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They should have just re-engineered it to have an engine and transmission instead of killing it off. A cheaper, smaller alternative to the Grenadier from them would have been nice.
Not possible with a skateboard chassis.
@@no1DdC I'm also wondering if they're not seeing enough of a profit from the Grenadier to continue with the project.
Whether it is this model or a different design, I think a stripped down and cheaper variant is the only way Ineos could go mainstream and be more than a rich person’s toy.
they could just develop a plug in grenadier ineos with 2 or quad motors with a 3-4 cylinder petrol generator for range extender.
Problem is, there are very few companies out there who can make a cheaper and smaller alternative which is also profitable. Ineos is a startup, they can't afford to lose money on low end cars like GM.
Ineos were depending on Magna and Magna got spooked by the Fisker failure they were involved with.
magna would take any deal they can and ineos is a much more serious business than fisker ever was
@fazeobama8872 If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell to you.
There is one more thing - Mercedes will be a significant client for Magna, it actually is since the 70‘s. Now guess they are to produce a direct competitor to the electric G-wagon ? What do you think Mercedes thinks about that ?
I assume they had a strong opinion about it.
They likely were planning using a Chinese battery. New Tariffs related to domestic battery protection both in Canada and the USA and perhaps else where was a likely a major deterrent.
No, they’re using the Samsung battery
If they still wanna bring it to Market, all they have to do is make the range extender version. The only version you can buy.
I'm willing to bet. After the I-PACE and Ocean financial EV debacles. That Magna required additional financial insurance by Ineos. Before production started.
Who wants an old school electric offroader?
How big is the overlap between early adopters who want the latest tech and the old school buyer who wants front solid axles?
I do 🙋♂️
Canada’s vehicle import laws allow 15 years and older, so my plan is to grab a LHD mid/late 2000s 70-series Land Cruiser and retrofit. My current estimate is well under what the Grenadier costs, but I might have reconsidered if the Fusilier came to NA before I find the right truck and didn’t cost some ridiculous amount.
@@lukaszszostak2696 I would love to have exactly that.
Just FYI a Grenadier is a soldier who launches or throws grenades and a Fusilier is a soldier whose primary weapon is a rifle. The INOS having two models seemed like a good idea but better if the Fusilier was sold in the $60,000 dollar range as an electric, hybrid or a gasoline powered vehicle.
I love their seemingly straightforward honesty.
Case does a great job! Love this kid! Keep it up, brother.
He does know his stuff
4 cylinder diesel and I would be very interested
Me too, brother...
4 cylinder diesel…..flashback to my 2000 Jetta TDI. I got almost 400k out of that vehicle.
The land cruiser prado still has that. But in the U.S they sell the Land cruiser prado as a Land cruiser with petrol engine. People outside U.S are disappointed that toyota is still putting that same 15 year old engine in the prado. But hey why fix something when it aint broke.
The problem isn't that there isn't anyone buying EVs, it's that outside of Tesla, no one is making a profit selling them
Tesla's profit has fallen 50%, and they had negative cash flow in Q1 of 2024. Things aren't exactly rosy for Tesla either.
Yeah depreciation hitting hard too so for people that want an ev why buy new?
Ford lost $130,000 on every EV it sold in the 1st quarter of 2024!!
Space Karen has tanked his company's profitability hard. You're deluded if you think Tesla is doing well.
Pretty sure BYD is making money on them. Selling more vehicles than Tesla too
Like Tommy, for efficiency and innovation , likely better than a hybrid , yet the range extender gets you A to B without worrying about range as much, Concept RAM was another with suck a system. Sounds like funding vanished for mass production.
Perhaps there was a"contractual conflict of interest" between Mercedes & Magna. Meaning Magna would be producing a competing vehicle at same facility as G-Wagon that would also undercut Mercedes.?? 🤔
Good point. Ineos’ explanation makes no sense with the planned range extender.
Haha, exactly my thoughts.
They are probably waiting to see how the electric G-wagon sells.
Or Mercedes might have talked to Magna and point to a potential competition clause, especially then the car to be built has an almost striking similarity to the G-wagon.
Not sure how TFL is saying they are selling well. I just checked my local Inneos dealer in LA - Rusnack - and it looks like they still have the same 20 cars on lot that they had a month ago, available for sale. LA is car poseur market - if you cannot sell a $90K SUV here, you are in trouble.
TFL should get the actual registration numbers to see how they are selling. If they can't move the standard SUV, you think it is a good idea to bring in a new one?
