Rob, I have a R3, R6 and R6 MK II. I have to say the R6 MK II wipes the floor with the R3 considering it's a fraction of the cost ! People call me crazy when I say this but it's true, the frame rate, sensor and AF are something else on the R6 MK II, my advice to anyone would be save your money and get a R6 MK II and buy decent glass with the money you save on not buying a R3.
I also have the R3 and R6-II, and I'm still more comfortable with the R3. Rolling shutter is still an issue for much of the sports I shoot, so that means I have to use mechanical shutter with the R6-II. I totally agree the R6-II has more value, but I love my R3!
I am using the R7, and the R6ii ( the R6ii was $2499 here, so no idea that the price was so high in the UK! ) they work great together, I shoot football( soccer) Lacrosse,, Boxing and basketball. Moved from rebel t7ti, 90D, to where I am now
The R6 II has 40 FPS and a much faster electronic shutter than the R6. It is leagues above the Mark I as a sports camera. Even the R8 is a decent sports camera.
I currently own R7, R5 and R3. R3 is my main full frame camera. R7 is use for traveling and something small to bring with me. I only use RF-S and RF STM lens on R7. So basically R7 is like my 2nd camera. All my RF L glasses will be use on my R3 and R5. The R5 was used to be my main until I got the R3. Now the R5 is mainly toward videos with the Atomos Ninja V+.
i have a different take. I see no reason to buy an R6 or R7 over an R8 (which has a significantly better sensor). The $1000 upgrade would be the R6ii (more features) or a used R5 (more resolution). The R3 (which I own btw) isnt much of an upgrade over the R6ii unless you need silent shooting or water resistance.
I am buying R7. R8 is nice but can't trust it. Seen the banding and distortion of the R8 in sports shooting. R8 uses smaller battery and one card slot. Depends what you plan to use camera for. I intend on shooting my kids sports R7 seems to fill my needs perfectly.
R7 gets you 60% closer to the action than R8, which is helpful in sports. R8 does not have IBIS, also very helpful for stabilizing video for us hybrid shooters. These may not appeal to everyone however
@Rob Sambles Something to look out for though as I have sent it in once and it wasn't fixed... After 4 hours of shooting on the 4-5 battery the expanded area 9 point reticle locks to the left side and of course they couldn't find anything wrong with it. Luckily their guys that answer the phone are awesome and he gave me a fix to where I push the * and it forces it to the center. The only fix before was to reset the camera and lose 15 min of shooting which is 6 or 7 matches and is NOT cool! I have a 30k shutter count.
Thanks Rob. I think you will be extremely pleased with the image quality of your R7. I think you’ll find you’ll get a sharper more detailed photograph then on your R6 once you crop in equivalently. I have the R7 and R5. I have shot them side-by-side on tripod controlled tests, outdoors, and I’ll be darned if I can spot a noticeable difference even if zoomed in 100%. The difference in price I’d rather have the savings and invest in a killer sports lens because we know they are very expensive from Canon. I would love to know your thoughts on the side-by-side test.
I've owned the 3, 5 and 6. For sports, I enjoyed them the most in that order. That said, I have moved away from sports and just kept the R5 for my personal use. I will not be shooting in a downpour anymore, so the pro body is no longer a priority. It was also the most used of my bodies, so it had the smallest percentage of its value remaining. I also took more of my favorite images with it than the others. Finally, if you're shooting in daylight, the cropability of the R5 is insane. I've photographed goal-line stands in American football and goalkeepers in soccer from behind the opposite goal line and easily cropped to a great usable image. One note of clarification: the R7 sensor is no larger than the R10 sensor and the R5 no larger than the R6.
Several times you mention "bigger sensor" when what you really mean is "more resolution" The sensor is the same size. For comparison, if you said the R6 has a bigger sensor than the R10, you would be correct, as full-frame bodies do have a bigger sensor. (The physical dimensions are larger, not how many pixels are fit into it) This is why the R6 is better at low-light than the R7 or R10- the bigger the sensor, the bigger the pixels *usually*, and so the less noise they produce at higher ISOs) Another thing, I TOTALLY agree with you that the R6mkii isn't worth the upgrade, however you asked if there was any difference in them. From my understanding, the major improvement made is battery life.
Hi Rob great videos, learning a lot from your videos. Rob thinking of trading in my Canon 1DX Mk3 for the new Canon R3 Mirrorless, what are your thoughts. I photograph rugby for my local team strictly on an amateur basis.
