Get a load of ramblers to protest by the gate, ramblers are a sturdy bunch, determined and angry when their rights are being violated. Good work ACE, appreciate your hard work.
It's partly why I contacted the ramblers. I thought they would have been up in arms and rallying their members. I was very disappointed that the local high peak group never responded 🤷 I tried! Perhaps my viewers can try, maybe they will have more success than I did
All this because certain individuals chose to overlook, or turn a blind eye, take a bung, etc., at the planning stage years ago. Solitors or legal teams are normally involved as well and should have made inquirys or searches for such a path. I smell corruption. I know who'll pay for this if any money is involved..... Us, the taxpayer as usual. Great work Ace. Thanks for the update.
This underhanded stealth move is well worth a gamble by these businesses especially with the lack of interest by of all people the council, this lack of interest just about sums up many councils all over Great work here Ace
Excellent update ACE 🎉🎉🎉🎉 I’d happily sign petitions or forward strong convicting feelings to the those that ought to hold accountability…… if it helps public to flex its rights 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Marvellous 🤩 Stay Strong AA 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🎉
Thx fir the update. Great work. . The course if action now is to find a councillor or 2 that will bring this up to set the wheels in motion. The council works cant pass the buck if the council members tell them to sort it out.
Hello, I used to live in the house next to the site, I used that path everyday going to school going to the shops for my mum and that site was our playground, it was called Lee Street in the 60s, how dare glossop caravans steal our land and our freedom to roam, I will be visiting my old stomping ground soon and I will open the gates and walk my path if anyone tries to stop me they will be very sorry nothing or no one can refuse access to the public path it is called Lee Street, which was demolished in the 60s I was born in woolley Bridge, I will be contacting glossop caravans and Derbyshire County Council they have both committed criminal acts and will be held accountable.
Well done on all your efforts on this one Ace. Very interesting. Unfortunately, my experience on several different matters has shown communications within and across councils leaves a lot to be desired. Initial enquiries are often met with either pushback or a “that’s not our responsibility” attitude
Surprising the council think they can't do anything with the PRoW being occupied. They are quick to issue enforcement notices for minor planning issues where a house is a few inches off it's location or too high. But a public footpath they seem to think they can't do anything. I'm sure the council can issue enforcement notices to the landowner.
The bollards are the same colour as the original fencing so we’re clearly part of the original installation. The gates however, are new and a different colour, so this leads me to suspect Travis Perkins knew that path existed which is why there were bollards there to allow members of the public to walk through. The newly installed gates now block the right of way.
I go past this upto 4 times a day and the gates moved towards the main road when TP moved out . The Google street view pictures are available back until may 2009 show the yellow fence (but I can’t really see a way past) maybe Google earth has older pictures so I can see what year the footpath was blocked
Surely, when planning permission was granted for the business to be built, the boundary lines would have been drawn and agreed, so any public footpath/right of way would be shown on those drawings/documents, so the developers would (or should have) adhere to those drawings/documents, so by looking into the land registry documents it would show who is to blame for building on a public right of way?
The old Travis perkins site was owned by and called 'Midco' previously. The footpath was open then and regularly used by myself and the community, I moved on the housing estate where you mention the path cutting through the houses in 1991 which joins on to the trail that is now not linked to the path. I can 100% assure you that the path was still open at around 2001 and that the path blockage was done initially by travis perkins, I'm sure they sold some land to glossop caravans to build the service centre there.
Brilliant work Ace and all credit to you. It's typical that no official body cares. I'd get onto a County Councillor and the local MP. You've even suggested a nice solution. It's a shitshow from the officials but typical waste of public money on idiots that simply don't care. Keep up the good work.
Wow thanks for the in depth explanations... Its shocking tho how these company's gets away with so much..... I wonder just how many of our public footpaths or even right of ways have disappeared over the years...
It's the sheer incompetence of councils not to check after planning is given through to completion, they will always pass the buck, kick the can down the road or blame someone else. Nothing unusual when working with public servants. it's an ingrained culture as with typically the work-from-home strategy employed by public servants.
So on my travels from Fleetwood to Selby, i got as far as Travis Perkins in Glossop only for my adventure to come to a dead end. Alas, i turned back and spent my hard earned elsewhere.
