This is exactly what I needed tonight, thank you for keeping your upload schedule in-line with my sleep schedule, just as we previously discussed. Your payment will arrive shortly.
Ha! Glad the drop is timed well! I'm trying to decide how I'm gonna do the 2 vids a month thing. Will probs upload one late at night again this Fri, then switch to the once every 2 weeks... calendars fry my brain!
I love these types of old rumors. The amount of absolute BS that floated around forums back in the day was staggering and hilarious. Great video man, keep up the good work.
That’s what I’ve always appreciated about elder scrolls series. As the player you get first hand experience. Only for the next game, to set 100 years later, and the interpretation of the last game is taken completely out of context (or in the case of Skyrim, the thalmor, straight up took credit for the oblivion crisis ending). Also the books they write for the player to read are also not always true 😂
12:27 "When the game was new a host of rumors appeared but they were eventually disproven with the release of the construction set, allowing players to look behind the curtain." I'ma stop you right there, Chief. Oblivion's Construction Set was available for download on RELEASE DAY, similar to how Morrorwind's PC release contained a disc for its Construction Set in the box. It wasn't until Fallout 3 that they started holding Construction Set/Creation Kit tools back until a period of time after retail release. I suspect that it's because they were still butthurt that in the first couple days, an industrious modder had inspected all the 3D textures in Oblivion's textures.bsa file, and found that the body torso texture that Bethesda had added to support female outfits that show skin, had inexplicably been drawn anatomically correct. This modder then went into the Construction Set, found the record for the 3D Mesh used for the medieval perma-bra wearing torso that the game uses when female characters aren't wearing any outer clothing above the waist, and modded it to overwrite that' mesh's 3D texture with the bare skin texture from the .bsa. This was how Oblivion's first topless mod got released before the game was even a half week old. Of course, the gaming media jumped on the story, and Bethesda countered with "Hey we can't be blamed for whatever 3D meshes third-party modders add into our game." The modder counter-countered with the fact that their mod consisted solely of a .esp file that was only a few KB large, and absolutely no new 3D Meshes or Textures, so it was using assets that shipped with the game. This was later proven correct by someone developing an Action Replay code for the X-Box version of Oblivion that duplicated the effect of the topless mod. And this was hot on the heels of the GTA San Andreas Hot Coffee scandal that had previously prompted the Entertainment Software Ratings Board to issue a notice to game developers and publishers that when submitting video games to get their ESRB Rating, they were required to disclose ALL content on the game disc that's relevant to the rating, even cut content that's not supposed to be accessible through normal gameplay. Since 2KGames distributed both GTA and Oblivion, the game was already on the ESRB's radar, and they asked 2K and Bethesda, "Hey, are you SURE you told us about EVERYTHING on the disc?" It was at that point Bethesda realized that they had maybe played down the blood and gore players may encounter during the Arena and Dark Brotherhood side quests, and put together a new video that more clearly showed the level of violence in the side quests. ESRB decided that Oblivion never should have been rated "T for Teen" and bumped it up to "M for Mature" with a few more content descriptors on the box. By that point, Bethesda had patched out the textures that started this whole mess, replacing them with Barbie Doll versions, so the "Nudity" descriptor was not required by the ESRB to be added. The next game that Bethesda put out on what I call the ElderStarFall Engine was when they made the modding community wait to get an official Construction Set/Creation Kit tool, a practice they've adhered to ever since. Could be a coincidence, but the timing suggests otherwise. Not that this stops the modding community, who have their own third-party modding tools that they simply adapt from whatever the previous game in the series is. In fact the author of the topless mod had used a Morrowind-era BSA Extractor that had been updated to Oblivion's new file headers to extract the contents of ES:IV's textures.bsa. (Yes, I know Bethesda has an official name for the engine, they change it every few years to try to hide the fact that it's simply been a series of incremental upgrades on top of the same tech that ran Morrowind.)
Great comment, and you're absolutely right. Wish I could hop in and amend the script a little to correct that mistake. I remember all the incidents you listed, of course, now that you've brought them up. Ever thought of making videos? You've got the core of a great one right here. Heck you've written half of a script already!
This made me hop back into Oblivion. Had to go explore the Unmarked Cave myself. I can't wait to see you cover Morrowind! The urban legend / creepypasta that had everyone dead and told you to "Watch the Sky" always fascinated me growing up. It stuck with me even a decade onward.
For some reason that creepy pasta scared the SHIT outta me when I was like 9.Maybe it's cause morrowind was already kinda uncanny at times with all the weird characters who never moved and all the weird things they would say,and of course the music provides a certain vibe.I just remember seeing a video on that creepy pasta and then playing morrowind and being hyper aware of every NPC that told me to watch the skies.When it happened like 3 times in an hour....I was scared shitless.
Honestly, I kind of like the idea that Glarthir wasn't entirely wrong, except he was suspecting the wrong people for the wrong reasons. With his conspiracy theory sort of behavior, I could see him being watched just in case he stumbled across or "made up" evidence of the Count's vampirism. That or he was being watched by the guard because they were worried he might end up doing exactly what he ends up doing and it just made things worse.
@TheLoganM9 Yeah Morihaus Was A Sometimes Human/Sometimes Bull Demigod Some People Think That Makes Him a Minotaur But He Wasn't He Was Either 100% Humanoid or 100% Bull No Inbetween
Oblivion is one of my favorite games and this helped take me back to the good old days where the gaming community was much smaller. This era of Bethesda games were so vast, ambitious and buggy, it was always hard to tell what was intended, what wasn't, and what was leftover from development. Would love some more. Thanks.
37:03 in a time before mass media it was possible to not know what someone looked like in that kinda position. Im sure in the 1400's there were several peasants who knew they had a king/emperor but had not the slightest clue what they looked like. Portrat Paintings were uncomon and expensive so not knowing what the emperor looks like makes sense to me.
While not Oblivion related, I had a very odd encounter with M'aiq in Skyrim where I came across him around a pile of bodies of imperial and stormcloak soldiers, where it looked like he just got done drinking the blood from one of them. It was very much a strange encounter.
May not be paranormal or anything but what you stumbled upon was two random encounter spawning at once in one spot, which is incredibly rare! Congratulations!
