The PROBLEM with a GROUNDED Batman
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Batman has had more theatrical adaptations than any other DC Comics character, but we've reached a point where most recent portrayals focus on street-level, 'realistic' takes that shy away from the more fantastical elements of his mythos. Whether it's Bat-Family characters like Nightwing, Red Hood, Batgirl, or Damian Wayne, recent films have only focused on an early-career Batman. Case in point: The Dark Knight Trilogy and Matt Reeves' The Batman. However, James Gunn's DCU will mark the first time in over twenty years that Robin will return to the big screen. We did see a somewhat fantastical Batman in the DCEU/Zack Snyder universe, where he fought alongside the Justice League, but that was short-lived. There's so much potential in exploring Batman's interactions with Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern. Some of the best adaptations that successfully incorporate Batman's fantastical elements include the Batman: Arkham games and the DC Animated Movie Universe (DCAMU).
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How can he be grounded when he doesn't have parents?
Yo that was foul 😭🙏
Alfred.
You corny
GG
His parents are very grounded
I wish films would take inspiration from the Arkham games, which is both dark and gritty but also isn’t afraid to use the more fantastical members of his rogues gallery.
arkham games are so peak im currently platinuming arkham asylum
Ive seen poeple say that the arkham games are grounded like wtf no they arent
The Arkham series is my favorite iteration of Batman to any audiovisual medium. That series simply _gets_ Batman, and doesn't try to subvert him or anything while still doing its own thing with the character.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Are those "people" in the room with us rn? Or are you just yelling at clouds here?
“bUut those are vidya gaems!”
^I assume that’s what these Hollywood movie directors will think of that pitch, same goes for comic books.
“only kids read kamic books!”
^These Hollywood elites have a very narrow mind, thinking only a scriptwriter can create great stories to tell. They think of mediums like Video games and Comic books as lowly forms of art.
That’s why we have Matt Reeves stealing from David Fincher’s two great movies ‘Se7en’ and ‘Zodiac’ to create ‘The Batman’. He was ashamed of Batman using his cape to glide, he was ashamed of The Penguin’s real name. He transformed The Riddler into a Zodiac Killer knock-off. Same goes for Todd Phillips, he stole from Martin Scorsese’s ‘Taxi Driver’ and ‘The King of Comedy’ to create The Joker (2019).
Give me killer croc, clayface, poison ivy, mr freeze, man-bat and comic accurate
Ra’s al ghul.
Right also give me Bats outsmarting everyone,knows every martial art known to man,beats the shit out of goons and throws them on the other side of the room and adopted 4 boys(One of whom is his bio son) and taught them how to fight like Soldiers but also from a place of love😂
@@Kalel2.0Well, yes, give me all of that as well as the man who is a STEM master.
Amd comic accurate Bane 🔥
poison ivy is a hero now so
@@BusterBarnescomic accurate *anybody* would be nice
Idk why no one does a mix of a Grounded Batman and a Fantastical Batman.
Start off as him fighting Mobsters and Insane Criminals then little by little introduce Meta Human, Supernatural Villains, and Aliens.
That's how the comics progressed with the long Halloween. Wished they went with that approach
We had that with Ben Affleck's Batman
@@91MoonKnight
No it didn't.
It literally began with Batman V Superman with him fighting a super powered Alien.
Batfleck was visually great as an adaptation but writing and Character wise, his version of Batman was ass.
@@lordraiden7397
God we need to become Millionaires so we can make proper adaptations of the stuff we love man.....
Just give us Arkham Batman in live action.
The first mistake is believing that a guy wearing a bat suit was somehow grounded
& that's after him being a billionaire w a heart of gold
@@from2100 that’s also pretty not grounded too
@@mlgodzilla4206 exactly lol
@@mlgodzilla4206 spider man can be grounded
@@yarc9Raimi found a way to balance campiness and groundedness. These directors could learn a thing or 2 from him. Also, I think he would be a great director of a Batman movie.
It's annoying that these hollywood directors are so ashamed of the more fantastical aspects of these characters
All you get these days is CGI slop. What are you even talking about
Yeah, they don't respect the character or his history.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Film makers have rarely respected comic books and have often been embarrassed they were making a comic book movie. They do all kinds of things like changing the characters costumes to make them more realistic, see all the black leather of early 2000's movies. Or changing characters lore to do away with the more fantastic elements.
@@matane2465they did respect it by making Batman journey. Well written comics are too Inconsistent
Tell me about it. Say that to Roland Emmerich and that iguana he wanted us to believe was Godzilla.
Grounded Batman really limits his storytelling and rogue's he can go up against
B-but you don't get it, these directors are making reeeeeal art, not childish stories for little kids.
/s
The batman is the first batman movie where he doesn't fight any of his villains and even if he did in the sequels what would they do? He wears a literal plot armor
@@C.R.Cole331 all he did was chase penguin, grab falcone and his only challenge was a group of riddler redditors with guns 💀. But i hope the third movie has him being hunted by the court of owls, like he gets goons and that but once the owls appear and they are very much like him that is gonna go big.
@@inendlesspain4724 all they do is take crime stuff and have a guy dressed like a bat. Seven, the zodiac killer, the sopranos, the king of comedy, taxi driver, new york new york. The penguin is literally a copy of tony soprano but with a weird feet and scars, they even took away his british accent to do an italian one.
@@anakinskywalker2142it’s almost like the film wanted to show he wasn’t perfect as he is new to being Batman. How are you gonna expect him to fight villains when they aren’t even established yet into the story. The Batman is a introduction to a whole saga, you just gotta give it time
Why the 4 Arkham games are my goats. Perfect blend.
