Roger & overrated being in the same sentence further highlights how far the fandom has fallen. Oda probably look at these people crazy for calling the Pirate King overrated.
drinking is a lot of times connected to aggression and violence, for example your alcoholic dad beating your mom, or the bar fights that happen every night.
Here's my take : Roger was very strong. But he was not so strong that fighting a yonko would've been a trivial manner. He purposely avoided direct conflict with Big Mom. Not because he couldn't win against her ; but because it would have been a difficult fight. So Roger was strong, but not to the point of "no diffing the whole verse" as power scalers would put it
Odda introducing legendary characters Garp - The hero of the marines, The uncrowned admiral Whitebeard - The strongest human Kaido - The strongest creature Mihawk - The strongest swordsman Shanks - The man with the strongest haki Pirate King Gol D. Roger - The man who never lost a battle It don't matter how strong or powerful you are, if you face Roger in battle, you will lose. Period. All those who managed to win a draw against Roger were legendary figures who were ultimately people he considered friends
@ which adds to it him deserving the title more, him not being as strong as other top tiers but becoming Pking via adventuring is some pirate shit imo. I feel like the PK title should be less about power and more about achievement
Yah fuck no …. Buddy never lost a battle only tied with garp and white beard … and the only time he was going to lose a battle was against Xebec but him and garp Jumped him. Stop This dumb shit
@@RomanVasquez-lf4tbyea he was one of the only people to ever get the one piece, even imu hasn’t gotten it and they control the whole world. His achievement is greater than anyone else currently except maybe imu who has been controlling the world for 800 years. King of the world > king of pirates
@@RomanVasquez-lf4tbhe is as strong as other top tiers, I still have him as equal to Prime Garp and slightly weaker than Prime Whitebeard If I would rank those top tier guys (Ignoring some, like Imu and Joyboy) it would be: Whitebeard >≈ Mihawk > Shanks ≈ Kaidou >≈ Prime Garp = Roger
1:20 there are many contexts about why Blackbeard retreats: 1- Hancock turned 2 of Blackbeard's commanders stone so they used them as bargaining chip to make Blackbeard retreat 2- Blackbeard was already fighting Sengoku and Garp, adding Shanks to these opponents are simply too much which is not only because of Shanks, its because combined forces of people who wants to stop Blackbeard (Sengoku+Garp+Shanks) 3- Blackbeard wasn't planning to fight Marines again and Sanjuan was in the sea needed to be rescued, plus his crew members Vasco Shot and Devon told Blackbeard they want to go to a different island, considering even WB retreated when fodder Marines attacked or Mihawk left his home island when fodder Marines attack, it would make no sense for Blackbeard to stay there when his crew was in danger and they wanted to leave. So this doesn't mean anything for Akainu, its a standard concept even for WB to retreat vs Marines because if they beat Marines they will send more Marines its basically pointless.
To be honest, on the Garp and Whitebeard debate on who took more damage. Garp got stabbed by Blackbeards 2nd strongest subordinate next to Kuzan. While Squardo isn’t even close to Shiryu in power. Granted I stil think Whitebeard can sustain more damage
5:27 firstly carrying onigashima was never said to weaken him also he wouldve won the clash against luffy if it did weaken him since the clouds were gone For the other fighters luffy did more damage then the rest of them combined while just in base not only that but multiple statements during the g5 fight confirm luffy was barely alive
Lmao I love how you think Roger is over ratted when we haven’t gotten the garp vs Roger animation yet or seen the onscreen fight between him and Shiki or the fight with him and garp fighting side by side at god valley
7:44 I actually never thought about this. It's wild how the Version 2 Hybrid Kaidou never makes a reappearance when fighting Gear 5 Luffy. Kaidou, after initially being taken off guard by Nika's freewheeling combat, simply adapts with his usual Hybrid form. We never actually see his strongest (shown) form against Luffys strongest form, tho we do see their strongest attacks against each other.
I swear these people put titles above everything and don't actually look at what the titles they are using to glaze mean for example "world's strongest swordsman" legit means most known skilled swordsmanship alone
Yes and i think that swordsman situation is the funniest bcuz we have direct statement from Zoro in Wano that despite King actively using a sword he is NOT a swordsman😭 So its not working like Mihawk agenda claims
Thank you for giving Roger the benefit of the doubt 🙏 I see way too many people underrating him when Shanks literally uses his techniques, and Kaido glazes him. I and allot of people have gotten over Roger not being the strongest but that doesnt mean everybody would beat or stand against him.
White beard in his prime and gol d roger during his final moments had some insane endurance. Their last battle against each other lasted 4 days. I feel like roger might have the same endurance (or more) as kaido if he was still in his prime.
