This 2021 SONDORS Metacycle Costs A FRACTION Of The Harley-Davidson LiveWire! Here's How They Did It
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While more electric motorcycles are hitting the market, finding an affordable one is challenging at best. Enter the SONDORS Metacycle, which aims to offer an affordable option for around $5,000 - a fraction of what some other EV bikes like the Harley-Davidson LiveWire. Here's what you get for the money!
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Small correction: power is stated in watts, capacity is stated in watt hours. The bike has 14.5 kilowatts of power and is equipped with a 4 kilowatt hour battery. Otherwise, great video!
14.5 kilowatts is 19.3 horse power
Hate when people get this wrong.
Oddly enough electric bicycles can be 5k and much more so this thing is cool for what it is.
Agreed.
5k USD is will get you a pretty decent off road capable ebike though. Very different machine to a light weight motorcycle like this one with very different use cases.
Depends on what the delivery fee is.
@@andrewwen7485 yip
I got 3 questions:
1) Do I need a motorcycle license?
2) Will it need a license plate?
3) How much will an extra battery cost? Hopefully not an extra grand.
Good questions
In most states you will need a license. There is a mount under the rear light for a plate. Not sure about the battery.
After 250,000 highway miles on big touring bikes I would love to own this bike. My 71 years and numerous physical condition doesn't allow for another motorcycle but I'm still young enough to dream. :)
Ok this is gonna be my first motorcycle
I'd be very concerned leaving it parked in town at only 200 lbs and so visually distinguished.
Also, there's a ton of wasted space for the sake of striking design. Think most buyers would prefer either cargo storage or additional battery.
Both are available as options.
My old Honda XL600 made about 2 gallons of power, with another half gallon of reserve power.
I love that it appears to be a direct drive hubmotor. Performance wise this adds unsprung and rotational mass so not best for performance but nothing to wear out but axle bearings. So it will last without maintenance until it corrodes, if it's well sealed it should last basically forever only having to change bearing every 50,000-100,000 miles and replace battery which will be easy though pricey but each time battery tech should be a upgrade.
Big hub motors generally are not good at handling bumps at all. The unsprung weight would be super high. This is why everyone has an inboard motor with a chain. If you hit a speed bump at 50mph, it may launch you into orbit. The mass hitting a big bump has no option other than to send all that mass up quickly regardless of what suspension you have. Someone really needs to ride this thing and see what that rear end handles like. It looks cool, its priced low. For low speeds, I am sure its fine, but 80mph may be pushing safety.
And you beat me to the punch. First thing I thought about when I saw that hub. Apparently the designers aren't that bright, or they've never seen a motorcycle before... 🙄
I remember when I went into the local zero dealership years ago. The dealer basically repeated the material zero gave them on one of their first bikes. They told me sure you'd be able to go 16 miles to a neighboring Village with the bike I was looking at at a reasonable speed. I couldn't do 30 miles an hour and cover 16 miles one way with the motorcycle. Zero took my money to fund their upgrades. I really want an owner review before I watch another accolade on any electric motorcycle and put any money down. I'm glad you did this video and gave basic info but i have to take it as aspirational not factual.
Thankfully zeros come a longgggg way since then
Yeh, Zeros came a long way and they're outrageously expensive. And you lose a fortune if you decide to sell it.
You should watch newzeroland. He has a couple videos up about his old zero and range test. He also currently has a energica and he is pushing the range on it on a trip around New Zealand
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Looks like they're doing one lever for front and one lever for rear brakes. If I was on the engineering team, I'd have the right lever operate both brakes through a proportioning valve and the left lever operate regenerative braking.
Been riding over 50 years and there are times when you want zero braking on the front tire and other times when you want 90% braking on the front....
@@johnw65 been riding 35 years, a lot of it on the track. I'd agree that I almost never use my rear brake on the street. However, modern computer controls really make the old way of two separate brake systems unnecessary. Honda used a linked brake system in the 90's on some of their bikes. The system worked pretty well. I'm sure engineers could make a much better system today.
@@aaronbritt2025 'automatic systems' can't 'see' the sand and gravel in the gutter as you turn off the road. Or the grass scattered across the curve by grass mowers; or wet surfaces from sprinklers on non rainy days. Too many unforseens for me.
@@johnw65 Actually, they can. Electronic traction control/ABS systems can "see" a low friction coefficient surface fast enough to better modulate brakes than you or I can. I get that trust is an issue, but if you've ever ridden a newer BMW, you'll know what I mean.
@@aaronbritt2025 trusting my life to very expensive electronis/AI...no thanks
Definitely needs some accessory Panniers to make use of that big gap in the frame and enable some storage. Otherwise, looks great.
