I'm an advanced amateur, making nothing from my work. Given the number of great apps with reasonably close functionality (in some cases better) and the pricing of those apps, the market will seem to bear about $20-24/yr on subscription, at best. Further, I fully expect each of these competing apps to jump quickly to fill functionality gaps and grab a huge chunk of FilmicPro's market share, especially given the already horrific marketing errors made and breach of trust. I believe FilmicPro is going to be hurt, regardless of their pricing decision at this point.
Regarding Protake, they have a deal: $13.99 for the first year and then $19.99 afterwards. It seems like the one I’m leaning towards. About ~$1.65 a month compared to $3 a WEEK? Absolutely worth it.
If you already paid for & use it + any of the in-app purchases, we still get access to use it at no subscription charge. We just won’t have access to any new features, which kind of sucks but at least we’re grandfathered in for past purchases.
@@BBAACKE You know why I have paid this app several times?! It's because they have changed the name of it a few times so you had to buy it again and again. Then they said F-it and just raised the price. I promise you that they make a new app called "Filmic Ultra" or something like that and that will have the sub and all the new features.
@@BBAACKE question, A popup came on my phone when I just tried to use it basically saying I have to accept the new subscription agreement or stop using the app? Did you accept the popup to keep using the app?
@@BBAACKE Thanks. It sure doesn't read that way though. Other people saying the same thing. Their drunk legal department is causing a lot of confusion and they are admitting their mistakes in the prompt were wrong.
although it may be an afterthought for many, an alternative to filmic pro with excellent app privacy is a big plus. any app that tracks users is a dealbreaker. from your list, mavis and movie pro recorder have the best privacy rating according to the app store. i remember when mavis beacon was a typing practice software.
I used Mavis Pro Camera because it was free and I could only shoot 1080p at 25fps. That was really all I needed and I got decent shots. If you wanted all the other full features to select from, you have to buy them or pay the full price for all the features. I thought I’d do that later since I wasn’t doing much with the app and I was already planning to buy filmic pro. I bought filmic pro and used it for quite a bit and it was decent. But I’m already used to managing Mavis Pro Camera. Now Mavis has made the app a single purchase app on the App Store and those that had it when it was free get all the full features and don’t need to pay for anything. That update blew my mind because I had already bought filmic pro and kind of started to regret it. But then I thought “meh, I’ll just rotate between the two apps”. But now Mavis Pro Camera is an even better experience for me. At this point, it feels like I’m doing an ad for Mavis. 😂😂😂. Everyone should check it out. I think it is a better alternative to Filmic Pro. The app is $5.99 on the App Store I think. Although it’s only avail for iOS.
Yeah, Mavis is great. I am still confused about their pricing though, maybe it depends on where you live. They still show in-app purchases, but I couldn’t find the gimbal functions, although I have purchased everything in the past. I need to do some research on that. But I do think it’s a really solid app.
Thank God MoviePro has a remote, that's a huge plus when filming yourself. The rest, film emulations and everything, I can overcome having paid them for naught, but a lack of Remote App would be a turn off for Filmic remplacements.
Why can’t apple just update their native camera app! I use the native app more than I use filmic pro cause it’s so convenient but I HATE you don’t have manual control. I guess that’s by design to make it simple for everyone. But just make another “pro” option in the setting menu to turn on an off for those who want more control.
@@jayoils123 yeah I think so too. I feel Like since apple is going hard on their camera and video specs more recently to market towards creators it just makes sense for a total overhaul of the native app within the next few generations. I have the 13 pro max now. So I’m skipping the 14 but I hope by 15 or 16 we’ll see a better app implemented.
The real problem here, is that there is no guarantee that someone (or even the same company that bought out FilmicPro) won't buy the alternate app(s) and start charging a subscription as well. As long that is the case, I'd say your real choice is between the native Camera app (at least until it occurs to Apple to start charging for features on a monthly basis) and whichever app does what you need regardless of price.
thats why i was leaning to go for the one bought by atomos, I'm from a 3rd world country and paid filmic pro right before they went subscription model and I can use it on my new phone.
I feel the same. "One time purchase" no longer means what we think it means. Although a program in a different category, the art program Clip Studio Paint is also moving to subscription. Many users are upset at the change. The feeling of security, ownership, and community that comes with "one time purchase", no longer has...purchase. I don't want to change the conversation. I just thought of Clip Studio Paint as a similar example.
The V6 app is not going away, at least no time soon. They’ve committed to keeping it updated with iOS for the foreseeable future. But I hear what you’re saying. I suggested to them that the new subscription model should actually be a new app, not just a new version.
I'm currently exploring a class action lawsuit against Filmic Pro for the bait and switch they pulled with Filmic v7 against perpetual license holders while keeping the name of the original app and even keeping all the reviews associated with it in the iOS app store which should be illegal. I'm also going to petition for Apple to make them start over with zero reviews since all the reviews are now invalid for the app since it's not the same app people paid for when they wrote the reviews. Also, the Filmic Legacy app, icon and name isn't what I paid for and my receipt from Apple still links to Filmic Pro, not Filmic Legacy since it still has all the reviews from the previous versions. If they are going to take functionality away from existing users they need to create a new app in the marketplace with a new name and leave the existing app up for owners to continue to download and use from the original install location in the store. If you're interested in joining let me know by the same name on Twitter.
I want to thank you for for taking so much time reviewing these other app's. I started using Filmic Pro long ago because of recommendations from people like you.. I figured if pros are using it it must be a good product. It has served me well but I will not continue if it is more that 20 dollars a year. I like you, I already own beast cam and moment cam I am playing with protake and will look at the others you mentioned. I mainly make training videos for schools and when I am asked about software I was always comfortable recommending Filmic Pro but now I can't recommend a subscription based application.
Nice overview. I went ahead and bought the MoviePro bundle because I feel like Filmic is going to end up being way too expensive. I briefly played with the app and I agree it's inspired by FP. The remote seems to work well, but I only played with it for a minute or so. Stability is key with that and I know FP has had issues with that over the years. It does allow you to shoot two cameras at the same time at the highest resolution. I think DoubleTake only allows 1080p, or it did when it first came out. Plus you can control it remotely (dual camera recording), as long as the remote device has at least an A12 chip. If not, then the remote locks up. I only have 1 that can shoot dual, the 11 Pro. It's not that big of a deal, but I could see using the wide and tele lenses at the same time for my talking head or some other combination for interviews. I think the others have some great qualities. BeastCam for $1.99 might be worth it just to do it. Most of them would suit my basic needs, though I also want to have a separate library. I'd agree that $20-30 per year for FP is reasonable, and I'd stay with FP for that. But $100+? No way.
Good to hear on MoviePro. I haven’t used it a lot, but it seems to work pretty well. Although stability is always a concern with any of these apps really. But filmic has been pretty stable for me recently anyway. I inquired recently if Filmic has made a decision on their pricing and they still haven’t. That’s going to be the key, I hope they make the right choice. :)
Hey, thanks for this video. I'm sure there are many people out there, with the news of FilmicPro going to a subscription based system, who aren't too happy with that model and want to find other means to shoot their videos.
