I think the most intriguing theory is that Dragon is Rock's son and not Garp's, that's why they don't look alike, Garp took dragon under him after the defeat of Rocks.. Luffy is Dragon's son with Garp's daughter.. Dragon took on Garp's family name to hide his identity similar to Ace hiding his.
Luffy and Dragon dont look alike , i think Luffy father is Gold D Roger and Ace was Dragon son Garp is Luffy mother , Ivankov and Bony devil fruit made Garp older man Luffy family is : Roger father and Garp mother , they were old enemies of Rocks or Dragon like this video says They stole Ace because they though they couldnt have kids but latter Luffy was born
Yeah I think if I made the video with that as the theme it would be way more convincing, and i even said it in the video if im completely wrong I think Rocks definitely inspired Dragon, theres way too many coincidences
I appreciate the honesty lol, I knew this theory would be a hard sell and tried my best, but yeah Dragon being Rocks son could work, if Roger knew Garp took in Rocks son that might of been how he knew Garp would take Ace in
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobby he also said to Luffy at chapter 439 “you’re the son of my child.” The only connection I see to this theory is that they look alike. Garp clearly sees luffy as his grandson and you can obviously tell that they’re blood related. Dragon also said to Kuma “a child is a parent’s weakness.” I just don’t think there’s enough for me to think he has any connection with Xebec.
I like the idea of the tattoo being a Void Century symbol, meaning they can't put Dragon's face on Wanted Posters, mostly because the idea of Imu trying to use Photoshop to key out Dragon's tattoo and failing amuses me.
Same and it would make sense, why havent we seen Dragons bounty? If hes the worlds most wanted man you would think his bounties would be everywhere right?
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobby That's not his epithet. That's a mistranslation. His epithet is "The World's Worst Criminal". He might have the world's highest bounty.
I’m not sold on them being the same person, BUT I can imagine that Dragon inherited his will and that he was actually a good dude. I also could see Rocks being misunderstood because he had a villainous crew, believing the ends justified the means.
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobby I think your video was great and definitely got a lot of people, including me, thinking about the possibilities. Keep it up!
Ohara will , Vegapunk will , Kuma will , all followers of Sun God Nika will , ( Dragon will ) , D will ? Rocks crew dont look like the type that goes around helping people ( Kaido , Big Mom , Shiki , Gloriosa ) , they were pure trash
@ That’s what I’m saying, he may have been a well-intentioned dude who aligned himself with powerful pirates regardless of their morals to accomplish a specific goal
idk if you sold me on the theory, but it’s definitely compelling. i will admit it was entertaining/very interesting. very close parallels, great video man. got yourself a follow
I honestly really like the idea of Rocks being somewhat of an anti-hero. An Image I've conjured in my head is that Rocks knew what the celestial dragons were up to and decided to get their loot and also kill them to start a war with the world government, then Roger had to kill Rocks with the help of Garp because Roger knew that they were too early to start plans of taking down the government.
Yeah, but god valley happend like 13 years before Roger made it to laugh tale and found out about the prophecy. Personally, I think at the time of the God Valley Incident, Rocks knew way more about the world government than basically everyone else and had way deeper motivations that just being a BBEG.
So you missed the part where Oda revealed that Dragon is Garp’s biological son and a former marine and the other part where Garp said to Kuzan “My son chose to become a revolutionary”?
One thing that would be cool if this ends up being the case or even the case that Rocks is the grandfather of Luffy is that Garp would of ultimately been "Raising" both the son of the pirate king and the son of the most notorious criminal in tandem, and I think that'd be kind of neat.
I actually really enjoyed this theory. It made me hope Oda goes in this direction. I will be back here for the big reveal when it happens in the story, that's for sure!
Cool theory but i think it’s more likely dragon is actually rocks son and maybe Luffys mom is garps daughter and dragon just took the monkey name to hide his true identity. And it would kinda patellar garp watching over ace rogers son
I don’t think you mentioned this during the video, but this is crazy to me that it adds to your theory even more. Not sure if I’m spelling it right, but Scwarg’s betrayal in the Paramount War greatly adds to this theory. He was tricked by Akaiinu using information so old that only someone who had such insider information could take advantage of.
In regards to Sakazuki's links to Dragon I believe that Sakazuki was raised by Garp's right-hand Bogard and I think that Dragon worked in the Naval Internal Affairs division which is why he became disaffected with the marines so quickly.
This would also lead into why Garp was so adamant that all of his "sons" go to the Marines. If his brother was one of the worst pirates in the world. Another reason why he would be willing to team up with Roger to fight Rocks. It was a family matter.
I actually really like this theory the only question that comes to my mind is why would garp fight rocks at godvalley with Roger but then take him under his wing into the marines seems like a total 180
In the heat of the moment a enemy ofvthe marines is still a enemy regardless of ideals. Maybe at the time garp ran into dragon it was a few mins of exchanging thoughts before putting on a act.
So if Rocks became Dragon, no one other than him would know about this, i just played with the idea that Garp might know, but if Garp didnt know about Rocks transformation then theres a chance Garp found a half alive Dragon at God Valley and decided to take him in, I know its a bit confusing lol
The craziest part of your theory is rocks could of had a full life before reverting back to teenage years and Blackbeard and Luffy could be half brothers🤯
There is absolutely a strong chance they are biologically related if they arent the same person. I have also wanted to make a connection between Luffy’s Brazilian roots to Roche the Brazilian but you have so many other supporting points that creates a nice evidence board!
Thank you!!! I knew making this theory it was going to be an up hill battle to try and convince people lol, but as you know as a creator trying to think of "unique" theories in the community is kinda hard when everyone has already thought of everything already lol, if you dont mind me asking was there anything in particular I said thats helping with your next video?
