We did have 6mm and 19mm pre 2010 but one was part sander part polisher and the other being an accessory to fit onto a grinder or rotary polisher. No one does educational videos as well as you kelly. World class.
I have the exact same number of subscribers as LCM as of this post - and that isn't right. ANYONE watching this should be subscribing to Lake Country - they are putting out some of the best technical content I have seen.
Great choice!! That is my go too now. Love that tool. Rupes is great and I used for many years and still do. Love a cordless polisher. PLus the Milwaukee has amazing rotation.
My prefers choice is the Rupes lhr15 seems easier to control ,although for sticker paint the weapon of choice would be an 8mm with a slower speed faster arm moment. Enjoy the videos please keep them coming 👍
I have a 12mm and 15mm Flex Polisher. Now I understand the differences in the pads better. I love the results my polishers give but now I can use them to full advantage! Thanks for posting a great video.
Kelly, I prefer forced rotation DA Polishers than free spinning DA Polishers just my preference. The two machines I use are Rotary and Gear Driven Forced Rotation DA Polishers!
Cutting with 5" LC Low Lint Prewash Knitted Lambswool which has 3/8 Foam Interface on the rotary, polishing with 5" HDO Orange on 8 mm forced rotation and getting into the tighter spots with LC 3" Purple Foamed Wool. This combination is killer, on 2 steps and especially hard clears, especially BMW / Mercedes. I'm a big fan of the 5" / 3" Orange Force pads as well, that thickness allows me to use the edge of the pad and reach body lines that are difficult to get the on other shaped pads. Thanks Lake Country your quality of pads are the best on the market. SUBSCRIBED !
One of the best pad's . Since many many years.. large stroke for correct the Deepest scratch and low trow for have the best glossy. Anyway my best combos rotary buffer for cut follow by orbital for make the job perfectly done quickly
Thanks for explaining that. I was little confused. I thought HDO was for rotary only. I'm just a intermediate detailer. Learning yet. I've used HDO orange on my 15mm d.a. I liked it.
Great information as always. My go to is the LHR15 M3. I just using the Duetto for the medium or fine refinement and getting really amazing and interesting results.
I’m getting on really well with a 15mm throw and hdo pads , my black pads don’t seem to break down at all I’ve only recently replaced some after a good 6 weeks which would be about 30 corrections , I replaced it as it started to go soft but I was amazed by the durability
15mm is my go to orbit.. I just have a ton of SDO pads but I will be replacing them with the HDO going forward. I actually prefer microfiber over the foam when cutting and swap to foam for final polishing.
Question-price aside, I think I would like the stability and consistent polishing/cutting of the HDO pad even on my 8 inch short throw DA. Is there any downside at all to using the HDO version of pads? Thank you!
Absolutely no downside at all; from the wording of your question I can tell you have a clear understanding of the product, and I hope you use them to great effect :)
Hey Kelly, Eric from Lake Country suggested the orange SDO polishing pads with Meg's Ultimate Polish (or M205) for my Porter Cable 7424XP. Does this make sense to you? Cheers
Force driven 8mm every time. When i use the long throw polishers i spend more time concentrating trying to keep the pad rotating. I use the HDO pads on the force drive polisher and they work well.
I have one of the new ones, works great but I miss the splash guard . I keep spraying crap everywhere when I get in the zone and forget to get far enough ways from what I’m working on.
Hi at the 2:15 mark of the video, you said it would wear down the pad quicker, referring to the HDO pad u were holding. So do u mean the HDO which is more than double the price of the SDO pads here in Australia, are going to wear out faster than SDO? I'm confused. Ive been using SDO pads on a 15mm 5" and 3" polisher and theyve been working fine so far. Havent got any HDO pads to compare at this point. But at double the price will the HDO last twice as long under the same conditions? Thx in advance
By reducing the internal flexing, the HDO design will do a better job of keeping the operational foam (the coloured bit) working at its best for longer. It counters the extra stresses caused by larger throw orbits, while simultaneously taking greater advantage of them. As you've found, SDO pads will work on a 15mm orbit - but you'll notice HDO pads feel and behave quite different, with increased control and improved operational efficiency (ie. they get the job done better, and quicker). As a user myself, HDO is my go-to over SDO every time. They're more expensive to buy, but I find the benefits outweigh that price difference comfortably. Try one and let us know what you think?
I think I am biased, because I am a painter. I used rotary for many years and still do for new paint. 21 for existing paint because I Crave the speed and am not scared of cutting through. I also use wool for 90% of the compounding that I do, foam just to polish.