Anectdotally there a lot of Ineos running around in Colorado so that's probably why. This is the perfect market for them and they seem to be doing well here.
They’re all OVER LA, mate. What are you talking about? I see them EVERYWHERE here!
@@Queensizemusic I have seen one. I live in the South Bay. Haven't seen any in Venice, Santa Monica, Marina, West LA.. One in Hermosa Beach. The rest seem to be on Rusnak's lot. I want to be everywhere so I know they are going to stick around. They look awesome IRL, especially that Magic Mushroom colour. I thought the pale blue would be my favourite but nope!
Just a PSA to do a quick search for, or ask an AI chatbot to explain, “hasty generalization” and “anecdotal fallacy”.
But as far as L.A., people who buy $200k G-Class as a status symbol aren’t going to spend half that on an unknown brand with a debatably $40k-level interior. The Ineos is not a car that “poseurs” are going to shell out $90k for.
@@husshardan3511 I’ve seen five in SaMo/Venice area, but most here in Malibu/Agoura/Westlake. And, yes! That’s my fave color too!
Ford’s CEO the other day said to make EVs viable in the American market, buyers would have to accept smaller and less substantial vehicles. I think that he’s right however Americans are just unwilling to accept smaller, less capable vehicles at this time. It’s going to happen for sure but electric vehicles are expensive playthings for the Uber wealthy and every day people will continue to buy gas powered vehicles cause of the low cost. What has done irreparable harm to the EV movement was last winters Chicago dead Tesla event. Over 50 of the electric cars went dead while connected to chargers in a Chicago parking lot. The idea that you just can’t start your car and go doesn’t appeal to me or most people. Gasoline powered vehicles handled the deep freeze perfectly fine. So reduced size and capabilities don’t really appeal to car buyers right now especially those facing budget constraints
They need to make small cars that just have decent ground clearance. Every car is dropped a few inches just to snag an extra MPG or few miles of range. New cars are always scraping curbs, plowing into snow, and smashing rocks on dirt roads. This wasn't really a problem 30 years ago and sedans could drive around quite easily. I think the Rivian R3 is going to be a hit.
Look at all the high-end electric EVs and non-EVs around the world.... So your rant has nothing to do with America or this vehicle... Have fun on your pointless soapbox...
and go tell Norway and it's 90% + EV adoption rate..... That electric vehicles these can not handle the cold....
Best decision Inios ever made. Put a badass v6 in it, and LET'S GO!!!!!
You mean like Toyota did? lol
Regarding market development for EVs in Europe: the growth of EVs in Europe is mainly driven by company cars for employees in management positions. Depending on the country you get some real big tax advantages if you choose for an EV as compared with a fuel-driven car. Only a few people buy an EV from private budget and for private use. Cars in Europa are much more expensive than they are in the US and EVs are specifically expensive. So even the smallest EV, the Renault Zoe (which they do not produce anymore) had a price at around 40.000 €! By far the cheapest EV around is the small Fiat 500 which starts at about 30.000 € without any extras.
My mom had one of these. It was called a Geo Tracker😂😂😂😂😂. I seriously thought of it when I saw picture. Or a Suzuki Jimmy on steroids.
LOL, same here. At first glance, I thought it was a Suzuki
Tell your mom's I said hi 😂😂I used to have a few women friends who owned these😉
@@ruh-ul-qudussaid8446Damn bro!
Lol thank guys, Kase I love the comment about why they stopped production.
EV sales are only "rising" due to lack of ample timeline. Recent reported increases are soon to be recognized as due to price cuts and inventory dumps. It would be antithetical to think companies are going to cut back on a viable market.
There has been a massive dump of dirt cheap chinese EV's flooding the european market which is skewing numbers as well.
How are those Whale Oil lamps working out for you?
I love that body design. I would love to see it like someone else said. 4 cylinder diesel. Yet. I would love to see it with a 5-speed manual transmission. Then. I would buy one.
It's really simple. Ineos doesn't have deep enough pockets to subsidize the losses that an electric model would generate. They have to contact everything out, so their cost position is not good to begin with. Then you add tariff pressures and regulatory uncertainty and it starts to look like a great way to sink the company.
It's a smart decision.
I cannot see these being popular in rural UK and our cities are becoming less and less car friendly.
Your initial assumption I ask.... why?..... Since it has the best of both worlds...
The efficiency of the range extender is generally less efficient than a straight gas or traditional hybrid due to the weight of the giant empty battery, and if the typical trips for a rural resident are long enough to require the range extender without enough time to charge between trips in a single day, than you you lose the main benefit of the EV part (short range trips/commutes with plenty of time to charge at home between trips).