So Rocks was at G-valley to fight against the evil world government. Then he was de-aged and joined the MARINES for uh-reasons. Oh and also tricked Garp into thinking he was his son. Then finding out the world government was EVIL he abandoned his post and started the revolutionary army. Why not just go start the revolutionary army directly from G-valley? Oh Akinu has to be de-aged too? If you have to fundamentally change more than one character to shoehorn a theory you may want to reconsider? I don’t know.
I think God Valley was 12-13 years before Roger met Oden and Toki, but that would have been really cool idea! Technically Toki could have been at God Valley and time jumped again cause if I remember correctly she was constantly time jumping to escape danger so its possible lol
I really like this theory. I’ve always thought rock’s won god valley and the winner writes history so he wrote himself out. Possibly got the opop no mi on GV and personality swapped with someone, maybe imu. But this is a really cool train if thought ! Edit: haven’t finished all the way yet but what if luffy’s mom was the one with the age age fruit and altered rock’s age and married him? And in marineford garp ONLY called dragon “luffy’s dad”. Therefore i think dragon married into garp’s family i.e married his daughter
While I like some of the points you made, my main issue with this theory is that most of the questions you raised can be answered without Rocks and Dragon being the same person, or the age-age fruit being involved at all. Things like Dragon and Akainu’s relationship and Dragon’s secrecy about his past can be explained with the information we already have. While I agree that the WG probably didn’t report on Rocks’ death because they never confirmed it, I can imagine a couple scenarios where he survives without needing to invent an awakened user of Bonney’s fruit. Your theory about Sakazuki’s name being a reference to his relationship to Dragon could still work without them both being age manipulated. Also, we see Akainu use haki in Marineford, so the latter half about Dragon’s reluctance to fight doesn’t hold up. The scene with Bonny and Akainu can be explained by her being leverage against Kuma, further supported by Akainu’s fight with Kuma. The commonalities between the portrayal of Dragon and Rocks could be an indication that Dragon was directly inspired by Rocks. If Rocks was in fact defending or saving the slaves at God Valley, it would explain Dragon’s deviation from Garp’s influence, since he was sent there as a marine to protect the people hunting those slaves in the first place. It would also add weight to Blackbeard’s constant post-timeskip aggression toward Dragon if they represent opposing sides of Rocks’s legacy. On the topic of Blackbeard, him being Rocks’s son feels like an obvious red herring, and characters like Weevil and Demaro Black might serve as foreshadowing to that. If you combine the idea that Rocks lost his crew but survived god valley with the fact that Blackbeard has two devil fruits, the stronger implication is that Rocks D Xebec lives on in Blackbeard. The comparisons between the Rocks Pirates and Buggy lead many including myself to believe that Buggy is the actual son of Rocks, which would make Roger raising Shanks and Buggy essentially raising the sons of both of his enemies at god valley. On the whole, none of the things you brought up need the age-age fruit to make sense, and your conclusions hinge on that addition. Keep up the good work though I love your videos whether I agree or not.
Loved everything you said, and yeah the whole theory really hinges on the age age fruits power which i knew going into this was going to be a insanely hard sell to get people to agree, but yeah if im completely wrong about everything I definitely think theres a good chance Rocks could have influenced Dragon exactly like you said, If I made the video with that narrative I think it would have been received better lol. And yeah i love the Buggy theory ive heard of that one before and it makes alot of sense especially with their parallels, and I loved the Blackbeard and Dragon dynamic you brought up. I commented this on another comment but for the longest time i wanted to make a theory on Rocks having Brook's devil fruit and when he was killed at God Valley and came back as a soul he couldn't find his body and and to merge his soul with the next body he could find which was Blackbeard, but the timelines dont add up for that too work. But thank you again for watching the video and leaving great feedback I really appreciate it!
Rocks is a more cold and serious luffy but wasn’t understood on what he was trying to do .he was trying to fight for their freedom due to Rodger bieng young not understanding and garp being tricked into it that why it was garp biggest regret but rocks ain’t buggy it took garp and Rodger to take him down and his conquer haki burst was massive he had to be a top tier
BROOOO okay, So Dragon being Rocks is a stretch but the real theory people are sleeping on here is Saturn using the age age fruit experiments to somehow overcome his rapid aging once Imus spell had been lifted (if that is the case, which it for sure seems like) He was going behind the World government's back with a whole team from the looks of it (referring to the chapter where we see Saturn ordering a team to move Emeth, the ancient robot). Im pretty sure you are right on the nose with that one, like it just makes so much sense, very well done for pointing that out, You've earned yourself a Sub I.A.S.I.E.L
I dont find the idea of this theory particularly compelling but it does ask some interesting questions about Dragon's values and where they could stem from. I don't think it means Dragon has a hidden past as a different person entirely. It does mean that Dragon's backstory by itself would answer a lot of questions we still have about the world itself
I like the theory but a couple of things bugs me, its possible i missed some things : - why is dragon a monkey D if he isn’t truly garp’s son? - why would luffy’s mom be a monkey D if Dragon is already a m D? Wouldn’t that be weird? - if Bonney’s powers only revert people’s physical form, why would Dragon change also his mentality ? (That one might be explained already i’ll check it up)
-So Dragon would have to come up with a whole new identity if he was Rocks, he can't call himself Rocks D. Xebec anymore, and if Garp took him in then he would just use Garp's "Monkey D." name to blend in as his son. - All the D clans arent blood related if thats what you're asking for this one, Ace's mom was a D member and so was Roger, so I think Luffy would parallel Ace in a way. - Bonney's distorted future power changes age and alters appearances, but doesn't change their minds, so Dragon didn't change his mentality from when he was Rocks. I hope I answered everything so it makes sense a little better, but thank you for liking the theory!