3:10 here is the thing about the mental nerf argument You can just easily that garp was mentally nerfed and not just that you can also argue garps mental nerf was bigger
i believe roger is stronger then whitebeard by only a small amount but now that i think about it i believe whitebeard might be stronger in a sword fight its dead even but in a physical fight whitebeard is stronger i belive so its either a tie with blades or a win for whitebeard in physical combat
The mihawk glaze is out of hand. I literally just saw a guy on this comment section put him over roger, prime garp, kaido and shanks. Mihawk has no feats in the verse other than doing the same type of slash that post timeskip law did (but on a smaller scale than laws) and fighting vista 💀. Saying roger is overrated might aswell be the dumbest thing ive ever seen. the dude has the highest bounty in the verse currently and we know that bounties correlate to strength in some way and he went toe to toe with prime whitebeard even while having a fatal sickness which even though didnt decrease his power, probably wouldve fatigued him. hes also in kaidos top 5 and he basically half low diffed (i say half because oden got back up but they didnt continue fighting ) oden with 1 attack. The same attack that shanks used to 1 shot kidd and killer post wano. Whereas luffy dodged mihawks slash pre timeskip. Yall make no sense
I mean sick beard ditch the oxygen machine before the fight and ditched his medicine, just to not be pitied by his enemy. Now take the man having multiple heart attacks during his trashing of marine ford and sending magma brat running away underground, and make him a healthy old man, then take that healthy old man, and put him in his prime. Then have him fight Rodger for days to end in a draw.
It wasn't to not be pitied, it was more so to not openly show his enemies how much more frail he was now as an old man and not give them extra vigour and hope. 99% of Marines have only heard legends of Whitebeard never knowing his true strength, if the first thing they saw was a dude pulling up on life support a lot of the fear element of his reputation is instantly gone.
His power to change the world is not underrated. lol i’m kidding. I wanted to say something cringe. I wouldn’t take Twitter seriously anymore because everyone’s kind of profit motors because they get paid $20 now if they shit talk enough
The “World’s Strongest Creature” title given to Kaido is given to him unofficially by inhabitants of the world, unlike Mihawks title which is directly stated by Oda in an introductory box. Also I believe Kaido’s title as world’s strongest CREATURE is specifically meant to differentiate from Whitebeard’s title as world’s strongest man. This isn’t to say Kaido isn’t extremely powerful of course, but the idea of taking the “World’s Strongest Creature” title as undeniable, inarguable fact isn’t really supported.
From the way I saw Oda's response translated, It was more like "Not just anyone from the roger pirates could copy divine departure" rather than "Only Shanks could copy divine departure" so I'm sure Rayleigh could but not Sunbell or something. I also don't think he could use it at first sight but only after he learned conquerors infusion and ryou which he probably did in his late teens, early twenties. Pretty good but nothing unexpected
0:38 nah i can list somethings that get roger above every current one piece character exluding imu(hell roger might be stronger than imu due to imu dropping on her knees after joyboy haki release and some people said the actual panel of dorry and broggy says his haki might be stronger than shanks not is) Oldbeard(stabilized but still sick)≈kaido while kaido is confirmed stronger in the ace novel its also stated its nearly impossible for the yonko to destroy each other also statements confirmed kaido is either equal to or stronger than shanks then primebeard is much stronger than oldbeard then in chapter 0 shiki kind of confirm that roger is stronger than wb then we have sengoku's statement of him being the greatest fiend then we have rocks being his greatest enemy and he beat rocks
5:08 the narrator says it like its a rumor/belief among the people in one piece not direct confirmation Also luffy>kaido he was far more injured during the g5 fight
I honestly don't believe Kaido was outpacing gear 5 Luffy Luffy used this man like a fucking jump rope he was toying with Kaido then ended the fight the second he got serious.
Luffy barely beat kaido and passed out for weeks.. just because g5 looks goofy doesn't mean luffy is not serious during that fight kaido did infact knocked luffy out of g5 if it wasn't for plot armour he would have died right then and there
I fw this Now if you ask me about Where Roger stands compared to Garp and Sengoku, I dont think those two stayed his equal post God Valley, I personally think Roger defeated Rocks in a 1v1 and as Sengoku suggests that was possibly roger's greatest foe followed by WB
Yes I think Roger is glazed hard because like we haven't seen anything substantial. Like he is a top contender but the way they put him over everyone. He is equal to prime garp, sengoku and white bread well can fight them. I just want to see more feats
@@Vyspion huh. Your going off that mihawk “should be “ stronger when based off what we know , he’s not . The old gen in their primes are stronger than shanks and mihawk . Shanks stronger than mihawk . Based off what was showned and said in the story
One Piece is not an RPG where the more a character moves about, the higher level they become. There is no power scaling. In real life the martial arts champions can lose to other contenders. It doesn't mean they automatically be weaker than the person that beat them. Sure they are strong, but the smartest move in martial arts is to run away if possible (not having to defend anything).
