What should be the First Mod on a Basic Jeep JL Wrangler Sport
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- Bigger tires? Maybe a lift? How about a bumper and winch? The list goes on and on and they're all related to the one question that I get asked all the time, especially from people who are new to Jeeps. "What is the very first mod I should do?" Fortunately, Jeep JL Wranglers are without question, the most capable off road vehicle that money can buy and right out of the box. And, if you have something like a Rubicon, there really isn't anything more you'd need to get out on the trail and have a good time. But, what if you've got something basic like Pippi, our bone stock 2-Door JL Wrangler Sport? Well, my answer would be, the essentials! In this video, you'll get to see what that is and why it's the very first mod we made on her.
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This is some of the best Wrangler content i've found. Very professionally done and fun. Edutainment.. Great job !!
Thank you, truly humbled that you would say as much and happy to hear you enjoy it.
I might be heading up North (I live in Vegas) to get a used jeep. Is there a good person to work with at Lithia? @@wayalife I'm a TH-camr too... your content in aspirational !!
That was the very first mod we made to the JLU when first bought her. Found mine on market place for $100. I couldn’t get there fast enough. Now she wears 35s and a 3.5 lift. Next is bumpers and winch. Eddie Cindy and Ripley thank you for providing one of the best channels on TH-cam. You couldn’t ask for a better channel.
I agree..Eddie throwing the dog at the end is icing on the cake.
Thank you, we're so happy that you enjoy our videos and like seeing Ripley 😎
Thank you, sir for the well reasoned ideas - I am new to Jeeps, and I now see a hole in the earth into which I can throw money and NEVER, NEVER fill it up. But, little by little - we will make some mods - and, the ones we do not have will not stop us from “getting out there”. Again, thanks
Glad that we could be of help to you 😎
Looks so much better. Wranglers and Gladiators look unfinished without rocket protection of some sort. Another great video!
Thank you. We're so happy to hear you enjoy our videos.
Love the look of them on my Rubicon. It’s a must have for the Sport and Sahara in my opinion. It finished off the look of the body.
I think so too.
Definitely agree on the rock sliders, that was the first major mod I did. Got them used, but perfect, off Craigslist for $250 for my Gladiator. Even my wife agreed on them, but mostly because the rocker area looked unfinished on the Sport model. Not only does it clean up the look but that area is now well protected. Glad we agree!
OMG! I haf a border named Bailley, She was an awesome dog, she would catch her frisbee for hours on end. Brought back such wonderful memories,
Thank you so much :)
Nice
I just got a 19 JLU rubicon 2.0t. Already has 35s. First thing I was going to do is rock sliders and lower body armor 😂 thanks for confirming my notion 🇺🇸💪🏼
Ohhh my....that hide and seek with the puppy is Awesome.❤️❤️❤️❤️
LOL - so happy to hear you enjoyed seeing that 😎
For me,the first mod I need is to get the jeep.gotta live vicariously thru all you guys until that time.
Ikr?? I want a Wlliys model.
@@GWoods-rc5xw I'm really shooting for a jt Rubicon.got a few years to save up for it.gotta pay off the wife's car first.
Well, we hope that you've been enjoying the ride so far. 😎
@@wayalife absolutely. Been following you guys for many years.had a tj for a few years but unfortunately to let it go for a more family friendly ride .
💯% on board with your first mod selections. Rock rails on & time to play with Ripley! Another great video!
LOL - glad you enjoyed the video and yes, Ripley needs play time 😎
Jeeps looking super good!
Thank you :)
Those are the smartest dogs ever . What a sweetheart .
Thank you :)
Your shows are great. Just bought a 23 JL. You have been a great help
Michael Herrell
Thank you! We're so happy to hear that our videos have been helpful to you and congratulations to you on your new Jeep 😎
Thanks for all of the instructional videos! Thanks to you I had the confidence to swap out my stock springs and shocks for a set of rubicon springs and shocks. Everything went well and the best part was having my son help with the project. That in itself was better than the best vacation I could ever dream of. Thanks again!
Glad that we can be of help to you :)
My new favorite channel. Really love how you guys are down to earth.