Have you heard that he is in fact lorkhan, or at least the khajit avatar for lorkhan? They believe that after his heart was torn out and shot into the sea becoming red mountain, his body broken in half and throw into the sky(the two moons), yet still he did not die, for his soul took the form of a witty and clever khajit that was doomed to walk born forever playing tricks on the gullible and wise cracking something fierce. Since he has been in every major elderscrolls since Morrowind it makes him immortal and thus fills the requirements. However lorkhan actually became shor after his heart was torn out, where he created sovengarde as a reward to the wandering elnofey that stood shoulder to shoulder with him against Trinimac. So M'aiq cant be him, unless lorkhan was fragmented in soul as well as in body. Even then the khajit notion of lorkhan is wrong as Vivec proved the original promise of lorkhan (build me nirn and you shall have a deadric realm where even a god, perfect and timeless can ascend) once assumed to have been a cruel trick was proven genuine all along when vivec reached Chim a Post-Divine state above the gods after communing with the heart of lorkhan and learning the cosmic truth of all things within the tower wheel. A lore based 4th wall break. Anyways M'aiq is still some sort of upper being though since he is older than a khajit could ever be(perhaps M'aiq also caught the corpus and scored a swift cure from the neraverine!
@GhostofJamesMadison I think Maiq is a Tom Bombadil type figure, but less removed from the world as a whole. He's not a god, he kind of just *is* and he enjoys appearing when big things are going down in the world, just to meet the people at the centre of events, for no reason but to take their measure in his own way by his own esoteric metrics.
I've always thought that the oversized items in the basement weren't actually oversized, but it was you that'd shrunk. Either actual physical transformation or an illusion.
I had forgotten about this incident until you brought up the stories about the disappearing goblin and teleporting minotaur. When I was a kid, I remember running around the higher-class side of the imperial city when, out of nowhere, a golden saint runs up to some NPC and kills them and then gets taken out by the guards. Not really spooky, but I thought it was very strange, especially since I hadn't started the shivering isles on that character yet.
Man since playin Oblivion in 2007, it has been one of my all time favourite games. Its definitely the vert first game I was fully immersed in, i truly felt entrenched in that game. The OST/Score, the ambient soundscape, the gameplay sound effects I can recall them all in my head so vividly, the menu navigation sounds. I always appreciate Oblivion deep dives, I hope u do more of this dawg coz I've subbed
This is what makes Oblivion so much weirder than just the wacky NPCs and whatnot. The wealth of scrapped/hidden lore and gameplay scattered everywhere can be interpreted in different ways... the sinister vs normal vs joking elements that make up parts of the game. Whatever you want to call it, bugginess, jankiness, etc - it still lends to the intended scale of the game and Bethesda's creative ambitions
Absolutely - and I think, also, it creates that totally unique and charming vibe. Nothing else has ever managed it (I mean, no other developer has been able to create this particular flavour - and, in fact, not even Bethesda themselves have managed to totally replicate it - each of their games are variations on a theme, in this way).
I really love the theory that the Hero of Kvatch has come to being only in that jail. Thank you for telling it to us in the video! I'm really glad I've stumbled upon your channel :)
All the male wood elves are a little off. Probably because, unlike the female ones, they look about hobbit size so develop a Napoleonic complex, hah. I love them all, they are all so quirky and funny. No wonder there are so many of them in the Shivering Isles. I wish instead of killing Glarthir I could have sent him there as well. He would feel right at home in the realm of madness.
Oooh, I feel bad for whatever video I clicked on before. Was getting settled in when I see in the top of my suggested "The Urban Legends Of Oblivion" And I physically cannot avoid clicking that. It's like, the perfect video for me to watch!
i was so surprised to see sutch included in the west weald area in eso, i had always known it was cut from oblivion but didnt think it was still canon to the lore
There is also Sir Lazan in Skingrad; he never leaves his house ever and he tries to insult you when you talk to him, even challenging you to a duel. Other townspeople will sometimes comment on this with rumours and some say they are sick of him. If you go into his house you'll find 2 very odd things. Firstly the floor is higher than it should be, in other words your character floats in mid air rather than standing on the ground. Secondly, in his basement there is a take rat. It's non hostile unless you attack it. But if you DO attack it it's actually ridiculously strong because it levels up with your character the whole time. At level 30+ it can actually kill high level players.
YES YES some REAL gamer content. You made great vids, bro. We barely get urban legends and playground rumors in games anymore. Everything is immediately datamined and processed. I love these kinds of vids
Yeah, as useful as datamining is, it takes away half the magic of playing a game and then talking about it with friends. In movie terms, something like the multiple endings of Clue would be straight up impossible to pull off today
I remember the innkeeper in chorrol has rumours about her doing dodgy stuff, and when you go in her inn’s basement, dungeon music plays. There’s nothing actually there though so maybe a cut quest.
I think that is confirmed cut content because of the rumour topic attached to it. Plus I don't think there's any actual quest associated with the chorrol inn in the base game.
Woah dude, watched your NVG video the other day and this one came up, was under the impression you were a much bigger channel, love the production value, keep up the great work!
Glarthir's quest actully messed with my head. The first time I did the quest I ended up reporting him. Only for NPCs to comment his he "turned up dead" the next morning and emedietly it just set off every red flag in my brain. I was just like "TF you mean he turned up dead!?". It was so specifically worded that I reloaded a previous save 100% convinced I'd missed something. As I was still fresh to the game and didn't really understand you had to have high affinity to unlock more info in diaologe.
Sutch is my favourite peice of cut content, it's so cool that you can visit it in ESO and that the devs over at ZOS included it and pay homage to the coimmunty's love for it.
0:13 over the last couple of decades? No oblivion isn't that old. It only came out when I was a kid....realization then set in that I have my own kid and am, in fact, now old.
About the Beef topic. There are cows in Elder Scrolls- you can find them in Elder Scrolls 2 Daggerfall. So more than likely, the cows are bred and kept as livestock in High Rock- where the beef is shipped to all corners of Tamriel.