Hard to ground a guy wearing a batsuit with pointy ears
It works with spider man
@@yarc9 is it? In Sam Raimi’s films, he fought a crazed dude that was injected with practically super soldier serum, a guy with 4 robot arms, a dude who can turn into a giant sand monster, and an alien from outer space. In the Amazing Spider-Man films, he fought a giant lizard and a man made of pure electricity. In MCU, he fought a salvage crew boss who made an armored wing suit, some dude with hyper-realistic CGI, and all those previous villains minus the alien.
In what world is that grounded?
@@alexanderchristopher6237Yeah, they've done a good job with Spiderman by making him both campy and grounded. I think the MCU is when they went too far in the campy direction.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 Most of those villains can be explained through modern science and technology like steroids , stem cells , drones , cybernetic prosthetics and animal human hybrids . all the best movies and TV shows are based in reality they just exaggerate it !
Grounded not necessaraly means realistic. It means making a story that things has more depth and makes more sense inside that fictional story, including unbelievable parts. For example, The Boys is a grounded show, because it plays with the idea of how super heroes would be if they are depicted as actual people from the "real world", giving a lot of depth to the characters and humanizing them, along with trying to make sense of all the fantastical without sacrificing the use of super powers, extra gore and absurd situations. The Punisher, a single man ending a bunch of crime families without being stopped, is unbelievable as fuck but they create the illusion for us to seem that is realistic, because is a crazy normal military guy just shooting crooks. That logic that Reeves used on his movie. The idea of Batman is absurd itself but it has grounded aspects to it that he worked on it, and thats the fun part
Ever since Joel Schumacher’s Batman and Robin and Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Trilogy, everyone has been trying so hard to one up themselves on how grounded Batman should be and are basically afraid of a fantastical Batman because they don’t want to run the risk repeating the same mistake Batman and Robin did.
Slightly off topic, but they even based the DCEU banking off the success of The Dark Knight Trilogy with Man of Steel who had Christopher Nolan as a producer alongside Zack Snyder until it went on to fully be Zack Snyder’s thing entirely. That’s how scared they were. Trying to make everything like Batman.
Can't wait for the next movie. Where batman is just some crazy guy who gets hit by a stray bullet in the first 10 minutes. And the rest of the movie is just in the hospital. Only for him to flatline.
I agree but just cause one movie that was a glorified Toy Commercial missed the mark on the fantastical side of Batman doesnt mean aspects of that side of him should be ignored or toned down
Agreed it’s an overcorrection of Schumacher’s errors
@@HyperionStars I understand that the movie didn’t do well, but it’s been two decades now. It’s like they still see it with shame like a bastard child and everything it represents.
@@orhanamin1347 dude, just move on already. Zack certainly has, which is why he doing stuff for Netflix now.
In my opinion, Batman needs to be less realistic and more fantastical. When you take into account his history, Bruce as a character shouldn’t really be grounded because it downplays what he’s capable of. Look at Ben Affleck, he’s the best looking Batman in film and he’s the best with physicality. I want the dcu Bruce to be a master martial artist, gymnast, acrobat and detective, I want to see Bruce actually use his legs, do back flips, do somersaults, roundhouse kicks. Ben was the only Batman that felt like he actually could live in a world with Superman, flash, Wonder Woman, gods, aliens, supernatural stuff and etc… I want a Batman that’s tall and buff, that’s fighting the real bane that’s Hispanic and using the actual venom serum. I want a joker that fell into the vat of acid and it turned his skin white and his hair green, I want a poison ivy that has green skin and can control plants, I want a Mr freeze that’s in the suit and has the big red goggles and the big freeze gun and have where he can only survive in sub zero temperatures. I liked the dark knight trilogy and even the Matt reeves movie, but I’m tired of grounded/realistic Batman. Batman is not supposed to be realistic, he’s supposed to be a peak human. Case in point, I want comic book Batman🤷♂️
@@orhanamin1347 All terrible hashtags, if anyone will give us this comic batman whose more fantastical it would be James Gunn, snyder had more than enough chances and simply didnt understand batman beyond the aesthtics, all we had was the punisher in a batsuit who suddenly is best buds on a first name basis with a guy he tried to kill for most of the time he knew him, so glad the dceu is done, it had its highs and lows but it died because it wasnt good enough.
@@orhanamin1347 lol no, those hashtags are awful. James Gunn is most likely to give us the true Batman we want. It already looks like he'll be giving us the true Superman.
poison ivy is a hero now
Exactly, campiness and fantastical elements are part of his history. Ignoring that completely means never portraying a truly accurate version. Limiting the character.
yea but making a fantastical live action batman movie where he foghts meta humans with just his gadgets and skills is also insanely goofy and ridiculous, the grounded batman movies have made the charachter more interesting and with more depth and humanity, I hope gunn balances both instead of just fantastical or grounded, somehow make it fantastical with superpowered villains but also humanize the charachter and make him interesting at the same time and not have him beat every single villain just because he's batman
Just give me a Batman movie with Clayface 🙏
But it's the one in the suit that can't help it when he turns people into mud
İn this mindset Clayface only be a mobster that wearing a clay mask and drowning people in cement.
@@TheJanissary90nahhhh😭😭
@@TheJanissary90 or they could just make him a really good actor, a master of disguise, but more realistic, no meta powers. Similar to comic clayface, although he would need a new motivation, or plot device that would cause him to be a villain, or just make him a clearly evil selfish entitled rich elite etc., you know like most celebrities or actors nowadays
@user-yj4vs1xh7k so Chameleon from Spiderman?
I knew things were going well when directors and "show runners" were saying things like "I wanted to make my Star Wars", or "I never read Lord of the Rings,"
The worst part is when studios actively seek out these people and tell them not to do prior research anyway.
