Why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden? | GotQuestions.org
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- What was the purpose of the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden? In this video we answer your question: Why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden?
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Amen and now we have freedom in Christ and the choice to choose between sin and obedience daily
There are times when we may not recognise we are sinning and when we do realise it let's pray for the strength to turn from temptation and repent.
Amen!
Praise Almighty God for his plan of salvation, for guiding and teaching us, for blessing and loving us and for teaching us by His Holy Spirit .. Amen and Amen
JESUS is God.
Good to see you brother 🫡
Hallelujah to that!
Amen
Jesus is God the Father's Son.evenvin heaven before He was sent by His Father to die on the cross for our sins.
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That' s definitely NOT what the BIBLE shows or says❣️❣️❣️
Jesus, himself HAS a GOD, HIS FATHER, the ONLY TRUE and ALMIGHTY GOD!
❣️❣️JOHN 20: 17 💎📖💎❣️
(Jesus is the ONLY WAY to HIM , to his FATHER, GOD ❣️
- JOHN 14 : 6💎📖💎
Give praise to our lord Jesus Christ for we are all sinners and The Lord Jesus Christ can Liberate us from evil Amen ❤
Great teaching, thank you very much for sharing. May God Bless you, your loved ones, and everyone who hears this message. Maranatha!
Got Almighty has a plan way beyond our meager understanding and by His will and even our fall, He will ultimately be Glorified when evil is no more! Thanks to His Son Jesus Christ.
Praise God 🙌🙌🙌
The same freewill is for each and everyone of us now also : TO BELIEVE CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOUR OR NOT ..my prayers for the non believers to accept Christ Jesus and have their life saved from sin.
Thank you 🙏
Excellent episode
I am Christian, but am currently struggling with this story. The thing that's disconnecting me from this is Adam and Eve were tricked. Satan didn't go up to Eve and say 'hey, you should eat from that tree because I want you to.' Instead: “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Gen 3:4-5, NIV) She was lied to when she didn't have the knowledge to comprehend lying. If she doesn't know what evil and sin are, then she wouldn't understand that something could have the capacity to lie. Why is nudity, described as a sin here, forgivable because Adam and Eve didn't understand it, but getting tricked and lied to into eating this fruit while they're still innocent not?
I bring this up not to denounce the faith, but because I would genuinely like to be shown why my thinking is flawed. What am I missing? Why does this feel so wrong to me?
It's a paradox (mystery). If God created man and angels without freewill then there is no love, then with freewill man can reject God's laws and God Himself. Why? because He is God, and He says what is good and what is evil, and not us. Who tempted Lucifer to reject God? Did he tempted himself, freewill tempted him? Adam and Eve know what is good and what is evil or bad before they eat the fruit. The name 'Tree of knowledge of good and evil' is that they will see the effect of evil/sins after they break God's law. They were naked before, then after the sin they feel the effects, the shamefulness, nakedness. I guess only when they sinned, they can feel, see, taste thru the effect of sins, which might affect all things not just nakedness. Babies don't see or understand their shamefulness when they were naked until they grown up. Do thoughts come to us, or we think, and the thought/idea come about? There are thought that we don't want or not aware certainly come to mind. Are those evils thoughts from the devils or our memory or the bi products of memories that generated or from external stimuli? Adam and Eve knew what is good and evil before the serpent half lying to them, were they still tricked, or they have choices, and they choose to break the command? I think they are tempted but not tricked. "Tricked" seems to mean they have no choice, so they are not at fault, and not responsible or guilty of their action. Tree of knowledge of good and evil = moral principles. Eating the fruit of that tree = violate the moral principles (decide for ourselves what is good and evil, my way not your way, we still do that, eating that fruits, when we sinned)
Got Questions is consistently biblically on target.
So filled with magical stupid, and wrong about everything?? Yup thats correct.
@larryscarr3897 the fool in his heart. Smh
How did Adam and Eve sin when they didn’t even know what sin was until they ate?
"They exchanged the glory of the immortal God" for (something else), Romans 1:23, OR "they did not think it worthwhile to RETAIN the knowledge of God", Romans 1:28.
When you have something there is usually potential to lose it. But if you lose it, you usually have found something that you were willing to exchange for it. So everyone will someday stand before God with their own "pearl of great price" within their heart that could not be parted with at any cost.
God could have just not given them the choice to disobey him though right? They still would have been free to do whatever they wanted in the garden beside disobeying god
This is what Im battling with and the whole of genesis 😢 nobody seems to answer this question in a way which ‘clicks’ or makes sense for me.
The answers of how god didnt want us to be robots seems like such a cop out answer because if he would never have given the option of the tree we wouldnt even know there was that option. And theyre saying that because two people made a mistake billions of people are paying the price over thousands of years?
This is the ultimate question.
Amen. Bible truth.
If he knew they would eat from the tree why would he force them to make a choice from the very beginning? What you're basically saying is that god himself knew that evil and corruption would plague the world, and he didn't do anything to stop it. What kind of "god" does that make him? All this to say that human beings tend to sin? It all sounds like a beautifully designed pretext to pave the way for religions.
One good thing about Adam eating that fruit - the death penalty was laid on Satan too.
Amen GQ 🙂🙏✝️
The story of the tree is about man’s becoming fully conscious.His perfect souls has
The story is about man’s descent into matter as a perfect soul and his distortion of free will. This made man part of the duality of existence. Human beings have been trying to improve their souls ever since.
If god is all good why leave us with the choice of evil and sin and the first place foh
What is the cause of falling into sufferings? For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “The Wisdom of Cause and Effect in the Bible | I Am the way, the truth and the life 01”
If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
To look at your statement in one LIGHT I would quite agree but you the Human Being must devulge the Kowledge to others after you have prayed to God Almighty and asking His Holy Spirit and Angels to guide your speaking that the Devil does not try to cause a fuse shortage in the connection of the message!
God put the tree of good and evil; to give man a choice. God or mans desires. Humanity failed.
I am not satisfied with your answer, want more clarification, if God knows everything.🙏
Eating from the tree also opened their eyes to the knowledge Good as well. Prior to eating from the tree, it's unclear if the God mentioned, Adam, or Eve are actually "Good" or "Evil".
My question is: Why did the God mentioned NOT want them to be able to discern Good from evil? (Answer: Genesis 3:22?)
It is also important to note that what the snake told Eve was actually the truth and it seems the only reasons they would "surely die", is because the God actively prevented them from accessing the Tree of Life.
March 24, 2024 Edit: Consider this question: Is the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil just an exit out of ignorance?
