Fear and Hunger 2's Occult References are DEEPLY Disturbing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2024
- In this video, I present one of the most shocking discoveries I have ever made.
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Thanks for the shoutout, and great work! or should I say Great Work! I was just thinking about the union of opposites today regarding another piece of media. 🤔
I loved your videos about Fear & Hunger.
One of the rare times I had already watched something before he even played the game it was about.
your lisa videos are based. thanks for posting your work for us to enjoy
Fear and hunger and lisa ones are great not really a fan of the others but I think it's more my media preference
Always a treat to see a Worm Gorl in her element! That being a wholesome eldritch entity of deep thinkin and good noise 😊
And so Max has become the ouroboros, generating and devouring his own content.
It's like that Beavis and Butthead episode: "WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE *SHADOW* AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE *UNCONSCIOUS* AND WE'LL CERTAINLY BE TALKING ABOUT THE *OPPOSITES! DO YOU FIND THAT FUNNY?!"* 😂
"DO YOU FIND FUNNY WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT *THE SELF?!"*
@@Cappuccino_RabbitDO YOU FIND IT FUNNY BUTTHEAD? DO YOU FIND IT FUNNY WE’LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE OCCULT?
Max to be added as a playable character in FEARFUL AND HUNGRY 3: How to Cook
Fearful and Hungrier 3: Cook Harder
the final chapter: fearless and absolutely full (ridiculously good ending)
"How to Serve Man"
IT'S A COOK BOOK!!
Fear and hunger 3: colon three
Fear and hunger 3 : let them cook
When Max realized he was the Fear and Hunger 2: Termina all along, I genuinely couldn't keep my grin off my face.
A.I. the omissiah. Our collective ideas merging into a machine that can simulate being in a lucid state infinitely achieving Godhood.
"From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me[...]"
@@Manwendlil"For I craved the certainty of steel"
So... Basically the Matrix
I am now the toaster
Look at him! He's the toaster now...
I love how Prehevil is based on Prague which was a great alchemical centre in Europe
That union of opposites appears quite a lot throughout the series, as well as humanity's rejection of it. Vinushka is a prime example
I can't imagine what it must feel like to have inspired a video game and to see it realised in your lifetime. Congrats, man.
I imagine my reaction would be similar to Max's. It's amazing.
I can't imagine a better content creator to inspire part of a video game.
the 10 minute lead up, to the 2 minute reveal and the 5 minutes of genuine excitement that your studies have lead to the creation of a video game. Congratulations. This is the same as the philosophers of ages past finding xenogears or any 90s jrpg. You are living an intellectually and spiritually stimulating life and I'm glad you can see the fruit bore.
Ending a is like the human instrumentality project from Eva.
The last minute of the video being frames from evangelion was a jumpscare
16:17 Something I'd like to point out, Ending A is rather blatantly a criticism of the real-world Digital Age, and the Internet. The internet, like Logic, is a repository of all human knowledge, and can be accessed by anyone. And yet, despite the purpose of the internet as a way to connect people and share knowledge and experiences, it has also resulted in insulating behavior and depersonalization, which exactly what is said of Logic and the future it brings.
This.
Seems less like the hivemind/loss of individuality scenario that we saw a few times, and more of a hyper-individualization, self-isolation and curated reality that reflects what we see today.
Yes but it's a little more complicated. Logic is not just the internet but postmodernity and hyperreality.
In F&H 2 Rher surfaces our shadow selves. In particular, Rher surfaces the Sulfur God, the shadow of Almer. But Rher does not create our shadow. Rher is not really our enemy.
Logic who ascends under Rher pulls a similar trick. Logic echoes Rher in sharing our unconscious. But Logic isn't responsible for our shadow.
It's more of a you cannot shortcut enlightenment sort of idea I think. The internet reveals much of our darkest shadow but does not create it.
@@yum9918 that "hyper-individualization," as you call it, is one of the late stages of neoliberal society driven by rampant capitalism: people become less distinct because they believe they are MORE individual, isolating them while also removing their tendency to think, ironically, as a true individual. We are never as original as we think we are, and those who can see that facade stand to gain from it.
@@VeritabIlIti Rampant materialism of any kind.
It's not really criticism though. The game mostly portrays Logic as a net positive for humanity, the same way the previous Age of Cruelty had been. That the negative consequences are worth it in exchange for advancement of humanity and real forward progress. Most people would argue the same for computers and the internet. 🤷 Hell, most would argue the same thing for capitalism, which has unquestionably pulled more people out of poverty than any other innovation in the history of mankind despite having some obvious ills. Real life isn't so damn black and white.