@@SecretMagicianand then those same directors tell people working on the films not to do research.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp then when the show gets bombed, they blame the fans for not liking it.
@@snake7440 yup, these people never learn.
Have Reeves make the noir grounded Batman with villains like Hugo Strange or court of owls
The DCU could embrace Batman "comic side" and have villains like Ivy, Clayface, mr freeze...
I’d also like manbat and killer croc.
Best way to do it. We’ll have the more grounded Batman with The Batman and more fantastical Batman with James Gunn’s Batman Brave and the Bold.
Ivy would be fun and so would Clayface
And have deathstroke in it as well because he's the only one who hasn't fought batman in live action yet
@@robertdavies6630 no. Keep Deathstroke out of it. Deathstroke is not a Batman villain! He's a Titans Villain! Strike that he's a Nightwing Villain! Seriously that will only further demote Dick Grayson back to sidekick by turning his villain into yet another in Bruce's infinite catalog, the whole reason for Dick becoming Nightwing and spending more time with the Titans was to show that he was no longer Bruce's sidekick and had his own life, supporting cast and bad guys, he's not Batman Jr like WB and DC keep insisting he is. If you need someone who hasn't fought Batman yet...just properly use Firefly for real this time, Manbat, Killer Croc or Ventriloquist. It would make more sense.
I think the main issue all these adaptations are missing is that a major trait of Batman is that while he is a more or less grounded character, the world he inhabits is not. Big part of the character's appeal is to see a relatively normal person having to deal with crazy, abnormal out-of-this-world threats as much as he has to deal with street-level crime. One day he'll be fighting drug lords who take advantage of the pains of the lower class and the next one he'll be traveling to the other side of the galaxy to deal with a despot making superhuman aliens fight each other for sport.
I love how all the discourse around grounded Batman is like "We don't want grounded Batman anymore... let Matt Reeves cook though."
Yeah, I was honestly bored with The Batman and Penguin is just a show about the criminal world. They couldn't even commit to giving Penguin his name. Reeves is ashamed of these characters and the world.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Nah I disagree. I think Matt loves the comics. Look I’m sure all us comic fans have our ideas for Elseworlds where things are different. That’s what Matt’s doing. He’s not doing the Todd Phillips thing where he’s using the brand just to get people to see his idea that nobody would care about otherwise.
@rakoonshampoo2608 Matt is only interested in gritty and grounded depiction of the character. He doesn't like the character in his entirety. He doesn't like the campy side. He's only focusing on specific aspects of the character. And even with the Penguin show, it's just a show about the criminal underworld. You could easily take away the DC references just like Todd Phillips Joker. He didn't even use Penguin's actual name because he thought it was too silly.
@@rakoonshampoo2608
"I think Matt Reeves loves the comics.".
JonTron: "Excuse me! Whaaat?!".
@@Optimegatrongodzillamatt reeves loves the comics
As great things as grounded Bats has brought us like the Nolan Trilogy and so far Reeves Batman Universe i feel feel it benches and gets rid of aspects that makes Batman so special like the sidelining of the Batfamily for almost 30 years and villains like Clayface and Killer Croc as well as borrowing elements from the same storylines like Year One and the Long Halloween over and over
I mean. Killer croc isn't that bizarre. He's just a big guy with a skin condition. It's just that stories go all in on the crocodile aspects.
"he's not a crodile man, he just has a skin condition that gives him rough skin.
And claws
And sharp teeth
And slit pupils
And a snout
And a tail."
Well we did have batfleck and killer croc in the same film
@@orhanamin1347Oh stuff your dead, failed universe's hashtags where the sun don't shine already
@@somethingclever4297 And the ability to grow back cut limbs and become larger and stronger the more physical trauma he endures.
Still human though, he just has a completely random mutation.
@@orhanamin1347 cry about it, lil' bro, Hack Snyder's never coming back
Lets hope james gunn pulls through i want batman being dragged building by building by manbat using a grappling hook in the next dcu batman movie
@@orhanamin1347 my guy its over
@@Totalnikkadeathlmao this guys gotta be a bot
@@orhanamin1347snyderverse ain't coming back lil bro but it's okay you can keep being delusional.
Anyone seeing this please report @orhanamin1347 for misinformation
@@orhanamin1347bro ur a cultist wtf are this trends
We've gotta stop trying to convince ourselves that comic book characters could exist in our world. They can't. That's why they're special.
I hope dcu Batman is more fantastical
@@orhanamin1347 ben affleck would’ve died making that movie but you losers don’t care about that as long as you get your shitty movie
@@orhanamin1347 it’s never gonna happen, but keep spamming hashtags if it makes you feel better
@@orhanamin1347 womp womp dead universe is never coming back keep crying 😂😂
You miserable as hell bro lol@@JP-sq4ux
Batman could be 30-36:
he was around 19 when he began training, knocked up Talia around that time and was 25 when his mission began.
Damian should be 11-13 in this first one, so he’ll be in his early 30’s when the brave and the bold began. But then you’d have to account for
The other robins, so I think 35 is best, 10 years is enough to age up nightwing and red hood. If they wanna fit in tim and Barbra they could
Batman banging talia pre costume is a bit odd tho
That checks out
@@MILDMONSTER1234Its honestly the only way to keep him young while still making sense of Damian being that age and believable of the other Robin's coming along before him
I think he'll be around 35-38. Brandon Sklenar is my point
Ignoring the bot here, I think Batman could be between 33-39.
Batman Forever was a huge success
Not critically
@@capitaokanalha6186 yes it was
@@capitaokanalha6186 yes it was
Love Batman Forever. Still has some of the best Batman fight scenes.