Consider this option, why didn't Adam burn the tree ?
@@matium1528 Why do you keep asking why he didn’t burn the tree, do you have something against trees 🌳😂
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Can someone explain: before eating from the Three of Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adan and Eve must have not have the knowledge of right or wrong. So it seems that they must not have known that disobeying god is bad?
Adam and Eve knew the righteous things in which the Spirit of God Almighty had them clothed in to exist as perfect Man on Planet Earth but the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was revealing to them spiritually. the Science or knowledge which God Alm1ighty did not logically wanted them to know because God Almighty knew that it would corrupt their Perfect Soul! That knowledge of Good was deceptive and the Evil was downright bad
To understand the world you live in and your life you have to understand the book of Genesis and understand it fully....it is indeed a very important book
Before the fall they didn't know the difference between good and evil.
Everything was perfect.
Does that mean there was no sadness? If so, wouldn't that be like being a robot? They had free will to not be robots but they could feel no sadness so they where robots?
Jesus broke the charges against sin glory to God and one day soon it will all be over 👏👏👏👏❤️🙏🙏🙏
Also hardly a fair choice right?
The options they were given were obey me and live, or disobey me and die
Well if God is life itself (He’s literally eternal), and they make a choice apart from God, they’ve chosen the opposite of life- which is death. Makes sense when you think about it actually.
If they didn't know what good and evil were until eating from the tree, how would they have known it was wrong to eat from it in the first place?
God told them not to
@@coryburns9161 but how would they know that to eat was wrong?
@timbothegreat7767 how do you not understand my comment God gave them instructions on what to do
@@coryburns9161 i appreciate this is all made up anyway but there is a difference between 'knowing' something is wrong and 'being told' you shouldn't do something. if someone asks you to turn the volume down on the TV, you know that is what they want, but you won't necessarily know it is wrong not to do it.
@timbothegreat7767 God talked to Adam regularly all Adam would have to do is ask.
The Bible explains that God purposely made the Law as a mirror to show us that we all need His salvation and help. Also, in my opinion, He knew Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, have their eyes open, and be like God. Therefore, He just wanted Satan to think it was his idea, and that he had won Earth. He even let's Satan be the God of this planet until Jesus takes it back, After the Great Tribulation. So yes, it was all God's plan for us to be considered all equally sinful so that we All realize we need His salvation. That way people who don't love Him will not be saved. So instead of getting mad at His plan, appreciate the genius of His plan, and humble yourselves before it is too late. God usually lets the devil think he is winning as apart of His strategy, just like when Jesus died on the Cross. Satan thought he had won again, just like he did in the Garden. God's ultimate plan is for us to be saved and be CO HEIRS WITH JESUS!!!! Blessed with every heavenly blessing. How can we be CO HEIRS with God Himself, without knowing the difference between Good and Evil? How can we relate to Jesus without being partakers of His suffering? How can we empathize with God over how He has been treated, if we are never mistreated? How can we understand betrayal. if we have never been betrayed? How can we know what heartbreak is, if we have never loved and had a broken heart? God has the same feelings He created us with, He was the first to be betrayed and broken hearted. He was the first parent to watch His children walk away. One third of the angels followed after Satan and his lies, and God is making sure that doesnt happen again in the PERFECT future that He has planned for us in AWESOME detail. He doesn't care that you aren't perfect. He just wants people to be humble enough to admit it, apologize, and accept God the Son, Jesus/Yeshua, as your savior. He took responsibility by paying the price for our sins. He bought us back from the god of this Earth (Satan) at the price of His life. He didn't come as a king living is luxury. He humbled Himself. He didn't have a wife, family, career, or any of the things we hold dear. He didn't even really want to make friends. He was here to save us. He is willing to save anyone if they will just accept HIM. I know His plan seems strange to us as humans, but it was the best way to save as many people as possible while letting the devil thinks he's winning. I hope this makes sense and helps someone that is confused and looking for answers. All who call upon the Name of Jesus will be saved. Much Love Beth
Very good explanation Sis. Beth. God bless you ❤
Beautiful Beth!! Although I might have to debate you on God not wanting to be friends with us. The cross was his way of reconciling with us. It was his way of wanting to fix the separation and essentially be friendly or have relationship with us.
But I think you just meant he was willing to be rejected on our behalf due to our ignorance. Tell me your thoughts!
He is good and knows exactly what he's doing!! Even the things we don't understand. I know I can trust his character!
Standard party line answer. Ever considered asking God why instead of just repeating the same old thing we've been programmed to believe?
I would be interested in hearing any thoughts you have, even if they are currently only half-baked.
@deanfry879 Thank you for taking the time to respond, I appreciate that. I apologize if I sounded angry, it's just that I am seeing more and more that Christian culture is awash in party lines that many believe that the Spirit of Truth does not condone. This is one of them.
The knowledge of good and evil is a source of spiritual sustenance just as Christ is (John 6). Adam and Eve were partaking of Christ/God as their source of spiritual sustenance before they partook of the knowledge of good and evil. The disastrous results were, and are, evident.
It still applies today. Human beings can either partake of Jesus Christ as their source of life and strength and peace etc, or the knowledge of good and evil. And each has the same effect today as they did then.
Constant fighting and arguing over who is good and who is not in the church and outside of the church, on a personal level, on a cultural level, on a racial level, on a philosophical level, on a political level, on a denominational level, and on a national level is still causing spiritual death in people today, just as it did then. What's the alternative? Partaking of Christ, who unites us in love, which produces life.
When God tells us to either do something or not do something, He has VERY good reasons. It's the same as if I tell a child, "Don't eat too much sugar, or you'll have any number of health problems.
The SUBSTANCE of the disobedience was JUST AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM AS THE DISOBEDIENCE WAS.
So in order to gain the knowledge of good and evil, was to eat of the fruit aka disobeying.
so *before* disobeying, were there any knowledge of good or evil?
Not for humans; or at most, they knew eating from that one tree was evil. (see Romans 4:15; 7:8). The tree could just as well have been called the Tree of the Law, since it is by law we know good from evil. When we make up our own rules, we make thing much worse.
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. (Genesis 3:6, ESV)
Notice how it says Eve saw that it was good for food and a delight to the eyes. Obviously they were able to make judgements about whether things were good, prior to eating the fruit.
Furthermore, if Adam and Eve did not know that eating of the fruit would be sin (knowledge of evil), then how could God hold them accountable for choosing one way or the other? Rather than just a general sense of good and evil, the knowledge which Satan was referring to was the divine knowledge and wisdom that only God posesses. He was, in effect, trying to make them jealous of their creator (Satan said they would become like God.)