Very useful. Just started migrating over to canon. Unfortunately Nikon could not give a clear route for progression to mirrorless. Even migrating did not give clear indication of focusing update. Still would to update lens. Migrating to canon r7 and changing lenses to cannon.
I have an R6 and need another body for my main and R6 becomes the backup camera. Thinking about R6ii or R5. I shoot primarily motorsports and portraits. What should I get? I love my R6 by the way.
Hi Rob, I’ve got a 1DX mark 2 wondering if you can help me with I want to try to set a secondary back button i.e. press one of the back buttons and it would be preset different setting can you help?
Another point to consider r7 and r10 do not have a grip. I have an r5 and use smaller lens with no grip. I have found 100-500mm balance in better with the grip. Especially for panning shots. I pre ordered an r7 and used it with 100-500mm and found the balance caused it to pivot a lot on my left hand. Made it really hard to get sharp panning shots. It was that bad wex allowed me to return it. Its just too small and weight of a grip would have stopped it moving around but they don't make a grip. In theory r7 has the crop factor and far away subjects should have more pixels on them but in practice I could always get sharper shots with the r5. 500mm vs 400mm on my old lens helps with the fact it's not a cropped sensor on the r5. Cropping a 500mm shot to 640mm (400mm x 1.6) still results in around 27mp. Bit disappointing as I used a 7d ii for a long time. As always other people may find no problems with it but it did not work for me.
Thanks for your work Rob! I was getting overwhelmed by the amount of camera systems. I don’t have time to keep up with the evolution of the R system and you clarified it.
Thank you for another informative and useful video. I'm at the stage where I'm tossing up between investing in an R5 or budgeting more wisely and going for the R6 (or even R7), but my decision will ultimately be based on what new lenses to invest in. It's often been said that spending money on the "glass" is the right way to go, and so I'm erring towards the R6 rather than the R5. So that begs the question, are you doing a video about favourite lenses that marry up with these cameras. I'm not a sports photographer, my emphasis is on travel and landscape and I'm doing (and enjoying) more street photography. Thanks again for your insightful videos.
So I'm torn and not rreally sure which way to go. I currently shoot with a 90d and a 7d mii. I'm looking to make the move to mirrorless and I shoot mainly sports but I have lately been picking up portrait shoots as well. My long term vision is to get the r1 (use with a 300/400) when it comes out next year but would like a second body (use with my 70-200) i would like to purchase now to compliment each other. So the question, would you recommend the r5 or the r6 mii as my second body. Right now I'm mainly field sports but also been doing some portraits and fashion. Just looking for a great camera for now with an eye on the r1 next year.
One more thing: I HAVE to say this again: you mention "sports". I guess my pro photography work is a lot different than yours. I do mostly girls volleyball and dance competitions. Also, I sell images onsite. You mentioned that if you could afford it, you should use a R5 over an R6 for sports because of the extra resolution. For me, having smaller file sizes for jpeg images is a boon. You see, my pics go into my server and are communicated to half a dozen or more laptops that the kids come up to to make purchases. Already, the system can get gummed up because of the volume that we do. Having larger resolution images would just make that worse. (If you can't picture what I am saying, feel free to look at a couple of the videos I have here on youtube) Speed really is the key to our sales-the kids want to see the pics IMMEDIATELY after playing.
Would you go for a new r7 or secondhand r6 for similar price ? Also how have you found the shutter shock and af on the r7 as they seem to be common complaints
I’m upgrading from the Sony a6000 I mainly shoot college sports and concerts I used the eos R but it was too slow for me with the 8fps and it downed to 5ps so I was trying to decide on what to upgrade to next.
Thank you for this Video. I have been on the fence about buying a Mirrorless (Canon) and this video helped me with the decision of what cameras fits me best and my budget.
Thanks Rob for the comparison. My 2 cents worth… Marry the Lens, date the body is what’s been preached to me. Figure out what your lens budget is and pick the body afterwards…. If you’re buying L lenses then for me it’s 1DX, R3, R5, R6m2….
Great tip. I married the body and hire the lens by the hour, depending on the sporting event. With regular discounts it will take me 7-8 years of 3 day rentals to add up to the used price of the killer Canons such as the 300 2.8 Ii or 400 D.O. 4 Ii
For wildlife and landscape R5 all the way for the mp the R3 is great but for wildlife the more mp the better, have shot even at 12800 iso and not a problem. R3 is a pro sports photography camera for the sure it can do everything else but on sports shesh it rocks.