You're most likely going by stuff that you heard online that people have said about Batman forever being a quote on quote "failure" Batman forever was a huge success when it first came out in 1995 it beat Jurassic Park in box office numbers And it made a lot of money at the box office Go back and watch some fan reactions from 1995 there was a lot of Batman fans at the time That enjoyed Batman forever how I know that is because I Saw it myself when the movie came out at the time most of all the hate is just from people online who think it's the worst Batman movie of all time because of the online echo chamber. @@capitaokanalha6186
I love Colin Farrell’s Penguin, but it’s strange that he was made Italian for a few reasons:
-Irish actor
-Penguin usually has an upper class/posh accent, even the American versions
-His friggin’ name is British
-He’s supposed to be the desperate remnant of a wealthy family, clinging to a status they don’t have anymore
But where do they say it's Italian?
@guti7311 he is American-Italian in matt reves batman universe
I just want a more fantastical in live action…GIVE ME AN 10ft mud man who can shape shift…I want a 8ft ripped alligator man who wrestles and eats people, Give me A Sexy plant lady who controls Giant Plants Plz
Oh and one more thing give me a Joker who ACTUALLY FALLS INTO ACID AND IS BLEACH WHITE SKIN etc Thx 🙏 😅
I want a Joker who actually has a good sense of humour.
@@purplespectre fr
Exactly. Every Joker nowadays is just a Heath derivative.
Yes!
@@TheSsjJoker People probably won’t like it, but I actually really like the clown style makeup from the 2019 movie. I’d love to see a design that combines comic joker with that clown style makeup. Especially if the chemicals seriously scarred his skin and made him look kinda gross.
Personally the one issue I’ve always had with Batman is just how obvious it is that writers love him. He always has to be the one on the spotlight. It awfully comes off like the only way Batman can remain relevant is to just make him superhuman while claiming he’s just a man.
Batman’s appeal to me has always been that despite standing amongst gods, he’s clearly not one of them. But the insane feats he has brings that into question.
Sokka from Avatar is how I wish writers treated Batman. He’s outmatched by every one of his friends. Hell even the non benders like Suki and Ty Lee could probably beat him easily. But that’s not why he’s needed. He doesn’t need to be a heavy hitter. It’s his tactical mind and ability to stay moral that make him valuable.
Things like punching Flash, evading Superman’s superhearing or Omega Beams and being the best fighter ruin Batman for me. Writers need to stop making Batman the best at literally everything.
Amen to that dude. You summed up why I've kind of started dislike Batman.
Batman isn't a street level character. He's not only grounded. He's a mix of campy and gritty. He's a complex character with multiple aspects to him. Denying an entire side of the character is limiting the character and only focusing on some aspects. Holding him back. Directors need to learn from Raimi who was able to balance Spiderman as both campy and grounded. Start thinking more like the cartoons that have given us the most iconic depictions of these characters. They DCAU is written mature but still accessible to children.
Please don’t get rid of Tim and Jason and use pre new 52 Tim not 52 bro
Dare I ask what they did to him in New 52?
@@thephantomoftheparadise5666 they made him bisexual and shelf our boy
Made him gay 🙄🤦🏽♂️
@@WeebGuru6That’s Rebirth- Present Tim. New-52 was the one where they made him have a batman obsession and he didn’t become even Robin but a sidekick to the original Robin mantle.
@@ebenezeronile that’s still bad bruh hence why I say pre new 52 cuz after that garbage
3:43 When I saw the Robin costume, I'm going to be honest, I got a little excited because I thought "Oh that's Jason! We're going to do Death in the Family or Under the Red Hood. Those stories actually fit the Synderverse dark and gritty tone. Maybe we'll get Nightwing or Tim Drake-" Nope.
Zach Synder specifically said that the Robin that died was Dick Grayson. And my expectations dropped so fast. If the director is too scared to use Dick Grayson, then that means he's too scared to use Jason, Tim, or Damian. And if he's scared of the Robins, then he's scared to use any of the Batgirls. And since Dick Grayson is the leader of the Titans, that means there'd be no Titans because it means acknowledging all the other young heroes/former sidekicks. That's a lot of characters to bench for your 'expanded universe'.
It's almost like 'grounded' superhero is code for 'we're embarrassed that we're adapting a whimsical genre'.
And here I am still asking for a live action Batman Beyond movie…
I can't stand directors, producers, & writers who are ashamed of the fantastical elements of these properties and/or don't care about being true to the source material! People like that should stay the f@@@ away from our beloved IPs and create their own!
Grounded Batman stories are fucking great and are some of his best stories, however the problem like you said is the lack of variety. We need more varied mainstream representations of the character in film. Even the Long Halloween which is a more grounded stakes detective story if filled with fantastical gothic elements of his mythos. A good balance would be nice to see.
I get it but when Robin hasn't been beside Batman in 25+ years of live action movies... especially since the character was introduced in 1939 that is a problem
The more "realistic" they try to make Batman, the more outlandish & ridiculous the concept becomes.
When you break Batman down to its very core, it sounds like one of the most ludicrous concepts for a franchise: A man dresses up in a knock-off Superman suit with a cape shaped like bat wings & a cowl with bat ears stuck onto it for the express purpose of scaring the crap out of criminals, his side kick is his adopted son whose costume is one of the most colorful & garish outfits a superhero could wear, & some of his biggest threats are a man in clown makeup, a man with physical abnormalities that make him look like an aquatic bird, a man who wears suits laden with question marks from head to toe & is obsessed with riddles, & a woman in a leather skin-tight suit & cowl with _cat_ ears stuck on.
The only reason that we think Batman is as awesome a concept/franchise as it is is because of the craft that goes into making the world of Batman feel so stylized & operatic. We know it's completely fictional, but it's so atmospheric & immersive that we get sucked into it & buy all of the insanity mentioned above.