Here is an excerpt from The Bible Knowledge Commentary:
The results, of course, were anticlimactic. The promise of divine enlightenment did not come about. They both ate and saw, but they were spoiled by so doing. They were ill at ease with one another (mistrust and alienation) and they were ill at ease with God (fearful and hiding from Him). Satan’s promises never come true. Wisdom is never attained by disobeying God’s Word. Instead the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Prov. 1:7).
What burns me IS Adam and Eve had THE CHOICE! But WE DID NOT!
Yes you do. Everyday you have the choice to obey God
@@RaSheedapowerSeriously? Are you trolling or do you really don’t know what they are talking about?
Right and we all die because of Adam’s sin yet Jesus’s sacrifice you have to choose to believe in it or whatever… At least that’s what the average Christian church teaches…
Until they ate the fruit they had no knowledge of good and evil than how would they be able to differentiate what is good and what is evil before eating the fruit ?
They had free will, why didn't Adam burn the tree?
But sometimes it almost feels like God has been working WITH Satan. Like in this situation. In Job. Things like that. It almost feels like we are an experiment sometimes, to see which direction we’ll go in. Can anyone shed any light on this? I want to be a good Christian and I feel good about the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament but I struggle with the Old Testament. Sometimes God sounds cruel in those stories. I wanted to learn God’s word to better understand his voice but some of it has me questioning things. Any insight would be great.
Oh my gosh!!! I am exactly the same as you!! Struggling massively with these questions and the old testament which seems completely different to the new testament. Does not seem like the same god at all.
And it definitely feels like an experiment or test to me as well. I wish somebody could answer my questions with something that satisfies me but all Im left with is the same story over and over. No other perspective.
Like yourself I really want to be a believer and a good christian but how can I be if Im not satisfied in my heart with the story Im given? Its an internal battle😢
Sounds like you’re both on the path to atheism. There’s no straighter path toward atheism than simply reading the bible.
Put this story in with today's society
And…what’s ur point
But if they didn't know good and evil, how could they discern and make the right choice?
Also another point they can’t answer. God being the supreme being knowing the past,present and future. Failed to brief Eve that lucifer was in the garden and will try and tempt her to disobey.
You may want to stay away?? 😅😅😅
@@loudman12 And it’s not clear whether the snake was the devil or not. It’s not stated in the story.
I am looking into this question.
It puzzles me what it says on 0:51, it contradicts itself. You are saying the had the right to choose between good or evil, but how could they choose if they didn't know good and evil until they ate from the tree.
I think of the fire analogy. You won't know until you touch it for yourself. You may have been told to not touch it for it is hot, but in going against the precaution you find out.
I hope this helps. I'm going through a similar journey in finding answers on questions that plague me 😊.
@@chwig7354No Eva is right, it’s a clear contradiction.
Me personal feel our existence and all we go through is a competition between GODS who can win the most souls! By any means necessary
Manipulation
Lies
Love bombs
Gaslighting
Disvalue
Discard
All has and is being done to use to win us over to their belief which is a side.
But why did God creat human beings with tendencies to sin?. With what you said about the "tendencies to sin" AFTER adam and eve have eaten the fruit made me think that people even before eating the fruit already had tendencies to sin.😢
The "fruit" was from the fig three. Think male testicles dangling from the tree.
God told only Adam not to eat the fruit. Adam has spoken to Eve... the snake therefore goes with Eve. After eating, when God punishes Adam, he specifically tells Adam that I say no to you. Eve's words are also more common in the context of snake..
Were Adam and Eve incapable of sin before eating the fruit?
Honest question with genuinely no malicious intent here for clarification… where do we go with the fact that God had positioned man not to sin, we can make an assumption that this would be the better alternative? If so, there would have been no need for Jesus to come and save us from sin if man avoided this from the beginning and followed Gods commandment forever until all generations passed. In that case a completely obedient race, would this be how heaven is intended to be? If so, why not just skip that whole experience on earth and go straight to harmony with God in heaven, if that isn’t possible why not? Is it because man can’t be trusted to make the right choices and would be cast out of heaven. Does man even have choice in heaven?
I appreciate all thoughts.
I came looking for answers to this question and it still doesnt answer the WHY for me. But why did he do put it there as an option knowing they could potentially eat from it and we would have to go thousands of years of suffering.
Like you said, surely if God didnt even bother putting it there then the rest of the story wouldnt need to happen.
The reason of ‘to make them not robots - to give them free will’ sounds like a cop out to me. What we never knew we would never have the capability to do.
So two people failed a test and now billions of us pay for it?
I really want to believe and Im trying so hard but I have so many unanswered questions.
And I see nobody responded to yours either😢
@heidii1 without the choice to disobey there is no real obedience. Without a punishment there is no mercy. Without mercy there is no sacrifice and without sacrifice there is no love. To be in the presence of God is to be in the presence of the holy things too, so there must have stood the tree as well.
@@What-he5pr why bother testing us in the first place though? If God is all seeing and all hearing for sure knew the outcome. The thousands of years of suffering from two peoples must mistake could’ve been avoided if he just didn’t have the option of a test. It doesn’t sit right with me, but I wish it did
@heidii1 he may know the outcome, but we don't. Another reason for the mercy. This is all a consequence of the type of free will we have. It's only scary if you don't think Jesus already freed us of sin by grace alone. In actuality, there is no punishment awaiting us. Beyond that is a mystery.
@@What-he5prWhy didn’t Jesus immediately save Adam and Eve and thus humanity. What was the point in waiting so long.
God knew what their choice would be as He is omniscient. Therefore He knew that ultimately He would have to send His Son to the cross. Why then would he still go ahead and create man knowing he would stray and his heart would be evil?
PROVERBS 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.🕊
God is responsible for the *FACT* of free-will,
humans are responsible for their *ACTS* of free-will.
@@zxx5 Yes totally agree but that's not an answer to my question
In order to put His attributes on display and bring Himself glory through redeeming those who would believe (although He brings Himself glory through the just punishment of the wicked too)
Why didn't God make them smart enough to not get tricked into eating the apple?
As I said on another video. I don't know why people think that if, Adam and Eve didn't ate the fruit, then this world would still be perfect. Do you really think that after a while, God is gonna remove the tree? Do you really think he, will not test them again and again until they fail? Of course he will. He doesn't want robots, who obey every single thing he says. He wants to give them free will and some of them will fail.