@@JI-yd6fb Exact opposit situation lol, Ace had his mother's name, All i'm saying is Ace was named Portgas, not Monkey, it would've been safer for Ace to actually be called Monkey.. but for some reason they didn't think to do that for him when they did it for dragon? Seems weird to me
You lost me at the fleet admiral, but then you got me back when you brought up Bonnie and what he said very interesting maybe if Oda was thinking that far ahead
My theory is Dragon and Rocks are related. Yes, Garp mentioned Dragon is his son but maybe he adopted him. Ace Sabo and Luffy consider each other “brothers” but aren’t related. We see a lot of similarities between older characters finding themselves looking over a beloved orphan like Corazon and Law..Kinemon and Momonuske…Whitebeard and Ace. I wouldn’t be surprised , orphanage is a common theme in the show
Love the idea… however, I think the notion of inherited will here makes more sense. That would tie a lot of the concepts you brought in that tie these two characters together much more cleanly.
This set of theories does make sense, from a certain point of view… There has to be a massive reason we still know next to nothing about Dragon and his abilities.
Didn't dragon tell sabo he was raised in Gao kingdom? He also implied he was from a noble family from the way he related to sabo during that flashback.
I have been preaching this theory to friends for the last few years. I however think its much more likely that, Dragon ate a mythical zoan, a hito hito no mi with wind and storm powers HOWEVER his fruit is so powerful, much like the gorosei's that he is almost lost in the will of his fruit when he uses it, even if when he loses himself he is still liberating and rebelling. We've seen it with Luffy, the impel down jailers (to the worst degree) and the gorosei, whom have shown remorse for people while in human form and in demon form or in short time span from changing they despise humans. There are more to devil fruits than people give credit.
to this day i still believe that dragon's face tattoo isn't a tattoo, but a branding. in one piece we've seen two brands: the claw of the celestial dragons and the sun pirates, both turn the skin red and the mark on dragon's face is red, this could also lead to him being the man marked by flames, who rides a dark ship
Or that's who became his mentor and he joined in on their customs, the more I think about it, the more Im convinced that a small fraction of whomever couldve hid from the WG, even if its "just" in elbaph or skypeia 2.0. We got the info about lunarians basically being able to live anywhere and my head just naturally assumed there has to be at least one left in a volcano somewhere, if not still a small tribe. Both of these fractions also have a connection to tattoos, face tattoos in particular.
Damn I’m not the only one who think rocks is dragon also. How would dragon know about the god knights and their power? He had to encounter them in action on god valley. If rocks is a new character why is oda hiding him unless it’s gonna be a surprise. Luffy is 19 and a yonko, dragon was 17 at god valley.
A show with million theories, is a show with million unanswered questions, at some point we need to make piece with the fact that Oda is making it up, and everytime he "runs" out of fuel, he insert a shadow figure, or a vague statement to send you off to a wild goose chase. Anime has been on tv for over 20 years, and yet we have nothing except "theories" that keeps us asleep at night because someone cant answer a simple question or confirm it without it being vague.
It's a manga, you know, a fictional story. Oda literally made it all up. Luffy wasn't a real person. Devil fruits aren't real. You do know this, right?
@@chadwhitfield6946 You missed my point, i didnt mean creatively, i meant story and continuation wise, he had a concept of plan, then you build a plot, then the ending, then everything in between, your characters, powers, worlds, blah blah, except he only had a few of those, i bet he doesnt even the know the ending of the story himself, hence the "he is making it up as he goes", for reference check out A Song Of Ice And Fire aka Game Of Thrones, the writer "stopped" writing 10 years ago, he was supposed to drop 2 last books. Going to Oda, for 20 years and plus, the fans and himself don't know what the One Piece is, you cant say its treasure(money, gems, riches) it wont work, the crew dont need that,you cant say its "knowledge" Luffy doesnt need that, what about power to control all lives? thats not it either, could be the "friends we made all along" though, that could work, except fans will hate it. on the making it part again, i was referring to all the times he had an opportunity to show us how something works or explain by words or detailed drawing on how such works but didnt, aka Acoq and all that, nobody can identify Advanced Arma or Conq on manga or anime, "black lightning"?, some stuff i can give him a pass on, aka Luffy touching Enel without Haki, one of the many times he made sheet up. in conclusion, we are not idiots, he should stop treating us like we are, instead of following one plot(A plot) and concluding it, he drops it off in the middle of nowhere, continue with C plot or start another plot. We should have gotten Saturn and Emeth story of 200 years ago. He had 3 occasions to explain, in details what happened during the Aokiji vs Akainu battle, 1 Punk Hazard, 2 when Kuzan met with BB in the club(haha) or 3 during the Kuzan and Garp battle, he didnt, because he doesnt know what happened. We still dont know who VegaPunk, and Borsalino are and we got a "full" arc dedicated to them. who the duck is Weevil's dad and how was he conceived? one of the things that Vega punk should have mentioned while explaining the creation of the Seraphims.. see... oh wait, show the readers 8 shadow figures and call them the royal guards or knights, that will stop from asking questions and noticing my mistakes or lack of creativity. THATS MAKING SHEET UP
Like Toki i think theres no devil fruit that can change Past. only future also i have theory garp is there with marines and his second in command is no other than dragon. dragons real father is Xebec, Luffys Mom is Garp Child.
Sengoku said that not Roger, and like I said in the video Sengoku is only relying what the news portrayed about Rocks, for all we know Rocks could have been a good guy, look how Sengoku viewed Ace and Luffy, he thinks they are terrible criminals but us as viewers know thats not even close to who they are as people
Dragon as Rocks is a neat idea, I also like if Hiruluk was a weakened Rocks. The other person I could see as Rocks is Sengoku, before eating the buddah fruit making him wiser/calmer and havin Tsuru wash his soul?
ooooo the Hiruluk idea is very interesting, Ive been looking to make a Hiruluk video for a while now, I think Hiruluks story portrays what happened to joyboy, the 20 doctors in drum kingdom parallel the 20 kings of the world government and since hiruluk was tricked I think this might be how Joyboy was defeated
@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobby I think the story of Joyboy may tie into the Norse story of Frejya and the dwarves. She sleeps with the 4 dwarves of the 4 directions for a necklace the brisingman. Loki finds out tells Odin, who makes loki steal it for him. Frejya wants it back but Odin tells her she has to complete a task for her. She has to make 2 kings, both lead a group of 20 kings, fight each other until there is a winner. However, both sides can't die and resurrect over and over again (some stories turn to stone at night n back in the day), until one day a special person comes along a Christian/baptized non pagan, who when he kills their men they stay dead, this could be luffy, as the christ like figure/baldur?