One Piece IS actually an RPG where u become stronger with each island(Zoro statement in Ennies Lobby) and ur Haki literally grows stronger with every hard fight(WCI arc Rayleigph flashback statements) 😭
Sickbeard is above Akainu Then imagine healthy old wb Then the monster that is prime beard I mean croc wanted his head for a reason Cos he was so weak Sure wb didnt use his df vs Roger, but its dc would be too much for the island And Ray was stated to stop Kizaru in his tracks, and was protecting the crew while doing this so ofc he'd be tired And people like to downplay Roger's sickness but he was actually coughing blood and unable to stand sometimes
the weirdest part of Mihawk having the “strongest swordman” title is that Mihawk & Shanks always tied and no one could ever beat the other from what we know 😂 so Shanks is also the best swordman technically if I was just exactly as fast as Usain Bolt, we would both be the fastest men alive
@@obmis_arraid21 im not an anime character so the same logic doesn’t necessarily apply, you think Shanks became weaker? he wasnt a yonko before & he is now, safe to say he eventually got stronger🤷♂️
I would say that yeah Roger power is kinda overrated. I do think he in term of power level he is on the same tier as the others yonko level characters that we saw so far. If you wanna say that Roger is slightly stronger than them. Sure why not. However I think putting Roger above the others yonko level characters we saw so far is overrating Roger. For me they are all on the same level and depending on the conditions and the context it can go either way.
Slashed Kaido 20 yrs ago AND its a Rooftop Zoro lvl feat but slightly better. No disrespect to Oden,he is a top tier but he significantly weaker than Kaido or Roger
roger is insanely underrated lmao. hes the greatest pirate ever in strenght prestige and wealth he litteraly did everything. not even prime wb could defeat him when he was sick (cope and seethe it did weaken him greatly) and prolly holding back considering rayleigh was also holding back on marco. also Roger would absolutely wipe the floor with the pathetic joke of a character named garp btw.
Overrated ….when he’s literally the pirate king bro and he literally equal to the self proclaimed strongest in world in his prime he’s not overrated at all
What?😭 Are YC1 and YC+ level characters considered fodder? Two of these defeated Yonko And Kaido tanked Big Mom attacks well in their fight considering he doesnt have any visible damage after that Also Kaido was taking G5 kinda good
i wont be suprised if kaido was over roger thats if you think that the old gen are still stronger than the present gen but that wont make sense considering that even tho garps stamina is nefed due to old age he still held his own toe to toe against aokiji while both were mentally nerfed and if aokiji is on the same level as garp wont that mean all the admirals are on rogers level since they scale to garp i consider younkos and admirals to be equal though id give the win to admirals but that would make all younkos on the same level as roger and garp no??
2:28 the voice of all things can not be related to observation haki. Freaking kid momonosuke was able to hear and SPEAK to zunesha. Luffy, Roger and Oden could only hear the voices but couldn't talk back.
I think kaido could beat him or whitebeard it would go either way .. the old guard glaze is crazy .. but I don’t think shanks could beat them he’s a 98 if Roger and WB and kaido are 100 ..
@@ChristopherVariste-z5g we are not even seen prime Roger closest who was the clash with white beard and that white beard would mid to high dif kaido kaido was also finally beaten by a moon level attack prime white beard could destroy the world one piece world is as big Jupiter or the sun different sources definitely bigger than our earth and roger could fight this white beard for 3 days
The de-transformation of greenbull wasn't even like an ability of his conquers haki just how greenbull reacted to feeling that level of conquers getting hit out of the blue. He chose to detransform
You don't even know anything bro😂 kaido literally said to dominate the world you need to be a haki monster like roger was.....he didn't even say himself. That haki triumphs all. So obviously he recognizes that roger is way beyond him even with his title
@@reddbeats1743 what do u mean kaido had all 3 advance versions as well ..and a overpowered DF .. can Roger lift an island while getting jumped? U tell me Mr glaze
Vivrecards won’t reveal if a character has conqueror’s if it hasn’t been confirmed in the manga (or that character doesn’t confirm they know they have it like with Zoro)
Roger is far from overrated With much supporting evidence. Whitebeard is who we should talk about since he’s not just overrated but his title as worlds strongest man is fraudulent with having anti feats in old generation
Whitebeard is a goat he was never defeated in his prime and even with stage 69 cancer and heart attacks it took multiple strong opponents to kill him and he still died standing nobody could even make him fall
Yes, a villian from 2 arcs ago is the strongest... ??? this is one piece and a shonen, villains always get stronger. But anyways everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if they are wrong. Mihawk>Shanks>Roger>Whitebeard.
Kaido is still the strongest enemy that Luffy has come across. And the narrative, portrayal and feats won't allow him to get power creeped by randoms who just happen to come later on. Kaido legit has the third highest bounty in the verse. He was definitely a threat in the verse.
@@SUPERRRRR-g2vits because we had only 2 main antagonists after Wano rn.Lets see if Kaido gonna hold that place even in the nexr arc,let alone to the end
@@СергейКочан-ь3т personally, I think the yonko, admirals and mihawk and maybe imu are at the top of the verse. And the narrative suggests so as well. They are responsible for the balance in power in the verse. From chapter 1 to the present timeline, shanks and kaido have stood atop the verse. I don't think someone like Loki or future randoms will be more powerful than mihawk, imu, the admirals or the yonkos (both the present yonkos and the previous yonkos). I don't think they get power creeped. Maybe someone of their level will show up. But not stronger. Not every time a shonen will follow this trend. Beerus is yet to be power creeped by any of Goku's villains.