Max: Let's take a look at the lore of F&H2.
Minutes later: Oh, it appears I inspired the lore.
I hope Vinushka, the god of nature and the logic god will have more pressence in the third game, maybe set in a cyberpunk hive city nightmare and/or solarpunk feverdream with themes about humanity's complicated relationship to nature and technology
That's what I thought a third game could be about. In the first game we end an era with the birth of a new god, then the second game is about the end of that era ending it with yet another god being born. The third game could be set in this new era which would be more futuristic or at least modern.
I would definitely expect Vinushka to take a bigger role but for a different reason, along with the other old gods. Perhaps the next game will be set in Vinland, the nightmarish land of perpetual darkness closely tied to the old gods, a North America colony that remains mostly untamed by 1942 in game.
To be fair, there are hints that Vinushka was replaced by Logic, but I still suspect that the third game will focus on the consequences of Logic's creation
@@cdru515 I interpret it as an attempt to replace Vinushka, but he represents all natural cycles and biological life, as long as these are present he won’t be forgotten and will have influence. Might be a HUGE stretch, but Logic could be an aspect of Vinushka since it represents a very drastic change and human nature
Also David Martinez needs to be playable.
This was lovely. I love the shout outs to Worm Girl and MautheDog. Incredible work as always. Congratulations on your work being cited.
Side note: Have you played Who's Lila yet? The game straight up shouts out Jungian Psychology so I'd think it'd be up your alley.
That ending, yeah, the idea itself of merging by definition must have an opposite, separation, and both must be balanced. A merging where individual disappears in favor of the collective is not ideal, it's a merging done wrong. It's why the Marriage of flesh becomes more of a wretch the more it's practiced, the union of male and female is not supposed to be the literal erasure of sexual differences, and I grow more convinced that it's a resentful selfishness what drives it, the goal of never needing to rely on another human being again for them having something your body is incapable of providing on it's own.
I can feel my fear and hunger obsession coming back full force…
The video is great, but I can't get that thumbnail image out of my head.
HE'S BALLIN WITH THE MOON
you go Max, you're awesome, hearing your and Uberboyo's Aion videos gave me flashes of Fear and Hunger for some reason, and now I see why...
With the Shadow/Unconcious Self, I can't help but think about character's Moonscorched forms, and how some of them almost seem like a reflection of what they dislike about themselves. Levi's Weeping scope form is like how he was formed into a weapon by the state, Olivia's Mechanical Dancer being entirely metal, Marcoh's Giant being a massive brute with clubs for hands...
And Daan, being Pocketcat, who actually seems to accept his transformation, does that make Pocketcat a Perfect Self, in some weird way?
Nah i think pocket cat just possed him due to trauma you tellin me that Dan who isnt a pedo becomes a pedo
theyre like a grim version of the Shadow selves in Persona 4, which, hey, another deeply Jungian series. Another notable one is Abella's Chaugnar being incredibly muscular and masculine, likely representing a repressed (since she doesnt seem particularly worried about it prior to turning) insecurity about her perceived lack of femininity.
Would you consider doing an analysis on the Watchmen tie-in comic/animated short film *"Tales of the Black Freighter".*
(Granted you may have to read/watch the comic/film of Watchmen to fully understand it)
Though it is its own story of a castaway sailor losing his sanity and morals trying to get home, the messages, themes & allegories tie into the Watchmen comic/film.
It really shook me.
If I were to do it, I would want to do it while talking about the wider Watchmen story and lore simultaneously. Or, I would do a video on Watchmen first, and then do Tales of the Black Freighter.
@@maxderrat Understandable. Love your videos. ❤️
@@maxderratwould you do a video about the hbo show as well? I'm curious about your opinion about it! (Cheers from Brazil)
Maybe! I've never seen it.
I might have to check it out, Watchmen as a movie still holds up and it's probably my favorite super hero movie. Top 5 for sure!