So you believe in the New Jerusalem (MOUNT ZION) where only the Glory of Jesus Christ will be the light of the WORLD that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil will still exist?
When you have examinations for the academics like GCE or LCC or the CXC that the TEST PAPERS remain for you to be continually tested on?
Jesus Christ died, so we should live
Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife
Isn't sin disobeying God? So eating the fruit didn't bring sin into the world, it was already here?
The fruit was more than a fruit.
If I put a deadly poisonous tree in a school playground, I'd justifiably be sent to jail.
It still doesn't answer the question why god created the tree.. would you put you childen in front of harmful objects nearby... Nooo right... if god is rational and good why give us free will in a tempting situation???
Nobody can seem to answer these questions in the comments, which leaves me confused and not satisfied.😢
@@heidii1first verse say "into the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", in the heavens before humans was where Lucifa was kicked out, God wanted to be just with him and prove that even humans can be obedient, so he placed a tree as a test.
@@dubazanasandile5613 why a test though? Why test us??! When he had the option not to? Why send us through thousands of years of suffering from 2 peoples mistake?
The question was answered though. Think of the tree symbollicly. God wanted to give humans free will. As a parent you can't protect your children from everything, but you want to give them the freedom to do as they please. This means some of their decisions may harm them, or those around them. You said you wouldn't put dangerous things near your children, but this simply isn't true. Fire is dangerous, but we need it to stay warm and cook food. Bodies of water can be dangerous, but we need water to live. There are plants and fungi that are harmful to us but not other organism. Like I said we can't protect our children from everything, but we can teach them about danger. It's up to them to obey us. God never tempted Adam and Eve, he only warned them.
@@Thaijler God put the tree there knowing what would happen. It’s his fault. Adam and Eve didn’t understand the full consequences, God didn’t fully inform them. How can a mere act of disobedience warrant such a dire eternal punishment. It’s evil. God is evil.
Cool. . . I feel freer. . . And I feel forgiven. Sincerely, this is the best night if my Life, and The First Day Of The Rest Of My Life, In Jesus Name.
I'm sorry if I keep eating it. . or if what I am eating *is* it. . But for what it's worth. . . I always feel closer to You, Lord, when I eat it. . And I Do Love You. Truly, I Do. For Every Other Choice Of Disobedience, I Am Sorry. I Cannot Promise To Stop My Personal Sin. . . For That, I Forever Remorse.
For Every Choice Of Disobedience. . . It Is Not Out Of Hate For You. . . It Is Merely Curiousity. . . I Am But A Child. . . Your Child. .
For All Of My Disobedience. . .
One Choice I Never Regret. . .
My Choice To Love You, O' Lord.
I Believe that My Faith In You *is* Compensated By Your Faith In Me And My Overall Demeanor And Love For Others, In Reflection Of My Understanding Of Your Love, Lord Jesus Christ And God Almighty.
For everybody that said God allows all this evilness in the world, Adam and Eves choice to eat from the fruit causes this destruction and turmoil
Except they didn’t fully understand the consequences. God LIED and said they would surely die. If he was speaking figuratively, like a spiritual death, then that was really sh!tty of him. As a supposedly loving father it was his responsibility to make sure they FULLY UNDERSTOOD the TRUE and FULL consequences of disobedience. 100% God’s fault. 100%. It’s amazing so many Christians can’t see that. The story makes no sense.
Since Adam we are now gods, we are responsible for our actions without protection, and it proved having the letter of the law causes temptation to break it.
Hello folks I must stop you in your tracks..............We have not become gods yet otherwise we HUMANS would have known after two thousand years the secrets of how to build the Great Pyrimids and all the other giant structures of this earth!...and even on Mars as well as on Alpha Centuri!!! By now you would know what is the meaning of the Crop Circles and we by now would have been able to create Mankind and other kinds of beings in our own image!!! Come now how can you say that since Adam we are now gods? Of course God Almighty does not have anything really to do with the Politics of Nations of the Earth, only Mankind does but God Almighty has his Angels in Earth's domain to control so that Man does not go so far out of line to cause the Third World War!
If God knew beforehand of everything that was going to happen, why wouldn’t he start all over again and wait until he saw a perfect world where Adam and Eve wouldn’t eat that fruit?
bc all men would fall, no waiting needed...
He fix that; by sending Himself as Christ (human) and sacrifice Himself for us.
all we have to do is believe in that and His word (Holy Bible).
If God foreknew Adam’s sin and all that would result from this, it would mean that by creating Adam, God deliberately set in motion all the wickedness committed in human history. He would be the source of all the wars, crime, and death.
So he didn’t know what was going to happen; he wanted Adam and Eve to live forever in Paradise.
Maybe, just like with Job, there was some sort of bet between God and Satan. Adam became subject to the death penalty because of his snack, but so did Satan for tempting him.
I agree on most of what the responder has said but some lines bring my response further. First of all GOD ALMIGHTY is not JESUS CHRIST!
@@user-lk2bz1oq2u Whichever side of that is wrong is insulting the Lord. May the Lord grant mercy.
Did god want sin to exist ? Yes , he put all the ingredients in to make sure it did.
God: "I'm going to place two curious intellgent beings in a situation which forces them to be incessantly exposed and tempted then expect that this doesn't, by it's very design, create a scenario with an inevitable outcome. Then I'm going to tell them it's their fault that they failed my impossible loyalty test, which I already knew they're going to fail. This is not a setup and I'm not a manipulative asshole."
Nevermind that they couldn't have understood how disobedience to Asshole, erm, "God's" command was wrong if they didn't yet have any knowledge if good and evil, before eating the fruit.
Meanwhile, God himself is immune to everything and vulnerable to nothing, unlike how he manipulated Adam and Eve.
No, that stupid argument about how God is also Jesus and Jesus had to face temptation, therefore God faced temptation doesn't work because, if Jesus didn't face such strong temptation that it was impossible to live an entire life without committing a sin, like it is for everyone else, then it wasn't as difficult for Jesus as it is for everyone else.
If Jesus was born without a sin nature, then he didn't have the disadvantage everyone else has. It's not the same. It's very manipulative.
Trying to play it up by arguing that Jesus had to face temptation more difficult than anyone else only goes to show how much less vulnerable he was to sin than everyone else. That's like the ciach telling the disabled kid about how the star athlete was able to jump a higher hurdle than they were.
Yup, Christian beliefs make no sense, they shut their eyes and cover their ears to these things.
God gave Adam and eve the choice to ether obey or disobey and they both chose to disobey what they were told not to do .