Why thank you. We really do appreciate it 😎
Not sure where you find the time to reply to almost every comment, but I still commend you for doing so! It's a personal touch I dont find on other channels anymore. Thank you 😊
LOL - I won't lie, it's a lot of work but I enjoy helping out where I can 😎
@@wayalife I also appreciate the time you spend reading and replying to comments. Can't stress enough how much I enjoy the videos, tips and honesty... the best part is playing with the dog 🐕.
That dog has some HUSTLE!!
"WOOF!"
Jeeps and dogs go together! ❤
LOL - oh yeah, Ripley has the hustle :)
"Ripley, I promise I'll play with you soon, you can trust me."
Ripley: MOM! Make Dad throw it pleeeeaaasseee!!!
Thanks for sharing another story. This was one of the most confusing questions for me back when I joined the JK forums, so many out there will appreciate this (and the small cost to pack a bunch of safety it to avoid other damage.)
Always a sucker for your pup, hope you have an amazing day :)
Awesome, so glad to hear you found this video to be helpful and that you liked seeing Ripley 😎
I love the practicality of your videos. Awesome channel.
Don't forget to play with your dog!
LOL - glad to hear it and yes, gotta play with Ripley more 😁
I died with the Pupper peek-a-boo!!
LOL - glad you enjoyed it 😎
Factory "sliders" make any Jeep look finished off at the rockers. I'm a fan of the look.
Oh, and thanks for the dog shots...
LOL - I think so too and glad you enjoy seeing Ripley 😎
02 2-Door TJ here. First mod was to dump the side steps and install rock sliders. Back then the simple solution was to bolt on angle iron to the tub, no connections to the frame. Poison Spider made some stronger ones that were higher grade steel and went up higher on the tub with cool plasma cut logos but were expensive.
Your "factory" sliders replacements stick way too far out and down low and connecting them to the frame is bad Ju-Ju. They also look kinda soft and maybe can't take a big rock hit without distorting. The tub is meant to be isolated from from the frame on flexible pucks and bolting on the tub with a rock slider and into the frame which flexes is gonna cause problems.
Or maybe I'm wrong and newer JLs are built different so it's OK to go with a box section slider but you're paying big time concerning clearances. Of course no handy step to get into the Jeep is a hassle but I say maybe if you can't get into your Jeep unaided you may have a problem.
LOL - umm, okay.
I'm on a budget so I'm only doing mods that are essential for the places I want to go. Ironically I did add Rubicon rock rails for appearance as much as anything. I think mods depend on what you want to do with the vehicle. For me I added tires and springs/shocks off of a Rubicon. I will suggest for anyone driving off of pavement the first mod should be front mud flaps. My tires throw a lot of rocks up on the doors and the front part of the rear fenders.
Before we bought our new 1999 base model wrangler (4 cylinder engine, manual transmission 14x5.5-inch steel wheels, 205/75-15 tires, no air conditioning) we had used Isuzu Troopers for picnic and camping trips to hundreds of locations far from paved roads in Utah and surrounding states.
1: Tow hooks. We specified that the dealer install tow hooks (two front, one rear) before we took delivery.
2: Tires. The next day (and without consulting me), my wife traded the 205 tires for (5) tires size 235/75-15.
3: Tow strap. Our Isuzu Troopers had tow loups - not tow hooks - so we had been accustomed to carrying a tow strap with hooks attached to the strap. That strap was difficult to use with the Wrangler tow hooks so we got a strap that had loups on the ends of the strap.
4. Grab handles. A pair of side grab handles to install on the forward parts of the standard Wrangler “Sports Bars” (i.e. between the roll bar and the windshield). The grab handles made getting into and out of the Wrangler much easier, especially for my wife (who is short) when she rode in the right front passenger seat - and for me when my wife (often) drove with considerable verve.
5: Sway bar disconnect. We never disconnected the front sway bar but I fabricated a disconnect for the rear sway bar. I had to crawl under the Wrangler to disconnect or reconnect it but it took less than a minute to do either. We tried to plan our off-pavement trips for when no rain was forecast but, on those rare occasions when the roads were wet when we got back to pavement, I sometimes drove on the paved roads without first reconnecting the sway bar - never farther than to the next town and I never exceeded the posted speed when the sway bar was disconnected.
