The moment they require me to pay (AGAIN) for what I already paid for, I am gone. I can understand not being able to use newer features, but the apps I used before this switch either stay functional, or the app gets deleted.
And what is worse you are paying for people who are not INDIE filmmakers, you are paying because people teaching or making news are using their app AND PROGRAMMING FOR THEM not for being CINE fimmakers. bye Filmic, bye. I bought the whole set on Dec' 21, less of a year, That is a fraud.
@@gareths9574 the point is, To now decide to charge me $5.99 a week ($311.48 a year) when I already paid for what was advertised as full access to the app is immoral at best. I can understand not allowing me access to new features added after the subscription wall started, but to act like the lump sum I already paid for the app is just forfeit because they want more money is bullshit.
Defenitly, i think there should be a law in place that allowes you to get your money back if a company switches to subscription even for users that already bought the app.
I purchased Filmic Pro and all the extras. For them to pull the carpet out from under people like me just wouldn’t be fair. I am a hobbyist filmmaker and make no money what so ever. I am also disabled and on a limited income so a subscription, especially at the prices FilmicPro is charging, is out of the question. I subscribe to very little because it starts to add up fast. In most cases, if I can’t pay one price, and own it forever, I’m not interested. If they force current users to the subscription, I’m out. I simply can’t afford it, no matter how good the product is.
I will 100% delete the app and trash the reviews if this ends up being the case. I purchased a one time purchase, which is assumed by basically everyone to be permanent access.
Their silence and lack of transparency currently is not doing them any favours this week. I know they are only testing this model, but it’s not looking good Blake. They could also do with explaining the Bending Spoons relationship so that customers know where they stand.
That really angered me. There was ZERO indication that an update would basically deactivate the app until you subscribed - even if you bought it previously. Very conniving, and very low. I've lost all respect for Filmic Pro, and I'm not even sure I'd go back to them even if they ditched the subscriptions.
Like most comments, I am against ANY subscription model. Period. If they need to make more revenue, then charge more for the app. I stopped using Premiere when they went subscription, and I stopped using my slate app when they went subscription. When companies try to charge people twice for something they already paid for, it is a mistake and they will loose users. Everyone looks at Adobe and thinks they can follow that model, but they can't. Adobe only gets away with it because they have Photoshop and After Effects along with Premiere. Filmic Pro is good, but not good enough where a competitor can come in and grab their market share. Example for Premiere is Davinci Resolve. It will be the end of Filmic Pro. Just make the app $50 for new users.
As someone who bought FilmicPro and all its add-ons, it’s obvious I think they have a great product. To be frank, it was underpriced for what it did, especially when compared to other premium video apps such as LumaFusion. I would have paid twice what they asked as a one-off, all-in payment. But trying to corral me and everyone else into a subscription model that costs as much as a Premiere Pro subscription for a PC simply doesn’t fly. It looks like a bad miscalculation. The main problem Bending Spoons and Filmic Pro face with this idea is that they no longer have a unique product on the market that can demand a premium price. Now it is possible to do just about everything Filmic Pro does with other apps out there. More pertinent though is that Apple is bound to encroach on its market. By bringing ProRes to its iPhones and constantly improving Cinematic mode, Apple is laying down flags that it wants pro video capability on its phones. Logically, that means offering pro functions(like Sony’s phones) that will obviate the need for Filmic Pro. If iOS is upgraded to allow white balance settings, manual focus with peaking, control over shutter and ISO, and couples all that to workable Cinematic mode, then FIlmic Pro will become largely redundant. Imposing a stratospherically expensive subscription as the world dips into recession and as Apple ups its offering will kill Filmic Pro’s reputation as a company deserving of budding filmmakers’ attention. A shame for an app that made films such as ‘Tangerine’ possible. But one only has to think of GPS units before Google Maps, or photo editing software before Apple improved its own, to see the likely direction of travel. A real shame.
I couldn’t have summed this up better. Apple and Android smartphone manufacturers could completely pull the rug from under companies such as FiLMiC Pro by enhancing their current camera software to match or exceed FiLMIC’s capabilities right out of the box. Of course, this wouldn’t be ‘free’ as you still have to buy the phone but, once you’ve bought it, using the camera with such enhanced, professional settings would not carry a ridiculously expensive weekly subscription. It sounds odd to say but I take into account any future phone purchase based on its camera capabilities, rather than how well it handles calls to my mother. Incorporating the essence of FiLMIC Pro’s capabilities within the regular phone app would sway me to upgrade to the next pro model.
I’m a casual filmmaker. I bought and paid for the app and the flat profile add-ons. I’ve gotten to use the app MAYBE four times over the past 5-6 years. If I was getting to go out and create on a regular basis, I could justify a low-cost subscription ($3-5/month). But I don’t. They should definitely have some kind of free version to at least get learning filmmakers onboard with the app.
Maybe it’s time we see other pro apps emerging into the fray. Moment app is also good and I think it can fill the gap. With the betterment of smart phones in terms of cameras and censors, FilmicPro is seeing an opportunity beyond today so I don’t blame them. It’s business. But I’m totally against the app subscription model.
I’m already switching to another camera APP. And guess what, what I found was very pleasing! Other smaller developers have been quietly listening to the users and the products they are coming up with are improvements over FilmicPro. I’m a film teacher and I would never ask my 25-30 high schoolers to become trapped into subscriptions. Just isn’t cool. Free market competition is what has always driven product improvement and we may be seeing this happen with this product.
Not wanting my students to have to pay subscriptions led me away from FilmicPro and in my research I found what might become a much better APP: MoviePro The application has a one time purchase of approx. $7.99, version 8.3. The application has been around for a few years and is very much like the other, with lots of items that are easier to use and others that are under improvement. The developer is very responsive to questions and suggestions. Give it a try and after a few days you quickly start to adapt and don’t have to pay a ridiculous subscription.
That's why Blackmagic Design needs to make a camera app. They just kill it when it comes to price/performance. In the meantime, maybe I'll pick up a Sony Xperia phone? I hear their native camera app has a lot of professional features just like their mirrorless cameras.
I disagree that BMD "needs" to make a camera app. Maybe for controlling their cameras, but, not as a standalone camera app. It would cut into their camera sales because a lot of people are downright lazy and would go the app way because it's easier. Despite the loss of features that come with such an app.
Lots of great comments here... Thanks for the feedback and for watching! I mentioned to some of the Filmic guys that they should read these as it's almost like a focus group for them. We should know more in the next few weeks. -BC UPDATE: Filmic Pro has CONFIRMED they were acquired by Bending Spoons and they are moving to a subscription model with Version 7 of their app. ALSO, the spam bots have hit this thread so ignore the fake reply comments from Telegram that are supposed to look like it's from this channel. THEY ARE NOT. Have marked them as spam and manually removed most. Fun stuff. Ugh.
Thanks, Blake. I think of watching all the wonderful videos you created for years now on how to best use this app, and all the time we spent watching them and learning, and at least for me now it was all for nothing as I won't be using this app. Last comment for now. As you mentioned Blake, FP should realize not everyone who's using this is a professional who uses it regularly and makes money off of its use. And another thing to think about FP is perhaps you've decided to just cut off people who've paid their hard-earned money for this as they wouldn't be spending more money anyway. So perhaps in your eyes, that's not a problem. But it is. You sold this to us with the understanding this purchase was a one-time payment. If you just dump us now in that way this creates extremely bad karma for you. Don't doubt it. I'll let this go for now and check in later. It's been too upsetting. I'll focus on more positive things.
Nah I already paid for FilmicPro once. If they switch me to a subscription I will cancel and delete the app. There will always be another app that can do the same thing.
Deleting if I have to subscribe. I purchased it expecting that was for life, but typically I've seen companies that switch like that just create a new version and make it a separate app from the original; then stop supporting the original. I fully believe in developers getting paid for their work, but I just cannot afford to rent everything especially since at this point I am not making any money and Apple's native apps are good enough for my needs push came to shove.
That’s my thoughts, if they price me out of using it. I am making a little money. But not a ton. Certainly not enough for them to be getting a cut of it every month or year.
I can no longer use the app without accepting a new terms of service that includes a subscription fee requirement. Is there an alternative free app with DoubleTake’s features?
Oh well, Goodbye Filmic Pro. I'm not subscribing to this app. They don't update it enough IMO to justify a subscription model... and the app damn sure ain't worth $5 per week. They've lost their freaking minds. I really do miss the old days when success relied on a good business plan with sound financials. Nowadays, too many companies offset their insufficiencies (via subscription models) at the expense of consumers.
They have been spending money programming for teachers, journalists, etc. in the fiesta of Adobe (Frame io) and now we are paying that fiesta. I'm an android user and I'm also paying the Apple fiesta. Android has less features.