And to add on, Bretons are highly skilled in Magics- So they probably use extensive frost magics to keep the beef preserved during the shipping process
I've had the Minotaur teleport behind me in the Arena too ! Thank you so much for your work, it was a pleasure to listen to your voice while doing boring chores in the house
So... about the Champion himself He is a Shezarin. Not from the start, but he becomes one during The Knights of the Nine main storyline as he mantels someone who was already Shezarin But, here where an interesting connection comes in: Sheogorath is described in one of the books as "Sithis-shaped hole" And so the Champion (who is the avatar of Shezar, who is an aspect of Lorkhan, a direct creation of Sithis) steps in place of Sheogorath, "filling" the Sithis-shaped hole
Really in depth, well made video! Just subbed yesterday, and I gotta say, I love the content. I adore Oblivion so much, it’s been my favourite game forever! I’ve watched so many videos on cut content and secrets and that kinda stuff in the game, and yet I still saw some things I’d never seen before here!! That’s the real magic of the game, somehow, there’s always more to discover. Thanks! ❤
The theory for the deep ones I personally subscribe to is that they're powerful Daedra connected to Molag Bal. He did invade Cyrodil so it's not too unlikely that some of his stronger minions could be sealed away there. Also Etira Moslin will have a disposition of 100 if you approach her as a vampire, and Molag Bal is the creator of Vampires.
I dont know how many of these you read. But ill tell you something, I found this video due to youtubes recommendations (i frequent lore videos and bethesda content) and i enjoyed this one a lot, i went and watched your New vegas video the most recent one about the same topic. and it was also very good. I see the large time gap between your recent videos and the fallout 3 And i have to say your videos have immensely improved, these recent videos are great on their own and a huge jump in quality from the older content i skimmed, i hope you see your own growth and keep making more
I read everything and at this stage I can still manage to respond to everything - that’ll get harder if the channel grows a lot more of course! So I’m glad you sent this now so I did get a chance to see it easily! I appreciate you taking the time to tell me you noticed this - yep, I had a combo of some minor health issues and also thought I might take some time to recalculate what I was doing… and it does seem to have worked, on my return - which I’m immensely pleased about! I do think life is all about growth and change and adapting, so yeah it’s been a bit of a journey so far and will continue to be! To me the audience is the most important thing - that, and my authentic love for this stuff. No hustle, just content - and making sure it gets better and better! Thank you for this, I really appreciate it. ❤️
I'd actually love to see just a remaster (not a remake) with the game including all of the cut content! If they did remaster it I'd love if they also fixed some problems but also include the ability to play the game in it's original form but with the upscale.
Very cozy video. This era of gaming was the absolute golden age of rumor-spreading, a blend of schoolyard gossip and the limitless power of the emerging internet.
Too be honest, the skingrad house could have been orginal tied too the mages guild questline and abandonded for various reasons. It was always kind of weird too me that we met his steward in a random part of a field outside the city and not somewhere more private. Also weird that the count would leave his castle like that where he could possibly be seen.
39:39 this will happen and is easily re-creatable. If they get stuck the game tries to move the enemy to the player's location. Doing the paintbrush glitch and going high enough up is the easiest way to do it. Guards will teleport too
A nice bit of unintentional wordplay comedy at 6:20: SOS: "But for me, the absolute coolest piece of cut content of Oblivion is such. What is it?" Viewer: I don't know! You were telling me!
I miss the days of gaming before the internet, everything felt so unique and mysterious, so many old games had these type of rumors or myths about them, and you'd talk about it with your friends and just end up generating even more rumors from it, games have no mystique to them when you can just google everything
I also remember finding evidence that Glarthir was indeed being plotted against although I don't remember what it was. The game however does not allow you to solve the issue without a murder spree which really devaluates the quest, causing me to never even start it.
I did it again recently myself. And same boat, I can't remember exactly what stage it was in the quest that tipped me off but there was absolutely something sus and it kinda hurt me to have to put down Glarthir. But my character rationalized it as being an inevitable outcome
When I was a kid, on TES forums where I was hanging out there used to be a rumour that you can save Lucien Lachance. If you visit him in the Applewatch at a very specific moment, you can save him and he won't die! And if you did all of this and he still dies, you weren't fast enough, and it's your own fault. People even shared their screenshots of happy alive Lucien, to prove that they saved him. And I, as a little child, believed them :(
I've had the "teleporting" Enemy happen. It happened on PS3 twice. Both outdoors near dungeons where enemies are. I've put maybe 120 hours on PS3, but i believe it is just a rendering issue. I've played Oblivion on PC 200+ hours and never seen anything like it. Also, you have a good voice for this. Subbed.
Great video! I wonder if myths like this are still possible, when hardcore gamers on twitch and youtube quickly play through everything within the first few days/weeks of release. On the one hand, I like videos like this, because I don't have as much time to play videogames anymore, but still love learning about the lore and world of TES. On the other hand, the more the videos go into the process of making the game and what unanswered questions all end up being the result of cut content or game-creation logistics, the less mystery remains... Still, great videos! Keep up the good work!
When I was younger I was actually so curious about Nerastarel's House I reached out to several of the developers responsible for Skingrad. Unfortunately I never heard back 😔 I suppose we will never know its origins
I adore the idea of there being a hidden Goblin Assassin in the files. I mean, after all, if you could see him in the files and know he exists, he wouldn't be a very good assassin.
I remember one time I loaded into the IC Waterfront and there was a small sack floating on the ground near a wall and when I looked inside there was a gray fox wanted poster and when I tried to loot it it crashed my game.
I think its just as likely the ID tag of the goblin assassin one might actually not be named Goblin Assassin. Even though the stuff in the creation engine is NORMALLY well organized, there's a few things that have weird classifications and are harder to spot, especially if its a triggered or scripted random spawn that doesn't have a natural placement block, or they do and just travel away from it
Fantastic video. :D Rumors and urban legends in video games are so fun, and I spent years of my life exploring them in Oblivion as a kid. I'm still waiting on a game to come out to hit me like Oblivion did.
I too miss that feeling - honestly, I absolutely loved the era of Oblivion, Fallout 3, and New Vegas. I love all these types of games but that specific era was like pinnacle for me. Maybe it was the age I was at the time or something… the fact the internet was a bit more Wild West. Some combo of all of it made it feel more magical. And - thank you for your kind words 🙂
@shadesofslay I couldn't agree more, my friend. My favorite era of gaming and the Internet as well! There was certainly a wildness and a whimsy to it, I agree. Bless, my friend!