I've spent the weekend working with the LC Manufacturing microfibre pads. Used a 15mm, 8mm and 9mm 'mini'. A combo of the blue cutting MF and the black polishing. I used 5" pads on the 15mm machine, 3" pads on the 8mm and 1" on the mini. How does that translate to this video? I got great results with them all. Or are MF pads different as they are much thinner so get less flex?
I believe that polisher is an 8mm throw, so the SDO will be just fine. However, many users actually just prefer the feel of the HDO pads outright (regardless of the throw of the tool) so it may be worth trying both designs - we'd love to know which version you get on with best!
I use 21 mm throw vertool because some of the monsters I polish I can’t waste time doing lots of passes so I go light or heavy where required , I don’t get many 2 week old Ferrari s to polish , mostly black bm s and mercs with granite for paint and enough tar to resurface a small path
What about the Forced Rotation machines ( I use Flex XCE with HDO CSS) does the same thing apply ? and what are the advantages of (HDO-CCS / SDO-CCS) vs (HDO / SDO) ones ?
The HDO line is also suitable for forced dual-action polishers in exactly the same way :) As for the advantages of CCS - th-cam.com/video/Ht_UszvLB0g/w-d-xo.html One thing also not mentioned often enough is that the CCS pockets are closed cell, whereas the rest of the pad face is open cell. This means that some of your fresh compound or polish will be retained 'undiminished' on the pad face for longer, allowing you to do longer passes and improve your workflow efficiency - you can literally carry out a pass, give the pad a quick squeeze onto the panel, and see that more fresh compound has been released. It's a genuinely useful trick / hack / technique :)
I guess my thing is unless there is some very specific performance reason you want an SDO, the HDO seems to be more versatile, as it can be used on all machines just fine. I'd rather buy a single range of pads that all my machines can use, rather than double the pads to split between them. Though I'm mainly a DIY detailer and not a pro with heavy volume.
Every day's a learning day.... Now I know, I can apply this into future works 15mm max for me.... dropping down to 8 and 3 on the ibrid nano and flex pxe80 Would this HDO and SDO distinction be applicable to forced rotation machines as well as random orbit DA?
Yes :) HDO pads are great but, as the video explains, the benefits are more noticeable on larger throw orbital machines. That's not to say there's any technical downside to using an HDO pad on a smaller throw machine - if you just like the look and feel of them, carry on! But the SDO pads use the same foam on the face, and the simpler construction means they are cheaper to buy.
I bought a couple of blue and orange HDO foam Pads. Some of them are slightly bent so not 100% flat. Some more some less some not at all. All unused in the sealing bag. Ist this normal, should I claim them? Thanks you for your Help!
It's not impossible that this could be from storage/handling/shipping, however once hooked up onto a backing plate my guess is they will straighten out. Go ahead and use them, but if you experience any difficulty as a result of the bend please do contact the retailer and/or tech.help AT lakecountrymfg.com
Can't really answer that. As each throw has a specific purpose. 21mm for extremely large areas or vehicles to cut down speed. 15mm is essentially the go to, being an all around effective cut and finish. And 8 mm is for that precise cut. A particular area. 12mm is for those 3 inch areas that you just need to be efficient on. So if I pack a bag. Its would be my 15mm and 12mm
Hi Matt, we would recommend the SDO in those cases. The extra rigidity doesn't hurt what you are doing, but you may be spending more than you need. Great Question!
The thin Purple Foamed Wool pads - recommended for use on orbital polishers - are best used in heavy cutting situations. You'll remove defects more quickly, but need additional stages of refinement after.
Hi Matt, the HDO and SDO lines go down as low as to fit a 3" backing plate. For 2" and 1" foams, our Force range has you covered, and we also make microfiber pads in all of these sizes. You can see some of them featured in this video from last year - th-cam.com/video/p1t_Jltvx64/w-d-xo.html
Hi LC, what happened and you don't send to your partners HDO pads for months? I live in Greece, I want to buy the pads and they are out of stock very long time!
Hi, we apologize. As you know, just as with many other products, that there is been a large increase in demand in automotive detailing products. As such, we have adjusted our projections and are shipping out daily to distributors.
@@LakeCountryManufacturing Been enjoying your content lately,not got round to trying your pads yet,got a fair stock of rupes, but hearing great things, well done.... tough market.
ummmm ive been using the SDO's on my long throw forever they work great. HDO's are priced like they have gold flake in them. lol I do have some HDO"s they make the job quicker but the SDO's were fine before the HDO was created so don't think you have to buy the HDO bc you have a long throw, this guy is a business man so of course he is trying to sell the most expensive pad they have. SDO's work just fine. Other companies don't have that extra layer in there pads and they are fine.