5k is an incredible price for the package.
Its a spartan bike. I just wish it came with more modularity and contact points for upgrades and accessories.
Krane
With all due respect some folks are just not Satisfied They just want More More More
@@AwesomeAlexAdam Like the Andrea True Connection?
5k ist unreal! I'm sure it is a lie.
Kills me inside that the term KWh is used for power, as the 'h' in the end makes it capacity and not power. This bike has a 4KWh battery. Produces 8KW nominal and 14KW peak.
Agreed. Pet peeve of mine as well. With how big electric vehicles are getting, people need to seriously buff up on the basics of electricity. Everyone understands terms like “internal combustion” and hp and torque, etc etc. with things moving over to electric motors, it’s time for people (especially reviewers) to do a little research
If you are taller, easy to add a much thicker seat. I used a dry weave T shirt as a new cover for an added foam pad, sewed together under the seat frame. It has held up for years. I would put a tire repair kit in the big hole. On a typical bike you pull in the clutch lever to brake, so it should be quick to back brake with your left hand.
Now just fill that empty void in the frame with an extra battery and add a front hub drive. It'd be cool to see a light enduro setup.
True, but it really should come with the connection so you can just slot it in for longer distances and be able to remove it when not needed. That slot has great potential for a whole battery of accessories. The sky's the limit.
WP suspension and Bybre brakes, love it. I hope those wheels are tubeless!
You did not discuss the Main components -
Motor - it's maker and quality.
Battery quality - Samsung, Panosonic or Chinese?
Motor and controller is QS motor (very good). No details on battery manufacturer.
"Theres tons of red accesnts, but not to many"?
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
:)
Kase, please don't confuse KWH with KW.
I just noticed that it's wrong on the Sondors website where POWER is quoted as "8 KWh (11hp) nominal, 14.5 KWh (20hp) peak" so Kase was just quoting bad info he saw there. That "h" after KW may seem a little thing but the two terms mean ENTIRELY different things and when people get them mixed up it really irks me.
Ya and he said the Harley live wire only had 13.6 “kWh” he was referring to the motor power. The Harley has a 78kw motor.
@@russ2714 YES, it's the difference between riding 60 miles and riding 60 mph. One is a measure of distance, and the latter is a measure of speed.
A off road version would be a good seller, Good review thanks.
Yes, I can see that with knobbies or at least a dual purpose tread, and a bigger front wheel...
X260 is on sale 3999
Bring up the battery fill in the hole make it more of a dirt bike look for sure
I'd expect to see a scrambler and a cafe as well if not the scrambler being the off-road version. Maybe they will make something to complete with Sur Ron which may be a tough one considering it's level of quality for the price but if anyone could do it the busi-model they have could do it.
Great presentation! Though, I'm not quite sure about the rear brake lever placement, as when I do ride a bicycle which also has that, and have to stop at a traffic light at an incline, I use the pedals to keep the bike from rolling away, or put my feet on the ground in front or behind the pedals for that. Just so I don't continuously have to hold the brake waiting for a green light. On my motorbike I use the rear brake for that as it's much too heavy to muscle it stationary. Granted, at some 50kg this bike is lighter, but still it would be nice to be able to hold it in place without having to hold the brakes with your hands.
I have a Sur Ron - hand brake was easy to get used to -
few hours - not having to shift is sweet - power is smooth -
i rode up very loose rocky steep hill - was easy - my other bikes not easy -
its Fun
@@GroovyVideo2 i'm not worried about riding it. But about holding it still waiting for a traffic light to turn green while on an incline. I prefer to use those moments to stretch, and having to hold the handlebar makes that annoyingly impossible
There is 0 chance this bike will get to anything near 80 miles at anything over 20MPH... Just keep that in mind. Best case, my guess, combined speeds looking at 50 miles.
The engineer and owner said that at 40-45 it would go 80... We'll see, and I am rooting for them!
@@GrantCustomBanjos I am rooting for them too, but there is just no way, IMO. Maybe if you do the math without rider weight maybe, but the hub motor is just not that efficient.
In a recent interview the reps said their test range was actually 100 and they dropped it to 80 to represent real world riding averaging 40-45mph. We will see but it would be strange to have that flagrant of a lie coming from the company heads.
@@adam_riley I truly hope you are right, really I do. But let me ask you this... Which is more likely, a company over hyping a product or its capabilities, or a company releasing a product that is a true market disrupter. At that price point, with that speed and range, combined you are talking about a order of magnitude difference between them and the rest of the market. So again either this hub or the regenerative breaking are the most efficient known to man or it will under deliver like every other ebike on the market. I love ebikes and there are some great ones out there but according to real world reviews they never quite live up to the specs. If I am wrong I will come back here and apologize. Mark my words.