When they try to make Batman's world feel like it could take place just beyond your own backyard, the suspension of disbelief collapses entirely & the concept becomes laughable.
This comment needs way more likes! Fantastic answer! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@@elwoodjacobs4353 Personally, I think there’s a sense of irony (that’s probably the wrong word) to it that makes it work really well. I do like how everyone in the Reeves universe treats him like some unhinged freak. Dudes wearing a Halloween costume, taking himself 100% seriously, and can beat the shit out of you.
DOES THIS MAN EVER SLEEP? You gotta stop cooking bro, for my health, too fire🙏
The batman animated show would be a perfect live action
That makes no sense.
Facts
I'd love if Raimi directed a Batman movie using that show as inspiration.
This is why Caped Crusader threw me off so much. His Rouge's Gallery were all street-level crime bosses or maniacs, but then all of a sudden, mfing GENTLEMAN GHOST and a child VAMPIRE (they play it off as a medical condition, but it's not fooling anyone) show up.
How can they have an actual, on-god ghost, yet Clayface is only a dude who can mold his face? Even Onomatopoeia got shafted. He's not a man who can perfectly recreate any sound to fool people. He's just a weird hitman who *speaks* sound effects.
GG and Nocturna give me hope they're willing to go fantastical with the series, but this trend of a grounded Batman seems hard to shake off, even for Caped Crusader.
I think Batman should always be pretty grounded in his first year or two at least, and over time, more fantastical elements appear throughout his time as Batman.
Honestly, it's less of a problem with realistic Batman, and more of an issue with companies milking the shit of something that receives any positive feedback. (Example: The Batman who snickers)
I want a less sci Fi Batman trilogy that's ALSO heavy in the medieval and gothic imagery. Not excessively (tbh that'd be fun too) but really the subtle dark fantasy castle inspired sky scrapers, armor like DARK KNIGHT bat suit, fuck it, berserker Bane (NOT JUST A MINDLESS BRUTE, maybe like Lanius from Fallout?) and a slightly more draconic Killer Croc than we've ever gotten. Tbh doubling down on the classic monster house vibe of some villains would be cool too.
I understand Nolan because it was after Batman and Robin but by now we need more comic book y batman
Honestly I would like to see a more comic book accurate Batman like what we got with the Tim Burton films it just seems like each and every time a new Batman movie comes out it just seems like everybody's trying to emulate the dark Knight trilogy hell the animated films do way better job than the live action films when it comes to the character because they're more accurate to the comics everyone thinks if they did what they did with Batman Robin back in the day people will think that Batman will go back to being goofy you can still keep Batman dark and brooding while bringing in the fantastical aspects of the character from the comics into live-action if the Tim Burton films could do it then so can these directors and writers that they currently have working on these films
There’s no excuse now with how good cgi and effects are nowadays and all the stories they can adapt
@@nickjcirillo exactly they can work clayface into a live action Batman movie as long as they have good writers that have a understanding of who the character they honestly need to start putting the spotlight on Batman's other villains in his rogue gallery because he has the best roster villains that any superhero wish they had they put too much focus on Harley and joker all the time it's really time that they take a break from those characters and start putting the spotlight on Batman's other villains in his rogue gallery
The Arkham games are my favorite...just make those a live series.
The closest we got was Ben Affleck's Batman shame that his solo movie never happened
As much as I love the Nolan films (being a bit generous with Rises), I think they really did damage to Batman's public image where the only way he can have good, thoughtful stories is if he was in a 100% realistic setting.
it's understandable, doing a good realistic batman movie is easier than trying to do a fantastical batman movie and risk turning the charachter into a meme again. Ben affleck was a cool fantastical batman but that universe just didn't work and pattinson is really good idc if it's "too grounded" which it really isn't
I really do hope the DCU Batman touches on the more fantastical aspects of the character, while Matt Reeves Batman focuses on the realistic side.
Realistic Batman just doesn't work for me. The idea that one guy however skilled and rich he might be can take on the mob by just putting on a bat costume and being spooky is on it's face ridiculous but in a heighten reality, I can buy it much more
Idk whats with these people calling it a bat costume. A realistic batman would never just jump in front of mobs and take them down while wearing a haloweeen adam west costume, no, thats stupid. A realistic batman has trained relentlessly for decades, wearing very high tech gear and equipment with the best military grade armor and composite armor in his vehicles and working with the law to fight crime. not a random genuis billionare in a haloween costume. Even the feats of a realistic batman would still be the top 0.000000001 percent of human capacity. For example.
Extreme wealth
160-185 iq, super genuis levels of Intellectual capacity
Mastery in over 16 fields
Like biomedical engineering applied physics forensic science dedective skills, biotechnology mechanical engineering chemical engineering software engineering, mathematics
Along with being one of the best hand to hand combatants overall, having decades of relentless physical traning and extrme martial arts mastery in 2-4 martial arts, making him as good if not better then the best ufc heavy weight champians.
Having built high tech batmbile, batsuits, batcave all alone while working with the law to fight crime
This just makes the character more epic, idk whats with you guys not liking the "grounded" versions. They are literally epic if not more epic then the comic book version in my opinion.
If Batman really existed, he'd be dead in 2 months and that's being generous. Mobsters might get freaked out by him at first but after a while they'd just shoot him to death.
@@SpikeJet2736 You say a real-life Batman would be dead in two months? Laughable. You clearly don’t understand what kind of person it takes to become him: not just a fighter, but a strategic genius, a master of stealth, and an unbreakable force.