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We did have 6mm and 19mm pre 2010 but one was part sander part polisher and the other being an accessory to fit onto a grinder or rotary polisher. No one does educational videos as well as you kelly. World class.
We appreciate the kind words, definitely share the content and let others know if you got use out of these videos.
I have the exact same number of subscribers as LCM as of this post - and that isn't right. ANYONE watching this should be subscribing to Lake Country - they are putting out some of the best technical content I have seen.
That's really appreciated, thanks! Have you subbed to us?
@@LakeCountryManufacturing Of course :)
I picked up the Milwaukee 15” as my first DA and I love it.
Great choice!! That is my go too now. Love that tool. Rupes is great and I used for many years and still do. Love a cordless polisher. PLus the Milwaukee has amazing rotation.
Cracking video explaining differences between short throw and long throw as well as HDO pads compared with standard
Thanks Ranjit!
My prefers choice is the Rupes lhr15 seems easier to control ,although for sticker paint the weapon of choice would be an 8mm with a slower speed faster arm moment. Enjoy the videos please keep them coming 👍
The ultimate variable is the person! Great thought process.
I have a 12mm and 15mm Flex Polisher. Now I understand the differences in the pads better. I love the results my polishers give but now I can use them to full advantage! Thanks for posting a great video.
You're welcome, be sure to let us know how you get on :)
Kelly, I prefer forced rotation DA Polishers than free spinning DA Polishers just my preference. The two machines I use are Rotary and Gear Driven Forced Rotation DA Polishers!
Cutting with 5" LC Low Lint Prewash Knitted Lambswool which has 3/8 Foam Interface on the rotary, polishing with 5" HDO Orange on 8 mm forced rotation and getting into the tighter spots with LC 3" Purple Foamed Wool. This combination is killer, on 2 steps and especially hard clears, especially BMW / Mercedes. I'm a big fan of the 5" / 3" Orange Force pads as well, that thickness allows me to use the edge of the pad and reach body lines that are difficult to get the on other shaped pads. Thanks Lake Country your quality of pads are the best on the market. SUBSCRIBED !
Awesome, thanks for watching!
Great video and info. I prefer a 15mm DA over the 21. Love the HDO pads.
A lot of good things happen with a 15mm random orbital polisher, that's for sure. Arguably the 'sweet spot' for modern paint types and defects.
One of the best pad's . Since many many years.. large stroke for correct the Deepest scratch and low trow for have the best glossy. Anyway my best combos rotary buffer for cut follow by orbital for make the job perfectly done quickly
Massima efficienza!
Thanks for explaining that. I was little confused. I thought HDO was for rotary only. I'm just a intermediate detailer. Learning yet. I've used HDO orange on my 15mm d.a. I liked it.
Glad we could help!
Great information as always. My go to is the LHR15 M3. I just using the Duetto for the medium or fine refinement and getting really amazing and interesting results.
Went from CCS pads to HDO pads on my 5" 15mm machine, and they are great. Also bought a set of HDO pads for my 3" 12mm polisher.
Good stuff!
@@jodybintang9800 they work very well!
I’m getting on really well with a 15mm throw and hdo pads , my black pads don’t seem to break down at all I’ve only recently replaced some after a good 6 weeks which would be about 30 corrections , I replaced it as it started to go soft but I was amazed by the durability
Fantastic, we're glad to hear it :)
15mm is my go to orbit.. I just have a ton of SDO pads but I will be replacing them with the HDO going forward. I actually prefer microfiber over the foam when cutting and swap to foam for final polishing.
Thanks for the comment! Going from MF to foam is a great way to get efficient, consistent results. Keep it up!
Just the information I needed. Very good video. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Question-price aside, I think I would like the stability and consistent polishing/cutting of the HDO pad even on my 8 inch short throw DA. Is there any downside at all to using the HDO version of pads? Thank you!
Absolutely no downside at all; from the wording of your question I can tell you have a clear understanding of the product, and I hope you use them to great effect :)
I’m using the LC Force pads on my Vertool 8mm FD machine.
We appreciate your business sir!
Hey Kelly, Eric from Lake Country suggested the orange SDO polishing pads with Meg's Ultimate Polish (or M205) for my Porter Cable 7424XP. Does this make sense to you? Cheers
Force driven 8mm every time. When i use the long throw polishers i spend more time concentrating trying to keep the pad rotating. I use the HDO pads on the force drive polisher and they work well.
Rotating pads... there's a myth in there that we will be dealing with at some point.
21 machine with a 15-inch backing plate is my favorite combo.