I lean more to the theory that the giant chair is Umaril's. Yea, I know you mentioned it looks Imperial, but the Imperials are descended from the Nedes who were enslaved by Umaril and his people. Some of those Nedes could have been enslaved to be craftsmen, making furniture and after acquiring their freedom, they simply continued their craft and passed the design down through the ages. I guess what I am asking is does it look Imperial or does Imperial look Ayleid? That could still be an Ayleid built chair. As to your question why they would keep it, my response is may they couldn't get rid of it. Maybe Umaril put some kind of enchantment on it. We do have to fight and kill him during the Knights of the Nine quest line. It is heavily indicated that Umaril knew he'd be returning. So the appearance of that chair in the White-Gold Tower basement could be indicative of Umaril's return.
The massive double-take I did when you mentioned the necrophilia voicelines. I totally forgot! I kept thinking you meant "necromancy". I can't believe it
Ummm,,,,, Aacchuacthuahuathauallyllyy, it's speculated that Septimus Zero-Summed, which is what happens when you learn of the true nature of the world without the preparation necessary to achieve CHIM.
I found something on the xbox version, it was a island off to the far left of the map You had to go out of bounds at the mages guild through the floating paint brush glitch My uncle found it through hours of just exploring, he showed me how he found it It was a infinite ocean after you get so far, he had water walking boots on so he could speed through Well after a while floating bits of grass would appear and they allowed you to stand on them then after a while of walking on floating grass you come across a castle with a single door It led to like some debug map or something but it wouldnt let you out so I figured it was a leftover debug asset
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This is exactly what I needed tonight, thank you for keeping your upload schedule in-line with my sleep schedule, just as we previously discussed. Your payment will arrive shortly.
Ha! Glad the drop is timed well! I'm trying to decide how I'm gonna do the 2 vids a month thing. Will probs upload one late at night again this Fri, then switch to the once every 2 weeks... calendars fry my brain!
I love these types of old rumors. The amount of absolute BS that floated around forums back in the day was staggering and hilarious. Great video man, keep up the good work.
I love them too :) and, thank you!
Same. It's little rumors like these that really added to a game's feel and community.
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That’s what I’ve always appreciated about elder scrolls series. As the player you get first hand experience. Only for the next game, to set 100 years later, and the interpretation of the last game is taken completely out of context (or in the case of Skyrim, the thalmor, straight up took credit for the oblivion crisis ending). Also the books they write for the player to read are also not always true 😂
12:27 "When the game was new a host of rumors appeared but they were eventually disproven with the release of the construction set, allowing players to look behind the curtain." I'ma stop you right there, Chief.
Oblivion's Construction Set was available for download on RELEASE DAY, similar to how Morrorwind's PC release contained a disc for its Construction Set in the box. It wasn't until Fallout 3 that they started holding Construction Set/Creation Kit tools back until a period of time after retail release.
I suspect that it's because they were still butthurt that in the first couple days, an industrious modder had inspected all the 3D textures in Oblivion's textures.bsa file, and found that the body torso texture that Bethesda had added to support female outfits that show skin, had inexplicably been drawn anatomically correct. This modder then went into the Construction Set, found the record for the 3D Mesh used for the medieval perma-bra wearing torso that the game uses when female characters aren't wearing any outer clothing above the waist, and modded it to overwrite that' mesh's 3D texture with the bare skin texture from the .bsa. This was how Oblivion's first topless mod got released before the game was even a half week old.
Of course, the gaming media jumped on the story, and Bethesda countered with "Hey we can't be blamed for whatever 3D meshes third-party modders add into our game." The modder counter-countered with the fact that their mod consisted solely of a .esp file that was only a few KB large, and absolutely no new 3D Meshes or Textures, so it was using assets that shipped with the game. This was later proven correct by someone developing an Action Replay code for the X-Box version of Oblivion that duplicated the effect of the topless mod.
And this was hot on the heels of the GTA San Andreas Hot Coffee scandal that had previously prompted the Entertainment Software Ratings Board to issue a notice to game developers and publishers that when submitting video games to get their ESRB Rating, they were required to disclose ALL content on the game disc that's relevant to the rating, even cut content that's not supposed to be accessible through normal gameplay.
Since 2KGames distributed both GTA and Oblivion, the game was already on the ESRB's radar, and they asked 2K and Bethesda, "Hey, are you SURE you told us about EVERYTHING on the disc?" It was at that point Bethesda realized that they had maybe played down the blood and gore players may encounter during the Arena and Dark Brotherhood side quests, and put together a new video that more clearly showed the level of violence in the side quests. ESRB decided that Oblivion never should have been rated "T for Teen" and bumped it up to "M for Mature" with a few more content descriptors on the box. By that point, Bethesda had patched out the textures that started this whole mess, replacing them with Barbie Doll versions, so the "Nudity" descriptor was not required by the ESRB to be added.
The next game that Bethesda put out on what I call the ElderStarFall Engine was when they made the modding community wait to get an official Construction Set/Creation Kit tool, a practice they've adhered to ever since. Could be a coincidence, but the timing suggests otherwise. Not that this stops the modding community, who have their own third-party modding tools that they simply adapt from whatever the previous game in the series is. In fact the author of the topless mod had used a Morrowind-era BSA Extractor that had been updated to Oblivion's new file headers to extract the contents of ES:IV's textures.bsa.
(Yes, I know Bethesda has an official name for the engine, they change it every few years to try to hide the fact that it's simply been a series of incremental upgrades on top of the same tech that ran Morrowind.)
Great comment, and you're absolutely right. Wish I could hop in and amend the script a little to correct that mistake. I remember all the incidents you listed, of course, now that you've brought them up. Ever thought of making videos? You've got the core of a great one right here. Heck you've written half of a script already!
The engine isnt even theirs, its a modded gamebryo/netimmerse engine.
This made me hop back into Oblivion. Had to go explore the Unmarked Cave myself.
I can't wait to see you cover Morrowind! The urban legend / creepypasta that had everyone dead and told you to "Watch the Sky" always fascinated me growing up. It stuck with me even a decade onward.
I’m glad it got you back into the game! I’m excited to cover Morrowind as well!!
