11 years back when I watched this video, I was one among few who were praising Javed saheb for his Rationality in the comment section, and everybody else was just abusing him...But now this comment section is filled with all praises and rational thoughts about Javed Saheb...India has grown so much in these 11 years...🔥
Absolutely, I agree. Revisiting it today, Javed makes a lot of sense. Life experiences really shape our perspective. Yet, there are still people who admire Sadguru's teachings with that distinctive background music . He's their world, just as he was mine once 😂
Really??he uses his rationality only when it comes to hindu thought process.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan along with hate for kafers,women subjugation,nd violence for spreading islam. nd he wont question it.he is just opposing nd quesrtioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
@@avgb2115kid, now i can understand the level of intelligence nd knowledge u have.buddhism was defeated in india by the great sage adishankara in debate not by war bec india is the land of debate.main philosophy of buddhism nd hinduism is non violence.judge was also buddhist monk.the real reason for decline of buddhism in north nd afghanistan nd pak were islamic invasions tht happened over the period of 1000 years.buddhist monks who didnt convert were keeled in lacks by chuslims.taliban have recently destroyed bamiyan buddha statues of afghanistan which aurangazeb tried to destroy 500 years ago bt failed.thts the main reason buddhist monks of myanmar started to hate chuslam nd it led to rohingya muslim crisis.u can be peacefull bt u can never sleep with rabis dog(chuslam)-mynmar buddhist monk.go read kid
@@Sameer-wy7cyIndia is special because we follow a constitution, unlike the Islamic world, which often bases laws on the Quran. The West decided to keep religion and law separate, seeing potential issues. Imagine if our life if main rules were from a religious book. Sometimes, I hear stories about how people were treated before we got independence, and how there was slavery and violence in the name of religion. We're fortunate to have a constitution now, and we should be thankful for what we have done. We should aim to make people happier, improve our lives, and reduce inequality in society 🙂
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348i wish you made sense. Athletes know that if they work hard they’ll succeed, it’s fact. Many people have done it. It’s not an idea which can’t be tested alike the claims made by Sadhguru. He has never been able to prove anything. Athletes knowing that “METHODS” will get them somewhere is the use of common sense. Without common sense what are we? Can you succeed without common sense?
Javed said Ramanujan was a human being he cannot be right all the time. This was in reference to the comment from the anchor that Ramanujan claimed that all he knew was from a Goddess. So javed basically denied that. But ....Same things apply for Muhammad. He claims that he has got instructions from Allah. Now Muhammad was also a Human being and he cannot be right. So basically a religion was found out of nowhere.
Just like our elders decide some rules for the house, because they have more wisdom, similarly Muhammad decided some rules for Muslims, because of his understanding of himself and the world around him, and I'm sure he wasn't alone there, there must be many people around him, helping him, his friends, colleagues and all, nothing too fancy about it
7 year ago I was listening the talk and I was completely on the side of sadguru and today I am listening the same talk and now I am completely with Javed sir I am witness how the pendulum change with time and experience
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@YogaToSamadhi Oh so basically we shouldn’t use our own minds? Just blindly listen to what gurus say? A toddler will believe that ghosts exist, but when he grows older, he will realise that ghosts are just a figment of imagination. Is that also polarised?
There is one more thing that is very popular ..Isha foundation... But sadly outside of that people sometimes like to hear logic rather than crap... Vaise bahut buri li gayi hai guruji ki...inko bolo videos Bana ke Modiji ko de diya kare..ye sare aam Jaleel hona, bhakto ka 'faith' uth jaata hai..😂
if i remove all the vocals and see the muted video... i found person on left very calm and chearfull and person on right a very impatient, impulsive and very annoying... i was tht he gonna hav heart attack any moment.... this simly reflects the difference between an atheist and mystic....... oh and the moderator is the crow which they have shown in the beginning..
sameer duggal ohhh that s the ans i was looking for thank u for saying this behalf of me...en chutiyo k beech jana he nhe chahiye tha...they just keep saying their raag jo hmesha se gaatey aaye hai...bhains k aagey been bajana aaj dekh b liya
If our scientists relied on common sense ..you couldn't be able to use smartphone...someone's belief helps us to develop not common sense...just think about that
@@sahoo82 I am talking about Ramanujan saying that a Goddess helps him to Find the mathmatical number...it may be right or wrong Don't know...But it was his belief
@@sahoo82 And Bro..common sense is also coming from those 5 senses which we have..argue with someone for learning not for Ego.simple fact presented By Sadhguru
@@medaesthetic1365 who is denying the five senses, the problem is sadhguru trying to explain the six sense dimension in a vague and convoluted way, that is subjective. By the way it guru is fake... Check out his video reaction and you'll know better how manipulative he is with words.
My thought exactly... its not about who is right or not. It is about having a forum where ideas can be debated and an audience that is open to both sides. More of these are needed.
Isn't it kind of weird how religious people receive respect for their beliefs, while science-minded individuals who present evidence often don't receive the same level of respect? This dynamic helps us understand how religious people are perceived as being closed-minded.
Excatly! And they fail to understand that the science-minded individuals are actually using their own thinking ability ofcorse given to them by the grace of the very God they believe in..!!!
You are the opposite, 😂 religious ideas and thoughts are not respected, and most of the youth use their small brain and find that science is more logical than religious texts or ideas but that tiny-minded fellows don't know that 😅, modern science is also influenced by Vedas, Upanishads, I didn't say this, it's said the scientists
@venkatabhinavpoluri1748 I agree with the last sentence of your comment that modern science is also influenced by the Vedas, Upnishads and such ancient texts. But this shows that those are not 'religious texts' those texts are the thoughts and realizations about life, nature and our surroundings as understood by the scholars at that time. And so 'today youth finds science more logical than religious texts' doesn't exactly make that much sense in my opinion.!
@@shwetachaudhari1894 Religion texts are always not about the god or rituals, you said " those are not religious texts ", and if you get to know the cosmology and astronomy mentioned in Hindu scriptures, it opens a new dimension in your brain, "dimension" refers to to a new thought process, you will automatically question the modern science, I don't know whether that science is wrong or right, but they give a new approach to our brains, many foreign scientists themselves said it, so without knowing the scientific theories in the Vedas, and without knowing the truth how can we declare that the Hindu religious "science " is a pseudo-science, so many of youth declare them as mythology and call it as illogical, how can we declare? Damn they wrote Vedas and Upanishads for some thousands of years, many of those got demolished by invaders, just imagine how much science was there in those scriptures, " today's youth find modern science logical and Vedic science illogical, without reading the Vedic cosmology " I hope now it made sense
@@ombembde3826 I listen to 90s Javeds songs. Don’t know this got recommended on my feed, just like you I was curious about Javeds view on religion. He is right about using logic, reasoning and common sense. The other guy was talking to trigger people’s emotions without facts or sources
Really??he is only rarional when it comes to hindus.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan.he is just opposing nd questioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do .he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community.go read their book nd u will know y exactly he is doing tht
Drew, buddy you need to learn English first. Akthar and philosophical thinking can’t be in the same sentence based on this debate. Unless of course there is a negative in there.
Meditation helped me during my years of depression. Spirituality, among other ‘ methods’ can take you out of a mental dark pit. I don’t believe that spirituality is just nonsense philosophy of some modern gurus. Their is so much written and practiced since ages, and even today when l took this methods help, it helped
When a fan is moving, you don't see the blades. That doesn't mean the blades are absent. It just means you were unable to see it because of certain specific REASONS. Meditation will help you. There is no denying that fact. But it can be very well explained by science why meditation can help you and the existence of a superior power won't be one of the reasons demonstrated by science.
They won't understand it because they think what people used to believe or is written in books is all true yet they rejects other religios books The effect of getting out of depression or any other mental trauma can easily be explained and eventually it's their mind that forces them to believe because of their beliefs on these books and gurus .@@ananyaa6664
@@ananyaa6664 It can all be explained by science, the day that the scientific community realises how many physiological differences there are between an enlightened person's physical body & a normal person will be the day that changes most atheists views on "spirituality"(If politics don't hide this research which they will most likely do). Most scientists are just not able to open up to the possibility of there being truth in this type of stuff because it is not something to be grasped by the mind, I watched a podcast of someone who asked scientists that do psychedelic research to do research on his brain after having reached a certain stage of "enlightment" where he became almost immune to psychedelics meaning it barely had an effect on him because the state of consciousness he is in naturally is already like a psychedelic trip, but the scientists just ignored him probably thinking it was just some crazy person. When you see sadghuru talk about this stuff ofcourse you feel ressistance to the stuff he is saying you might think he's talking nonsenses like a guy tripping of psychedelics but ur just not able to comprehend the internal experience of sadghuru in your own experience that's why you don't notice the references that he makes to that experience of self.
11 year back I don’t know where I was but after hearing this debate I feel proud to see I am on good path as javed ji mentioned. And in the current time of Indian politics and Indian mind set it’s difficult to find a rational mind because most of them are busy following the vishvaguru in the name of LORD RAMA but they also know the truth that there is no way we are living under RAM RAJYA.
Even when you are on a wrong path u keep realizing that u ve been fed poison..when i was supporting this fascist regime in 2017 , there was something in me that kept telling me something is not right...( now i realise it was extreme right😂).
@MrMap-z3e stop calling people blind bhakts or hypocrite for no reason at all. I did not support bjp here. It is you who needs to use their brain. Javed Akhtar is not a right winger even now. Farhan went to support the Anti CAA protests 😂 was it also for publicity Mr. Map? 🗺️ You will start namecalling people just for disagreeing and that's childish.
@MrMap-z3e Then you are calling me a blind followers of whom? JA is still a leftist. Yes he out now so maybe he lost his one-liners and can't get hyperactive in debates like this one.
I think this could be a right statement that you peel onion, you get nothing, there could be another way to put something in onion, then peel the onion, then what? You will be getting something, if you didn't get? Mr. Modern science(for a while)[modern science is way forward] don't you cut the onion from head "the roots". Look, this is from Joe Root. Always get neglected, sir, keep your private part uncut, at least in your next generations. Not in next, then coming. by cutting cover of penis are you not punishing Allah. What does Allah do wrong with momin/momina, I agree you are atheist. You choosen wrong mirror to write your poetry, If you could choose the right mirror, then Naam Shabana. You could be the poetry minister of any country. Sorry😢.
This has nothing to with modern science.his rationality only kicks in when it comes to hindu thought process.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan along with utter hatred for other religions nd gods.he is just opposing nd questioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
@@Sameer-wy7cy and your rationality seems to only disappear when it comes upon hindu religion being an atheist means that one have given up his religion so on one hand u call him atheist and on the other hand you say that he is stern follower of Islam,how could that be? . About the death penalty in Islam for being atheist that's what Javed is saying that faith if exercised in wrong way can legitimise worst of actions done by a human being,he also gave an example of suicide bomber and think he was referring about Islam and it's wrong interpretation.There are many controversial things and they are present in every religion,same goes for hindu religion too as for Islam and Christianity and others.
@@Sameer-wy7cy every religion is a guide book to discipline people as we all live in a social group. But as time went, lot of rules and claims made by this book of faith, felt out of place and outdated. Of these lot, Islam seems to be the most outdated one and I agree with it. Having said that, other religion such as Hindu Christianity Buddhist etc are not free from outlandish claims and suggestions as well. Common sense should be ruled supreme to all these…
Learn about the origin of the universe.... evolution of life ...try to understand it or watch the shows that explain them...like the show COSMOS. believe me you will start questioning yourself and everything around you and slowly start loosing faith in the irrational and illogical thing you believe in (religion) But anyway we live in a free country ... believe whatever you want but do consider logic , reasoning, evidence etc.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348 prove the method. If an athlete will say to you solve 1000 maths problems before relay race, you will believe him? No, because it doesn't make any sense. You have to explain the method scientifically and logically, he doesn't do that, he just say to follow the method, specially when he is just a self proclaimed specialist,and on the top of that he spreads pseudoscientific nonsense.
@@sreenivasb9348 Getting scammed and conned is a practice, so is becoming a scammer and con-artist. The trick is to have a parameter to distinguish between getting scammed and getting value out of a barter. If a barter system is to console you and give you false hope then there's no point of becoming great at that placebo effect which has no real end result other than feeling dopamine of accomplishment while doing nothing. You can actually be an accomplished man with a resume of excellence or you can convince in your head that you're an accomplished man and you don't need any resume or work to support that!! Also, tell me one thing, if you find ultimate spirituality and others are rejecting that, why go extra mile to sell that spirituality to get more dimwits in your bandwagon? Makes no sense, you already found Nirvana and others don't want that, yet you will take their worldly possession to give your most cherished nirvana for their possession...MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!! Is it because if you don't share and convince the nirvana you gained to other dimwits, someone will snatch it away from you. Just stupidity and making more of the same herd!