15 inch backing plate sounds drastic! ;)
@@LakeCountryManufacturing lol
Great video. Can I use SDO on 15mm throw DA?
Yes you can.
What he said ;) but when you get to 15mm and upwards the benefits of the HDO alternatives become increasingly more clear :)
I need one of this pad washer 😊
It's a great product, we are super proud of it.
I have one of the new ones, works great but I miss the splash guard . I keep spraying crap everywhere when I get in the zone and forget to get far enough ways from what I’m working on.
Thanks for the video!
Can I use the SDO with my DeWalt 6423 Random Orbital Sander?
You CAN do that, but progress and results may not be ideal. Most machine polishers use 8 to 21mm orbits for good reason.
Would you recommend HDO or SDO for a Griot's G8 or G9?
Hi at the 2:15 mark of the video, you said it would wear down the pad quicker, referring to the HDO pad u were holding. So do u mean the HDO which is more than double the price of the SDO pads here in Australia, are going to wear out faster than SDO? I'm confused. Ive been using SDO pads on a 15mm 5" and 3" polisher and theyve been working fine so far. Havent got any HDO pads to compare at this point. But at double the price will the HDO last twice as long under the same conditions? Thx in advance
By reducing the internal flexing, the HDO design will do a better job of keeping the operational foam (the coloured bit) working at its best for longer. It counters the extra stresses caused by larger throw orbits, while simultaneously taking greater advantage of them. As you've found, SDO pads will work on a 15mm orbit - but you'll notice HDO pads feel and behave quite different, with increased control and improved operational efficiency (ie. they get the job done better, and quicker). As a user myself, HDO is my go-to over SDO every time. They're more expensive to buy, but I find the benefits outweigh that price difference comfortably. Try one and let us know what you think?
great job 👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you 👍
I think I am biased, because I am a painter. I used rotary for many years and still do for new paint. 21 for existing paint because I Crave the speed and am not scared of cutting through. I also use wool for 90% of the compounding that I do, foam just to polish.
For sure, if its not broken, don't fix it!
I've spent the weekend working with the LC Manufacturing microfibre pads. Used a 15mm, 8mm and 9mm 'mini'. A combo of the blue cutting MF and the black polishing. I used 5" pads on the 15mm machine, 3" pads on the 8mm and 1" on the mini.
How does that translate to this video? I got great results with them all. Or are MF pads different as they are much thinner so get less flex?
Microfiber pads have a thinner foam interface typically, so flex is not really an issue regardless of the orbit.
Great Video, for a TORQ 10fx polisher, what would be the correct foam HDO Pads or SDO Pads?
I believe that polisher is an 8mm throw, so the SDO will be just fine. However, many users actually just prefer the feel of the HDO pads outright (regardless of the throw of the tool) so it may be worth trying both designs - we'd love to know which version you get on with best!
I use 21 mm throw vertool because some of the monsters I polish I can’t waste time doing lots of passes so I go light or heavy where required , I don’t get many 2 week old Ferrari s to polish , mostly black bm s and mercs with granite for paint and enough tar to resurface a small path
Which cutting pads are you using, HDO foam or something else?
Great video
If I had to choose one it would be the 15
I can almost everything with it if its all I had
Lots of people, including Kelly Harris, would agree :)
Great I bought 3o sdo ccs pads for my rupes 15 mm that’s just great
Don't throw them away! You can of course use SDO on a 15mm machine - but try switching to HDO next time, and see the difference :)
I currently have a 8 mm throw but I’m looking to get a 21 mm throw for hard clear coat
Perfect! Did you know we make a tool that has 8mm, 12mm, 15mm and 21mm all in one? PLUS rotary? #UDOS51E
Great video, which one would you recommend for a 9mm forced rotation (Flex 3401) machine, I currently use CCS pads and I use them on a rotary too.
Force or CCS pads are perfect!
@@LakeCountryManufacturing Fantastic, thanks.
What about the Forced Rotation machines ( I use Flex XCE with HDO CSS) does the same thing apply ? and what are the advantages of (HDO-CCS / SDO-CCS) vs (HDO / SDO) ones ?