To the contrary a range extender is infinitely more efficient than ICE is or a parallel hybrid..... Since it's primary mode of transportation comes from electricity from batteries That Power an Electric Motor.... Which is infinitely more efficient than a heat engine ie an ICEV... Check out Carnot's theorem...
The added weight, is a trivial consideration relative to the difference efficiency between an electric motor and an ICE.... The range extender does add some inefficiency relative to a BEV, but it's a sensible insurance policy
@@nc3826 I don't see how it has the best of both worlds. I would say it is nearly the opposite of best of both worlds.
It is too big to comfortably park in a lot of car parks and in the countryside it is hardly a sensible workhorse.
Our drive has an old Hyundai Terracan for towing duties, an old diesel Toyota estate for daily stuff and an LDV Convoy for moving hay about. We also have ponies and traps in and out daily doing oddments. All of those are easier to live with than an electric g wagon would be.
I'm in rural UK and just bought an EV. Its perfect for rural use. Home charging is easier in rural locations and it costs peanuts to run. However, we have two ICE vehicles to run alongside it. One being a Grenadier.
I'm waiting for that Rivian R3X
Maybe the engineering and/or supply chain issues are the problem & of course, low projected sales....
It is feeling like more and more eyes are looking at the Ramcharger to see how it does. Right now it is looking to be the only vehicle with a scaled extender system (not a toy like the i3). Hoping Ram can pull it off because I personally think that sort of drivetrain configuration is the best current solution for larger vehicles. An EV you can actually overland using both gas and solar sounds awesome.
Let’s take a look at this. Looks like a G Wagon, both built by the same manufacturer. I’m sure an attorney from Mercedes gave Ineos a call.
That didn’t scare away Ineos from the Grenadier, so I doubt it would scare them away from the Fusilier
@@Cloud30000 The Fusilier looks more like the electric G-wagen, than the Grenadier looks like the standard G wagen, IMO.
Thanks guys for addressing this for me now I have a clear understanding. And hearing your opinions Awesome job.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Tolmmy and Kase, Good discussion. Love the looks, not sold on EV, and YIKES that price
I’d love to see more range extender vehicle options. I absolutely love my i3 but would welcome a new option when that bites the dust with better battery technology and especially if it looks as cool as what they designed with the Fusilier.
Wish they would just make a 2 door grenadier. And make it wayyyyy lighter
They're correct with the issues. My wife bought an EV (no, not to save the world, but to TRY and save money). After her experience with range and charging, yesterday she traded it in on a Wrangler, and she's thrilled with it. Even though we lost (huge) on trade, she's happier with this decision. That being said, the range extender MAY have been a saving grace.
I thought the G wagon had been canceled when I saw the title. Seeing other companies try to create a good, EV I think it was probably Ineos was going to get this right, so they probably made the right decision. However, I think if a company made a good EV in that exact form, for a reasonable price it would be a huge hit.
Very interesting reports guys, thanks. I think the Grenadier is super cool and would love to have one, not having the funds to do so is rather limiting! Lol
At first I thought this was about the new electric G-Wagon, till Ineos name came up. That thing really looks very similar to the G-Wagon.
2 thoughts regarding why it was likely killed. 1) As others have mentioned, I suspect Magna took a bath on a couple recent EVs, so they are likely not willing to fund the development themselves. 2) Magna doesn't make gasoline/diesel engines; those have to be purchased, much like Ineos purchased the Grenadier engine from BMW. Who makes a small engine suitable for use as a range extender? BMW used to, but those are probably unavailable en masse now. Hyundai could with shelf parts, but does Ineos want to get in bed with Hyundai DI engines and the associated woes? Doubtful. No one else has a suitable engine/generator system, so I expect the drivetrain development costs were increasing very fast. Totally understand killing this, although I do expect the body to show back up one day on a different drivetrain.
I don’t understand why these startups keep insisting in making these cool vehicles only EV option. If they made it a gas variant at a good price, then I bet it would sell well. Same with Scout, although they still haven’t released anything yet.
Interest in this type of vehicle in EV form is not the same as interest in a small sedan EV as a commuter and grocery getter.
Rivian, with its deliberately hipster marketing, sells some vehicles, but it loses a lot of money on every unit. If you look at their financials, there's no trajectory on which they start making money selling vehicles. But they just got a multi billion dollar cash infusion from VW. Seems like a Silicon Valley gameplan where they want to stay alive long enough to be acquired.