6: 12-volt tire pump. To allow airing tires down to 15 lbs. when leaving pavement and airing up again when returning to pavement.
7: Polyurethane bushings. We thought the Wrangler suspension was remarkably good (for a vehicle with “solid axles” front and rear) but our son gave us a complete set of polyurethane suspension bushings. I briefly considered trying to install them myself but quickly decided to have them professionally installed. They didn’t make a huge difference but we both liked the feel of “truck” suspensions better than “car” suspensions and the polyurethane bushings made the suspension more “truck-like”.
8: Roof rack: Ours was a Smittybilt. It attached to the body of the Wrangler (not to the optional hard top) so I think a soft top could have been lowered and put back up with the rack installed. The hard top maybe could have been removed with the rack in place.
9: Edelbrock IAS (Inertia Active System) shock absorbers. From the time I started reading about vehicle use off pavement, I had read that many people recommended “tightening” adjustable shock absorbers for use off pavement and then adjusting them back to their “soft” setting “for a better ride” on pavement. That NEVER made sense to me. It seemed to me that it would be better for the shock absorbers to be “tightened” for use on pavement (for better handling) and returned to their “soft” setting to allow better compliance off pavement. When I read that Edelbrock made shocks that did that automatically, I started saving my money. After getting the Edlebrocks, we found that the ride was as good (maybe slightly better) on the rocks without airing down than what it had been with standard shocks and airing down! Edelbrock shocks are probably not worth the money for people who only drive off pavement once or twice a year. But our schedule permitted us (for a few years) to drive off pavement a couple of days once or twice a month from April to October. Not only better control on rocky roads but a HUGE time savings if you explore off pavement as often as we did back then. Edelbrock IAS shocks were not available in the U.S. for a while but I see they are being advertised now. Don’t yet know for which vehicles.
10: BFG All-Terrain tires. After driving them for a while we decided they had better traction than the other brands we had used on our Isuzu Troopers and on the Wrangler but the more noticeable advantage of the BFGs was that they allowed more precise placement of the Wrangler on the right side of narrow paved mountain roads - VERY helpful when meeting oncoming traffic!
On my fourth Wrangler. Rock rails are always my first mod.
Awesome :)
Was the very first thing I did on my 19 JLU sport. Found take offs never scratched or off road, two pair for $40 a pop.
Nice score and they are a LOT cheaper for a 4-door. 2-door owners treat them like gold.
Rock Sliders were one of my first mods for my JLU, even though I had the stock Rubicon sliders, I added a pair of ACE Engineering Rock Sliders for added protection, which also doubles as a step stool to get into my Jeep 👍🏻
Love those rocker guards. I put a set of Rubi take-offs on my JLU Sport S for pretty cheap. Good thing too, because they find the rocks all the time!
Awesome. They really are dime a dozen for 4-doors.
Living in south Florida, the first mod on any vehicle should be window tint 🥵. Saves the interior and saves you from having miserable days in the vehicle. Plus, it looks awesome 😎
I bought a new F250 STX crew cab 4x4 recently. My mods were floor mats, line x bed liner, rear inner fender liners, seat covers, window tint and ceramic coated the paint. My next mod was a Rtic cooler with an American flag wrap for trips. Of course a new dog bed for the back seat for my GSD.
If that was my Jeep I would go with rock guards, window tint, seat covers, ceramic coat, a dog bed for your dog and a cooler.
Glad the pup got his platime
I don't think there was any getting around it 😁
Looks much better with the rubicon guards. Greetings from the Netherlands. Love the series! 🇳🇱❤️🇺🇸✌️💪👍👌🥇
Glad you like them! :)
💯 agree! Btw, love these outros 😎🐕
LOL - So glad you enjoy seeing Ripley 😎
Screw the Jeep; I love your dog!! ❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍🤗
LOL - so glad you enjoy seeing Ripley 😎
I'm down the Wayalife TH-cam rabbit hole once again. Great channel, Dude.
Awesome! Thank you!
Those rock sliders are subtle and they looks sharp.
Thank you :)
I think that the best way to describe this kind of mods to keep the Jeep pretty stock is "reversible mods", because you can comeback to the completly factory configuration without leaving any kind of signs from the mods (like drill holes and stuff like that)💪💪
I like it! 👍
love the bonus footage of yer fur baby
LOL - thank you. Glad you enjoy seeing Ripley :)
I subscribed for the dog. The Jeep stuff is ok lol
LOL - awesome :)
Love the install, and Ripley made my day!!