One reason I think Oda might be able to pull something like what this video suggests is because he managed to do something similar with Haki already. One Piece started in 1997 and Haki first appeared around 2008ish story wise not lore wise. I personally think that Oda experimented with things in real time with the series. He created Mantra to serve as merely the prototype for what would eventually become Haki overtime. I even think Chopper is experimental character that Oda created to test out variety of things. The three main things that stand out for me: Chopper's Point=Luffy's various Gears Rumble Ball= Various things but the most stand out on being Zoans with more then three forms and Smile Fruits or just Smile in general Monster Point= Devil Fruit Awakenings
I feel like this theory would make some more sense with a few tweaks. Like for one maybe Rocks was a distorted future of Dragon, instead of Dragon being a distorted past of Rocks. Then you wouldn’t have to speculate about so much we don’t know. In this theory, Dragon is the biological son of Garp, he was a marine, and disguised himself as Rocks in order to go against the celestial dragons without them knowing who he was. The user of the time time fruit was a member of his crew, which is how he was able to keep up his disguise, until that crew member died on god valley, allowing the devil fruit to reappear and be claimed by the government, eventually reaching Bonney. When the original Tim time fruit user died, Rocks returned to Dragon, and having been defeated at god valley and his entire crew having been killed or abandoned him, he chose to instead establish the revolutionary army and openly oppose the government as himself.
I think the most intriguing theory is that Dragon is Rock's son and not Garp's, that's why they don't look alike, Garp took dragon under him after the defeat of Rocks.. Luffy is Dragon's son with Garp's daughter.. Dragon took on Garp's family name to hide his identity similar to Ace hiding his.
rocks is 100 percent dragon's father.
Luffy and Dragon dont look alike , i think Luffy father is Gold D Roger and Ace was Dragon son
Garp is Luffy mother , Ivankov and Bony devil fruit made Garp older man
Luffy family is : Roger father and Garp mother , they were old enemies of Rocks or Dragon like this video says
They stole Ace because they though they couldnt have kids but latter Luffy was born
@@pieceD399 what the actual f*ck 🤣🤣🤣
@@pieceD399 this shit is ass
Im not sold on Dragon & Rocks being the same person. But i do think that Rocks may have inspired Dragon to rebel against the Government.
Yeah I think if I made the video with that as the theme it would be way more convincing, and i even said it in the video if im completely wrong I think Rocks definitely inspired Dragon, theres way too many coincidences
Well, you didn't sell me on the theory. You did, however, sell me on them being genetically related somehow. Take the wins where you can.
Same. I initially dismissed the "Dragon is Rocks' son" hypothesis, but now I believe it.
Bro he’s not Xebec’s son. Garp has claimed Dragon as his son many times in the story.
I appreciate the honesty lol, I knew this theory would be a hard sell and tried my best, but yeah Dragon being Rocks son could work, if Roger knew Garp took in Rocks son that might of been how he knew Garp would take Ace in
@@DoomsdaySlayer If im not mistaken Garp has only ever confirmed Dragon is his son in the battleship bag flashback thats it
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobby he also said to Luffy at chapter 439 “you’re the son of my child.” The only connection I see to this theory is that they look alike. Garp clearly sees luffy as his grandson and you can obviously tell that they’re blood related. Dragon also said to Kuma “a child is a parent’s weakness.” I just don’t think there’s enough for me to think he has any connection with Xebec.
I like the idea of the tattoo being a Void Century symbol, meaning they can't put Dragon's face on Wanted Posters, mostly because the idea of Imu trying to use Photoshop to key out Dragon's tattoo and failing amuses me.
Same and it would make sense, why havent we seen Dragons bounty? If hes the worlds most wanted man you would think his bounties would be everywhere right?
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobby That's not his epithet. That's a mistranslation. His epithet is "The World's Worst Criminal". He might have the world's highest bounty.
But there's pictures of dragon on the newspapers. That's literally how luffy got to see Dragon's face for the first time
@@tcbbctagain572no
Bounty thou
@@tcbbctagain572 Yep , true , but it would be intresting writing the name of the ancien kingdom on a face tattoo
I’m not sold on them being the same person, BUT I can imagine that Dragon inherited his will and that he was actually a good dude.
I also could see Rocks being misunderstood because he had a villainous crew, believing the ends justified the means.
Yeah I totally agree, A lot of people commented the same thing so maybe I should have taken the video in that route lol
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobby I think your video was great and definitely got a lot of people, including me, thinking about the possibilities. Keep it up!
Ohara will , Vegapunk will , Kuma will , all followers of Sun God Nika will , ( Dragon will ) , D will ?
Rocks crew dont look like the type that goes around helping people ( Kaido , Big Mom , Shiki , Gloriosa ) , they were pure trash
@ That’s what I’m saying, he may have been a well-intentioned dude who aligned himself with powerful pirates regardless of their morals to accomplish a specific goal
i have never heard of your channel before, but the name "it's always sunny in enies lobby" is so fucking brilliant i'm immediately subscribing
haha thank you!
idk if you sold me on the theory, but it’s definitely compelling. i will admit it was entertaining/very interesting. very close parallels, great video man. got yourself a follow
thank you, I knew going in making this theory was going to be very hard to convince people lol I appreciate the kind words!
I honestly really like the idea of Rocks being somewhat of an anti-hero.