INEOS isn't a Silicon Valley snake oil company that just blows billions of investor cash with no end in sight. They have to make money.
Unlike Rivian and Fisker, they don't want to, and can't, build cars they know will lose more money with every unit they sell.
I’m pretty sure Rivian wants to make money… wtf are you talking about.
@Catmemegod LOL looks like their plan is to be acquired by a large company. Ford bugged out. Now Volkswagen looks like their next target.
Have you ever heard of tech startups? They are a thing.
Look at Rivian financials and the news. You're clueless.
Ther is little uptake in uk for electric cars due to the cost no infra structure and don’t mention the depreciation and the fires spook people too Gatwick and Liverpool
Oh the electricity costs more than petrol on the motorway
Magna has a new-ish EV production facility in China that is probably where a lot of the manufacturing was going to take place, at least for the EV components. Mercedes just built a battery plant in Alabama, so I think Ineos is going to caught up in the tariff issues using Magna that Mercedes sidestepped.
If eevee's disappeared today 98% of Americans would not give a rat's ass
What about mouses?
EV sales are already over 2%.... Have fun deluding yourself....
Maybe 80% wouldn’t even notice.
@@nc3826right? I don’t have an EV, don’t want one, but EV hate comes off as try hard caveman flex.
@@shiftymcgee9359 why?... What's your issue with EVs?
EVs Are just technology ie a tool..... That were first used over 100 years ago...... Loving or hating a tool doesn't, make a lot of sense... but to each their own...
Not buying an ev anytime soon, but i would consider a hybrid at some point......
My 2012 jetta tdi is getting mid 40's mpg. I don't get why manufacturers don't make diesel hybrids, you would probably get around 100 mpg's!?
Ahh….TDI Jetta. I had a 2000 and put almost 400k on it. Got 50 mpg all of the time and actually got 65 mpg a couple of times.
They realized Americans are not buying EV vehicles. Plain and simple.
I think the tariffs is a real concern. The huge tariff for Chinese EVs in the US are cost prohibitive. The range extender version was what I was very much hoping to buy! I've been on their list from day 1! Such a bummer!
I agree with INEOS.🤔🚙
It seems that for the time being they could make it a plug in hybrid, pure hybrid or with a four cylinder and bring it in at a lower price point than the Grenadier
Gonna take the XM's running gears
At least they were smart enough to pull the plug before they lost their shirt. Can’t force a product that the market doesn’t want.
25% chicken tax may kill this brand in the US...
Sounds like there is a lot more to this story. Sourcing batteries is now a very complex issue. And, that imo on its own would be a concern.
Also, is their a desire to take different direction on the power train? EVs aren’t getting good press anywhere even in the UK and Europe. The trend appears to be more towards hybrids and if this was the guidance from their suppliers then long term serviceability then may also be a factor.
Likely show up again in a couple of years with a ICE or hybrid powertrain. Great call INEOS - you can't build an off-roader for enthusiasts and make it all electric. I much prefer them cancelling it than making a vehicle no-one wants and then having a bunch of automotive influencers (journalists?) tell everyone that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
In keeping with the BMW engine partnership, it would've been great to offer it with the BMW B57 diesel engine (already certified for use in the USA).
It's almost like everyone except influencers or those that live in a city where electric car infrastructure is great doesn't want electric cars
I like road tripping. I'd love an EV for commuting but 0 desire to travel with one. Got a Subaru with a boxer 4 instead. Hahah
But once yo get the infrastructure, it's great. Here in Quebec we have a lot of huge high speed charging stations with few users, so you never wait for a charger and you can charge in less than 30 minutes with most models. But it's far from the situation in the USA.
TFL, I think you missed the point. It’s more about trade policy than EV adoption.
REEV concept in general is very underutilized. The few cars with this setup had very underpowered gasoline generators and pathetic EV only range a poor gas consumption. But if you look at 11 gen. Honda Civic its gas engine is mostly used as a electric generator so it can be done efficiently. So just pair that with like smaller 50kwh battery and you have car that can be used in EV mode for daily commute and also not have to worry about range on longer trips.
Magna has been in the EV business for many years. Who do you think is behind the Jaguar I-Pace(2018)?
Cool looking vehicle. 😊
Gee, a business that wants to make money is not going forward with a money losing vehicle. I’m shocked!
More than any other reason, I think they realized that they’re already pushing a hard sell for a $90k SUV with little appeal outside a niche group of enthusiasts, and the electric one probably pushes that to $110k+.