I’ll go back to my DSLR if that’s going to be the case. I don’t pay for software that requires monthly subscription. I only believe in paying for it once and it’s mine forever. I would only pay again if there’s a new version of it, but subscription, never.
I'm wondering if the terms of the agreement when I bought Filmic Pro 7 years ago covers them from litigation for requiring me to pay more for the app. A class action suit might make them reconsider a subscription model.
I bought it both for Android and iOS. So I already paid twice for the same product. The moment they will ask another penny from me, I am out. 4,99 per week is an insane price, anyway. I can understand a "please help us" subscription, but not a "we'll rip you pockets" model. If they ask for more money from me, even I will be surprised how fast I will forget about FilmicPro. Me and all my buddies.
I JUST finished writing an entire 8 part module focused on specifically using Filmic Pro for my cooking content creator course and when I found this out I completely lost it.
Thanks for the video, Blake. After using many of Adobe's software apps, I stopped using them when they decided to go with a subscription service. I will do the same with Filmic Pro. Blackmagic gives away their DaVinci Resolve Studio with their cameras, and updates are free for years. They are the companies I stay with.
I bought the DaVinci Resolve Studio as a stand-alone purchase and it's amazing value for money. ...I did then buy other BMD kit including the brilliant micro panel, so the inexpensive software bait worked for me
filmic pro's new terms of service begin september 15th. the purchase plans already show weekly plans. it looks like all this crashes down mid-september. it might be time for something to arise to take its place. pay once model is far less stressful . perpetuating costs always feel like something is leaking out of your savings no matter the price, even if it is one dollar. that adds up over time. constant charges suck. that is not right and there should be pay once options and choices.
Thanks! I have FP on my iPhone 13 but never use it because it's notoriously unreliable. I would never pay for a subscription to FP. As a rule, the native camera app on your phone is the best camera app to use, because it's simple and reliable. It's specifically designed this way to reduce creative friction and help people to actually do something. FP teaches filmmakers bad habits because it places the focus on gear and production value, rather than story and character and doing.
It would be nice if Apple would improve the native camera app though. You currently can’t lock focus or exposure or white balance independently. That’s a huge problem. So it really doesn’t work for anything other than social media or home movies. The bit rate is too low too (unless using ProRes). So the point is, even if we don’t use FiLMiC Pro I highly suggest using a third-party app.
@@iphoneographers Still shocked Apple doesn't allow these simple features, even if only on Pro Max. If they did this plus enable anamorphic lenses we'd all be satisfied. Seems the iphone 14 models won't have any of this stuff either. Really cannot fathom the oversight of allowing us to shoot 24fps soon but not to lock exposure wtf?!
One reason I don’t like subscription models is because they are always too expensive… like in one year alone you will spend more than the more expensive single payment apps. And most of those apps are probably for things that aren’t needed for everyday but once in a while.
I own it, I barely use it. But when I reach for it I like what it does. But if I have to keep paying for it again and again I’m gone. I mostly shoot on DSLR cameras so I guess my workflow won’t change too much.
Once of the good things with the “free market economy” is that customers/clients have the choice to go elsewhere when the cost of a service becomes prohibitive, and when this happens we usually see the emergence of a new platform substituting the “Old Guard”. Darwin’s principles come to mind - survival of the fittest etc. FiLMic Pro is not Adobe no matter how relevant it believes it is, it will never be in the same league. So my warning to FiLMic Pro is be careful what you wish for and don’t be greedy there’s always a new kid on the block that will be ready to replace you. I love FiLMic Pro I’ve been using it for years but I’m not afraid of change or moving to something new. There will be something else within a short space of time, if not already!
This is a pure hijack from me buying this years ago before all this subscription crap.. corporate America got everything and poor people like myself now can’t use many apps due to the subscription bullcrap life is hard and the little people get jerked around hard and to open up this app and see I can’t use it freely no more Now I have to realease it and say at least I enjoy the free years of this app and me and 100s of my friend is having funeral arrangements for this app and deleting from my phone plus with the iPhone 14 filmic pro is truly no longer needed happy I brought this app years ago and sad that me and all my friends are saying goodbye 🎉
I’m not against subscription apps and I use some on my MacBook, iPhone and iPad. The ones I subscribe to are used often and they are beneficial to me. Would I subscribe to FilMic Pro? Yes, if the price was reasonable. If I had to pay more than $100 Canadian a year I might question the value. Maybe a question people should ask is, “Compared to my NetFlix, Disney+, etc., subscriptions, where would the FilMic Pro subscription fit in?”
If they go to a subscription model they’re history. I dropped everything Adobe as soon as they changed to subscriptions. Now I use the Affinity suite and FCPX.
I have to say this was awful news for me to. I am new to filmaking and have I spent the last 3 months getting my gear together and preparing for a documentary project. Filmic Pro was by far my best option for many reasons and I spent several hours studying it, watching channels like this and many others. I planned to purchase it as soon as I arrived in location, but when I went to the app store to do it, just a few days ago, I couldn't really understand what was going on. There was no information available anywhere, and I thought for some reason me being in a remote 3rd world country could be causing this "issue" with the pricing and subscribing plan. But no, I was just a few days late! It felt like a punch in the gut. Very unprofessional of Filmic Pro not to advertise this in advance, or actually go slow into the subscription mode by having more reasonable prices at the begging, etc. I guess they just don't really care about the user base and are just expecting to keep the business as profitable as possible. Nothing new. Anyways, I missed the FP train, happy for those who managed to purchase earlier and enjoyed the ride! I am really looking forward to the next app that can fill this gap!
Same here. I invested many weeks learning the ins and outs of Filmic Pro, and now I'll have to learn something else, because I refuse to be part of subscription models. They are a con.
I am against all subscription based applications. I have no problem with purchasing an app outright and paying for significant updates but not by subscription. When they offered Ciné-Kit, Lut packs and apps like Filmic Remote I bought them no problem because there was a value added. Paying a subscription just because they want more money holds no value for me. If every developer goes subscription based there will be a point when you can no longer afford to keep them all. If Filmic is having financial problems they are really going to have problems when they start losing customers that are hobbyists, which I suspect are the majority of their users. I stopped using all Adobe products when they went subscription based. Many people dropped Avid when they stopped providing perpetual licenses. If Filmic goes subscription based only or offers advanced features to subscribers, I will have to find another. No one pays me for development. They pay for the end result.
I’ve always thought of FilmicPro as brilliant and have admired it - but from the sidelines. If I had a more recent phone and (most important) the motivation, I could justify a modest annual subscription fee. But for now…I paid for it, have it, but don’t have that much use for it. I’d rather watch you use it. So add me to the list of those who would vanish when presented with a subscription invoice.
I don’t own filmic pro yet, but I have been wanting to buy it for a while. I have heard so many great things about it. But if it becomes a subscription model, it loses so much of its value as a upgrade from the stock photo app. If I need it’s capabilities, I would pay for it while I needed it. But It would bother me every time I opened it. It will create a passive or subconscious negative opinion towards the brand even if it’s not actually being greedy. It just feel’s like how every other app and micros transactions are all trying to steal a slice of the pie through anti consumer tactics.
I adopted to this app and I can easily adopt to another one. FilmicPro has some really disadvantages like the small exposure setting numbers which I cannot read on the display (too small) or that the settings constantly change from sequence to sequence. I am not against paying for an app on a yearly basis when the price is right. I think 30 Euro / year is my max and the rise over the years must be moderate.
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Dang... I was an early adopter. I use it. Did in App purchases. It was a great deal and it was (is) a great bargain, but if they force me to the subscription model, I'm gone and the app will be deleted. I'll find another way to get my work done. I totally get it, every company needs to make a buck, but again we see this so much now days, little company comes out with a great product, creates a loyal audience, promises are made, little company gets taken over by bigger company and all the rules change and the old promises no longer exist. Maybe this dates me, but the subscription model simply doesn't work for me. But, it will probably win in the end, but they're going to have to wait a while... I'm a boomer, and I'm not dead yet.
Good to hear your thoughts Blake. Agreed. A smallish yearly fee sounds a lot more doable if it keeps the company in business. For people who have it already should keep their copy still of course which is likely.
A yearly fee of any kind is no good. Why would you keep paying for something that you have already paid for. There is no incentive for them to further develop their product if they have free money coming in on a weekly, monthly or yearly basis. There is no value in it for you as the consumer.
I might be out. MoviePro also works pretty well for what I use it for (records at a better quality than the Apple app, has clean HDMI out and a remote app). Now... if FiLMiC were to add Remote Pan and Tilt (with the phone mounted to a DJI OM 4) I might be back in depending on price.
I paid for it and I use it. I’ve bought all their in app purchases. I will never bye a subscription. They Beauregard’s look around because there are free (and good)replacements available. It looks like the original folks took their money and ran.
