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The problem is simple.... the price is too high, and the quality and reliability is too low. Jeep spent the better part of the JL's life cycle nickle and dime-ing people for every single stupid option they could come up with, and now they've got caught with their pants down with better products hitting the market. I'm a LJ jeep owner, and nothing about the new products appeal to me at the price point they offer.
I dont agree with the reliability. I have had5 jeeps and the only issue I had was with a week steering box on a 2008 JK with 140k on it. Maybe im lucky I currently have a 2023 JT and love it. They are priced too high but I always wait until the end of the year and buy off the lot. Got 8k off mrsp which is where the price should be.
Had an 05 LJ and stupid me traded it in at 130k for a truck. Had an 08 JK and that 3.8 suuuuucked! Nothing but issues. It was a lemon. It was used but had really low miles. I’d like to get another jeep but there’s nothing terribly appealing about the new ones aside from new tech and other superficial things and the price point is way off. Also have a kid now and a weekend trip somewhere looks like a month’s worth of stuff packed and the 4 doors are ridiculously priced.
Generational gap crisis much like Harley Davidson. Older folk want legacy capability and younger folk want multifunction power passenger seats with app controls. Price caters to people new to the brand thinking they’re buying lux American Land Rovers. Jeep just follows the money. Wranglers are just v8 muscle cars facing the chopping block of new buyer demands, bowing to Tesla, Rivian, EV Chargers and MachE’s.
While I agree they are expensive people have had this same complaint about all the manufacturers for as long as YT comments have existed and before that it was forums. Go read ANY TFL comment section from 10 years ago and it's the same "too expensive" complaints then. Besides right now you can grab Ram's for 20K off sticker everywhere I have looked. I have seen 1500's with the Hemi for about 32. 32 for a 1/2 ton is not too expensive its just what things cost.
Horrendous build quality, awful reliability, 50% MSRP increases, downright predatory dealer markups, and phasing out the products their loyal fan base actually want to buy. Stellantis (and it’s dealer network) are finding out the hard way that you cannot declare war on your customers and continue to run a successful business.
I don’t agree about build quality. I drive rental cars weekly and can tell you Jeeps are on par with anything else. I owned a 2018 JL that never had issues until it was hit while parked by an uninsured motorist. We purchased another JL to replace it, this a 2024. Yes it’s expensive but the build quality is good. The 2024 has nice creature comfort upgrades lik the one touch roof and removable window panels that the others don’t have. We have let several friends drive it and all have been impressed, even giddy about how much fun it is. What Jeep needs is to defend itself against all the attacks like this that hurt its image.
Got a 24 rubicon and the ac stopped working at 700 miles. Literally one week of having it and the shop kept it for about 2 weeks and the part never came. Had to get serious so they would offer me a solution and ended up returning it.
Destroying them how ? I have a few ideas but I want to hear other people’s conspiracy. Only things I can think of is sharply cutting the Tesla tax credits , not forcing Chrysler to do hybrids, and trying to sale the headquarters building. What are your thoughts ?
@@Natethegreat200c The Dodge Hornet is a sales failure. The Demon with 1,025 horsepower engine has problems. Stellantis failed to control dealer mark ups. Problems with the straight 6 that replaced the hemi. Wire harness that were made short and pulling out ( UAW reported the problems) Stellantis blamed the workers. Police Durango oil cooler failures causing engine destruction.
@@markg7030 not true. Hornet sales being low doesn’t reflect stellantis much. The only thing I will say is all the hornets on the lot are 35-45k, when a nicely equipped one is only 32k. So yes I kind of blame them for building expensive versions first. I won’t comment on the rest of what you said since I know it to be true and I haven’t researched to see if any have been fixed. I haven’t heard any issues with the hurricane and you all lie on Chrysler so much, but I will definitely do owner polls and research in Facebook groups to see if anyone specifically had issues. Because you’re not the first to tell me that, but again, the lies on this brand are often parroted by many. So I’ll definitely search for the hard truth on that engine. But being that no stellantis cars have come out yet, I don’t think we can blame current product for what’s going on. All the cars they sale today besides the Fiat 500E is built using FCA parts and engines. If the 3.0 TT engine troubles are true, that would be a stellantis issue.
I used to be a jeep buyer (4 jeeps) and in the last 3+ years the pricing driven me away from Jeep. I dont think I will ever buy a jeep again. Their lack of understanding in what jeep buyers want is astonishing.
That leaves Bronco as only alternative - and I am not a fan of its horrible mess of an engine compartment and overly bulky design. But my 2016 JK is aging and I may be forced to go Ford…
It's not just the Wrangler affected by these higher prices. I bought a new Wrangler in 2016, and when my wife needed a new vehicle, the plan was to get her a new Jeep Renegade or Compass. We looked over the prices on the Jeeps online, then went over to the Hyundai and Kia dealerships and bought her a new Kia Seltos for thousands less, with better equipment and that longer warranty. As for me, I got the unlimited warranty on my Wrangler back when FCA still offered that, and I fully plan on seeing how long it will go. I'm currently at 128,000 miles with no issues yet.
Well, the problem is the French don't give the rest of the world their cool, weird, or interesting cars. As an American, I'd love to see certain Citroens, Renaults, and Peugeots rolling around over here. But unfortunately, we get none of that. Instead, they throw shitty Italian cars, with worse design, and historic names, and expect us to be happy about it. Actually, I'm starting to wonder if they realized they're bad at actual warfare, and have transitioned into psychological warfare. 😂
Another European here, and you got it right. The French are the worst, followed by the Italians (with a few known exceptions) and the English, when we talk about designing and building bad cars. Sweden used to build great cars but Saab went bankrupt (terrific cars) and Volvo is now a Chinese company. Still the cars built in Gothenburg are fantastic. Germany and Czechia/Slovakia are building the better European cars at the moment.
@drnick40 I miss Saab. Where's the weird fighter jet themed cars now that they're gone? Every car is so same same but Saab was truly different, maybe not always in a good way but they were unique at least
A Jeep Wrangler Sport New Price is under 23k at a dealer in Oklahoma City. I checked the ad. Use this as a base to show dealers you want the same % discount off MSRP that Stanley is offering.
I have had a BAD feeling when Stellantis took over. The group is ABSOLUTELY clueless about building off-road vehicles... They have NONE. The ONLY European true off-road vehicle is the Merc. G wagen. Stellantis, will never understand the American market and will be the demise of the Jeep brand. I am very happy with my 2012 3.6 JK with the NAG1 auto. I will hold on to it, rebuild it, when needed.
Nothing you said makes any sense. Chrysler is part of Stellantis precisely because they already went bankrupt and wouldn’t have survived without the Fiat merger during the Recession. Even if Stellantis does run Jeep into the ground that doesn’t mean they’re obligated to sell or spin it off. Ford nor GM wants it, and it’s not a good fit with the smaller EV automakers. Which leaves other foreign automakers you probably don’t like anyway. Tiny violin noises 🎻
I believe Chrysler would have survived with only a partnership not an ownership post the Great recession. That is past so now what? New American ownership from all the lessons learned we hope
I don't blame cultural issues for the mismanagement of Jeep (and Ram, and Dodge...). Hiking up the prices in 2022, 2023, 2024 was a real shoot yourself in the foot thing. In other words... it was all about greed.
@@CocoNut2018 Seriously. The "hurr durr french people right?" is such a stupid line a thinking. Its just a lazy cop out from someone who cant be bothered to investigate deeper.
Found myself in a Jeep dealership yesterday for work purposes. Looked around a bit while waiting for someone, I already knew the prices were outrageous but was bored. There was a 4 door Wrangler for…ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS…I didn’t know whether to laugh or scoff, guess I did both. Why wouldn’t someone be buying a G Wagon at that point? Geez
It was probably the 392 Wrangler, which is cool, but not worth $140k haha. Most places around the country you can get w 392 brand new for the 70-90 range. $140k is absolutely stupid, Raptor R prices lol
Europeans look at Jeep as a company and think they can reinvent it, push it up market and follow Land Rover's business model. That won't work in North America because nobody sees Jeep as a premium brand. The European perspective is so different than ours when it comes to Jeep and every time I see a long time jeep designer or executive retire they've been replaced with someone from Europe or someone not brought up in house and steeped in Jeep heritage.
This hands down the most accurate description of what has happened. I as an American don't even see Land Rover has having any left of its off roading pedigree anyway.
Considering all of the things Land Rover has screwed up with their offerings over the past 25 years, no one should want their offerings to be designed, built, or priced like Land Rover products. Sergio Marchionne wanted a Grand Wagoneer to take on Land Rover - look at those $100,000 dealership lot decorations!
@@TEC_Stuff I tend to agree. I stopped paying attention to Land Rover when they stopped making the original Defender. Purists kept saying they were getting too far from their roots but Land Rover kept pointing to their ever-increasing sales (at least to 2019?) and pretty much said we weren't their target market anymore. They moved up market and were selling more cars for more money enthusiasts be damned.
Drop the prices. But not by $1500 in a conditional offer that requires a lease or loan. Drop the prices by 10k across the board. Then step two is improve quality across the line up. Step three is to release models and trims that people actually want, namely cheaper and simpler and more off road worthy. Then drop stupid prestige projects like the Wagoneer versions for 90k. The are no competitive to a BMW or Mercedes or Audi. The fact that the base price don't go up much for 2025 doesn't help if the prices for 2024 are way to high for what you get.
Bought a 2022 Gladiator with the 3.6L gas engine, brand new, thought it would be my dream Jeep. Put a bunch of money into a quality lift, wheels, tires, bed liner, and other accessories. Had an engine tick that started under 5K miles. Had to have both cam shafts and both sets of rocker arms replaced. After the repair, engine started ticking again. Had the same repair done again. Guess what? At 18K miles, the engine is ticking bad again. I can’t wait to ditch this for something more reliable. The “fun” factor just isn’t worth it.
Sounds like a clogged oil passage, or the rushy-rushy issue that burned both Hyundai-Kia and the giant Toyota. Stainless steel shot or sand casting material coming loose from hurried engine block washing prior to assembly. You need time and a lot of brushes to wash an engine block. A hole companies pump out cars at a record pace to have cash flow.