GWagen probably told Magna that another EV SUV was treading on their territory and Magna could be the GWagon only or take their chances with a start up and GWagon would bail.
Ford should step in with a Bronco Sport PHEV.
I heard a rumor from one of these channels that either the Bronco, the Sport, or both (I don’t remember) will be getting that option in the next three years.
20 years time…. Can you service my Toyota? Of course we can.
Can you service my parts bin thing ……. NO
in 20 years, Toyota will be out of business
Two things come to mind you havent touched on. 1. What the Batteries are made of, especially when the biggest car manuafacturers like Toyota have done a U-turn on the batteries, using old style batteries now. (also they are now heavily investing into Hydrogen fuel)
2. The second hand value of EVs is shocking low, especially if the battery has been flogged, a 2 year old EV can drop as much as 50%. I dont think that sits well with the Ineos product which has been built to last.
Toyota was promising full scale production of solid state batteries by 2025 and had a lot of grand promises of battery packs that would last 20 years etc. Then reality hit when they discovered that solid state batteries has a whole slew of technical problems that may not ever be solved. From what I understand is that engineers and scientist have been unable to solve the problem a wide amount variance of electrical resistance present in solid state batteries. This makes large production highly unprofitable even if you "bin" batteries on performance level you still end up with a huge amount of waste batteries that underperform.
It's funny that the hosts don't get it, the response the manufacturer gave was pretty clear... "we are little and cant support a potential flop". Gas cars sell themselves especially in the offroad market, I mean how much of that 17% market share is offroad capable, 2 or 3%...idk just seems straight forward
Great. At least somebody with some common sense about "EVs".... I'd love to see this with small diesel hybrid though. Not too complicated (I am looking at you Toyota), but simple enough to last for couple of decades.
I'm not a bid EV fan but I like this, also the rivian
A small ice range center seems to make sense for this type of application....
While interest in EVs is still increasing...the rate of that increase is stalling. That is a problem, especially if you don't already have a foothold in the market.
That aside, sure a range extender opens up their buy base a little, but...seems like even those don't hang around long. I don't know what writing Ineos is seeing on the wall, but they apparently aren't the only ones seeing it.
Ineos must have lost a fortune in developing the Grenadier, effectively from scratch, buying a factory and setting up its sales and after sales network. The current year's registration figures in the UK are well down on last year, only 146 cars and 39 commercials for half year to end June 2024, compared to 428 and 91 for the same period in 2023. Even if (as far as I can see) they have sold all their 7,000 2024 US allocation, these numbers are tiny by motor industry standards. James Dyson reportedly wrote off £550m of investment when he pulled the plug on his electric car venture in 2020. Sir Jim (or his bank manager) must have worked out that the development costs for something that cannot share a lot of the components of the Grenadier and would compete with it for a tiny sales volume would be money down the drain.
The video that PowefullUk made about pickup mentioned a comment in the Ineos shareholder pack (or something similar) about the investment hurting the core business. Everyone who said that this is the car Landrover should have built is probably going to find out why they diddnt.
Mine just came in, # 39,039 so they are in the mid 40s in less than a year. But yes, these are hardcore vehicles for an adventurous nitch buyer
battery car, who cares. 4 cylinder diesel, then that would have been cool. Oh well, EPA still sux.
Going for an EV for Ineos so fast was a very stupid mistake to make, especially since there is next to no profit margin and battery costs are way too high as well. They would of been better making a smaller version to be like a premium Jimny or Wrangler. Although an other issue, is that the EV market is down in general, not just here in the US, but the EU and AU.
To make it all worse, is if the EV came out and was sold. The owner would face massive depreciation and be worth far less than the ICE or Diesel versions.
Aren't there tariffs based upon where the base components are made not where it is assembled
The thing is not that EV SUV or Trucks don't sell, but they loose mostly a lot of money. Each Rivian sold is a 38 to 42K Minus for the company. I don't think that is a thing the owner of INEOS wants to experience. In europpe for example only 15-25% of the people want to buy an EV. So sales are hitting the sealing in the moment.
INEOS should work with Toyota to build a decent Offroader, with hybrid drivetrain 2GR-FXS V6 longitudinal, with power split device eCVT.
Full-time 4WD, 2speed t-case, etc etc ..
"Industry uncertainty around tariffs, timings and taxation" tells the truth. It has nothing to do with range, charging etc - those have been known issues for years. It's to do with the fact that they were going to build this or source most of its parts from China. But didn't want the general public be aware of this. Now that the EU is introducing tariffs on Chinese EVs, with the US to follow, it no longer makes a business sense.