Another completely disillusioned user of Filmic pro here. I have been using the Legacy version as I flatly refuse to pay more for it than my original purchase. I do not use any of the features really as my main camera is a Lumix g7 filming watch movements with an F2.8 100mm lens. I use an iphone 12pro for my B roll and bought the filmic remote app for ease of use. Now the remote app seems to be playing up for me and support is next to useless. I have had many occasion where the footage would reduce in volume or mute without me pressing anything other then the record button. As there is no scale on the layout you have no idea it has done this. The volume scale is a tiny white line at the bottom of the screen in portrait mode. After years of using the same setup it does this to me and I am basically told it must be me doing it..... Now looking for alternatives and found your video and it would seem option one is for me as I just want the remote feature really. Thanks for making this comparison as it was very helpful.
as a doco maker all i really want my video app to do is lock the white balance when i start recording (but detect via AWB, but not continually shift whilst filming). afaik Filmic Pro is the ONLY app that has this option.
If I understand correctly, I think most of these apps will actually do that in some form or fashion… Meaning AWB, then lock. But I know what you mean and filmic is really good about that, especially using the different modes.
I wouldn't rathered they raise the price substantially and then charge for future updates than a subscription model I know workers have to be paid and funded to keep updating software so that's why I'm fine with higher costs and paying for updates. Only subscription soft use is Adobe and that's because my job provides it
Excellent video. Heads up/Warming… BeastCam is currently broken on the 14 ProMax (Pro too?). ProRes is no longer available and 10. Bit the screen goes crazy. They are aware of the problems but have not indicated a fix is coming soon.
Do not use Filmic Pro. Do not support people that rip you off with things that ultimately ar based on other peoples achievements. Iphone is the reason they exists. Apps are supposed to be affprdable and in conjunction with the effort it needs to be kept alive. Fact is: you do not need filmic pro to make your work look awesome… any app with basic manual controls will do. Also if you’re a beginner - just learn by using the iphone native controls first. Once familiar you will know what ”else” you need… and soon you will choose any ol’ app. Content is king anyway…
great video lots to think about.... what would be the best one with a remote?, i have to have a remote because my iPhone is so far away from me so controlling the app from my ipad is a must....
I'm not even an iPhone user but appreciate the content on this channel. I bought filmic pro a couple of years ago but if they force me to get into the subscription model, then I'll delete the app. I'm looking at Mcpro24fps.
Like you I have been using FiLMic Pro sense its inception. For the last year or so e have moved more to BeastCam and really haven’t looked back. I need to add that all our post editing is done with LumaFusion on iPad Pros. Switching from standard cams to mobile has been a game changer for us and more than tripled our business. It kinda makes me wonder what FiLMic is thinking?
That’s great to hear. The company who acquired FiLMiC Pro is the one doing this new pricing model, so I’m not sure how it will shake out in the end. I understand the need for consistent revenue, but got to be careful not to alienate your customer base.
I don’t have enough saved to buy an iPad Pro. Can I still edit video using the LumaFusion app on my iPhone 14 Pro? I’ll eventually save money for my iPad pro, but at the same time, I’d like to buy a professional camera first and a MacBook Pro first!
Something odd is happening with Filmic Pro without subscription. If you're not connected to the web the app will show an error message telling you that you're not connected to the web. So I guess the new owners of Filmic Pro want to know when are you using the app and who knows what else. I DON'T LIKE THIS. It invades my privacy. I paid for the app and whatever I do with it is none of their business. I really hope MAVIS offers true LOG in the future so I don't need to use Filmic Pro as long as it's subscription based.
That is not just a privacy issue (looks like a bad implementation of checking subscriptions). But it means that you can‘t use the app on a plane or outdoors in a remote location without network connection.
I had that happen one time but after it checked that it doesn’t do it anymore. I usually shoot in airplane mode so I have all connectivity turned off and it’s working ok. If that continues you might try reinstalling the app.
Manufactures limit access to third-party developers. For example Samsung locks out access to their excellent 3x and 10x telephotos to developers and I use those lenses all the time on my Samsung Galaxy phone. Therefore I use Samsung's native Pro Video OEM app which is very good.
Did you fill in the "what do you think about a subscription model" survey that came up when you launch Filmic? "Absolutely not" was my answer to just about every question. "What would convince you otherwise?" Nothing. "Tell us more..." Are you being serious right now?
I had been using Filmic Pro since around 2016, despite it being consistently buggy and counterintuitive, and constantly losing audio trying to get it to work with the Shure MV88 stereo mic. But it allowed touchscreen control of focus independent of exposure -- which Apple's iOS Camera app did not. Absolutely crucial for controlling blowouts in live performance music video. I finally abandoned it in 2021 when I got an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Upon opening Filmic Pro, it would bizarrely flip to portrait mode or upside down, I don't remember exactly. Filmic Pro tech support had been very helpful over 5 years, and yeah there was a workaround -- clunky but livable. But this was a last-straw moment -- I just gave up, and have been living with iOS Camera. Without a major user interface revision and stronger software engineering standards, moving to a WEEKLY subscription model seems analogous to dispersing its installed base with water jets. I'd much prefer paying more up front -- say $50 instead of the $20 or so it was, and pay for upgrades -- rather than the subscription model feeling of being constantly dinged, and time-wasting overhead keeping track required. Beastcam sounds promising. I'd used MAVIS on and off, seemed like it wasn't being updated; apparently it is as of this 15Sep2022 video.
I still haven't decided what to use instead, and that works with Zhiyun Smooth 5, with my iPhone. Tried a few but could not decide. What is your best choice?
I often try to show cross-platform stuff, and FiLMiC Pro is available on both and so it’s Protake. From what I understand heroic vision above is correct. I’ve been wanting to try Mcpro24fps myself.
Whatever path we choose to go forward, we all need to understand that whichever app solution we choose is merely a temporary option. What may be considered a viable option today, may also end up taking an unexpected turn. Once an app reaches full maturity, ALL developers will strongly consider cashing in either by selling out to another concern or adapting to a subscription model. Nothing lasts forever.
Not all developers are thinking like that. The case of FilmicPro is anyway special, since they were bought by 'Bending Spoon', a company that is obviously specialized on cashing out successful apps. BTW, they also bought Evernote. So leaving FilmicPro behind you is unavoidable.
I made all my TH-cam vids with filmic Pro so far but I was thinking about dropping filmic Pro and using my s21 Pro video native app for a while. The main reason is that the in phone app has access to 8k. Subscription by filmic pro just made my decision so much easier.
These are all only available for IOS. Im from the Philippines most of us here are Android users, Filmic pro is the only Camera Control app available here and its getting expensive for me.
I currently don’t make any money from video editing, so there’s no way to justify the pricing plan for filmic pro. It’s really unfortunate, considering how much money I did invest in all of the filmic Pro apps, and add-ons. I will continue to use filmic legacy for as long as it’s available, but I’m certainly trying out all these other apps to look for a better permanent replacement.
Hello, I´m trying Cinema 3P pro since Filmic Pro decided to spoiedl themselves by the subscription hell. But I can´t find the remote function (very useful), and the other fault is, there´s no function for my zizhum gimbal. Please help
I've been exploring Filmic Pro for a few months as an occasional vlogger. There's no way of pay £50.99 a year for this but would like to continue using this version of it. I'd consider £20/ year Just in case, I've bought Beastcam which currently is only £1.79.
MoviePro also has "Clean HDMI Out" for those who would like to use their iPhone as a studio camera. I don't think any of the others have that. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
@@iphoneographers Interesting. I guess you have be a subscriber to even see that that is an option. I couldn't see it poking around on the free version, and I didn't see it in the description of the app either.
You mentioned MoviePro, BeastCam and others and all what they offered but, you forgot shooting in the Flat/Log/RAW profile for colorgrading in post, does any of this app offer this very thing? I can't possibly be the only one wondering about this am I? Yeah, the Moment App but, you said it's not real Log so...hmm
That was one on my list for this but I decided not to include it because it’s new to me, but it does look good and I will be adding that in a future video.