Really fucking happy to see you delve into Fear and Hunger, specially Termina
The Sulphur god is basically Piccolo crossed with Castlevania: Lords Of Shadow
In my head cannon, F&H3 could be a follow up in the future where Logic not only remains active, but pervasive in human lives. Most of humanity has merged with the structure as a means of connection, control by the state, or a means of enlightenment through a literal means of merging vessels. I could imagine in this day and age, the gods are near completely forgotten as Logic has dominated overall. However, with a stagnation of philosophical and religious presence, an erosion of spirit could emerge. With a lack of identity, the individual minds will degrade into monstrous beings that could only be found in moth eaten books that are considered antiques. Since most people are hooked to Logic, I can imagine there is some sort of life support, so production of ready made food is sparse. Those who haven't see the real world in their lives won't know how to navigate it. Those who lived in Logic will see the terror of their friends and family corrupt into monsters. The collective unconsciousness may try to develop a safe haven where they can retain themselves and each other. Wouldn't it be neat if that Haven was Ma'habre? It was always there, it just needed a medium to exist in.
Just a thought
Max Derrat not understanding that he is a force of nature here on TH-cam and not just one of the random essayists/analysts on the platform is hella funny to me :D
Watching you'r videos are a delight, I feel like I not only learn more about philosophy than I did at university, but also understand the concepts far better. And I start seeing the patterns elsewhere as well.
This video also reminded me of Hollow Knight, where the Radiance gave "Unity" (possibly similar to the Logic ending in FaH 2) to the moths, but they ultimately abandoned "Unity" for "Higher Thought" when they met the Pale King. The Pale King later used a Vessel (the titular Hollow Knight), a union of opposites (the shell of a Higher Being and a heart of Void), to seal away the Radiance.
There's a lot more nuance to the story but the gist of it has a lot of familiar symbology.
Wait... A mortal turned god who ascended by discarding his evil self?
Holy crap the Sulfur God is literally Demon King Piccolo from Dragon Ball
You deserve this tribute/Fame for all the culture and knowledge shared in all your videos. 3 years ago I left you a message and we discussed how people not worth of fame were idolized, now three years later, you get a great gift of the universe. I'm really glad my friend, enjoy and keep the good work! 👏👏👏👏👏
16:53 but wouldn't that actually be worse? Like, rather than seeking new experiences and solving new problems, people would rather stay in our shared world, so there would not be any true advancement 🤔 after all, in f&h1 nash'rah says something along the lines of "humanity is chaos, not meant to be controlled"; but also this would mean that there's no hope either than joining the sulfur god or everyone ascending and becoming a new god...man this lore really makes you think
That's the thing. Instead of doing something revolutionary, we spend hours upon hours, staring into screens of our internet-connected devices.
. (And a paradoxical self-contradiction)
If humanity were to actually develop the impetus and involvement to really live, rather than be dissociated sycophants, Then they wouldn't need to defer to apathetic distant iconography.
-But instead, Humanity is chaos. Unreasonable. Therefor, They tear through worlds, paradigms, abstract concepts, And ultimately invent a way to have even less responsibility for themselves, Only to spitefully disobey the ideals they made for themselves again. (The outer beings always retreat into the void, because humans freak them out.)
@@user-od7hh8qg9dthats kinda what I was thinking after watching this, Logic in a way has kinda won here - everyone being connected with the internet. Would rather stay in their homes rooted to their devices rather than going outside and doing anything. Doesn't need to be a full on matrix-like reality to achieve this sort of thing.
So glad you did a shout out for Worm Girl, her Cataclysm:DDA playthroughs are the most soothing post apocalyptic narrative I've ever fallen asleep to.
Another awesome video, thanks for your hard work in bringing these concepts to us.
You and Paul do a lot of work to educate us on alchemy and the occult and we have learned a lot. I hope you feel proud
Excellent video as always, and how crazy that reference they made to one of your videos in the game, that just goes to show the excellent work you do🤓
The battle Royale until only one survives to reach the summit of a giant tower reminds me of digital devil saga
I wonder where that idea comes from and what it symbolizes
Max, love you videos man. I really do feel like learning a lot from watching them. You were also an inspiration for me to start reading Jung's and Freud's work, together with Alan Watts' books
another thing to consider on the Conscious vs Subconscious is the other model, in which the conscious mind has two components, the Ego and Superego, The Id obviously matches the Shadow of Sulfur, and Superego being morality and religious beliefs matches well to the divine and kind Allmer, so we are left with the final one, Ego, which represents Logic, 3 guesses whos that part
This is really cool, I'm glad Max's videos are bringing these great ideas into public consciousness. I hope more games use his videos as reference points.
This is Very reminiscent of The diamond sutra which states that there is no enlighment and The vows.