Excellent work on the follow up and research with various organizations. 🏆Viewers assisting Ace in requesting documents and inquiries!!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐ On the 2008 street view, it appeared Travis Perkins had obliterated their portion by that time as no signage was evident at the street or gate. Also after crossing the cycling route, the housing estate portion of FP81 route was not revised when then the housing estate was constructed but new path to the cycle route was constructed. Appears in years past Council and Travis Perkins were negligent in maintaining the public footpath access. In comparison, know of several dedicated footpaths through active quarry and aggregate sites where fencing and gates are provided to maintain public footpath access. So maintaining paths crossing a business yard is doable. Great education on footpaths and policies Ace!!! ⭐⭐⭐
Having personally emailed the Derbyshire County Council PROW officer, I was not impressed by his generic answers and one must question what exactly is the tax payer getting out of him and his couldn't give a fk/when someone is available/never in a bunch of Sundays department he's supposedly "working" in. It's as if we're all getting in the way of HIS cushty week. We've all raised the fact it's a breach of the Law and it's for Derbyshire County Council to act upon it, and NOT for them to throw it back. Very naughty of them. Deserves knocking up a division and letting the Chief Planning Officer know what a p.poor job we've all received from his PROW guy 😘 Plus there'll be a councillor too for this district and officers all jump for them! Cheers ACE👍
It’s not good when footpaths are blocked by stealth or any other means. It does seem in this case however that the footpath was blocked before Glossop caravans were on the site as they’ve only been there thirty five years so surely the previous owners of the site are in most part responsible for the loss and any cost associated to reinstate the detoured footpath . Whatever the outcome I found your videos on the subject very informative
Very good update , with 1.100 views on this update , if all sent a letter of complaint about this foot path being taken would this not help push for some action by the council . Also as it clearly can be seen that the caravan company has taken over this land it should be down to them to reinstate the public footpath 🤔
I just watched your earlier video on this matter and subscribed to your channel. I went to the main YT menu and up popped this update! Your proposed reroute makes sense and I wish you success in achieving a good result. But all this larceny by stealth and council indifference to following through with such matters is shocking. But this is the way of things in a country that has lost its sense of fair play. If it ever had one. Good luck.
Thanks for the follow up and stirring the pot. It seems that Bill's 2017 report was ignored in a sweep it all under the footpath manner. Cheers from Bali.
BRILLIANT follow up Ace. Really enjoyed watched you following this up along with the original video. I'm a reasonably new sub who joined just when you had your injury. Hope you're recovering well, BUT TAKE YOUR TIME! I'm looking forward to more content but not at the risk of your health :) Much love to you, friends and family
Everyone should head to their trust pilot page and leave a review about them stealing our rights of way. I’ve messaged them on Facebook so far. Shame on them.
So basically the council can't take any action as part of the action would be against themselves for granting previous planning permissions that were not on land owned fully by the applicants. It's in the interest of everyone except the general public , of which there seems to be only one complainant, to let the present situation continue without intervention
In my experience this needs a cooperative approach between every organisation involved in some way, including the two companies, the local authorities, Ramblers Association and local community. This is the best way to achieve some joint ownership of the problem and to gain satisfactory funding for positive action. However, this approach does need someone or some body to take the initiative to lead the partnership. This requires motivation, time and skills. Maybe you could take the next step to identify and motivate that body even if you can’t take on the longer term management of the process. Maybe DCC should be earmarked to lead this as it is the statutory Highway Authority?
You may want to search for the following delegated decision report that shows permission was applied for and approved to MOVE the path and extend the yard (Looks like they forgot to relocate it): "HPK/0002/9468 - Extension of existing open storage by construction of fenced yard and relocation of Footpath 81 - Approved 06/12/1990 "
It's shocking that these companies think they can get away with stealing public land and ignore orders from the authorities with impunity. Great info, thanks!
So Ok, there is now a fence in the way and getting it removed is complicated - but if I don’t mind climbing the fence I’m ok? Is this right? So I’m not actually trespassing?
Well what a kerfuffle between councils. Amazing how a blind or blinkered (nudge nudge say no more) look at permissions whilst applying for building across public right of way isn’t it? But woah betide you build an extension on your house 20 cm too far. Another long winded game of pass the book entails by the looks of it. Too many public pathways are lost like this it’s an outrage! Once they’re gone they’re gone forever. Keep up the good work and have a speedy recovery.
Nope, the ROW exists and you are free to abate any obstruction on said path. You are also free to cross any adjacent land to get around any obstruction. My ROW contact at my county council carried a cordless angle grinder as part of their trade. Surprised that DCC do not replicate this.
Now that would make great content if a date was set for lots of if not hundreds of ramblers turned up with ladders to walk the path that is rightfully there’s to do so.