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed our video 😎
The peek a boo was just too cute!
LOL - glad you enjoyed seeing Ripley having some fun 😎
Rock sliders, skid plates and more capable tires are absolutely the best first mods to a stock Jeep. With those three, you can test how capable your rig is stock, then buy suspension and other mods like winch bumpers to enhance your capability.
Great video! We actually bought a set of the factory rock rails for our Gladiator. Picked them up for $100 so I feel we have got our money's worth.
Awesome!
Hey Eddie and Cindy. Love your shooting and editing style. Excellent work.
Thank you. We're humbled that you would say as much and really do appreciate it.
Number one is a GOOD TIRE.
We all have our own idea of what number one should be :)
Lol. Peek a boo around the tree with Ripley.
I really expected something different out of this video based on the title. I must admit… it may have not been the sexiest “first” upgrade… but it was an extremely practical one. It pleasantly surprised me and I can’t argue with your reasoning.
Thanks for another great video.
LOL - happy to hear you enjoyed our video :)
That's one of the first mods I did on my 18 sport. It was to protect the rockers and cover the ugly pinch seam.
And that thing is way ugly and in need of hiding LOL
Sir u have probably the best jeep content on youtube love all your videos man 👌🙌🏻
We're truly flattered to hear you say as much, thank you 😊
Stockish is my favorite. I kept my 2006 TJ Rubicon stock and my JT Sport will be kept stock ish. 32s, steel bumpers, winch, and a few other little things. I’m jealous of your half doors!
Very cool :)
Your videos are always so well put together
Thank you. We're truly flattered that you would say as much. 😎
I started my 2dr JLR the same way. It’s my everyday driver and only vehicle, but since I wheel it too I went with protection as my first priority. Heavier duty rock skids, under body skids plates, and front and rear diff skids. Oh let’s not forget the evaporator skid! Now I just hope one day those half doors become available soon. Love those doors! Wish it were an option in 2019!
Can't say that I'm a fan of aftermarket skid plates but we all have our own idea of what's needed. That said, I wish the half doors were an option back in 2018. I'd have them on my JLUR and JT if they were.
I learned the hard way about rock sliders. I bought some that were very expensive but definitely not rated for rocks. Now my sliders are welded to the frame.
That's always the best way to go.
My first mod on my JTR was rock sliders, even though I already had the Rubicon rock-rails, because they doubled as a step for my wife and my son. Went with Ace Engineering rock sliders, since they allowed me to also keep the rubi-rails, but without losing any ground clearance.
First thing I did with my sport was rubi sliders then, rubi suspension along with 35x10.50x17 tires.. it’s perfect for what we use it for.
Nice
Nice video doing the smart basics. My list for our 2020 4-door Willys is: Fox 2.0 shocks (already installed), Nitto or Toyo (Ridge Grappler or MT's) 255/80-17 (33" x 10" pizza cutter) tires keeping the stock (17" x 7") wheels and no lift. Eaton TruTrac front/rear (should I regear from 3.52 to 3.73 for the 1" tire size height increase and 5 lbs of extra weight per corner... I don't know yet). Stubby aluminum front bumper with steel plate for a winch. The Willys package came with the rock sliders, transfer case skid plate and fuel tank skid plate. Interior: I've already installed a HAM radio (Icom ID-5100) and I travel/off-road/camp with a Garmin inReach mini. Looking forward to more with the Pippi Project. Cheers! Pete - KI7LIL
Awesome 👍
I took delivery of my ordered 2021 JLUR about 2 months ago. First mod was ARB twin compressor with Grimm Off Road brackets. Then, thanks to your videos, I put in fender welting on all 4 corners. I put clear protection tape on all the hinges and thresholds, and seat covers in front (i get dirty at work). I have a JL Tazer I have yet to install. I think those are a pretty good start. Thanks for the vids, I enjoy them greatly!