A real-life Batman wouldn’t just be barging into mob hideouts swinging fists. He’d be studying every move, mapping every weakness, and exploiting every single one of them. You think he’d walk into a firefight unprepared? Not a chance. This isn’t a reckless amateur; this is someone trained to anticipate gunfire, to disarm attackers, to disappear before anyone even knows he was there. He’d operate from the shadows, hitting fast, hard, and precisely where it hurts the most.
You imagine mobsters would “just shoot him to death.” That’s because you underestimate the power of relentless training, unmatched intelligence, and iron discipline. A real Batman wouldn’t just survive; he’d make criminals too terrified to even think of pulling the trigger. He’d thrive in the shadows, dismantling your operations piece by piece, until the only thing left for you is fear.
@@SpikeJet2736 Your argument is stupid and ignores key aspects of a real life batman.
The Dark knight originally took place 6 months - 1 year after Batman Begins
But that was changed to 5 years and some months for the dark knight rises
Ra's al ghul mentions that he was fighting crime for years
Also the definitive guidebook for the dark knight trilogy supervised by Nolan
States that 5 years passed between Batman begins and the dsrk knight
That also can be see in both movies with Gordon sons
The boy was a baby in the first movie no more than 3 years
ANd in the sequel he have a daughter of 4-5 years old and he is around 8-10
Batman can be both grounded & fantastical
@@orhanamin1347you care
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A secondary problem with a grounded Batman is the villains become less fantastic.
No Mr. Freeze, Killer Croc, Clayface, or other oddballs.
In the greater scope, it helps adding such characters because then It makes sense if Batman's in the Justice League dealing with villains way off his ability to fight by himself.
I can understand Croc, Ivy and Clayface, but what is the problem with Mr. Freeze?
He's a grief stricken scientist with a gun that freezes people. I would consider that still relatively normal.
As much as I like Matt Reeves' The Batman universe, but I want Matt Reeves' version to be the last "realistic Batman" ever.
Good thing it’s not that realistic then. Gotham is actually stylised. Joker is born with chalked white skin and a congenital smile. Batman has meta human durability pretty much, walking into bullets and slapping into bridges etc.
I need my boy Tim Drake to receive love from the GA.
DCU Batman should be around *40-45* An established veteran like the Affleck Bats. Meanwhile Pattinson can play the young Millenial Batman in his 30s.🫡
The Batman 2004 show probably one of the best early years Batman imo
I would much rather watch a Batman who fights gangsters and solve murder cases instead of a Batman who fights aliens with a lazer gun. Simple as that.
ok why not something in the middle something thats like the animated show
@@Griffith74exactly a balance of both is what i think gunn will try to do
@@Griffith74a balanced of both is perfect, make the monsters make sense, in a way of science, people are begging for grounded batman to end but when gunn jumps to Batman fighting straight aliens out of space people are going to cry, let reeves cook let science cook because we don’t know wtf gunn is cooking
At least Batman and robin had some kind of respect for the source material.
A real life Batman would die pretty quickly.
Remember the episode of BTAS Batman and Robin, where Bruce gave the tranquilitist a job and a second chance to reform himself?
I want a movie that is based on a Batman who wants to help his villains.
Do you mean the Ventriloquist?
These directors need to start thinking more like the cartoons. The DCAU gave us incredibly mature takes, while still providing the fun and making it accessible to children. The new movies are just trying to one up the Nolan trilogy by being grittier and more grounded.
Im gonna say it. I like a grounded Batman, I think Batman needs a more realistic and more detective style because it gets little acknowledgement if not completely neglected in a lot media. His rogues might be more limited, but I’d argue that’s where good writers can come in and actually make a new rogue and maybe even a new good nemesis so we don’t have to keep watching Batman and Joker fight for the millionth time. I found this new movie to be a breath of fresh air. The soundtrack, set design, the darkness and grittiness of it was great, I would like to see Batman get some upgrades to his suit and tech as long as the series keeps going, but it’s been awesome so far.
Dang hot take, the Dark Knight trilogy ruined the DCU. It made warners bros believe that only gritty real world superheroes could work. But this type of story is only really done well with Batman because he doesn’t have any powers.
people need to realize the most fantastical thing about robert patterson's batman is his suit. it's completely bulletproof minus point blank shot gun blasts
I just hope they keep the idea of 2 Batmans. Not really a fan of merging the Reevesverse into the DCU.
You can still have the Batmans be similar ages theyll just need to have different costumes, physiques, and different tones, also DCU Batman will have the Bat Family
Gary Oldman said it best in The Dark Knight - The hero we need but not the one we deserve...Batman is a silent guardian and a watchful protector...I don't think grounded - in whatever respect - really comes into it 🙂
A really don’t blame Matt Reeves for not wanting his Batman to be in a cinematic universe especially after The Batman’s production history.
We literally had a fantastical but also gritty Batman with Ben Affleck, but y’all hated on him because the story was of a fallen Batman who had broken his rule. If that story continued, we could’ve had it all
Because dat wasn’t Batman. It was punisher with a mask on. The best Batman suit on flim def looked the part but if I wanted to see a hero kill there are so many out there but the don’t stand the test of time cuz they don’t go the code or heart of The Batman
@@planetlavlogs8117 So Punisher and Batman are the same except one kills and one doesn’t? Wow who would’ve thought. Also didn’t realize that Christian Bale and Michael Keaton were the Punisher and not Batman either. Pattinson is the only one that hasn’t killed yet.
@@arc4859 Fatfleck was bad sorry not sorry, I don't care for grounded batman but Im not losing sleep over the loss of him.
@@LegendaryOverfiend “fatfleck” lmao get outta here
@@planetlavlogs8117you ain't say NOTHING when Keaton and Bale off-ed goons on screen lmao.