@@SUPERRRRR-g2v Just like u said Imu,Gorosei(some of them),Blackbeard,Shanks,Mihawk,Dragon,Akainu all have potential to end up stronger than Kaido.If u being really generous u can add other admirals here and maybe someone from holy knights.And dont even let me start on the potential of EOS characters like Zoro,Sanji,Yamato,Kidd,Law,Sabo,Coby(😭) etc surpassing Kaido too. And also its still debatable on old gen,Prime WB,Roger,Garp,Rocks all potentially stronger than Kaido And some ppl even argue Sengoku and Shiki and some ppl even saying Prime Rayleigph is close😭 So back to the point,even if we exclude prime old gen and potential EOS characters.There are 7 characters+Gorosei who alive right now who potentially stronger or equal to Kaido.Its almost impossible for him to not end up powercrept imo
@@СергейКочан-ь3т you aren't understanding me. I said if there's anyone stronger than kaido right now or in the past or future it would be some of the admirals (kuzan, sakazuki and koby who'll probably be one), some of his fellow emperors of the sea (shanks, Blackbeard, Luffy), some old gen like the pirate king/prime beard/garp/sengoku or mihawk (Zoro too since he is on track to becoming the wss). Maybe the holy knights(highly unlikely) or dragon but not the gorosei. But randoms like Loki aren't gonna surpass kaido. Kaido has become such an underrated force it's crazy. He isn't getting power creeped by randoms. Maybe those I've mentioned above but not newbies.
He was forced to glaze Shanks 😢😢💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
no
Roger & overrated being in the same sentence further highlights how far the fandom has fallen. Oda probably look at these people crazy for calling the Pirate King overrated.
Not at all, people glaze him all the time
Correction : The story glazes him
Kaido drinking doesn’t increase his Haki. Kaido just stopped holding back due to being drunk
How I see it Kaido drinking it don’t boost his haki but it does changes like his fighting style and techniques
you guys can both be right.
drinking is a lot of times connected to aggression and violence, for example your alcoholic dad beating your mom, or the bar fights that happen every night.
Here's my take : Roger was very strong. But he was not so strong that fighting a yonko would've been a trivial manner. He purposely avoided direct conflict with Big Mom. Not because he couldn't win against her ; but because it would have been a difficult fight.
So Roger was strong, but not to the point of "no diffing the whole verse" as power scalers would put it
Odda introducing legendary characters
Garp - The hero of the marines, The uncrowned admiral
Whitebeard - The strongest human
Kaido - The strongest creature
Mihawk - The strongest swordsman
Shanks - The man with the strongest haki
Pirate King Gol D. Roger - The man who never lost a battle
It don't matter how strong or powerful you are, if you face Roger in battle, you will lose. Period. All those who managed to win a draw against Roger were legendary figures who were ultimately people he considered friends
Where does it say that Roger never lost, are you talking about what Garp said like how will become a demon to protect the loved ones behind him
Bro Pulling These Straight From Ass
He lose to 2 executioner
It was never stated that Roger never lost.
I think Roger lost to rocks. He kind of indicates this in the flashback
9:10 “shanks isn’t a swordsman, he is a haki man”- Naruto
Everyone in one piece is overrated. Shanks gets so hyped and will only have 1 fight in one piece which will also be the fight he dies in.
spoiler warning next time bud, no need to ruin the show for the rest of us
lol he didn’t spoil you he’s just dumb and saying what he thinks will happen
@@peekaylordington6740 hard to spoil something that hasn't happened yet lol
@@jay7166 yea i kno i was making a joke LOL if it doesnt happen one piece will be trash to him
@@peekaylordington6740 nah I won't I would like it better if it doesn't but it will and people will still glaze shanks
Personally the idea of Roger’s power being overrated, adds to his worthy title of “pirate king”
To be fair he never called himself that
@ which adds to it him deserving the title more, him not being as strong as other top tiers but becoming Pking via adventuring is some pirate shit imo. I feel like the PK title should be less about power and more about achievement
Yah fuck no …. Buddy never lost a battle only tied with garp and white beard … and the only time he was going to lose a battle was against Xebec but him and garp
Jumped him. Stop
This dumb shit
@@RomanVasquez-lf4tbyea he was one of the only people to ever get the one piece, even imu hasn’t gotten it and they control the whole world. His achievement is greater than anyone else currently except maybe imu who has been controlling the world for 800 years. King of the world > king of pirates
@@RomanVasquez-lf4tbhe is as strong as other top tiers, I still have him as equal to Prime Garp and slightly weaker than Prime Whitebeard
If I would rank those top tier guys (Ignoring some, like Imu and Joyboy) it would be:
Whitebeard >≈ Mihawk > Shanks ≈ Kaidou >≈ Prime Garp = Roger
1:20 there are many contexts about why Blackbeard retreats:
1- Hancock turned 2 of Blackbeard's commanders stone so they used them as bargaining chip to make Blackbeard retreat
2- Blackbeard was already fighting Sengoku and Garp, adding Shanks to these opponents are simply too much which is not only because of Shanks, its because combined forces of people who wants to stop Blackbeard (Sengoku+Garp+Shanks)
3- Blackbeard wasn't planning to fight Marines again and Sanjuan was in the sea needed to be rescued, plus his crew members Vasco Shot and Devon told Blackbeard they want to go to a different island, considering even WB retreated when fodder Marines attacked or Mihawk left his home island when fodder Marines attack, it would make no sense for Blackbeard to stay there when his crew was in danger and they wanted to leave. So this doesn't mean anything for Akainu, its a standard concept even for WB to retreat vs Marines because if they beat Marines they will send more Marines its basically pointless.