@@adam_riley The average adult male over the age of 20 is something like 197lbs. I just don't see it.
That industrial look is amazing
That hollow space will be used for upgrades. Either level 2 charging, another battery or a hardcase storage. All of these would be aftermarket accessories. I’d go level 2 charging if your just city commuting.
MOTOR POWER is measured in kilowatts, not kilowatt hours. Battery CAPACITY is measured in Kilowatt hours.
Honestly, not understanding those most basic aspects really doesn't give me much confidence in the accuracy of your content or the value of your statements.
Tough audience. Electric bikes are still relatively new.
Instead of that empty designer hole above the battery they should have put extra batteries and achieve above 100mile range.
I don't think would be too hard getting used to the hand controls only, if you rode a bicycle before, it will be the same.
Of this would come to europe i would Order one. Design is awesome.
Well....if they want to sell it in Europe they will have to put an ABS on according to EU regulations.
It will be the eqivalent of under a 125cc engine in Europe so should not require ABS.
How exactly is a 4 KWh battery supposed to give you 80 miles of range for a 200 lb 80mph bike? Are they just assuming that you'll only average about 30 mph on any given trip?
Also, why would they not put a mock tank on there for some extra storage?
41 but that was their testing ground...I'll stick with my stealth bomber doing 61mph with 45mpc
Edit I use a 2.8kwh battery with a 8kw hub on a 125lb bike.
What is the weight of the rider, a buck fifty? We all know mileage is always exaggerated.
3:45 power is given in kW, not kWh which is for capacity.
It would be nice to see an electric motorcycle built for a person over 5 foot 10 inch tall,I am 6 foot 3.
Wow! 5k! Can’t wait to see a real one. Looks great!
Good rundown, we're excited about the bike, just concerned about the company. They offer no service on their bicycles, but have set up a facebook page so customers can fend for themselves/help others. They have a 3-wheeled car that they announced in 2017 and is still, at this point, vaporware. Do a little digging on this. If they pull it off, this truly is exciting.
They could have filled that empty frame space with battery to increase the range, possibly to double it or better. A thicker seat would be a good thing. I feel they just missed the big payday by that little bit.
Id like to see a storage compartment accessory offered that fits snugly in the space above the battery. Split in the middle it would be fit from each side then bolt together without fastening to the frame. A secure compartment that could double as a extended range battery compartment possibly with that built by Sondors and made available as an option as well.
Turn signals?
Glorified moped.
If you go faster than 30 mph. The range drops off quickly. No level 2 charging unless you buy an additional module. Which fills that stupid hole in the frame.
So you have a 40 mile range bike that costs several thousand more than 5 grand.
Already pre-ordered one. Naked silver baby 🤘
When is the shipping 🤔?
@@mario360x3 October 2021
Me too but I went with black
@@TheoFrius That means January 2022
A 200 lb moto-electric bicycle is not safe for bridges & highways especially during high winds. There is a reason why motorcycles are designed to purposely be heavy. The void in the center is a waste of space where an extra battery pack could go. Also, overtime the aluminum frame will crack or bend, especially if you ride over pot holes in the city.
Rear hub/motor design..... Brilliant! Love it!
yep/ leave them gears out of my motor..and let it be just a motor..I love that about hub motors.
According to customer service they are going to offer accessories which will include a storage box that will go in the empty body space.
Looks like there's nowhere to brace your knees, that would take getting used to. But $5,000 is close to the price of some of the more overpriced electric bicycles. I could easily ride it to work daily, and I'm going to have to look into getting one.
I wonder how 100,000,000 people on Honda 125 Waves in Thailand, Phillipeens, Taiwan, Cambodia, Malaysia, INDIA!... deal with that for the last 40 years? ALL OF EUROPE, VESPA, 1/2 A CENTURY???
Why is that wire to the hub motor exposed like that. Seems like they could have a much cleaner design if they routed that through the swingarm.
I like the bike but it needs some kind of rear fender so you don't get mud and water slung up on you, right?
It needs accessory tie points. Once it has that you can upgrade as you please.
Thanks for the introduction guys. Looking forward to your ride impressions. Price is pretty ideal.