Right decision of Ineos .
Just make it a hybrid
Or give customers option to choose with a variety of powertrains.
It looks like a rebadged electric G wagon, same front end, hood, body and everything. Maybe just buy that?
Rivian has proven that there is a market for off-roading EVs. With plenty of competition, in the future. But with its range extender this would have been a unique vehicle. So it's a shame that it's DOA.
They should put those resources into a 2 door or a more affordable smaller engine variant
Isnt the new RAM has the range extender thingy using the 3.6Liter V6 to charge the ev
RAM going to have two different models, a range extended EV and a separate BEV... The range extender won't be just an additional option, kinda like it was on the BMW i3, Which is the closer analogy....
Call this, dumb idea crashes into reality, disappears
Sounds like it's just delayed from the press quote. Not cancelled for sure.
Yeah I’m glad they pulled the plug on the Fusilier cuz it may not sell good as the Grenadier is selling more even the truck version of it and putting the Fusilier on indefinite hold cuz of taxes, tariffs and all this mumbo jumbo is ok I’m not a EV guy
The Fusilier looks a lot like a modernized G-Wagon.
EV's only make sense with nuclear power generation.
No, they make sense with renewables. Nuclear is far more expensive, not renewable, extremely resource intensive to build and takes a long time, while at the same time taking funding away from the far more environmentally friendly alternatives. Not to mention, the issue of nuclear waste has still not been solved and the industry is highly dependent on nuclear fuel from unstable regions in the world, like Africa and Russia. Ever wondered why France, a country that made nuclear power a matter of highest priority for the state, is fighting wars in central Africa?
@@no1DdC Your “environmentally friendly alternatives” are littering the earth with broken turbine blades and shattered PV panels.
France is in central Africa because they never left.
There's no European EV truck/SUV platform and all of a sudden there would be an INEOWAGEN for gentlemen farmers.
Nice, they should make cheaper version than granadier.
Oh, I get it, not the Grenadier but the new Fusilier EV model- nobody cares it's scrapped!
This is why people aren't buying electric cars. They're too damn expensive and too many people with podcast are advocating the high prices. It's getting ridiculous
I saw those on a luxury car lot.
Thermal runaway is another issue not resolved yet. Ask a firefighter.
Ineos EV got ICED.
Tommy keeps repeating that other EVs sell just fine as a justification for Ineos to make this vehicle. Sure they sell AT A LOSS. Except Teslas all other EV costs more to build than the price they sell for. All manufacturers (other than Tesla) is LOOSING MONEY on every EV they make and sell. I am sure after getting the prototype built, they crunched the numbers and figured out they can’t build it with a profit and they pulled the plug. Unless other established car makers they figured that they are not a social engineering company.
Fusilier gave me strong Soviet UAZ vibes
Ineos produces hydrogen as well. I wouldn't be shocked if we saw something new in the near future if they invest into the infrastructure.
Hydrogen will never be popular in the USA. Only for class 7 trucks.
They're not willing to take that gamble and I don't blame em
Most hardcore off-roaders, although this vehicle isn’t hardcore, don’t want an EV for their off road adventures.
I bet he thought about pulling the plug on this as soon as he bought manchester united football club .. as anyone who knows about united, he will need billions to sort the team/stadium/training ground. It wouldn't surprise me if ineos motor company is shut down
Electric isn't good. The grid will get overwhelmed if too many people switch to electric vehicles
A locomotive, essentially. Check out Edison Conversions.
Edison Conversions is great YT entertainment.... But their locomotive analogy is laughable...
And devil's in the details, I wonder how much it's going to cost? And with all the Chinese parts that they're using it will never make it to the US due the tariff...
But they did show that China is a fun place to party...
@@nc3826 it’s a cool concept. Offering the capability to retrofit a relatively inexpensive older 1 ton. If they have any success with it, hopefully someone stateside will pick up on it and improve it.
@@rafterwhomestead Yes, it's a cool concept. Until it's thoroughly analyzed ( sorry for my geeky engineering side).... The Logging truck makes a lot more sense....
But I'll keep watching it for its entertainment value until they prove me wrong and then I can eat crow or until they go bankrupt....
Sounds like they were hoping to get that EV tax credit. Also seems they have a really high price tag for their EV. Being in the class of 80-120k price tag and this vehicle would have a slim chance of surviving. Especially when everyone is seeing Fisker blow up. They even good at software development? A serious question going forward.