One guru advised him not to use mind ..i dont know whose guru said this..but i certainly understood that he has taken it seriously.....matlab....gajab ki line kahdi........😗😎
But the fact is Mr. J is the proponent of mind..... whereas the guru is the opponent of mind. And Mr. J says that he has never taken any guru seriously to this taunt by the guru.
I dont like sadhguru much, but try to lookout so called greatest philosophies which is vedantas, based on faith in god. Read tagore, vivekanand philosp"s . Javed akhtar is legend, but many philosophers went beyond, and give ideas of faith for human welfare and peace of mind.
I don't read tagore .. but i have read and have though about vivekanand ideology as a philosophical way ..but still the faith in god not the primary support any rational leader would stuck upto vivekanand has denied hundreds of arguments and ideas about hinduism mainly because he was a hindu soo .. i can't really say that he is rational at every point so i prefer more clear leaders or philosopher .. may be i lack knowledge somewhat. But few things i am clear about is god and its ideology .. i follow bhagat singh as clear perspective from indian leaders ..
3 years ago I am on the side of javed sir. Now I understood sadhguru. This is what maya means. and I dont know about javed sir but I am sure sadhguru is well aware about this maya. sometimes reason will help you. sometimes faith will help you. sometimes reason can kill you and same with faith. when sadhguru says dont identify with mind, he means dont identify with these dualities. he wants us go behind these dualities.
@@sudeepreddy5130I never understood that moh maya bullshit. That guru of yours is a multi-millioniare, why doesn't he give up the "maya" and live like a common man? Why does he need all of the luxuries? Aren't they just "maya"? Aren't they things that should be avoided? Your guru does not practice his own teachings. Think about who you are following. Research bout him. Don't just blindly follow the guy.
Me too..reading the comments section..what a turnover.. the people there praising Javed akhtar for his rationality while his getting battered here for the same😂😂 as sadhguru said..it's about perceptions 😂
@@onlyitj A wise person never lets anger overtake himself. Javed may never had got a teacher who taught him the principles of islam correctly due to which he became an atheist. Sadhguru is a yogi, a wise person. He knows what to speak at what time. Am not saying that all he says is right but he speaks sensibly, calmly like a saint while Javed is raging like a mad bull
@@onlyitj but that's the problem he only understand everything with crude scientific logic that demands "measurement".. If it can't measure it isn't scientific... And not everything in the universe is "measurable"... Just like he said about Ramanujan... Just becoz he can understand it... It means he is wrong.. 😂
Exactly, 90% of the comments here are by intellectually bankrupt, emotionally charged and credulous Sadguru fanatics who have no idea of how to distinguish fact from fiction.
@@vishals7433 but India mai enterance exam hote hi nahi, maine toh aajtak keval entrance exam hi diya Aur entrance exam is to find out your competitive capabilities (which is also important in some fields in this world) not your knowledge and neither your righteousness 🙏,aur kitne log nahi bhi dete hai tab bhi bohot aagye jatye hai
I respect sadhguru from inner heart ...people who are commenting here for sadhguru must also be respect him and follow him ...but as I can see in almost all the comments is they are abusing Javed Akhtar ...I know he was fury while answering ...but why don’t you keep calm as sadhguru did ..this proves that you are also one of Akhtar’s category !!! I just want to make a point please don’t be judgmental
Immensely happy to see you immerse Sadhguru's teachings to your life, truly this is what we need and we'll be at a diffrent stage once we all understand Sadhguru's teachings.
Nitin Jangid guys like you end up losing their girl and businesses .. watch out the world is pretty manipulative Sadhguru knows how to take care of his business and he has pussy aplenty when and where he needs it.. it's guys like you who come out poorer by your lack of focus and common sense
@@ER_motive another half literate......sadaguru has a propaganda bcs his livelihood depends on it not javed.....he is a writer...sadaguru has to con people to make a living......damn the irony is totally lost on fools like you
@@AKASHSINGH-tx5rc today writers have the most dangerous weapon in the world....they slowly slowly turns mind based on their observations...take example as the wire ,the print and all foreign channels
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@Strangercommenter because I have seen this video few times over years,trust me Javed sahab is just talking irrelevant things,he is repeating what he read from books basically contradicting what Sadhguru just said in video everything u have is an accumulation of what u have absorbed, meditation helps a person what doctors n medicine can't do and Javed sahab is saying spiritual journey is bs? really?I have myself done many forms of meditation over years n every one has different benefits,Javed sahab himself used to attend every session of Osho at Pune back in the days every evening then he read few books about atheists n thinks he is smarted because he doesn't believe in God or spirituality,if some people get peace of mind by thinking about his god n feels positive what's the problem?his son is a prime example of what a dumb person is went to CAA protest without reading the bill n said itney log aaye hai toh kuch hoga he Don't follow sadguru as blind bhakt but atleast learn good things from him Trust me u will also grow in few year n re-watch the video with new unbiased thinking
@@sontsa1597 It goes for all mam . But one must show respect to the person who's much noble in his life and goal than you. None of them can be equalise to what Ramanujan was and talking with such disrespect for Ramanujan just shows the arrogance and illiteracy of the man.
th-cam.com/video/NgeRAIK3KFM/w-d-xo.html People who are clapping, people who are judging who won and who lost, people who are getting arrogant... please know that this is an intellectual discussion. One should remain serious and just try to learn from these two people. This is not a comedy show. Please watch this video to understand the value of arguments in learning process.
@@sontsa1597 well funny thing is Javed Claims to be poet when he doesn't even want to wonder why musquito is there lol? He wants to live like animal and stop seeking. As for Sadguru being right. Sadguru never promised that. The difference here is not about being right and wrong. The distinction is between more wrong and less wrong. And Javed was acting like an animal who is satisfied lol. And by the way his so called science also tried to find why musquito is there lol.
I always had respect for Javed Akhtar but I never knew he is an over confident rude man..while Sadhguru was trying to explain, Javed was here only to make fun of him..he needs to learn to debate respectfully..
@@AKASHSINGH-tx5rc God has sent Sadhguru to deal with ignorant people like you.. But Alas! when some one falls into a pit of delusion, even God can't save him!! Your comment just shows your bad upbringing and poor values inculcated in you.. I should have said God bless you!! but I know even God's blessing will not help you now, as inly your suffering will help you now 🙏🙏🙏
@@putuls2653 Thats a perfect reply, even sadhguru replied similarly when the show was concluded, he said "you encountered a bad apple and assumed that all apples are bad.
Hinduism is targeted because you can question Hinduism. If Islam would be questioned it will no longer exist. Has anybody ever seen a debate on Islam with non Muslims participation.
Hinduism is not Dharma or culture as Athens and foreigners used just beczo we lived near Sindhu river and our way of living and social interaction and worship and daily routine and then we called Hindu becoz we perform some daily routine and slowly it was considered as dharm or culture Like Muslims Jain boddh Christ we don't have any person who started to be called as originator as phrophet and Jesus Indeed from Alexander to gaznavi from him to aurangzeb and then britishers but still we are sharing enough share in the world's population becoz we are inclusive and optimistic in our life and don't dare to hurt an ant just becoz we see life in everything.
@@AceZyuh mujhe ek baat smjh nhi ati... Fir tum bolte ho ki hindu Muslim ldd rhe hai... Tum muulo ki hi gaand kyo jldi hai....😂😂😂😂 Tumhe to dr. Zakir pasand hai na jo Malaysia mai chupa hua hai... Yha chutiya sa bhasan dai ka
@@dhai_kilo_ka_hath2616 J2, mein Muslim nhi. Aur tu kya pagal hai? Bas Islam hi nhi, duniya ka har ek religion Man-made hai (including yours too). Tum jaisi jahil log kabhi khudke toxic beliefs pe questioning nhi karoge, bas dusron ke toxic beliefs uthao(progress starts at home) . Ek religion ko nikal kar, usko dusre religion se replace karne ka matlab hai mouth cancer ko nikalke uski jagah lung cancer daal dena, at the end both are Cancer.
@@AceZyuh bilkul sab man made hai but izzat uski jyada jo dusro pa thopa na jaye jo dusra dharam ko glt ya nicha na bataye. Atleast u accepted ki toxic belief hai tera kuch, baki jab baat logically ho rhi hai to apna jhaant sa dimag lagana jaruri hai
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348 very well put sir 👍👌👌👌only people who have meditated knows the real benefits of it others just preach,I also used think like Javed sahab before doing any meditation as if I know everything Javed sahab used to visit osho for every evening session in Pune later he read few books about atheists n just used those statements here in the debate, basically improvising from whatever he learnt over the years about atheists Meditation does things which no doctor no medicine no family friends can do for us,most practical thing ever invented thanks to our ancestors of India🙏😊
This is the beauty of Hinduism. You can question anything, even the existence of God like Brahma, Vishnu or Mahesh can be questioned. You have the full liberty to pray anyone. Even if you do not pray, that is also okay. It is not like Islam where your head will be removed from your torso if it offends the feelings of Muslims even if done indeliberately. Deen main aqal ka dakhal nahin. As far as yogic techniques are concerned, it can not be explained to anyone till the time you do it and realises the loads of energy in these mudras. All these mudras can make you feel and see even those things which you cannot see or feel from your five senses. It opens those portions of your brain which are never explored even till your death. Once you do it properly for a finite period of time, you will not be against Sadhguru. Shambhavi Mudra can make you feel in a different zone. Lord Shiva does it.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
btw... aapki thodi si knowledge ko expand krne ke liye:- Fantasy- ek pari aayegi aur mujhe udaa ke le jayegi Facts- accepting "pari-wari nhi aayegi", khud efforts lagayenge... invention ke liye idea sochenge, shuru me fail honge lekin ek din to aeroplane banega, ek din to udega. Apni imagination ko reality bna do😌
@@defaulter4087 description diya tha?? bachhe, vo bs source of imagination tha agr kisi ne Aladdin ke flying carpet ko imagine krke flying car banayi hoti to iska mtlb ye nhi hota ki Aladdin ne flying car ka formula diya tha🤷🏿♂️ or ye sun earth ke distance wala zara logic explain krna😂😂 (science student h na to units ka to pta hi hoga)
Human has created religion and not the other wise...we simply underestimate the power and capacity we house as a human being...Our creations are so powerful that we are falling prey to our own creativity and that's spectacular and dangerous at the same time.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like How I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense and Spirituality let me give an Example for it. An athlete sitting and thinking about winning he may or may not win and the challenges he faces in the journey is common sense. Thinking of Methods to win and following it is what sadhguru said that’s spirituality. Now everyone knows common sense speaks both advantages and disadvantages. No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
Amazing just how people find ways to defend him😂 What you dont realise that what your athlete is accumulating in his mind ,the data he gained, the methods he's thinking of to dominate, all that is not spirituality but the accumulation of common sense fighting with their respective sport and gaining info overtime on how to become better. All that my friend is simply just effort and logical inference of it.
Javed is not a thinkr, he is a comedian... javed says- there is no difference between mosquito and human... Result jAved is a mosquito and he is doing bhin bhin infront of legend sadhguru😀😀
You name me who m I, Hindu/Christians/Muslim ? I understood Creator of universe by science and understood why he created all this ? Then i understood, He the Great One wants us all just to be His thankful. And I m his thankful and you name me. Who m I ? Actually God is not correct term, it does not even define least quality of The Powerful Him. I call him Planner, Programmer, initiator, designer architect and guardian of entire universe with trillion of huge and giant stars and planets. And I found by my research the name Elah in Arabic Elahi in Persian Eli in Aramaic Elohim in Hebrew Eshwer in Sanskrit But explanation of it only in Arabic Elah mean = the power that deserves all the worships or Top awards or all the thanks for his super power of creation and organization and maintenance of entire universal system Islam is not conventional religion like Christianity and Hinduism, Islam is direct way to connect you to your Creator/Designer and Programmer/Architect of entire universe. When that Creator planned, programmed, architected and organized so huge universe and stars. Sure, He created you and awarded you intelligence and curiosity, so that you understand all that mechanism/technology and be thankful to Him. Quran 96:1
@@adnanadill Mr Farooqui, firstly, saying that Islam is the only religion that explains what God means, is seriously dumb. Secondly, putting up verses from Quran , in support of Islam, is like being both, a contestant, and a member of jury... So please stay shut, unless you have something really logical to speak...=_=
Not only Javed says that. Even U.G. said it, I say it and Jainism and Buddhism says it. Get yourself informed before mocking at yourself. Sadhguru is bullshit. Hinduism also says it. In fact Hinduism clearly has the instruction in Guru-Shishya parampara not to disturb any living being, be it mosquito, a snake or a crow or whatever! Sarve jeeva sukhino bhavantu! Interpret this.