@@pgmurray76 my JK wrangler had engine block casting sand built up at the bottom of the coolant reservoir. I had Jeep flush and replace coolant even though it didn’t really affect anything… I will check my JL to see if it has the same issue
As a Gladiator owner, I agree that the prices are way too high…like 15-20% inflated for what they are. I love my ‘21 JT, but to suggest they’re worth anything more than $55k is silliness…I don’t care what trim it is. Like you guys eluded to in the beginning, Jeep/Stellantis has lost touch to its American consumers. It’s a shame. Also, for the record, there isn’t any quarter-ton or half ton truck I’d pay $60k for ever. That’s F250 7.3L Godzilla money. Psycho dealers and manufacturer pricing lol
They're shoving electronics in that barely anyone wants, all of it which are added to push prices up. A small block v8 or torquey v6 would sell more than turboed 2.0.
My 2020 Silverado was $45,000 new when we got it on lease. It's sad to see base model trucks going for much more than what mine went for. As far as weight naming schemes go they should just ditch them completely. It doesn't even follow what the truck is capable of hauling anymore. A half-ton was called a half-ton because it was capable of hauling 1,000lbs. Even with the Turbo-4 in mine it says not to exceed 1,950lbs with passengers so I'm technically hauling in the old 3/4-ton segment. New "1-ton" trucks are pretty much capable of hauling 4,500lbs which is old military "Deuce-and-a-half" territory. Naming schemes don't mean jack anymore.
@@cafenightster4548 Blame the three-letter institute for a lot of the electronic bs in vehicles. They make all of the dumb smog regulations and they're the ones pushing the insane CAFE standards that require trucks to get physically bigger each year. That's why all of these automakers keep cramming smaller turbo'd engines into things and getting rid of the bigger engines.
@@Slane583 Totally agree. I really just used the x-ton verbiage to differentiate the 3 levels. They all have different purposes too, I get that. But at the end of the day, paying 60-70k for a mid-size or non-HD full size is insane. Everyone has different uses though I guess. For me, I’m building an overland vehicle, so if I’m gonna spend that kinda money on a truck, then I’m gonna have the ample space & payload that an HD truck provides. Might as well build a luxurious expedition vehicle at that price point. If I was building a Baja style truck or trail rig for day trips, then that could be a different story for sure. Also kids vs no kids in the back is a huge factor. Other than the Gladiator, midsize rear seats look useless (on videos Ive seen).
Since my TJ days I have been in love with Jeeps. Having fun daily driving, road tripping huge distances, and of course off-roading them. I had swamp water waste deep in my Jeep, pulled the drain plugs, and kept going. I've put one of my Jeeps on it's side while off-roading, flipped it over, and drove to work on Monday. I've been high up in the Rockies and of course deep in the desert of Moab, climbing crazy obstacles. I took my last Jeep, a 2020 Gladiator off-road, but I'm really struggling with the thought of taking my 2024 Gladiator on anything worse than a gravel road... Jeeps were fun convertibles, with an iconic heritage, that could go anywhere, and that the average person could afford. Unfortunately these excessively high prices are making it unaffordable for the average person, and far too expensive to have fun with off-road without worrying about putting a scratch on it, and that is a shame.
@@Natethegreat200c Because Jeep long existed before Stellantis. The same engineers worked on Jeep through various incarnations of the company. We didn't see this level of problems when the Italians bought them. But once the French moved in, it's been fail after fail.
In no way could it be that Jeep has priced out its consumers. Jeep could release a barebones Wrangler, with a 3.6L or in a perfect world the 4.0L inline-6, for sub-$25k and would sell 100k+ a year
But that’s the issue, Jeep isn’t releasing a barebones wrangler lol. The New England area is littered with Rubicons that will never get used or tested the way Rubicons are meant to be. Lower level trims are harder to come by.
Sub $25K is a reach by any standard, but at $30K they'd still have a winner. As for the 4.0 coming back....I don't think anybody is holding their breath there
The problem with Jeep is they are way overpriced. Then to top it off they are unreliable with poor fit and finish. At least the Wrangler has great resale value, and free rubber ducks too if you collect them.
Where is your source that jeeps are unreliable? Do you drive on the roads and look at other cars on the roads ? There are A PLETHORA of 20 year old jeeps of all models on the roads. Are we ignoring them?
@@Natethegreat200c we are talking about the ones in the last 10 or so years. of course a TJ with a 4 liter is still on the road, well if the frame hasn't rusted away.
@@Stackali I have a 2024 Gladiator Rubicon X, and in 5 months I have put 9k miles on it. Not a single issue and it goes Offroad every couple of weeks too. It has a Metalcloak 3.5" lift, on 37's The last road trip was 640 miles, we did it in one day without any problems. I know dozens of people in the Jeep club with well over 100k miles on their Gladiators and they haven't had issues either with the powertrain.
When i was in Germany, i joined the "Hanau/American 4wheelers" a group that included chevys, jeeps, a suzuki samerai, and basically whatever anyone had. We did a lot of mudding and rallys, mostly in military training areas. We did convoy to Italy once to swim in the warm water on the coast. I had a 1976 CJ7 with a 258 six cylinder and 4 speed.
Lol maybe more than 10k because after spec’ng one it’s gonna be 75-85,000 for a 3.6 v6 4 door suv. Why on earth would I spend 80k on a basic slow v6 suv? I would not.
@@technom3598 Since inflation is a global thing being felt in over 195 countries and to be expected after another global issue that happened in 2020 (not to mention the US has one of the best inflation rates in the world right now), i think what you meant to say was "greed" being hidden behind the guise of inflation aka as "greedflation". Also, I will be voting for the one that didn't run up the highest tax deficit in US history while giving the top 1% tax breaks, thanks.
try 25%. base Wranglers should be low 30s (civic territory). space each trim about $7k-8k apart as you move up the feature ladder. Sahara are mi-upper 40s; and Rubi are low 50s. What technology in Jeeps other than 4xe is high tech?
It's almost like making the price of your cars soar, while the quality tanks, while the reliability is in the toilet, and dealers scam people left and right, leads people to choose other cars instead of your plastic fantastic broken jeeps. Stellantis is the worst thing to happen to American cars since Detroit got lazy in the 60s and 70s.
As a jeep enthusiast I own a 95 XJ and a 01 TJ because they were cheap, low tech, low cost options you could off road and hunt in and get anywhere you wanted to go. I would NEVER pay 50k plus for a phone on wheels to go hunt deer and be deathly afraid to scratch the paint on something that expensive. I love my jeeps because they were relatively cheap and not embarrassed to be seen in them but not to scared to take them where I needed to go.
I work at a Jeep service department and I can say I have yet to see any major problems with the Wrangler 2.0 turbo. The 3.6 has been a really good engine in the last 5 years and the auto trans has also been good. I have however seen quite a few problems with the clutch assemblies on the JK and JT manual transmission.
A 2024 Jeep Compass Limited by where I am (Vancouver, BC, Canada) retails for $60,000CAD. A fully loaded CR-V Touring Hybrid is just under $52,000CAD. No one in their right mind would even bother going to look at the Compass. They are turning their customers away by pricing their vehicles like that.
@@gregoryvierra6114there’s no proof of that other than your biased love for Japanese cars. It’s funny how the Honda can and did have engine issues , Jeep didn’t yet you will say the Honda will outlast the Jeep. Where is your proof? Even your beloved consumer reports has engine issues documented with Honda but not the compass . So where is your insight coming from?
Have made the necessary adjustments to my Jeep to change it from being gutless to a off road monster .. Have a 2015 Rubicon AEV JKU .. Wranglers are gutless when properly equipped .. Mine reached 88,000 miles and was blowing oil .. I decided that instead of buying another gutless JKU, I decided to spend the money to rebuild mine which is the platform I love .. I went w/ a 6.4 hemi swap thru AMW 4x4 at Northridge 4x4 .. My Jeep is now a 6.4 hemi w/ over 550 hp and an 8 spd tranny .. I added Currie axles D60 rear and D44 front w/ 4.56 gears .. I included Adams drive shafts and heavy duty Steer-smarts tie rods, drag link and track bar & sway bar .. I also went w/ a Hellwig rear sway bar and big brakes to handle the weight of the hemi .. My Jeep Rubicon, AEV, AMW 4x4 hybrid is now a unstoppable beast and handles great both on and off-road ..
I never go off road with my vehicles but just getting up and down the steep, very bumpy and often washed out two miles of private gravel road to get to my house especially in the winter requires a good four wheel drive vehicle and off road tires. Not every American lives in the city or suburbs.
So tell us: what parent company in the history of Jeep honored these icons? Every owner of the brand was on the ropes from the moment it took custody of the brand.
@@golferpro1241 Chrysler merged with Mercedes back in 1998 just so you understand that they had a romance with European car markers for a very long time now some 25 years. It's not like this is something new. Chrysler has always been in crisis mode but managed with good American leadership in FCA to do pretty well for itself but there is a problem, during FCA the Europeans injected HUGE cash in to the American operations as the European side was doing really well, now the European side is doing pretty bad and are desperate to milk the American side for money to save the European side. It's all a big mess but it is what it is.
Stop with the hybrid and electric crap. And bring the cost down and remove the useless unreliable tech. Problem solved. They should make me the CEO. I just saved the brand.
I'm a huge Jeep guy. I own 6 currently (some older) and offroad all the time. Our 202 JL has spent more than a year in the shop with transmission, BCM and galvanic corrosion problems and it only has 14k miles. I purchased a 2020 RAM Power Wagon and it was the worst truck I had ever owned. Sold it after one year. My wife purchased a 2023 Grand Cherokee and it also spent more than half of the 18 months we owned it in the shop (it would blow scalding hot air constantly). Stellantis was the worst thing to happen to these American brands. On our JK, 145k miles and have only replaced the oil cooler, our LJ, 120k miles and it has been perfect. It's not just the quality, it's also their dealer experience. The service departments have so much turnover and are months out, besides being quite rude. For my wife, we went back to Lexus. Their quality and service are amazing. I would suggest Stellantis take a "Team Building" trip to Lexus and learn a few things about running a customer facing business.
Man. You were just hoping? That's a lot of self induced torture. Thank god you came back to your sense and went with Lexus. You are correct on that one. 👏🏼
I think it's kind of a good thing. My wife and I both prefer a manual transmission. The 3.6, especially with a 6 speed, seems like a reliable vehicle that would be fairly easy to work on. Though I was hoping for the hurricane straight 6 turbo.