It's called Jvk1166z, if I'm not mistaken
Jvk1166z.esp would probably be perfectly possible to do with OpenMW lol
For some reason that creepy pasta scared the SHIT outta me when I was like 9.Maybe it's cause morrowind was already kinda uncanny at times with all the weird characters who never moved and all the weird things they would say,and of course the music provides a certain vibe.I just remember seeing a video on that creepy pasta and then playing morrowind and being hyper aware of every NPC that told me to watch the skies.When it happened like 3 times in an hour....I was scared shitless.
I can see how Sutch caused *Sutch* an amount of speculation...
Hahaha. I was tongue twisted with that!
It was in ESO.
Honestly, I kind of like the idea that Glarthir wasn't entirely wrong, except he was suspecting the wrong people for the wrong reasons. With his conspiracy theory sort of behavior, I could see him being watched just in case he stumbled across or "made up" evidence of the Count's vampirism. That or he was being watched by the guard because they were worried he might end up doing exactly what he ends up doing and it just made things worse.
Almost a sort of self fulfilling prophecy eh!
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That's a checklist I'm glad to live up to!
The oversized throne could have belonged to Morihaus, the Minotaur who was an emperor.
A very good observation - indeed, that could be the case!
I Know This is Kinda Nitpicky But
Morihaus Wasn't the Minotaur Emperor
It Was His and Alessia's Son, Belharza, Who Succeeded the Ruby Throne
@@lunatic3408 RIGHT Morihaus was the straight-up winged bull, right? I get him and his son mixed up in names.
@TheLoganM9 Yeah
Morihaus Was A Sometimes Human/Sometimes Bull Demigod
Some People Think That Makes Him a Minotaur But He Wasn't
He Was Either 100% Humanoid or 100% Bull
No Inbetween
@@lunatic3408 i wonder which one alessia preferred lol
Oblivion is one of my favorite games and this helped take me back to the good old days where the gaming community was much smaller. This era of Bethesda games were so vast, ambitious and buggy, it was always hard to tell what was intended, what wasn't, and what was leftover from development. Would love some more. Thanks.
Much more on the way :)
Great stuff, Shades!
The footage is so clean!
Cheers!! Gathering the footage is my favourite bit - especially with Oblivion, it’s so vibrant!
Never expected to see you here Mantis.
Holy shit it’s Mantis
37:03 in a time before mass media it was possible to not know what someone looked like in that kinda position. Im sure in the 1400's there were several peasants who knew they had a king/emperor but had not the slightest clue what they looked like. Portrat Paintings were uncomon and expensive so not knowing what the emperor looks like makes sense to me.
That's a pretty good point, I suppose.
While not Oblivion related, I had a very odd encounter with M'aiq in Skyrim where I came across him around a pile of bodies of imperial and stormcloak soldiers, where it looked like he just got done drinking the blood from one of them. It was very much a strange encounter.
Sounds like the start of a horror story!
May not be paranormal or anything but what you stumbled upon was two random encounter spawning at once in one spot, which is incredibly rare! Congratulations!
@@Nuniixothis. Maiq was probably just doing that "dead body check" animation that guards sometimes do.
Have you heard that he is in fact lorkhan, or at least the khajit avatar for lorkhan? They believe that after his heart was torn out and shot into the sea becoming red mountain, his body broken in half and throw into the sky(the two moons), yet still he did not die, for his soul took the form of a witty and clever khajit that was doomed to walk born forever playing tricks on the gullible and wise cracking something fierce.
Since he has been in every major elderscrolls since Morrowind it makes him immortal and thus fills the requirements. However lorkhan actually became shor after his heart was torn out, where he created sovengarde as a reward to the wandering elnofey that stood shoulder to shoulder with him against Trinimac. So M'aiq cant be him, unless lorkhan was fragmented in soul as well as in body. Even then the khajit notion of lorkhan is wrong as Vivec proved the original promise of lorkhan (build me nirn and you shall have a deadric realm where even a god, perfect and timeless can ascend) once assumed to have been a cruel trick was proven genuine all along when vivec reached Chim a Post-Divine state above the gods after communing with the heart of lorkhan and learning the cosmic truth of all things within the tower wheel. A lore based 4th wall break. Anyways M'aiq is still some sort of upper being though since he is older than a khajit could ever be(perhaps M'aiq also caught the corpus and scored a swift cure from the neraverine!
@GhostofJamesMadison I think Maiq is a Tom Bombadil type figure, but less removed from the world as a whole. He's not a god, he kind of just *is* and he enjoys appearing when big things are going down in the world, just to meet the people at the centre of events, for no reason but to take their measure in his own way by his own esoteric metrics.
I've always thought that the oversized items in the basement weren't actually oversized, but it was you that'd shrunk. Either actual physical transformation or an illusion.
Does that mean the guards are shrunk as well??
@@shadesofslay id assume its just. literally oversized items for Artistic purposes, showing off "look how opulent we are"
A personal theory is the repeat necrophilia charges were caused by The Hero of Kvatch having an insatiable thirst for vampire cheeks
This is what having Serana in skyrim did to oblivion fans retroactively...
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I had forgotten about this incident until you brought up the stories about the disappearing goblin and teleporting minotaur. When I was a kid, I remember running around the higher-class side of the imperial city when, out of nowhere, a golden saint runs up to some NPC and kills them and then gets taken out by the guards. Not really spooky, but I thought it was very strange, especially since I hadn't started the shivering isles on that character yet.
Bringing back memories eh! And - that’s exactly the kind of mad potential that makes me love these games even more.
Man since playin Oblivion in 2007, it has been one of my all time favourite games. Its definitely the vert first game I was fully immersed in, i truly felt entrenched in that game. The OST/Score, the ambient soundscape, the gameplay sound effects I can recall them all in my head so vividly, the menu navigation sounds. I always appreciate Oblivion deep dives, I hope u do more of this dawg coz I've subbed
I definitely will be :)
Now, this is what I love about this game. I've been playing for 17 years, and some of this is new knowledge to me! Excellent video. Keep it up!
Thank you - and will do!
I love that the picture of Kirkbride eating bead is the most appropriate picture of Kirkbride we have
Ha, yeah - I love that photo!
This is what makes Oblivion so much weirder than just the wacky NPCs and whatnot.
The wealth of scrapped/hidden lore and gameplay scattered everywhere can be interpreted in different ways... the sinister vs normal vs joking elements that make up parts of the game.