Sooner or later Apple will update iMovie App or maybe a Final Cut Lite app and it will have all of Filmic Pro’s features. Or another company like Moment will update their app. Filmic Pro employees will be looking for a job in about a year if subscription plan is their roadmap
Besides the fact, that in many regions of the world it would be illegal to suddenly simply charge for something basically already bought and paid for…NO! I have the app for a couple years now, but if I’d have to pay a subscription, in addition to the down comings phones have when compared to regular cameras (battery life, overheating & visibility in hot sunny conditions, etc.), I’d simply stop using it altogether and/or use something else.
That sucks...I have the app and used it occasionally but not making any money from the use of the app so a subscription base model doesn't work for me and will sadly discontinued future usage.
As a teacher of new filmmakers I'd say I've recommended filmic to every student I've come across as the first investment they should make into their career. Subscription would be a huge no go! $1.99 a month maybe?! But still Moment camera app for $7 is comparative to filmic pro and would easily be my new recommendation over filmic pro if it became subscription base
I've been using Cinema P3 which is quite decent, and I've heard that MoviePro is good too. There are options, but that doesn't make the betrayal by FP any less hard to swallow.
I’m sorry to hear that. I’m against the subscription model in principle also for pros. This is the reason why I purchased DaVinci Studio licence and quit Adobe. I’m not a casual/hobbist user I use the app regularly and constantly but I don’t make money out of it. I’m an audiovisual artist whose projects are not for the market. Why should I pay for a subscription? I hope they will change their mind.
I was ready to buy the app last week after watching your videos. Then I saw it was a subscription and it was too expensive to just try at the weekly price. I’m not unwilling to pay for a subscription but they’re charging too much right now.
I think if you already use Filmic Pro (like you and I) we should be grandfathered in. Now whatever features they add if they want us to stick around it should be a monthly preferably annual
I was just thinking about this more as some of my students use this app for class content. Filmic Pro will definitely loose them. And I can see Apple jumping on this immediately. I can see Apple adding a Filmic Pro type app that works with their Pro model phones. FP just opened the door for others to jump in and grab market share.
I was going to tell you about this. Another guy I follow posted a video and mentioned he loaded it on his girlfriend's phone and it was asking $2.99 A WEEK! to subscribe! Now I see you mentioned $4.99 a WEEK which is even more absurd! Not going to happen. If they think that will fly they're living in a fantasy world. Maybe $10 a year for new people might work. They don't understand evidently not everyone uses this every day.
I hope their prosumer market keeps them alive. As a hobbyist who has owned the app since day 2, and purchased the upgrade, I feel that it has been an exceptional value. I would even re-purchase a newer version, but the last thing I need is another monthly, or… are they insane with weekly?, bill in my life. Blake, you are doing your best to be a good ambassador, but I’d even have to say no to $3 a month. With that said, if I was actually making money using this tool I would tell them to shut up and take my $30/yr. I can get by with a lesser app that has some basic manual control but I’d still recommend Filmic to anyone who is trying get the most out their phones camera capabilities.
All it will take is phone updates to incorporate more manual features and filmic is done anyway. I only use the app for control on white balance. Once iPhone gives us that control there’s no way I’ll be paying a filmic subscription.
I hate subscriptions. I'd rather dump the software rather than pay a subscription. I'd rather pay to upgrade my software if I saw that there were important and useful updates. That way I would know if the cost was worth it. If a company like Filmic Pro did move into subscriptions, I'd hope that the basic software would be free and that you would pay for advanced features on a subscription basis. Right now advanced features cost more, but moving those to a subscription approach might be palatable if those features were important. Also, as a retired university professor, I can tell you that students will not be able to pay on a subscription basis. If Filmic Pro goes the subscription route, it will lose students who in the future might become potential professional users of their software. Please, Filmic Pro, don't do it!
I purchased FilmicPro a long time ago. I've bought it for both Android and iPhone. If they make me pay a subscription for any of it, I'm out. 100%. I hate subscription models for stuff like that. I used to be a Premiere editor, and while I still use it occasionally because I get Adobe free from my work, I have switched to primarily using Resolve, and occasionally FCPX. I hate subscriptions.
Asking as somebody in post production, does anyone actually use their iPhone with Filmic Pro for client work, beyond a last-case-scenario B-camera? At least enough that it would be worth paying for as an ongoing subscription?
It’s used quite a bit for corporate and social media work in particular, but whether or not another app couldn’t just fill those shoes is a subjective question.
At best it could be a Halide situation where they went subscription model before being a one time purchase. At least they supported the app the paid users bought for years before dropping support for the app and making users pay monthly. At worst, we are looking at another Adobe. If push comes to shove I will use Moment on iOS and get a Sony for their video apps
Speaking of Adobe. I bought Affinity Designer, Photo and Publisher to do away with Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign and I use those apps for my business. Subscription fatigue is a real thing and it sucks, big time!!!
The only reason why i purchased Filmic is because of the import problems i had with iphone-movies into premiere pro (sync problem). Filmic did not have that problem and saved me the hassle of converting all my movies. So if there is a other app that does this, or if the problem gets fixed by apple or adobe, then filmic goes out (if it goes to a subscription)
I have used, appreciated, and enjoyed FiLMiC Pro for several years. We have it on 7 different phones at work, and I have it on my personal iPhone. We use it because it has consistently been the best video app for smartphone use. I've encouraged untold others to purchase and use FiLMiC Pro over the years. I don't like the thought of moving from a one-time payment to a subscription plan, but if it is a reasonable fee and it provides for ongoing support and improvements, I'd bite the bullet and pay. $30 a year I could stomach; $4.99 a week is absurd! I have the same feeling about Adobe Creative Cloud. Work pays for Adobe, so I use Premiere Pro, Photoshop, etc. at work. But I can't justify Adobe's subscription prices for home, so I've moved on to the likes of DaVinci Resolve, LumaFusion, and Photopea for my personal use.
subscription model is not worth it for many Apps. subscription models only are viable when you are no more creative or innovative but want to keep a large bloated team. However, there are new services, that require supporting underlying resources, then perhaps so. I think they might add new capabilities such as sounds, luts, other other iage and sound algo's... that are really good, but let's see. The beauty of all these subscription drive is that open source is also gaining ground into the app space...
I bought it and all the extras and used it with my iPhone 11pro & 12pro quite a bit for smaller projects and it was nice having that control over the camera in the iphone, but I would not pay ANY amount for a subscription (if they switch to that model). That is why I don't use Adobe for editing. I prefer purchasing software once and then being able to use it vs. feeling like I'm getting drained financially from here on out. Would be interesting if a company like Black Magic Design made a phone/camera app for a one time purchase to try to bring in all phone videographers into that eco-system since Davinci Resolve and Black Magic Cameras are so affordable and so good.
I inadvertently upgraded to the "New" Filmic Pro". (Long time user of the original version) I can't get my videos off the phone without the paid versions and do not even know where the files went? The subscription model is complete BS. I am Furious about the footage trapped on my phone.
Need to cover for the app development? Just charge for the upgrades. So you will also have a feedback from the community - what features are really needed and what features are not as appealing as supposed to be. As for the app updates. Bug fixing is something any responsible developper should do. The customers are paying good real money expecting to receive good, functional software. I am a student in cinematography. I am using Filmic Pro from time to time, but not very often. I bought it because is a tool that can be used occasionally, when I do not have my MFT camera with me. So, paying a subscription fee for a nice to have app makes no sense in my case. The money could be invested in other professional tools that can produce money and pay for themselves.
I also blame Apple for not having a way for developers to charge for an optional upgrade to a new version. Filmic Pro is amazing and I love it, but will probably not support a subscription model.
@@alexandruciochia8513 At one time, Filmic Pro came out with Filmic Pro 2... a separately purchased app. That might be option to sell/develop new versions. The user can decide whether to buy the new version or remain on the old version.
@@JohnChu Hmmm… I remember buying it :) You’re right. On the other hand, any software developper has to consider updating it’s apps for the newest … iOS versions… and for the new hardware. So, they have to work only for keeping the app functional, without adding any new features. That could be the dark side of app development :)
The reason I originally purchased Filmic Pro was the fact that it provided visual audio level indicators, along with audio input level controls. There are many other features, but that was the giant one. For some reason, Apple, which created Quicktime all those years ago (and included audio level indicators), does not let you see your audio levels when recording in the Camera app. This would be a great time for Apple to fix that, as I do NOT want to be paying for a Filmic subscription model.
For people who have the app no subscription and because we bought it we supported you and you should keep supporting us. If you want to charge a reoccurring fee for new owners then do what you have to do but leave current owners out of this decision.