Please keep speaking up TFL. As a current Wrangler owner, it’s sad to see the downward spiral of this brand. I will be trading my Jeep in for a GM truck next year as they’re an American brand who still understand what the American people want (outside of their EV failures which every brand is terrible at other than Tesla who still offers an “affordable” product). Which is ironic that a brand (Jeep) that technically served this country in war is no longer viewed as being an American brand, cause it’s not. We’ve got enough money in this country, pleaseeee will a few billionaires get together and purchase Jeep, Ram, and dodge and put them back in the hand of American car/truck enthusiasts
Are American high car prices creating an environment ripe for the low cost Chinese cars to come in and essentially take over - similar to Japanese cars in the 70's and 80's?
yes - this is why there are tarrifs in place and they are talking about banning all Chinese made car parts... if BYD entered the market here without restrictions - they would totally mop up the floor with the offerings here (including the Japanese offerings)
Stellantis is intent on the Nissan model of keeping prices too high until you are priced into obscurity and very little resources to update their lineup.
People who buy Jeeps want a basic, fun and most importantly a cheap ride. Not a luxury vehicle.. Throw away the turbos and 50k price tags. Make Jeep Wranglers Affordable again.
I traded my 2020 Wrangler Sport S for the 2024 Wrangler Sahara hardtop about a month ago. The 3.6L engine was the clear winner for me. The 2.0L is loud and buzzy.
The 3.6L offers smooth, linear power delivery that makes driving through difficult terrain including winter conditions easier and safer. It's proven technology.
Jeep’s are a simple recipe: 2 solid axles, selectable 4H and 4L, removable top and doors, and a shape that resembles a child’s drawing, . Either keep the 3.6 or bring back the 4.0, nothing less. Innovation with 4xE is neat but eh. Push the base level and Sahara trims to keep it marketable as affordable and capable. I see so many rubicons on the road in New England that will never be used even to its minimum potential. Love the rubicons and used all the switches and buttons when wheeling it but most people don’t wheel their jeeps or they consider driving down a dirt road in VT/NH/ME on a weekend trip wheeling because they got some mud on the side of their jeep. Jeeps have become so overpriced, and in the New England area, everyone seems to want a rubicon because it’s got all the buttons and switches that they will never use. Sell what sells but they’re really missing the market share of selling more vehicles at a good price. They should be marketing the hell out of lower trim levels where the simplistic nature of the Jeep makes the most money and sense to everyday people who don’t wheel and want something that can handle snow, inclement weather, be fun to drive to the beach or handle mud season in the northern New England states.
They make more money selling a handful of very expensive jeeps at high mark-up than selling 10 times more basic jeeps just barely above the margins; they are following the profit, and cheap vehicle buyers are no longer the target audience.
The 4.0 was killed because it was too good. No one buys new Jeeps if the old ones never die. I'm closing in in 400k miles on mine. Starts right up every day. Still doesn't burn oil...Just change that oil and don't skimp on the sensors.
I'm actually looking for a base gladiator in New England but all the lots are stuffed with overpriced Mojave and rubicons that I will never have a use for. The price is dropping on them but still, I'm not going to buy something I don't need and will most likely cost me more in the long term with added costs for repairs and maintenance.
My wife got a JLR and we have no idea what the buttons do. Heck we did not even know the thing was a rwd and not a smart awd. One day when it depreciated a lot we will take it off road.
@@Cloud30000 agreed and the market is the market. I like the Arizona Iced Tea business model. Sell more at less and outperform the higher cost items. Comes down to marketing
BRIT here…. Love you guys been watching TFL channels for the longest time! My son lives in SC now a US citizen… he has had his Gladiator 2 years and it’s great… rugged, flexible, comfy…. Easy to “mod” …. A PHEV. In Europe would sell hugely.. Stelantis needs to bring that here to break into the truck market… Seems the European leaders are applying what they know works in EUROPE to USA … but it’s a different culture and market… like trying to get the French to give up wine and escargot for lentils and tap water… will never work. New incarnation of the 2/4 door Wrangler is what it needs and more realistic pricing
They tried to go up market and shouldn’t have. Jeep owners, and even the folks who they tried to attract to the Jeep brand, didn’t think of Jeep as making something that can compare to the Escalade or Navigator. The Wagoneer is nice but they should’ve spent the money investing into smaller or midsize cross overs. It’s still mind blowing to me there’s no Cherokee.
Under the guise of inflation they have price gouged their customers and have made record profits. There should never again be any brand loyalty. If you guys get another jeep, I'd vote for a two door Rubicon. That should be the most capable vehicle out there. Put it on 37s and push it to it's limits.
Roman, great vid. I absolutely agree about the path Stellantis is taking. Coming from a guy that has a 22 Bronco, but wife has 22 Grand Cherokee L and son has a JL wrangler.
Gladiator is way too expensive for its lack of capability. It’s also ugly until it’s lifted, which is even more cost. I’d rather buy a full sized Chevy or ford 1/2 ton. More capability and a cheaper cost for a bigger/nicer vehicle. 4xe isn’t appealing to me. The extra complexity and weight of 4xe isn’t worth it for off roading.
You are honestly right on that but Gladiator has to be the most badass vehicle modded, like the kinds of crazy zombie apocalypse mods and overlander mods look dope!
Just admit, you desire one badly. Don't speak for all of us, love my Gladiator Rubicon. Stock it can go everywhere at any time. Can't say the same for other bands without spending massive amounts of money.
@@bradj9870 About .0002% of trucks will ever be driven on the Rubicon trail, so for the other 99.9998% of buyers, yes your standard half ton has a lot more capability.
The most popular 4x4 in France is the Dacia Duster diesel 1.5 liter. The French have barely any 4x4 culture. I was just there a few days ago. Renault designed the Dacia Duster for example and then had Dacia in Romania make it but they have barely any experience making a 4x4. My Duster’s AWD system is from Nissan… The French are not really car people…
I'd take a Lada Granta sedan an honest modern economy car, with its soul in the 1990s. It's just $8,500 USD with manual and AC included. It's durable, cheap to maintain, and proven!
I think dude is right. In about 10-15 years we're going to look back fondly on the 3.6 pentastar. It's reliable, easy to work on, easy to get parts for, and gives just enough torque/HP to get the job done. I love the fun from the 2.0 turbo in my daughter's Wrangler but it's kinda a nightmare to work on and the 3.6 in my Gladiator has given me no headaches.
Interesting show. I factory ordered a 2014 Cherokee Trailhawk with the 3.2 Pentastar and it has been rock solid, powerful, responsive, easy to maintain, and just one awesome power plant! I love it!! Great vehicle as well, but the suspension is obviously not designed to be used in any way other than gingerly when off road. Still, it's a solid vehicle and one of the best I've owned. The Trailhawk, towing, and leather options make it a seriously excellent machine.
My wife has a 2016 (138,000km) she loves it still. It’s only been in for a reflash as we had some infotainment issues. It’s been a great vehicle, we got lucky. But we won’t be paying $57,000 ($CAD) for a new one
I'm from Costa Rica, and I LOVE the jeep gladiator, is such a cool looking rig when setup right, but it fetches a HIGH price here, going for around 85.000$ used, I think only people with lots of money have them and don't see them around enough cause of it, so yeah, they are basically out of range for enthusiasts like me. For that money over here you could get a lot of other solid cars!
When I purchased my 2024 Wrangler Rubicon X manual I was told that just 3% of new Wranglers are allocated with the manual transmission. I wanted a Rubicon X with Sky One Touch and a manual transmission...just a month ago I could only find 60 nationwide. You can't get the Recon package on manual transmissions...or I couldn't find any. Save the manuals!
@@JohnUrbanic-m3q Okay...Here're a couple of examples...If you wanted the Diesel, ( when it was available), you could only get the 4 door automatic...In 2024, if you wanted matching roof and fender paint, you could only get that in the 'Recon' edition with the 36 X 12.5" wheels, with the "Auto" transfer case, (with pucks)...I wanted the older, chain driven transfer case, so I had to opt for a straight Rubicon, without the matching paint and do the other mods myself...
I can't believe the stupidity of these brands. They have gone all in on the cheap plastic crap, especially on engine components, and they are never going to hold up. EVER. They just don't hold up. And they know it.
I bought a Gladiator Rubicon Diesel in 2022 well below MSRP. I felt like I got a good deal after extensive comparison. I’ve driven it all over the country on and off road. I’ve had zero issues with it, it’s very solid, and I love it. That being said, I would not even consider buying any Wrangler or Gladiator today considering the prices and what’s being offered.
Me chilling in my 2015 JKU WIllys with manual locks, manual doors, manual mirrors, manual lights, manual seats, no infotainment screen... and the 3.6L w/ automatic transmission 😎😎😎
The JL Wrangler has been improved significantly, so I'm hearing from a couple that just purchased one. They said it rides noticeably better on the street, it's quieter and it handles better. They also think it's better built, for example the rear hatch is tighter. It makes me think that upgrading my '21 Sport S when the lease is up makes good sense.
Why would they decide to discontinue the automatic transmission on the 3.6 V6? Bad decision, IMO. Many Americans want an automatic transmission, but they don't want it paired with a turbocharged engine.
Probably to help with CAFE numbers and to justify discontinuing it for the JM Wrangler. They know everyone will buy an automatic, which puts them in the 2.0, which gets slightly better EPA fuel economy numbers, and superior emissions numbers. The 3.6 will have low sales because it's manual only, most wranglers sold will be the 2.0 which will help Stellantis' corporate numbers, and they can quietly discontinue the 3.6 in a few years
Demand. That’s the reason for the limitations. They still have 23’s and a huge supply of 24’s they can’t sell. So to manufacture a full range of 25’s and filling already packed lots can’t happen. This is the fallout of insane pricing and absolute greed that is pricing people out of their vehicles. If stock ever goes down, option choices will open back up.
GM makes sense. Ford has the Bronco and GM doesn't have an apples to apples comparison. Would be interesting to see if they keep the Gladiator if this does happen
Just recently bought a 2017 JK. Love it. And have taken it out on the trails and it does well. But it's deff not as rugged as you'd expect a JEEP to be. Bought it with tons of aftermarket stuff done doit. The price was pretty high. But only had 50k miles. Not sure how I feel about the engine. Don't love the trans. It shifts alot on the highway. Feels underpowered. But all in all. I love the thing so far
For years and years I had a 1998 Cherokee as my daily drive. Loved the car, loved the 4L engine but OK, after 25 years we replaced it recently with a small Subaru :). Then my summer car is a 2001 Jeep TJ, only a little newer than the Cherokee. Same engine, same manual gear, just a bit rougher to drive, but that's the fun of a summer car. At the time, the Cherokee cost us USD 15k and in 2015, the TJ was just $4k. In today's market, those two cars together would cost a fortune. BTW, I love the Short Cut !!