To be honest, on the Garp and Whitebeard debate on who took more damage. Garp got stabbed by Blackbeards 2nd strongest subordinate next to Kuzan. While Squardo isn’t even close to Shiryu in power. Granted I stil think Whitebeard can sustain more damage
WB was off heart meds
Bro it’s a sword through the chest we ain’t gonna powerscale pain
5:27 firstly carrying onigashima was never said to weaken him also he wouldve won the clash against luffy if it did weaken him since the clouds were gone
For the other fighters luffy did more damage then the rest of them combined while just in base not only that but multiple statements during the g5 fight confirm luffy was barely alive
Lmao I love how you think Roger is over ratted when we haven’t gotten the garp vs Roger animation yet or seen the onscreen fight between him and Shiki or the fight with him and garp fighting side by side at god valley
7:44 I actually never thought about this. It's wild how the Version 2 Hybrid Kaidou never makes a reappearance when fighting Gear 5 Luffy. Kaidou, after initially being taken off guard by Nika's freewheeling combat, simply adapts with his usual Hybrid form. We never actually see his strongest (shown) form against Luffys strongest form, tho we do see their strongest attacks against each other.
I swear these people put titles above everything and don't actually look at what the titles they are using to glaze mean for example "world's strongest swordsman" legit means most known skilled swordsmanship alone
Yes and i think that swordsman situation is the funniest bcuz we have direct statement from Zoro in Wano that despite King actively using a sword he is NOT a swordsman😭
So its not working like Mihawk agenda claims
Thank you for giving Roger the benefit of the doubt 🙏 I see way too many people underrating him when Shanks literally uses his techniques, and Kaido glazes him. I and allot of people have gotten over Roger not being the strongest but that doesnt mean everybody would beat or stand against him.
Instant credibility loss by saying kaido doesn’t have ryou.
He does just not internal destruction
“Okay he didn’t do that shit”😭😭aye man W video ‼️
Bro glazes yoru. 😂😂😂 The strongest blade couldn't cut Vista blades.
Because mihawk wanted to give him a fight and mihawk also didn't cut zoro sword wado
White beard in his prime and gol d roger during his final moments had some insane endurance. Their last battle against each other lasted 4 days. I feel like roger might have the same endurance (or more) as kaido if he was still in his prime.
No proofs, only guesses. Safe to go either way for current gen vs old
3:10 here is the thing about the mental nerf argument
You can just easily that garp was mentally nerfed and not just that you can also argue garps mental nerf was bigger
As someone who is *totally* not biased towards Roger *at all* nah he’s not overrated.
(Srsly tho i do put Newgate over Roger with a slight edge)
i believe roger is stronger then whitebeard by only a small amount but now that i think about it i believe whitebeard might be stronger in a sword fight its dead even but in a physical fight whitebeard is stronger i belive so its either a tie with blades or a win for whitebeard in physical combat
The mihawk glaze is out of hand. I literally just saw a guy on this comment section put him over roger, prime garp, kaido and shanks. Mihawk has no feats in the verse other than doing the same type of slash that post timeskip law did (but on a smaller scale than laws) and fighting vista 💀. Saying roger is overrated might aswell be the dumbest thing ive ever seen. the dude has the highest bounty in the verse currently and we know that bounties correlate to strength in some way and he went toe to toe with prime whitebeard even while having a fatal sickness which even though didnt decrease his power, probably wouldve fatigued him. hes also in kaidos top 5 and he basically half low diffed (i say half because oden got back up but they didnt continue fighting
) oden with 1 attack. The same attack that shanks used to 1 shot kidd and killer post wano. Whereas luffy dodged mihawks slash pre timeskip. Yall make no sense
I mean sick beard ditch the oxygen machine before the fight and ditched his medicine, just to not be pitied by his enemy. Now take the man having multiple heart attacks during his trashing of marine ford and sending magma brat running away underground, and make him a healthy old man, then take that healthy old man, and put him in his prime. Then have him fight Rodger for days to end in a draw.