Great presentation, but I think you're largely over estimating it's performance, and wholly misrepresenting it's power / performance figures. 80mile range with a 4kw battery is going to be nearly impossible. I have a 400lb Zero with 11.4 kWh battery and I see about 80 miles with typical intown riding. It would also help inform your viewers if you use the right terms to describe power output: @3:43, "peak power output is 14.4kWh" kWh would be the capacity of the battery, which is only 4kWh (4000Wh). This is like saying "my mustang has the power of a 18 gallon fuel tank" it doesn't make sense. THEN you compared the power of the Metacycle motor to the battery size of the livewire... WHAT?? this is such a misrepresentation, how did this get past editing? So your real comparison to the livewire would be 14kW (11hp) of the Metacycle to the 78kW of the Livewire (105hp). Not double the power... 5 times the power. OR 4kWh battery to ~15kWh battery. Don't compare apples to bananas
I paid 80.00 for my 1984 xl350r.
It did need a new coil ( 10.00) .
So if you normally spend 10-15 bucks a week on gas, only ride 20-30 Miles a day and have solar panels and no Tesla Power-wall. This bike can act as a Power-bank/emergency power supply for nights and give you a ride in the morning that without fuel and servicing pays for itself in 5 years. All without oil stains on your clothes, driveway or garage. it sounds like a good deal. If it is reliable then it sounds like an epic deal.
Link to pre-order?
Great show Boys! Great Sow! Continued success…. Awesome discussion!
very intriguing but will definitely wait to see how the final product is before laying down cash
Nicer than any electric bike I’ve ever owned. If I had the ability to manufacture, I’d be making a fat boy removable battery pack housing to fill that gas tank empty space for longer hauls. Keep it looking like a gas tank but has an array of standardized swap out batteries inside. Just a thought.
Tube tires? Special tire changing equipment needed? Battery is 50lbs, try carrying it up 3 flights of stairs. I do think they may have
started mid price war. I think they are in the right price range. Need tubeless tires and no spokes, and they need to use the wasted space where the gas tank would be to carry stuff. Their going in the right direction.
Unless something has changed and I need to do some more learning, hub motor means a lot of unsprung weight which will affect performance outside the city speed use. Will be great as a sub highway speed commuter. With a battery that small, I imagine standard L2/6kW is what they are talking about for standard EV chargers, and using that would be a real quick charge so that's pretty nifty.
Micah at Electrek did an interview with Sondors and they said that the standard bike does not include an L2 charger port, but that it will be an accessory for that center frame hole. Alternatively they'll have an aux battery.
I'll get one for my work commute if you carry my work stuff in your car and also store my bulky safety gear in it when I'm at work, OK?
It's pretty, but without built-in storage, it's a toy, not a tool. Other than the storage issue, it's pretty much what I've been hoping for. If either Sondors or the aftermarket produce a nice storage compartment for that empty space in the middle, I'd give it a serious look.
Nice vid, looking at the phone in an aquarium lol!
I have a Sur Ron - much better than expected -
fast enough goes about 22 miles at full speed ish -
new suspension was pretty nice but -
suspension wore out in 400 miles - not happy -
replaced fork oil tried 4 different viscosity - tiny improvement -
likely valving failure - repair parts not available -
Can you do a review on the Sondors Madmod ebikes?
Do you need a motorcycle license or is it technically considered a electric bicycle?
If it can go 80 mph and its highway approved. Definitely out of bicycle territory. Besides, it would have to have pedals to make that claim.
I'm interested in this bike.
I will buy it, no doubt, IF:
1. Level 2 charge times are good.
or
2. An optional/aftermarket expansion battery is built(perhaps that fills part of or all of that "tank" void (80 miles isn't ideal, 120 would be AMAZING)
1. 1 hour with optional L2 charger 2. Yes, it will be an option
@@ronvanderdussen2719 where'd this info come from?
I spoke to Sondors the day of the announcement and they knew nothing about either question.
Love the looks, price and concept of this. One big concern......how do you grip the ‘tank’ with your legs when you ride?? And re the lack of clutch, it’s the same as riding a scooter! And that’s not a gear indicator. Many electric scooters have speed settings of 1, 2 or 3 to adjust for road and riding conditions.
If its going to sells spartan like that then accessory tie points and upgrades really need to be built-in. That seat for one is definitely polarizing and won't satisfy anyone outside of a very small group.
Anyway, maybe they'll expand the line next year and make a slightly larger and more powerful 2 passenger model? This design appears to treat potential. Still, its too early to tell until the reviews start to come in on how well it rides and handles.
Hopefully the manufacturer will offer a couple windscreen options. Seems like a very tidy and well-planned package.
For people who is only 5.5 height foot is this a good size bike?
I'm curious about the seat, the unsprung weight of the hub motor, the lack of a tank to squeeze and the real life range. There are a lot of questions but I am very intrigued.
Why not get an electric unicycle like Veteran Sherman, 80 km/h, 120km range, charges in 1.5h from any power plug at basically no price. Can go anywhere, needs basically same protective equpment.