I know what i always do when i come across a block footpath! I simply continue by climbing or walking around. Seeing as in this case they have blocked my way passed the gate, id just climb over. Thats the fun..
Good on ya for following this up shame the local authorities aren't really interested as it's" just a footpath" I'm sure they would be right on it if it was a substantial piece of land they could sell develop or lease out kinda disgusting tbh but expected . Hope you're getting better and taking as much time to rest as you can
They are the first to take anyone to court for building a shed on their back garden without planning permission, but dont give a fig for a company stealing public land.
Doesn’t look good on Glossop Caravans, it almost appears like they knew and did nothing and now it’s in their interest to do absolutely nothing. They don’t deserve the trade for doing that?
Great to see that you followed up on this, it would seem that company's can take away our public rights of way and the authorities are reluctant to reinstate our rights of way, who knows, maybe the council sold that land without any consultation with the public, hoping it would go un noticed, well its now come back to light.
Perfect example of why Audits by members of the public are so important 😢
Basically, whichever company is now occupying the area containing the footpath has stolen public land.
Good work, Ace
Not if the council sold the land without consultation, hoping it would go un noticed, who knows?
Get a load of ramblers to protest by the gate, ramblers are a sturdy bunch, determined and angry when their rights are being violated. Good work ACE, appreciate your hard work.
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It's partly why I contacted the ramblers. I thought they would have been up in arms and rallying their members. I was very disappointed that the local high peak group never responded 🤷
I tried!
Perhaps my viewers can try, maybe they will have more success than I did
@@AceAudits Pushing a cow out of the way is not the same as a caravan I suppose 😂😂😂
All this because certain individuals chose to overlook, or turn a blind eye, take a bung, etc., at the planning stage years ago.
Solitors or legal teams are normally involved as well and should have made inquirys or searches for such a path. I smell corruption. I know who'll pay for this if any money is involved..... Us, the taxpayer as usual.
Great work Ace. Thanks for the update.
Now that’s how you audit. See it through beyond the camera footage. Investigate, approach other relevant bodies. True journalism. Fascinating stuff.
You could ask the Local Government Ombudsman to investigate, just a thought.
Try building your fence 2" too high soon make you tear it down ,great follow up thanks ACE
Continued good health Ace Audits! You are "hugely inspiring"!!😊❤
Thankyou very much!
This underhanded stealth move is well worth a gamble by these businesses especially with the lack of interest by of all people the council, this lack of interest just about sums up many councils all over
Great work here Ace
Unfortunately this is so true....
Excellent update ACE 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I’d happily sign petitions or forward strong convicting feelings to the those that ought to hold accountability…… if it helps public to flex its rights 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Marvellous 🤩
Stay Strong AA 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🎉
Thx fir the update. Great work. . The course if action now is to find a councillor or 2 that will bring this up to set the wheels in motion. The council works cant pass the buck if the council members tell them to sort it out.
Hello, I used to live in the house next to the site, I used that path everyday going to school going to the shops for my mum and that site was our playground, it was called Lee Street in the 60s, how dare glossop caravans steal our land and our freedom to roam, I will be visiting my old stomping ground soon and I will open the gates and walk my path if anyone tries to stop me they will be very sorry nothing or no one can refuse access to the public path it is called Lee Street, which was demolished in the 60s I was born in woolley Bridge, I will be contacting glossop caravans and Derbyshire County Council they have both committed criminal acts and will be held accountable.
Well done on all your efforts on this one Ace. Very interesting. Unfortunately, my experience on several different matters has shown communications within and across councils leaves a lot to be desired. Initial enquiries are often met with either pushback or a “that’s not our responsibility” attitude
Surprising the council think they can't do anything with the PRoW being occupied. They are quick to issue enforcement notices for minor planning issues where a house is a few inches off it's location or too high. But a public footpath they seem to think they can't do anything. I'm sure the council can issue enforcement notices to the landowner.
The bollards are the same colour as the original fencing so we’re clearly part of the original installation. The gates however, are new and a different colour, so this leads me to suspect Travis Perkins knew that path existed which is why there were bollards there to allow members of the public to walk through. The newly installed gates now block the right of way.
I go past this upto 4 times a day and the gates moved towards the main road when TP moved out . The Google street view pictures are available back until may 2009 show the yellow fence (but I can’t really see a way past) maybe Google earth has older pictures so I can see what year the footpath was blocked
Surely, when planning permission was granted for the business to be built, the boundary lines would have been drawn and agreed, so any public footpath/right of way would be shown on those drawings/documents, so the developers would (or should have) adhere to those drawings/documents, so by looking into the land registry documents it would show who is to blame for building on a public right of way?