Really feeling bad for sadhguru as he was not given a proper chance for proper time to speak. All I concluded in this argument or paid attention to ...is that how to be so calm even after being insulted by wrong accusitions.Looks like sadhguru was here for a proper discussion but javed akhtar wanted an argument
I have passed through three stages watching this video over the years 1st stage -->what the f*ck wrong with Javed ji and how wonderfully Sadhguru explaining things 2nd stage --> wow both are correct in their own ways .. what a debate 3rd stage--> wow what an intellect Javed ji is... What the f*ck is wrong with this sadhuguru verbal diarrhoea 😅😅
No. He is not. In one mushaira he said he has to show face to Allah. An atheist would never say that. He is a spineless Jihadi in the garb of an atheist.
Really??who said he is an atheist.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan.he is just opposing nd quesrtioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
Look at javeds arrogance .. this guy tries grabbing the spotlight my insulting an other person, he seems restless and annoyed.. and if you look at sadguru hes cool like he's calm trying to elaborate about spirituality to everyone out there. This is the difference between an atheist and spiritual seeker.. we are peace seekers , we believe in soul , vibrations which makes a world great place .. one who doesn't have any faith are likely the one's who don't regret committing sins coz nothing bothers them actually coz they are just scared of the law. Imagine there isn't any kind of for commting crimes these ppl don't hesitate to do anything to fulfil there own desires. One must understand being spiritual means it's just knwoing about yourself it's neither being religious nor atheist. We believe we are here to learn and spread love and peace.
Just watch Richard Dawkins once. You will get to know the patience an atheist possesses. On the same note, if you can comprehend, patience just like other qualities differs from person to person.
I feel like you are being a little biased about javed insulting sadhguru. Yes javed did insult him with irrelevant jokes but sadhguru replied with an insult and got personal every time. Which turned this debate into a comedy show. I'm disappointed in sadhguru because what i have learned from him in the past i was thinking he will just ignore javeds idiotic jokes. Sadhguru possesses lot of knowledge and wisdom. But lot of times he his views are biased. He says religion is madness but still he leans towards Hinduism every time. Sadhguru has said many times that when you admit that you don't know, you can start to seek and learn but i feel like people in the comments jump to conclusions to fast without even trying to follow sadhgurus teaching and actually finding out for themselves that weather what sadhguru is saying is true or not. Just my personal opinions, i could be completely wrong.
I came here after watching Sadhguru's conversation with David Eagleman an actual neuroscientist, who seems to agree with Sadhguru's proposition that the mind is an accumulation of impressions. And here is Javed Akhtar, who has absolutely no authority on this subject and says "The brain is composed of many rooms, you are your mind, etc." with absolute certainty. No you aren't a rationalist. A rationalist knows when he is out of his depth. You are trying to sell your beliefs under the veil of a concocted perverse definition of reasoning.
Sir! Javed also agrees that the mind is an accumulation and only says that accumulation is me and without accumulation I do not exist just like an onion ceases to exist when all its leaves are pealed off. Jaggi says there exists a thing that accumulates and he has a method to touch that thing. To learn that method, you have to pay an exorbitant fee to Jaggi. Even David Eagleman does not accept Jaggi's view of the existence of a dimension of any intelligence outside human brain that is capable of being touched by a human being through some method. Javed and Eagleman are on one side and Jaggi is on the opposite side.
@@spasokan respectfully providing counter-arguments. "accumulation is me" is an oxymoron because what accumulates on a substrate is independent of the substrate, that is the definition of accumulation. For instance, the onion is an accumulation of its shells but why did the shells accumulate in that manner? If the shells had accumulated in any other manner you wouldn't call it an onion. An onion is made up by it's peels, but it is the algorithm in it's DNA which accumulates these peels in that fashion and manner and this is what makes the onion an onion. Does that mean, if I peel off an onion, the onion still exists in some higher metaphysical dimension? No. But if I give you a 100 peels will you be able to make an onion? No. That requires an algorithm, and you don't have access to it. Btw, you don't need to pay Sadhguru anything. All the "methods" he teaches are chronicled in Vigyana Bhairava Tantra (I have an English translation). Reductive analysis is a method, which if followed meticulously is nothing short of meditation. Btw, Eagleman never said intelligence cannot exist outside the human brain. In fact, molecular biologists would be very angry if you say something like that. We know a DNA is intelligent, a cell is intelligent, herds of wildebeest, shoals of fish and flocks of birds show collective intelligence. Brain is just a small field among all the intelligent systems in nature that are studied. Science cannot take sides, because it is unsure of what it explores. So Eagleman cannot side with Akhtar. Akhtar simply tried to woo his crowd by showmanship, he doesn't have the requisite education or training to be talking neuroscience, Eagleman does, that's why that conversation was enriching, unlike this.
@@sabyasachibandyopadhyay8558 I think that there is some confusion due to the words used by us for communication. Let us take the first thing first. You have said that Sadhguru's proposition is "Mind is an accumulation of impressions." There is no disagreement on this preposition. David Eagleman, Javed Akhtar, you and me -everybody agree. When Javed Akhtar says that the mind is composed of many rooms, he only refers to the fact the mind is not to the present conscience alone, but it includes sub-conscience also. Again in your own words, "Does that mean, if I peel off an onion, the onion still exists in some higher metaphysical dimension? No". Here again, everyone agrees that the mind ceases to exist when it is rid of its accumulation. Up to this point, there is no disagreement. According to David Eagleman, Javed Akthar, "I" is my mind, and hence when the mind ceases to exist, "I" is no more. But according to Jaggi Vasudev, "I" is something that acquired and, therefore, that "I" continues to exist even after all it has accumulated have gone. We should not confuse this "I" with Nature because, according to Jaggi Vasudev, "I" is a localized thing, which he calls "a piece of life." You and I are two pieces of life. You quoted a part of my sentence, "Even David Eagleman does not accept Jaggi's view of the existence of a dimension of any intelligence outside the human brain" without including the concluding clause "that is capable of being touched by a human being through some method." Since we, human beings, are endowed with a bit of intelligence, we infer that Nature should have the utmost intelligence in creating all hardware and software for the 'running' of the universe. That dimension Intelligence of Nature which provides an algorithm for all-natural phenomena (including Jagg's favorite example of food one takes becoming a part of his body) is within reach of a human being, according to Jaggi Vasudev with a rider that one should use not the scientific method but an altogether different method he teaches to get that dimension of intelligence. I dispute this claim. Through our scientific pursuits, we are continuously discovering the laws of Nature. However, it is a never-ending process because what we know is insignificant compared to what is still unknown. Jaggi discredits science for this very same reason that it is never complete and claims that he has created a method different from the scientific approach that will enable you to acquire a complete knowledge about Nature in a short time. Only this claim I suspect as money-spinning deceit. (By the way, may you please inform where I can download the English version of Vigyana Bhairava Tantra?)
@@spasokan www.meditationiseasy.com/meditation-techniques/vigyan-bhairav-tantra-index-of-112-meditation-techniques/ Thank you for sharing your thoughts. For the sake of readability I shall answer in gist. The question of who "I" am is studied by psychologists. The most prominent, Jungian psychology claims "self" is an archetype that dictates how we react to the world. Carl Jung divided the "self" into 2 centers - "Ego" which is a working self created by a continuity of memories stored throughout life, contained inside a much larger "Self" which is "something" beyond memory, the united whole, at equilibrium. I said this in order to underscore that "I" isn't a trivial question, unlike what Akhtar claims is a "pompous question". One thing that we can understand clearly, is "I" isn't rigid. It changes with what we identify ourselves with. So, any meditation method plays a simple trick. Instead of shifting attention from one external object to another, it attends to attention itself. Awareness is technically the only thing animals do without memory. So, it can serve as a window into Jung's memory-less bigger "SELF" in which the smaller "Ego" is contained. This is called centering. The 112 methods in VBT are all centering techniques. Are these unscientific? Absolutely not. A lot of work is going on into understanding these principles and the altered mental states they lead to. So what dies at death? Since "I" is not rigid that answer is suddenly not obvious. Let's just say there might be an identity inside me which death cannot touch. Quoting Carl Jung, "If the Self could be wholly experienced, it would be a limited experience, whereas in reality its experience is unlimited and endless". So the "i" that Eagleman referred to might not be the same "I" that Sadhguru is talking about. Secondly, although Sadhguru says "pieces of life" as if it is localized, he also compares these pieces to bubbles filled with the same air, the understanding being that the manifestation (bubble) is localized, the essence (air) is universal and the eventuality is the bubble being burst (liberation). Is this a load of hypothetical conjectures? Quantum physics describes "entanglement", where particles separated by eons of space-time are linked. Btw, Sadhguru never discredits science as an explorative pursuit. He only said that the goal should not be to use everything we set our eyes upon, but to fund and support the natural curiosity of man. I don't know if he wants to cheat people through the Isha foundation, but it is only common sense that as a human, my life will be enriched if I observe myself closely, and for that I don't need him personally (there's a lot of material developed throughout the history of mankind), but there might be people who do.
I couldn’t understand what sadhguru was talking about but I could easily understand the meaning of each word said by javed akhtar which is to value your own thinking and common sense. Don’t follow anyone blindly. We want more debates like these.
As an anchor, you must be neutral throughout the debate/discussion till conclusion ,this is the fundamental things and proper management should be done very carefully before organizing such type of sensitive discussion.
Sadhguru owes no explanation to Javed or any Tom , dick and Harry. They are not in that phase , as Sadhguru puts it, of seeking to expand beyond their present point in the journey of survival.
Javed Akhtar should also answer what is the logic behind Burkha, Hijab, Sharia, Triple talak, child marriage, Polygamy, Mutah, Khatna, bro sis marriage, Taharush, and producing 10 kids, 72 hoors.
I am also here.. After 7 years.. When I have seen this video.. I got interested in to Spirituality.. Then I studied this.. Today I am researching on this from one of the most premium institutes.. All I can say.. I see there is hardly separate stand points of debating here.. As 80% time.. They are talking the same in different languages and different understanding of the same..
When I was a kid, my parents made me follow a religion, when I was a young adult I thought I was spiritual and not religious, and now I'm an adult, I understand that I'm neither religious nor am I spiritual, I'm just rational....
Just because someone is calm doesn't mean that they are right...sadhguru's face while javed sir was explaining his points said it all. I still don't get why people believe this con man, blind faith really is something.
@@animeway777You can say anything about Osho but one thing you can't say is that he's not original. Osho is a legend even if he was fooling people. Sadguru is just copy paste
Sorry dear ja can never think of arguing with Zakir Naik it’s possible only in Hindus as what Sadguru say Hindus are seekers and all kinds of thoughts prevail in diff kinds of cults of Hindu faith in Islam or christianity there are only commandments no arguements or u would be killed if u argue
even javed hasnt fully understood his mind thats why he is a moron who is speaking trash beacause it is proven in the current era by the scientist that there is a subconsious mind but rather accepting it there are fools like you who belive in javed
I am a Christian . Yes I am a BJP suppporter . they call us krisanghi in south.. No wonder Jaggi is invited in US, UN , Arab countries etc etc .. and loveday Javed in pakistan.. Shows the standard.. Aukaat mei farak.. javed lost the debate as soon as the Jaggi vasudev Opened his mouth .. just like that.. He was shown his place.. 🤣🤣Javed looked helpless like palestine and jaggi as Israel Mossad !
You are obsessed with only western culture and look down on Indian culture because u have a servile colonial dog mentality. U are a western bootlicker. U think u sound smart because u said Kierkegaard, u are not ur an idiot just like them. U are limited into ur thought and emotion which u have gathered from outside, there fore it is not you. Instead of being a western bootlicker next time say patanjali and abhinavacharya, Shankaracharya and Krishnamurthy. U probably don’t even know them and look down on them because ur a western bootlicker and servile colonial dog.
@@humen2236 no I meant about the comment of Mr vishal shubham....instead of sake he should have typed fake....fake javed miandad ...I mean akhtar whatever
Again, that throws a different perspective... Who's calm? The one who questions the very existence of life or the one who lives it without a second thought? If Ignorance is the bliss, why is this journey towards enlightenment?
just because one is calm doesnt mean one is right, the arguments posed by his oppositions were substantial even though the person was emotionally unstable at times.
सद्गुरू: हम इस ग्रह पर क्यों है। जावेद: क्योंकि इस ग्रह पर मच्छर है। सद्गुरू: हम इस ग्रह पर क्या करने आए है। जावेद: जो मच्छर करने आए है। एक आदमी बहुत ज्यादा पहुंचा हुआ है।😁😁😁🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
My Takeaways: Rejection of Blind Faith Both agreed that institutionalized belief systems can become problematic when they impose restrictions or conflict with personal freedom and rationality the idea of individual exploration and people to question and seek experiences rather than accept beliefs blindly The idea of "Don’t believe in anything you don’t know" reflects a central theme
This discussion totally became personal, and Javed Akhtar just enjoyed the advantage of being foolishly cheered by the audience. Both are disappointing here. Vasudev Jaggi deserved to heard in a better way.