How can he be grounded when he's portrayed as the Bat-God?
This guys right, Lego Batman is the most accurate movie depiction
Every good Batman live action movie has one thing in common, they all don't go all out in being fantastical
Grounded Batman worked after the Schumacher failure of 90s so Nolan needed a fresh take on the character for the big screen but its really been done to death now. Audiences are ready for more fantastic take on the character and world that isnt limited by whats “realistic” something akin to Batman the animated series or Arkham series would be a great visual take for him to evolve again
I honestly have no problem with live action Batman being grounded and realistic, that said though it still sucks that Affleck never got his own series of Batman films because his version of Batman was perfect for a live action Batman with fantastical villains.
Keep whining
If they introduce another elseworld Batman, I would love a 1950's setting filled with the supernatural. Maybe even a JLD adaptation.
Agreed, I’m praying they don’t make Batman 40-50 starting out in the DCU. Bruce in Main Continuity gets Damien at age 36 and a new 52. He was even younger at getting him at age 33. Making 10 years older than Clark ruins the dynamic to me of them being brothers. It’s easily doable to make him mid 30s starting out with a full family & I hope they cast that Brandon Sklenar actor from 1923 for Batman he would cook.
I think they confirmed that’s true. It’s a world of super heroes and Superman comes last
I think a Batman with a SinCity vibe and aesthetic would be perfect. That comic feeling setting is absolutely perfect..
Somehow Spider-Man 3 does a better job and how its New York has bottomless subway systems and endless alleyways
Contemporary Batman needs a lot more Adam West and a lot less Frank Miller and Alan Moore in the recipe
Speaking nothing but truth my guy
"Batman is the most believable and realistic superhero!"
"The billionaire who wants to help people by dressing as a giant bat with an arsenal of Goth-James Bond weapons and gadgets?"
Punisher is way more grounded and realistic and frankly relatable then Batman but no one wants to talk about that
Grounded batman was interesting the first time around but it shouldn't be the norm for live action batman. Hate on me all ya want but the snyderverse was the best we're gonns get for a long time
Exactly
I don't mind a grounded Batman but I prefer a Batman movie that is dark but isn't afraid to be comic book movie, that's one of the reason why I like Burton's Batman movies.
DC has been making batman lack luster fr, limiting his villian roster in movies. Ngl, we NEED an animated TV series or movie using a close reference to the Arkham game series.
Nightwing, Damien, Jason and Drake would be dope. Have them as their own characters and Bats having to keep them in check. The villain should be Ras and Shiva!
The main problem with a "Realistic" and, inaccurately phrased, "Grounded" is the overzealous Fanboys actually; in the good sense for once
These cult members are going to go around saying that Batman can beat anybody in comics in general, yet overall with the majority of live-action films, he is primarily fighting normal people. Post the Adam West show, Batman and Robin and Batman v Superman are the only films where he's fought superpowered characters
I still don't get how people look at this costumed crime-fighter dressed as a bat whose enemies count amongst them a clown, a man wearing question marks, a lawyer who's literally split down the middle, a woman who controls plants, a mobster who's a ventriloquist dummy and an actual crocodile man, among others, and declares "the only appropriate tone for this character is sober grounded naturalism."
Oz Cob, the secret long lost brother of Mob Cob from Garden Warfare 2
I don’t know why they can’t get Patterson to just play both iterations of Batman 🤷🏽♂️
It’s not like we don’t have different styles & tones of Batman in the comic running concurrently at anytime
affleck physicality and Pattinson detective skills is my ideal Batman
If anyone else my ideal Batman would be Alan Ritchson. If not him then, Christopher Russell or Ethan Peck
I love the early years of Batman stories where he’s more of a myth and fighting the falcone and maronie crime families ect. But that’s doesn’t mean that’s all I want to see. I also love the more fantastical elements of the character and the robins and everything. We can have both
Ground batman 😎 is cool and all but it gets old pretty fast
Yup. REALLY fast! I remember what turned me off to The Dark Knight early on; It was that scene where Nolan put in all those Batman immitators just to make it more... sigh... "realistic."
NO THANKS! HATE IT! It took me such a long time to come around to The Dark Knight and see all the good and intelligence in that movie, because it was so disgustingly accurate to reality!
If you ask me the best way to do a grounded batman is like character from a stealth video game, a proper stealth game like Hitman not an action game with stealth elements. Batman can fight but it's not ideal, he's better at stealth and strategy. Batman's smart, he knows the issue with Gotham is the corruption at the top not the thugs at the bottom. So his initial goal would be to get evidence against and leverage on the corrupt elite. His equipment would primarily be designed to help him infiltrate places like a ninja, then later on when he's in a bad position he improvises and figures out how to use them as weapons. Then after he's caught and escapes a couple of times he see's how much he scares the lower tier criminals.
Brandon Sklenar for DCU BATMAN 🙏
Who, first time I hear that name
Ill gladly take him over that overrated Alan Ritchson
Could you imagine if they did a Batman pov movie like hardcore Henry? Like you follow Batman through one night out from his actual pov - whether it be a Arkham game styled story or something new. Either way that would be a crazy ahh movie
I get that making Batman grounded & realistic would get your Batman movie an Oscar nomination, but like… he’s Batman. Where’s the silly villains like Condiment King. Where’s the Colorful costumes with Blue Spandex. Where’s the White Eyes. I want a live action Batman movie where he’s hanging out with the Bat Family, including Ace the Bat Hound. Its weird how the “realistic” Batman movies are more goofy & dumb, when the source material & other media makes him an actually grounded character. And those were silly.
As a Tim Drake fan, I feel like a beggar. "Please, sir. Anything you can spare will be appreciated. "
I am tried people keep making Deathstroke a Batman villain. Deathstroke is teen titans villain not a Batman villain.