@@iphoneographers If the developer makes a couple more tweaks I think he would have a real winner! I don't know why more people haven't checked it out. It needs more reviews on TH-cam and the App Store. I think you will find it impressive with the work he has done. I have "no skin in the game," so it is just my opinion from using it. Also, Beastgrip and P3 have been my go to. Much fewer problems than with FilmicPro and easier to use with all the bells and whistles. Thanks!
The links are all Apple store links and I have an Android...I am a new user but want something that is top. I understand Filmic Pro is top but what are a couple of top Android apps very similar to Filmic Pro, paid or not? Thank you for including direct links in your answers!
@@iphoneographers Thank you! Bought it and will compare to Protake and to Filmic Pro. Do you think I will be covered using only one of these, and if yes which one?
You would be covered using any one of those for sure. In many ways, it comes down to a subjective choice. But I do think FiLMiC Pro updates the most, and Protake is probably the least updated.
I’m going to stick with Filmic Pro 6 for the foreseeable future (while they still support it) because I do like it and I’m comfortable using it, but I am angry that they can do what they’ve done to people who paid full price for the app. To start charging more money - and on an ongoing basis too - is outrageous. A complete betrayal of trust between company and customer.
Unfortunately, I didn't realize the change when I upgraded a few months ago. I'm pissed that I paid for both the app and the cinema pack for v6 and can't use either now. Add to that the fact that my current videos are held hostage because you can't export without paying.
Looking for an App where I can use a 2nd device (iPad, etc) as a monitor for filming uke videos on iPhone (back camera) so I can see what is being filmed. Don’t need a ton of Pro controls. App must have remote control ability to view the iPhone. Saw that Filmic Pro did this but subscription way too expensive. Is Movie Pro / Movie Pro Remote the only app you reviewed here that has that ability ? Do you know of any other apps that can do this function. Thanks
Glad I found this. I was about to purchase FilmicPro but now there’s no price. I installed the app and before I could even open it and try it out I was hit with a prompt to agree with their terms of service. As soon as I read that they sell their user’s data, I stopped reading and immediately uninstalled the app. One of FilmicPro’s top features for me is automatic de-squeezing of anamorphic footage. Unfortunately, de-squeezing was not mentioned in your review of these FP alternative apps.
It's funny because I love Protake and haven't used it in about a month because I haven't shot anything recently. So I was surprised to see that damn shutter/iso wheel there which is one of my biggest gripes about Filmic Pro. I HATE the way it works in FIlmic Pro. I guess they redesigned the interface a little to make it more familiar to folks leaving Filmic. Lol. But I like the way Protake implements it.
That price for Filmic is crazy... I would invest that money in a professional camera instead of an app. I recently bought the smooth 5 gimbal because it was fully compatible with Filmic... now a punch in my ****, do you know which of the apps that you mention before can control focus etc with smooth 5? even stacam which is the app for the gimbal is subscription mode (prime +), I'm afraid that all the companies before or later will move to subscriptions model because is a way to get money for ever. Companies like Filmic have grow up because of the help of many many indie filmmakers that contributed to give a good reputation and name to the app.
I need to look into that regarding the Smooth 5. Since I use FiLMiC Pro for 99% of stuff I’m just not sure of the exact compatibility with others. Many of them just have a checkmark for “gimbals“.
What the fudge. I bought the app, Cine kit, remote and film packs (Not something I need but bought it to support them). And now they want me to subscribe to keep something I already bought???
The current V6 app isn’t going anywhere. You’ll still have full access to that. Going forward, though with V7 (whenever that’s released), it’ll be a subscription app. That’s the most current info Filmic has relayed.
Blake thanks for this. Which alternative app is best integrated with Osmo gimbals? Right now I run and gun and can control exposure, focus and recording with FP combined with OM4. Just tried moment but it’s can’t do both focus and exposure from the gimbal controls. Thanks.
subscription? Nope. Nope. Nope. I shoot video as a hobby, I don't make money off it. I have no issues with paying (as I did with Filmic Pro) but not going to be paying monthly for an app I won't be using monthly. In short; nope.
You’re either a videographer, photographer, or not. The films or images start and end in the creators mind and having the latest camera, iPhone and App isn’t going to turn you into an overnight artist. I get fed up hearing about Cinematic and other such effects when some of the best and most creative images I’ve ever seen were created with no more than a pin hole camera or a more modern Fujifilm small portable device. That’s why I won’t be subscribing to an expensive Filmic Pro app but rather shall be concentrating more on improving my creativity and techniques as opposed to placing my trust in an app where I simply need to press a box in which to achieve automatic focus which may or may not be relied upon to be accurate.
I’m keeping both apps and I’m gonna do the tedious thing of filming my shots on Filmic Pro 7, and going into Files app just to transfer my footage from v7 to Legacy.
Thanks for this...I really hate that I purchased the FP app initially and now it's going to a subscription model. Really disappointed in FP and will no longer be using it. Thank you for showing us some alternatives. Anyone that already has the app should be grandfathered in, to me at least, like you I promote them a LOT and won't any longer. Honestly hope this backfires on them...really bad decision.
I haven’t used it enough to comment in depth, but are you saying even when it’s locked it does that? Typically when it’s locked it won’t move even when you adjust the ISO. Although, if you’re adjusting the overall “exposure” it does it with ISO and shutter combined (unless one or both are locked). Hope that makes sense.
Question, A popup just came up when I tried to use the app forcing me to accept a new terms subscription to continue use or delete the app? What the hell am I accepting? I'm NOT paying these people again for a subscription service. Can I accept the use of the app without accepting payments for a subscription? What happens if I accept?
If you are a current user then you just accept it, and nothing will change with your V6 app. It’s mainly referring to V7 and the subscription whenever that is released. Going forward it will be a different cost if you want to upgrade. Otherwise you can continue to use V6 as is.
@@iphoneographers Thanks. I was one of the ones who received their admitted mistake in wording on the acceptance. Supposedly it's changed now on the agreement. They caused a lot of confusion.
I love Mavis, but an issue I’ve faced with the app is they have a bug with their data rate recording. For example, I can select 100 mbps 4k footage, but it will only record 55 mbps. I’ve contacted Mavis about, but haven’t heard back yet. Here’s hoping. Until then, Protake is a great app.
That is one negative to Mavis is that their app updates are few and far between. Typically it’s been pretty solid though, but that is something to consider.
Main question to even slightly consider of even buying a subscription on FilmicPro, even though I have purchased the app, cinematographer’s kit and filmic remote (and upgrading from iPhone 11pro) would be to know if cinematic mode is integrated in Filmic. I don’t know the answer to that (and also doubt that they have integrated it)
It’s not integrated at this point, although I have a sneaking suspicion they’re going to do something like that because Bending Spoons acquired Focos too (DOF app) and now FiLMiC Pro. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they get combined in some fashion.
@@iphoneographers Thank you for the reply. Then until then, its a no-no any kind of subscription in my book (especially after paying a total of about 30-40 euros). Also, beast cam looks awesome and was STILL in special offer 1.99 euros
@@iphoneographers sir when record vide in cinema p3 ,, videos is not smooth .. when I take moving shorts and running shorts … so which frame setting I must do
The current V6 app isn’t going anywhere and so you’ll always be able to access that, at least for the time being. But the new version if you want to go with that will be a subscription. That’s my understanding right now anyway.
@@iphoneographers yea, but I don't expect that they will switch to a subscription for ~60$ USD after a full purchase. And they have a tons of bugs with Dji Osmo 6. I reported all that I found, but there is no expected fix estimation. It's really annoying. I even switched back to osmo 5 + filmic legacy for now.