Really enjoyed this video along with your previous F&H video. I think there's a lot of interesting topics in both F&H games that I'd like to see you dissect.
I've been waiting for this video! It didn't disappoint!
I don’t know exactly why, but I’ve been deeply fascinated by these games.
You my have hit the nail on the head as to why i like this series with these two videos. I love the type of horror it visually shows but I knew it was something else, but I didn't know why till now.
That's so cool that the developer watches your videos. Still remember your vids from when you were on HBR.
I love these games. And your work. Haven’t played these enough to watch this, very excited to watch.
What I have gleaned from your videos, writ large, is that when videogame developers want to get occulty/deep, they build a lore based on Jung's theories that I basically describe as "explaining psychology by applying mythology tropes" lol. It all feels secretly real, cuz the psychology it's based on of course feels familiar. And since the psychology reminds us of things we have experienced in our own lives, we assume the rest that doesn't feel familiar, must also be true. And thus the sensation that we're becoming party to deep dark mysteries. Your analyses are always spot on, but, game developers really love the Jungian occulty well lol
all the lore videos i’ve watched has prepared me for a full comprehension of all the references you’ve laid out, maybe i’ll finally play the game
ty for this! and glad to see your work inspiring others!!
The story and details of the fear and hunger games are so dang interesting. And great video.
More Fear and Hunger!!! Let's fucking go!!!
Missed you Max you're finally back in my feed
this video was incredible, keep up the amazing work!
What an excellent analysis and video. Just wild!
Trivia: Perkele is a finnish swear word, sort of the kind of "goddamn!" It is related to the christian devil, and in modern times is thought of as a synonym. Some researchers believe that it was also used as the name for the supreme god in finnish pagan beliefs and pantheon, commonly known as "Ukko" the thunder god.
Haven't played the games, so can't provide any more input or analysis on the name. Of course, could also just be an easter egg kind of thing since so many non-finnish speakers know perkele as a finnish swear word ^^'
Well here's another fun trivia:
Yahweh was likely based off the storm God in caananite pantheon.
There's nothing like finding a quality content creator. Im so glad I clicked on that random video of yours that got recommended to me.
Amazing breakdown and explaination of this game and comparison to Aion by Carl Jung. As someone mentioned already in the comment section (which I've said for years). A.I. will be the major collective which leads us to singularity point.
Damn you helped inspire some of the lore in fear and hunger that’s crazy!
Dude I love the thumbnail!
Special thanks to Indi for her artwork!
Omg thank you!!! ❤❤❤
I love to see how much your channel has grown
this video came out for me at a weird time I was actually reading and writing about tackling my fears and looking deeper at my negative to maybe find some answers about myself and I decided why not take a break and this slides right in and now I'm sub I'm going to check out more of your video but man that was kinds of a trip for me almost as if the universe is leading me down this path of self-improvement
as a fan of your channel, sir, it's great that your analysis has reached out to other creators and made them an inspiration for their works. I, too, am one of those. Hopefully, one day, I can share my works with you who were inspired by your videos. Thank you for the teachings.
You have great videos I am so happy that you are being referenced in other mediums as well.
omg the Talos principle soundtrack!!!! Love this game and really really hope it gets noticed more!
Excellent music choice with the Dino-Crisis theme
Grate work as always. You inspire more people than you know whit this and we thank you for it.
Awesome video man, my mind went kinda lighter.
Enki ultimately proved that humanity could embrace their shadow self and come out with their mind and humanity intact in his S ending. Logic, as you mentioned, would eliminate personality and keep you trapped in a dreamlike state, which is ultimately no better than the new gods being trapped in that dining hall.
11:37 😂 also that so sweet of Miro. You are now apart of the f&h lore.
1 minute into the video and I already know that this is a masterpiece
I am currently reading "hard boiled wonderland and the end of the world" by haruki murakami and I really love the atmosphere of the book even tho its hard to determine what are the themes and what is it all about in the end but at some point the main character is deprived of his shadow and your explanation of the shadow was very interesting and enlightning regarding this book and what was the whole purpose of the shadow existence
Gratz dude. Must be a great feeling to inspire something so dark and horrifying like Termina =p
lol I literally beat Fear and Hunger two days ago and just started Termina yesterday. Talk about fantastic timing.
Fear and Hunger wears its influences on its sleeve, it's a so cool you're among them.
If you look for another title to analyze I would recommend Slay the Princes, there are some interesting themes in context of what occult elements you brought up here.