I have the R and I agree, I would avoid it for sports but it's still capable of shooting sports pretty well. The main issues are the AF system is less advanced than say the R6 MKI but still better than most if any DSLR, also the capture rate drops to 5fps in servo AF. I've shot sports with the R and been happy with the result, but I'm only a hobby shooter and can see why it wouldn't be good for professional sports shooting. It's probably still the best bang for buck full frame mirrorless in the active Canon range. I still have mine and it's my main camera with no intention to upgrade anytime soon. I'm mostly landscape and street which it's superb for.
Rob, I have a R3, R6 and R6 MK II. I have to say the R6 MK II wipes the floor with the R3 considering it's a fraction of the cost ! People call me crazy when I say this but it's true, the frame rate, sensor and AF are something else on the R6 MK II, my advice to anyone would be save your money and get a R6 MK II and buy decent glass with the money you save on not buying a R3.
Very interesting - thanks for sharing
I also have the R3 and R6-II, and I'm still more comfortable with the R3. Rolling shutter is still an issue for much of the sports I shoot, so that means I have to use mechanical shutter with the R6-II. I totally agree the R6-II has more value, but I love my R3!
I am using the R7, and the R6ii ( the R6ii was $2499 here, so no idea that the price was so high in the UK! ) they work great together, I shoot football( soccer) Lacrosse,, Boxing and basketball. Moved from rebel t7ti, 90D, to where I am now
The R6 II has 40 FPS and a much faster electronic shutter than the R6.
It is leagues above the Mark I as a sports camera.
Even the R8 is a decent sports camera.
I currently own R7, R5 and R3. R3 is my main full frame camera. R7 is use for traveling and something small to bring with me. I only use RF-S and RF STM lens on R7. So basically R7 is like my 2nd camera. All my RF L glasses will be use on my R3 and R5. The R5 was used to be my main until I got the R3. Now the R5 is mainly toward videos with the Atomos Ninja V+.
I have read somewhere, that the autofocus in the R6 ii is the same as in the R3 and a huge upgrade.
The R3 has eye detect-this makes a difference from what I've heard
i have a different take. I see no reason to buy an R6 or R7 over an R8 (which has a significantly better sensor). The $1000 upgrade would be the R6ii (more features) or a used R5 (more resolution). The R3 (which I own btw) isnt much of an upgrade over the R6ii unless you need silent shooting or water resistance.
Very interesting thanks
I am buying R7. R8 is nice but can't trust it. Seen the banding and distortion of the R8 in sports shooting. R8 uses smaller battery and one card slot. Depends what you plan to use camera for. I intend on shooting my kids sports R7 seems to fill my needs perfectly.
R7 gets you 60% closer to the action than R8, which is helpful in sports. R8 does not have IBIS, also very helpful for stabilizing video for us hybrid shooters. These may not appeal to everyone however
@@unknownKnownunknowns id rather have better low-light ability over built-in reach. you can always move up in lens size or add a tc.
@@riotrob I had a 2x TC v III and sold it b/c the IQ degradation was pretty severe. I rarely shoot sports in low light, so not an issue on my end
I use the R5 for Jiu Jitsu tournaments inside gyms where I have to stop action and also portraits...It just doesn't get any better...
Yeah it's one hell of a camera
@Rob Sambles Something to look out for though as I have sent it in once and it wasn't fixed... After 4 hours of shooting on the 4-5 battery the expanded area 9 point reticle locks to the left side and of course they couldn't find anything wrong with it. Luckily their guys that answer the phone are awesome and he gave me a fix to where I push the * and it forces it to the center. The only fix before was to reset the camera and lose 15 min of shooting which is 6 or 7 matches and is NOT cool! I have a 30k shutter count.
Thanks Rob. I think you will be extremely pleased with the image quality of your R7. I think you’ll find you’ll get a sharper more detailed photograph then on your R6 once you crop in equivalently. I have the R7 and R5. I have shot them side-by-side on tripod controlled tests, outdoors, and I’ll be darned if I can spot a noticeable difference even if zoomed in 100%. The difference in price I’d rather have the savings and invest in a killer sports lens because we know they are very expensive from Canon. I would love to know your thoughts on the side-by-side test.