Haven’t used that one. Looks like it’s geared more towards social media, but does have a lot of features. My current favorite alternative is Cinema P3 - or BeastCam.
Too early to switch. Let's first wait for what the final subs are for Filmic Pro, and if too high, I'll wait until there's a firm favourite alternative.
Can someone please tell me where exactly I’m able to unblock the use of the gimbal in Mavis? I looked in the app settings, but there is no in app purchase, or anything that indicate that the app can be used with a gimbal. Also there is no mention of it on the Mavis website. Cheers!
It’s confusing to me as well. In the App Store it says you can purchase it, but I’ve purchased all the functions to my knowledge and I don’t see it either. I’m going to look into that.
@@iphoneographers thx you for your reply. The wheel in smooth 5 can use for zoom and focus in protake? Or maybe you want to make a review about protake and smooth 5, hahaha
Correct me if I’m wrong, but seems like FilmicPro is the only app able to shoot in real log profile. The others like Moment or Protake have their log profiles only as looks applied to the footage like a filter in Instagram. Here I have a question: does it make sense to shoot in 10 bit without log? AFAIK 10 bit 4:2:2 is required for color grading on post. But how will you color grade your footage shot in default profile (not flat or log)? Will someone help?
To my knowledge that is the case, yes. It’s a true logarithmic profile. The others are more or less filters. However, yes, shooting in 10 bit is a good idea regardless. And you can get good results w/o log for sure. Log is really designed to help with dynamic range while capturing the footage and then giving you more latitude for grading in post. But shooting log on a phone is not the same as shooting it on a traditional camera, you do definitely get some benefit, but not as much. This video might help… th-cam.com/video/BFacMUeMycU/w-d-xo.html
With apps that use their own library rather than the phone’s photo stream, can other apps (such as Luma Fusion) then see those libraries directly or do you have to mess about copying files within the phone before you can access them for editing?
I need to double check, but I think you can access those app folders via LumaFusion. But maybe not all of them. Otherwise you can save those to the LumaFusion directory or the Files app. And if you prefer to work that way, then most of these will let you save directly to the Photos app anyway.
Good alternatives for iphone, but if we talk about Android, then the filmic has not been a favorite there minimum for at least a year. Because mcpro24fps app with one payment for all cinematic features at once is much better and it had much more features than Filmic. Rating of Filmic in Google Play is about 3 stars, mcpro - 4.5. It's a whole abyss. My phone can shoot in Log up to 130Mbps. Really fantastic app!!!
Sounds like you’re in auto mode. If memory serves, you just slide either slider and once it’s set it locks. And there’s an auto button at the bottom you can release it.
@@iphoneographers I thought the same but no luck. I’ve read everything I can find and wrote an email to them but have not gotten a reply. I really want to use this app as it works with the time code generator I have.
I’ve tested it and not having that issue. It should definitely lock. Although you can get some shifts (in all apps) due to dynamic tone mapping, but typically only in low light and/or higher contrast moving shots. It’s possible you need to update the app or possibly delete it and reinstall. Mavis support isn’t always great. Hope you get it figured out.
I'm an advanced amateur, making nothing from my work. Given the number of great apps with reasonably close functionality (in some cases better) and the pricing of those apps, the market will seem to bear about $20-24/yr on subscription, at best. Further, I fully expect each of these competing apps to jump quickly to fill functionality gaps and grab a huge chunk of FilmicPro's market share, especially given the already horrific marketing errors made and breach of trust. I believe FilmicPro is going to be hurt, regardless of their pricing decision at this point.
Preach!! That's what I want to here, lord I 8ate greedy bastids.
Regarding Protake, they have a deal: $13.99 for the first year and then $19.99 afterwards. It seems like the one I’m leaning towards. About ~$1.65 a month compared to $3 a WEEK? Absolutely worth it.
Nope. I'm not paying them a new camera every year to use the app I payed for. Several times too. Greesy and greedy of filmicpro.
If you already paid for & use it + any of the in-app purchases, we still get access to use it at no subscription charge. We just won’t have access to any new features, which kind of sucks but at least we’re grandfathered in for past purchases.
@@BBAACKE You know why I have paid this app several times?! It's because they have changed the name of it a few times so you had to buy it again and again. Then they said F-it and just raised the price.
I promise you that they make a new app called "Filmic Ultra" or something like that and that will have the sub and all the new features.
@@BBAACKE question, A popup came on my phone when I just tried to use it basically saying I have to accept the new subscription agreement or stop using the app? Did you accept the popup to keep using the app?
@@RogerBrenon I accepted it, but there was no further prompts for a typical in app purchase.
It just allows me to use it as it’s always been.
@@BBAACKE Thanks. It sure doesn't read that way though. Other people saying the same thing. Their drunk legal department is causing a lot of confusion and they are admitting their mistakes in the prompt were wrong.
although it may be an afterthought for many, an alternative to filmic pro with excellent app privacy is a big plus. any app that tracks users is a dealbreaker.
from your list, mavis and movie pro recorder have the best privacy rating according to the app store.
i remember when mavis beacon was a typing practice software.
I used Mavis Pro Camera because it was free and I could only shoot 1080p at 25fps. That was really all I needed and I got decent shots. If you wanted all the other full features to select from, you have to buy them or pay the full price for all the features.
I thought I’d do that later since I wasn’t doing much with the app and I was already planning to buy filmic pro.
I bought filmic pro and used it for quite a bit and it was decent. But I’m already used to managing Mavis Pro Camera.
Now Mavis has made the app a single purchase app on the App Store and those that had it when it was free get all the full features and don’t need to pay for anything. That update blew my mind because I had already bought filmic pro and kind of started to regret it. But then I thought “meh, I’ll just rotate between the two apps”.
But now Mavis Pro Camera is an even better experience for me.
At this point, it feels like I’m doing an ad for Mavis. 😂😂😂. Everyone should check it out. I think it is a better alternative to Filmic Pro. The app is $5.99 on the App Store I think.
Although it’s only avail for iOS.
Yeah, Mavis is great. I am still confused about their pricing though, maybe it depends on where you live. They still show in-app purchases, but I couldn’t find the gimbal functions, although I have purchased everything in the past. I need to do some research on that. But I do think it’s a really solid app.
Yay!! I’ll be purchasing Mavis Pro Camera!!! ❤
Thank God MoviePro has a remote, that's a huge plus when filming yourself.
The rest, film emulations and everything, I can overcome having paid them for naught, but a lack of Remote App would be a turn off for Filmic remplacements.
Agreed. MoviePro is the only app that offers it. I've established that it works, but I haven't done a full blown video with the apps yet.
Why can’t apple just update their native camera app! I use the native app more than I use filmic pro cause it’s so convenient but I HATE you don’t have manual control. I guess that’s by design to make it simple for everyone. But just make another “pro” option in the setting menu to turn on an off for those who want more control.
I think they will eventually build the future iPhone camera native app to run just like filmic pro or better
@@jayoils123 yeah I think so too. I feel
Like since apple is going hard on their camera and video specs more recently to market towards creators it just makes sense for a total overhaul of the native app within the next few generations. I have the 13 pro max now. So I’m skipping the 14 but I hope by 15 or 16 we’ll see a better app implemented.
Apple will never release their own pro app becos they want to encourage a healthy competitive third-party playing field, you know, capitalism
That would be nice. Even just the ability to lock settings independently would be great.
I have had filmic pro for years the one feature I love is the remote. So after your video I will probably try Movie pro with its remote.