@Shehzad Bhatti why r u insulting javed why saying him as a thinker... Say he is a comedian.. javed says- there is no difference between mosquito and human... Result jAved is a mosquito and he is doing bhim bhin infront of legend sadhguru😀😀
I will tell you people a story. There was a 5 year old kid and a man who sold scientific calculators. You know what the kid said when he met that man "Your toys are so bad".
Look at his hand movements. He is shaking like he is about to have seizure. Meanwhile Sadhguru is always calm. Try to find one moment where he isn't calm. You can't haha.
@@raz0rcarich99 It seems like you don't know Javed Akhtar much, so I'll take the liberty to explain. To begin with, his hands do shake a lot nowadays, even when he's just relaxing and chatting with friends. He's not angry or nervous, he's elderly and unwell. Secondly, if you look closely, you can see the annoyance in sadhguru's eyes. The fact that he doesn't actually express what he feels in itself goes to show that he can lie to you with a straight face and you'd never realize it. Javed Akhtar is naturally of an excitable disposition. That doesn't prove his theory incorrect.
Jaggu on weed.....zombies follow.... by the way wife left for mahasamadhi.....says dingi.... Body was cremated against customs of burial and father in law was not allowed even see his daughter body.... Post motem would have revealed the truth....so body cremated.....
Actually, Javed Akhtar is nothing more than a fool. He was trying to dominate debate with his foolishness and result is in front of all. Javed's face was full of arrogance and he was shivering when Sadguru was responding. Javed is nothing more than a small actor, nothing related to enlightenment.
Doesn't matter who won. Sadhguru, Osho, JD Krishnamurthy, Swami Vivekananda, Eckart Tolle, Alan Watts, Srila Prabhupada they all teach the same thing which is beyond our thinking mind. They had helped me find peace within myself. I love every spiritual teachers of India
11 years back when I watched this video, I was one among few who were praising Javed saheb for his Rationality in the comment section, and everybody else was just abusing him...But now this comment section is filled with all praises and rational thoughts about Javed Saheb...India has grown so much in these 11 years...🔥
Absolutely, I agree. Revisiting it today, Javed makes a lot of sense. Life experiences really shape our perspective. Yet, there are still people who admire Sadguru's teachings with that distinctive background music . He's their world, just as he was mine once 😂
Really??he uses his rationality only when it comes to hindu thought process.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan along with hate for kafers,women subjugation,nd violence for spreading islam. nd he wont question it.he is just opposing nd quesrtioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
@Sameer-wy7cy ...well kid even Brahmins are Muslims, who took refuge in a Buddhist country known as India...
@@avgb2115kid, now i can understand the level of intelligence nd knowledge u have.buddhism was defeated in india by the great sage adishankara in debate not by war bec india is the land of debate.main philosophy of buddhism nd hinduism is non violence.judge was also buddhist monk.the real reason for decline of buddhism in north nd afghanistan nd pak were islamic invasions tht happened over the period of 1000 years.buddhist monks who didnt convert were keeled in lacks by chuslims.taliban have recently destroyed bamiyan buddha statues of afghanistan which aurangazeb tried to destroy 500 years ago bt failed.thts the main reason buddhist monks of myanmar started to hate chuslam nd it led to rohingya muslim crisis.u can be peacefull bt u can never sleep with rabis dog(chuslam)-mynmar buddhist monk.go read kid
@@Sameer-wy7cyIndia is special because we follow a constitution, unlike the Islamic world, which often bases laws on the Quran. The West decided to keep religion and law separate, seeing potential issues. Imagine if our life if main rules were from a religious book. Sometimes, I hear stories about how people were treated before we got independence, and how there was slavery and violence in the name of religion. We're fortunate to have a constitution now, and we should be thankful for what we have done. We should aim to make people happier, improve our lives, and reduce inequality in society 🙂
The moderator is unbiased & that's something to be applauded for!
really like the moderator. she is amongst the two icons and still in control
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity.
Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality..
Let me give an example for it.
If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said.
I request everyone to watch this video in following manner:
*No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win.
* Athlete boost his qualities over practice.
*Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss.
*If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right.
So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense.
Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@maqsoodi1000ur analysis is really stupid
@@sreenivasb9348i wish you made sense. Athletes know that if they work hard they’ll succeed, it’s fact. Many people have done it. It’s not an idea which can’t be tested alike the claims made by Sadhguru. He has never been able to prove anything. Athletes knowing that “METHODS” will get them somewhere is the use of common sense. Without common sense what are we? Can you succeed without common sense?
@@sreenivasb9348read about Strawman fallacy and try to avoid using it.
Javed said Ramanujan was a human being he cannot be right all the time. This was in reference to the comment from the anchor that Ramanujan claimed that all he knew was from a Goddess. So javed basically denied that.
But ....Same things apply for Muhammad. He claims that he has got instructions from Allah. Now Muhammad was also a Human being and he cannot be right.
So basically a religion was found out of nowhere.
Superb
@@santuchakraborty6642 thanks bro
It was invented (Islam) , not discovered, and u can invent almost anything
Just like our elders decide some rules for the house, because they have more wisdom, similarly Muhammad decided some rules for Muslims, because of his understanding of himself and the world around him, and I'm sure he wasn't alone there, there must be many people around him, helping him, his friends, colleagues and all, nothing too fancy about it
@@naveensharma2509 please search Neeraj Atri, see his video. He has made videos on Quran.
7 year ago I was listening the talk and I was completely on the side of sadguru and today I am listening the same talk and now I am completely with Javed sir I am witness how the pendulum change with time and experience
You polarised , switching right and left
@@YogaToSamadhibruh
@@YogaToSamadhi and nothing wrong in it. Sadguru is just making fool and following Footsteps of Osho. Both are biggest fraudsters.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity.
Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality..
Let me give an example for it.
If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said.
I request everyone to watch this video in following manner:
*No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win.
* Athlete boost his qualities over practice.
*Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss.
*If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right.
So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense.
Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@YogaToSamadhi Oh so basically we shouldn’t use our own minds? Just blindly listen to what gurus say?
A toddler will believe that ghosts exist, but when he grows older, he will realise that ghosts are just a figment of imagination. Is that also polarised?
Now i know why tiktok is so popular...we have audiences like these that will clap and cheer anything
Absolutely right
There is one more thing that is very popular ..Isha foundation... But sadly outside of that people sometimes like to hear logic rather than crap... Vaise bahut buri li gayi hai guruji ki...inko bolo videos Bana ke Modiji ko de diya kare..ye sare aam Jaleel hona, bhakto ka 'faith' uth jaata hai..😂
@@mayanks1014 jali na teri bhi jali naa😂😂
@@mayanks1014 " guru ji ki le li " .. such a crap you are 😅😅
And especially thoughts of the javed akhtars chutiya audience seriously..
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Kunjal Chawhan This is the only real and best one
Super
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😂😂😂😂Ha ha ha ha
Well Said 😎✌️✌️✌️✌️
well said bro... best comment ive read so far
if i remove all the vocals and see the muted video... i found person on left very calm and chearfull and person on right a very impatient, impulsive and very annoying... i was tht he gonna hav heart attack any moment.... this simly reflects the difference between an atheist and mystic.......
oh and the moderator is the crow which they have shown in the beginning..
Hahaha, Crow lol!
I laughed really loud reading your comment :D
sameer duggal so truee!!! lol 😂
bro,u rocked it
sameer duggal ohhh that s the ans i was looking for thank u for saying this behalf of me...en chutiyo k beech jana he nhe chahiye tha...they just keep saying their raag jo hmesha se gaatey aaye hai...bhains k aagey been bajana aaj dekh b liya
Being calm doesn't make one right. Kudos to Javed sir❤
Calmness 😂😂😂 dude is always up for personal attack @@naqaabposh4872
So many Hindus falling for Jihadi propaganda 😂😂 that's why Bangladeshi Hindus are suffering
"What about common sense?" That one liner is a badass winner.
If our scientists relied on common sense ..you couldn't be able to use smartphone...someone's belief helps us to develop not common sense...just think about that
@@medaesthetic1365 anyway it's not one of those religious beliefs that smart phone was made, it was a work of a rational mind.
@@sahoo82 I am talking about Ramanujan saying that a Goddess helps him to Find the mathmatical number...it may be right or wrong Don't know...But it was his belief
@@sahoo82 And Bro..common sense is also coming from those 5 senses which we have..argue with someone for learning not for Ego.simple fact presented By Sadhguru
@@medaesthetic1365 who is denying the five senses, the problem is sadhguru trying to explain the six sense dimension in a vague and convoluted way, that is subjective. By the way it guru is fake... Check out his video reaction and you'll know better how manipulative he is with words.
I don't think it would be possible to have this kind of conversation right now in our country given the political climate.
you misjudge the political climate free speech is on the rise in india, dont belive people that say otherwise
We are having an "eradicate Sanatan Dharma" type discussion right now.
My thought exactly... its not about who is right or not. It is about having a forum where ideas can be debated and an audience that is open to both sides. More of these are needed.
So true , environment of debate is gone...all predecided, since 2014 my way or highway ...even gurus are scared...Ab to khud avtar declare kar di
exactly and that is unfortunate reality
Isn't it kind of weird how religious people receive respect for their beliefs, while science-minded individuals who present evidence often don't receive the same level of respect? This dynamic helps us understand how religious people are perceived as being closed-minded.
Excatly! And they fail to understand that the science-minded individuals are actually using their own thinking ability ofcorse given to them by the grace of the very God they believe in..!!!
You are the opposite, 😂 religious ideas and thoughts are not respected, and most of the youth use their small brain and find that science is more logical than religious texts or ideas but that tiny-minded fellows don't know that 😅, modern science is also influenced by Vedas, Upanishads, I didn't say this, it's said the scientists
@venkatabhinavpoluri1748 I agree with the last sentence of your comment that modern science is also influenced by the Vedas, Upnishads and such ancient texts. But this shows that those are not 'religious texts' those texts are the thoughts and realizations about life, nature and our surroundings as understood by the scholars at that time. And so 'today youth finds science more logical than religious texts' doesn't exactly make that much sense in my opinion.!
@@shwetachaudhari1894 Religion texts are always not about the god or rituals, you said " those are not religious texts ", and if you get to know the cosmology and astronomy mentioned in Hindu scriptures, it opens a new dimension in your brain, "dimension" refers to to a new thought process, you will automatically question the modern science, I don't know whether that science is wrong or right, but they give a new approach to our brains, many foreign scientists themselves said it, so without knowing the scientific theories in the Vedas, and without knowing the truth how can we declare that the Hindu religious "science " is a pseudo-science, so many of youth declare them as mythology and call it as illogical, how can we declare? Damn they wrote Vedas and Upanishads for some thousands of years, many of those got demolished by invaders, just imagine how much science was there in those scriptures, " today's youth find modern science logical and Vedic science illogical, without reading the Vedic cosmology " I hope now it made sense
Not at all, in fact, the pseudo minded intellectuals respect the non believer and rationalist rather than spiritual gurus like Sadhguru.
As a Korean I’m very happy to read uplifting comments for Javed. Shows majority of Indians are rational.
Majority indians are still superstitious.
How did you come to find this video??. I'm just curious 😅😅
You mean Sadhguru is or was asking the audience to believe anything?
@@ombembde3826 I listen to 90s Javeds songs. Don’t know this got recommended on my feed, just like you I was curious about Javeds view on religion. He is right about using logic, reasoning and common sense. The other guy was talking to trigger people’s emotions without facts or sources
Really??he is only rarional when it comes to hindus.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan.he is just opposing nd questioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do .he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community.go read their book nd u will know y exactly he is doing tht
Why people screaming and clapping when one a person counter other person. This is not a comedy show .
the asian because they agree with that person
Exactly. Why?
They liked their point so that's why they are screaming and clapping...It doesn't need to be comedy to do that..
They all are from same party no neutral audience
Kyuki sale adhe sirf timepass karne ate haii
Speak like no one understands, then you become a spiritual GURU..
You don't understand is your problem..... Not all students understand everything that is said by a teacher.
I get it you didn’t understand anything
Yeah.. the peasants and church also didn't understand what Copernicus or Galileo spoke. So they were Satan's avatar..
Javed Akhtar’s arguments were fantastic. I didn’t know he had such deep philosophical thinking, just wow!
@@Drew0Ranger philosophy and reality are like two parallel lines.sadgutu saved many lives by meditation yoga and in many other ways.🙏
Deep philosophical thinking! lol 😂😂😂
Drew, buddy you need to learn English first. Akthar and philosophical thinking can’t be in the same sentence based on this debate. Unless of course there is a negative in there.
@@nivedita0019 yes philosophy and reality are 2 parallel lines i.e they never intersect
That is just your opinion. !!!
I am very happy to see in comments section that almost everyone praising Javed sahab. Javed Akhtar is truly cares for us.
Because most of the commentors are muslims😂that's it😂
Javed akhtar is the older version of joe😂
Hahaha 😂😂🤣
Lolz.. Well said !!