Disagree. I live in New England and I drive mine around everywhere with the top down and tube doors on as much as humanly possible to experience the outdoors more. It's not a road trip vehicle, it's a lifestyle and quality of life vehicle.
This may be true but some people like me just like to know that we have the capability if we ever need or want it. Also ya never know when the mood will strike to take an offroad adventure and if that does strike then ya know you have the ability.
Not in Arizona. Even on the most remote trails you run into fellow Jeep owners. Even the non-off-road types end up on the nearby trail systems eventually.
Being the owner of a Chevy volt, and a Grand Cherokee WK2, we looked at getting back into a wrangler with the 4xe. We finally found a dealership that had one charged (was the sales managers personal vehicle, but let us try it) That thing severely missed the mark. Our Volt for example only turns on the engine when the battery cannot provide power, The wrangler on the otherhand caught us off guard when we left a traffic light and I slowly kept giving it more throttle pedal. At around 50-60% pedal the little 2.0 Slammed on, basically to redline screaming (audibly not performance wise) all the way up to the speed limit where it then went back down to idle for the next few minutes of driving at highway speeds, then shut off. The transition was terrible and you could feel the engine and motor come into sync with the transmission to still provide the same weak acceleration you get out of the pentastar. This 4xe was fully charged so it was not changing due to low battery, and the acceleration I was attempting was to simply keep up with traffic, not racing or testing max performance. I don't mind the engine starting, but it basically slamming on from zero and immediately going to almost redline is the same issues ESS is having with the engine being requested to perform from off. I really hope that the ramcharger does not use the same design of power management.
My Dad bought a Jeep in the last years of AMC ownership. It was a tool, no AC, vinyl seats, no radio. Just 4WD and a bombproof straight 6. It was affordable, relatively reliable and great for causing swamp @$$ in the summer. It did its job well and had 140,000 miles on it when we traded it in whith no major issues. Bring that back!
@@alexnewell8580 Bugatti's are unreliable over priced pieces of shyt.. They are only desirable to dumb dumb people with to much money and dumb dumb rappers trying to look cool pretending they are rich... I'd only take a free one if there was no consequences to selling it immediately to a dumb dumb with to much money because we all know rappers only rent them...
Take an iconic American brand that sold fairly priced durable off roaders. Change everything about it other than some cosmetics and Jack the price sky high. Then wonder why it fails.
I think it's technically a downgrade getting rid of the manual windows and locks. The Chrysler products all have electrical issues....windows always work if they aren't power.
I bought a new Jeep in 2023. Within 2000 miles the drag link gave out with no off-roading. Dealership told me to find a ride and they would get it back to me within a few weeks. I told them my ride would be a 4Runner and they didn’t have to worry about it. I now had over 40k on my 4Runner and have had zero issues.
I looked at the gladiator many times and the price was always too high to justify. I really don’t think I will ever get a Stellantis product. Especially with all the Chinese EV’s they are now pushing in Europe and the layoffs in Michigan. It doesn’t sit well with me personally
Thought the same thing about a gladiator. Most gladiators in my area are only a grand or two off from a mid - high level trim 1500/150 and even 2500/250 full size trucks. Bed in the Gladiator wouldn’t be as useful if I need it versus a full size truck and a full size truck can do as much or more than a gladiator. Cost to value just points me at buying a truck over the gladiator that has the “utility” of a truck bed. Would rather just buy a regular jeep than have the false promise of a utility bed.
The problem is dodge and jeep are charging premium luxury brand prices for old outdated products and to make matters worse they've always had questionable reliability
Im about to buy my first wrangler. A 2024 4 door sport. I have between 2 options: 2.0L woth auto or 3.6L with manual. Longevity and quality is what i care about. Thoughts?
My first car was an 87 Cherokee, then I bought a 96 Cherokee. I loved both of those cars. Easy to work on, great off-road, and reasonably priced. It would be a lot of fun to have a Wrangler but with today’s MSRP I won’t buy one for what you get. Also, my co-worker’s 4xe was constantly in at the dealership for all sorts of issues.
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Not in Florida.
@@TFLcar it's not saving when you are spending
A LOT OF OFF-ROADING IN UKRAINE.
JUST WATCH OUT FOR THE LANDMINES
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The problem is simple.... the price is too high, and the quality and reliability is too low. Jeep spent the better part of the JL's life cycle nickle and dime-ing people for every single stupid option they could come up with, and now they've got caught with their pants down with better products hitting the market. I'm a LJ jeep owner, and nothing about the new products appeal to me at the price point they offer.
My 88 jeep yj needs an engine rebuild. Ill never buy a new jeep.
97 TJ here, don't like much about these new jeeps. Not interested at all. What's with the ducks? I'm a waver!
I dont agree with the reliability.
I have had5 jeeps and the only issue I had was with a week steering box on a 2008 JK with 140k on it.
Maybe im lucky
I currently have a 2023 JT and love it.
They are priced too high but I always wait until the end of the year and buy off the lot.
Got 8k off mrsp which is where the price should be.
Had an 05 LJ and stupid me traded it in at 130k for a truck. Had an 08 JK and that 3.8 suuuuucked! Nothing but issues. It was a lemon. It was used but had really low miles. I’d like to get another jeep but there’s nothing terribly appealing about the new ones aside from new tech and other superficial things and the price point is way off. Also have a kid now and a weekend trip somewhere looks like a month’s worth of stuff packed and the 4 doors are ridiculously priced.
Generational gap crisis much like Harley Davidson. Older folk want legacy capability and younger folk want multifunction power passenger seats with app controls. Price caters to people new to the brand thinking they’re buying lux American Land Rovers. Jeep just follows the money. Wranglers are just v8 muscle cars facing the chopping block of new buyer demands, bowing to Tesla, Rivian, EV Chargers and MachE’s.
Jeep, where you pay Range Rover prices, and get Walmart service!
No more like Jeep, where you pay Mcdonald prices, and get Comcast service! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Where in the F are you getting a Range Rover for $38,000?
Honestly jeep does a much better job the JLR at repairing their vehicles lol
@@MoragTong_ Many Jeeps are over $100K! Range Rover territory.
@@MoragTong_ Better comparison is not looking at lowest price but looking at average price. Still comparing Jeep to LR is weird.
Orverpriced!!! Stellantis will kill Dodge/ram and jeep!
That'sThePlan.
Yep!! all of the above.
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While I agree they are expensive people have had this same complaint about all the manufacturers for as long as YT comments have existed and before that it was forums. Go read ANY TFL comment section from 10 years ago and it's the same "too expensive" complaints then. Besides right now you can grab Ram's for 20K off sticker everywhere I have looked. I have seen 1500's with the Hemi for about 32. 32 for a 1/2 ton is not too expensive its just what things cost.
that was the plan all along
Horrendous build quality, awful reliability, 50% MSRP increases, downright predatory dealer markups, and phasing out the products their loyal fan base actually want to buy. Stellantis (and it’s dealer network) are finding out the hard way that you cannot declare war on your customers and continue to run a successful business.
I don’t agree about build quality. I drive rental cars weekly and can tell you Jeeps are on par with anything else. I owned a 2018 JL that never had issues until it was hit while parked by an uninsured motorist. We purchased another JL to replace it, this a 2024. Yes it’s expensive but the build quality is good. The 2024 has nice creature comfort upgrades lik the one touch roof and removable window panels that the others don’t have. We have let several friends drive it and all have been impressed, even giddy about how much fun it is. What Jeep needs is to defend itself against all the attacks like this that hurt its image.
Well said 👏
But still beautiful
Exactly.
My 2013 is bulletproof, still going like new. It had normal maintenance and small issues, like any other vehicle. Maybe you got a lemon?
Got a 24 rubicon and the ac stopped working at 700 miles. Literally one week of having it and the shop kept it for about 2 weeks and the part never came. Had to get serious so they would offer me a solution and ended up returning it.
Stellantis has a terrible CEO who is destroying the company. It seems intentional to me.
Destroying them how ? I have a few ideas but I want to hear other people’s conspiracy. Only things I can think of is sharply cutting the Tesla tax credits , not forcing Chrysler to do hybrids, and trying to sale the headquarters building. What are your thoughts ?
@@Natethegreat200c The Dodge Hornet is a sales failure. The Demon with 1,025 horsepower engine has problems. Stellantis failed to control dealer mark ups. Problems with the straight 6 that replaced the hemi. Wire harness that were made short and pulling out ( UAW reported the problems) Stellantis blamed the workers. Police Durango oil cooler failures causing engine destruction.
@@Natethegreat200c The problem is Stellantis does not take care of the complaints.
Not sure about intentional. Seems like a grossly negligent Euro with no idea about the US market and traditional US products.
@@markg7030 not true. Hornet sales being low doesn’t reflect stellantis much. The only thing I will say is all the hornets on the lot are 35-45k, when a nicely equipped one is only 32k. So yes I kind of blame them for building expensive versions first.
I won’t comment on the rest of what you said since I know it to be true and I haven’t researched to see if any have been fixed. I haven’t heard any issues with the hurricane and you all lie on Chrysler so much, but I will definitely do owner polls and research in Facebook groups to see if anyone specifically had issues. Because you’re not the first to tell me that, but again, the lies on this brand are often parroted by many. So I’ll definitely search for the hard truth on that engine.
But being that no stellantis cars have come out yet, I don’t think we can blame current product for what’s going on. All the cars they sale today besides the Fiat 500E is built using FCA parts and engines. If the 3.0 TT engine troubles are true, that would be a stellantis issue.
I used to be a jeep buyer (4 jeeps) and in the last 3+ years the pricing driven me away from Jeep. I dont think I will ever buy a jeep again. Their lack of understanding in what jeep buyers want is astonishing.
They don't care. They're corporate lizards. They literally know nothing about cars nor do they care.
That leaves Bronco as only alternative - and I am not a fan of its horrible mess of an engine compartment and overly bulky design. But my 2016 JK is aging and I may be forced to go Ford…
It's not just the Wrangler affected by these higher prices. I bought a new Wrangler in 2016, and when my wife needed a new vehicle, the plan was to get her a new Jeep Renegade or Compass. We looked over the prices on the Jeeps online, then went over to the Hyundai and Kia dealerships and bought her a new Kia Seltos for thousands less, with better equipment and that longer warranty.
As for me, I got the unlimited warranty on my Wrangler back when FCA still offered that, and I fully plan on seeing how long it will go. I'm currently at 128,000 miles with no issues yet.