The real problem here, is that there is no guarantee that someone (or even the same company that bought out FilmicPro) won't buy the alternate app(s) and start charging a subscription as well. As long that is the case, I'd say your real choice is between the native Camera app (at least until it occurs to Apple to start charging for features on a monthly basis) and whichever app does what you need regardless of price.
thats why i was leaning to go for the one bought by atomos, I'm from a 3rd world country and paid filmic pro right before they went subscription model and I can use it on my new phone.
Since we purchased with the understanding that it was a one time purchase shouldn’t they refund those of us who do not subscribe?
I feel the same. "One time purchase" no longer means what we think it means. Although a program in a different category, the art program Clip Studio Paint is also moving to subscription. Many users are upset at the change. The feeling of security, ownership, and community that comes with "one time purchase", no longer has...purchase. I don't want to change the conversation. I just thought of Clip Studio Paint as a similar example.
The V6 app is not going away, at least no time soon. They’ve committed to keeping it updated with iOS for the foreseeable future. But I hear what you’re saying. I suggested to them that the new subscription model should actually be a new app, not just a new version.
I'm currently exploring a class action lawsuit against Filmic Pro for the bait and switch they pulled with Filmic v7 against perpetual license holders while keeping the name of the original app and even keeping all the reviews associated with it in the iOS app store which should be illegal. I'm also going to petition for Apple to make them start over with zero reviews since all the reviews are now invalid for the app since it's not the same app people paid for when they wrote the reviews. Also, the Filmic Legacy app, icon and name isn't what I paid for and my receipt from Apple still links to Filmic Pro, not Filmic Legacy since it still has all the reviews from the previous versions. If they are going to take functionality away from existing users they need to create a new app in the marketplace with a new name and leave the existing app up for owners to continue to download and use from the original install location in the store. If you're interested in joining let me know by the same name on Twitter.
Don't forget that some people on android can't see the option to download the legacy version, so I bought an app in 2021 that I can't no longer use!!!
Go for it dude, I'm guessing this would only for the US customers?
I want to thank you for for taking so much time reviewing these other app's. I started using Filmic Pro long ago because of recommendations from people like you.. I figured if pros are using it it must be a good product. It has served me well but I will not continue if it is more that 20 dollars a year. I like you, I already own beast cam and moment cam I am playing with protake and will look at the others you mentioned. I mainly make training videos for schools and when I am asked about software I was always comfortable recommending Filmic Pro but now I can't recommend a subscription based application.
Nice overview. I went ahead and bought the MoviePro bundle because I feel like Filmic is going to end up being way too expensive. I briefly played with the app and I agree it's inspired by FP. The remote seems to work well, but I only played with it for a minute or so. Stability is key with that and I know FP has had issues with that over the years.
It does allow you to shoot two cameras at the same time at the highest resolution. I think DoubleTake only allows 1080p, or it did when it first came out. Plus you can control it remotely (dual camera recording), as long as the remote device has at least an A12 chip. If not, then the remote locks up. I only have 1 that can shoot dual, the 11 Pro. It's not that big of a deal, but I could see using the wide and tele lenses at the same time for my talking head or some other combination for interviews.
I think the others have some great qualities. BeastCam for $1.99 might be worth it just to do it. Most of them would suit my basic needs, though I also want to have a separate library.
I'd agree that $20-30 per year for FP is reasonable, and I'd stay with FP for that. But $100+? No way.
Good to hear on MoviePro. I haven’t used it a lot, but it seems to work pretty well. Although stability is always a concern with any of these apps really. But filmic has been pretty stable for me recently anyway. I inquired recently if Filmic has made a decision on their pricing and they still haven’t. That’s going to be the key, I hope they make the right choice. :)
@@iphoneographers I can’t find one article or video about their gimbal support. There’s not much info out there on this app at all.
Hey, thanks for this video. I'm sure there are many people out there, with the news of FilmicPro going to a subscription based system, who aren't too happy with that model and want to find other means to shoot their videos.
Another completely disillusioned user of Filmic pro here. I have been using the Legacy version as I flatly refuse to pay more for it than my original purchase. I do not use any of the features really as my main camera is a Lumix g7 filming watch movements with an F2.8 100mm lens. I use an iphone 12pro for my B roll and bought the filmic remote app for ease of use. Now the remote app seems to be playing up for me and support is next to useless. I have had many occasion where the footage would reduce in volume or mute without me pressing anything other then the record button. As there is no scale on the layout you have no idea it has done this. The volume scale is a tiny white line at the bottom of the screen in portrait mode. After years of using the same setup it does this to me and I am basically told it must be me doing it.....
Now looking for alternatives and found your video and it would seem option one is for me as I just want the remote feature really. Thanks for making this comparison as it was very helpful.
Understood! You might also check out Cinema P3… th-cam.com/video/jJ9B89LF99g/w-d-xo.html
I refuse to pay monthly or yearly fees to use a program that was purchased without a subscription.
Thanks for the reviews. I am leaning towards Beastcam if FiLMiC goes to subscribe.
as a doco maker all i really want my video app to do is lock the white balance when i start recording (but detect via AWB, but not continually shift whilst filming). afaik Filmic Pro is the ONLY app that has this option.
If I understand correctly, I think most of these apps will actually do that in some form or fashion… Meaning AWB, then lock. But I know what you mean and filmic is really good about that, especially using the different modes.
I wouldn't rathered they raise the price substantially and then charge for future updates than a subscription model
I know workers have to be paid and funded to keep updating software so that's why I'm fine with higher costs and paying for updates. Only subscription soft use is Adobe and that's because my job provides it
One thing is certain, I will not be moving to a subscription based model, period.
Excellent video. Heads up/Warming… BeastCam is currently broken on the 14 ProMax (Pro too?). ProRes is no longer available and 10. Bit the screen goes crazy. They are aware of the problems but have not indicated a fix is coming soon.
Yeah that’s an issue, but fortunately only w the 14.
Do not use Filmic Pro. Do not support people that rip you off with things that ultimately ar based on other peoples achievements. Iphone is the reason they exists. Apps are supposed to be affprdable and in conjunction with the effort it needs to be kept alive. Fact is: you do not need filmic pro to make your work look awesome… any app with basic manual controls will do. Also if you’re a beginner - just learn by using the iphone native controls first. Once familiar you will know what ”else” you need… and soon you will choose any ol’ app. Content is king anyway…
great video lots to think about.... what would be the best one with a remote?,
i have to have a remote because my iPhone is so far away from me so controlling the app from my ipad is a must....
Really that’s either FiLMiC Pro or MoviePro regarding a remote app. You can still use legacy V6 on Filmic Pro if you already had it.
I'm not even an iPhone user but appreciate the content on this channel. I bought filmic pro a couple of years ago but if they force me to get into the subscription model, then I'll delete the app. I'm looking at Mcpro24fps.
Like you I have been using FiLMic Pro sense its inception. For the last year or so e have moved more to BeastCam and really haven’t looked back. I need to add that all our post editing is done with LumaFusion on iPad Pros. Switching from standard cams to mobile has been a game changer for us and more than tripled our business. It kinda makes me wonder what FiLMic is thinking?
That’s great to hear. The company who acquired FiLMiC Pro is the one doing this new pricing model, so I’m not sure how it will shake out in the end. I understand the need for consistent revenue, but got to be careful not to alienate your customer base.
I don’t have enough saved to buy an iPad Pro. Can I still edit video using the LumaFusion app on my iPhone 14 Pro? I’ll eventually save money for my iPad pro, but at the same time, I’d like to buy a professional camera first and a MacBook Pro first!