I've already started running down my use of the iPhone as a capture device in anticipation that the legacy app will wither and die and that there won't be a replacement. So even if they switch back to a non-sub model, they will likely have lost me as a customer by then. If I find that I'm missing using the phone, then I might go to the iPhone 14 Pro Max, as I could do with an iPhone upgrade soon, and try that without Filmic.
New customers sure :( it sucks, but, If they make me pay anything after I already own it? I am sure that has to be illegal. It said nothing about later having to pay more.
The questions should come from us to filmic pro, like what will they offer the user that would make the subscription worth it. what's in it for us to pay an insane amount of money for something that was a one and done payment
I hope they don’t forget the original users who bought the app. If they kick us out it would be a deceptive move. I bought the apps and the the upgrades and love them but I bought them knowing that it was a one time purchase. I would hate to be lied to. That would be a very Facebook move if they did that. I hope the don’t abandon the early adopters.
I use Filmic Pro but often take the footage and import it into a more 'capable' video editing software, so subscription model does not work for me. One time payment is ok for the level of use it can give me, move to subscription and I will ditch it straight away out of principle even though I have already paid for it.
Paid for Filmic Pro and Filmic Remote, now after one update I'm locked out of many features. Feel totally betrayed. It'd be different if they were offering a new version of the app with a subscription model, and a Legacy one one which could be purchased outright, but they just replaced everything with the sub model while offering nothing to loyal customers. Needless to say, both apps got instantly binned. I'm now using Cinema P3, which isn't quite as good (yet) but it gives the same basic functionality, and that's all I need.
I signed up for 7.0 but they did not offer proposed pricing. I wouldn't mind paying $5 a month but much more and I suspect I'll be looking for another app. Filmic Pro adds somewhat to my presentations and while I see the difference, I'm betting my TH-cam subscribers would not.
Just switched from adndroid to ios. And as a regular user of Filmic Pro on old device. Wanted to double dip... and yeah not a pleasant surprise. Pro Camera by Moment it is then. Was nice while it lasted tho.
If they do go to a subscription model I’m not in. I really like that it works with Bluetooth but I do have wireless mics so it’s no longer necessary but it is nice.
It's not just a matter of subscription-based since I already paid 30 bucks just to get the app. But I feel the app has lost a lot of quality too. I've been experiencing a lot of glitches and crashes color reproduction has been inaccurate. And support seems to be lacking now as well.
This sucks! I upgraded to v7 and now I can't even use it. DO NOT UPGRADE V6.x There doesn't seem to be any way to downgrade. I paid for this and now it's useless!
@@iphoneographers Yeah, I wrote to Filmic and they actually answered and told me about "Filmic Legacy." I spent the day cussing because I wanted to shoot a video and couldn't but now I've got v6 back.
I totally agree with you, the prescription model will mostly hurt the hobbyists. Maybe a possible solution would be to have a “filmic pro pro” with a subscription model and “free” updates for professional users, and a “filmic pro basic” for a one time purchase with optional in app purchases/updates for non-commercial use. Love your work, as always!
I just found out today that I without the subscription I can't even access my video recordings. Frankly that is horse crap. I can understand using a subscription model to fund future development and extra features but to make it so that the casual user can't even access their videos in their device outside of the app is way too much control for a developer to have over my device. My data is my data. I refuse to pay someone else to access it via a file browser. So...I finally deleted the app that I was so happy with for so long. Time to find something new.
Yeah unfortunately I just recently got into using my phone to film videos. I downloaded the app to step up my iPhone 12 Pro Max camera features and saw it was a subscription app so I’ve been hesitant about giving them my money.
No subscription models for me at all. If they move to that model, I’m definitely looking for another alternative, even if it doesn’t give me as many features!
Adding yet one more “subscription” fee to my existing and necessary assets (music library, video repository etc) would feel like a swift kick to the unmentionable. I use and love FilmicPro. I’ve used it MOSTLY in b-cam or “I forgot to get this pick up shot” instances. But I have used it in a pinch to shoot an entire piece when having to travel and using FMP was easier (without losing quality) than hauling my gear. I don’t know, I’d have to think long and hard whether an additional automatic payment to my company credit card was worth it for FilmicPro regardless of whether it was 30 bucks or 100 or more. Weekly? NFW. That would be buh-bye.
As you rightly said, it should not affect us who already bought the app once. If future consumers will be ready to pay for the subrscrption, that will be their choice and we will all be happy.
I just opened the app, which I haven't in some time, to see what would happen. And if you open it you are immediately confronted with a screen stating "Hi there!" We're updating our Terms of Service." And saying we have until September 15, 2022, to accept the new terms of service. "If you don't agree to the new terms you'll need to stop using the app before that date." So naturally, I went to check out the new Terms of Service which BTW are from Splice Video Editor S.r.l.& Bending Spoons S.p.A.. The new Terms of Service went on and on. Seems like you'd pretty much need to have passed the bar exam to understand them. Plus, and this is the big plus, to find out how long the new terms were I copied and pasted them into Microsoft Word. The total number of words in the new Terms of Service is........................ 13,165!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13,165!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 30 pages long in Microsoft Word! To use a small app on your phone!!!!!!!!! This is one of those instances where you'd love to be there with the person or people who have created this, Bending Spoons S.p.A., and just say to them, "What's wrong with you?!! Your greed is clearly making it impossible to clearly understand your customer's use of this app!!!" These are the type of totally out-of-touch people we are forced to deal with in our lives these days. Sad, sad, sad. So will we be able to just use the app and added accessories and skip any future updates? If not this will be an instance of spending our hard-earned money they've basically stolen now, with no concern for their customers, and we'll be forced to delete the app. If you disregard how this affects your previous customers and are driven by greed, and horrible business practices, and rip us off, I believe your business will struggle greatly going forward.
I am 100% against paying a subscription model for any app, they can't be forcing users in my opin it needs to be a choice. Too many app devs are trying to make users pay for a monthly sub not cool ... like most I purchased some time ago and Bending Spoons needs to listen to its users and not force a sub. This is not a service like Electrical or Netflix when are these companies going to get that most of us want a one time purchase and some upgrades, but no Monthly or Yearly. If they pull this crap I want the money I spent to buy it back. Most users should let them know we don't want that and if they don't listen then I do think its the end of them. I saw splice changed and I will not sub to use it, too bad as it was good as a FREE app and one might buy something like it as a one time FEE but subs on any app no way. I say everyone needs to voice there opin to the CEO maybe then they will see its not a good idea. An app is not and should never be a Monthly or Yearly service period. I am really beginning to despise all these companies that are forcing a sub. Some have tried and failed due to public backlash on social media and had to revert back and that's what should happen here if they try and push that. That is my two cents.
How do you install the paid for version later if you had to replace your phone or reset your phone on android? I bought all their apps and in-app purchases.
Numbing!! Filmic was never even a second thought when it came to pro level control on a smartphone, especially as the iPhone 14 Pro continues to push into mirrorless and cinema camera quality. I have no idea what other app can keep pace with the always improving smartphone camera systems as well as gimbals. What’s the competing app that’s a one time purchase that will dethrone Filmic?
The moment they require me to pay (AGAIN) for what I already paid for, I am gone. I can understand not being able to use newer features, but the apps I used before this switch either stay functional, or the app gets deleted.
And what is worse you are paying for people who are not INDIE filmmakers, you are paying because people teaching or making news are using their app AND PROGRAMMING FOR THEM not for being CINE fimmakers. bye Filmic, bye. I bought the whole set on Dec' 21, less of a year, That is a fraud.
@@SabrinaVideo fraud? The app is not expensive just a few quid..lol
@@gareths9574 the point is, To now decide to charge me $5.99 a week ($311.48 a year) when I already paid for what was advertised as full access to the app is immoral at best. I can understand not allowing me access to new features added after the subscription wall started, but to act like the lump sum I already paid for the app is just forfeit because they want more money is bullshit.
SAME
Defenitly, i think there should be a law in place that allowes you to get your money back if a company switches to subscription even for users that already bought the app.
I purchased Filmic Pro and all the extras. For them to pull the carpet out from under people like me just wouldn’t be fair. I am a hobbyist filmmaker and make no money what so ever. I am also disabled and on a limited income so a subscription, especially at the prices FilmicPro is charging, is out of the question. I subscribe to very little because it starts to add up fast. In most cases, if I can’t pay one price, and own it forever, I’m not interested. If they force current users to the subscription, I’m out. I simply can’t afford it, no matter how good the product is.
In the exact same situation as you. Could have posted your same post myself.
same
Same, bought the main App, the Remote for my iPad and the add-ons.
I'd feel cheated if I suddenly have to pay to use them.
I will 100% delete the app and trash the reviews if this ends up being the case. I purchased a one time purchase, which is assumed by basically everyone to be permanent access.
Same
Their silence and lack of transparency currently is not doing them any favours this week. I know they are only testing this model, but it’s not looking good Blake.