5:06 Really? That is actually real? There is so many Batmen that has their own continuities and they want Matt Reeves’ Batman to be part of James Gunn’s DCU?
They just want No Way Home version of Batman, which is beyond dumb. No more multiverse stories.
11:32 You think James Gunn will adapted Battle of the Cowl story? But without Tim Drake, Jason Todd and other characters?
12:14 I agree I prefer other Batman villains like Philo Zeiss. But we gonna go non grounded villains Doctor Phosphorus(DC has an obsession with Green skeletons), Zebra Man, Orca, Eraser
The only Batman that is non Grounded is Batman: The Brave and the Bold.
13:07 It the same for the Dark Knight trilogy. Seriously Christopher Nolan original pitch was not a Batman movie until WB made it the pitch into a Batman movie.
13:17 I seen a lot of thumbnails. I just not going to see Joker 2. Ever
Back then when first The Joker movie was successful, there people who criticized the movie calling it *“White Man Rage”* I do remember one of the critics like the bird of prey movie.
Oh hypocrisy you are a mystery.
14:43 Man….. Where is the Love for Tim Drake. Before Fitzmartin and Wielgoz retcon Tim drake. Never forget.
14:48 But you should check out The Boy Wonder by Juni Ba. It is a Great Robin and Good Damain Wayne story.
Agreed. Thankfully ever since the death stroke movie died they have been having him fight the titans more now
@@orhanamin1347You need to shut up, I can't lie.
gets his back blown out? give that a pause cousin 2:25
lmao
Ben Afflecks batman is only one that is close to the comic when it comes to gadgets,moves,death of aside kick and costume I hope Gunns batman is unrealistic as hell in this new universe.
Keaton fights scenes in the flash is spot on
0:49 that’s sad
Wake up babe, new M Enterprises Video dropped
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Finally people are waking up and starting to realize why I absolutely can’t stand The Batman. In reality it isn’t that bad of a movie but seeing batman use a 1970’s Plymouth Barracuda instead of an actual armored vehicle and a wing suit instead of his actual wings to glide was way too weird for me. It felt like I was watching a John Wick movie instead of a Batman movie.
Not to mention the slow pacing and dumb plot twist at the end
The biggest flaw in a 'realistic' Batman is that most of the problems could be solved just by throwing money at them, rather than beating people up in a bat costume.
Lol, I can seen that
I hope this is not a serious comment
Why couldn’t the fantastical version do the same?
I have no problem with a grounded Batman. I have no problem with a more fantastical Batman either. Just make it good.
i would limit the bat family down to:
batman
nightwing
oracle
alfred
jason (believed to be deceased)
i love tim, cassandra, etc. but i think it would be stronger to have damian be introduced as the third robin, to a batman that hasn't had a real partner for several years after dick's resignation, barbara's retirement, and jason's death. and we could always introduce cassandra and etc with later projects
While I absolutely respect your pitch I respectfully disagree a Batfamily without Tim Drake wont feel right and I wouldn't wanna see him sidelined and neglected they could always have him be the Robin in the movie thats been Robin for like 2-3 years before Damian becomes the new Robin halfway through then Tim can go off as Red Robin and lead the Teen Titans
@@Kalel2.0 my real issue with Tim in the lineup is the believability of Bruce’s age. I don’t want a New 52 situation where none of the three Robins’ tenures to be less than three years. And I don’t want Batman to be in his fifties by the start of this DCU. I think it would also add more to this Batman’s story and dynamic with Damian if we have it where he’s alone due broken relationships with Dick and Babs, and the death of Jason.
Again. I absolutely love Tim. He’s tied as my favorite Robin. But I think having him either omitted or reinvented in a different manner would be for the best, and wouldn’t result him being just awkwardly shelved by Damian’s presence like the comics did
@@orhanamin1347 I’m good
I prefer him working alone
@@joeker5208I get wanting to avoid the confusing New 52 timeline mess of each Robin but theres a way to work through it without Batman being so danm old. They could always say Bruce got Talia pregnant(Well not exactly consensually on his part)when he was training all over the world and they could always say it happen when he was between the ages of 17-19 to make Damian being conceived earlier work then he couldve recruited Dick when he was 23 when he was 13 or 14 he was Robin for 5 years and stopped when Bruce was was 27 then Jason was recruited the same year Dick stopped being Robin and became Nightwing(making Dick 17) and Jason was Robin for 2-3 years before the Joker crowbered him making Bruce 29 when it happned then Tim(who was 14) came in when Bruce was 31 and in the film Bruce is between the ages of 33-35(Preferably 33) and Tim 16 making Damian in the film between the ages of 11-13,Jason is currently dead and Dick is between the ages of 19-22
It's interesting how people are tired of grounded Batman movies and multiverse Spider-Man movies (even though there have only been three Spider-Verse movies)
13:10 yeah and the worst part is that if that video gets big enough, all the sudden a mass flow of people will swear they felt that exact same way when watching the movie and all the sudden Joker 2 has a fan-base who will say bs like "you just didn't understand the film because you aren't smart poopy pants, and that's why you think it's bad" or even worse because "there's a woman lead" or whatever other shit they want to cook up
We'll get fantastical in the DCU with Brave and The Bold so chill, well probably even see the rest of the batfamily if we're already starting with Damian. Nightwing, Batgitl and Jason from the jump would be insane, plus we're getting a Teen Titans movie so Dick should be locked in.
Patterson's is grounded and I'm all for it, crime noir, thriller world, Professor Pyg, Serial Killer Clay Face, Mad Hatter, Mr Freeze at a push using cryo to kill his victims I'm excited for Batman Pt 2.