It wasn't to not be pitied, it was more so to not openly show his enemies how much more frail he was now as an old man and not give them extra vigour and hope. 99% of Marines have only heard legends of Whitebeard never knowing his true strength, if the first thing they saw was a dude pulling up on life support a lot of the fear element of his reputation is instantly gone.
His power to change the world is not underrated. lol i’m kidding. I wanted to say something cringe. I wouldn’t take Twitter seriously anymore because everyone’s kind of profit motors because they get paid $20 now if they shit talk enough
This is blasphemy as a One Piece fan
The “World’s Strongest Creature” title given to Kaido is given to him unofficially by inhabitants of the world, unlike Mihawks title which is directly stated by Oda in an introductory box. Also I believe Kaido’s title as world’s strongest CREATURE is specifically meant to differentiate from Whitebeard’s title as world’s strongest man. This isn’t to say Kaido isn’t extremely powerful of course, but the idea of taking the “World’s Strongest Creature” title as undeniable, inarguable fact isn’t really supported.
What would you say about shanks at a young age was the only person to use divine departure?
From the way I saw Oda's response translated, It was more like "Not just anyone from the roger pirates could copy divine departure" rather than "Only Shanks could copy divine departure" so I'm sure Rayleigh could but not Sunbell or something. I also don't think he could use it at first sight but only after he learned conquerors infusion and ryou which he probably did in his late teens, early twenties. Pretty good but nothing unexpected
0:38 nah
i can list somethings that get roger above every current one piece character exluding imu(hell roger might be stronger than imu due to imu dropping on her knees after joyboy haki release and some people said the actual panel of dorry and broggy says his haki might be stronger than shanks not is)
Oldbeard(stabilized but still sick)≈kaido while kaido is confirmed stronger in the ace novel its also stated its nearly impossible for the yonko to destroy each other also statements confirmed kaido is either equal to or stronger than shanks then primebeard is much stronger than oldbeard then in chapter 0 shiki kind of confirm that roger is stronger than wb then we have sengoku's statement of him being the greatest fiend then we have rocks being his greatest enemy and he beat rocks
0:18 wait to see luffy over Roger takes
It mainly comes from me
5:08 the narrator says it like its a rumor/belief among the people in one piece not direct confirmation
Also luffy>kaido he was far more injured during the g5 fight
Good video.
White beard had the heart virus as well as Rodger was why he was so week in the end
I miss Rogers old design
I actually tought the same at first but with time this new design kinda grew on me idk
I still think Kaido,Shanks and Whitebeard has cooler designs than Roger tho
I honestly don't believe Kaido was outpacing gear 5 Luffy Luffy used this man like a fucking jump rope he was toying with Kaido then ended the fight the second he got serious.
Luffy barely beat kaido and passed out for weeks.. just because g5 looks goofy doesn't mean luffy is not serious during that fight kaido did infact knocked luffy out of g5 if it wasn't for plot armour he would have died right then and there
Elmo over Roger 🗿
how would kaido NOT have ryou ? his understanding of haki is very advanced. and everybody who is named in wano has ryou,. how would kaido not have it.
The only characters that could be over Roger at current and past shank akinue Mihawk whitebeard garp rocks garling imu joyboy and megellan
I fw this
Now if you ask me about Where Roger stands compared to Garp and Sengoku, I dont think those two stayed his equal post God Valley, I personally think Roger defeated Rocks in a 1v1 and as Sengoku suggests that was possibly roger's greatest foe followed by WB
You forgot the big red dog bruh, he has the necessary attributes, abilities and haki to beat roger
🙂↕️💀
Wakainu solos the old Gen all together mid diff
roger would give her brain damage so severe she would become a pirate.
Yes I think Roger is glazed hard because like we haven't seen anything substantial. Like he is a top contender but the way they put him over everyone. He is equal to prime garp, sengoku and white bread well can fight them. I just want to see more feats
Also Roger did sneak into big mom territory instead of going in and clapping her. To me he is strong but the gap from top tiers now isn't far
Roger and Whitebeard it literally equal . Shanks , Kaido , mihawk is not beating neither of their primes .
I only got Roger over mihawk because his will seem stronger because when it’s too tear the person with the greatest will comes out on top
@ only Roger is crazy 😂😂because mihawk not stronger than prime garp , sengoku, or Whitebeard . Having strong will is not everything bruh
@@Shawn_G9 Ik but when it come to top tiers that’s the most important thing
@@Shawn_G9 he has to be stronger than prime garp and segoku unless u think they are weaker than shanks which is not true
@@Vyspion huh. Your going off that mihawk “should be “ stronger when based off what we know , he’s not . The old gen in their primes are stronger than shanks and mihawk . Shanks stronger than mihawk . Based off what was showned and said in the story
One Piece is not an RPG where the more a character moves about, the higher level they become. There is no power scaling.
In real life the martial arts champions can lose to other contenders. It doesn't mean they automatically be weaker than the person that beat them.
Sure they are strong, but the smartest move in martial arts is to run away if possible (not having to defend anything).