The old Travis perkins site was owned by and called 'Midco' previously.
The footpath was open then and regularly used by myself and the community, I moved on the housing estate where you mention the path cutting through the houses in 1991 which joins on to the trail that is now not linked to the path. I can 100% assure you that the path was still open at around 2001 and that the path blockage was done initially by travis perkins, I'm sure they sold some land to glossop caravans to build the service centre there.
I can remember this path too
Brilliant work Ace and all credit to you. It's typical that no official body cares. I'd get onto a County Councillor and the local MP. You've even suggested a nice solution. It's a shitshow from the officials but typical waste of public money on idiots that simply don't care. Keep up the good work.
Wow thanks for the in depth explanations... Its shocking tho how these company's gets away with so much..... I wonder just how many of our public footpaths or even right of ways have disappeared over the years...
It's the sheer incompetence of councils not to check after planning is given through to completion, they will always pass the buck, kick the can down the road or blame someone else. Nothing unusual when working with public servants. it's an ingrained culture as with typically the work-from-home strategy employed by public servants.
Build something in your own garden and the council will know about it and go crazy, build over a public footpath for decades? MEH.
I love how time and resources are a consideration for opening a public footpath, try giving that excuse for your rent or gas bill....
So on my travels from Fleetwood to Selby, i got as far as Travis Perkins in Glossop only for my adventure to come to a dead end. Alas, i turned back and spent my hard earned elsewhere.
Excellent work on the follow up and research with various organizations. 🏆Viewers assisting Ace in requesting documents and inquiries!!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐
On the 2008 street view, it appeared Travis Perkins had obliterated their portion by that time as no signage was evident at the street or gate. Also after crossing the cycling route, the housing estate portion of FP81 route was not revised when then the housing estate was constructed but new path to the cycle route was constructed. Appears in years past Council and Travis Perkins were negligent in maintaining the public footpath access.
In comparison, know of several dedicated footpaths through active quarry and aggregate sites where fencing and gates are provided to maintain public footpath access. So maintaining paths crossing a business yard is doable. Great education on footpaths and policies Ace!!! ⭐⭐⭐
Having personally emailed the Derbyshire County Council PROW officer, I was not impressed by his generic answers and one must question what exactly is the tax payer getting out of him and his couldn't give a fk/when someone is available/never in a bunch of Sundays department he's supposedly "working" in. It's as if we're all getting in the way of HIS cushty week. We've all raised the fact it's a breach of the Law and it's for Derbyshire County Council to act upon it, and NOT for them to throw it back. Very naughty of them.
Deserves knocking up a division and letting the Chief Planning Officer know what a p.poor job we've all received from his PROW guy 😘 Plus there'll be a councillor too for this district and officers all jump for them! Cheers ACE👍
It’s not good when footpaths are blocked by stealth or any other means. It does seem in this case however that the footpath was blocked before Glossop caravans were on the site as they’ve only been there thirty five years so surely the previous owners of the site are in most part responsible for the loss and any cost associated to reinstate the detoured footpath . Whatever the outcome I found your videos on the subject very informative
cheers love
Very good update , with 1.100 views on this update , if all sent a letter of complaint about this foot path being taken would this not help push for some action by the council . Also as it clearly can be seen that the caravan company has taken over this land it should be down to them to reinstate the public footpath 🤔
Here on a new estate in Goosnargh the local council ‘failed ‘ to notice that a footpath runs through a number of people’s new house living rooms!
I just watched your earlier video on this matter and subscribed to your channel. I went to the main YT menu and up popped this update!
Your proposed reroute makes sense and I wish you success in achieving a good result.
But all this larceny by stealth and council indifference to following through with such matters is shocking. But this is the way of things in a country that has lost its sense of fair play. If it ever had one.
Good luck.
No passing the buck there.
lol
It must be frustrating dealing with these people.
Remember:
"They work for us"
Thanks for the follow up and stirring the pot. It seems that Bill's 2017 report was ignored in a sweep it all under the footpath manner. Cheers from Bali.
BRILLIANT follow up Ace. Really enjoyed watched you following this up along with the original video. I'm a reasonably new sub who joined just when you had your injury. Hope you're recovering well, BUT TAKE YOUR TIME! I'm looking forward to more content but not at the risk of your health :)
Much love to you, friends and family
❤️
Great investigation.......hope it can get sorted.