That is called using their FREE WILL .
So? That deserves dire eternal consequences?? God can’t forgive his naive children who are clueless compared to him??
@@Ragnar-Lothbrok967 Any excuse is better than no excuse and that can be applied to the God that supposedly Created his first Flaw called Adam .
Your God created a man without a mate and didn't apply the same common sense ( knowledge ) when Nature was created , Adam finally realized that he was all alone after he sat his Naked Ass on a fallen tree and saw and heard the life that surrounded him , he saw that the life of nature was able to reproduce and he could not .
Cluelessness started with the God you believe in and the only reason why human beings have Free Will is that Nature is Governed by Instinct and people have Free Will .
As Adam and Eve did eat the fruit, they and we became as gods, and gods are allowed to make judgement and in need of instruction.
The way I see it, God created a universe where sin and evil can exist. He created animals, which cannot sin, and angels, which can sin and cannot repent, and man, who can sin and can also repent.
Since God wants His universe to be free of sin, He allowed those creatures that _can_ the opportunity to do so.
He also came down and gave us the individual remedy, Salvation, so our role in this plan doesn't cost us as much as it does the angels, unless we insist upon paying.
By the end, God will have allowed man and angel to work together to sort of distill out all the evil into one concentrated pile right out in the open, and then He will destroy it.
I think that's more or less why God put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden.
Also, people always complain about how we know evil now, and it's so bad, and darn that Adam, and so on, but they forget the tree also provides knowledge of _good._ What would life be without knowing good?
What will be life without knowing good?
It would be a life of innocence, a life like a child, a life pleasing to God. Because a child only depend and trust his Father's love and goodness.
This was the life that Satan destroyed, he destroyed the innocence of Eve, and tempted Adam to willingly disobey the Father's command.
God put the Tree of Life too, why? For Adam and Eve to reach theosis. But Adam failed. And so, God had to send the Logos.
Theosis: "God became man so that man shall become gods." - Athanasius
But what if Adam and Eve had not fall, will God still send Jesus?
The Church Fathers saw Adam fall as "happy fault", why? It allows God to show His infinite mercy by sending Jesus as Redeemer. But we know that Adam had fallen, right?
And so, the Subtle Doctor Bl.Dun Scotus teaches the Primacy of Jesus. That even if Adam did not fall, God will still send Jesus, but not as Redeemer but a King.
Bottomline, the most important question in the whole universe, including the Heavenly realm is this,
"What moved God in eternity, existing in infinite majesty and glory, to create the Beginning, the Heavens and the Earth?
Answer: God in eternity started to entertain a divine thought...
"What if I become a creature?"
And God saw Himself like a liitle child, in the image of Jesus Christ, the King.of Kings.
And the next divine thought, is a Woman, that would become a Mother, a Sovereign Queen.
In eternity God saw Himself like a little and a helpless child carried in the arms of a loving Mother. And this image, the Madonna, gave deepest joy to God's heart.
And so, God birthed or qanah a "Wisdom"/Proverbs8:22 how to realize his dream in eternity, the Madonna.
The God of Love begin to desire, begin to dream in eternity That's Mary is higher than all the angels combined, because She existed in the heart of God in eternity, before the angels was created, and Lucifer got humiliated after knowing the highest dignity of the chosen Woman.
The God of Love desires to be loved by a chosen Woman, that would become His beloved daughter, beloved Mother and beloved Spouse.
Mary is the loved of God in eternity, the reason why God created the Beginning, the Heavens and the Earth.
"The Virgin is the Beginning."- Picarreta
The God of Love created everything out of love. But love begins with a dream.
What is God's dream in eternity?
To experience the love of a daughter, Mother and Spouse.
Mary the chosen Woman became the..
beloved daughter of the Father
beloved Mother of the Son
and beloved Spouse of the Holy Spirit.
Mary became the beloved of the Most Holy Trinity, and the dream of God has been fulfilled. And so, God crowned Mary, after She was assumed into Heaven, the Sovereign Queen of Heaven and Earth.
Ave!
@@jongricafort4
At first I thought you were going to lecture me with some elementary theology, but you soon proved me wrong.
By putting words in God's mouth, by adoring a queen of Heaven, and so on from there, you preached a false gospel.
You therefore are declared anathema by the Scriptures, and you mut repent of that paganism.
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan Genesis3:15 abd Revelation12:1 wont agree with your empty anathema.
Even Jesus Himself wont agree with your empty anathema, in John2:4 and the agonizing Christ at the Foot of the Cross.-John19:26-27
Behold the lowly handmaid, the chosen Woman, my beloved Mother, crowned by the Most Holy Trinity as Sovereign Queen of Heaven and Earth, that all angels must bow down like St.Gabriel had shown in the gospel of Luke.
From lowly handmaid, the chosen Woman was crowned with twelve stars with the moon under Her feet, the feet that will crush the ugly proud head of Satan.
Ave!
@@jongricafort4
There is no queen of Heaven.
God never tells us what He was up to before He created the universe.
In James 1:18, He tells us we were born to be a kind of firstfruits of all His creation.
We are the pinnacle, not a woman.
Wherever you get these ideas from, you need to check them against Scripture.
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan False gospel?
What does the gospel teaches?
Obedience to God's Will, right?
Did Mary obeys God's Will?
Yes! Fiat.
What is salvation according to the gospel of Christ?
Answer: The blood of Jesus that saves us came from the three drops of blood, taken from Mary's Immaculate Heart.
The gospel that Jesus preaches, invite all men to follow Him and embrace the Way of the Cross.
Did Mary follow Jesus and embrace the Way of the Cross?
Yes! Mary is the perfect disciple of Christ, who not only followed Jesus but more so, accompanied Him from womb to tomb.
And Mary not just embraced the Way of the Cross..Mary is the Tree of Life and the Cross of Christ.
"We adore you O'Christ and we praise you, because by your Holy Mother/Holy Cross you had redeemed the world."
"Wisdom is the Cross and the Cross is Wisdom."- St.Montfort
Mary is the Cross and Mary ia Wisdom, the Seat of Wisdom.
Ave!
Why did they do the original sin if they didn't have the sin nature beforehand?
Exactly, they were made with a sinful nature and the one who made them punished them for it.