An Image I've conjured in my head is that Rocks knew what the celestial dragons were up to and decided to get their loot and also kill them to start a war with the world government, then Roger had to kill Rocks with the help of Garp because Roger knew that they were too early to start plans of taking down the government.
Yeah, but god valley happend like 13 years before Roger made it to laugh tale and found out about the prophecy.
Personally, I think at the time of the God Valley Incident, Rocks knew way more about the world government than basically everyone else and had way deeper motivations that just being a BBEG.
Great Production value for a relatively small channel, keep it going
Appreciate that thank you!
New challenger approaching… good shit subbed
So you missed the part where Oda revealed that Dragon is Garp’s biological son and a former marine and the other part where Garp said to Kuzan “My son chose to become a revolutionary”?
Yes…😂
I mention that in the video lol
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobbythen why make a video about a theory that you know is bullshit?
Oda never said that Dragon is Garp’s “biological” son. If you’re going to try school someone, get your own facts right my man
@@kusoland does your daddy go around telling people that you're his "biological son"? hahaha doubt it. please use your brain
this is some good shit bruh.. i'm somewhat wishing that this is canon.. whoever came up with this, i hope you're having a great meal..
Man..i was lore on the idea that Dragon was Xebec'son...but i like this theory a lot.!!!
Good one.
If Dragon is Rocks and BB is seemingly a Rocks fan (saber of xebec) it’s funny how BB has literally zero respect for Dragon lol
Thats the irony in it all lol, just like how Blackbeard thinks its his destiny to turn the world upside down, its really Luffy's destiny
One thing that would be cool if this ends up being the case or even the case that Rocks is the grandfather of Luffy is that Garp would of ultimately been "Raising" both the son of the pirate king and the son of the most notorious criminal in tandem, and I think that'd be kind of neat.
Dude I love this theory. I don't really like commenting nor theories in general but this one hits differently. Damn you cooking dawg!
I love how you did this video, im surprised you dont have more subs keep it up
Good theory 🔥 I was expecting this to be stupid but thid was epic.
I actually really enjoyed this theory. It made me hope Oda goes in this direction. I will be back here for the big reveal when it happens in the story, that's for sure!
thank you!
Rocks == Big News Morgan
Oda would definitely
I mean Morgan’s low key does control the world
*"bingo" wink with finger pointing*
Where DOES morgan come from?
@ and how/why does he have so much unrivaled power over the world.
I liked your narrative style and the channel name, you deserve. Subscribed 🙏
thank you! Appreciate it! 🙏
I still think Rocks is just the old pirates version of buggy. Someone who is the scapegoat like he is to the cross guild
Cool theory but i think it’s more likely dragon is actually rocks son and maybe Luffys mom is garps daughter and dragon just took the monkey name to hide his true identity. And it would kinda patellar garp watching over ace rogers son
Makes more sense and doesn't require all the nonsensical mental gymnastics that his theory does.
Oda already confirmed dragon is garp's son
This or else dragon mother is rocks daughter
How was i not subbed before this video ?? Great videos!
thank you!
Saw the title. Threw out a like instantly
I don’t think you mentioned this during the video, but this is crazy to me that it adds to your theory even more.
Not sure if I’m spelling it right, but Scwarg’s betrayal in the Paramount War greatly adds to this theory. He was tricked by Akaiinu using information so old that only someone who had such insider information could take advantage of.
Love the video. Interesting Theory
my king has returned
Amazing theory bro
Dragons story will be epic and i suspect has some connection with Rocks, Keen to see it all
It makes more sense if you consider that Luffy has inherited Rocks' will, not Roger's.
Solid Point, cause I definitely got Luffy vibes when Rocks went off on his own lol
Good theory better than most of the popular one piece TH-camrs average videos
Another banger 🎉 What would be crazy is if Dragon with the Revs, go to save Garp on Pirate Island
I really like this good job homie
Been waiting!!
In regards to Sakazuki's links to Dragon I believe that Sakazuki was raised by Garp's right-hand Bogard and I think that Dragon worked in the Naval Internal Affairs division which is why he became disaffected with the marines so quickly.
Disenfranchised, but yeah
Why have I been waiting for this theory
I think rocks may be garps brother and dragons uncle
This would also lead into why Garp was so adamant that all of his "sons" go to the Marines. If his brother was one of the worst pirates in the world. Another reason why he would be willing to team up with Roger to fight Rocks. It was a family matter.
I actually really like this theory the only question that comes to my mind is why would garp fight rocks at godvalley with Roger but then take him under his wing into the marines seems like a total 180
In the heat of the moment a enemy ofvthe marines is still a enemy regardless of ideals. Maybe at the time garp ran into dragon it was a few mins of exchanging thoughts before putting on a act.
So if Rocks became Dragon, no one other than him would know about this, i just played with the idea that Garp might know, but if Garp didnt know about Rocks transformation then theres a chance Garp found a half alive Dragon at God Valley and decided to take him in, I know its a bit confusing lol
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobby i was already caught up to speed but I appreciate the extra notes.
The craziest part of your theory is rocks could of had a full life before reverting back to teenage years and Blackbeard and Luffy could be half brothers🤯
i love hearing crazy theories like this
What if the dragon got the tattoos because it seals rocks from taking back his body again. Would make sense why he’s the most wanted pirate
Tbh I nearly clicked away not even 2 mins into the video but you got me with that reverse psychology
Luffy D. Xebec would be insane
If multiple people have to deage to make a theory make sense the theory does not make sense
Akainu being De-aged was a fun addition to the theory, its only Rocks being De-aged lol
@@ItsAlwaysSunnyInEniesLobbyso is Garp made younger again? He admits Dragon is his son.
@@chadwhitfield6946 Doesn't have to be biological son.
@saeedabdo2083 What? They would be around the same age if he wasn't older than Garp. Lol
There is absolutely a strong chance they are biologically related if they arent the same person. I have also wanted to make a connection between Luffy’s Brazilian roots to Roche the Brazilian but you have so many other supporting points that creates a nice evidence board!
