Unfortunately, it's cost was the big problem, the other company with a proposal, bombaridar, was expecting to have the program run millions over budget. It's a big problem in America and other western countries.
The 800 series always intended to have one diesel engine per 5 car unit and two per 9 car unit so in event of a power failure the train could get to the next station.The 802 series have three uprated diesel engines per 5 car unit.The diesel engines provide power to electric motors on the axles.
that's a load of bullshit the 5-car sets have 3 engine & the 9-car sets have 5. The same applies to the 802's & before you go any further I've been passed out to drive them
Ohh and again...05:05 is my video. I would at least like some notice or credit from you, but obviously not. Don't steal my video from my channel. Thanks.
"They should keep the HSTs." I see this kind of comment often. Can someone explain succinctly to an outsider the attraction of travelling on the old trains?
The HSTs play a vital memory in people's hearts and since it was introduced it has been a symbol of british engineering. I personally think that people like riding them as they want to get in on old loco-hauled services which are becoming less and less frequent and more multiple units are now operating. Only locos you'll see are class 91s ,the caledonian sleeper, night riveria (forgot how to spell this) and freight lines. Also the HSTs have a long and extensive history on britain's railways
As a passenger the comfort of the old HST is far superior to the rock hard seats of the class 800s. The more comfort claim is total BS . Plus on GWR no buffet car just a trolley which bh the time it gets to you is always out of what you want. The build quality is crap with loose panels and sliding door that rattle all trip long. And to top it off in 2021 whole fleet taken out of sevice due to hairline cracks being found for inspections.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 yeah, these trains would never last forty plus years like the HSTs. Its not a financial incentive for a company to make a good product anymore
Better interiors?? Hmm, like sitting on ironing boards.... Quicker journey time...??... Hmm. Don't think so as has been proven by the recent speed test from Paddington to Reading nearly minute slower than the 40 year old hst they intend replacing, might add that was on electric too. On diesel bi mode don't even come close to hst
Why are people hating on these trains I agree the HST will be missed but the HST is more than 40 years old and as this is the 21st century we need to go modern.
Why not do video of the Class 801 and Class 802. And in future Class 803 and Class 810. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_A-train en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercity_Express_Programme
Since the trains were build in Britain I'm fine with it. Sure it's a shame that these trains are taking over hst lines, but it's better to have this trains than others like the German ice
5mnz7fg That's mostly unavoidable because the narrow British loading gauge, the coaches are long (26m I think). With short (18-20m) coaches and small bits carved off at the coach ends, we can have trains that are quite a bit wider (like class 450). But overall we're kinda stuck with narrow trains in the UK. The massive trains in America and the TGV Duplex look so huge and comfortable, I hope we get a similar big spacious train on HS2 but I'm not holding my breath. Btw though, these Hitachi trains still aren't as narrow as pendolinos or voyagers.
@@DaFinkingOrk If the hs2 trains need to work on normal lines, then they won't be any bigger. The newer eurostars are bigger and therefore cannot go anywhere other than HS1. The older eurostars can as they were designed to go to other UK city's but that ended up not happening.
they are now everywhere as we speak, replacing trains for multiple companies... They are good trains but they are becoming a bit overrated and overused
@@iman2341The GWR IETs Are Simply Awful The Seats Are Uncomfortable The Interior Is Stupid They Look That Good They Don't Sound Good Either The IETs Are A Massive Downgrade From The Class 180s and HSTs 👎
These trains are awful..I saw one last week. The interior looks like a drab office or doctors waiting room, where is the colour? Passenger comfort? 😂😂 those seats look thin and hard and First Class is anything but First Class 😦 Environmentally Friendly? Not really lugging diesel engines around on electric trains because the government failed on its electrification project. The whole thing has been one very expensive cock-up on GWR 🙄 The HST is a far superior train and will be sadly missed.
Totally agree with you on that. At least ScotRail is listening to its passengers and are going to invest in a referb program to keep on using HSTs on its main intercity services.