Exactly...hahahha
correct 😅
Seriously man.....😂😂
Javed Akhtar is a no BS person. His thoughts are clear and with no complex crap.
You attached towards that because complexity needs more intelligence to understand.
Shut the **** up with your crap!! Sadhguru is clear and intelligent
I thik if some one didn't believe in God he also can't believe in humanity. Shame on fools like javed.
@@FunRider008No way !! Sadhguru literally said science textbooks are crap... And he'll never read them bcz they are incorrect. What a Hippocrate !!!
@@hemankkalshan6436he even didnt read Gita vedas and ramayana..he told Ram is just a fictional cjaracter .
Wht a crap he is !
Meditation helped me during my years of depression. Spirituality, among other ‘ methods’ can take you out of a mental dark pit. I don’t believe that spirituality is just nonsense philosophy of some modern gurus. Their is so much written and practiced since ages, and even today when l took this methods help, it helped
When a fan is moving, you don't see the blades. That doesn't mean the blades are absent. It just means you were unable to see it because of certain specific REASONS. Meditation will help you. There is no denying that fact. But it can be very well explained by science why meditation can help you and the existence of a superior power won't be one of the reasons demonstrated by science.
They won't understand it because they think what people used to believe or is written in books is all true yet they rejects other religios books
The effect of getting out of depression or any other mental trauma can easily be explained and eventually it's their mind that forces them to believe because of their beliefs on these books and gurus .@@ananyaa6664
@@ananyaa6664 It can all be explained by science, the day that the scientific community realises how many physiological differences there are between an enlightened person's physical body & a normal person will be the day that changes most atheists views on "spirituality"(If politics don't hide this research which they will most likely do). Most scientists are just not able to open up to the possibility of there being truth in this type of stuff because it is not something to be grasped by the mind, I watched a podcast of someone who asked scientists that do psychedelic research to do research on his brain after having reached a certain stage of "enlightment" where he became almost immune to psychedelics meaning it barely had an effect on him because the state of consciousness he is in naturally is already like a psychedelic trip, but the scientists just ignored him probably thinking it was just some crazy person. When you see sadghuru talk about this stuff ofcourse you feel ressistance to the stuff he is saying you might think he's talking nonsenses like a guy tripping of psychedelics but ur just not able to comprehend the internal experience of sadghuru in your own experience that's why you don't notice the references that he makes to that experience of self.
Same here
11 year back I don’t know where I was but after hearing this debate I feel proud to see I am on good path as javed ji mentioned. And in the current time of Indian politics and Indian mind set it’s difficult to find a rational mind because most of them are busy following the vishvaguru in the name of LORD RAMA but they also know the truth that there is no way we are living under RAM RAJYA.
Even when you are on a wrong path u keep realizing that u ve been fed poison..when i was supporting this fascist regime in 2017 , there was something in me that kept telling me something is not right...( now i realise it was extreme right😂).
U got an easy life brother that’s why nothing changed for you do some ground work face the real world
@MrMap-z3e people are free to update or change their views. Why do you praise JA only when he agrees with you
@MrMap-z3e stop calling people blind bhakts or hypocrite for no reason at all. I did not support bjp here. It is you who needs to use their brain. Javed Akhtar is not a right winger even now. Farhan went to support the Anti CAA protests 😂 was it also for publicity Mr. Map? 🗺️ You will start namecalling people just for disagreeing and that's childish.
@MrMap-z3e Then you are calling me a blind followers of whom? JA is still a leftist. Yes he out now so maybe he lost his one-liners and can't get hyperactive in debates like this one.
Wow!!! Modern science is so true….,hats off to Mr Javed
idiot
I think this could be a right statement that you peel onion, you get nothing, there could be another way to put something in onion, then peel the onion, then what? You will be getting something, if you didn't get? Mr. Modern science(for a while)[modern science is way forward] don't you cut the onion from head "the roots".
Look, this is from Joe Root. Always get neglected, sir, keep your private part uncut, at least in your next generations. Not in next, then coming. by cutting cover of penis are you not punishing Allah. What does Allah do wrong with momin/momina, I agree you are atheist. You choosen wrong mirror to write your poetry, If you could choose the right mirror, then Naam Shabana.
You could be the poetry minister of any country.
Sorry😢.
This has nothing to with modern science.his rationality only kicks in when it comes to hindu thought process.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan along with utter hatred for other religions nd gods.he is just opposing nd questioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
@@Sameer-wy7cy and your rationality seems to only disappear when it comes upon hindu religion being an atheist means that one have given up his religion so on one hand u call him atheist and on the other hand you say that he is stern follower of Islam,how could that be? . About the death penalty in Islam for being atheist that's what Javed is saying that faith if exercised in wrong way can legitimise worst of actions done by a human being,he also gave an example of suicide bomber and think he was referring about Islam and it's wrong interpretation.There are many controversial things and they are present in every religion,same goes for hindu religion too as for Islam and Christianity and others.
@@Sameer-wy7cy every religion is a guide book to discipline people as we all live in a social group. But as time went, lot of rules and claims made by this book of faith, felt out of place and outdated. Of these lot, Islam seems to be the most outdated one and I agree with it. Having said that, other religion such as Hindu Christianity Buddhist etc are not free from outlandish claims and suggestions as well. Common sense should be ruled supreme to all these…
when ever i listen sadguru i learn new things this time a learn how to tolerate a man without a mind
o🙏 or a man who is only mind
Agreed I have experienced same
Yes
Both are equally right...
Learn about the origin of the universe.... evolution of life ...try to understand it or watch the shows that explain them...like the show COSMOS.
believe me you will start questioning yourself and everything around you and slowly start loosing faith in the irrational and illogical thing you believe in (religion)
But anyway we live in a free country ... believe whatever you want but do consider logic , reasoning, evidence etc.
Just see the body language of both you understood everything
Bilkul sahi kha apne
thats true mam
True
Beautifully brought to everybody's eyes 👍😊
Superb answer... u said 100% right.
Javed akhter is just brilliant..he knew in a country like ours he will be heavily criticised by everyone...still he went ahead
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity.
Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality..
Let me give an example for it.
If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said.
I request everyone to watch this video in following manner:
*No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win.
* Athlete boost his qualities over practice.
*Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss.
*If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right.
So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense.
Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
watch exmuslim sachwala n exmuslim sahil n exmuslim Sameer and exmuslim apostate imam
@@sreenivasb9348 your throwing around bs that makes no sense...
@@sreenivasb9348 prove the method.
If an athlete will say to you solve 1000 maths problems before relay race, you will believe him?
No, because it doesn't make any sense.
You have to explain the method scientifically and logically, he doesn't do that, he just say to follow the method, specially when he is just a self proclaimed specialist,and on the top of that he spreads pseudoscientific nonsense.
@@sreenivasb9348 Getting scammed and conned is a practice, so is becoming a scammer and con-artist. The trick is to have a parameter to distinguish between getting scammed and getting value out of a barter. If a barter system is to console you and give you false hope then there's no point of becoming great at that placebo effect which has no real end result other than feeling dopamine of accomplishment while doing nothing. You can actually be an accomplished man with a resume of excellence or you can convince in your head that you're an accomplished man and you don't need any resume or work to support that!!
Also, tell me one thing, if you find ultimate spirituality and others are rejecting that, why go extra mile to sell that spirituality to get more dimwits in your bandwagon? Makes no sense, you already found Nirvana and others don't want that, yet you will take their worldly possession to give your most cherished nirvana for their possession...MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!! Is it because if you don't share and convince the nirvana you gained to other dimwits, someone will snatch it away from you. Just stupidity and making more of the same herd!
11 years ago I was supporting Sadh Guru now Im mature enough to difference between reality and fantasy.🙂
Same here
True
Same
Still uh choose stupidity
@@shashankshukla8811 lol. Good one.
One guru advised him not to use mind ..i dont know whose guru said this..but i certainly understood that he has taken it seriously.....matlab....gajab ki line kahdi........😗😎
And Javed didn't understand it..... Ignorance is bliss... Ha ha ha
@@sandhyashrestha9549 he didn't understand becoz he is stupid.
But the fact is Mr. J is the proponent of mind..... whereas the guru is the opponent of mind. And Mr. J says that he has never taken any guru seriously to this taunt by the guru.
one guru advise him not use mind now we understand y he say
Javed Bhai need some time..jaggi ke aage Javed Avi baccha he..ND I hop Is janam me Javed tuch see naa ho payega..
In 5 year I have changed a lot .. jagi to javed I have grown to a man
Dhruv Rahti C Follower Spotted😂😂
I dont like sadhguru much, but try to lookout so called greatest philosophies which is vedantas, based on faith in god. Read tagore, vivekanand philosp"s . Javed akhtar is legend, but many philosophers went beyond, and give ideas of faith for human welfare and peace of mind.
I don't read tagore .. but i have read and have though about vivekanand ideology as a philosophical way ..but still the faith in god not the primary support any rational leader would stuck upto vivekanand has denied hundreds of arguments and ideas about hinduism mainly because he was a hindu soo .. i can't really say that he is rational at every point so i prefer more clear leaders or philosopher .. may be i lack knowledge somewhat. But few things i am clear about is god and its ideology .. i follow bhagat singh as clear perspective from indian leaders ..
@@vivekbhatt7433idiot
abe gadhe... 100 years ago both of these people were not here.... People were still growing !!!
I watched this in 2016 I was not happy with Javed sir but today it’s 2024 nd I’m mature enough what he was trying to say
Same here
After some year's...realizing of fundamental life you'll appreciate others too...
3 years ago I am on the side of javed sir. Now I understood sadhguru. This is what maya means. and I dont know about javed sir but I am sure sadhguru is well aware about this maya.
sometimes reason will help you. sometimes faith will help you.
sometimes reason can kill you and same with faith.
when sadhguru says dont identify with mind, he means dont identify with these dualities. he wants us go behind these dualities.
May be you were right then and wrong now. How do you know that you are going backwards or forward ?!!!
@@sudeepreddy5130I never understood that moh maya bullshit.
That guru of yours is a multi-millioniare, why doesn't he give up the "maya" and live like a common man? Why does he need all of the luxuries? Aren't they just "maya"? Aren't they things that should be avoided?
Your guru does not practice his own teachings. Think about who you are following. Research bout him. Don't just blindly follow the guy.
I am here after Kunal Kamra's episode.
Me too..reading the comments section..what a turnover.. the people there praising Javed akhtar for his rationality while his getting battered here for the same😂😂 as sadhguru said..it's about perceptions 😂
Kuch bhi kuch bhi
😝😝😝
Same here....me too after Kunal Kamra episode😊
Me too 😂😂😂
Carefully lokk at the faces of both of them. Sadguru is calm while Javed is mad with rage
Yes that proves like what?
@@onlyitj A wise person never lets anger overtake himself. Javed may never had got a teacher who taught him the principles of islam correctly due to which he became an atheist. Sadhguru is a yogi, a wise person. He knows what to speak at what time. Am not saying that all he says is right but he speaks sensibly, calmly like a saint while Javed is raging like a mad bull
@@thespiritualomnist Javed is not a saint, he speaks with logic and conviction but I agree he could be nicer
So those with blood pressure?
@@onlyitj but that's the problem he only understand everything with crude scientific logic that demands "measurement".. If it can't measure it isn't scientific... And not everything in the universe is "measurable"... Just like he said about Ramanujan... Just becoz he can understand it... It means he is wrong.. 😂
According to the comment section, if you're speaking in a confident calm manner you can pass as the superior being who knows all.
Wtf.
Exactly, 90% of the comments here are by intellectually bankrupt, emotionally charged and credulous Sadguru fanatics who have no idea of how to distinguish fact from fiction.
Yea. Right
Yes bro if your calm and talking shit
That doesn't makes you intellectual
People are just seeing his personality not what is he saying
@@Batman-hu-mai right
Tho what Javed said made total sense what sadguru said didn't quite make sense, can you please explain?
Holy shit ..I am amused at the knowledge & competence level of Javed saab ..He really gave some absolute showstopper replies to Jaggi's claims
Not actually 😂
Video should be titled "Two idiots and Sadhguru".
*****
HAHAH verry well said
Sounds apt
One idiot with paid media anchor by bollywood and sat guru ji .
***** u r 100 percent
true
***** why coz your guru lies ? lol
Sage never strives to prove his wiseness.
Stupid always try to prove himself right. "Lao Tzu - 'Tao te Ching".
Bsdk to enterance exam mat dia kar ban karwade
@@vishals7433 but India mai enterance exam hote hi nahi, maine toh aajtak keval entrance exam hi diya
Aur entrance exam is to find out your competitive capabilities (which is also important in some fields in this world) not your knowledge and neither your righteousness 🙏,aur kitne log nahi bhi dete hai tab bhi bohot aagye jatye hai
Ok let assume he want to fight, was his thought make sense or not?