@@YuenanCaoToyota 4Runner. The reliable modest replacement for any cheep
Same here 5 jeeps owned and I'm not buying anymore jeeps. Unreliable over priced plastic
as a europen (sweden) i have to say the french dont understand cars at all
Especially when they put engines in your Volvos.
Well, the problem is the French don't give the rest of the world their cool, weird, or interesting cars. As an American, I'd love to see certain Citroens, Renaults, and Peugeots rolling around over here. But unfortunately, we get none of that. Instead, they throw shitty Italian cars, with worse design, and historic names, and expect us to be happy about it. Actually, I'm starting to wonder if they realized they're bad at actual warfare, and have transitioned into psychological warfare. 😂
Another European here, and you got it right. The French are the worst, followed by the Italians (with a few known exceptions) and the English, when we talk about designing and building bad cars. Sweden used to build great cars but Saab went bankrupt (terrific cars) and Volvo is now a Chinese company. Still the cars built in Gothenburg are fantastic. Germany and Czechia/Slovakia are building the better European cars at the moment.
@drnick40 I miss Saab. Where's the weird fighter jet themed cars now that they're gone? Every car is so same same but Saab was truly different, maybe not always in a good way but they were unique at least
@@coser293 Waldenströms, we need you to buy back the rights to Saab and start making cars again!
Probably because people like yourselves have been telling them that $100k vehicles is a perfectly reasonable price to ask for vehicles.
A Jeep Wrangler Sport New Price is under 23k at a dealer in Oklahoma City. I checked the ad. Use this as a base to show dealers you want the same % discount off MSRP that Stanley is offering.
TFL has been complaining about prices. Where have you been OP?
I have had a BAD feeling when Stellantis took over.
The group is ABSOLUTELY clueless about building off-road vehicles... They have NONE. The ONLY European true off-road vehicle is the Merc. G wagen.
Stellantis, will never understand the American market and will be the demise of the Jeep brand.
I am very happy with my 2012 3.6 JK with the NAG1 auto.
I will hold on to it, rebuild it, when needed.
Another brain dead “media bad” dip 💩 who has no idea what actually happens in a board room.
they dont say 100k is reasonable you weirdo.
Please please PLEASE let Chrysler go bankrupt so they have to sell Jeep to someone who can make them properly again.
Sell it to Caterpillar and offer diesels in it. That would be something.
Nothing you said makes any sense. Chrysler is part of Stellantis precisely because they already went bankrupt and wouldn’t have survived without the Fiat merger during the Recession. Even if Stellantis does run Jeep into the ground that doesn’t mean they’re obligated to sell or spin it off. Ford nor GM wants it, and it’s not a good fit with the smaller EV automakers. Which leaves other foreign automakers you probably don’t like anyway. Tiny violin noises 🎻
I believe Chrysler would have survived with only a partnership not an ownership post the Great recession. That is past so now what? New American ownership from all the lessons learned we hope
@@Cucumberflavoredmustard I'm erect just thinking about this. A wrangler with a C16!
I do not believe Jeep is part of Chrysler anymore, they are just two out of the many brands that belong to Stellantis.
My local dealer asking $90,000 for Jeep Wranglers, LOL
Right??! Same here.. I dont know what they're smoking but Jeeps are not Porsches..
Yep I specd a new 23 model in mid 23 and it was going to be something like $76,000 for a 3.6 rubicon jlu
@@Kreegrrr might as well just buy a g wagon at that point
@@THX5000 Exactly.. It's nuts.
@THX5000 back in the day, you could buy 2 jeeps for a g-wagon.
I don't blame cultural issues for the mismanagement of Jeep (and Ram, and Dodge...). Hiking up the prices in 2022, 2023, 2024 was a real shoot yourself in the foot thing. In other words... it was all about greed.
FIRST LEVEL THINKING - IT GOES BEYOND GREED, WHICH HAS ALWAYS EXISTED
I boufht a brand new jl in 2019 sold it TO THE DEALER outright in 2022 fir 95% of whT i paid for it. Lol
True. Japan doesn't have a lot of off-roading but they sure build good ones
@@CocoNut2018 Seriously. The "hurr durr french people right?" is such a stupid line a thinking. Its just a lazy cop out from someone who cant be bothered to investigate deeper.
@@CocoNut2018 I would kill to have a Jimny wide in the states
They struggle selling because they jacked up their price so damn expensive, a wrangler rubicon shouldn't cost more than $50k
How much is a Branco badlands ?
Or whatever the equivalent trim is
dumb comment. The Rubicon is less than 50K.
@@davidporter7051 in 4 door config the MSRP is over 50k for a Rubicon.
@@davidporter7051Even the base model 4 door is over 50k. It really should be closer to 40k. Jeep is not a luxury car. It has economy car bones.
Would be cool if an American company, bought back Mopar Ram Jeep,instead of being owned by a company that doesn’t know anything about American cars.
Watch Ford take it over.
Jeep was American and should have stayed American
Has not been American in over 70 years dummy....main factory was almost always in Canada.
But who wanted the rest of Chrysler??
Except when it was French in the 80s when Renault owned AMC. They created the modern SUV.
@@highoctaneadventure that was short lived, I wouldnt stretch that.
@@RSTBKTAlmost a decade…1979 to 1987 I think?
Found myself in a Jeep dealership yesterday for work purposes. Looked around a bit while waiting for someone, I already knew the prices were outrageous but was bored. There was a 4 door Wrangler for…ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS…I didn’t know whether to laugh or scoff, guess I did both. Why wouldn’t someone be buying a G Wagon at that point? Geez
G Wagon is at least $50k-$100k more than that these days depending on the engine you go for
The Chinese in China are not buying German cars nowadays
Or Ineos Grenadier....
It was probably the 392 Wrangler, which is cool, but not worth $140k haha. Most places around the country you can get w 392 brand new for the 70-90 range. $140k is absolutely stupid, Raptor R prices lol
@@imcrux6583 $104k, not $140k It probably had some aftermarket options added
Europeans look at Jeep as a company and think they can reinvent it, push it up market and follow Land Rover's business model. That won't work in North America because nobody sees Jeep as a premium brand. The European perspective is so different than ours when it comes to Jeep and every time I see a long time jeep designer or executive retire they've been replaced with someone from Europe or someone not brought up in house and steeped in Jeep heritage.
As a Rover owner, god help them if they do!
@@donhappel9566 lol Indeed!
This hands down the most accurate description of what has happened. I as an American don't even see Land Rover has having any left of its off roading pedigree anyway.
Considering all of the things Land Rover has screwed up with their offerings over the past 25 years, no one should want their offerings to be designed, built, or priced like Land Rover products. Sergio Marchionne wanted a Grand Wagoneer to take on Land Rover - look at those $100,000 dealership lot decorations!
@@TEC_Stuff I tend to agree. I stopped paying attention to Land Rover when they stopped making the original Defender. Purists kept saying they were getting too far from their roots but Land Rover kept pointing to their ever-increasing sales (at least to 2019?) and pretty much said we weren't their target market anymore. They moved up market and were selling more cars for more money enthusiasts be damned.
Drop the prices. But not by $1500 in a conditional offer that requires a lease or loan. Drop the prices by 10k across the board. Then step two is improve quality across the line up. Step three is to release models and trims that people actually want, namely cheaper and simpler and more off road worthy. Then drop stupid prestige projects like the Wagoneer versions for 90k. The are no competitive to a BMW or Mercedes or Audi. The fact that the base price don't go up much for 2025 doesn't help if the prices for 2024 are way to high for what you get.
Congratulations. You are now the new CEO of Stellantis.
Bought a 2022 Gladiator with the 3.6L gas engine, brand new, thought it would be my dream Jeep. Put a bunch of money into a quality lift, wheels, tires, bed liner, and other accessories. Had an engine tick that started under 5K miles. Had to have both cam shafts and both sets of rocker arms replaced. After the repair, engine started ticking again. Had the same repair done again. Guess what? At 18K miles, the engine is ticking bad again. I can’t wait to ditch this for something more reliable. The “fun” factor just isn’t worth it.
My ‘23 wrangler ticks as well… as did my ‘15 wrangler that I had for 8 years. It never really bothered me or was detrimental…
@@hellaacapella I've heard it's fairly common in these pentastar engines. Pretty sad they don't have this worked out after all these years.
Sounds like a clogged oil passage, or the rushy-rushy issue that burned both Hyundai-Kia and the giant Toyota. Stainless steel shot or sand casting material coming loose from hurried engine block washing prior to assembly. You need time and a lot of brushes to wash an engine block. A hole companies pump out cars at a record pace to have cash flow.
@@pgmurray76 my JK wrangler had engine block casting sand built up at the bottom of the coolant reservoir. I had Jeep flush and replace coolant even though it didn’t really affect anything… I will check my JL to see if it has the same issue
Had the same issue on my 2020 JTR but then got a new engine at 8000km.
$100,000 USD ($130k CAD) for a Hemi Jeep that doesn't even have a real transfer-case ? 🤨 Get bent. You can't even do burnouts in a $100k Jeep...
Stellantis is killing all their best brands.
I agree. Beside the Jeep brand I love Alfa Romeo but they are ruining that brand. Since the Stevio and Guilia they have dropped the ball
@@ryanbullara5433 My Giulia was the best vehicle I've ever owned.
I agree. Alfa was back again in the USA with 4C, Giulia and stelvio and since those not the same.
As a Gladiator owner, I agree that the prices are way too high…like 15-20% inflated for what they are. I love my ‘21 JT, but to suggest they’re worth anything more than $55k is silliness…I don’t care what trim it is.
Like you guys eluded to in the beginning, Jeep/Stellantis has lost touch to its American consumers. It’s a shame.
Also, for the record, there isn’t any quarter-ton or half ton truck I’d pay $60k for ever. That’s F250 7.3L Godzilla money. Psycho dealers and manufacturer pricing lol
They're shoving electronics in that barely anyone wants, all of it which are added to push prices up. A small block v8 or torquey v6 would sell more than turboed 2.0.
My 2020 Silverado was $45,000 new when we got it on lease. It's sad to see base model trucks going for much more than what mine went for. As far as weight naming schemes go they should just ditch them completely. It doesn't even follow what the truck is capable of hauling anymore. A half-ton was called a half-ton because it was capable of hauling 1,000lbs. Even with the Turbo-4 in mine it says not to exceed 1,950lbs with passengers so I'm technically hauling in the old 3/4-ton segment. New "1-ton" trucks are pretty much capable of hauling 4,500lbs which is old military "Deuce-and-a-half" territory. Naming schemes don't mean jack anymore.