Whatever you want to call it, bugginess, jankiness, etc - it still lends to the intended scale of the game and Bethesda's creative ambitions
Absolutely - and I think, also, it creates that totally unique and charming vibe. Nothing else has ever managed it (I mean, no other developer has been able to create this particular flavour - and, in fact, not even Bethesda themselves have managed to totally replicate it - each of their games are variations on a theme, in this way).
I really love the theory that the Hero of Kvatch has come to being only in that jail. Thank you for telling it to us in the video! I'm really glad I've stumbled upon your channel :)
You’re welcome! And I’m glad you’ve stumbled across it too 🙂
this is so cozy and nice to listen to 🌸 you’re such a great storyteller !!
Thank you again, I really appreciate this 🙂 these are the vibes I’m really looking to provide!
Glarthir is the reason my character discriminated against wood elves. Now my mind is blown and maybe my character is the fucked up one.
All the male wood elves are a little off. Probably because, unlike the female ones, they look about hobbit size so develop a Napoleonic complex, hah. I love them all, they are all so quirky and funny. No wonder there are so many of them in the Shivering Isles. I wish instead of killing Glarthir I could have sent him there as well. He would feel right at home in the realm of madness.
Oooh, I feel bad for whatever video I clicked on before. Was getting settled in when I see in the top of my suggested "The Urban Legends Of Oblivion" And I physically cannot avoid clicking that. It's like, the perfect video for me to watch!
I guess it found the perfect audience, which is brilliant! :)
i was so surprised to see sutch included in the west weald area in eso, i had always known it was cut from oblivion but didnt think it was still canon to the lore
I love the deep cuts like this - I used to play ESO, may have to give it another go and explore the world again...
I distinctly remember a guard pulling me aside into dialogue and warning me to not encourage Glarthirs paranoia and to leave well alone.
There is also Sir Lazan in Skingrad; he never leaves his house ever and he tries to insult you when you talk to him, even challenging you to a duel.
Other townspeople will sometimes comment on this with rumours and some say they are sick of him.
If you go into his house you'll find 2 very odd things.
Firstly the floor is higher than it should be, in other words your character floats in mid air rather than standing on the ground.
Secondly, in his basement there is a take rat. It's non hostile unless you attack it.
But if you DO attack it it's actually ridiculously strong because it levels up with your character the whole time. At level 30+ it can actually kill high level players.
Great bit of detail there, thanks for sharing this!
Just got off my night shift and this is my go to video 😂 great vid bro keep it up( you also gained a new sub )
Love this! It's what I myself mostly use YT for as well - I stick on some fave lore video and chill, and then can sleep more easily!
YES YES some REAL gamer content. You made great vids, bro. We barely get urban legends and playground rumors in games anymore. Everything is immediately datamined and processed. I love these kinds of vids
Thank you! I will keep these types of videos coming!
Yeah, as useful as datamining is, it takes away half the magic of playing a game and then talking about it with friends. In movie terms, something like the multiple endings of Clue would be straight up impossible to pull off today
@@Nuniixo 100%!
19:49 considering how out of place the characters' behaviour would be to the npc norm, the character is most certainly mad.
I remember the innkeeper in chorrol has rumours about her doing dodgy stuff, and when you go in her inn’s basement, dungeon music plays. There’s nothing actually there though so maybe a cut quest.
More than likely!
I think that is confirmed cut content because of the rumour topic attached to it. Plus I don't think there's any actual quest associated with the chorrol inn in the base game.
i wonder if the dungeon music plays because the hero of kvatch expects some danger inside that place @@DriftedVisionMan
Woah dude, watched your NVG video the other day and this one came up, was under the impression you were a much bigger channel, love the production value, keep up the great work!
Still growing - will get there eventually! And thank you 🙂
i love that people are still making in depth content on these games in 2024
There’s so much to talk about 🙂
Glarthir's quest actully messed with my head. The first time I did the quest I ended up reporting him. Only for NPCs to comment his he "turned up dead" the next morning and emedietly it just set off every red flag in my brain.
I was just like "TF you mean he turned up dead!?". It was so specifically worded that I reloaded a previous save 100% convinced I'd missed something. As I was still fresh to the game and didn't really understand you had to have high affinity to unlock more info in diaologe.
Glarthir's quest really does have a way of getting under your skin...
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This was an excellent video. Felt like I was watching BBC2's Coast but in Cyrodiil. Thank you!
Thank you! I'm glad it had that chilled vibe!
This is so well done. It really captures that sense of mystery which makes Oblivion special. Thanks!
Thank you, really appreciate your kind words!
I love the fact Oblivion still lives on to this year... it's such a great and nostalgic game.. you just got a new sub, keep up the great content :)
Thank you :) the game lives forever with me.
It's truly one of the best games, no matter how outdated it may be :)
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Finally a youtuber with a funny accent that's also able to be understood! Love Oblivion, good video
Yep, I had to appear eventually!
Seriously my new favourite channel. You do amazing work
Thank you, that’s very kind of you!
Sutch is my favourite peice of cut content, it's so cool that you can visit it in ESO and that the devs over at ZOS included it and pay homage to the coimmunty's love for it.
I'm gonna have to dust off my ESO sub and explore it again...
omg please dont stop making these this was SO entertaining!!
I have MANY more to come, don't worry!
0:13 over the last couple of decades? No oblivion isn't that old. It only came out when I was a kid....realization then set in that I have my own kid and am, in fact, now old.
I felt that way when I was writing the script!
Based
Lol this hit hard
It hurts
Literally me
About the Beef topic. There are cows in Elder Scrolls- you can find them in Elder Scrolls 2 Daggerfall. So more than likely, the cows are bred and kept as livestock in High Rock- where the beef is shipped to all corners of Tamriel.
And to add on, Bretons are highly skilled in Magics- So they probably use extensive frost magics to keep the beef preserved during the shipping process
Cyrodiil is like the perfect environment for cows though! It's crazy!
This is a great video topic... I've spent so much time in tamriel through the years, I feel like it's a real place...
I feel the same!
Couriers in Oblivion? I don't think Tamriel could survive the chaos that would ensue...
*Takes a sip from your trusty Vault 13 canteen*
Ha! LOVE this.
I've had the Minotaur teleport behind me in the Arena too !
Thank you so much for your work, it was a pleasure to listen to your voice while doing boring chores in the house
That pesky Minotaur eh! And no problem, I'm glad it helped pass the time :)
"Erm... He's right behind me isn't he?"