Seriously? That's the explanation? A omni-knowing divine being decides to make something in his image (which right there alone says something about the imperfections of god) turns a blind eye and gives his creations a choice which God already knows is going to turn out bad (unless now your gonna try to tell me that god just ignores that outcome) just to see what choice they would make? That doesn't seem like a loving god who puts a lot of thought into his work (laws of physics, creation of the universe, microbiology etc) just to give a choice and see what he already knows is gonna happen.. This sound like the work of a cruel, mean minded being. And if you are going to use the scriptures as a way to explain this then take a good look at creation days. He screws that up too. Genesis chapter 1 says (gods own divine word here ) that on the first day of creation he separates the dark from the light calls the light day and the dark night a first day. I'm, hmmm....BUT on the fourth day of creation god finally makes the su. And the moon and the stars ....how do you have night and day without the sun??? There is no mention of any other light. Just the empty heavens and the earth. And that's what the Bible says so please don't try to make up some answer that's not there.
Still doesn’t sound like true free will means you can do what you please not if you do this you will be punished sounds like forcing someone to believe a certain way on a ideology one can’t possibly understand without the knowledge of the tree in the first place
there's no such thing as "free will"
So God put a dangerous and attractive temptation in the midst of the innocent?
I as a good parent wouldn't put alcohol or cocaine out in the living room for my teenagers to "choose" or not.....let alone my house.
Is their not more to why God placed the tree in the garden?
Surely their is more to it than, a freewill choice issue.
How can you talk about the concept of fruit just being fruit, but think that if we didn't have a choice we'd just be robots.
Your fruit concept is sound, so is the disobedience concept. The concept of us just being robots is off-putting to people as that is just simply not true.
Many non-christian people do good things. We are created and wired to draw toward doing good. It sets off dopamine chemicals in our brains. Tugs the soul's strings. All wired in God's perfection.
However, God also wired us to be capable of 'EVIL', why? Why? Again . . . Why? In a way, our fall is due to the way we were created.
This also begs the question, 'Why was God absent when the Serpent intervened?' Being all knowing, you can only assume God knew when, where and why humanity would fall.
He loves us dearly, but where was our protection?
The equivalent in today's world would be God allowing a sketchy Van into a child's playground with 'FREE CANDY' written on the side. It's wired into the child (via the tongue) to love sweets/candy. Its up to the Guardian to protect, educate, protest against stumbling blocks in life. Any parent would call the Police, confront the Van, or at the very least, educate the child. Not with "You'll surely die". An actual run down of the in's and out's of why not to draw near the Van. But God just kind of watches the little children be scooped into the Van. Then he waltzes over slides the side open, gives everyone a tongue-lashing and eternal damnation, and then slides the door back closed to allow the Van to take the children.
Wouldn't it be nice if Adam, Eve and God all sat around a camp fire over a week while God told them stories of what would happen if they were to eat the fruit.
Which scenario seems more loving?
God forces the choice on us? However, I think CHOICE along with TRUE FREE WILL would be fitting if we had complete understanding and then have the choice. We had non of that.
Why does this feel like a game jn which God plays 'Hero' in Jesus' death?
Its sad. I'm deeply saddened.
so if i murder a whole family for my own plesure then repent God will fully Forgive Me and im free of sins consequences? Just trying to understand
You can't measure god with your brain. He created us with free will ,he also knows what will happen and there's no contradiction between these two.
First you say you can’t measure God with your brain and then immediately go on to say things about God and what he knows (using your own brain). Way to go, you win the internet.
You have not answered the question.
to set a trap for angels who were messing up heaven
The tree of knowledge of good and evil has a purpose otherwise God would not have created it in the first place. Have you stopped to consider why the serpent is inside the garden that God had created? It is getting clear that God has given adam and eve free will from the very beginning and what if they choose to do what God has not told them to do? Why bother to create free will if it causes problems? God knew all the possibilities and knew that even if adam and eve choose to disobey him, He can still save them and all of us humans.
Ok look. If God gave man the ability TO rebel, TO do the opposite of good, where does THAT come from?
No one can answer that question.
God is not the author of evil BUT man can choose the opposite of good?
If Adam and Eve were NOT born into sin, they HAD no sin in them.
Where did that desire come from?
HOW did they sin?
WHO made sin?
Sproul couldn't even answer that question.
Anyone want to give it a try?
God is the author of both good and evil. They come as a pair of opposites, so the creation of one automatically necessitates the creation of the other as a byproduct. It should be noted in the scriptures that it said light was created, not darkness for darkness already existed and the Hebrew word used for darkness there is chosek and speaks of spiritual darkness, not the absence of a luminary object.
Adam and Eve did not sin. Adam sinned for the commandment to not eat of the tree was given to him and him alone. According to the scriptures, Eve ate for two reasons: it was pleasing to her senses, and she desired wisdom. There can be no wisdom without knowledge because wisdom is the appropriate application of knowledge.
This notion that sin started with the fall of man has holes in it. Man was never intended to live forever temporally for if he were, there would never have been the need for the creation of time by way of day and night. Furthermore Satan being in the garden proves that sin was already present before the eating of the fruit ever occurred.
The sin is plainly laid out in Genesis 3:17: And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake.
Adam chose to listen to Eve instead of God which is why Adam was cast out of the Garden. Eve left not because she had sinned and was cast but because a woman must leave her father and cling to her husband as one flesh. Eve understood her assignment as a helper and thus went about her duty to gain wisdom. Adam did not understand his assignment because he was to have dominion over all and was unable to do that by giving in to Eve's request to partake of the fruit. Adam should've refused the fruit when offered and presented the matter to God when He returned.
@@lcarp545 If sin already existed PRIOR to Eve sinning, where did it come from? God cannot create sin. Secondly, Eve was perfect so for her to have desire APART FROM GOD, still does not answer HOW AND FROM WHOM sin came.
I see what you are saying, it just does not make sense to me. I appreciate your reply!
@@ter8330Hello. Thank you for your comment. I hope this explanation will shed some light. So let's begin shall we!
Good created free will. Sin is a byproduct of that thus He created sin. Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these thing.
Being good like being disobedient is a choice, not an exclusivity. You assume that because God is good that He is not capable of evil. It is the refusal to do evil that makes one good. Evil is what gives good its virtue just like death gives meaning to life.
There is a duality to this world. Things exist both temporally and spiritually. Furthermore, things manifest themselves spiritually before they ever manifest themselves temporally. The Adversary was in the Garden to tempt Eve. How did he get there if sin hadn't occurred until the Fall. Revelation 13:7-9 sheds light on this
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The Savior's Atonement was completed before the world was ever formed and not some 2000 years ago. Why because there was a need for it before Adam was ever placed in the Garden because sin already existed thus the need for atoning sacrifice already existed.