These new trains are nothing but glorified voyagers 😦 I got a feeling a lot of passengers are not going to like travelling in them on GWR...No buffet car either...awful! The quality of service offered to passengers is actually going backwards. The HST is a far superior train for passenger comfort and journey experience and GWR passengers will really miss them 😥 The operator wants to make sure that when these new trains are in service they deliver on reliability. Its a very complex and expensive train, so who knows how it will actually perform in service in the extremes, heat of the summer, snow etc. There is no plan B for GWR as the HST's are going to Scotland and they are only retaining a handful of HST shortened sets...so this trsin needs to hit the ground running with no major issues in service 🤔
4:29 You know the queen went on THAT CLASS 800.
What happened ? We used to produce our own trains, rolling stock etc..We made motor cars, motor cycles and so on. What do we produce now BUGGER ALL.
Unfortunately, it's cost was the big problem, the other company with a proposal, bombaridar, was expecting to have the program run millions over budget. It's a big problem in America and other western countries.
Elizabeth Reign Castillo
AZUMA CRAP
It will now come out in 2019 on the East Coast Main Line
Did you know a LNER HST AND LNER Azuma class 800 crashed into each other recently
Yeah, and the HST got scrapped :(
It looks like the Class 395
The 800 is an advanced 395
@@ZLDSmogless and class 395 is advanced shinkansen 400 series
Very interesting. Thanks for uploading these.
The 800 series always intended to have one diesel engine per 5 car unit and two per 9 car unit so in event of a power failure the train could get to the next station.The 802 series have three uprated diesel engines per 5 car unit.The diesel engines provide power to electric motors on the axles.
that's a load of bullshit the 5-car sets have 3 engine & the 9-car sets have 5. The same applies to the 802's & before you go any further I've been passed out to drive them
The Class 800, that was the Mascot of the Train Simulator 2015 by Dovetail Games (DTG)!
How is it a partial replacement?
I think there are still intercity 225s running on the east coast mainline
Great video mate :)
5:08 the comfort is a lie. The seats are hard and more seats sometimes means lesser legroom.
are these not noisy if the diesel engines are in the same car as the passengers?
been on them a couple of times. no louder than HST, or whatever cross country runs
As far as I'm aware they only use the diesel engines on certain parts of the route they're on
Yes, it is
Aging intercity 125 there is nothing wrong with a 125
Why don't they just made a hst but a electric
@@duxfortis704 yeah like they did with the class 68
Just make sliding doors
Na wouldn't be the same if the hsts were electric
can it be double
Are they going to put them on what the javelins run on?
These trains are just newer javelins
I wander if wilbert or Christopher would add one of these as characters in the railway series
Trans penine trains are called nova 1!
Airportink trip 9 routes for Kuala Lumpur to Penang
Ohh and again...05:05 is my video. I would at least like some notice or credit from you, but obviously not. Don't steal my video from my channel. Thanks.
Wow... he hasn't even responded... ouch! I do think he should give you credit!
+Owen Gunn that's rude then...
The guy is just reading out the contents of the Wikipedia pages about the trains in each video.
"They should keep the HSTs."
I see this kind of comment often. Can someone explain succinctly to an outsider the attraction of travelling on the old trains?
The HSTs play a vital memory in people's hearts and since it was introduced it has been a symbol of british engineering. I personally think that people like riding them as they want to get in on old loco-hauled services which are becoming less and less frequent and more multiple units are now operating. Only locos you'll see are class 91s ,the caledonian sleeper, night riveria (forgot how to spell this) and freight lines. Also the HSTs have a long and extensive history on britain's railways
As a passenger the comfort of the old HST is far superior to the rock hard seats of the class 800s. The more comfort claim is total BS . Plus on GWR no buffet car just a trolley which bh the time it gets to you is always out of what you want. The build quality is crap with loose panels and sliding door that rattle all trip long. And to top it off in 2021 whole fleet taken out of sevice due to hairline cracks being found for inspections.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 yeah, these trains would never last forty plus years like the HSTs. Its not a financial incentive for a company to make a good product anymore
Better interiors?? Hmm, like sitting on ironing boards.... Quicker journey time...??... Hmm. Don't think so as has been proven by the recent speed test from Paddington to Reading nearly minute slower than the 40 year old hst they intend replacing, might add that was on electric too. On diesel bi mode don't even come close to hst
In Germany, an Intercity Express (=ICE) looks different 😂
Why are people hating on these trains
I agree the HST will be missed but the HST is more than 40 years old and as this is the 21st century we need to go modern.