@@cafenightster4548 Blame the three-letter institute for a lot of the electronic bs in vehicles. They make all of the dumb smog regulations and they're the ones pushing the insane CAFE standards that require trucks to get physically bigger each year. That's why all of these automakers keep cramming smaller turbo'd engines into things and getting rid of the bigger engines.
But all the others are doing the same. Needs to be a 3 month boycott on anyone buying anything and the prices will drop like crazy.
@@Slane583 Totally agree. I really just used the x-ton verbiage to differentiate the 3 levels. They all have different purposes too, I get that. But at the end of the day, paying 60-70k for a mid-size or non-HD full size is insane.
Everyone has different uses though I guess. For me, I’m building an overland vehicle, so if I’m gonna spend that kinda money on a truck, then I’m gonna have the ample space & payload that an HD truck provides. Might as well build a luxurious expedition vehicle at that price point.
If I was building a Baja style truck or trail rig for day trips, then that could be a different story for sure. Also kids vs no kids in the back is a huge factor. Other than the Gladiator, midsize rear seats look useless (on videos Ive seen).
Since my TJ days I have been in love with Jeeps. Having fun daily driving, road tripping huge distances, and of course off-roading them. I had swamp water waste deep in my Jeep, pulled the drain plugs, and kept going. I've put one of my Jeeps on it's side while off-roading, flipped it over, and drove to work on Monday. I've been high up in the Rockies and of course deep in the desert of Moab, climbing crazy obstacles. I took my last Jeep, a 2020 Gladiator off-road, but I'm really struggling with the thought of taking my 2024 Gladiator on anything worse than a gravel road...
Jeeps were fun convertibles, with an iconic heritage, that could go anywhere, and that the average person could afford. Unfortunately these excessively high prices are making it unaffordable for the average person, and far too expensive to have fun with off-road without worrying about putting a scratch on it, and that is a shame.
I bought a brand new Wrangler JK in 2013 for $23,995. It doesn’t seem that long ago.
It's called greed!
With inflation added, $23,995 in 2013 is today $32,476.58. So if they only raised their prices in-line with inflation that would be the price today
How Dare you compare RUSH with a 6 cylinder engine! RUSH comes second to only LED Zeppelin . I don’t like you anymore
Rush sucks 😂
10 bucks is 10 bucks IYKYK.
Stellantis is happening to Jeep. 😮
I think thatKlausSchwabIsPullingTheStrings!
Stellantis is Jeep. Jeep is stellantis. Why are you separating the two?
@@Natethegreat200c Because Jeep long existed before Stellantis. The same engineers worked on Jeep through various incarnations of the company. We didn't see this level of problems when the Italians bought them. But once the French moved in, it's been fail after fail.
@@Natethegreat200c You don't understand the history. Jeep was a totally separate company from Chrysler (now Stellantis) until the 1980s.
@@horseathalt7308not exactly. Jeep has always had a parent company. All of them effectively used jeep to slow their demise.
In no way could it be that Jeep has priced out its consumers.
Jeep could release a barebones Wrangler, with a 3.6L or in a perfect world the 4.0L inline-6, for sub-$25k and would sell 100k+ a year
They could even come out with a the 4xe for like 35k. Everything else base model.
But that’s the issue, Jeep isn’t releasing a barebones wrangler lol. The New England area is littered with Rubicons that will never get used or tested the way Rubicons are meant to be. Lower level trims are harder to come by.
Probably not doable unless robots were building 99% of it with wage costs... Or build them all in Mexico.
@@colemorgan8567 you should be happy - you can buy them used cheaply and they are already set up with lockers and sway bar disconnects
Sub $25K is a reach by any standard, but at $30K they'd still have a winner. As for the 4.0 coming back....I don't think anybody is holding their breath there
The problem with Jeep is they are way overpriced. Then to top it off they are unreliable with poor fit and finish. At least the Wrangler has great resale value, and free rubber ducks too if you collect them.
Where is your source that jeeps are unreliable? Do you drive on the roads and look at other cars on the roads ? There are A PLETHORA of 20 year old jeeps of all models on the roads. Are we ignoring them?
@@Natethegreat200c we are talking about the ones in the last 10 or so years. of course a TJ with a 4 liter is still on the road, well if the frame hasn't rusted away.
@@Stackali but you have no proof against the newer ones other than being a old head.
@@Stackali I have a 2024 Gladiator Rubicon X, and in 5 months I have put 9k miles on it. Not a single issue and it goes Offroad every couple of weeks too. It has a Metalcloak 3.5" lift, on 37's The last road trip was 640 miles, we did it in one day without any problems. I know dozens of people in the Jeep club with well over 100k miles on their Gladiators and they haven't had issues either with the powertrain.
They are in the process of going out of business.
When i was in Germany, i joined the "Hanau/American 4wheelers" a group that included chevys, jeeps, a suzuki samerai, and basically whatever anyone had. We did a lot of mudding and rallys, mostly in military training areas. We did convoy to Italy once to swim in the warm water on the coast. I had a 1976 CJ7 with a 258 six cylinder and 4 speed.
Wrangler needs to drop in MSRP by 10k, with dealer incentives still available
Inflation. Vote accordingly
Lol maybe more than 10k because after spec’ng one it’s gonna be 75-85,000 for a 3.6 v6 4 door suv. Why on earth would I spend 80k on a basic slow v6 suv? I would not.
@@technom3598 Since inflation is a global thing being felt in over 195 countries and to be expected after another global issue that happened in 2020 (not to mention the US has one of the best inflation rates in the world right now), i think what you meant to say was "greed" being hidden behind the guise of inflation aka as "greedflation". Also, I will be voting for the one that didn't run up the highest tax deficit in US history while giving the top 1% tax breaks, thanks.
try 25%. base Wranglers should be low 30s (civic territory). space each trim about $7k-8k apart as you move up the feature ladder. Sahara are mi-upper 40s; and Rubi are low 50s. What technology in Jeeps other than 4xe is high tech?
@@technom3598truth
It's almost like making the price of your cars soar, while the quality tanks, while the reliability is in the toilet, and dealers scam people left and right, leads people to choose other cars instead of your plastic fantastic broken jeeps. Stellantis is the worst thing to happen to American cars since Detroit got lazy in the 60s and 70s.
Nobody is interested in their "muscle car" EVs! CEO needs to be sacked, before the company goes under.
You mean car guys don't want a car that is factory limited to 135 mph and you can't cruise around in all day? ...
What muscle car EVs does Jeep sell?
... so the Trackhawk GC or Rubi 392 doesn't count?
@@jamesengland7461 That's what their future is based on. EV Chargers and Challengers.
@@OtisFlint not only do those have gas versions, but they're still not Jeeps, the subject of this video.
As a jeep enthusiast I own a 95 XJ and a 01 TJ because they were cheap, low tech, low cost options you could off road and hunt in and get anywhere you wanted to go. I would NEVER pay 50k plus for a phone on wheels to go hunt deer and be deathly afraid to scratch the paint on something that expensive. I love my jeeps because they were relatively cheap and not embarrassed to be seen in them but not to scared to take them where I needed to go.
I work at a Jeep service department and I can say I have yet to see any major problems with the Wrangler 2.0 turbo. The 3.6 has been a really good engine in the last 5 years and the auto trans has also been good. I have however seen quite a few problems with the clutch assemblies on the JK and JT manual transmission.
Stellantis is killing Dodge, Jeep, Ram. People have been saying this was going to happen for years and we're finally seeing it.
A 2024 Jeep Compass Limited by where I am (Vancouver, BC, Canada) retails for $60,000CAD. A fully loaded CR-V Touring Hybrid is just under $52,000CAD.
No one in their right mind would even bother going to look at the Compass. They are turning their customers away by pricing their vehicles like that.
Plus the Honda will far outlive the Jeep and cost much less to repair.
You'll be in and out of service departments with problems like a faulty transmission with those heaps of trash.
@@johnnytorres277yeah those new Hondas are showing their rear ends in very unpleasant ways
@@gregoryvierra6114there’s no proof of that other than your biased love for Japanese cars. It’s funny how the Honda can and did have engine issues , Jeep didn’t yet you will say the Honda will outlast the Jeep. Where is your proof? Even your beloved consumer reports has engine issues documented with Honda but not the compass . So where is your insight coming from?
It's a Fiat don't buy it. It's not a real jeep. Only one that's really left that's a real jeep is the wrangler.
Stellantis is killing most of the FCA products they have inherited.
Their old. Fca brung all these cars in 2011-2017. It’s time for new cars. No?
Have made the necessary adjustments to my Jeep to change it from being gutless to a off road monster .. Have a 2015 Rubicon AEV JKU .. Wranglers are gutless when properly equipped .. Mine reached 88,000 miles and was blowing oil .. I decided that instead of buying another gutless JKU, I decided to spend the money to rebuild mine which is the platform I love .. I went w/ a 6.4 hemi swap thru AMW 4x4 at Northridge 4x4 .. My Jeep is now a 6.4 hemi w/ over 550 hp and an 8 spd tranny .. I added Currie axles D60 rear and D44 front w/ 4.56 gears .. I included Adams drive shafts and heavy duty Steer-smarts tie rods, drag link and track bar & sway bar .. I also went w/ a Hellwig rear sway bar and big brakes to handle the weight of the hemi .. My Jeep Rubicon, AEV, AMW 4x4 hybrid is now a unstoppable beast and handles great both on and off-road ..
I never go off road with my vehicles but just getting up and down the steep, very bumpy and often washed out two miles of private gravel road to get to my house especially in the winter requires a good four wheel drive vehicle and off road tires. Not every American lives in the city or suburbs.
Stellantis is killing our American icons. It's honestly so disgusting
So tell us: what parent company in the history of Jeep honored these icons? Every owner of the brand was on the ropes from the moment it took custody of the brand.
@markleyva3108 pretty clearly everyone but Stellantis. No one has been perfect but the current executives are blatantly running it into the ground.
It’s disgusting why we sold it to them. Same thing with Anheuser Busch
@@bk27117 Mercedes purposely screwed over Chrysler products
@@golferpro1241 Chrysler merged with Mercedes back in 1998 just so you understand that they had a romance with European car markers for a very long time now some 25 years. It's not like this is something new. Chrysler has always been in crisis mode but managed with good American leadership in FCA to do pretty well for itself but there is a problem, during FCA the Europeans injected HUGE cash in to the American operations as the European side was doing really well, now the European side is doing pretty bad and are desperate to milk the American side for money to save the European side. It's all a big mess but it is what it is.