Your cooking on this one I want it to be true very good video
Compelling for sure!!! Not sure how accurate it'll be, but that parallel with Ace Luffy and BB at the end makes it wild.
Thank you!
Im reading billy bat during the break so I'm ready for all kinda craziness
I've read Monster, Pluto and 20th century boys, how's Billy bat hold up in comparisonto urasawas other works? It's the only one I haven't started.
First off, beautiful thumbnail! BUT ALSO, it weirdly fits well with my next video too 😂I think it’s a great theory and super based I love it ❤
Dont mind me just taking notes
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Thank you!!! I knew making this theory it was going to be an up hill battle to try and convince people lol, but as you know as a creator trying to think of "unique" theories in the community is kinda hard when everyone has already thought of everything already lol, if you dont mind me asking was there anything in particular I said thats helping with your next video?
Dragon being on God Valley would also explain why he's so wary of the Holy Knights since he have had first hand encounters with them before
Thanks I will fit this into my agenda
best one piece channel name
haha thank you!
So Rocks was at G-valley to fight against the evil world government. Then he was de-aged and joined the MARINES for uh-reasons. Oh and also tricked Garp into thinking he was his son. Then finding out the world government was EVIL he abandoned his post and started the revolutionary army. Why not just go start the revolutionary army directly from G-valley?
Oh Akinu has to be de-aged too? If you have to fundamentally change more than one character to shoehorn a theory you may want to reconsider? I don’t know.
Less unhinged than the crocomom theories. Good job
Hey, is Toki still with Roger during the God Valley Incident? If yes, maybe Rocks was sent to the future?
I think God Valley was 12-13 years before Roger met Oden and Toki, but that would have been really cool idea! Technically Toki could have been at God Valley and time jumped again cause if I remember correctly she was constantly time jumping to escape danger so its possible lol
Love it. Think it tracks and works thematically
thank you!
Glad you understand
I really like this theory. I’ve always thought rock’s won god valley and the winner writes history so he wrote himself out. Possibly got the opop no mi on GV and personality swapped with someone, maybe imu. But this is a really cool train if thought !
Edit: haven’t finished all the way yet but what if luffy’s mom was the one with the age age fruit and altered rock’s age and married him?
And in marineford garp ONLY called dragon “luffy’s dad”. Therefore i think dragon married into garp’s family i.e married his daughter
While I like some of the points you made, my main issue with this theory is that most of the questions you raised can be answered without Rocks and Dragon being the same person, or the age-age fruit being involved at all. Things like Dragon and Akainu’s relationship and Dragon’s secrecy about his past can be explained with the information we already have. While I agree that the WG probably didn’t report on Rocks’ death because they never confirmed it, I can imagine a couple scenarios where he survives without needing to invent an awakened user of Bonney’s fruit. Your theory about Sakazuki’s name being a reference to his relationship to Dragon could still work without them both being age manipulated. Also, we see Akainu use haki in Marineford, so the latter half about Dragon’s reluctance to fight doesn’t hold up. The scene with Bonny and Akainu can be explained by her being leverage against Kuma, further supported by Akainu’s fight with Kuma. The commonalities between the portrayal of Dragon and Rocks could be an indication that Dragon was directly inspired by Rocks. If Rocks was in fact defending or saving the slaves at God Valley, it would explain Dragon’s deviation from Garp’s influence, since he was sent there as a marine to protect the people hunting those slaves in the first place. It would also add weight to Blackbeard’s constant post-timeskip aggression toward Dragon if they represent opposing sides of Rocks’s legacy. On the topic of Blackbeard, him being Rocks’s son feels like an obvious red herring, and characters like Weevil and Demaro Black might serve as foreshadowing to that. If you combine the idea that Rocks lost his crew but survived god valley with the fact that Blackbeard has two devil fruits, the stronger implication is that Rocks D Xebec lives on in Blackbeard. The comparisons between the Rocks Pirates and Buggy lead many including myself to believe that Buggy is the actual son of Rocks, which would make Roger raising Shanks and Buggy essentially raising the sons of both of his enemies at god valley. On the whole, none of the things you brought up need the age-age fruit to make sense, and your conclusions hinge on that addition. Keep up the good work though I love your videos whether I agree or not.
Loved everything you said, and yeah the whole theory really hinges on the age age fruits power which i knew going into this was going to be a insanely hard sell to get people to agree, but yeah if im completely wrong about everything I definitely think theres a good chance Rocks could have influenced Dragon exactly like you said, If I made the video with that narrative I think it would have been received better lol. And yeah i love the Buggy theory ive heard of that one before and it makes alot of sense especially with their parallels, and I loved the Blackbeard and Dragon dynamic you brought up. I commented this on another comment but for the longest time i wanted to make a theory on Rocks having Brook's devil fruit and when he was killed at God Valley and came back as a soul he couldn't find his body and and to merge his soul with the next body he could find which was Blackbeard, but the timelines dont add up for that too work. But thank you again for watching the video and leaving great feedback I really appreciate it!
This theory could've made sense before the egghead arc
Rocks is a more cold and serious luffy but wasn’t understood on what he was trying to do .he was trying to fight for their freedom due to Rodger bieng young not understanding and garp being tricked into it that why it was garp biggest regret but rocks ain’t buggy it took garp and Rodger to take him down and his conquer haki burst was massive he had to be a top tier
BROOOO okay, So Dragon being Rocks is a stretch but the real theory people are sleeping on here is Saturn using the age age fruit experiments to somehow overcome his rapid aging once Imus spell had been lifted (if that is the case, which it for sure seems like) He was going behind the World government's back with a whole team from the looks of it (referring to the chapter where we see Saturn ordering a team to move Emeth, the ancient robot). Im pretty sure you are right on the nose with that one, like it just makes so much sense, very well done for pointing that out, You've earned yourself a Sub I.A.S.I.E.L
I dont find the idea of this theory particularly compelling but it does ask some interesting questions about Dragon's values and where they could stem from.