Something odd is happening with Filmic Pro without subscription. If you're not connected to the web the app will show an error message telling you that you're not connected to the web. So I guess the new owners of Filmic Pro want to know when are you using the app and who knows what else. I DON'T LIKE THIS. It invades my privacy. I paid for the app and whatever I do with it is none of their business. I really hope MAVIS offers true LOG in the future so I don't need to use Filmic Pro as long as it's subscription based.
That is not just a privacy issue (looks like a bad implementation of checking subscriptions). But it means that you can‘t use the app on a plane or outdoors in a remote location without network connection.
I had that happen one time but after it checked that it doesn’t do it anymore. I usually shoot in airplane mode so I have all connectivity turned off and it’s working ok. If that continues you might try reinstalling the app.
Thanks again Blake, another nice non-biased review, keep the great work up mate.
Manufactures limit access to third-party developers. For example Samsung locks out access to their excellent 3x and 10x telephotos to developers and I use those lenses all the time on my Samsung Galaxy phone. Therefore I use Samsung's native Pro Video OEM app which is very good.
Did you fill in the "what do you think about a subscription model" survey that came up when you launch Filmic? "Absolutely not" was my answer to just about every question. "What would convince you otherwise?" Nothing. "Tell us more..." Are you being serious right now?
I saw the survey but did not fill it out. Maybe I should have. :)
I had been using Filmic Pro since around 2016, despite it being consistently buggy and counterintuitive, and constantly losing audio trying to get it to work with the Shure MV88 stereo mic. But it allowed touchscreen control of focus independent of exposure -- which Apple's iOS Camera app did not. Absolutely crucial for controlling blowouts in live performance music video. I finally abandoned it in 2021 when I got an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Upon opening Filmic Pro, it would bizarrely flip to portrait mode or upside down, I don't remember exactly. Filmic Pro tech support had been very helpful over 5 years, and yeah there was a workaround -- clunky but livable. But this was a last-straw moment -- I just gave up, and have been living with iOS Camera.
Without a major user interface revision and stronger software engineering standards, moving to a WEEKLY subscription model seems analogous to dispersing its installed base with water jets.
I'd much prefer paying more up front -- say $50 instead of the $20 or so it was, and pay for upgrades -- rather than the subscription model feeling of being constantly dinged, and time-wasting overhead keeping track required.
Beastcam sounds promising. I'd used MAVIS on and off, seemed like it wasn't being updated; apparently it is as of this 15Sep2022 video.
Check out the Cinema P3 camera probably my new fave one-time cost app now… th-cam.com/video/jJ9B89LF99g/w-d-xo.html
I still haven't decided what to use instead, and that works with Zhiyun Smooth 5, with my iPhone. Tried a few but could not decide. What is your best choice?
Hmmm.. does any of these have android version?
No CinemaP3? - Great Video and thanks for doing all the groundwork. Merry Christmas from DownUnder Cheers
Did a solo video on Cinema P3… th-cam.com/video/jJ9B89LF99g/w-d-xo.html Cheers!
I know you're iPhone focused, but this is a subject where Android suggestions would be really helpful too.
Yes please!
I second your comment!😀
The best for Android as of now is Mcpro24fps, ProTake and Motion Cam
I often try to show cross-platform stuff, and FiLMiC Pro is available on both and so it’s Protake. From what I understand heroic vision above is correct. I’ve been wanting to try Mcpro24fps myself.
Whatever path we choose to go forward, we all need to understand that whichever app solution we choose is merely a temporary option. What may be considered a viable option today, may also end up taking an unexpected turn. Once an app reaches full maturity, ALL developers will strongly consider cashing in either by selling out to another concern or adapting to a subscription model. Nothing lasts forever.
Not all developers are thinking like that. The case of FilmicPro is anyway special, since they were bought by 'Bending Spoon', a company that is obviously specialized on cashing out successful apps. BTW, they also bought Evernote. So leaving FilmicPro behind you is unavoidable.
Well, we will move to the other ones till they reach their "full maturity" and off to the next one, what's hard in that?
This is BS. Complete and utter BS.
@@igakoga2481YESSSS!!!!!! Thank you!
I made all my TH-cam vids with filmic Pro so far but I was thinking about dropping filmic Pro and using my s21 Pro video native app for a while. The main reason is that the in phone app has access to 8k. Subscription by filmic pro just made my decision so much easier.
These are all only available for IOS. Im from the Philippines most of us here are Android users, Filmic pro is the only Camera Control app available here and its getting expensive for me.
I currently don’t make any money from video editing, so there’s no way to justify the pricing plan for filmic pro. It’s really unfortunate, considering how much money I did invest in all of the filmic Pro apps, and add-ons.
I will continue to use filmic legacy for as long as it’s available, but I’m certainly trying out all these other apps to look for a better permanent replacement.
Hello, I´m trying Cinema 3P pro since Filmic Pro decided to spoiedl themselves by the subscription hell. But I can´t find the remote function (very useful), and the other fault is, there´s no function for my zizhum gimbal. Please help
I've been exploring Filmic Pro for a few months as an occasional vlogger. There's no way of pay £50.99 a year for this but would like to continue using this version of it. I'd consider £20/ year
Just in case, I've bought Beastcam which currently is only £1.79.
Definitely understood and BeastCam is very good.
Great review! Can i mirror the iPhone camera to the iPad using BeastCam or ProTake like FilmicPro does?
If you’re talking about using their remote app, you can do that with MoviePro.
MoviePro also has "Clean HDMI Out" for those who would like to use their iPhone as a studio camera. I don't think any of the others have that. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
Protake has it as well. Thanks!
@@iphoneographers Interesting. I guess you have be a subscriber to even see that that is an option. I couldn't see it poking around on the free version, and I didn't see it in the description of the app either.
I didn't think to just try plugging in the cable. It works on the free version just fine.
Yep been left them for protake
You mentioned MoviePro, BeastCam and others and all what they offered but, you forgot shooting in the Flat/Log/RAW profile for colorgrading in post, does any of this app offer this very thing? I can't possibly be the only one wondering about this am I? Yeah, the Moment App but, you said it's not real Log so...hmm
I use Beastcam, I like it more than Filmic pro.
How about cinema p3 pro app.
I've tried CinemaP3 and it is really good. Could you do a real review of it. I seem to think it has been underrated. Thanks!
That was one on my list for this but I decided not to include it because it’s new to me, but it does look good and I will be adding that in a future video.
@@iphoneographers If the developer makes a couple more tweaks I think he would have a real winner! I don't know why more people haven't checked it out. It needs more reviews on TH-cam and the App Store. I think you will find it impressive with the work he has done. I have "no skin in the game," so it is just my opinion from using it. Also, Beastgrip and P3 have been my go to. Much fewer problems than with FilmicPro and easier to use with all the bells and whistles. Thanks!
Filmic Pro performs poorly for clean HDMI video connected via HDMI cable to a PC. The video feed is choppy. I stopped using it a while ago.
Nice video! I’ve been playing with cinema p3 app lately and have been enjoying its feature set especially for price of pro version
The links are all Apple store links and I have an Android...I am a new user but want something that is top. I understand Filmic Pro is top but what are a couple of top Android apps very similar to Filmic Pro, paid or not? Thank you for including direct links in your answers!
Try MCPro24fps www.mcpro24fps.com/
@@iphoneographers Thank you! Bought it and will compare to Protake and to Filmic Pro. Do you think I will be covered using only one of these, and if yes which one?