I wish I could convey how hard my jaw dropped watching this. I LOOOOVE your videos on Funger so much and it's so cool how full circle this became!!
EDIT: I totally made comparisons to Lain and Logic as well omg!!! I'm so excited someone is finally talking about it too
Man, this video drops just when I grasp enough about Jungian psychology to actually understand the subject and what you're talking about. It's been a wild ride when I dropped into a rabbit hole last summer comparing Jungian concepts to plot elements in a less well known PS2 game (with ChatGPT as I knew jack about Jung at that point). What I discovered was... puzzling at first, and pieces kept falling into place and by the end I was convinced that the writer has to have taken concepts from Jungian psychology. That I'm willing to bet money on.
I've been waiting for this one, nice
I'd love to see you do an analysis on Rush's Cynus X-1, both parts. I think the themes may be something you'd be interested in.
Ending A of F&H Termina reminded me a bit of Lawnmower Man's ending, hope you can make a video about it, or at least just watch it and see if you find any other paralels with other media. Also I truly believe that Demi-fiend's design from SMT Nocturne based A LOT on the VR Suits the main characters use on that movie. The director's cut is even available right here on YT to watch.
Heya Max ty for the content and while I have something to say a bit off topic but pertaining something you said in this video and I cannot help but feel compelled to share the following. Recently I went to a art exhibit with my new significant other looking to caterer to her interest and maybe find new interest myself even if harboring serious doubt. However I quickly spotted a 18th century painting of a woman that left me awe struck and in the months after i began to think about it and ponder my own potential and what my idea of a beautiful and expression would take shape and look like thus one day from nowhere i went and bought some paint and canvas and much to my amazement I'm really good ! Now I'm not one to toot .y own horn but I'm so utterly shocked at my ability which I had zero idea I was remotely capable of and when I heard the part pertaining things , talents etc emerging from our shadow we are not aware are present I began to wonder what else could be under the surface and to explore myself on a spirit journey so to speak where I'm learning who I am, not my name but my very being and soul and I wanted to take this opportunity to say thanks man I've been needing this push to this direction for some time and had no idea! Again sincerely thank you for sharing and speaking on the concept. I really wish you good fortune and health good sir your a good soul.
I cant even say 1 perkelee correctly so kudos to you
edit: shout out to your Aion series.
Carl Young, I wanna be forever Youuuuung.
Young young young.
Now try pronouncing Jung's name correctly.
Reminds me of the "Interface" series by umami on youtube. A corporation builds a machine, shared consciousness. Essentially a manmade afterlife
Dangit, after watching this video I now need a "Welcome to the club" sort of meme consisting of game devs who do their own thing depicting at least Hideo Kojima, Koji Igarashi and Yoko Taro all together welcoming Miiro in cause good grief I completely lost it laughing my ass off when I got to the brain bit. On a side note, would be really neat to see ya meet & chat with the fellas from The New Gods' podcast sometime too I think.
I think if anything Fear & Hunger 3 will have to do with some sort of battle between gods like Logic and Sulfur over the state that humanity-between free will and true paradise. As for how that would look, I have no idea 🤷
In every video this guy has "the most shocking discovery of my youtube career".
Basically both endings are canon.
I was craving more occult analysis in video games!
need some sleep was a good vid ill try and remember to rewatch the lain video
Yesssssssssss i love this gameee!!!!! Idk if you will do more but id sure love it
Gonna be honest your videos are very inspiring. I’m not surprised the creator of this game took your videos to heart I know I have in my own writing as well.
Oh you beatiful soul thank you for doing such work
almost didn't click because of the thumbnail and title but I'm glad I did, great video!
Hows it feel to know you helped inspire one of the most gnosis driven stories we've been blessed with to date? Congrats man. Your work potentially helped drive another down his path.
A universal connected consciousness would just be the internet afterlife version. I don't think you want that.
Great video max
holy shit! max derrat you should be proud of your work!!! inspiring people and games like this!!! ❤❤❤
Anything Jungian is always cool with me! I will say it reminds me of a techno version of the Buddhist Bodhisattva and Mahayana schism from Theravada. The former being putting off enlightenment and para enlightenment to save others, the latter being the theory that you can do both (in very, very layman's terms) Super cool!
I was not expecting that plot twist. That's pretty meta.
Out here using the Signalis OST in the video and thinking we wouldn't notice :P
Yes! Another fear and hunger video!
Great video!