Awesome! So glad that we've been of some help to you 👍
Was going to say when I saw the video title, for the Wrangler it's a no-brainer to go after the OE parts that were included on higher trim package models that others have removed to upgrade. They're usually cheap and fairly plentiful. Also for the Wranglers, the body design makes rockers tuck up nicely. On other vehicles sometimes rocker armor ends up sticking down far below, basically guaranteeing a hit, when perhaps the vehicle would have just cleared if they hadn't been there. The Wrangler doesn't have that problem to the same extent.
Glad we showed what you would have recommended 😎
Love your dog...and your Jeep
Thank you :)
@@wayalife And now that I've seen many of your videos, you've got a new subscriber.
@@germangarciafernandez Awesome, thank you.
I saw the awesome puppy again!!!!
For my current JKU and my previous KJ, the rock rails and aftermarket engine/front end skid plates were some of the first modifications I did.
To add onto that thought, a CB radio or some form of communication equipment may also be a good choice for a first modification.
I can’t wait to see more off-road videos showing the capabilities of Pippi!
Awesome! More is coming :)
1. Decorative seat covers
2. 24" chrome wheels
3. Angry birds grill covering.
4. NEON LIGHTS!
LOL - you know it! 😁
I guess I feel lucky with my wife's JT. I got the JT Rubicon rock rails for $150 almost new. And they helped install them.
Awesome! JLUR and JT rails are definitely more abundant and way more affordable. 2-doors are slim pickins and the owners tend to treat them like gold. LOL
Good choice for a first mod! I think the first mods should be the cheapest mods you can find that you didn’t get when you first got your vehicle. I actually found the perfect Jeep for me: a ‘20 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with the entertainment and tow package - pretty much the lowest cost Unlimited Rubicon on the lot. I got the Mopar all-weather mats later and slowly swapped out my exterior bulbs for LEDs. I still need to swap out my plastic bumpers!
Happy to hear you enjoyed our video and congratulations on your new Jeep!
on-board arb air w/a wayalife custom mount was MY first add to the JT-R
LOL - awesome! Thank you 😎
What an amazing dog! I want one just like her/him.
Thank you. We're so happy that you enjoy seeing Ripley 😎
I like the stock looks. 👍
I totally agree that this first modification is necessary and at the same time looks much better. Thanks Cindy and Eddie for another great video and regards to Ripley.😁
It really does help to make a basic Jeep like this look more complete. Like it should have come from the factory. Glad you enjoyed the video. 😎
Did anybody else keep rewinding the end… when he kept looking from each side of the tree was the most adorable thing ever! Great vid. My rubi 4xe came with all that so I started with a lift and rims and tires. Great work guys!
that cracked me up when your dog was peeking around the tree. You should've put thread lock on the bolts holding your rock sliders on
Glad you enjoyed watching Ripley . As far as thread lock goes, if the nuts and bolts ever come loose, I will.
Dam your editing Is forever on point ! 💯🤙
LOL - thank you, we really do appreciate it. 😎
Ridley is the coolest, and the cutest!
LOL - thank you :)
Ended up eventually with 31's.... re geared rear diff. Warn brush guard/winch. 1.8 four cylinder motor. Weber carb.. headers... custom steel rear bumper. Rancho Suspension... Mid 80's,,, I miss that truck,,,,
Sounds like a fun ride.
@@wayalife For a kid... Not many choices available back in the early 80's. I was living/working on an apple farm back then... Farm shop mods.
1st and so far only mod we did on Jake was the spider web shade. The 2 seat version since we live in an aprtmwnt have no place to stow the the rear hard top.
Beautiful dog!! And Jeeps!! 😁
Thank you :)
Skid plates!
We've always found our factory skid plates to do their job and well.
Oh my your puppy is adorable, oh and nice jeep =)
Thank you! 😊
I need to laugh at myself. I got jeep and all terrain tires. I searched the easy roads, but they are not easy. That Tulsa divide was scary. The scenic Red Rock was scary as well. I feel ridiculous.
LOL - no need to feel ridiculous. Off roading should always feel a little scary. It's what keeps you thinking straight and helps to make smarter decisions.
I don’t know if it’s considered an actual mod or not but for anyone wanting to go out off roading in any vehicle, not just a Jeep, everything off road related first begins and starts with the tires! The proper tires will give you the best traction needed, as well as the best sidewall protection. For what I do I prefer BF Goodrich All Terrain TKO’s and now TKO II’s in 10 ply. They have always worked very well for me with a majority of stuff that I like to do.
