THE FINAL SHOWDOWN! Fate/Stay Night: UBW Episode 24 Reaction | AVR2

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  • @Nixthyo
    @Nixthyo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    5:22 Ea cannot be copied. That’s what the small scene from last episode was implying when Shirou said he cannot read the construction of the weapon.

  • @someoneelse4939
    @someoneelse4939 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    6:20 You're right, but Gilgamesh really enjoys human drama and watching mortals struggle. For him, waiting for Shirou and Saber to finish to talk is kinda like watching a theater play.
    Also, he considers himself way too superior to Shiro to use a sneak attack on him: as you've seen, he even refuses to use Ea (his strongest weapon) against Shirou, just because he doesn't consider him worthy.

    • @piaxerofchaos1309
      @piaxerofchaos1309 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah, it would be very out of character for Gilgamesh to instantly finish Shirou with Ea. It's same thing if real life president of nuclear country would order nuclear strike against single ant. it would be stupid to use your strongest weapons again very weak enemy. 😂

  • @nadoghost146
    @nadoghost146 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    It's reasonable to think that Archer was summoned as a Counter Guardian and that's why he's back. But that's not what happened. Archer just 400 IQ'd everyone by dematerializing just as Gil fired at him and escaped behind the dust, leaving behind pieces of his cloak to fool him. Then he spent the next day munching on forest animals (the famous einzbern forest ghosts) for mana. That guy's pretty wild.
    P/s: Yes, it's schlocky writing, and it wasn't even explained in the OG game, but in an author's interview. But there's a certain charm in Archer's last act being a nonsense moment you'd expect from a classical shounen hero.

    • @mylesobrien7477
      @mylesobrien7477 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Man Archers gurrillla warfare would be impossible to beat

    • @BekindBekbek
      @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Dude faked even his own death) Truly a master of imitation

    • @TheSageFlare
      @TheSageFlare 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Nasu did say that jokingly though, so who knows. Though didn't he also mention that Archer made a bunch of stockpiles of weapons around the city that he absorbed on for their energy or am I just imagining stuff again?
      Also, Archer OP. Dude stretched Independent Action way past its limit. He deployed a Reality Marble, the one spell that the World will specifically jump at to obliterate, two times with no energy source. Gets stabbed. Gets shot at with swords and hit. Gets shot at again but runs away. Survives for a whole ass day. Handcrafts bow and arrow just to kill Gil.
      The best part is that there is another explanation that gets forgotten but works in tandem with Archer hunting around. Determination is literally a canonical way to generate magical energy. The amount of determination needed though is immense to even get a small amount, but it is possible. Archer really did pull a shounen hero moment.

    • @BekindBekbek
      @BekindBekbek 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheSageFlare as far as I know, second deployment of RM was anime-only and basically happened because "rule of cool"

    • @TheSageFlare
      @TheSageFlare 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BekindBekbek Anime is also canon, just slightly different timelines. Also, Nasu's writing style is literally rule of cool. It's why I love his works

  • @BekindBekbek
    @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    A couple things about Reality Marble.
    It is extremely difficult and complicated magic (and forbidden too), you can say it`s one step from True magic. The concept itself of it is basically alien to humans, which makes it`s extremely rare.
    One of key requirements for obtaining this type of spell is specific state of mind that that can be considered as form of insanity. Because of that, normal mage will have to spend many decades, if not hundreds of years to make it happen.
    In UBW, Shirou learned in less than 2 weeks, because of Archer`s influence. Without it, he will still achieve it in 10 to 20 years. IIRC, Shirou was like 7th human being in history who achieved it (if it wasn`t retconned). Not because he is that good, but because he was insane from the start.
    Heroic Spirits and other beings are beyond human understanding, so among them using Reality Marbles is more common practice.

  • @lothara.schmal5092
    @lothara.schmal5092 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    The reason Shirou is a fake is not because he learned this ideology from someone else, it’s because he never made it his own. In the VN this is clearer, but the reason Shirou wants to save people is because he wants to imitate the happiness Kiritsugu felt that day, he wishes to recreate that moment, and doesn’t allow himself to feel joy or fun doing anything else.