I don't think it means Dragon has a hidden past as a different person entirely. It does mean that Dragon's backstory by itself would answer a lot of questions we still have about the world itself
I like the theory but a couple of things bugs me, its possible i missed some things :
- why is dragon a monkey D if he isn’t truly garp’s son?
- why would luffy’s mom be a monkey D if Dragon is already a m D? Wouldn’t that be weird?
- if Bonney’s powers only revert people’s physical form, why would Dragon change also his mentality ? (That one might be explained already i’ll check it up)
-So Dragon would have to come up with a whole new identity if he was Rocks, he can't call himself Rocks D. Xebec anymore, and if Garp took him in then he would just use Garp's "Monkey D." name to blend in as his son.
- All the D clans arent blood related if thats what you're asking for this one, Ace's mom was a D member and so was Roger, so I think Luffy would parallel Ace in a way.
- Bonney's distorted future power changes age and alters appearances, but doesn't change their minds, so Dragon didn't change his mentality from when he was Rocks.
I hope I answered everything so it makes sense a little better, but thank you for liking the theory!
Def possible to be named something but not actually be the son, did people forget when ace was revealed to be gold Roger’s son lol
@@JI-yd6fb Exact opposit situation lol, Ace had his mother's name, All i'm saying is Ace was named Portgas, not Monkey, it would've been safer for Ace to actually be called Monkey.. but for some reason they didn't think to do that for him when they did it for dragon? Seems weird to me
I never heard of a theory of Roc's being Dragon before. I like it. 🤔🙂
Why? It's the dumbest thing ever and makes no sense. It's literally impossible.
You lost me at the fleet admiral, but then you got me back when you brought up Bonnie and what he said very interesting maybe if Oda was thinking that far ahead
what if dragon is xebec child who was aged by that chubby pink girl from wano
My theory is Dragon and Rocks are related. Yes, Garp mentioned Dragon is his son but maybe he adopted him. Ace Sabo and Luffy consider each other “brothers” but aren’t related. We see a lot of similarities between older characters finding themselves looking over a beloved orphan like Corazon and Law..Kinemon and Momonuske…Whitebeard and Ace. I wouldn’t be surprised , orphanage is a common theme in the show
Love the idea… however, I think the notion of inherited will here makes more sense. That would tie a lot of the concepts you brought in that tie these two characters together much more cleanly.
Yeah I think the video would have been received way better if I went down that route and it might very well be the case lol but thank you!
This set of theories does make sense, from a certain point of view…
There has to be a massive reason we still know next to nothing about Dragon and his abilities.
from the point of view of a level 5 impel down prisoner maybe
I am convinced
I think you cooked, but we'll see..
Didn't dragon tell sabo he was raised in Gao kingdom? He also implied he was from a noble family from the way he related to sabo during that flashback.
I have been preaching this theory to friends for the last few years. I however think its much more likely that, Dragon ate a mythical zoan, a hito hito no mi with wind and storm powers HOWEVER his fruit is so powerful, much like the gorosei's that he is almost lost in the will of his fruit when he uses it, even if when he loses himself he is still liberating and rebelling. We've seen it with Luffy, the impel down jailers (to the worst degree) and the gorosei, whom have shown remorse for people while in human form and in demon form or in short time span from changing they despise humans. There are more to devil fruits than people give credit.
to this day i still believe that dragon's face tattoo isn't a tattoo, but a branding. in one piece we've seen two brands: the claw of the celestial dragons and the sun pirates, both turn the skin red and the mark on dragon's face is red, this could also lead to him being the man marked by flames, who rides a dark ship
Or that's who became his mentor and he joined in on their customs, the more I think about it, the more Im convinced that a small fraction of whomever couldve hid from the WG, even if its "just" in elbaph or skypeia 2.0.
We got the info about lunarians basically being able to live anywhere and my head just naturally assumed there has to be at least one left in a volcano somewhere, if not still a small tribe.
Both of these fractions also have a connection to tattoos, face tattoos in particular.
Yeah and since Garp adopted dragon after God Valley, this makes eerily too much sense.
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Before watching the video all i have to say is that Dragon was shown as a marine during God Valley. How could he be rocks?
It's clickbait bullshit. Nothing useful in this video.
No, he wasn't. Where? In what chapter?
@@saeedabdo2083 Let me peep rq. All these chapters blend together in time.
Read egghead arc and you'll know he was a marine
Not in the slightest but still loves the video!!
I’d be more inclined to believe Blackbeard is rocks than dragon, but it was a good video though
Thank you! It would explain a lot of things about Blackbeard and how he knows so damn much lol
Dragon is Garps son and hasn’t it been confirmed in one piece that Dragon was former Marine?
Oh wait you’re talking about it rn
I’ve been saying Rocks is Dragon for some time now it’s good to know I’m not the only one and no longer feel crazy
God Valley from when we saw it looks like Thriller Bark. That’s what they meant when they said it was on no maps. It is moving.
I agree
Damn I’m not the only one who think rocks is dragon also. How would dragon know about the god knights and their power? He had to encounter them in action on god valley. If rocks is a new character why is oda hiding him unless it’s gonna be a surprise. Luffy is 19 and a yonko, dragon was 17 at god valley.
Turning dragon or kuma back doesn't need distorted past. It could just be regular deaging
subscribed IMMEDIATELY after this vid popped up in recc and saw your channel name. i wonder whose boy's hole ennies lobby really is...?
when was chapter 4 billion released? i think i missed it.
It was a promotional chapter that came out with "Film Red" its canon just like Chapter 0 is
The story straight us tells us Garp get his Hero Title due to God Valley and that’s why he dislikes the title.
yes we all know but this added to the reason of why he hates it. it would be a perfect parallel to alabasta/smoker too
A show with million theories, is a show with million unanswered questions, at some point we need to make piece with the fact that Oda is making it up, and everytime he "runs" out of fuel, he insert a shadow figure, or a vague statement to send you off to a wild goose chase. Anime has been on tv for over 20 years, and yet we have nothing except "theories" that keeps us asleep at night because someone cant answer a simple question or confirm it without it being vague.