They could also do with explaining the Bending Spoons relationship so that customers know where they stand.
Agreed!
That really angered me. There was ZERO indication that an update would basically deactivate the app until you subscribed - even if you bought it previously.
Very conniving, and very low. I've lost all respect for Filmic Pro, and I'm not even sure I'd go back to them even if they ditched the subscriptions.
FYI, you can revert back to V6 and keep it without subscribing. Odd that there was no notification though.
Like most comments, I am against ANY subscription model. Period. If they need to make more revenue, then charge more for the app. I stopped using Premiere when they went subscription, and I stopped using my slate app when they went subscription. When companies try to charge people twice for something they already paid for, it is a mistake and they will loose users. Everyone looks at Adobe and thinks they can follow that model, but they can't. Adobe only gets away with it because they have Photoshop and After Effects along with Premiere.
Filmic Pro is good, but not good enough where a competitor can come in and grab their market share. Example for Premiere is Davinci Resolve.
It will be the end of Filmic Pro. Just make the app $50 for new users.
Same here.
There's also Edius Pro as pro editing app (not on smartphone though).
As someone who bought FilmicPro and all its add-ons, it’s obvious I think they have a great product. To be frank, it was underpriced for what it did, especially when compared to other premium video apps such as LumaFusion. I would have paid twice what they asked as a one-off, all-in payment.
But trying to corral me and everyone else into a subscription model that costs as much as a Premiere Pro subscription for a PC simply doesn’t fly. It looks like a bad miscalculation.
The main problem Bending Spoons and Filmic Pro face with this idea is that they no longer have a unique product on the market that can demand a premium price. Now it is possible to do just about everything Filmic Pro does with other apps out there. More pertinent though is that Apple is bound to encroach on its market. By bringing ProRes to its iPhones and constantly improving Cinematic mode, Apple is laying down flags that it wants pro video capability on its phones. Logically, that means offering pro functions(like Sony’s phones) that will obviate the need for Filmic Pro. If iOS is upgraded to allow white balance settings, manual focus with peaking, control over shutter and ISO, and couples all that to workable Cinematic mode, then FIlmic Pro will become largely redundant. Imposing a stratospherically expensive subscription as the world dips into recession and as Apple ups its offering will kill Filmic Pro’s reputation as a company deserving of budding filmmakers’ attention. A shame for an app that made films such as ‘Tangerine’ possible. But one only has to think of GPS units before Google Maps, or photo editing software before Apple improved its own, to see the likely direction of travel. A real shame.
I couldn’t have summed this up better. Apple and Android smartphone manufacturers could completely pull the rug from under companies such as FiLMiC Pro by enhancing their current camera software to match or exceed FiLMIC’s capabilities right out of the box. Of course, this wouldn’t be ‘free’ as you still have to buy the phone but, once you’ve bought it, using the camera with such enhanced, professional settings would not carry a ridiculously expensive weekly subscription. It sounds odd to say but I take into account any future phone purchase based on its camera capabilities, rather than how well it handles calls to my mother. Incorporating the essence of FiLMIC Pro’s capabilities within the regular phone app would sway me to upgrade to the next pro model.
Well said.
I’m a casual filmmaker. I bought and paid for the app and the flat profile add-ons. I’ve gotten to use the app MAYBE four times over the past 5-6 years.
If I was getting to go out and create on a regular basis, I could justify a low-cost subscription ($3-5/month). But I don’t.
They should definitely have some kind of free version to at least get learning filmmakers onboard with the app.
Would I pay a subscription fee? No Way! Yeah, it may be a great app, but there are other alternatives available without subscription.
Maybe it’s time we see other pro apps emerging into the fray. Moment app is also good and I think it can fill the gap. With the betterment of smart phones in terms of cameras and censors, FilmicPro is seeing an opportunity beyond today so I don’t blame them. It’s business. But I’m totally against the app subscription model.
I’m already switching to another camera APP. And guess what, what I found was very pleasing! Other smaller developers have been quietly listening to the users and the products they are coming up with are improvements over FilmicPro. I’m a film teacher and I would never ask my 25-30 high schoolers to become trapped into subscriptions. Just isn’t cool. Free market competition is what has always driven product improvement and we may be seeing this happen with this product.
Hi, what app did you switch to please?
I would also like to know what app you've switched to
Not wanting my students to have to pay subscriptions led me away from FilmicPro and in my research I found what might become a much better APP: MoviePro The application has a one time purchase of approx. $7.99, version 8.3. The application has been around for a few years and is very much like the other, with lots of items that are easier to use and others that are under improvement. The developer is very responsive to questions and suggestions. Give it a try and after a few days you quickly start to adapt and don’t have to pay a ridiculous subscription.
@@giovannifabietti538 THANK YOUUUU so much Professor...(-:
filmic pro just lost another paying customer! movie pro is great!
I would be so upset if they did a subscription model, I paid a lot of money for the cinematographer kit and the app itself
That's why Blackmagic Design needs to make a camera app. They just kill it when it comes to price/performance. In the meantime, maybe I'll pick up a Sony Xperia phone? I hear their native camera app has a lot of professional features just like their mirrorless cameras.
I disagree that BMD "needs" to make a camera app. Maybe for controlling their cameras, but, not as a standalone camera app. It would cut into their camera sales because a lot of people are downright lazy and would go the app way because it's easier. Despite the loss of features that come with such an app.
Lots of great comments here... Thanks for the feedback and for watching! I mentioned to some of the Filmic guys that they should read these as it's almost like a focus group for them. We should know more in the next few weeks. -BC
UPDATE: Filmic Pro has CONFIRMED they were acquired by Bending Spoons and they are moving to a subscription model with Version 7 of their app. ALSO, the spam bots have hit this thread so ignore the fake reply comments from Telegram that are supposed to look like it's from this channel. THEY ARE NOT. Have marked them as spam and manually removed most. Fun stuff. Ugh.
Thanks, Blake. I think of watching all the wonderful videos you created for years now on how to best use this app, and all the time we spent watching them and learning, and at least for me now it was all for nothing as I won't be using this app.
Last comment for now. As you mentioned Blake, FP should realize not everyone who's using this is a professional who uses it regularly and makes money off of its use.
And another thing to think about FP is perhaps you've decided to just cut off people who've paid their hard-earned money for this as they wouldn't be spending more money anyway. So perhaps in your eyes, that's not a problem. But it is. You sold this to us with the understanding this purchase was a one-time payment. If you just dump us now in that way this creates extremely bad karma for you. Don't doubt it. I'll let this go for now and check in later. It's been too upsetting. I'll focus on more positive things.
Nah I already paid for FilmicPro once. If they switch me to a subscription I will cancel and delete the app. There will always be another app that can do the same thing.
Deleting if I have to subscribe. I purchased it expecting that was for life, but typically I've seen companies that switch like that just create a new version and make it a separate app from the original; then stop supporting the original. I fully believe in developers getting paid for their work, but I just cannot afford to rent everything especially since at this point I am not making any money and Apple's native apps are good enough for my needs push came to shove.
That’s my thoughts, if they price me out of using it. I am making a little money. But not a ton. Certainly not enough for them to be getting a cut of it every month or year.
I can no longer use the app without accepting a new terms of service that includes a subscription fee requirement. Is there an alternative free app with DoubleTake’s features?
Oh well, Goodbye Filmic Pro. I'm not subscribing to this app. They don't update it enough IMO to justify a subscription model... and the app damn sure ain't worth $5 per week. They've lost their freaking minds. I really do miss the old days when success relied on a good business plan with sound financials. Nowadays, too many companies offset their insufficiencies (via subscription models) at the expense of consumers.
They have been spending money programming for teachers, journalists, etc. in the fiesta of Adobe (Frame io) and now we are paying that fiesta. I'm an android user and I'm also paying the Apple fiesta. Android has less features.
I’ll go back to my DSLR if that’s going to be the case. I don’t pay for software that requires monthly subscription. I only believe in paying for it once and it’s mine forever. I would only pay again if there’s a new version of it, but subscription, never.
I'm wondering if the terms of the agreement when I bought Filmic Pro 7 years ago covers them from litigation for requiring me to pay more for the app. A class action suit might make them reconsider a subscription model.
What they can do is that you can keep version 6. And if you want version 7, there's a subscription model.
@@Ditispeter Except if the original terms included all future updates.
@@Ditispeter They are more likely to sunset Filmic Pro and create a near identical app with a new name and subscription model.
I bought it both for Android and iOS. So I already paid twice for the same product. The moment they will ask another penny from me, I am out. 4,99 per week is an insane price, anyway. I can understand a "please help us" subscription, but not a "we'll rip you pockets" model.
If they ask for more money from me, even I will be surprised how fast I will forget about FilmicPro. Me and all my buddies.