Skeleton Guy Thats because we have gone on one and we are fighting for our railways and that train cant be the future of our railways
TrainsInWhiltshire What an immature attitude. Thank god train enthusiasts have no hand in business.
at the #6 th class 800 be Northern
Why not do video of the Class 801 and Class 802. And in future Class 803 and Class 810.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_A-train
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercity_Express_Programme
There is no increased comfort, the seats are terrible compared to 125 and 225 ones.
Bimode not DEMU
what about the west coast main line :(
Yeah I hope they don't replace the pendolino
@@freakedout2008 avanti west coast are getting class 805 and 807 azumas they might be replacing the voyagers
They get 390s
I wouldn't let these take over the HST's any day or night I
Since the trains were build in Britain I'm fine with it. Sure it's a shame that these trains are taking over hst lines, but it's better to have this trains than others like the German ice
You don't want to be in the car with the diesel engine underneath, it is MEGA NOISY
They're also incredibly uncomfortable
It looks awfull narrow.
5mnz7fg That's mostly unavoidable because the narrow British loading gauge, the coaches are long (26m I think). With short (18-20m) coaches and small bits carved off at the coach ends, we can have trains that are quite a bit wider (like class 450). But overall we're kinda stuck with narrow trains in the UK. The massive trains in America and the TGV Duplex look so huge and comfortable, I hope we get a similar big spacious train on HS2 but I'm not holding my breath.
Btw though, these Hitachi trains still aren't as narrow as pendolinos or voyagers.
5mnzg Do agree.
@@DaFinkingOrk If the hs2 trains need to work on normal lines, then they won't be any bigger.
The newer eurostars are bigger and therefore cannot go anywhere other than HS1.
The older eurostars can as they were designed to go to other UK city's but that ended up not happening.
they are now everywhere as we speak, replacing trains for multiple companies... They are good trains but they are becoming a bit overrated and overused
And why havent we electrified most of our lines lol
Cost
Intercity Express, huh? Well is it called ICE? If this is correct, you just coppied Germany xD.
IET = Intercity Express Train
Actually Germany copied the number uk
First class is horrific on these.
I've seen reviews saying that LNER 's first class on the Azuma is pretty good
You copied glasgows life voice
minecraftbattle beast21 they are the same person
It's literally them
This shouldn't be put into service, the HSTs should stay! Like if u agree..
Oh thanks for loving comment and liking it trains! I'm subbed btw
They really arent fit for the modern high intestity services that the network requres. They are simply large fast commuter trains most of the time.
@@iman2341The GWR IETs Are Simply Awful The Seats Are Uncomfortable The Interior Is Stupid They Look That Good They Don't Sound Good Either The IETs Are A Massive Downgrade From The Class 180s and HSTs 👎
AZUMA CRAP
These trains are awful..I saw one last week. The interior looks like a drab office or doctors waiting room, where is the colour? Passenger comfort? 😂😂 those seats look thin and hard and First Class is anything but First Class 😦 Environmentally Friendly? Not really lugging diesel engines around on electric trains because the government failed on its electrification project. The whole thing has been one very expensive cock-up on GWR 🙄 The HST is a far superior train and will be sadly missed.
Totally agree with you on that. At least ScotRail is listening to its passengers and are going to invest in a referb program to keep on using HSTs on its main intercity services.
These new trains are nothing but glorified voyagers 😦 I got a feeling a lot of passengers are not going to like travelling in them on GWR...No buffet car either...awful! The quality of service offered to passengers is actually going backwards. The HST is a far superior train for passenger comfort and journey experience and GWR passengers will really miss them 😥 The operator wants to make sure that when these new trains are in service they deliver on reliability. Its a very complex and expensive train, so who knows how it will actually perform in service in the extremes, heat of the summer, snow etc. There is no plan B for GWR as the HST's are going to Scotland and they are only retaining a handful of HST shortened sets...so this trsin needs to hit the ground running with no major issues in service 🤔
Eld Jones shut your face
A well educated and constructive contribution to an ongoing debate 🙄
Eld Jones Not even a glorified voyager if the top speed for diesel is 100mph