We view time in a linear fashion because of our temporalness not understanding that time is a construct of this realm. Most people confuse eternity with infinity. They think eternal life means they will live on forever like an infinite measure of time. Eternity is outside the realm of time, thus everything occurs in an instant. It is why God is the Alpha and the Omega and it is why He is omniscient without infringing on your free will. All is known because it is laid before Him in is entirely.
Eve didn't sin. You have to pay attention to the order of the scriptures.
Genesis 1: 26-27 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Man here regrets to mankind which is why he refers to them as they... both male and female. Notice in bets 28 & 29 what mankind is told:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Notice that Adam and Eve are equals as mankind had been given dominion over the earth. Also note in verse 29 that mankind is told that all trees are to be used as meat. So the instruction Eve heard was that all trees were for consumption. Now go to Genesis 2:16'17
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Notice it states the man which is referring to Adam only and not mankind. How can we be sure of this? Because Eve isn't talked about until verses 21-24 well after the commandment to not eat of the tree was given.
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
That doesn't make sense right.... but it does if you understudy that one chapter is talking about the spiritual creation and the other is talking about the temporal creation. Things must exist spiritually before they do temporally. How else could the Christ be there at creation and not yet be born? Eve never received the temporal instruction to not eat from God, she received it from Adam, her equal.
Genesis 3:16 is where the female is made subordinate to the make
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Further evidence that Eve did not sin comes in the next verse
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Notice God directed his displeasure at Adam because as stated He commanded thee... not them. So why did Eve eat of the fruit? Because she was commanded to be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth as well as to have dominion over it. How could she possibly do that without knowledge or wisdom? She did what she was commanded to do, he did not.
One of the issues that comes with taking the Bible out of its Hebrew context is that certain subtleties are missed do to the lack of understanding their language and culture. The Torah.... more accurately the Pentatuch... would have been recited and passed down orally. Adam in Hebrew means dirt, soil, earth. So what you have in the Garden is man... not mankind... in his entirety.
Adam who was created temporally from soil, became spiritually soiled and as a punishment, was returned to the soil. Eve is spiritually soiled not because she sinned against God but because he did and she is a byproduct of him. They are one flesh, therefore if he is returned to soil there too she must also go.
I am very aware that was a lot. I hoped it made some sense and answered some questions. If not hit me be back and we can discuss more. The key is not to rely on what you've been taught but to read and see the scriptures as they are before you. The Bible is a Hebrew document, not a Christian one. You have to make a strong effort to not project your Christian ideals onto the scriptures. Doing so will cause you to miss plain truths that are in front of you. Jesus was born and died a Jew. The Bible is 90% written by Hebrews. Even Paul, the emissary to the gentiles was a Pharisees from the Tribe of Benjamin. Christianity as you know it doesn't even exist until well after the New Testament has taken place. See things from a fresh perspective and enjoy the ride. You will be amazed at what you uncover.😀
@@lcarp545What if adam didn't eat the forbidden fruit that means they won't die but eve has the knowledge of good and evil and adam doesn't know how to understand eve
What if eve didn't eat the forbidden fruit then they didn't die and ate the tree of life then they only knew how to multiply babies maybe with the trillion population of the world hahaha
Not convinced by this argument. Seems like this reasoning is from man and not from God.Will you leave a loaded gun around and tell your 9 yr old child with FREE WILL not to use that gun?
I dont know,god can give adam and eve feee will without the tree of knowledge
Seems we’ve been set up for failure
But do Calvinists believe in free people?
Free people? Nah. 2 for $1 though yes
How pride came to lucifer
Lucifer isn’t actually mentioned in the story. It is just assumed the snake is the devil.
Jesus is God in the flesh
CAN YOU CHOP THE TREE OF KNOWLEGE
You can but you need a magic axe. 🪓
They were not literal trees. As in many cases in the Bible, there are many things that are symbolic. The Tree of Life symbolized PERFECTED Adam. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil symbolized PERFECTED EVE. Because they fell before they reach perfected, the symbolized trees were protected until God could finally send the messiah who represented in reality PERFECTED Adam. That is why Jesus is known as the 2nd Adam.
A very Arminian interpretation of the Genesis 3 account.
God created all and everything for His glory, and to display His magnificence to us human beings it was necessary for Him to be our atoning sacrifice in Christ. Therefore it was necessary for humanity to fall in sin, which God enabled through the serpent and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
God knew Adam and Eve would sin: which is why God put the tree in the garden.
Nah, the apple was a psychedelic mushroom
The Most High didn't plant that tree, Satan did. How do I know that? Read the book of Jasher!
Shalom
So what, God permitted it so he’s equally as culpable.
We are all victims of adam and eve. But the biggest victim is Jesus Christ who willingly made payment for our sins. Jesus said: "The first will be last, and the last will be first." I believe adam and eve who were created first will be the least and last in Heaven. Jesus who is the 2nd adam will be the first in Heaven.
Matthew 20:16 “So those who are last now will be first then, and those who are first will be last.”
In response to this statement I will simply say that Adam and Eve will never be first or last because they lost their RIGHT to even live forever when the flaning sword was placed spinning before the TREE OF LIFE! The first couple or I should say that the first three perfect beings in the Garden of Eden will never go to Heaven nor see the Holy City of God Almighty (NEW JERUSALEM)!
To explain further Adam, Eve, nor Lilith will ever go to HEAVEN or be on the New Perfect Earth!!!
God did not force them to make a choice. That's nothing more than a wild guess based on the erroneous assumption that there was an agenda with God. God did not create Adam and Eve in some type of neutral vacuum of choice. God never created the angels that way either. God created Adam and Eve with purpose, direction, and everlasting life which was the fullness of God's agenda in creation. The tree of knowledge of good and evil had nothing to do with random disobedience. It established a moral conscience against the sin of Lucifer which was to experience yourself as God. God was protecting Adam and Eve from this pre-existing possibly for all created beings. God was not presenting Adam and Eve with a choice. He was protecting them from something all beings are capable of doing which is to forget that you are created and live within a created order. Trying to claim that this was random "disobedience' is a cheap and ignorant way of explaining this issue... without looking at the actual virtues and morals of the issue.
God DID NOT create or plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden. Genesis 2:9 says that the trees God planted in the Garden were pleasant to the sight AND good for food. The "tree" of knowledge was NOT good for food.