@@alvinman8 please kindly be a little more specific,I am unable to understand you
It’s a debate tho. I know you probably idolize sadguru....but let’s look at both perspectives objectively
I respect sadhguru from inner heart ...people who are commenting here for sadhguru must also be respect him and follow him ...but as I can see in almost all the comments is they are abusing Javed Akhtar ...I know he was fury while answering ...but why don’t you keep calm as sadhguru did ..this proves that you are also one of Akhtar’s category !!! I just want to make a point please don’t be judgmental
Nitin You are right
Nitin Your true follower of Sadguru.
👍👍
Immensely happy to see you immerse Sadhguru's teachings to your life, truly this is what we need and we'll be at a diffrent stage once we all understand Sadhguru's teachings.
Nitin Jangid guys like you end up losing their girl and businesses .. watch out the world is pretty manipulative Sadhguru knows how to take care of his business and he has pussy aplenty when and where he needs it.. it's guys like you who come out poorer by your lack of focus and common sense
Sadguru’s gibberish is exhausting. I still can’t believe that I fell for it back in the day. Thankfully better sense has prevailed since then.
I think that what you can't understand is garbage to you and have not any desire to understand his words.
@aditya.. gibberish is gibberish.. doesn't matter how intellectual you try to be.. it will still be gibberish.
Yeah I believed his pseudoscience statements..😢
You fell for it??
Don't get ahead of yourself buddy.... You never got it at all
@@JibonSarkar-x1n woah..then it's better if I've not got it....
Who's here after Kunal Kamra's episode ?
✌️
Me
Though watched way before kk episode but felt like watching again 😀
@Goldmine Telefilms tu chutiya. Me to already dekh chuka hu. 😂
Logo se pooch raha hu bas. 😂
✌️
The clear winner here was the Moderator! Hats off to her!
Everyone understand difference between Cool mind and Fool mind..
Who
Same as the Difference between you and sadaguru😆
don't say fool mind.....they are not fool ....they are doing it as a propagandist (javed akhtar)
@@ER_motive another half literate......sadaguru has a propaganda bcs his livelihood depends on it not javed.....he is a writer...sadaguru has to con people to make a living......damn the irony is totally lost on fools like you
@@AKASHSINGH-tx5rc today writers have the most dangerous weapon in the world....they slowly slowly turns mind based on their observations...take example as the wire ,the print and all foreign channels
Javed Alhtar sahab has my respect. Loved the way he came up with logical points ❤
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity.
Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality..
Let me give an example for it.
If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said.
I request everyone to watch this video in following manner:
*No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win.
* Athlete boost his qualities over practice.
*Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss.
*If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right.
So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense.
Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
Read ur comment after 10 years u will laugh at it😂 trust me
@@Sudhirchoudhary2788 please explain why will I laugh? Very curious to know
@@Strangercommenter because I have seen this video few times over years,trust me Javed sahab is just talking irrelevant things,he is repeating what he read from books basically contradicting what Sadhguru just said in video everything u have is an accumulation of what u have absorbed, meditation helps a person what doctors n medicine can't do and Javed sahab is saying spiritual journey is bs? really?I have myself done many forms of meditation over years n every one has different benefits,Javed sahab himself used to attend every session of Osho at Pune back in the days every evening then he read few books about atheists n thinks he is smarted because he doesn't believe in God or spirituality,if some people get peace of mind by thinking about his god n feels positive what's the problem?his son is a prime example of what a dumb person is went to CAA protest without reading the bill n said itney log aaye hai toh kuch hoga he
Don't follow sadguru as blind bhakt but atleast learn good things from him
Trust me u will also grow in few year n re-watch the video with new unbiased thinking
Can somebody tell Javed that even he's human being and he can't be always right.
there is no god
Same goes to sadhguru as well
@@sontsa1597 It goes for all mam . But one must show respect to the person who's much noble in his life and goal than you.
None of them can be equalise to what Ramanujan was and talking with such disrespect for Ramanujan just shows the arrogance and illiteracy of the man.
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People who are clapping, people who are judging who won and who lost, people who are getting arrogant... please know that this is an intellectual discussion. One should remain serious and just try to learn from these two people. This is not a comedy show. Please watch this video to understand the value of arguments in learning process.
@@sontsa1597 well funny thing is Javed Claims to be poet when he doesn't even want to wonder why musquito is there lol? He wants to live like animal and stop seeking.
As for Sadguru being right. Sadguru never promised that. The difference here is not about being right and wrong. The distinction is between more wrong and less wrong. And Javed was acting like an animal who is satisfied lol. And by the way his so called science also tried to find why musquito is there lol.
The program is organised to insult sadguru but silence defeats everyone
exactlyy..... and agreed
Agreed.
You nailed it.👍
More like science defeats everyone....Ofcourse sadguru fans won't understand this....
Just like sadhguru...you also nailed it👌
I always had respect for Javed Akhtar but I never knew he is an over confident rude man..while Sadhguru was trying to explain, Javed was here only to make fun of him..he needs to learn to debate respectfully..
@Arham Ali
Even when he used to be the judge of Indian Idol, he appeared so nice..but look at this video
My God!!
That's bcs after years of hardwork and success he has to share a stage with a con man bhadwa like sadhguru......aur tum log unpadh chutiye ho😊
@@AKASHSINGH-tx5rc
God has sent Sadhguru to deal with ignorant people like you..
But Alas! when some one falls into a pit of delusion, even God can't save him!!
Your comment just shows your bad upbringing and poor values inculcated in you..
I should have said God bless you!! but I know even God's blessing will not help you now, as inly your suffering will help you now
🙏🙏🙏
@@putuls2653 Thats a perfect reply, even sadhguru replied similarly when the show was concluded, he said "you encountered a bad apple and assumed that all apples are bad.
@@atifsayyed92
🙏🧡
Huge respect for Javed Akhtar Sir ❤❤❤
Hinduism is always targeted and attacked by enemies with their best efforts.
He is not against Hinduism, he is against all religion.
Hinduism is targeted because you can question Hinduism. If Islam would be questioned it will no longer exist.
Has anybody ever seen a debate on Islam with non Muslims participation.
@@prashantc1 Javed doesn't believe in Islam either, and he was born in a muslim family.
Sadaf and Pranay, bitches go and watch Deewar movie you will come to know
Hinduism is not Dharma or culture as Athens and foreigners used just beczo we lived near Sindhu river and our way of living and social interaction and worship and daily routine and then we called Hindu becoz we perform some daily routine and slowly it was considered as dharm or culture
Like Muslims Jain boddh Christ we don't have any person who started to be called as originator as phrophet and Jesus
Indeed from Alexander to gaznavi from him to aurangzeb and then britishers but still we are sharing enough share in the world's population becoz we are inclusive and optimistic in our life and don't dare to hurt an ant just becoz we see life in everything.
20:40 "the microphones are arranged in such a way that even if you hear you might not understand". 🤣
That's neither funny nor profound just like sadaguru and if you find it to be otherwise then you are an utter moron
@@AKASHSINGH-tx5rc dude sadhguru want to indirectly say that you are dumb
Absolutely
and iam directly saying@@AKASHSINGH-tx5rc that you are dumb🙇♂️
Savage, javed is done and dusted 😜🔥🔥
I read so many novels thn i start listening Sadhguru and found that this man is a library. My respect for him.
Lol, tune puri zindagi novel hi padha hai, tabhi toh tujhe iski baate itni acchi lagti hai 😂
@@AceZyuh mujhe ek baat smjh nhi ati... Fir tum bolte ho ki hindu Muslim ldd rhe hai... Tum muulo ki hi gaand kyo jldi hai....😂😂😂😂 Tumhe to dr. Zakir pasand hai na jo Malaysia mai chupa hua hai... Yha chutiya sa bhasan dai ka
@@dhai_kilo_ka_hath2616 J2, mein Muslim nhi. Aur tu kya pagal hai? Bas Islam hi nhi, duniya ka har ek religion Man-made hai (including yours too). Tum jaisi jahil log kabhi khudke toxic beliefs pe questioning nhi karoge, bas dusron ke toxic beliefs uthao(progress starts at home) . Ek religion ko nikal kar, usko dusre religion se replace karne ka matlab hai mouth cancer ko nikalke uski jagah lung cancer daal dena, at the end both are Cancer.
@@AceZyuh bilkul sab man made hai but izzat uski jyada jo dusro pa thopa na jaye jo dusra dharam ko glt ya nicha na bataye. Atleast u accepted ki toxic belief hai tera kuch, baki jab baat logically ho rhi hai to apna jhaant sa dimag lagana jaruri hai
@@AceZyuh u don't believe in religion tht means. (As ur statement)
"how about common sense" he nailed it there.❤❤❤
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity.
Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality..
Let me give an example for it.
If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said.
I request everyone to watch this video in following manner:
*No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win.
* Athlete boost his qualities over practice.
*Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss.
*If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right.
So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense.
Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348 very well put sir 👍👌👌👌only people who have meditated knows the real benefits of it others just preach,I also used think like Javed sahab before doing any meditation as if I know everything
Javed sahab used to visit osho for every evening session in Pune later he read few books about atheists n just used those statements here in the debate, basically improvising from whatever he learnt over the years about atheists
Meditation does things which no doctor no medicine no family friends can do for us,most practical thing ever invented thanks to our ancestors of India🙏😊
@@sreenivasb9348bruh u mad? 😂
@@MotivationGuru12922andhbhakt😂❤
"Common sense is not so common"
- Voltaire
we're nothing without our MIND. so flipping true 🙏
Then why suicides why self destruction wars u fool.. allabulla😂
so when you were born and when your mind was not developed, you were nothing...hehe
yes.@@pritesh1369
This is the beauty of Hinduism. You can question anything, even the existence of God like Brahma, Vishnu or Mahesh can be questioned. You have the full liberty to pray anyone. Even if you do not pray, that is also okay. It is not like Islam where your head will be removed from your torso if it offends the feelings of Muslims even if done indeliberately. Deen main aqal ka dakhal nahin. As far as yogic techniques are concerned, it can not be explained to anyone till the time you do it and realises the loads of energy in these mudras. All these mudras can make you feel and see even those things which you cannot see or feel from your five senses. It opens those portions of your brain which are never explored even till your death. Once you do it properly for a finite period of time, you will not be against Sadhguru. Shambhavi Mudra can make you feel in a different zone. Lord Shiva does it.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity.
Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality..
Let me give an example for it.
If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said.
I request everyone to watch this video in following manner:
*No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win.
* Athlete boost his qualities over practice.
*Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss.
*If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right.
So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense.
Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
When it's Fantasy Vs Facts 🔥🔥
@@defaulter4087 teri language se pta chl rha h "kilas gyi"😂😂🤣
btw... aapki thodi si knowledge ko expand krne ke liye:-
Fantasy- ek pari aayegi aur mujhe udaa ke le jayegi
Facts- accepting "pari-wari nhi aayegi", khud efforts lagayenge... invention ke liye idea sochenge, shuru me fail honge lekin ek din to aeroplane banega, ek din to udega. Apni imagination ko reality bna do😌
@@defaulter4087 IITian hone se kya hota h??
language se to ab bhi "chhapri nibba" lg rha h😂
IITians ki naak katwa di
@@defaulter4087 description diya tha??
bachhe, vo bs source of imagination tha
agr kisi ne Aladdin ke flying carpet ko imagine krke flying car banayi hoti to iska mtlb ye nhi hota ki Aladdin ne flying car ka formula diya tha🤷🏿♂️
or ye sun earth ke distance wala zara logic explain krna😂😂 (science student h na to units ka to pta hi hoga)
@@defaulter4087 tujhe jyada science pta h to bta de na
enlighten us😌😌
Human has created religion and not the other wise...we simply underestimate the power and capacity we house as a human being...Our creations are so powerful that we are falling prey to our own creativity and that's spectacular and dangerous at the same time.
Wow! Nice way to look at it
True
You know who said it? It was Karl Marx! @@moin6077
As an Hindu and Modi Voter, Javed is absolutely correct
Javed Akhtar is thinking like How I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense and Spirituality let me give an Example for it. An athlete sitting and thinking about winning he may or may not win and the challenges he faces in the journey is common sense. Thinking of Methods to win and following it is what sadhguru said that’s spirituality. Now everyone knows common sense speaks both advantages and disadvantages. No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
Wat card r u trying to play here??? Coz clearly it's not working...
@@sreenivasb9348 You literally had to invent a hypothetical situation to portray Sadguru as the winner of the debate.
as an ex hindu and Modi hater I got you
Amazing just how people find ways to defend him😂
What you dont realise that what your athlete is accumulating in his mind ,the data he gained, the methods he's thinking of to dominate, all that is not spirituality but the accumulation of common sense fighting with their respective sport and gaining info overtime on how to become better.
All that my friend is simply just effort and logical inference of it.