  • @BekindBekbek
    @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    12:05 That part of soundtrack is called Excalibur.
    13:16 And this is Emiya theme. It got over 20 remixes over the years and has it`s own version for pretty much every member of this strange family

  • @BekindBekbek
    @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    10:20 "I won`t let him drag me to his level! I will come to his level myself, shatter it, and bring both of us down to my level" - Shirou, probably

  • @lopezroilans.8384
    @lopezroilans.8384 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    9:45 just for comparison's sake, the VN fight was a tad more gritty and close, because Shirou actually cannot afford to let Gil think for a second because no matter how much faster he can shoot out his blades than Gil, Gil only needs a moment to overpower him and win.
    Also, Gil isn't bad at CQC. Matter of fact, he is pretty decent at it. The problem was that Shirou is pressuring him with relentless assaults from everywhere and was shutting down his Gates of Babylon faster than he can fire anything out of them while also getting close so Gil has to defend and try to attack at the same time.

  • @BekindBekbek
    @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    6:40 Not mad, he is insane. I mean that`s one of key requirements for being able to use Reality Marble as human being (not needed for Servants and other beings).

    • @TheSageFlare
      @TheSageFlare 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I mean, insane is not really the right word. Insanity is still something that exists as part of Gaia's common sense. I get the meaning, but the right way to frame it would be, "alien mindset". Shirou thinks in a way to runs counter to common sense from Earth. It's not a mindset that can be copied by another human and can't ever be understood through the lens of a human.

  • @BekindBekbek
    @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    18:20 Among people that are close to Rin, only Shirou calls her just "Tohsaka"

  • @elishaj2977
    @elishaj2977 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It should be noted that servant containers are quite limited compared to the original heroes themselves. Especially when the heroes like Gilgamesh originate from the Age of Gods. And even as a servant Gilgamesh really, and I mean really held back even beyond not using his insta win trump card Ea. He had his armor, the chains of heaven which could have at least occupied Shirou, the billion other things in his Gates that aren't necessarily weapons, he could have jumped through his gates to other parts of th battlefield, used his Foresight, actually floated like a DBZ character, called upon the elements like fire, ice, etc. from his gates which Shirou cannot copy. Instead Gilgamesh wanted to fight Shirou one on one as fairly as possible to prove his own superiority. He is offended at Shirou the faker for many reasons 1. Namely being that as the Demigod who is meant to b the bridge between worlds and observes mankind even having ruled mankind in Babylonia for a time he admires mankind's finest achievments which Heroic Spirits and especially their weapons reflects meanwhile Shirou gets to copy these legends scot free with none of the work. 2. Shirou's ability copies his own treasures which is an affront to his kingliness, and 3. Shirou's abilities are a bit too similar to the one man he called his friend and equal which strikes a hard nerve for him. So yeah this fight definitely has some interesting complexity when considering the expanded lore of Fate pertaining to Gilgamesh.

    • @TheGenreVerse
      @TheGenreVerse  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wow... Thanks for sharing the context on Gil there.

  • @aqrxv
    @aqrxv 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I agree that Zero -> Unlimited Blade Works (and then the Heavens Feel movies) is the best watch order. Followed by Grand Order/Babylonia as that brings back more Zero/UBW characters.

  • @izurukamakura237
    @izurukamakura237 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Yeah for whatever reason the anime made it seem like archer died when that never happened in the visual novel he just flat out survives

    • @Carsu12
      @Carsu12 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      He doesn't though? It's very similar to how they depicted it in anime. He saveed Shirou and disappeared, presumed to be dead.

    • @nathanieljohnson5430
      @nathanieljohnson5430 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@Carsu12 Presumed is the key word there, he fakes his death knowing he has no chance against Gil the way he is at the time.

    • @Carsu12
      @Carsu12 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@nathanieljohnson5430 Yeah, but that's not the point. OP presented VN version as if he explicitly survived and everyone thought he was still alive, which was not the case.

    • @ssjokg4952
      @ssjokg4952 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Why lie like that?
      The VN clearly makes it look like he dies and the only time we got ANY explanation over how he survived was from external material.

  • @maksfronczak9365
    @maksfronczak9365 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Time for the final Fate, Heaven's Feel!

  • @Hezeri
    @Hezeri 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There's always going to be a fight with the watch order when it comes to Anime adaptations, because basically none of them are "correct". And in my opinnion, out of all the released Fate anime series, this is the best way to experience it. Both Zero and UBW anime were designed to be watched in this order, and UBW anime assumes that you already know some of the basics on how things work (similar in the VN as you would have read/played through the Fate-route before being able to get into UBW).
    And as a Fate snob, the right way to "watch" it all would be to read the VN routes in order (Fate->UBW->Heaven's Feel) and then watch/read Zero. But I'd never demand someone else to invest that much time into all of it.
    Whatever you enjoy, is the right way to experience it.