You would be covered using any one of those for sure. In many ways, it comes down to a subjective choice. But I do think FiLMiC Pro updates the most, and Protake is probably the least updated.
I’m going to stick with Filmic Pro 6 for the foreseeable future (while they still support it) because I do like it and I’m comfortable using it, but I am angry that they can do what they’ve done to people who paid full price for the app. To start charging more money - and on an ongoing basis too - is outrageous. A complete betrayal of trust between company and customer.
Unfortunately, I didn't realize the change when I upgraded a few months ago. I'm pissed that I paid for both the app and the cinema pack for v6 and can't use either now. Add to that the fact that my current videos are held hostage because you can't export without paying.
You can simply roll back to V6. Go to the information menu and choose download Legacy V6.
@@iphoneographers Yeah, found the Legacy version and was able to move the clips over after I posted. Thanks for the assist, though.
Can I use my airpods as microphone when shooting video in any of the apps? Like Beastcam? Hope you can answer
Yes, many apps will let you record with a Bluetooth microphone.
Looking for an App where I can use a 2nd device (iPad, etc) as a monitor for filming uke videos on iPhone (back camera) so I can see what is being filmed. Don’t need a ton of Pro controls. App must have remote control ability to view the iPhone. Saw that Filmic Pro did this but subscription way too expensive. Is Movie Pro / Movie Pro Remote the only app you reviewed here that has that ability ? Do you know of any other apps that can do this function. Thanks
The only one I know of besides Filmic Pro is MoviePro. You could also get a Lightning to HDMI adapter and go out to an external monitor.
Glad I found this. I was about to purchase FilmicPro but now there’s no price. I installed the app and before I could even open it and try it out I was hit with a prompt to agree with their terms of service. As soon as I read that they sell their user’s data, I stopped reading and immediately uninstalled the app. One of FilmicPro’s top features for me is automatic de-squeezing of anamorphic footage. Unfortunately, de-squeezing was not mentioned in your review of these FP alternative apps.
I think most if not all the apps here that allow for anamorphic will also desqueeze.
It's funny because I love Protake and haven't used it in about a month because I haven't shot anything recently. So I was surprised to see that damn shutter/iso wheel there which is one of my biggest gripes about Filmic Pro. I HATE the way it works in FIlmic Pro. I guess they redesigned the interface a little to make it more familiar to folks leaving Filmic. Lol. But I like the way Protake implements it.
Didn’t notice that it had changed! I’m not a consistent user of Protake. But that’s interesting.
In your opinion what’s the best app for moving time lapse
Probably SkyFlow
That price for Filmic is crazy... I would invest that money in a professional camera instead of an app. I recently bought the smooth 5 gimbal because it was fully compatible with Filmic... now a punch in my ****, do you know which of the apps that you mention before can control focus etc with smooth 5? even stacam which is the app for the gimbal is subscription mode (prime +), I'm afraid that all the companies before or later will move to subscriptions model because is a way to get money for ever. Companies like Filmic have grow up because of the help of many many indie filmmakers that contributed to give a good reputation and name to the app.
I need to look into that regarding the Smooth 5. Since I use FiLMiC Pro for 99% of stuff I’m just not sure of the exact compatibility with others. Many of them just have a checkmark for “gimbals“.
What the fudge. I bought the app, Cine kit, remote and film packs (Not something I need but bought it to support them). And now they want me to subscribe to keep something I already bought???
Hopefuly you can use without sub.taking a app away from some one that paid,is stealing.
The current V6 app isn’t going anywhere. You’ll still have full access to that. Going forward, though with V7 (whenever that’s released), it’ll be a subscription app. That’s the most current info Filmic has relayed.
@@iphoneographers Got it, thanks a lot. Maybe its time to buy MoviePro before Appstore mark-up here in EU.
Do any of these apps allow you to view the shot on an iPad or Mac live?
MoviePro has a remote app like Filmic Pro.
The feature I use Filmic Pro for is clean HDMI out. Which app also does clean HDMI out? Thanks!
MoviePro has clean HDMI out & a Remote app!
@@TomQsTechTips , nice!!! Thanks!
Blake thanks for this. Which alternative app is best integrated with Osmo gimbals? Right now I run and gun and can control exposure, focus and recording with FP combined with OM4. Just tried moment but it’s can’t do both focus and exposure from the gimbal controls. Thanks.
subscription? Nope. Nope. Nope. I shoot video as a hobby, I don't make money off it. I have no issues with paying (as I did with Filmic Pro) but not going to be paying monthly for an app I won't be using monthly.
In short; nope.
Have you tried pro Camera, it's got auto racking, very smooth?
what happens to the money i paid for the app before it was subscription based?
You’re either a videographer, photographer, or not. The films or images start and end in the creators mind and having the latest camera, iPhone and App isn’t going to turn you into an overnight artist. I get fed up hearing about Cinematic and other such effects when some of the best and most creative images I’ve ever seen were created with no more than a pin hole camera or a more modern Fujifilm small portable device. That’s why I won’t be subscribing to an expensive Filmic Pro app but rather shall be concentrating more on improving my creativity and techniques as opposed to placing my trust in an app where I simply need to press a box in which to achieve automatic focus which may or may not be relied upon to be accurate.
Thank you for posting the video! Could you review the MAVIS App in various scenarios, environments, lenses, and video examples?
Will take that into consideration, thanks for watching!
I’m keeping both apps and I’m gonna do the tedious thing of filming my shots on Filmic Pro 7, and going into Files app just to transfer my footage from v7 to Legacy.
Interesting hack (albeit tedious as you say) if it’ll work.
Thanks for posting this! I just picked up BeastCam tonight for the 1.99 price. Looks like a great option for the small money!
BeastCam is great. Right now they do have a bug with the iPhone 14 Pro though so just beware for using a later phone. A fix is in the works though.
@@iphoneographers good to know. I just went to the 13 Pro.
Thanks for this...I really hate that I purchased the FP app initially and now it's going to a subscription model. Really disappointed in FP and will no longer be using it. Thank you for showing us some alternatives. Anyone that already has the app should be grandfathered in, to me at least, like you I promote them a LOT and won't any longer. Honestly hope this backfires on them...really bad decision.
How do you get to purchase the in app option on Mavis pro? Can’t seem to find it.
I've used ProMovie on several occasions. However, it changes shutter speed to 40 whenever exposure is changed, and I can't figure out why.
I haven’t used it enough to comment in depth, but are you saying even when it’s locked it does that? Typically when it’s locked it won’t move even when you adjust the ISO. Although, if you’re adjusting the overall “exposure” it does it with ISO and shutter combined (unless one or both are locked). Hope that makes sense.
Question, A popup just came up when I tried to use the app forcing me to accept a new terms subscription to continue use or delete the app? What the hell am I accepting? I'm NOT paying these people again for a subscription service. Can I accept the use of the app without accepting payments for a subscription? What happens if I accept?
If you are a current user then you just accept it, and nothing will change with your V6 app. It’s mainly referring to V7 and the subscription whenever that is released. Going forward it will be a different cost if you want to upgrade. Otherwise you can continue to use V6 as is.
@@iphoneographers Thanks. I was one of the ones who received their admitted mistake in wording on the acceptance. Supposedly it's changed now on the agreement. They caused a lot of confusion.
My ProTake+ app (on iPhone 14Pro MAX) wont connect with my gimbal Zhiyun smooth-q3... can anyone help?
Hi, a very nice review and alternatives, i do have a question does beastcam app save Raw photos in in Raw or DNG format? Thank you
DNG. Thanks for watching!
@@iphoneographers thank you
Thanks for the review. Leaning towards ProTake.