It's a manga, you know, a fictional story. Oda literally made it all up. Luffy wasn't a real person. Devil fruits aren't real. You do know this, right?
@@chadwhitfield6946 You missed my point, i didnt mean creatively, i meant story and continuation wise, he had a concept of plan, then you build a plot, then the ending, then everything in between, your characters, powers, worlds, blah blah, except he only had a few of those, i bet he doesnt even the know the ending of the story himself, hence the "he is making it up as he goes", for reference check out A Song Of Ice And Fire aka Game Of Thrones, the writer "stopped" writing 10 years ago, he was supposed to drop 2 last books.
Going to Oda, for 20 years and plus, the fans and himself don't know what the One Piece is, you cant say its treasure(money, gems, riches) it wont work, the crew dont need that,you cant say its "knowledge" Luffy doesnt need that, what about power to control all lives? thats not it either, could be the "friends we made all along" though, that could work, except fans will hate it.
on the making it part again, i was referring to all the times he had an opportunity to show us how something works or explain by words or detailed drawing on how such works but didnt, aka Acoq and all that, nobody can identify Advanced Arma or Conq on manga or anime, "black lightning"?, some stuff i can give him a pass on, aka Luffy touching Enel without Haki, one of the many times he made sheet up.
in conclusion, we are not idiots, he should stop treating us like we are, instead of following one plot(A plot) and concluding it, he drops it off in the middle of nowhere, continue with C plot or start another plot. We should have gotten Saturn and Emeth story of 200 years ago. He had 3 occasions to explain, in details what happened during the Aokiji vs Akainu battle, 1 Punk Hazard, 2 when Kuzan met with BB in the club(haha) or 3 during the Kuzan and Garp battle, he didnt, because he doesnt know what happened.
We still dont know who VegaPunk, and Borsalino are and we got a "full" arc dedicated to them.
who the duck is Weevil's dad and how was he conceived? one of the things that Vega punk should have mentioned while explaining the creation of the Seraphims..
see... oh wait, show the readers 8 shadow figures and call them the royal guards or knights, that will stop from asking questions and noticing my mistakes or lack of creativity. THATS MAKING SHEET UP
I thought of this a few months ago and I jus thought I was crazy.
Dragon is rocks son makes so much more sense
At 17:07 are you saying "In chapter four billion"?
yup, chapter 4 billion was a promotional canon chapter for the movie "Film Red"
Like Toki i think theres no devil fruit that can change Past. only future also i have theory garp is there with marines and his second in command is no other than dragon. dragons real father is Xebec, Luffys Mom is Garp Child.
Wow I'm subscribing this theory is crazy feel true
Well thought out!!
You didn't address why did Roger consider Rocks as his "arch nemesis" if he was such a good person
Sengoku said that not Roger, and like I said in the video Sengoku is only relying what the news portrayed about Rocks, for all we know Rocks could have been a good guy, look how Sengoku viewed Ace and Luffy, he thinks they are terrible criminals but us as viewers know thats not even close to who they are as people
Yeah, I didn’t click on the video 4 or so times, but it kept appearing on my feed.
Dragon as Rocks is a neat idea, I also like if Hiruluk was a weakened Rocks. The other person I could see as Rocks is Sengoku, before eating the buddah fruit making him wiser/calmer and havin Tsuru wash his soul?
ooooo the Hiruluk idea is very interesting, Ive been looking to make a Hiruluk video for a while now, I think Hiruluks story portrays what happened to joyboy, the 20 doctors in drum kingdom parallel the 20 kings of the world government and since hiruluk was tricked I think this might be how Joyboy was defeated
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I think the story of Joyboy may tie into the Norse story of Frejya and the dwarves.
She sleeps with the 4 dwarves of the 4 directions for a necklace the brisingman. Loki finds out tells Odin, who makes loki steal it for him. Frejya wants it back but Odin tells her she has to complete a task for her.
She has to make 2 kings, both lead a group of 20 kings, fight each other until there is a winner. However, both sides can't die and resurrect over and over again (some stories turn to stone at night n back in the day), until one day a special person comes along a Christian/baptized non pagan, who when he kills their men they stay dead, this could be luffy, as the christ like figure/baldur?
One reason I think Oda might be able to pull something like what this video suggests is because he managed to do something similar with Haki already. One Piece started in 1997 and Haki first appeared around 2008ish story wise not lore wise. I personally think that Oda experimented with things in real time with the series. He created Mantra to serve as merely the prototype for what would eventually become Haki overtime. I even think Chopper is experimental character that Oda created to test out variety of things.
The three main things that stand out for me:
Chopper's Point=Luffy's various Gears
Rumble Ball= Various things but the most stand out on being Zoans with more then three forms and Smile Fruits or just Smile in general
Monster Point= Devil Fruit Awakenings
I certainly like the possibility of it, take my sub
I feel like this theory would make some more sense with a few tweaks. Like for one maybe Rocks was a distorted future of Dragon, instead of Dragon being a distorted past of Rocks. Then you wouldn’t have to speculate about so much we don’t know. In this theory, Dragon is the biological son of Garp, he was a marine, and disguised himself as Rocks in order to go against the celestial dragons without them knowing who he was. The user of the time time fruit was a member of his crew, which is how he was able to keep up his disguise, until that crew member died on god valley, allowing the devil fruit to reappear and be claimed by the government, eventually reaching Bonney. When the original Tim time fruit user died, Rocks returned to Dragon, and having been defeated at god valley and his entire crew having been killed or abandoned him, he chose to instead establish the revolutionary army and openly oppose the government as himself.
That's crazy
Imma listen