Hey, I am looking to get into sports photography with the R7, what lens would you recommend a used EF 70-200 IS II or RF 70-200
I've owned the 3, 5 and 6. For sports, I enjoyed them the most in that order. That said, I have moved away from sports and just kept the R5 for my personal use. I will not be shooting in a downpour anymore, so the pro body is no longer a priority. It was also the most used of my bodies, so it had the smallest percentage of its value remaining. I also took more of my favorite images with it than the others. Finally, if you're shooting in daylight, the cropability of the R5 is insane. I've photographed goal-line stands in American football and goalkeepers in soccer from behind the opposite goal line and easily cropped to a great usable image.
One note of clarification: the R7 sensor is no larger than the R10 sensor and the R5 no larger than the R6.
Several times you mention "bigger sensor" when what you really mean is "more resolution" The sensor is the same size. For comparison, if you said the R6 has a bigger sensor than the R10, you would be correct, as full-frame bodies do have a bigger sensor. (The physical dimensions are larger, not how many pixels are fit into it) This is why the R6 is better at low-light than the R7 or R10- the bigger the sensor, the bigger the pixels *usually*, and so the less noise they produce at higher ISOs)
Another thing, I TOTALLY agree with you that the R6mkii isn't worth the upgrade, however you asked if there was any difference in them. From my understanding, the major improvement made is battery life.
Hi Rob great videos, learning a lot from your videos. Rob thinking of trading in my Canon 1DX Mk3 for the new Canon R3 Mirrorless, what are your thoughts. I photograph rugby for my local team strictly on an amateur basis.
Audio is fine Rob!
Very useful. Just started migrating over to canon. Unfortunately Nikon could not give a clear route for progression to mirrorless. Even migrating did not give clear indication of focusing update. Still would to update lens. Migrating to canon r7 and changing lenses to cannon.
I have an R6 and need another body for my main and R6 becomes the backup camera. Thinking about R6ii or R5. I shoot primarily motorsports and portraits. What should I get? I love my R6 by the way.
Hi Rob, I’ve got a 1DX mark 2 wondering if you can help me with I want to try to set a secondary back button i.e. press one of the back buttons and it would be preset different setting can you help?
What do you think about using R3 for landscape photography?
Is this the best video ever??!!! Yes indeed... thank you.
Another point to consider r7 and r10 do not have a grip. I have an r5 and use smaller lens with no grip. I have found 100-500mm balance in better with the grip. Especially for panning shots. I pre ordered an r7 and used it with 100-500mm and found the balance caused it to pivot a lot on my left hand. Made it really hard to get sharp panning shots. It was that bad wex allowed me to return it. Its just too small and weight of a grip would have stopped it moving around but they don't make a grip. In theory r7 has the crop factor and far away subjects should have more pixels on them but in practice I could always get sharper shots with the r5. 500mm vs 400mm on my old lens helps with the fact it's not a cropped sensor on the r5. Cropping a 500mm shot to 640mm (400mm x 1.6) still results in around 27mp. Bit disappointing as I used a 7d ii for a long time. As always other people may find no problems with it but it did not work for me.
Thanks for your work Rob!
I was getting overwhelmed by the amount of camera systems. I don’t have time to keep up with the evolution of the R system and you clarified it.
Thank you man 👊
in product photography does R5 and R6ii allow strobe firing delay timing adjustment after each shot while focus stacking using mechanical shutter ?
Thank you for another informative and useful video. I'm at the stage where I'm tossing up between investing in an R5 or budgeting more wisely and going for the R6 (or even R7), but my decision will ultimately be based on what new lenses to invest in. It's often been said that spending money on the "glass" is the right way to go, and so I'm erring towards the R6 rather than the R5. So that begs the question, are you doing a video about favourite lenses that marry up with these cameras. I'm not a sports photographer, my emphasis is on travel and landscape and I'm doing (and enjoying) more street photography. Thanks again for your insightful videos.
I wouldn’t overlook the R8 as it’s nearly the R6ii. Hope you enjoy never the less
So I'm torn and not rreally sure which way to go. I currently shoot with a 90d and a 7d mii. I'm looking to make the move to mirrorless and I shoot mainly sports but I have lately been picking up portrait shoots as well. My long term vision is to get the r1 (use with a 300/400) when it comes out next year but would like a second body (use with my 70-200) i would like to purchase now to compliment each other. So the question, would you recommend the r5 or the r6 mii as my second body. Right now I'm mainly field sports but also been doing some portraits and fashion. Just looking for a great camera for now with an eye on the r1 next year.