One Piece IS actually an RPG where u become stronger with each island(Zoro statement in Ennies Lobby) and ur Haki literally grows stronger with every hard fight(WCI arc Rayleigph flashback statements) 😭
Sickbeard is above Akainu
Then imagine healthy old wb
Then the monster that is prime beard
I mean croc wanted his head for a reason
Cos he was so weak
Sure wb didnt use his df vs Roger, but its dc would be too much for the island
And Ray was stated to stop Kizaru in his tracks, and was protecting the crew while doing this so ofc he'd be tired
And people like to downplay Roger's sickness but he was actually coughing blood and unable to stand sometimes
the weirdest part of Mihawk having the “strongest swordman” title is that Mihawk & Shanks always tied and no one could ever beat the other from what we know 😂 so Shanks is also the best swordman technically
if I was just exactly as fast as Usain Bolt, we would both be the fastest men alive
What if u hypothetically lost a leg (accidents do happen) and couldn't compete anymore ? Bolt would be the fastest by default.
It literally doesn't matter Akainu one shots Idc about anything else
"We used to be sparring partners like you...until I got Sea King to my arm."
@@obmis_arraid21 im not an anime character so the same logic doesn’t necessarily apply, you think Shanks became weaker? he wasnt a yonko before & he is now, safe to say he eventually got stronger🤷♂️
@@teachmehowtofreeze2849 Akainu could barely take on an old dying whitebeard pipe down broski
I would say that yeah Roger power is kinda overrated. I do think he in term of power level he is on the same tier as the others yonko level characters that we saw so far. If you wanna say that Roger is slightly stronger than them. Sure why not.
However I think putting Roger above the others yonko level characters we saw so far is overrating Roger.
For me they are all on the same level and depending on the conditions and the context it can go either way.
In marinford #WhiteBeard has #DF. But #Grap has no #DF
A man is not a creature both in the OP universe and in our irl definitions of a creature. Why would a man be a creature? Creature =/= animal
Oden sliced kaido and it’s shown that Roger is way stronger then oden so idk I feel Roger definitely still could have been the strongest
Slashed Kaido 20 yrs ago AND its a Rooftop Zoro lvl feat but slightly better.
No disrespect to Oden,he is a top tier but he significantly weaker than Kaido or Roger
Big mom the strongest if you leave out the handicap
roger is insanely underrated lmao.
hes the greatest pirate ever in strenght prestige and wealth he litteraly did everything.
not even prime wb could defeat him when he was sick (cope and seethe it did weaken him greatly) and prolly holding back considering rayleigh was also holding back on marco.
also Roger would absolutely wipe the floor with the pathetic joke of a character named garp btw.
Overrated ….when he’s literally the pirate king bro and he literally equal to the self proclaimed strongest in world in his prime he’s not overrated at all
i thought magellan(venom dude) made black beard run too?
Nah. There was no time to run😂😂. But shiryu helped them.
Exactly kiado only tank hits from fodder not actually threats
Funny how the pirate king can't even tank fodder attacks
What?😭
Are YC1 and YC+ level characters considered fodder? Two of these defeated Yonko
And Kaido tanked Big Mom attacks well in their fight considering he doesnt have any visible damage after that
Also Kaido was taking G5 kinda good
But hawk eye is different he is own that lvl for sure
Roger fought rocks
I would say rocks us Rogers strongest rival
agenda piece final boss
Shanks was stated to be the hardest to locate? When?
Forgot to mention that, it was in the Ace light novel
@ thanks I didn’t know it was worth reading, but if it has canon details like that then i gotta read it asap
i wont be suprised if kaido was over roger thats if you think that the old gen are still stronger than the present gen but that wont make sense considering that even tho garps stamina is nefed due to old age he still held his own toe to toe against aokiji while both were mentally nerfed and if aokiji is on the same level as garp wont that mean all the admirals are on rogers level since they scale to garp
i consider younkos and admirals to be equal though id give the win to admirals but that would make all younkos on the same level as roger and garp
no??
You know nothing
@GVK-jm9sg the nothing I know is still more than what you know
2:28 the voice of all things can not be related to observation haki. Freaking kid momonosuke was able to hear and SPEAK to zunesha. Luffy, Roger and Oden could only hear the voices but couldn't talk back.
Too much Overrated, He and Shanks are rhe most overrated characters
na he pretty legit
Roger died of ligma
it's not Roger as much as it the entire series.
It feels like luffy will have to learn how to kill everyone's observation haki due to how insane haki will become in the end game of one piece
Yes
I think the consistent statements of old healthy wb being the strongest pirate means the prime old gen are on another level
No one realized how old he had gotten......he wasn't strongest anymore.