@@GrimmDawn8487 😆
Ohhh let's gooo! The absolute legend dropped a new vid!
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So... about the Champion himself
He is a Shezarin. Not from the start, but he becomes one during The Knights of the Nine main storyline as he mantels someone who was already Shezarin
But, here where an interesting connection comes in:
Sheogorath is described in one of the books as "Sithis-shaped hole"
And so the Champion (who is the avatar of Shezar, who is an aspect of Lorkhan, a direct creation of Sithis) steps in place of Sheogorath, "filling" the Sithis-shaped hole
I think the oversized artifats are remnants of the second emperor Belharza, who was a minotaur. Son of Morihaus and Alessia
Yeah, someone else was saying this as well!
Really in depth, well made video! Just subbed yesterday, and I gotta say, I love the content. I adore Oblivion so much, it’s been my favourite game forever! I’ve watched so many videos on cut content and secrets and that kinda stuff in the game, and yet I still saw some things I’d never seen before here!! That’s the real magic of the game, somehow, there’s always more to discover. Thanks! ❤
You're most welcome - I'm hoping the continuing uploads have surprises for you as well!
I did NOT go into this video expecting the oblivion pc to possibly be a necrophile. Great video
Dude you have a very relaxing and chill tone of voice. This video has a nice ambient vibe.
Thank you :) I'm glad you enjoy the vibe!
In my restless dreams, I see that place. A voice breaks the silence. "Well met."
The theory for the deep ones I personally subscribe to is that they're powerful Daedra connected to Molag Bal. He did invade Cyrodil so it's not too unlikely that some of his stronger minions could be sealed away there. Also Etira Moslin will have a disposition of 100 if you approach her as a vampire, and Molag Bal is the creator of Vampires.
Almost like Balrogs in Tolkien…
Really good video, im an oblivion nerd so it makes me happy to see people still making videos about it
Glad you enjoyed it :)
I dont know how many of these you read. But ill tell you something, I found this video due to youtubes recommendations (i frequent lore videos and bethesda content) and i enjoyed this one a lot, i went and watched your New vegas video the most recent one about the same topic. and it was also very good. I see the large time gap between your recent videos and the fallout 3 And i have to say your videos have immensely improved, these recent videos are great on their own and a huge jump in quality from the older content i skimmed, i hope you see your own growth and keep making more
I read everything and at this stage I can still manage to respond to everything - that’ll get harder if the channel grows a lot more of course! So I’m glad you sent this now so I did get a chance to see it easily! I appreciate you taking the time to tell me you noticed this - yep, I had a combo of some minor health issues and also thought I might take some time to recalculate what I was doing… and it does seem to have worked, on my return - which I’m immensely pleased about! I do think life is all about growth and change and adapting, so yeah it’s been a bit of a journey so far and will continue to be! To me the audience is the most important thing - that, and my authentic love for this stuff. No hustle, just content - and making sure it gets better and better! Thank you for this, I really appreciate it. ❤️
I'd actually love to see just a remaster (not a remake) with the game including all of the cut content! If they did remaster it I'd love if they also fixed some problems but also include the ability to play the game in it's original form but with the upscale.
Another banger, keep up the good work Shades!!
Thank you - I'll do my best!
The last couple of decades,,, my back... it hurts.
Loved the video about Sir Pratchett. And this is such a great video idea im looking forward to this
Hope you enjoy :)
Very cozy video. This era of gaming was the absolute golden age of rumor-spreading, a blend of schoolyard gossip and the limitless power of the emerging internet.
Cozy - I'm glad you felt that vibe! Big part of what I'm going for!
absolute kino, never even played oblivion but this hits the spot
I’m glad to hear it 😁
Literally go download it for free anywhere any pc can run it on Max settings
Too be honest, the skingrad house could have been orginal tied too the mages guild questline and abandonded for various reasons. It was always kind of weird too me that we met his steward in a random part of a field outside the city and not somewhere more private. Also weird that the count would leave his castle like that where he could possibly be seen.
Could well have been!
Really good watch. I didn't know about quite a few of these despite playing through Oblivion multiple times.
Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
39:39 this will happen and is easily re-creatable. If they get stuck the game tries to move the enemy to the player's location. Doing the paintbrush glitch and going high enough up is the easiest way to do it. Guards will teleport too
I'm loving this series from you.
Keep it up my good man.
Thank you - I'm having a lot of fun making it too! Skyrim and Fallout 4 on the way soon!
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Myself and others have fun watching.
And I look forward to the upcoming videos.
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@@shadesofslay 👍
Will always be one of my favourite games! Can’t wait for the skyblivion remake! Oblivion storyline with Skyrim mechanics yes please 🎉
I'm stoked to give it a go as well! But will always love the OG charm!
tbh the "HoK being created to inhabit the prison" has grown on me. a hero created by divine intervention is cool.
I think it's a cool idea as well! :)
A nice bit of unintentional wordplay comedy at 6:20:
SOS: "But for me, the absolute coolest piece of cut content of Oblivion is such. What is it?"
Viewer: I don't know! You were telling me!
Def unintentional haha!
Hard to believe you missed the Anvil Mermaid, that was all the rage on GameFAQs back in the day.
Indeed, I wasn't aware of that story - must have missed it somehow even back in the day. I may do a follow up with anything I've missed...
I miss the days of gaming before the internet, everything felt so unique and mysterious, so many old games had these type of rumors or myths about them, and you'd talk about it with your friends and just end up generating even more rumors from it, games have no mystique to them when you can just google everything
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I also remember finding evidence that Glarthir was indeed being plotted against although I don't remember what it was. The game however does not allow you to solve the issue without a murder spree which really devaluates the quest, causing me to never even start it.
I did it again recently myself. And same boat, I can't remember exactly what stage it was in the quest that tipped me off but there was absolutely something sus and it kinda hurt me to have to put down Glarthir. But my character rationalized it as being an inevitable outcome
Great video! Crazy to learn new stuff about one of my favorite games 10+ years later
Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Just seeing your responsiveness and level of eye for detail let me know not even 10 min in I needed to sub. W
Thank you - and, I hope I can keep up the replies as the channel grows!
Outstanding work !
Thank you :)
Long-winded but very interesting video pal thank you 🥺
You are welcome! I can be pretty long winded, to be fair!