I JUST finished writing an entire 8 part module focused on specifically using Filmic Pro for my cooking content creator course and when I found this out I completely lost it.
Thanks for the video, Blake. After using many of Adobe's software apps, I stopped using them when they decided to go with a subscription service. I will do the same with Filmic Pro. Blackmagic gives away their DaVinci Resolve Studio with their cameras, and updates are free for years. They are the companies I stay with.
I bought the DaVinci Resolve Studio as a stand-alone purchase and it's amazing value for money.
...I did then buy other BMD kit including the brilliant micro panel, so the inexpensive software bait worked for me
filmic pro's new terms of service begin september 15th. the purchase plans already show weekly plans. it looks like all this crashes down mid-september.
it might be time for something to arise to take its place.
pay once model is far less stressful . perpetuating costs always feel like something is leaking out of your savings no matter the price, even if it is one dollar. that adds up over time. constant charges suck. that is not right and there should be pay once options and choices.
Thanks! I have FP on my iPhone 13 but never use it because it's notoriously unreliable. I would never pay for a subscription to FP. As a rule, the native camera app on your phone is the best camera app to use, because it's simple and reliable. It's specifically designed this way to reduce creative friction and help people to actually do something. FP teaches filmmakers bad habits because it places the focus on gear and production value, rather than story and character and doing.
It would be nice if Apple would improve the native camera app though. You currently can’t lock focus or exposure or white balance independently. That’s a huge problem. So it really doesn’t work for anything other than social media or home movies. The bit rate is too low too (unless using ProRes). So the point is, even if we don’t use FiLMiC Pro I highly suggest using a third-party app.
@@iphoneographers Still shocked Apple doesn't allow these simple features, even if only on Pro Max. If they did this plus enable anamorphic lenses we'd all be satisfied. Seems the iphone 14 models won't have any of this stuff either. Really cannot fathom the oversight of allowing us to shoot 24fps soon but not to lock exposure wtf?!
One reason I don’t like subscription models is because they are always too expensive… like in one year alone you will spend more than the more expensive single payment apps. And most of those apps are probably for things that aren’t needed for everyday but once in a while.
If Filmic pro turns to a subscription model I definitively stop using this app!!!
I own it, I barely use it. But when I reach for it I like what it does. But if I have to keep paying for it again and again I’m gone. I mostly shoot on DSLR cameras so I guess my workflow won’t change too much.
I love Filmic Pro but my subscription to Protake is only $19.99 per year. THAT'S how much I'd be willing to pay for Filmic Pro.
but you ALREADY paid for Filmic Pro...
@@RetroBacon1 For version 6. Not for version 7.
Once of the good things with the “free market economy” is that customers/clients have the choice to go elsewhere when the cost of a service becomes prohibitive, and when this happens we usually see the emergence of a new platform substituting the “Old Guard”. Darwin’s principles come to mind - survival of the fittest etc. FiLMic Pro is not Adobe no matter how relevant it believes it is, it will never be in the same league. So my warning to FiLMic Pro is be careful what you wish for and don’t be greedy there’s always a new kid on the block that will be ready to replace you. I love FiLMic Pro I’ve been using it for years but I’m not afraid of change or moving to something new. There will be something else within a short space of time, if not already!
This is a pure hijack from me buying this years ago before all this subscription crap.. corporate America got everything and poor people like myself now can’t use many apps due to the subscription bullcrap life is hard and the little people get jerked around hard and to open up this app and see I can’t use it freely no more
Now I have to realease it and say at least I enjoy the free years of this app and me and 100s of my friend is having funeral arrangements for this app and deleting from my phone plus with the iPhone 14 filmic pro is truly no longer needed happy I brought this app years ago and sad that me and all my friends are saying goodbye
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I’m not against subscription apps and I use some on my MacBook, iPhone and iPad. The ones I subscribe to are used often and they are beneficial to me. Would I subscribe to FilMic Pro? Yes, if the price was reasonable. If I had to pay more than $100 Canadian a year I might question the value. Maybe a question people should ask is, “Compared to my NetFlix, Disney+, etc., subscriptions, where would the FilMic Pro subscription fit in?”
If they go to a subscription model they’re history. I dropped everything Adobe as soon as they changed to subscriptions. Now I use the Affinity suite and FCPX.
I have to say this was awful news for me to. I am new to filmaking and have I spent the last 3 months getting my gear together and preparing for a documentary project. Filmic Pro was by far my best option for many reasons and I spent several hours studying it, watching channels like this and many others. I planned to purchase it as soon as I arrived in location, but when I went to the app store to do it, just a few days ago, I couldn't really understand what was going on. There was no information available anywhere, and I thought for some reason me being in a remote 3rd world country could be causing this "issue" with the pricing and subscribing plan. But no, I was just a few days late! It felt like a punch in the gut. Very unprofessional of Filmic Pro not to advertise this in advance, or actually go slow into the subscription mode by having more reasonable prices at the begging, etc. I guess they just don't really care about the user base and are just expecting to keep the business as profitable as possible. Nothing new. Anyways, I missed the FP train, happy for those who managed to purchase earlier and enjoyed the ride! I am really looking forward to the next app that can fill this gap!
Same here. I invested many weeks learning the ins and outs of Filmic Pro, and now I'll have to learn something else, because I refuse to be part of subscription models. They are a con.
I am against all subscription based applications. I have no problem with purchasing an app outright and paying for significant updates but not by subscription. When they offered Ciné-Kit, Lut packs and apps like Filmic Remote I bought them no problem because there was a value added. Paying a subscription just because they want more money holds no value for me. If every developer goes subscription based there will be a point when you can no longer afford to keep them all. If Filmic is having financial problems they are really going to have problems when they start losing customers that are hobbyists, which I suspect are the majority of their users. I stopped using all Adobe products when they went subscription based. Many people dropped Avid when they stopped providing perpetual licenses. If Filmic goes subscription based only or offers advanced features to subscribers, I will have to find another. No one pays me for development. They pay for the end result.
Filmic Pro is not the most important thing in my life. If they're going to start a subscription program, I'll stop using it. 😠
I’ve always thought of FilmicPro as brilliant and have admired it - but from the sidelines. If I had a more recent phone and (most important) the motivation, I could justify a modest annual subscription fee. But for now…I paid for it, have it, but don’t have that much use for it. I’d rather watch you use it. So add me to the list of those who would vanish when presented with a subscription invoice.
I don’t own filmic pro yet, but I have been wanting to buy it for a while. I have heard so many great things about it. But if it becomes a subscription model, it loses so much of its value as a upgrade from the stock photo app. If I need it’s capabilities, I would pay for it while I needed it. But It would bother me every time I opened it. It will create a passive or subconscious negative opinion towards the brand even if it’s not actually being greedy. It just feel’s like how every other app and micros transactions are all trying to steal a slice of the pie through anti consumer tactics.
I adopted to this app and I can easily adopt to another one. FilmicPro has some really disadvantages like the small exposure setting numbers which I cannot read on the display (too small) or that the settings constantly change from sequence to sequence. I am not against paying for an app on a yearly basis when the price is right. I think 30 Euro / year is my max and the rise over the years must be moderate.
Dang... I was an early adopter. I use it. Did in App purchases. It was a great deal and it was (is) a great bargain, but if they force me to the subscription model, I'm gone and the app will be deleted. I'll find another way to get my work done. I totally get it, every company needs to make a buck, but again we see this so much now days, little company comes out with a great product, creates a loyal audience, promises are made, little company gets taken over by bigger company and all the rules change and the old promises no longer exist. Maybe this dates me, but the subscription model simply doesn't work for me. But, it will probably win in the end, but they're going to have to wait a while... I'm a boomer, and I'm not dead yet.
Good to hear your thoughts Blake. Agreed. A smallish yearly fee sounds a lot more doable if it keeps the company in business. For people who have it already should keep their copy still of course which is likely.
A yearly fee of any kind is no good. Why would you keep paying for something that you have already paid for. There is no incentive for them to further develop their product if they have free money coming in on a weekly, monthly or yearly basis. There is no value in it for you as the consumer.
@@Bunnfest the other side to that coin is that they would have the money to continue to innovate the app
@@Nogi-aka-DJNugz Then just pay for each upgrade if and when you need it, like Vegas pro.
I might be out. MoviePro also works pretty well for what I use it for (records at a better quality than the Apple app, has clean HDMI out and a remote app). Now... if FiLMiC were to add Remote Pan and Tilt (with the phone mounted to a DJI OM 4) I might be back in depending on price.
Sad because i was so excited for the course and lessons for filmic pro in the tomorrows filmmakers course.
I paid for it and I use it. I’ve bought all their in app purchases. I will never bye a subscription. They Beauregard’s look around because there are free (and good)replacements available. It looks like the original folks took their money and ran.