@Deathsyth-ks8uz I'm referring to narrator statements and statements from characthers using observation haki
I think kaido could beat him or whitebeard it would go either way .. the old guard glaze is crazy .. but I don’t think shanks could beat them he’s a 98 if Roger and WB and kaido are 100 ..
old guard are glazed for a reason kaido do close is not roger or white beard level Oden was going to beat Kaido but got a mental nerf
@ cap we did see a hybrid form stop making shit up and that was 20 years ago from the story stop glazing shit show me feats of shut up Mr glaze
@ ligt did not use his hybrid form plz tell me is that not his strongest form.? I’m pretty sure it is
@@ChristopherVariste-z5g when did I say about hybrid form he was going to kill kaido until the hag turned into momo
@@ChristopherVariste-z5g we are not even seen prime Roger closest who was the clash with white beard and that white beard would mid to high dif kaido kaido was also finally beaten by a moon level attack prime white beard could destroy the world one piece world is as big Jupiter or the sun different sources definitely bigger than our earth and roger could fight this white beard for 3 days
Garp claps aokiji High-Ext diff only cause of age honestly
The de-transformation of greenbull wasn't even like an ability of his conquers haki just how greenbull reacted to feeling that level of conquers getting hit out of the blue. He chose to detransform
(The more probable answer but just give it to the rat 💀🙏 )
You don't even know anything bro😂 kaido literally said to dominate the world you need to be a haki monster like roger was.....he didn't even say himself. That haki triumphs all. So obviously he recognizes that roger is way beyond him even with his title
@@reddbeats1743 what do u mean kaido had all 3 advance versions as well ..and a overpowered DF .. can Roger lift an island while getting jumped? U tell me Mr glaze
You didnt watch the whole video.
Mihawk is confirmed not to have coc haki
Says who?! 🤨🤨
@Rogito211 egg head Island data book
@Rogito211 they also confirmed garp has coc haki
Vivrecards won’t reveal if a character has conqueror’s if it hasn’t been confirmed in the manga (or that character doesn’t confirm they know they have it like with Zoro)
@@Rogito211but the thing is we seen Zoro use it . Zoro is an outlier and people like Blackbeard , Akainu, mihawk don’t have it
Roger is far from overrated With much supporting evidence. Whitebeard is who we should talk about since he’s not just overrated but his title as worlds strongest man is fraudulent with having anti feats in old generation
I would say Rayleigh is overrated though
Whitebeard is a goat he was never defeated in his prime and even with stage 69 cancer and heart attacks it took multiple strong opponents to kill him and he still died standing nobody could even make him fall
@rimurutempest-wl1ru yeah that’s really powerful of him, I wish that matched up to top 5 top tiers in one piece
Yes, a villian from 2 arcs ago is the strongest... ??? this is one piece and a shonen, villains always get stronger. But anyways everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if they are wrong. Mihawk>Shanks>Roger>Whitebeard.
Kaido is still the strongest enemy that Luffy has come across. And the narrative, portrayal and feats won't allow him to get power creeped by randoms who just happen to come later on. Kaido legit has the third highest bounty in the verse. He was definitely a threat in the verse.
@@SUPERRRRR-g2vits because we had only 2 main antagonists after Wano rn.Lets see if Kaido gonna hold that place even in the nexr arc,let alone to the end
@@СергейКочан-ь3т personally, I think the yonko, admirals and mihawk and maybe imu are at the top of the verse. And the narrative suggests so as well. They are responsible for the balance in power in the verse. From chapter 1 to the present timeline, shanks and kaido have stood atop the verse. I don't think someone like Loki or future randoms will be more powerful than mihawk, imu, the admirals or the yonkos (both the present yonkos and the previous yonkos). I don't think they get power creeped. Maybe someone of their level will show up. But not stronger. Not every time a shonen will follow this trend. Beerus is yet to be power creeped by any of Goku's villains.
@@SUPERRRRR-g2v Just like u said
Imu,Gorosei(some of them),Blackbeard,Shanks,Mihawk,Dragon,Akainu all have potential to end up stronger than Kaido.If u being really generous u can add other admirals here and maybe someone from holy knights.And dont even let me start on the potential of EOS characters like Zoro,Sanji,Yamato,Kidd,Law,Sabo,Coby(😭) etc surpassing Kaido too.
And also its still debatable on old gen,Prime WB,Roger,Garp,Rocks all potentially stronger than Kaido
And some ppl even argue Sengoku and Shiki and some ppl even saying Prime Rayleigph is close😭
So back to the point,even if we exclude prime old gen and potential EOS characters.There are 7 characters+Gorosei who alive right now who potentially stronger or equal to Kaido.Its almost impossible for him to not end up powercrept imo
@@СергейКочан-ь3т you aren't understanding me. I said if there's anyone stronger than kaido right now or in the past or future it would be some of the admirals (kuzan, sakazuki and koby who'll probably be one), some of his fellow emperors of the sea (shanks, Blackbeard, Luffy), some old gen like the pirate king/prime beard/garp/sengoku or mihawk (Zoro too since he is on track to becoming the wss). Maybe the holy knights(highly unlikely) or dragon but not the gorosei. But randoms like Loki aren't gonna surpass kaido. Kaido has become such an underrated force it's crazy. He isn't getting power creeped by randoms. Maybe those I've mentioned above but not newbies.
Finally a non old gen glazer😂
Shanks vs. Ichigo
😂