Stupid audience always claps and "wooo"s, rather than listening to both the sides and learning from it. This is a prime example of it...
bloody politics
this is mind and mind is alaways stupid
And these idiots elect the government. No wonder goons are elected.
Correct...
True
Joe’s father came to argue with Sadhguru! Poor him 🤣🤣🤣
Lol😆😆😆
Well said sweetie
Lol😂
Ari Luiza true 😂😂
😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥
Javed is not a thinkr, he is a comedian... javed says- there is no difference between mosquito and human... Result jAved is a mosquito and he is doing bhin bhin infront of legend sadhguru😀😀
Hahaha....too good
You name me who m I, Hindu/Christians/Muslim ?
I understood Creator of universe by science and understood why he created all this ?
Then i understood, He the Great One wants us all just to be His thankful.
And I m his thankful and you name me.
Who m I ?
Actually God is not correct term, it does not even define least quality of The Powerful Him.
I call him Planner, Programmer, initiator, designer architect and guardian of entire universe with trillion of huge and giant stars and planets.
And I found by my research the name
Elah in Arabic
Elahi in Persian
Eli in Aramaic
Elohim in Hebrew
Eshwer in Sanskrit
But explanation of it only in Arabic
Elah mean = the power that deserves all the worships or Top awards or all the thanks for his super power of creation and organization and maintenance of entire universal system
Islam is not conventional religion like Christianity and Hinduism, Islam is direct way to connect you to your Creator/Designer and Programmer/Architect of entire universe.
When that Creator planned, programmed, architected and organized so huge universe and stars.
Sure, He created you and awarded you intelligence and curiosity, so that you understand all that mechanism/technology and be thankful to Him. Quran 96:1
@@adnanadill Mr Farooqui, firstly, saying that Islam is the only religion that explains what God means, is seriously dumb. Secondly, putting up verses from Quran , in support of Islam, is like being both, a contestant, and a member of jury...
So please stay shut, unless you have something really logical to speak...=_=
Not only Javed says that. Even U.G. said it, I say it and Jainism and Buddhism says it. Get yourself informed before mocking at yourself. Sadhguru is bullshit. Hinduism also says it. In fact Hinduism clearly has the instruction in Guru-Shishya parampara not to disturb any living being, be it mosquito, a snake or a crow or whatever! Sarve jeeva sukhino bhavantu! Interpret this.
@@soulseer3807 do you know what guru shishyo parampara was??
Very intelligent comments from Javed saab
that is just your opinion !!!
Its clearly visible that Sadhguru is Positively Charged and Javed is Negatively charged.
But they don't attract each other 😄
@@shankaranpillai9664 Javed Akhtar is repelled by his own negativity
actually your gadget making you think about charged...
Beef na khapane ki isar hai
@@shankaranpillai9664 Ooh!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Really feeling bad for sadhguru as he was not given a proper chance for proper time to speak. All I concluded in this argument or paid attention to ...is that how to be so calm even after being insulted by wrong accusitions.Looks like sadhguru was here for a proper discussion but javed akhtar wanted an argument
I don't know which guru told you this, but it seems that the advice has been taken seriously 😂😂
🤣
@bababoi baboi if your Statment are not contradict then you are hypocrite- Osho
@bababoi baboi language doesn't need to be perfect💯 it's just a way of communication
I never takes any sadguru seriously ,😂
@@rkmoonspvtl5693 yeah that's why Javed Akhtar is frustrated .
In last 11 years both have Grown, Javed in Wisdom & Jaggi in Accumulation
javed akhtar looks angry even when he is smiling
When u know least but ur mind thinks know everything... U behave like javed..
Exactly.... well said
True
U have understood just the reverse.
Well said Aftab :-)
Nithyananda and this Nithyananda would disagree
Swamivivekananda is back again it seems after looking to his speech n gentleness
I think, if he is like wow.. then swami vivekanand was what type of personality...
@@electricalstudypoint6576s I do agree no one can be compared to swami vivknanda still sadgurs thought n views touches his points
@@electricalstudypoint6576honestly sadhguru is far more integrative than Vivekananda
@@dasndascooking6702 may be, that time interaction media was not like modern era.
@@rahirahi438 absolutely right.Swamiji is unique without any reason,faith or believe.no way
I have passed through three stages watching this video over the years
1st stage -->what the f*ck wrong with Javed ji and how wonderfully Sadhguru explaining things
2nd stage --> wow both are correct in their own ways .. what a debate
3rd stage--> wow what an intellect Javed ji is... What the f*ck is wrong with this sadhuguru verbal diarrhoea 😅😅
Javed had already undergone a surgery where his mind and brain is disconnected from his body hence this current state of mind.
His asshole has been puten at place of his mind
Haaaaaaa
@ whats up stupid ? 😄
Bahahaha
Rofl
wow.. Javed Sir is the best
Best fool ever?
Javed akher is a legend for atheist people
No. He is not. In one mushaira he said he has to show face to Allah. An atheist would never say that.
He is a spineless Jihadi in the garb of an atheist.
Really??who said he is an atheist.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan.he is just opposing nd quesrtioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
@@Sameer-wy7cy You are correct. This is what I said. He pretends to be an atheist. But he is not. He is a Jihadi who targets only Hindu belief system.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity.
Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality..
Let me give an example for it.
If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said.
I request everyone to watch this video in following manner:
*No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win.
* Athlete boost his qualities over practice.
*Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss.
*If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right.
So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense.
Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348 Javid akhtar vs Sadhguru = nonsense and hypocrisy vs supreme intelligence
"Absense of evidence is not evidence of absence" and that's something really common sensical.
Javed looks drunk. Why so hyper ... u can have a healthy argument too
Alcohol is cheap in Goa.
Healthy argument with a jerk (SADHGOAT) used to backbite!!!!
@@sim7717 so u can have a healthy argument with the moulavis in a mosque, right?
That's passion girl
Like that..
Look at javeds arrogance .. this guy tries grabbing the spotlight my insulting an other person, he seems restless and annoyed.. and if you look at sadguru hes cool like he's calm trying to elaborate about spirituality to everyone out there. This is the difference between an atheist and spiritual seeker.. we are peace seekers , we believe in soul , vibrations which makes a world great place .. one who doesn't have any faith are likely the one's who don't regret committing sins coz nothing bothers them actually coz they are just scared of the law. Imagine there isn't any kind of for commting crimes these ppl don't hesitate to do anything to fulfil there own desires. One must understand being spiritual means it's just knwoing about yourself it's neither being religious nor atheist. We believe we are here to learn and spread love and peace.
Surya Tej. Arrogance is emotion
So true bhai i think there was a crowd which has never heard about anything other than Javed's song and Shahrukh's acting
yeah and arrogance comes out of ignorance.So true
Just watch Richard Dawkins once. You will get to know the patience an atheist possesses. On the same note, if you can comprehend, patience just like other qualities differs from person to person.
I feel like you are being a little biased about javed insulting sadhguru. Yes javed did insult him with irrelevant jokes but sadhguru replied with an insult and got personal every time. Which turned this debate into a comedy show. I'm disappointed in sadhguru because what i have learned from him in the past i was thinking he will just ignore javeds idiotic jokes.
Sadhguru possesses lot of knowledge and wisdom. But lot of times he his views are biased. He says religion is madness but still he leans towards Hinduism every time.
Sadhguru has said many times that when you admit that you don't know, you can start to seek and learn but i feel like people in the comments jump to conclusions to fast without even trying to follow sadhgurus teaching and actually finding out for themselves that weather what sadhguru is saying is true or not.
Just my personal opinions, i could be completely wrong.
I came here after watching Sadhguru's conversation with David Eagleman an actual neuroscientist, who seems to agree with Sadhguru's proposition that the mind is an accumulation of impressions. And here is Javed Akhtar, who has absolutely no authority on this subject and says "The brain is composed of many rooms, you are your mind, etc." with absolute certainty. No you aren't a rationalist. A rationalist knows when he is out of his depth. You are trying to sell your beliefs under the veil of a concocted perverse definition of reasoning.
Sabyasachi
Exactly, bang on
Sir! Javed also agrees that the mind is an accumulation and only says that accumulation is me and without accumulation I do not exist just like an onion ceases to exist when all its leaves are pealed off. Jaggi says there exists a thing that accumulates and he has a method to touch that thing. To learn that method, you have to pay an exorbitant fee to Jaggi. Even David Eagleman does not accept Jaggi's view of the existence of a dimension of any intelligence outside human brain that is capable of being touched by a human being through some method. Javed and Eagleman are on one side and Jaggi is on the opposite side.
@@spasokan respectfully providing counter-arguments. "accumulation is me" is an oxymoron because what accumulates on a substrate is independent of the substrate, that is the definition of accumulation. For instance, the onion is an accumulation of its shells but why did the shells accumulate in that manner? If the shells had accumulated in any other manner you wouldn't call it an onion. An onion is made up by it's peels, but it is the algorithm in it's DNA which accumulates these peels in that fashion and manner and this is what makes the onion an onion. Does that mean, if I peel off an onion, the onion still exists in some higher metaphysical dimension? No. But if I give you a 100 peels will you be able to make an onion? No. That requires an algorithm, and you don't have access to it. Btw, you don't need to pay Sadhguru anything. All the "methods" he teaches are chronicled in Vigyana Bhairava Tantra (I have an English translation). Reductive analysis is a method, which if followed meticulously is nothing short of meditation. Btw, Eagleman never said intelligence cannot exist outside the human brain. In fact, molecular biologists would be very angry if you say something like that. We know a DNA is intelligent, a cell is intelligent, herds of wildebeest, shoals of fish and flocks of birds show collective intelligence. Brain is just a small field among all the intelligent systems in nature that are studied. Science cannot take sides, because it is unsure of what it explores. So Eagleman cannot side with Akhtar. Akhtar simply tried to woo his crowd by showmanship, he doesn't have the requisite education or training to be talking neuroscience, Eagleman does, that's why that conversation was enriching, unlike this.
@@sabyasachibandyopadhyay8558 I think that there is some confusion due to the words used by us for communication. Let us take the first thing first. You have said that Sadhguru's proposition is "Mind is an accumulation of impressions." There is no disagreement on this preposition. David Eagleman, Javed Akhtar, you and me -everybody agree. When Javed Akhtar says that the mind is composed of many rooms, he only refers to the fact the mind is not to the present conscience alone, but it includes sub-conscience also.
Again in your own words, "Does that mean, if I peel off an onion, the onion still exists in some higher metaphysical dimension? No". Here again, everyone agrees that the mind ceases to exist when it is rid of its accumulation. Up to this point, there is no disagreement. According to David Eagleman, Javed Akthar, "I" is my mind, and hence when the mind ceases to exist, "I" is no more. But according to Jaggi Vasudev, "I" is something that acquired and, therefore, that "I" continues to exist even after all it has accumulated have gone. We should not confuse this "I" with Nature because, according to Jaggi Vasudev, "I" is a localized thing, which he calls "a piece of life." You and I are two pieces of life. You quoted a part of my sentence, "Even David Eagleman does not accept Jaggi's view of the existence of a dimension of any intelligence outside the human brain" without including the concluding clause "that is capable of being touched by a human being through some method." Since we, human beings, are endowed with a bit of intelligence, we infer that Nature should have the utmost intelligence in creating all hardware and software for the 'running' of the universe. That dimension Intelligence of Nature which provides an algorithm for all-natural phenomena (including Jagg's favorite example of food one takes becoming a part of his body) is within reach of a human being, according to Jaggi Vasudev with a rider that one should use not the scientific method but an altogether different method he teaches to get that dimension of intelligence. I dispute this claim. Through our scientific pursuits, we are continuously discovering the laws of Nature. However, it is a never-ending process because what we know is insignificant compared to what is still unknown. Jaggi discredits science for this very same reason that it is never complete and claims that he has created a method different from the scientific approach that will enable you to acquire a complete knowledge about Nature in a short time. Only this claim I suspect as money-spinning deceit. (By the way, may you please inform where I can download the English version of Vigyana Bhairava Tantra?)