The HDO line is also suitable for forced dual-action polishers in exactly the same way :)
As for the advantages of CCS - th-cam.com/video/Ht_UszvLB0g/w-d-xo.html
One thing also not mentioned often enough is that the CCS pockets are closed cell, whereas the rest of the pad face is open cell. This means that some of your fresh compound or polish will be retained 'undiminished' on the pad face for longer, allowing you to do longer passes and improve your workflow efficiency - you can literally carry out a pass, give the pad a quick squeeze onto the panel, and see that more fresh compound has been released. It's a genuinely useful trick / hack / technique :)
@@LakeCountryManufacturing thank you for the explanation and the tips ✌🏻
I guess my thing is unless there is some very specific performance reason you want an SDO, the HDO seems to be more versatile, as it can be used on all machines just fine. I'd rather buy a single range of pads that all my machines can use, rather than double the pads to split between them. Though I'm mainly a DIY detailer and not a pro with heavy volume.
Every day's a learning day....
Now I know, I can apply this into future works
15mm max for me.... dropping down to 8 and 3 on the ibrid nano and flex pxe80
Would this HDO and SDO distinction be applicable to forced rotation machines as well as random orbit DA?
Yes :)
HDO pads are great but, as the video explains, the benefits are more noticeable on larger throw orbital machines.
That's not to say there's any technical downside to using an HDO pad on a smaller throw machine - if you just like the look and feel of them, carry on! But the SDO pads use the same foam on the face, and the simpler construction means they are cheaper to buy.
great video
I do all my work with 15 mm, and make my adjustments with pressure and arm speed.
A lot to be said for having skills and knowledge of those variables for sure
I bought a couple of blue and orange HDO foam Pads.
Some of them are slightly bent so not 100% flat.
Some more some less some not at all. All unused in the sealing bag.
Ist this normal, should I claim them?
Thanks you for your Help!
It's not impossible that this could be from storage/handling/shipping, however once hooked up onto a backing plate my guess is they will straighten out. Go ahead and use them, but if you experience any difficulty as a result of the bend please do contact the retailer and/or tech.help AT lakecountrymfg.com
Thanks
I'll test a straight and a bent one and see If there is a difference and follows your advice.
Hi I use 5 inch pads 15 mm throw and 3 inch with 12 throw .
Can't really answer that. As each throw has a specific purpose. 21mm for extremely large areas or vehicles to cut down speed. 15mm is essentially the go to, being an all around effective cut and finish. And 8 mm is for that precise cut. A particular area. 12mm is for those 3 inch areas that you just need to be efficient on. So if I pack a bag. Its would be my 15mm and 12mm
Any disadvantage of using the HDO pads on short throw machines?
Hi Matt, we would recommend the SDO in those cases. The extra rigidity doesn't hurt what you are doing, but you may be spending more than you need. Great Question!
Yes, cost
can i replace a hd pad with the purple pad, on a 15mm machine? would have a good result?
The thin Purple Foamed Wool pads - recommended for use on orbital polishers - are best used in heavy cutting situations. You'll remove defects more quickly, but need additional stages of refinement after.
15mm Forced rotation, so HDO for this machine, or do you have different pads for this?
HDO = Heavy Duty Orbital in the 15-21mm range, SDO would be sub 15mm (12, 9, 8mm)
15mm it’s my go with HDO ;)
Perfect match :)
mi favorita 21mm
Wide orbit!
Is there a suitable 1" pad if not available in the SDO?
Hi Matt, the HDO and SDO lines go down as low as to fit a 3" backing plate. For 2" and 1" foams, our Force range has you covered, and we also make microfiber pads in all of these sizes. You can see some of them featured in this video from last year - th-cam.com/video/p1t_Jltvx64/w-d-xo.html
Hi LC, what happened and you don't send to your partners HDO pads for months? I live in Greece, I want to buy the pads and they are out of stock very long time!
Hi, we apologize. As you know, just as with many other products, that there is been a large increase in demand in automotive detailing products. As such, we have adjusted our projections and are shipping out daily to distributors.
15 and 12
are sdo/hdo pads closed or open cell
Open cell
Rupes lhr 15 for me on large panels
That's a great machine, and the HDO pads are an absolutely perfect match for it!
@@LakeCountryManufacturing
Been enjoying your content lately,not got round to trying your pads yet,got a fair stock of rupes, but hearing great things, well done.... tough market.
Never paid attention to orbit throw.
Until now? Ba-dum-tiss
21mm throw with a 125mm backing
You can't beat a rotary and forced rotation for speed of correction!
Lots more videos to come, which may include correction rates...
ummmm ive been using the SDO's on my long throw forever they work great. HDO's are priced like they have gold flake in them. lol I do have some HDO"s they make the job quicker but the SDO's were fine before the HDO was created so don't think you have to buy the HDO bc you have a long throw, this guy is a business man so of course he is trying to sell the most expensive pad they have. SDO's work just fine. Other companies don't have that extra layer in there pads and they are fine.
15 mm
Seems to be a popular choice :)
8mm