Stop with the hybrid and electric crap. And bring the cost down and remove the useless unreliable tech. Problem solved. They should make me the CEO. I just saved the brand.
lol nice! But you forgot they need to sell all that tech crap so they can pay the CEO 100 million dollars a year lol
I totally agree. The 4xE is a piece of crap. Kind of funny hearing The Fast Lane Car praise the 4xE.
Total crap! Going electric seoul’s save jeep…wake up rookie!
The 4Xe is the only reason I’m considering a Jeep for my next vehicle
I'm a huge Jeep guy. I own 6 currently (some older) and offroad all the time. Our 202 JL has spent more than a year in the shop with transmission, BCM and galvanic corrosion problems and it only has 14k miles. I purchased a 2020 RAM Power Wagon and it was the worst truck I had ever owned. Sold it after one year. My wife purchased a 2023 Grand Cherokee and it also spent more than half of the 18 months we owned it in the shop (it would blow scalding hot air constantly). Stellantis was the worst thing to happen to these American brands.
On our JK, 145k miles and have only replaced the oil cooler, our LJ, 120k miles and it has been perfect. It's not just the quality, it's also their dealer experience. The service departments have so much turnover and are months out, besides being quite rude. For my wife, we went back to Lexus. Their quality and service are amazing. I would suggest Stellantis take a "Team Building" trip to Lexus and learn a few things about running a customer facing business.
Man. You were just hoping? That's a lot of self induced torture. Thank god you came back to your sense and went with Lexus. You are correct on that one. 👏🏼
So much truth here it's 😢 and sickening.I believe the best hope is to get this company sold back to American ownership or the bleeding may not stop.
Oooo, Tommy saying RUSH is no body’s favorite band is a big mistake. I think you’re gonna get some push back on that one.
One of the stupider statements Ive heard in a long while.
I hate Rush...
Rush kinda has a niche sound to me. However, they do have lots of dedicated fans
Rush is the best rock band in the world. Hundreds of thousands of people agree with me. Ask Dave grohl. Ask Radiohead. Ask real musicians.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 I hate VW's
I think it's kind of a good thing. My wife and I both prefer a manual transmission. The 3.6, especially with a 6 speed, seems like a reliable vehicle that would be fairly easy to work on. Though I was hoping for the hurricane straight 6 turbo.
Please keep speaking up TFL. As a current Wrangler owner, it’s sad to see the downward spiral of this brand. I will be trading my Jeep in for a GM truck next year as they’re an American brand who still understand what the American people want (outside of their EV failures which every brand is terrible at other than Tesla who still offers an “affordable” product). Which is ironic that a brand (Jeep) that technically served this country in war is no longer viewed as being an American brand, cause it’s not. We’ve got enough money in this country, pleaseeee will a few billionaires get together and purchase Jeep, Ram, and dodge and put them back in the hand of American car/truck enthusiasts
Are American high car prices creating an environment ripe for the low cost Chinese cars to come in and essentially take over - similar to Japanese cars in the 70's and 80's?
10000% and the same thing with the ducking EV revolution too. They should have been working on this for the past 30 years but no one did anything
yes - this is why there are tarrifs in place and they are talking about banning all Chinese made car parts... if BYD entered the market here without restrictions - they would totally mop up the floor with the offerings here (including the Japanese offerings)
You Aussie guys get the awesome tank and gwm brands among dozens of others in Australia. You are Very lucky .
I wish all truck manufacturers would ditch the turbo charged 4 cylinder. Toyota I’m talking to you.
We don’t need Chinese cars in the American market
Stellantis is intent on the Nissan model of keeping prices too high until you are priced into obscurity and very little resources to update their lineup.
And guess who was Executive Vice President at Nissan before going back to Renault. Mr. Tavares.
Don't forget, Carlos Tavares ran Nissan's US operations when he was at Renault.
Nissan is back! They have the right offerings.
nissan's being priced to high is simply untrue. Nissan typiclly gives you more bang for your buck. Such as standard features
@@WeSRT4 Nissan lost More money this year than Stellantis, there in so much trouble Honda is about to purchase them along with Mitsubishi.
People who buy Jeeps want a basic, fun and most importantly a cheap ride. Not a luxury vehicle.. Throw away the turbos and 50k price tags. Make Jeep Wranglers Affordable again.
I traded my 2020 Wrangler Sport S for the 2024 Wrangler Sahara hardtop about a month ago. The 3.6L engine was the clear winner for me. The 2.0L is loud and buzzy.
The 3.6L offers smooth, linear power delivery that makes driving through difficult terrain including winter conditions easier and safer. It's proven technology.
Jeep’s are a simple recipe: 2 solid axles, selectable 4H and 4L, removable top and doors, and a shape that resembles a child’s drawing, . Either keep the 3.6 or bring back the 4.0, nothing less. Innovation with 4xE is neat but eh. Push the base level and Sahara trims to keep it marketable as affordable and capable. I see so many rubicons on the road in New England that will never be used even to its minimum potential. Love the rubicons and used all the switches and buttons when wheeling it but most people don’t wheel their jeeps or they consider driving down a dirt road in VT/NH/ME on a weekend trip wheeling because they got some mud on the side of their jeep. Jeeps have become so overpriced, and in the New England area, everyone seems to want a rubicon because it’s got all the buttons and switches that they will never use. Sell what sells but they’re really missing the market share of selling more vehicles at a good price. They should be marketing the hell out of lower trim levels where the simplistic nature of the Jeep makes the most money and sense to everyday people who don’t wheel and want something that can handle snow, inclement weather, be fun to drive to the beach or handle mud season in the northern New England states.
They make more money selling a handful of very expensive jeeps at high mark-up than selling 10 times more basic jeeps just barely above the margins; they are following the profit, and cheap vehicle buyers are no longer the target audience.
The 4.0 was killed because it was too good. No one buys new Jeeps if the old ones never die. I'm closing in in 400k miles on mine. Starts right up every day. Still doesn't burn oil...Just change that oil and don't skimp on the sensors.
I'm actually looking for a base gladiator in New England but all the lots are stuffed with overpriced Mojave and rubicons that I will never have a use for. The price is dropping on them but still, I'm not going to buy something I don't need and will most likely cost me more in the long term with added costs for repairs and maintenance.
My wife got a JLR and we have no idea what the buttons do. Heck we did not even know the thing was a rwd and not a smart awd. One day when it depreciated a lot we will take it off road.
@@Cloud30000 agreed and the market is the market. I like the Arizona Iced Tea business model. Sell more at less and outperform the higher cost items. Comes down to marketing
Reliability and longevity of a vehicle is vital in the American market.
My 2019, 2 door, manual, rubicon was $37k. I’ll be keeping it.
Nice, I'd keep the manual too.
Never sell it for the love of God lol
LOL you still paid TOO much.
BRIT here…. Love you guys been watching TFL channels for the longest time!
My son lives in SC now a US citizen… he has had his Gladiator 2 years and it’s great… rugged, flexible, comfy…. Easy to “mod” …. A PHEV. In Europe would sell hugely.. Stelantis needs to bring that here to break into the truck market…
Seems the European leaders are applying what they know works in EUROPE to USA … but it’s a different culture and market… like trying to get the French to give up wine and escargot for lentils and tap water… will never work.
New incarnation of the 2/4 door Wrangler is what it needs and more realistic pricing
Rush is a "fine band but no one's favorite"? Good grief, man. Stopped watching right there.
Because he said something you didn’t agree with ?
They were OK, but lets be honest here....they had like three big songs
That was offensive being that we are here for automobiles, not music.
I’ve always LOVED your guys Jeep Wrangler content. Currently I own a 2017 Jk Wrangler and she has been so faithful to me. ❤
They tried to go up market and shouldn’t have. Jeep owners, and even the folks who they tried to attract to the Jeep brand, didn’t think of Jeep as making something that can compare to the Escalade or Navigator. The Wagoneer is nice but they should’ve spent the money investing into smaller or midsize cross overs. It’s still mind blowing to me there’s no Cherokee.
Under the guise of inflation they have price gouged their customers and have made record profits. There should never again be any brand loyalty. If you guys get another jeep, I'd vote for a two door Rubicon. That should be the most capable vehicle out there. Put it on 37s and push it to it's limits.
too expensive, they've raised prices faster than inflation and paychecks
Roman, great vid. I absolutely agree about the path Stellantis is taking. Coming from a guy that has a 22 Bronco, but wife has 22 Grand Cherokee L and son has a JL wrangler.
Gladiator is way too expensive for its lack of capability. It’s also ugly until it’s lifted, which is even more cost. I’d rather buy a full sized Chevy or ford 1/2 ton. More capability and a cheaper cost for a bigger/nicer vehicle. 4xe isn’t appealing to me. The extra complexity and weight of 4xe isn’t worth it for off roading.
Lack of capability? I don't think so.
Not many 1/2 trucks in Moab or on the Rubicon Trail. Plenty of Gladiators.
I’d never consider a 4xe. Not ever.
You are honestly right on that but Gladiator has to be the most badass vehicle modded, like the kinds of crazy zombie apocalypse mods and overlander mods look dope!
Just admit, you desire one badly. Don't speak for all of us, love my Gladiator Rubicon. Stock it can go everywhere at any time. Can't say the same for other bands without spending massive amounts of money.
@@bradj9870 About .0002% of trucks will ever be driven on the Rubicon trail, so for the other 99.9998% of buyers, yes your standard half ton has a lot more capability.
The most popular 4x4 in France is the Dacia Duster diesel 1.5 liter. The French have barely any 4x4 culture. I was just there a few days ago. Renault designed the Dacia Duster for example and then had Dacia in Romania make it but they have barely any experience making a 4x4. My Duster’s AWD system is from Nissan… The French are not really car people…
I'd take a Lada Granta sedan an honest modern economy car, with its soul in the 1990s. It's just $8,500 USD with manual and AC included. It's durable, cheap to maintain, and proven!
Jeep seems to do the exact opposite of what a company trying to be successful would do.
Agreed. It’s so absurd, it almost feels intentional.
I think dude is right. In about 10-15 years we're going to look back fondly on the 3.6 pentastar. It's reliable, easy to work on, easy to get parts for, and gives just enough torque/HP to get the job done. I love the fun from the 2.0 turbo in my daughter's Wrangler but it's kinda a nightmare to work on and the 3.6 in my Gladiator has given me no headaches.