  • @themetronomian7239
    @themetronomian7239 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    HEAVENS FEEEL COMING UP AND I CANT WAIT

    • @TheGenreVerse
      @TheGenreVerse  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Have patience 😆

  • @Darkdoom999
    @Darkdoom999 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You guys are gonna love Heaven's Feel.

  • @Carsu12
    @Carsu12 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Personally, I think if you are not going to read original Fate route of Fate/Stay Night visual novel (or at least watch 2006 Deen version of Fate/Stay Night, which for the most part covers this route), it's better to watch Fate/Zero before Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works. Because in Fate route, both Gilgamesh and Kirei are more prominent and expanded upon, which Unlimited Blade Works in some parts takes for granted, skimming their characterisation or even sidelining them. It is written with assumption you've seen previous route and know some things. Some of those things are covered by Fate/Zero, so it's probably closer to intended experience than watching it raw.

    • @BekindBekbek
      @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      small correction: original VN was released in 2004, Deen anime came out in 2006

    • @Retrovorious
      @Retrovorious 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They already watched the Deen version. It’s just not on TH-cam.

    • @BekindBekbek
      @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Retrovorious they watched it but then dropped (at least of YT) somewhere in the middle of first season

    • @Retrovorious
      @Retrovorious 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BekindBekbek they watched the rest but didn’t put it on TH-cam.

    • @ssjokg4952
      @ssjokg4952 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Zero is NEVER intended to be the first.

  • @ebowles181
    @ebowles181 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    As for watch order thoughts the one that should always be last is the Heaven's Feel films, everything else is just kind of pick one and go from there...

    • @BekindBekbek
      @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      IMO, you or doing Zero and then FSN routes (at least UBW and HF), or doing routes and then Zero. Putting Zero between UBW and HF is probably worst choice.

  • @Gaming_Groove
    @Gaming_Groove 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I guess there are a few things that change if you watch UBW first, which is how I did it. I don't think it's explicitly revealed who Saber is until quite late in UBW, whereas it's in episode 1 of Zero. This was something I already knew via osmosis, but I could see it being a surprise for some. You don't really know about Avalon, though I think the "Fate" route in the visual novel deals with that more as well. That Kotomine killed Rin's father is a good twist if you haven't seen Zero. Kiritsugu's personality and past is very shocking in Zero if you saw UBW first since you were first exposed to him as a kind father figure to Shirou. It might be different if I went into it with no expectation of what he was like. Sakura's past is also very unexpected and shocking. I'm sure there's much more I'm not thinking of.
    I don't think there's necessarily a wrong order, but I enjoyed my decision to watch UBW first. It's impossible to know, but I think either way is valid. I imagine (excluding the quality of the movies) the argument is like the Star Wars watch order debate. "I am your father" is like "well duh" if you saw the prequels first, for an obvious example.
    I'm currently reading the visual novel to get the "Fate" route, which is its own interesting experience, then I'll probably just watch Heaven's Feel instead of going through reading the rest of the VN. Despite being on the older end of anime watchers, I never gave this franchise a chance until the last year or so. I've really enjoyed my time with it, so I'm glad to see others experience and discuss it as well. Thanks for sharing your reactions!

    • @TheGenreVerse
      @TheGenreVerse  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Respectfully even! 😆 We've actually not had too many negative interactions with Fate fans. Nowhere near what we feared having heard about some of the more... Excited fans.

  • @anthonyg8750
    @anthonyg8750 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I recently found your's guys channel and binged watched your fate reactions

    • @TheGenreVerse
      @TheGenreVerse  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Happy you found us, and thanks for watching and commenting! We hope to find that short ending episode.

    • @anthonyg8750
      @anthonyg8750 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheGenreVerse I believe the alternative ending is called Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works 2nd Season - Sunny Day, it's 9 minutes long (for some reason I though it was 5).Hope this helps ❤️

  • @Wally_West
    @Wally_West 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The thing with Fate/Zero is that it's a prequel, and it spoils a lot of important details about Heaven's Feel especially
    When you read the visual novel it starts with the Fate route (the same one of the 2006 anime), then UBW and lastly HF.

    • @mystic_eyesofcrucifixion6772
      @mystic_eyesofcrucifixion6772 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The thing is you can’t start with 2006 Fsn adaptation because just like Zero it’s spoils ubw and heavens feels too. They blend in ubw and heavens feels to the Fate route which will misled the viewers. If you start with the 2006 version you might as well watch zero first for the better experience. But until a remake to the fate route is made, realistically ubw would be the fist way to start in anime form.

  • @andrewpheng7253
    @andrewpheng7253 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The ego you have to have to still look like you can win after getting your arm cut off lol

    • @TheGenreVerse
      @TheGenreVerse  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Tis but a flesh wound!