Half answers, as are here offered, are NOT TRUE ANSWERS! __ "...the Tree of Life was also in the MIDST (middle) of the garden." So WE (in Adam and Eve) were
given an option to eat of the Tree of Life, or the fruit of the tree of good and evil. __ Adam and Eve were given life, and they EXPERIENCED life; not understanding
that the Tree of Life offered ETERNAL life and that the fruit of the tree of good and evil was an END to Eternal life! But what was "good an evil"? they could not
understand. __ Eve, instead of listening to the man, listened to the voice of the serpent: was seduced by that voice and succumbed to sin. She then seduced her
mate to eat of the forbidden fruit even as she had eaten! __ But instead of punishment, God PROTECTED Adam and Eve by taking them out of the Garden, "...lest
they eat of the Tree of Life and sin, and live forever (in sin)." __ "ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God." So instead of receiving the just punishment
for our sins, the Lord God has AGAIN protected us: by FORGIVING us; REDEEMING us; and has given us to partake of the Tree of Life through Christ Jesus! __ Or
have you not heard? Have you not believed? "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of sins, and you SHALL
RECEIVE the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the PROMISE is unto you, and to your children, to all who are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." __ Every
apostle and prophet from Romans to Jude AGREE with those words: and every prophet in the OT also agree with those words; MERGING (Old and New) in the book
of Acts, chapters 2:36-41; 8:14-17; 10:44-48; and 19:1-7. __ BELIEVE and OBEY the "Gospel That Saves". ____ Brother Villa.
Anyone not from the Christian Race is from the Tree of good and evil.
Yahweh (YHVH) the creator God, who's name was removed 7,500 times from the Bible.
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Praise Yahweh, our creator, our savior, and through the flesh as Christ our kinsman redeemer.
I converted to Jehovah's Witnesses
To give Adam and Eve the opportunity to choose Jesus over Satan.But obviously they failed.the teat.
Annapaula,why did you send me a message that should have gone to the confused person that said Jesus is God.I am completely aware that Jesus is God's Son not God the Father.Anfcitsctrur in Rev.Jesus says My God and your God,several times not to mention the hundred different timesJrsus prays to His Father,and is introduced as God's Son all through the new yestimate.
Annapaula,unless your referring to Jesus being in the garden of Eden? It had to be Him,the Father knows everything and wouldn't have asked,them,if they ate from the tree of knowledge.Nothing or nobody could have entered the garden without the Father being fully aware of it.Jesus has been God's Son since the beginning,there's no reason to believe that He had relationship with Adam and Eve.
Annapaula,sorry type o there's no reason to believe that Jesus didn't have a loving relationship with those He contributed to their creation.
funny that God who invented freedom is accused of being a tyrant.
He can invent freedom and still be a tyrant who takes away that freedom.
Makes claims that are not backed up by scripture or other and state them as fact, I do not like such bold interpretations, why wasn't the fruit special? why couldnt it have been symbolic? i,e, as in the book of Enoch Fallen angels procreating with humans?
Any conflicts there will be 2 side of the story the one you are been told and you are explaining is Devil's side of the story😊
Devil is telling humans I did sin so I am kicked out of heaven, you humans did sin so your kicked out of Eden garden.
If God Jesus doesn't want Adam and Eve to eat any of the fruits he might have not kept them in the Eden Garden.
Please ask our living God Jesus, he will tell his side of the story.
Note: Adam and Eve didn't sin, the first sinner was Cain.
The explanation is poor and it makes God seem like a tyrant.
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It makes it seems like God forced Adam and Eve to make a choice of disobedience by using satan.
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This video doesn't add up though this channel makes one of the best explanatory videos but not this one
How does this video make it seem like God forced Adam and Eve to do anything when it clearly states several times that it was about the choice of their own free will?
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil symbolizes the "womb of Eve"", and her fruit was Cain.
The Treeof Life symbolizes the womb of Mary, and Her fruit was Jesus.
St.Gabriel and Lucifer were both a cherub, from the choir of Cherubim.
Satan/fallen Lucifer greeted Eve and said, "You are chosen by God to bear the "Wisdom of God", and Eve asked, how can it be?
Satan answered, by sexual procreation...
And Satan indwelling the serpent who originally have arms and legs and organ, tried to caress Eve, and eventually defiled the sacred womb of Eve.
And then, later on, Eve having infected with the malice of Satan, because Satan had "touched" her virginity...
Adam seeing Eve in a fallen state, out of love for Eve, was also tempted to commit the "sexual sins".
Proof?
Look at the punishment given by God to Eve, its about having pangs when giving birth. And to Adam, since he indulge in pleasure of the flesh, have to sweat his brow, and this is no longer pleasurable to flesh.
Satan breathed his malice or touch the womb of Eve that defiled his virginity, while Adam had fallen into sexual lust thinking they can bear a fruit, the Wisdom of God. But this is Satan deceptions on Eve.
Mary the New Eve, was also greetes by a cherub, and said, She is the chosen one to bear the Wisdom of God or the incarnated Logos.
"Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus."
Again, the womb of Eve symbolizes the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and her fruit was Cain, that John8:44 attributed to Satan, bcoz Cain became a murderer like Satan.
While Mary the New Eve, Her womb symbolizes the Treeof Life, and Her fruit was Jesus the Author of Life.
Adam and Eve committed the forbidden "sexual procreation" right in the garden of Eden, a Temple of God.
Thats why the punishment written in Genesis3:16-ff is about pain of giving birth and hard labor for Adam, because he indulge in pleasures of the flesh.
This profound mystery is only for matured Christian, and not for baby christian.
Ave!
@@jongricafort4 That’s a pretty hefty dose of eisegetical interpretation there my friend
No like Adam and Eve had a choice using their own free will, and made
the wrong choice. So to does everyone on earth, have the same choice
To ever choose God and everlasting life or choose evil and perish through
our own choice, it's that simple a child can understand, we are all sinners
and need to acknowledge this fact and make the right choice, by choosing
to turn back to God and live.
God is responsible for the *FACT* of free-will,
humans are responsible for their *ACTS* of free-will..
This teaching doesn’t really answer the question at all. A choice of something bad need not be given for mankind to nor be robotic.
There is no such thing as completely free will to anything created, just free choice. God could have given 2 great options and man would have been just as free.
Add to that Adam had zero idea what death even was and even the choice he made was from ignorance.
If a human parent offered their child an apple or a banana, are they free? Do they become any more free because u offered an apple or cyinide? Of course not, it simply paints the parent out to be a monster. And god is no monster!
Hence, god didn’t set things up for free will or to test Adam. That’s an insane theory that makes god a psychopath. 🤦♂️🤦♂️