Interesting show. I factory ordered a 2014 Cherokee Trailhawk with the 3.2 Pentastar and it has been rock solid, powerful, responsive, easy to maintain, and just one awesome power plant! I love it!! Great vehicle as well, but the suspension is obviously not designed to be used in any way other than gingerly when off road. Still, it's a solid vehicle and one of the best I've owned. The Trailhawk, towing, and leather options make it a seriously excellent machine.
My wife has a 2016 (138,000km) she loves it still. It’s only been in for a reflash as we had some infotainment issues.
It’s been a great vehicle, we got lucky. But we won’t be paying $57,000 ($CAD) for a new one
I'm from Costa Rica, and I LOVE the jeep gladiator, is such a cool looking rig when setup right, but it fetches a HIGH price here, going for around 85.000$ used, I think only people with lots of money have them and don't see them around enough cause of it, so yeah, they are basically out of range for enthusiasts like me. For that money over here you could get a lot of other solid cars!
Stellantis CEO is ruining this company on purpose.
When I purchased my 2024 Wrangler Rubicon X manual I was told that just 3% of new Wranglers are allocated with the manual transmission. I wanted a Rubicon X with Sky One Touch and a manual transmission...just a month ago I could only find 60 nationwide. You can't get the Recon package on manual transmissions...or I couldn't find any. Save the manuals!
I paid $37k for my 2018, 2 door, rubicon, manual
I wanted a Manual too, but you had to special order one, and doing so, severely limited many of the options...
@@tripleseven8361 How so? I've always ordered so that I could get exactly the options I wanted.
@@JohnUrbanic-m3q Okay...Here're a couple of examples...If you wanted the Diesel, ( when it was available), you could only get the 4 door automatic...In 2024, if you wanted matching roof and fender paint, you could only get that in the 'Recon' edition with the 36 X 12.5" wheels, with the "Auto" transfer case, (with pucks)...I wanted the older, chain driven transfer case, so I had to opt for a straight Rubicon, without the matching paint and do the other mods myself...
I can't believe the stupidity of these brands. They have gone all in on the cheap plastic crap, especially on engine components, and they are never going to hold up. EVER. They just don't hold up. And they know it.
I bought a Gladiator Rubicon Diesel in 2022 well below MSRP. I felt like I got a good deal after extensive comparison. I’ve driven it all over the country on and off road. I’ve had zero issues with it, it’s very solid, and I love it. That being said, I would not even consider buying any Wrangler or Gladiator today considering the prices and what’s being offered.
Me chilling in my 2015 JKU WIllys with manual locks, manual doors, manual mirrors, manual lights, manual seats, no infotainment screen... and the 3.6L w/ automatic transmission 😎😎😎
They need to bring simplicity back for all brands of vehicles.
Its the global trend against american consumer popular products.
Jeep was ran better under Sergio.
Jeep was better under the Germans too
You mean people don’t want a $120,000 Jeep. I’m shocked.
The JL Wrangler has been improved significantly, so I'm hearing from a couple that just purchased one. They said it rides noticeably better on the street, it's quieter and it handles better. They also think it's better built, for example the rear hatch is tighter. It makes me think that upgrading my '21 Sport S when the lease is up makes good sense.
Why would they decide to discontinue the automatic transmission on the 3.6 V6? Bad decision, IMO. Many Americans want an automatic transmission, but they don't want it paired with a turbocharged engine.
It’s not discontinued, it’s a $4.5k option on the V6. Stupid high.
@@MeanNGreen17 they said it's gone for 2025. You can't get the V6+8 speed automatic transmission after this year.
Probably to help with CAFE numbers and to justify discontinuing it for the JM Wrangler. They know everyone will buy an automatic, which puts them in the 2.0, which gets slightly better EPA fuel economy numbers, and superior emissions numbers. The 3.6 will have low sales because it's manual only, most wranglers sold will be the 2.0 which will help Stellantis' corporate numbers, and they can quietly discontinue the 3.6 in a few years
That one bad descision just sold thousands more Broncos
@@MeanNGreen17wrong...
Demand. That’s the reason for the limitations. They still have 23’s and a huge supply of 24’s they can’t sell. So to manufacture a full range of 25’s and filling already packed lots can’t happen. This is the fallout of insane pricing and absolute greed that is pricing people out of their vehicles. If stock ever goes down, option choices will open back up.
Any news on the dodge family being interested in buying back the company?
There's been a rumor going around that GM might be interested in Jeep, if Stellantis will sell it ala carte.
The Dodges were sneaking mofos
GM makes sense. Ford has the Bronco and GM doesn't have an apples to apples comparison. Would be interesting to see if they keep the Gladiator if this does happen
@@mattmarkowicz ?!?
@@horseathalt7308 What, GM doesn’t have enough debt already?!? 👀
Just recently bought a 2017 JK. Love it. And have taken it out on the trails and it does well. But it's deff not as rugged as you'd expect a JEEP to be. Bought it with tons of aftermarket stuff done doit. The price was pretty high. But only had 50k miles. Not sure how I feel about the engine. Don't love the trans. It shifts alot on the highway. Feels underpowered. But all in all. I love the thing so far
For years and years I had a 1998 Cherokee as my daily drive. Loved the car, loved the 4L engine but OK, after 25 years we replaced it recently with a small Subaru :). Then my summer car is a 2001 Jeep TJ, only a little newer than the Cherokee. Same engine, same manual gear, just a bit rougher to drive, but that's the fun of a summer car. At the time, the Cherokee cost us USD 15k and in 2015, the TJ was just $4k. In today's market, those two cars together would cost a fortune. BTW, I love the Short Cut !!
"People buy Jeeps for the off road trips they never take." The American car market in a nutshell.
Not so in Idaho
Disagree. I live in New England and I drive mine around everywhere with the top down and tube doors on as much as humanly possible to experience the outdoors more. It's not a road trip vehicle, it's a lifestyle and quality of life vehicle.
This may be true but some people like me just like to know that we have the capability if we ever need or want it. Also ya never know when the mood will strike to take an offroad adventure and if that does strike then ya know you have the ability.
Not in Arizona. Even on the most remote trails you run into fellow Jeep owners. Even the non-off-road types end up on the nearby trail systems eventually.
Stellantis saw Jeep/Ram simply as a way to print money. Eventually pricing themselves out of customers.
New jeeps are garbage. Sad. I've lived jeeps ever since I was little ... Ive had quite a few in my lifetime. I would never buy a new one.
Being the owner of a Chevy volt, and a Grand Cherokee WK2, we looked at getting back into a wrangler with the 4xe. We finally found a dealership that had one charged (was the sales managers personal vehicle, but let us try it) That thing severely missed the mark. Our Volt for example only turns on the engine when the battery cannot provide power, The wrangler on the otherhand caught us off guard when we left a traffic light and I slowly kept giving it more throttle pedal. At around 50-60% pedal the little 2.0 Slammed on, basically to redline screaming (audibly not performance wise) all the way up to the speed limit where it then went back down to idle for the next few minutes of driving at highway speeds, then shut off. The transition was terrible and you could feel the engine and motor come into sync with the transmission to still provide the same weak acceleration you get out of the pentastar. This 4xe was fully charged so it was not changing due to low battery, and the acceleration I was attempting was to simply keep up with traffic, not racing or testing max performance. I don't mind the engine starting, but it basically slamming on from zero and immediately going to almost redline is the same issues ESS is having with the engine being requested to perform from off. I really hope that the ramcharger does not use the same design of power management.
My Dad bought a Jeep in the last years of AMC ownership. It was a tool, no AC, vinyl seats, no radio. Just 4WD and a bombproof straight 6. It was affordable, relatively reliable and great for causing swamp @$$ in the summer. It did its job well and had 140,000 miles on it when we traded it in whith no major issues. Bring that back!
Name me a good French car company.......I'll wait.
Bugatti
@@alexnewell8580 Bugatti's are unreliable over priced pieces of shyt.. They are only desirable to dumb dumb people with to much money and dumb dumb rappers trying to look cool pretending they are rich... I'd only take a free one if there was no consequences to selling it immediately to a dumb dumb with to much money because we all know rappers only rent them...
@@alexnewell8580sounds Italian
Well, that's going to be a big matter of opinion.
Name a normal every person French vehicle, ya I’ll wait 😂
What is happening? Stellantis is happening.
Take an iconic American brand that sold fairly priced durable off roaders. Change everything about it other than some cosmetics and Jack the price sky high. Then wonder why it fails.
I think it's technically a downgrade getting rid of the manual windows and locks. The Chrysler products all have electrical issues....windows always work if they aren't power.
I bought a new Jeep in 2023. Within 2000 miles the drag link gave out with no off-roading. Dealership told me to find a ride and they would get it back to me within a few weeks. I told them my ride would be a 4Runner and they didn’t have to worry about it. I now had over 40k on my 4Runner and have had zero issues.
I looked at the gladiator many times and the price was always too high to justify. I really don’t think I will ever get a Stellantis product. Especially with all the Chinese EV’s they are now pushing in Europe and the layoffs in Michigan. It doesn’t sit well with me personally
Thought the same thing about a gladiator. Most gladiators in my area are only a grand or two off from a mid - high level trim 1500/150 and even 2500/250 full size trucks. Bed in the Gladiator wouldn’t be as useful if I need it versus a full size truck and a full size truck can do as much or more than a gladiator. Cost to value just points me at buying a truck over the gladiator that has the “utility” of a truck bed. Would rather just buy a regular jeep than have the false promise of a utility bed.
The problem is dodge and jeep are charging premium luxury brand prices for old outdated products and to make matters worse they've always had questionable reliability
The vehicles are far too expensive now.
Im about to buy my first wrangler. A 2024 4 door sport. I have between 2 options: 2.0L woth auto or 3.6L with manual. Longevity and quality is what i care about. Thoughts?
Speaking to RAM, along with the product being poor quality and over priced, there is a lack of support from Corporate and Dealerships alike.
Wish i could buy a new frontier with a manual midsize trucks need to have an option of manual
Uh, Rush is my favorite band.
Yuck...
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Whats your favorite band, Winger? 😄
@@mrdarklight winger? I barely know her...
Love my Wrangler (owned 3 of them), but it's a 2013 and needs replacing, not sure what will be next.
My first car was an 87 Cherokee, then I bought a 96 Cherokee. I loved both of those cars. Easy to work on, great off-road, and reasonably priced. It would be a lot of fun to have a Wrangler but with today’s MSRP I won’t buy one for what you get. Also, my co-worker’s 4xe was constantly in at the dealership for all sorts of issues.