  • @rampantkitsune450
    @rampantkitsune450 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You did spend a lot of time wondering when Sakura was going to do something though, which wouldn't happen if you watched UBW first. Fate really doesn't have a "best" watch order, just a handful of presumed bests.

  • @まるで話にならん
    @まるで話にならん 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    let'sgo hevens feel

  • @Javier_sama
    @Javier_sama 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    6:20 he is obsessed with Saber, that may be the reason

  • @imdear459
    @imdear459 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just when he watched HF, he would even more conflict about the watch order😂😂

  • @Hero-Human
    @Hero-Human 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The best decision, see Zero before Stay Night

  • @BekindBekbek
    @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Knowing stuff from Zero doesn`t really works against UBW and with how adaptation was made probably even might help sometimes. It`s Heavens Feel that actually gets most of impact from that decision, because it`s quite literally Star Wars situation with it`s original and prequel trilogies (You watched it, right? It would be shame to accidentally give spoilers from another franchise for you).

    • @BekindBekbek
      @BekindBekbek 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And of course it`s very sad that with all that Fate route got basically abandoned because of all that. From what I know, UfoTable started from UBW because they didn`t want to disrespect 2006 anime by ignoring it, but with that they accidentaly helped to bury it. It`s not their fault, but still.

    • @TheGenreVerse
      @TheGenreVerse  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have seen all of the Star Wars movies... 6 of them are various levels of awful lol

  • @KaiserAdomin
    @KaiserAdomin 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Now watch Heaven's Feel Trilogy 🚬 they're coming to Crunchyroll on December 19th

  • @Xenosix
    @Xenosix 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I mean if you want to enjoy Fate/stay night as a whole you need to at least watch 2006, UBW and heaven's feel i mean it like a complete story and if you skip one you are missing some stuff and i guess you can count in zero aswell the rest are all cannon but different stories and spinoffs

    • @TheGenreVerse
      @TheGenreVerse  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      We'll get the movies done eventually.

  • @kittithattriyakhan3744
    @kittithattriyakhan3744 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is a alternative ending called summer day, you should react to it.

  • @aizensosuke18
    @aizensosuke18 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When are you reacting to Dandadan eps. 10?

    • @TheGenreVerse
      @TheGenreVerse  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      When Christine is done with the bug we've been fighting. I could record stuff today as I'm about 80% better, but she's still dealing with a fever, cough, and other symptoms.
      Thanks for your patience.

  • @eizy1010
    @eizy1010 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    To be fair....I dislike Gilgamesh due to his arrogance...king of heroes? It's about time someone took the title from him

    • @wymg4480
      @wymg4480 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      His arrogance honestly makes his character likeable and flawed. Ironically, his arrogance is literally the cause of his defeat in every route. Dude in this battle couldve pulled out Ea instantly to shatter Unlimited Blade Works just like he did to Iskander. Or hell, use Chains of Heaven. Or Excalibur and other divine weapons that Shirou cannot copy without damaging himself. Or just wear his golden armor which is actually really strong defense. But nah, dude just stood there buck naked throwing swords cuz he couldnt stand the idea of actually fighting Shirou. Even when he said "I have to go all out" hes not even throwing that many weapons. If we seen him in Fate Strange Fake, when he actually respects his opponent, the level of weapons he threw would've overwhelmed even Shirou's UBW. Dude is the epitome of ego and arrogance. It is entertaining though lol

  • @undeade.t7044
    @undeade.t7044 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    if you're going to have trouble editing reactions to the heavens feel movies, I suggest you skip heavens feel because it essentially the same story as blade works but with Sakura as the heroine instead of Rin with a few differences. I suggest skipping it and moving on to Apocrypha which is a series and come back to it later

    • @nadoghost146
      @nadoghost146 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      Extreeeemely bad take. It's a completely different story, what are you even talking about...

    • @kojoappiah7088
      @kojoappiah7088 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      Nah it is a completely different story

    • @OBL-PMT
      @OBL-PMT 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Well if you want story and solve some unanswer questions, it's better to not skip.
      And better watch all Stay/Night(s) before watching others Spin-off stories.

    • @undeade.t7044
      @undeade.t7044 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      you all do realize that all the Fate stay/night routes are just alternative versions of the same story just so fans can see their favorite girl get with the Shiro right?

    • @Closetorouter619
      @Closetorouter619 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      There are bad takes and then there is this.
      I have heavy criticism for the Heavens Feel movies but straight up telling them to not watch is just telling yourself you're on the same level as Shinji