Sooner or later Apple will update iMovie App or maybe a Final Cut Lite app and it will have all of Filmic Pro’s features. Or another company like Moment will update their app. Filmic Pro employees will be looking for a job in about a year if subscription plan is their roadmap
Besides the fact, that in many regions of the world it would be illegal to suddenly simply charge for something basically already bought and paid for…NO! I have the app for a couple years now, but if I’d have to pay a subscription, in addition to the down comings phones have when compared to regular cameras (battery life, overheating & visibility in hot sunny conditions, etc.), I’d simply stop using it altogether and/or use something else.
That sucks...I have the app and used it occasionally but not making any money from the use of the app so a subscription base model doesn't work for me and will sadly discontinued future usage.
As a teacher of new filmmakers I'd say I've recommended filmic to every student I've come across as the first investment they should make into their career. Subscription would be a huge no go! $1.99 a month maybe?! But still Moment camera app for $7 is comparative to filmic pro and would easily be my new recommendation over filmic pro if it became subscription base
I've been using Cinema P3 which is quite decent, and I've heard that MoviePro is good too. There are options, but that doesn't make the betrayal by FP any less hard to swallow.
I’m sorry to hear that. I’m against the subscription model in principle also for pros. This is the reason why I purchased DaVinci Studio licence and quit Adobe. I’m not a casual/hobbist user I use the app regularly and constantly but I don’t make money out of it. I’m an audiovisual artist whose projects are not for the market. Why should I pay for a subscription? I hope they will change their mind.
I was ready to buy the app last week after watching your videos. Then I saw it was a subscription and it was too expensive to just try at the weekly price. I’m not unwilling to pay for a subscription but they’re charging too much right now.
I think if you already use Filmic Pro (like you and I) we should be grandfathered in. Now whatever features they add if they want us to stick around it should be a monthly preferably annual
I was just thinking about this more as some of my students use this app for class content. Filmic Pro will definitely loose them. And I can see Apple jumping on this immediately. I can see Apple adding a Filmic Pro type app that works with their Pro model phones. FP just opened the door for others to jump in and grab market share.
I was going to tell you about this. Another guy I follow posted a video and mentioned he loaded it on his girlfriend's phone and it was asking $2.99 A WEEK! to subscribe! Now I see you mentioned $4.99 a WEEK which is even more absurd! Not going to happen. If they think that will fly they're living in a fantasy world. Maybe $10 a year for new people might work. They don't understand evidently not everyone uses this every day.
I hope their prosumer market keeps them alive. As a hobbyist who has owned the app since day 2, and purchased the upgrade, I feel that it has been an exceptional value. I would even re-purchase a newer version, but the last thing I need is another monthly, or… are they insane with weekly?, bill in my life. Blake, you are doing your best to be a good ambassador, but I’d even have to say no to $3 a month. With that said, if I was actually making money using this tool I would tell them to shut up and take my $30/yr. I can get by with a lesser app that has some basic manual control but I’d still recommend Filmic to anyone who is trying get the most out their phones camera capabilities.
All it will take is phone updates to incorporate more manual features and filmic is done anyway. I only use the app for control on white balance. Once iPhone gives us that control there’s no way I’ll be paying a filmic subscription.
I hate subscriptions. I'd rather dump the software rather than pay a subscription. I'd rather pay to upgrade my software if I saw that there were important and useful updates. That way I would know if the cost was worth it. If a company like Filmic Pro did move into subscriptions, I'd hope that the basic software would be free and that you would pay for advanced features on a subscription basis. Right now advanced features cost more, but moving those to a subscription approach might be palatable if those features were important. Also, as a retired university professor, I can tell you that students will not be able to pay on a subscription basis. If Filmic Pro goes the subscription route, it will lose students who in the future might become potential professional users of their software. Please, Filmic Pro, don't do it!
I’ve had it for years , and it’s great, but I will not be using it if it goes subscription.
I purchased FilmicPro a long time ago. I've bought it for both Android and iPhone. If they make me pay a subscription for any of it, I'm out. 100%. I hate subscription models for stuff like that. I used to be a Premiere editor, and while I still use it occasionally because I get Adobe free from my work, I have switched to primarily using Resolve, and occasionally FCPX. I hate subscriptions.
Asking as somebody in post production, does anyone actually use their iPhone with Filmic Pro for client work, beyond a last-case-scenario B-camera? At least enough that it would be worth paying for as an ongoing subscription?
It’s used quite a bit for corporate and social media work in particular, but whether or not another app couldn’t just fill those shoes is a subjective question.
Agreed. I’d rather buy it outright than subscription. There are our apps I simply won’t use because of the subscription model.
Everyone is getting into the “keep paying me forever” trend.
What’s next, a toothbrush subscription?! 😂
At best it could be a Halide situation where they went subscription model before being a one time purchase. At least they supported the app the paid users bought for years before dropping support for the app and making users pay monthly. At worst, we are looking at another Adobe. If push comes to shove I will use Moment on iOS and get a Sony for their video apps
Speaking of Adobe. I bought Affinity Designer, Photo and Publisher to do away with Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign and I use those apps for my business. Subscription fatigue is a real thing and it sucks, big time!!!
Goods purchased once cannot be removed in the event of subscription.
The only reason why i purchased Filmic is because of the import problems i had with iphone-movies into premiere pro (sync problem). Filmic did not have that problem and saved me the hassle of converting all my movies. So if there is a other app that does this, or if the problem gets fixed by apple or adobe, then filmic goes out (if it goes to a subscription)
All this subscription stuff is rubbish. Im tired of all of it
Yea shits wack
I was sitting on the fence to buy a 4K CineCam and this was the push I needed. Thank you FiLMiC!
I have used, appreciated, and enjoyed FiLMiC Pro for several years. We have it on 7 different phones at work, and I have it on my personal iPhone. We use it because it has consistently been the best video app for smartphone use. I've encouraged untold others to purchase and use FiLMiC Pro over the years.
I don't like the thought of moving from a one-time payment to a subscription plan, but if it is a reasonable fee and it provides for ongoing support and improvements, I'd bite the bullet and pay. $30 a year I could stomach; $4.99 a week is absurd!
I have the same feeling about Adobe Creative Cloud. Work pays for Adobe, so I use Premiere Pro, Photoshop, etc. at work. But I can't justify Adobe's subscription prices for home, so I've moved on to the likes of DaVinci Resolve, LumaFusion, and Photopea for my personal use.
subscription model is not worth it for many Apps. subscription models only are viable when you are no more creative or innovative but want to keep a large bloated team. However, there are new services, that require supporting underlying resources, then perhaps so. I think they might add new capabilities such as sounds, luts, other other iage and sound algo's... that are really good, but let's see. The beauty of all these subscription drive is that open source is also gaining ground into the app space...
I bought it and all the extras and used it with my iPhone 11pro & 12pro quite a bit for smaller projects and it was nice having that control over the camera in the iphone, but I would not pay ANY amount for a subscription (if they switch to that model). That is why I don't use Adobe for editing. I prefer purchasing software once and then being able to use it vs. feeling like I'm getting drained financially from here on out. Would be interesting if a company like Black Magic Design made a phone/camera app for a one time purchase to try to bring in all phone videographers into that eco-system since Davinci Resolve and Black Magic Cameras are so affordable and so good.
I inadvertently upgraded to the "New" Filmic Pro". (Long time user of the original version)
I can't get my videos off the phone without the paid versions and do not even know where the files went?
The subscription model is complete BS. I am Furious about the footage trapped on my phone.
Need to cover for the app development? Just charge for the upgrades. So you will also have a feedback from the community - what features are really needed and what features are not as appealing as supposed to be. As for the app updates. Bug fixing is something any responsible developper should do. The customers are paying good real money expecting to receive good, functional software. I am a student in cinematography. I am using Filmic Pro from time to time, but not very often. I bought it because is a tool that can be used occasionally, when I do not have my MFT camera with me. So, paying a subscription fee for a nice to have app makes no sense in my case. The money could be invested in other professional tools that can produce money and pay for themselves.
I also blame Apple for not having a way for developers to charge for an optional upgrade to a new version. Filmic Pro is amazing and I love it, but will probably not support a subscription model.
@@JohnChu So Apple has it’s share of responsibility in this allmost PANDEMIC TREND of developpers adopting subscription models?
@@alexandruciochia8513 At one time, Filmic Pro came out with Filmic Pro 2... a separately purchased app. That might be option to sell/develop new versions. The user can decide whether to buy the new version or remain on the old version.
@@JohnChu Hmmm… I remember buying it :) You’re right. On the other hand, any software developper has to consider updating it’s apps for the newest … iOS versions… and for the new hardware. So, they have to work only for keeping the app functional, without adding any new features. That could be the dark side of app development :)
The reason I originally purchased Filmic Pro was the fact that it provided visual audio level indicators, along with audio input level controls. There are many other features, but that was the giant one. For some reason, Apple, which created Quicktime all those years ago (and included audio level indicators), does not let you see your audio levels when recording in the Camera app. This would be a great time for Apple to fix that, as I do NOT want to be paying for a Filmic subscription model.