@@spasokan www.meditationiseasy.com/meditation-techniques/vigyan-bhairav-tantra-index-of-112-meditation-techniques/ Thank you for sharing your thoughts. For the sake of readability I shall answer in gist. The question of who "I" am is studied by psychologists. The most prominent, Jungian psychology claims "self" is an archetype that dictates how we react to the world. Carl Jung divided the "self" into 2 centers - "Ego" which is a working self created by a continuity of memories stored throughout life, contained inside a much larger "Self" which is "something" beyond memory, the united whole, at equilibrium. I said this in order to underscore that "I" isn't a trivial question, unlike what Akhtar claims is a "pompous question". One thing that we can understand clearly, is "I" isn't rigid. It changes with what we identify ourselves with. So, any meditation method plays a simple trick. Instead of shifting attention from one external object to another, it attends to attention itself. Awareness is technically the only thing animals do without memory. So, it can serve as a window into Jung's memory-less bigger "SELF" in which the smaller "Ego" is contained. This is called centering. The 112 methods in VBT are all centering techniques. Are these unscientific? Absolutely not. A lot of work is going on into understanding these principles and the altered mental states they lead to. So what dies at death? Since "I" is not rigid that answer is suddenly not obvious. Let's just say there might be an identity inside me which death cannot touch. Quoting Carl Jung, "If the Self could be wholly experienced, it would be a limited experience, whereas in reality its experience is unlimited and endless". So the "i" that Eagleman referred to might not be the same "I" that Sadhguru is talking about. Secondly, although Sadhguru says "pieces of life" as if it is localized, he also compares these pieces to bubbles filled with the same air, the understanding being that the manifestation (bubble) is localized, the essence (air) is universal and the eventuality is the bubble being burst (liberation). Is this a load of hypothetical conjectures? Quantum physics describes "entanglement", where particles separated by eons of space-time are linked. Btw, Sadhguru never discredits science as an explorative pursuit. He only said that the goal should not be to use everything we set our eyes upon, but to fund and support the natural curiosity of man. I don't know if he wants to cheat people through the Isha foundation, but it is only common sense that as a human, my life will be enriched if I observe myself closely, and for that I don't need him personally (there's a lot of material developed throughout the history of mankind), but there might be people who do.
I couldn’t understand what sadhguru was talking about but I could easily understand the meaning of each word said by javed akhtar which is to value your own thinking and common sense. Don’t follow anyone blindly. We want more debates like these.
As an anchor, you must be neutral throughout the debate/discussion till conclusion ,this is the fundamental things and proper management should be done very carefully before organizing such type of sensitive discussion.
U r so ryt ... these are motivated..hence she concluded lyk this
Sadhguru owes no explanation to Javed or any Tom , dick and Harry. They are not in that phase , as Sadhguru puts it, of seeking to expand beyond their present point in the journey of survival.
Javed Akhtar should also answer what is the logic behind Burkha, Hijab, Sharia, Triple talak, child marriage, Polygamy, Mutah, Khatna, bro sis marriage, Taharush, and producing 10 kids, 72 hoors.
@@Leo-ki2iy He's an atheist, he doesn't support any religious activity, or rather any activity in the name of religion.
@@Leo-ki2iy Somehow you linked defending Sadhguru with Hindutva retorts ... did you really do the "Inner Engineering by Sadhguru" course properly?
Dumbest part of interview or debate was audience
I thought it was javed
@@ayushnautiyal3407 both of you are so accurate
@@doradora7813 I could even say mediator also
They Always have been and will be
Javed please don't mess with this guy, where you stop thinking - he just starts from there. Be quite
Basically no one understands, so next best thing to do is praise him
how do you know
@austin george basically this dumb person is fan of javed akhtar
@@no22sill cause he is enlighten
@@ungole6820 and what is enlightenment if i may ask
I am also here.. After 7 years.. When I have seen this video.. I got interested in to Spirituality.. Then I studied this.. Today I am researching on this from one of the most premium institutes.. All I can say.. I see there is hardly separate stand points of debating here.. As 80% time.. They are talking the same in different languages and different understanding of the same..
Wat is Sadhguru is doing here between fools
He just take a experience how to survive between theses kind of examples like Javed and also the fool audiance in kaliyug
Cause he too is a fool.
@@kumarisuman3382 hello miss einstein
@@kumarisuman3382 I think you don't understand him if yu do.. Then yu didn't say this..
@@kumarisuman3382 ja behen kahise apna dimag thik karva le
never knew javed is so impatient and shallow
Impatient and shallow ! Now that's just stupid you don't even deserve to write a comment on such insightful debate
There are many such occasions. Search in youtube if you want to see.
exactly what I thought
Gandu he gyo che ..Javed mulla
Javed Akhtar seeks attention. He's a Bollywood man.
Sadguru - Me on a regular day
Javed Akhtar - Me after watching News or consequences of Religion, Caste, Color, Creed, etc..
True..
Wonderful practical and digestiable coment
@क्षणभंगुर what if who donot want to be like satguru
Superb comment 😐 true
Ignorance to real enlightenment
When I was a kid, my parents made me follow a religion, when I was a young adult I thought I was spiritual and not religious, and now I'm an adult, I understand that I'm neither religious nor am I spiritual, I'm just rational....
above session teach us that don't make argument in the front of people's who left brain at home !!!!!!
😂😂
Haa tu to bada hoshiyar hai bhai. Haha. Jo terse agree na kre wo chutiya.
*people
If Javed akhtar was a female Guess who is the best male for her
Zakir Naik🐐
You, half knowledge is dangerous okk. They are gay couples so don't interfere in there shot pa shot life😂😂😂😂
kuch bhi
I thought k Rahul Gandhi
@@adnanadill h
Pappu
Just because someone is calm doesn't mean that they are right...sadhguru's face while javed sir was explaining his points said it all. I still don't get why people believe this con man, blind faith really is something.
Someone said the truth,looking for this comment man.
Sadhuguru is first copy of osho..with a sprinkle of hinduism (shiva) so you are not thrown out of country
I thik if some one didn't believe in God he also can't believe in humanity. Shame on fools like javed.
Faith makes you blind... That's what's make them believe this con man. Dude
@@animeway777You can say anything about Osho but one thing you can't say is that he's not original. Osho is a legend even if he was fooling people. Sadguru is just copy paste
Javed Akhtar the living legend
His views and ideology of rationality is just mind-blowing
Javed fucthar has a primitive understanding just like most audience there..let javed argue with zakir naik both suit each other.
Sorry dear ja can never think of arguing with Zakir Naik it’s possible only in Hindus as what Sadguru say Hindus are seekers and all kinds of thoughts prevail in diff kinds of cults of Hindu faith in Islam or christianity there are only commandments no arguements or u would be killed if u argue
Look at the body language of sadguruji and javed akhtar
@@hamzabutt1550 talk to me !!!!!!!! idiot!!!!!!!!!
So true.... sadhguru is way too intellectual & deep, for religious scrappers
@@vijayarora5439 are you crazy??? Zakir Naik is a " doctor", let alone a "spiritual" man. He will get doubly destroyed 😙
Farhan Akhter must be feeling bad while going thru comments!
😂😂😂😂😂True
But he doesn't go in details
@@Until_kalki That's understood when he participated in the CAA protest and when asked about CAA, he failed miserably and made fun of himself.
Wah wah javed sir "if you don't trust your mind then how will you trust your thought"
You don't always trust your thought. Do you?
even javed hasnt fully understood his mind thats why he is a moron who is speaking trash beacause it is proven in the current era by the scientist that there is a subconsious mind but rather accepting it there are fools like you who belive in javed
A thought is not always dependable or enough or both.
Then enters thought process
I am a Christian . Yes I am a BJP suppporter . they call us krisanghi in south.. No wonder Jaggi is invited in US, UN , Arab countries etc etc .. and loveday Javed in pakistan.. Shows the standard.. Aukaat mei farak.. javed lost the debate as soon as the Jaggi vasudev Opened his mouth .. just like that.. He was shown his place.. 🤣🤣Javed looked helpless like palestine and jaggi as Israel Mossad !
coming back to this years later, Kierkegaard se Camus tak ka safar tay kiya hai.
You are obsessed with only western culture and look down on Indian culture because u have a servile colonial dog mentality. U are a western bootlicker. U think u sound smart because u said Kierkegaard, u are not ur an idiot just like them. U are limited into ur thought and emotion which u have gathered from outside, there fore it is not you. Instead of being a western bootlicker next time say patanjali and abhinavacharya, Shankaracharya and Krishnamurthy. U probably don’t even know them and look down on them because ur a western bootlicker and servile colonial dog.
This is the difference between calmness and unnecessary being over the top for the sake of anything
Sake ...I think u had a mistake in typing about akthar ...the fake
@@maddey3292 i think you missed spell jaggi :))
@@humen2236 no I meant about the comment of Mr vishal shubham....instead of sake he should have typed fake....fake javed miandad ...I mean akhtar whatever
Again, that throws a different perspective... Who's calm? The one who questions the very existence of life or the one who lives it without a second thought? If Ignorance is the bliss, why is this journey towards enlightenment?
just because one is calm doesnt mean one is right, the arguments posed by his oppositions were substantial even though the person was emotionally unstable at times.
Coolest person on Earth is probably Sadhguru.
Vignesh T and the most savage😂😂
and he has gone beyond it
Bewakoof bana raha hai sadguru logon ko ... exposed by javed
Hayat Shafi jali jali, anti nationals ki jali😂😂😂😂😂
@@shashwatguha3861 Anti national to tu hai
सद्गुरू: हम इस ग्रह पर क्यों है।
जावेद: क्योंकि इस ग्रह पर मच्छर है।
सद्गुरू: हम इस ग्रह पर क्या करने आए है।
जावेद: जो मच्छर करने आए है।
एक आदमी बहुत ज्यादा पहुंचा हुआ है।😁😁😁🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Javed akthar g ka kd bona hai sadguru g ke samne
Sadguru g legend
😅😅😂😂
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
Mark Twain.
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Foolish people are not understanding thoughts a Javed akhtar 😊
My Takeaways:
Rejection of Blind Faith
Both agreed that institutionalized belief systems can become problematic when they impose restrictions or conflict with personal freedom and rationality
the idea of individual exploration and people to question and seek experiences rather than accept beliefs blindly
The idea of "Don’t believe in anything you don’t know" reflects a central theme
This discussion totally became personal, and Javed Akhtar just enjoyed the advantage of being foolishly cheered by the audience. Both are disappointing here. Vasudev Jaggi deserved to heard in a better way.
Shehzad Bhatti is these a way to conduct when you are witnessing a debate.
@Shehzad Bhatti why r u insulting javed why saying him as a thinker... Say he is a comedian.. javed says- there is no difference between mosquito and human... Result jAved is a mosquito and he is doing bhim bhin infront of legend sadhguru😀😀
I will tell you people a story. There was a 5 year old kid and a man who sold scientific calculators. You know what the kid said when he met that man "Your toys are so bad".
+What The Films Can't stop Laughing LOL
Joke is intellectual but not laughable. I thought jokes were funny!
damn!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Javed akhtar is that kid
Rohin Sharma he said it’s a story!! And u found it a intellectual one..good enough!
The face of both the people says it all
Well if you didn't guess Javed looked constipated.
Look at his hand movements. He is shaking like he is about to have seizure. Meanwhile Sadhguru is always calm. Try to find one moment where he isn't calm. You can't haha.
Venu Rao he looked like a drunk oger hahaha
Venu Rao agree with you😂
@@raz0rcarich99 It seems like you don't know Javed Akhtar much, so I'll take the liberty to explain. To begin with, his hands do shake a lot nowadays, even when he's just relaxing and chatting with friends. He's not angry or nervous, he's elderly and unwell. Secondly, if you look closely, you can see the annoyance in sadhguru's eyes. The fact that he doesn't actually express what he feels in itself goes to show that he can lie to you with a straight face and you'd never realize it. Javed Akhtar is naturally of an excitable disposition. That doesn't prove his theory incorrect.
A Muslim Atheist/Rationalist vs a Hindu Hi-Tec Guru..
When I was 26, I was on Sadhguru's side... Now I am 34, Javed makes way more sense.
Javed took some guru seriously he stop using his mind 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Lol repeating sadhgurus joke so clever ! HAHAHAHAHA
Jaggu on weed.....zombies follow....
by the way wife left for mahasamadhi.....says dingi....
Body was cremated against customs of burial and father in law was not allowed even see his daughter body....
Post motem would have revealed the truth....so body cremated.....
@@timurkumar6149 cry baby
@@ARYAN-jn4dk Weed baby...
@@timurkumar6149 Logical person always win Marxist like you always complain
Actually, Javed Akhtar is nothing more than a fool. He was trying to dominate debate with his foolishness and result is in front of all. Javed's face was full of arrogance and he was shivering when Sadguru was responding. Javed is nothing more than a small actor, nothing related to enlightenment.
Yogesh Sharma true... he was shaking as an empty vessel sound much
I realize kapil sharma's audience sitting in this conversation.. 😂
Hahaha
Agree. most brain dead drunk audience it seems..
I'm happy they didn't randomly get up and said they wanted to dance with either of them and then show the weirdest dance step ever invented.
@@Yoursanniemannie WTF are you on about? 😂
@@jaydutta7711 😂😂 well meth is illegal, so I do math
Doesn't matter who won. Sadhguru, Osho, JD Krishnamurthy, Swami Vivekananda, Eckart Tolle, Alan Watts, Srila Prabhupada they all teach the same thing which is beyond our thinking mind. They had helped me find peace within myself. I love every spiritual teachers of India
Swami vivekanand doesnot include in this list you have listed. Don't use swami vivekanand name carelessly.