So they stole from the public and they are aloud to get away with it shocking
Can’t WAIT..😊
Thanks
Thank you very much for the support ⭐
Everyone should head to their trust pilot page and leave a review about them stealing our rights of way. I’ve messaged them on Facebook so far.
Shame on them.
someone has taken a back hander
So basically the council can't take any action as part of the action would be against themselves for granting previous planning permissions that were not on land owned fully by the applicants. It's in the interest of everyone except the general public , of which there seems to be only one complainant, to let the present situation continue without intervention
Everyone leave a Google review for the offending company to see if this makes a difference
In my experience this needs a cooperative approach between every organisation involved in some way, including the two companies, the local authorities, Ramblers Association and local community. This is the best way to achieve some joint ownership of the problem and to gain satisfactory funding for positive action. However, this approach does need someone or some body to take the initiative to lead the partnership. This requires motivation, time and skills. Maybe you could take the next step to identify and motivate that body even if you can’t take on the longer term management of the process. Maybe DCC should be earmarked to lead this as it is the statutory Highway Authority?
You may want to search for the following delegated decision report that shows permission was applied for and approved to MOVE the path and extend the yard (Looks like they forgot to relocate it):
"HPK/0002/9468 - Extension of existing open storage by construction of fenced yard and relocation of Footpath 81 - Approved 06/12/1990 "
It's shocking that these companies think they can get away with stealing public land and ignore orders from the authorities with impunity. Great info, thanks!
So, the official purpose of the public right of way team is what exactly?
So Ok, there is now a fence in the way and getting it removed is complicated - but if I don’t mind climbing the fence I’m ok? Is this right? So I’m not actually trespassing?
When resources are available,
So never then !😢
Well what a kerfuffle between councils. Amazing how a blind or blinkered (nudge nudge say no more) look at permissions whilst applying for building across public right of way isn’t it? But woah betide you build an extension on your house 20 cm too far. Another long winded game of pass the book entails by the looks of it. Too many public pathways are lost like this it’s an outrage! Once they’re gone they’re gone forever. Keep up the good work and have a speedy recovery.
Is it tresspass if i go down there with a ladder and start using the public right of way
Nope, the ROW exists and you are free to abate any obstruction on said path.
You are also free to cross any adjacent land to get around any obstruction.
My ROW contact at my county council carried a cordless angle grinder as part of their trade.
Surprised that DCC do not replicate this.
Now that would make great content if a date was set for lots of if not hundreds of ramblers turned up with ladders to walk the path that is rightfully there’s to do so.
@@davemurphy7533AND bring Central ITV news there to film it😁👍
High peaks borough council have a very good website. There anyone interest can report the footpath issue. Regards
Bless get back soon 😎👍
As and when time and resources allow, AKA.....never. It's a shame, as so many rights of way disappear in this manner! ☹☹
ooopps ive missed ur live stream sorry i will watch later
Great job. The caravan guy was very ignorant.
as per usual everyone in high office does not give a flying fig & blames each other & pushes the issues into infinity
I know what i always do when i come across a block footpath! I simply continue by climbing or walking around.
Seeing as in this case they have blocked my way passed the gate, id just climb over.
Thats the fun..
If someone builds a garage without planning permission they have to pull it down, at own expense, what is the difference?
Good on ya for following this up shame the local authorities aren't really interested as it's" just a footpath" I'm sure they would be right on it if it was a substantial piece of land they could sell develop or lease out kinda disgusting tbh but expected . Hope you're getting better and taking as much time to rest as you can
They are the first to take anyone to court for building a shed on their back garden without planning permission, but dont give a fig for a company stealing public land.
@@wolvoman1 and charge council tax if it's over a certain size
What if the audit community sponsor the installation of that new path? Could someone get a ballpark figure and if its even viable?
Anyone tried the press?
Doesn’t look good on Glossop Caravans, it almost appears like they knew and did nothing and now it’s in their interest to do absolutely nothing. They don’t deserve the trade for doing that?
Great to see that you followed up on this, it would seem that company's can take away our public rights of way and the authorities are reluctant to reinstate our rights of way, who knows, maybe the council sold that land without any consultation with the public, hoping it would go un noticed, well its now come back to light.
Your problem is you're asking officials to actually do their jobs... They do the bare minimum for their wage
Derbyshire County Council have always been incompetent.
So, developers can steal public land with impunity. Sounds like modern Britain to me.
Bollocks in subbed
Just an illegal land grap