For people who have the app no subscription and because we bought it we supported you and you should keep supporting us.
If you want to charge a reoccurring fee for new owners then do what you have to do but leave current owners out of this decision.
There should not be a subscription for anyone. Let them charge for significant updates.
"Moment" App Devs already rubbing their hands
I've already started running down my use of the iPhone as a capture device in anticipation that the legacy app will wither and die and that there won't be a replacement. So even if they switch back to a non-sub model, they will likely have lost me as a customer by then.
If I find that I'm missing using the phone, then I might go to the iPhone 14 Pro Max, as I could do with an iPhone upgrade soon, and try that without Filmic.
New customers sure :( it sucks, but, If they make me pay anything after I already own it? I am sure that has to be illegal. It said nothing about later having to pay more.
The questions should come from us to filmic pro, like what will they offer the user that would make the subscription worth it. what's in it for us to pay an insane amount of money for something that was a one and done payment
I hope they don’t forget the original users who bought the app. If they kick us out it would be a deceptive move. I bought the apps and the the upgrades and love them but I bought them knowing that it was a one time purchase. I would hate to be lied to. That would be a very Facebook move if they did that. I hope the don’t abandon the early adopters.
I use Filmic Pro but often take the footage and import it into a more 'capable' video editing software, so subscription model does not work for me. One time payment is ok for the level of use it can give me, move to subscription and I will ditch it straight away out of principle even though I have already paid for it.
Paid for Filmic Pro and Filmic Remote, now after one update I'm locked out of many features. Feel totally betrayed.
It'd be different if they were offering a new version of the app with a subscription model, and a Legacy one one which could be purchased outright, but they just replaced everything with the sub model while offering nothing to loyal customers.
Needless to say, both apps got instantly binned. I'm now using Cinema P3, which isn't quite as good (yet) but it gives the same basic functionality, and that's all I need.
I'm okay with a small subscription fee at a yearly or monthly rate, but if's a substantial cost, I have other options.
I signed up for 7.0 but they did not offer proposed pricing. I wouldn't mind paying $5 a month but much more and I suspect I'll be looking for another app. Filmic Pro adds somewhat to my presentations and while I see the difference, I'm betting my TH-cam subscribers would not.
Just switched from adndroid to ios. And as a regular user of Filmic Pro on old device. Wanted to double dip... and yeah not a pleasant surprise. Pro Camera by Moment it is then. Was nice while it lasted tho.
If they do go to a subscription model I’m not in. I really like that it works with Bluetooth but I do have wireless mics so it’s no longer necessary but it is nice.
It's not just a matter of subscription-based since I already paid 30 bucks just to get the app. But I feel the app has lost a lot of quality too. I've been experiencing a lot of glitches and crashes color reproduction has been inaccurate. And support seems to be lacking now as well.
This sucks! I upgraded to v7 and now I can't even use it. DO NOT UPGRADE V6.x There doesn't seem to be any way to downgrade. I paid for this and now it's useless!
You can definitely revert back to V6… filmicpro.helpscoutdocs.com/article/81-how-do-i-access-filmic-pro-v6-if-i-previously-purchased-it
@@iphoneographers Yeah, I wrote to Filmic and they actually answered and told me about "Filmic Legacy." I spent the day cussing because I wanted to shoot a video and couldn't but now I've got v6 back.
I bought only basic app, about 29$ per year. I don't buy add-on or any in-app because Final Cut Pro, Da Vinvi Resolve and VSCO can do. Thank you
I totally agree with you, the prescription model will mostly hurt the hobbyists. Maybe a possible solution would be to have a “filmic pro pro” with a subscription model and “free” updates for professional users, and a “filmic pro basic” for a one time purchase with optional in app purchases/updates for non-commercial use. Love your work, as always!
I am not able to support subscription-based model at any price range.
I've had Filmic Pro for many years. It is a resounding no for me to pay for a subscription. I hate when companies do that.
I just found out today that I without the subscription I can't even access my video recordings. Frankly that is horse crap. I can understand using a subscription model to fund future development and extra features but to make it so that the casual user can't even access their videos in their device outside of the app is way too much control for a developer to have over my device. My data is my data. I refuse to pay someone else to access it via a file browser. So...I finally deleted the app that I was so happy with for so long. Time to find something new.
I was importing the midi files from my PC, after importing the midi file, the midi file only runs on the default tempo.
Great stuff!! Are you going to do a shootout between Filmic and Protake?
Very possibly. Kind of waiting to see how the dust settles, but will definitely be looking at alternatives in more detail.
I am making one to two short films a year as an amateur and a subscription model would be very bad for me.
Yeah unfortunately I just recently got into using my phone to film videos. I downloaded the app to step up my iPhone 12 Pro Max camera features and saw it was a subscription app so I’ve been hesitant about giving them my money.
No subscription models for me at all. If they move to that model, I’m definitely looking for another alternative, even if it doesn’t give me as many features!
Adding yet one more “subscription” fee to my existing and necessary assets (music library, video repository etc) would feel like a swift kick to the unmentionable. I use and love FilmicPro. I’ve used it MOSTLY in b-cam or “I forgot to get this pick up shot” instances. But I have used it in a pinch to shoot an entire piece when having to travel and using FMP was easier (without losing quality) than hauling my gear. I don’t know, I’d have to think long and hard whether an additional automatic payment to my company credit card was worth it for FilmicPro regardless of whether it was 30 bucks or 100 or more. Weekly? NFW. That would be buh-bye.
As you rightly said, it should not affect us who already bought the app once. If future consumers will be ready to pay for the subrscrption, that will be their choice and we will all be happy.
I just opened the app, which I haven't in some time, to see what would happen. And if you open it you are immediately confronted with a screen stating "Hi there!" We're updating our Terms of Service." And saying we have until September 15, 2022, to accept the new terms of service. "If you don't agree to the new terms you'll need to stop using the app before that date."
So naturally, I went to check out the new Terms of Service which BTW are from Splice Video Editor S.r.l.& Bending Spoons S.p.A.. The new Terms of Service went on and on. Seems like you'd pretty much need to have passed the bar exam to understand them. Plus, and this is the big plus, to find out how long the new terms were I copied and pasted them into Microsoft Word. The total number of words in the new Terms of Service is........................ 13,165!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13,165!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 30 pages long in Microsoft Word! To use a small app on your phone!!!!!!!!!
This is one of those instances where you'd love to be there with the person or people who have created this, Bending Spoons S.p.A., and just say to them, "What's wrong with you?!! Your greed is clearly making it impossible to clearly understand your customer's use of this app!!!"
These are the type of totally out-of-touch people we are forced to deal with in our lives these days. Sad, sad, sad.
So will we be able to just use the app and added accessories and skip any future updates? If not this will be an instance of spending our hard-earned money they've basically stolen now, with no concern for their customers, and we'll be forced to delete the app.
If you disregard how this affects your previous customers and are driven by greed, and horrible business practices, and rip us off, I believe your business will struggle greatly going forward.
I just clicked “yes” on the new terms of service didn’t read it. LOL. That’s crazy.
I am 100% against paying a subscription model for any app, they can't be forcing users in my opin it needs to be a choice. Too many app devs are trying to make users pay for a monthly sub not cool ... like most I purchased some time ago and Bending Spoons needs to listen to its users and not force a sub. This is not a service like Electrical or Netflix when are these companies going to get that most of us want a one time purchase and some upgrades, but no Monthly or Yearly. If they pull this crap I want the money I spent to buy it back.
Most users should let them know we don't want that and if they don't listen then I do think its the end of them. I saw splice changed and I will not sub to use it, too bad as it was good as a FREE app and one might buy something like it as a one time FEE but subs on any app no way. I say everyone needs to voice there opin to the CEO maybe then they will see its not a good idea. An app is not and should never be a Monthly or Yearly service period. I am really beginning to despise all these companies that are forcing a sub.
Some have tried and failed due to public backlash on social media and had to revert back and that's what should happen here if they try and push that. That is my two cents.
I have paid twice for it for some reason, the moment they shift to subscribtion model, DJI filming app will be the app :)
How do you install the paid for version later if you had to replace your phone or reset your phone on android? I bought all their apps and in-app purchases.
Numbing!! Filmic was never even a second thought when it came to pro level control on a smartphone, especially as the iPhone 14 Pro continues to push into mirrorless and cinema camera quality. I have no idea what other app can keep pace with the always improving smartphone camera systems as well as gimbals. What’s the competing app that’s a one time purchase that will dethrone Filmic?