Next is ground clearance and suspension. For rock crawling and/or slower speed off roading where you will need your vehicle to clear obstacles, ground clearance is #2 combined with proper under vehicle protection like skid plates and rock sliders, then followed by suspension as #3. However, for faster styles of off roading where higher speeds are more of a reality such as Baja style racing and so on, then suspension is #2 followed by having better ground clearance and everything previously said that goes along with it as #3.
After that is making sure your vehicle has enough power, horsepower, torque and gearing to do what you need it to do for whatever kind of off roading that it is that you are wanting to do.
The last 3 things but which are both as equally important as the previously mentioned ones are having proper recovery gear and tools such as a winch, Hi Lift jack and tools that can let you do an off trail/temporary bush repair job to get you through the area where you are off roading at and back to your home and/or home base to then have a permanent fix, repair and/or part/component replacement done to get your vehicle back to pre-broken/damaged part condition prior to your last outing and then next, proper off road lighting for once it gets dark and the sun sets.
For those things I prefer Warn Winches. My most recent one is a Warn Zeon 12-S winch. I prefer to go slightly overkill with my winches because I may not always be recovering just myself, but someone else too, and/or instead.
For tools I encourage people to use anything that is considered high quality tools. And then for lights I prefer KC Hilites. In my opinion, they make the very best off road lights around. Their quality is top notch and their customer service is second to none, and is the very best that there is out there hands down!
Cool - we all have our own ideas of what should be first.
Great video Eddie. Loved seeing some of footage too. 🥳
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it 😎
Great video, amazing pup! Thanks guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Omg your dog is hilarious :)
LOL - happy to hear you enjoy seeing Ripley.
Nice job. Love the dog endings. 🤟
Glad you like them! 😎
I think it totally depends on where you live and the task you are going to ask from a vehicle. For me it was lights. I know ppl say lockers before lights. Well I’ve use my lights every night. So I say install what you need first.
First thing I did on my wife's 19 JL was to put Enhanced Rubicon Rock Rails on it.
Awesome! All you really need and those are nicer 👍
A good set of tyres are always a great first upgrade to any Jeep
Clearly, we all have our own idea of what should be first. New and better tires are great to have but for how I'd like to use my Jeep, I don't see how they would protect my rocker panels.
@@wayalife definitely, not a lot of rock crawling around here, mostly beach and sand dunes, so not much point in rock sliders, can definitely see how you guys would need them.
@@Whiteandsonsgarage Ah, got it.
Thanks for the informative videos. Bottle jack vs. hi lift. How to patch a tire.....
Glad you found our videos to be informative 😎
Me encanta que todos los aprietes son con llave de torque y me servirán para saber a qué torque debo apretar las tuercas
Happy to know that our video was helpful to you :)
Eaton tru track diffs, makes a world of difference.
Nice for sure but for me, they would just help me to beat up my rocker panels even more.
Pippi as in Pippi Longstockings? If so great choice.
LOL - yes. Here's the story behind it th-cam.com/video/1trDS6Jo1CM/w-d-xo.html
I would do lockers first, great videos by the way
You should always do what you feel is best for your Jeep :)
Always great videos!!!
Thank you. Happy to hear you enjoy them 😎
COOL DOG!
Thank you :)
Here in the salt belt I wish I would have put anti-seize on the big underbody bolts. They all snapped off when I removed them later.
Man, that's gotta suck. So glad that we don't have to deal with that out here in Nevada.
1st mod should be a 4 legged copilot. that said before you start modding your rig the best thing to do is go to a couple different offroading events and see what you personally want to do. that way you can plan your build.
LOL - indeed. Always good to have a good furry co-pilot on board 😁
Wow y’all are super fancy! Not losing the 10 mm. 😂
🤣 Who said anything about this being the first one LOL
Sliders and undercarriage protection are what I recommend you do first.
Been waiting for a video like that.. tlthank you
Awesome! So glad that you found our video to be useful 😎
After about 8 months of owning my EcoDiesel I finally put on my 2.5" lift. Next up tires......and some rock slides.
We all use our Jeeps differently.