Another vote for CinemaP3.
I love Mavis, but an issue I’ve faced with the app is they have a bug with their data rate recording. For example, I can select 100 mbps 4k footage, but it will only record 55 mbps. I’ve contacted Mavis about, but haven’t heard back yet. Here’s hoping. Until then, Protake is a great app.
That is one negative to Mavis is that their app updates are few and far between. Typically it’s been pretty solid though, but that is something to consider.
Loving Beastcam.
I want to see what the pro res 4444 looks like
Main question to even slightly consider of even buying a subscription on FilmicPro, even though I have purchased the app, cinematographer’s kit and filmic remote (and upgrading from iPhone 11pro) would be to know if cinematic mode is integrated in Filmic. I don’t know the answer to that (and also doubt that they have integrated it)
It’s not integrated at this point, although I have a sneaking suspicion they’re going to do something like that because Bending Spoons acquired Focos too (DOF app) and now FiLMiC Pro. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they get combined in some fashion.
@@iphoneographers Thank you for the reply. Then until then, its a no-no any kind of subscription in my book (especially after paying a total of about 30-40 euros).
Also, beast cam looks awesome and was STILL in special offer 1.99 euros
Do any of the alternatives offer HDMI output so I can use the app as a webcam source like Filmic Pro?
Yes. ProTake and MoviePro, probably others too that I don’t know about.
Which app is good for anamorphic lenses.. one time payment app
Check out Cinema P3.
@@iphoneographers sir when record vide in cinema p3 ,, videos is not smooth .. when I take moving shorts and running shorts … so which frame setting I must do
What are they doing with customer who have already paid for the full thing?
The current V6 app isn’t going anywhere and so you’ll always be able to access that, at least for the time being. But the new version if you want to go with that will be a subscription. That’s my understanding right now anyway.
@@iphoneographers thank you for your excellent reply.
Are there any apps that have full support of dji osmo series? Seems only filmic can do it, but it overpriced.
I could be wrong, but I think FiLMiC Pro is the best option for DJI.
@@iphoneographers it was... Before it introduced the 50 bucks subscription even for those who purchased the full version.
@@iphoneographers yea, but I don't expect that they will switch to a subscription for ~60$ USD after a full purchase. And they have a tons of bugs with Dji Osmo 6. I reported all that I found, but there is no expected fix estimation. It's really annoying. I even switched back to osmo 5 + filmic legacy for now.
Hallo. Can you recommend video app with LogV2,3? Except Filmic Pro.
Check out Cinema P3… th-cam.com/video/ILJ6YY1d3IU/w-d-xo.html
have you tried still using the old filmic V6? They want me to download a new app?
Yes, you can download the legacy V6 version as long as you had it before.
@@iphoneographers I've had it for years. Thanks I'll try it.
@@iphoneographers Should I allow the Filmic Legacy to access the microphone?
Did you ever try an iOS app call "Guerrilla"? I think it's good but doesn't have ProRes and 10 bit.
I have in the past, but not recently. Is that still around? Good to know I’ll add it to my list.
Do any of these alternatives have clean HDMI out via a lightning to HDMI dongle?
Yes. ProTake and MoviePro for sure, probably others too.
what do you think of procamera?
Haven’t used that one. Looks like it’s geared more towards social media, but does have a lot of features. My current favorite alternative is Cinema P3 - or BeastCam.
Will all of these apps to dual camera and HDMI clean feed?
No. Clean HDMI is ProTake and Cinema P3, maybe one more. Dual camera is MoviePro and ProTake.
Too early to switch. Let's first wait for what the final subs are for Filmic Pro, and if too high, I'll wait until there's a firm favourite alternative.
Agreed. I’m not going anywhere yet, but a lot of people are interested in alternatives regardless because they won’t do a subscription either way.
Can someone please tell me where exactly I’m able to unblock the use of the gimbal in Mavis?
I looked in the app settings, but there is no in app purchase, or anything that indicate that the app can be used with a gimbal. Also there is no mention of it on the Mavis website. Cheers!
It’s confusing to me as well. In the App Store it says you can purchase it, but I’ve purchased all the functions to my knowledge and I don’t see it either. I’m going to look into that.
Hello, what's the app that support full feature zhiyun smooth 5 and anamorphic lens beside filmic pro? thank you
I don’t think there is one. 😆 I need to do some more testing though.
@@iphoneographers thx you for your reply. The wheel in smooth 5 can use for zoom and focus in protake? Or maybe you want to make a review about protake and smooth 5, hahaha
Which of these apps can auto desqueeze footage for my 1.33 anamorphic lens.?
Most, if not all, can do that. But take a look at Cinema P3 as it’s probably the best one. But BeastCam is good, too.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but seems like FilmicPro is the only app able to shoot in real log profile. The others like Moment or Protake have their log profiles only as looks applied to the footage like a filter in Instagram. Here I have a question: does it make sense to shoot in 10 bit without log?
AFAIK 10 bit 4:2:2 is required for color grading on post. But how will you color grade your footage shot in default profile (not flat or log)? Will someone help?
To my knowledge that is the case, yes. It’s a true logarithmic profile. The others are more or less filters. However, yes, shooting in 10 bit is a good idea regardless. And you can get good results w/o log for sure. Log is really designed to help with dynamic range while capturing the footage and then giving you more latitude for grading in post. But shooting log on a phone is not the same as shooting it on a traditional camera, you do definitely get some benefit, but not as much. This video might help… th-cam.com/video/BFacMUeMycU/w-d-xo.html
@@iphoneographers anyway, no filmic pro means no real log profile on the phone. Sad((
Hope these guys lose tons of money and realize they screwed up.
With apps that use their own library rather than the phone’s photo stream, can other apps (such as Luma Fusion) then see those libraries directly or do you have to mess about copying files within the phone before you can access them for editing?
I need to double check, but I think you can access those app folders via LumaFusion. But maybe not all of them. Otherwise you can save those to the LumaFusion directory or the Files app. And if you prefer to work that way, then most of these will let you save directly to the Photos app anyway.
@@iphoneographers Thanks
Good alternatives for iphone, but if we talk about Android, then the filmic has not been a favorite there minimum for at least a year. Because mcpro24fps app with one payment for all cinematic features at once is much better and it had much more features than Filmic. Rating of Filmic in Google Play is about 3 stars, mcpro - 4.5. It's a whole abyss. My phone can shoot in Log up to 130Mbps. Really fantastic app!!!
Yeah, I wish they would make that for iOS. I’ve heard good things.
The moment pro camera app does not support android anymore... (:
A good alternative (9 months later) is Cinema P3.
I can’t seem to keep the iso/shutter to lock in Mavis. The slider moves on its own even when not in auto. I’m sure I’m missing something.
Sounds like you’re in auto mode. If memory serves, you just slide either slider and once it’s set it locks. And there’s an auto button at the bottom you can release it.
@@iphoneographers I thought the same but no luck. I’ve read everything I can find and wrote an email to them but have not gotten a reply. I really want to use this app as it works with the time code generator I have.
I’ve tested it and not having that issue. It should definitely lock. Although you can get some shifts (in all apps) due to dynamic tone mapping, but typically only in low light and/or higher contrast moving shots.
It’s possible you need to update the app or possibly delete it and reinstall. Mavis support isn’t always great. Hope you get it figured out.
@@iphoneographers I have the same experience (14 Pro). Switched to manual but it keeps jumping back, both ISO and shutter
Interesting. Might be a bug? I admittedly don’t use this app regularly, but when I do (including my recent tests) I haven’t encountered that.