Of those two depends on your budget. R5 if it suits
@@RobSambles thank you!
Which one is the best for product photography please?
Probably R5 but depends on preference
One more thing: I HAVE to say this again: you mention "sports". I guess my pro photography work is a lot different than yours. I do mostly girls volleyball and dance competitions. Also, I sell images onsite. You mentioned that if you could afford it, you should use a R5 over an R6 for sports because of the extra resolution. For me, having smaller file sizes for jpeg images is a boon. You see, my pics go into my server and are communicated to half a dozen or more laptops that the kids come up to to make purchases. Already, the system can get gummed up because of the volume that we do. Having larger resolution images would just make that worse. (If you can't picture what I am saying, feel free to look at a couple of the videos I have here on youtube) Speed really is the key to our sales-the kids want to see the pics IMMEDIATELY after playing.
Shoot CRaw or Jpeg?
@@unknownKnownunknowns JPEg. I only shoot Weddings RAW
Would you go for a new r7 or secondhand r6 for similar price ? Also how have you found the shutter shock and af on the r7 as they seem to be common complaints
I haven't extensively tested them yet but overall I've heard great things about R7 af
The R6 Mark II is far better than the R6... The autofocus is much better, the sensor is better, everything is just better....
I’m upgrading from the Sony a6000 I mainly shoot college sports and concerts I used the eos R but it was too slow for me with the 8fps and it downed to 5ps so I was trying to decide on what to upgrade to next.
Thank you for this Video. I have been on the fence about buying a Mirrorless (Canon) and this video helped me with the decision of what cameras fits me best and my budget.
Thanks for the comparison Rob.
That was A LOT of valuable information. I sincerely appreciate this!!!
Thanks Rob for the comparison. My 2 cents worth… Marry the Lens, date the body is what’s been preached to me. Figure out what your lens budget is and pick the body afterwards…. If you’re buying L lenses then for me it’s 1DX, R3, R5, R6m2….
Great tip. I married the body and hire the lens by the hour, depending on the sporting event. With regular discounts it will take me 7-8 years of 3 day rentals to add up to the used price of the killer Canons such as the 300 2.8 Ii or 400 D.O. 4 Ii
For wildlife and landscape R5 all the way for the mp the R3 is great but for wildlife the more mp the better, have shot even at 12800 iso and not a problem. R3 is a pro sports photography camera for the sure it can do everything else but on sports shesh it rocks.
Canon r3 and Nikon Z9 cameras I use
what a video thank you so much!!
The R5 is something I really want, but it’s too expensive for me. Instead, I got a R7. It has greatly pleased me.
Hi Rob, i would be glad to have your opinion about the new RF 100-300 2.8 for football, can it replace the use of two camera with 400 and 70-200
I'd love to try one out, haven't been able too yet
@@RobSambles how about your thoughts about it?
300 is just to short for soccer. ive found that game to require the longest lenses.
Looks like I'll be lugging my Dx2 around for many a year to come.
But, do I *upgrade my 5Ds?
Nahh, I'll pass on that one too.
For wildlife where you may need to crop a lot, the R5 is better than the R3.
in the day and age of used DSLR's with lenses for 100-250 with good quality i would feel dirty calling an 800 dollar camera a budget option
Great job love your thoughts 😊
Great video but the audio is a little distorted now and again
Nice one Rob
Did you forget R8?
Waiting for the r1
Audio sounds good…
R3 isn’t the flagship Rob, 1DX III is
What about the R?
The AF on the R is awful for most fast moving sports, my R stayed in the bag when I got my R6, the R6 II is the better option for FF IMHO.
Lovely camera for landscapes, portraits etc but not quick enough for sports in my view
I have the R and I agree, I would avoid it for sports but it's still capable of shooting sports pretty well. The main issues are the AF system is less advanced than say the R6 MKI but still better than most if any DSLR, also the capture rate drops to 5fps in servo AF. I've shot sports with the R and been happy with the result, but I'm only a hobby shooter and can see why it wouldn't be good for professional sports shooting.
It's probably still the best bang for buck full frame mirrorless in the active Canon range. I still have mine and it's my main camera with no intention to upgrade anytime soon. I'm mostly landscape and street which it's superb for.
Just maybe, the 1DX iii is better than an R6 but a 1DX iii is more R3 money