarding the potential of break-ins. You don't fence off a public right of way because of your security fears, You put your fence around your boundary. Not land grab !
Public right of way. something new ! makes a pleasant change from the norm. This is why you are the best around.
Great video - astonishing that someone stole the footpath!!
funny how they always have time to stick their nose in, but then remember they are in a very important meeting !
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You are good
*No one has ever complained*
Yes they have, ME about 1 minute ago YOU LAIR!
....." a lot of thieving goes on " what .., like the thieving of the use of the land by the public ...
Well done! Can't wait for follow ups on this one!
In America this happens all the time the owners as the last word you can't walk anywhere
These public footpath land-grab vids are great, something totally different from other auditors - more please! This is a recent land-grab for sure, street view proves it.
As someone who tries to add 100s of walkways to Google Maps, mainly in places like parks, cemeteries, and snickets around buildings, 99% of which are declined, as they just disappear from pending anywhere from 24 hours to 3 or 4 months later...
I've noticed 100s of snickets in my city, within a mile or two of my house, have become almost inaccessible sue to things like overgrown bushes, and at least 10 of them have had private gates fitted or have been built on.
One of those snickets is 0.1 miles from me.
It's roughly 25 metres long, and used to be around 3 metres wide until sometime between October 2014 and July 2015 when a neighbouring property, decided to extend their garden wall over around 2 metres of that snicket.
Therefore if they haven't had permission from the council (which I believe they haven't), then they've stolen around 50 square metres of land, to make a side garden which never existed previously, and no-one has done anything about it.
Nice find Ace. That first company seem to be really panicking, but public right of way is public right of way. The landlord could be in serious trouble for basically stealing land! Think this comes under section 4 of the Theft Act 1968.
"Been like this for over 20 years..."
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Yeah, he well and truly outed himself as a liar to the world 🤥
🤔...I'm pretty sure that these paths are there for many different reasons, and not just for "ramblers"!!
... Safety concerns, for example, in an emergency! ...I can just imagine someone, when taking that decision saying:
"Who cares about the public and who is paying? ... We'll worry about that if the time comes!"
... Well, it's looking like today is that time!! 🤪👍
There really is a lot of robbing going on at that site, the robbing of public land.
You are bang on with this…check historic street view…it wasn’t fenced off in 2008..2012..or 2017…it’s been blocked off quite recently….nice work…seems there was a path down the left of the building also…
They should have put the fence on the inside of the path and if security is an issue, then get better security or don't have a business there if it's that bad
Always carry various business cards with various levels of information available on it. Saves a lot of time, and costs $5-10 per set of cards.
That strip of grass looks brand new tbh, freshly planted. Same for the fencing which looks bolted on as an addition to block access.
The parking lot on the other end of the footpath might have done the same thing with their fence judging from Google maps. 🤔
Great investigative journalism Ace. How many other public right aways have been land grabbed. The guy with the attitude is a selfish person who was self..self…self. The issue is with the landowner who as probably done a swift one. This will be interesting on the answers from the correct authorities.
Ace detective on the case! don't grab that land she'll be in ya face! 😁
Just think of the taxes they may owe ha, Learned something from that ta.
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When he says they've been there for 8 years and it was closed off then think he was being a bit loose with the truth. As street view shows it being open 2017 and closed 2023 so maximum time would be a little over 7 years and probably less
@@garethwood3474 Yes, he was telling porky pies. Also the 20 years he mentioned too... 💩
Yes I commented before I got to that bit and if course it's everyone else's fault if their security is poor and they get robbed
Man speaks with fork tongue. How many of you noticed the street lamp behind the building at around 4:20 on. If this lane were blocked off the lamppost would have been removed. He tells big porkies. Defo a land grab.
Subbed and liked. I would love to see the outcome of this great bit of investigation.
Please update us on what the council says about it, I hope they could be made to pay on purchase the land should they want to continue occupying it@@AceAudits
Obstructed by a well 'trimmed bush' i bet . . .
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A lot of these workers and managers often don't understand much do they!?? 😂
All we often hear is 'I don't understand' 😂
Then you you try and educate them and we find out they really don't want to understand anyway and then they start crying. 😂
Pass the tissues round 😭😂
What do you mean, educate? You can't educate pork!🤔🥴
There are usually access officers in the council ( or someone with that role ) but I would first contact the secretary of the local Ramblers group for some local knowledge before talking to the council on the basis of never ask a question that you don't already know the answer too , that way you will know if the council are lying to you . A phone call will not do it , better to put in a FOI request and get them to answer it formally , this often comes up in Community Councils so look online for the one tgat covers that area and who the councillors are , and the local library should have an up to date map of Rights of way , local historians hang around there too often knowing more than the incumbent librarian.
Good luck
The company probably back handed someone in the Council!!
I'm happy for the moving of footpaths, around a business or around a new housing estate. *Just as long as they're still there, however slightly redirected. I'm happy.*
(ie) _like a lot of "cul de sac's" are there, because an ancient footpath, once went straight through the field that the estate was built on._
I remember MILITANT RAMBLERS in the 80's. That insisted on walking through peoples gardens and even through peoples homes and living rooms. RIDICULOUS!!
But BLOCKING is Illegal. Or once was.
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