@shadesofslay I can too tbh 🥺
When I was a kid, on TES forums where I was hanging out there used to be a rumour that you can save Lucien Lachance. If you visit him in the Applewatch at a very specific moment, you can save him and he won't die! And if you did all of this and he still dies, you weren't fast enough, and it's your own fault. People even shared their screenshots of happy alive Lucien, to prove that they saved him. And I, as a little child, believed them :(
I wish he could have been saved! I absolutely love Lucien!!
and it's laid to rest in skyrim
I cant imagine a more “hell yeah” video yet tbh
I've had the "teleporting" Enemy happen. It happened on PS3 twice. Both outdoors near dungeons where enemies are. I've put maybe 120 hours on PS3, but i believe it is just a rendering issue. I've played Oblivion on PC 200+ hours and never seen anything like it. Also, you have a good voice for this. Subbed.
Thank you, I really appreciate that :)
Great video! I wonder if myths like this are still possible, when hardcore gamers on twitch and youtube quickly play through everything within the first few days/weeks of release. On the one hand, I like videos like this, because I don't have as much time to play videogames anymore, but still love learning about the lore and world of TES. On the other hand, the more the videos go into the process of making the game and what unanswered questions all end up being the result of cut content or game-creation logistics, the less mystery remains...
Still, great videos! Keep up the good work!
Thank you - and yep that’s the thing isn’t it! Knowing kills mystery, but mystery is so tantalising.
Absolutely brilliant piece of work.
Thank you, I appreciate that :)
a random whatever-arrine appearing in a cell exactly when he needs to be to meet the emperor and start on his quest is very TES tbh
100%!
When I was younger I was actually so curious about Nerastarel's House I reached out to several of the developers responsible for Skingrad. Unfortunately I never heard back 😔 I suppose we will never know its origins
Whatttt that's so cool you reached out! Shame you never heard anything back!
Great video. Hope your channel explodes with new subs.
Thanks, much appreciated! And we shall see what happens eh - it's definitely going in a good direction!
I adore the idea of there being a hidden Goblin Assassin in the files. I mean, after all, if you could see him in the files and know he exists, he wouldn't be a very good assassin.
Love this. Meta narrative!
I remember one time I loaded into the IC Waterfront and there was a small sack floating on the ground near a wall and when I looked inside there was a gray fox wanted poster and when I tried to loot it it crashed my game.
I think its just as likely the ID tag of the goblin assassin one might actually not be named Goblin Assassin. Even though the stuff in the creation engine is NORMALLY well organized, there's a few things that have weird classifications and are harder to spot, especially if its a triggered or scripted random spawn that doesn't have a natural placement block, or they do and just travel away from it
I'd just be curious to know exactly what it was they'd seen!
Urban Legends of Skyrim next?👀 great video btw!
Should be ready next Friday or the Friday after!
Fantastic video. :D Rumors and urban legends in video games are so fun, and I spent years of my life exploring them in Oblivion as a kid. I'm still waiting on a game to come out to hit me like Oblivion did.
I too miss that feeling - honestly, I absolutely loved the era of Oblivion, Fallout 3, and New Vegas. I love all these types of games but that specific era was like pinnacle for me. Maybe it was the age I was at the time or something… the fact the internet was a bit more Wild West. Some combo of all of it made it feel more magical. And - thank you for your kind words 🙂
@shadesofslay I couldn't agree more, my friend. My favorite era of gaming and the Internet as well! There was certainly a wildness and a whimsy to it, I agree.
Bless, my friend!
@@Sanguivore I'm gonna keep trying to recapture it in these videos ♥
@@shadesofslay And succeeding, might I add! ;D
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I lean more to the theory that the giant chair is Umaril's. Yea, I know you mentioned it looks Imperial, but the Imperials are descended from the Nedes who were enslaved by Umaril and his people. Some of those Nedes could have been enslaved to be craftsmen, making furniture and after acquiring their freedom, they simply continued their craft and passed the design down through the ages. I guess what I am asking is does it look Imperial or does Imperial look Ayleid? That could still be an Ayleid built chair. As to your question why they would keep it, my response is may they couldn't get rid of it. Maybe Umaril put some kind of enchantment on it. We do have to fight and kill him during the Knights of the Nine quest line. It is heavily indicated that Umaril knew he'd be returning. So the appearance of that chair in the White-Gold Tower basement could be indicative of Umaril's return.
I never did play oblivion. Still, your calm editing and lovely accent puts me at ease. I like your videos a lot c:
Thank you, I appreciate that :) time to chill, time to listen, no hustle - just content
I had never heard of the theory that the player character doesn't exist before being in the prison cell, pretty interesting.
Oblivion really is the coziest game ever made
It truly is
Cmon this is too perfect 😢 I’ll stick around for longer
Glad to hear it :)
The massive double-take I did when you mentioned the necrophilia voicelines. I totally forgot! I kept thinking you meant "necromancy". I can't believe it
It’s kinda crazy that it was mentioned 😂
glad youtube al recommendationed this to me. really good content
Thank you - I'm glad it did too :)
Chim is what is alleged to happen to Septimus in Skyrim after unlocking the dwarven puzzle box with the Ohgma in it.
I need a bit of CHIM in my life
Ummm,,,,, Aacchuacthuahuathauallyllyy, it's speculated that Septimus Zero-Summed, which is what happens when you learn of the true nature of the world without the preparation necessary to achieve CHIM.
So the Hero of Kvatch is either an immaculate conception or a necrophiliac. What a concept.
Hilarious when you put it like that!
I found something on the xbox version, it was a island off to the far left of the map
You had to go out of bounds at the mages guild through the floating paint brush glitch
My uncle found it through hours of just exploring, he showed me how he found it
It was a infinite ocean after you get so far, he had water walking boots on so he could speed through
Well after a while floating bits of grass would appear and they allowed you to stand on them then after a while of walking on floating grass you come across a castle with a single door
It led to like some debug map or something but it wouldnt let you out so I figured it was a leftover debug asset
To clarify it was a single watch tower thing like at the corner of castles on a single island just kinda pulled out from the bottom of the ocean
Thanks for sharing this - I may have to try and give this a go in a future video!
Bout to tcl in the Anvil mages guild and see what I can find.