I've never had a motorcycle... how do you keep people from stealing this?! Especially with its weight, this seems like an easy target.
Well. Motorcycles can be stolen but without a trailer ... If they really want to they will. You can lock steering. You can buy a discbrake lock. Or a giant lock, see lockpicking lawyer, that you may keep close to your workplace
I mean. You could put a giant chain through the frame.
you guys need to learn the difference between kilowatts and kilowatt hours....a kilowatt is a unit of power...a kilowatt hour is a unit of energy. This has a 4kWh battery pack and the motor is 14.5 kW (peak). The comparison to the Livewire is totally incorrect...the Livewire motor produces 78kW which is over 5 times the power of the Sondor. The Livewire battery is 15.5kWh max which is almost 4 times larger. Also the torque quoted on the website is 130ft-lbs which is pretty weak considering the Livewire supplies 834ft-lbs to the rear wheel. This bikes performance will likely be similar to a 250cc gas bike. The range value quoted is likely just complete BS..hence they didn't specify a actual test duty cycle...for reference a Zero FX3.6 has an estimated "city" range (per an SAE city duty cycle) of only 46 miles with a 3.6kWh battery and 247lb weight.
It's not a gear indicator, escooters (moped for americans) usually have e max speed switch with 3 modes.
Hi
Do you know this Sondor have regenerative brake ... ?!
Thanks !
nothing to grip with your knees with the large cut out ?
It's a scooter. Nothing to grip.
No pillion is a real downside.
The hub drive motor is nice and simple cheap tech that is hopefully reliable and is contributing to the price point on this bike, however I'd be a little worried about pots holes shaking magnets and spokes loose.
I hope to see these in the UK sometime.
curious if the right brake lever controls the front brake (like a motorcycle) or the back brake (like a bicycle).
I never understood why it's flipped round in America? Over here in the UK it's the same for bike, scooter, or motorcycle, right front. Not that it really matters. I think it might have something to do with hand signals when turning.
@@timscott3027 who knows... the UK standard is better for sure.
How much extra for a seat pad 😵😁
This EV motorbike has a left handlebar lever where the clutch would normally be on a regular IC engine motorcycle. I hope they put both brakes up on the front levers. Its so much more "symmetrical" to have front & rear brakes on each hand since this EV needs no clutch.
I'm going to start saving up my stimulus checks now
I love it.. But that Empty space in the middle.. Fuel Tanks are not only to hold fuel they are multi purpose they provide grip with your legs and the body of the bike..
But let's see once is out what some real riders say about it.
Really cool bike but I think im gonna wait till the solid state battery tech comes to this industry so prices can go down and range can go up. Definitely would be a option for me in a few years
Price is $5,000 if you don't want to sit through the whole video.
Most likely they’ll have a conversion kit to have the rear brake where it should be. I can see why the rear brake is where it is if it’s meant for someone transitioning from bicycle to this but a conversion kit should be made available for motorcyclists to buy into this. Unless of course they aren’t focusing on motorcyclists as a target. Great video.
Its fine using your left hand for back brake, all modern scooters use this lay out.
Just ordered the black one. Can’t wait for this but It won’t be here until October.
Would have been nice to see that open gap filled with more battery power.
Good idea, or maybe a saddlebag of some kind?
Electrek did an interview with Sondors, and they said that will be an option, also an L2 charge port
My only design gripe is the motor in the rear wheel. It should be a light quick nimble city bike, but to add all that unsprung weight to the wheel seems counter intuitive to its fundamental design. Unsprung weight = bad.
This looks like it could be a good cheap introductory electric motorcycle, but looking at it the design to me just looks like they put two bicycle frames together and fill it in the gap between. It's distinct, butI feel like there's a lot of negative space that can be used otherwise. Like the gap between the battery in the top of the frames. that needs to be filled in with a storage compartment that can either hold a charger, more batteries, or be storage. whatever it is it needs to be shaped more like a gas tank so that you can actually use your thighs and knees to hold yourself in case you have to stop quickly.
They have stated a storage box or the level 2 charger will slot into the void.
Can you plug it in and charge it at home (located in the U.S.?).
Not much on the looks, but at that price I guess you can't complain.
Your our tech guys, stay on point with detail related research. 🤔 or You could always blame the research team. Yes a bike many have been waiting for.⚡I hope it doesn't disappoint the market demand. As more City commuters are setting the pace for alternative clean transportation . Really looking forward to your getting Hands-On one, for an extended Tech and features review.
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Great channel guys.
Do you think this could be turned into a mild off road machine with different tires? Do you know of similarly priced electric off road motorcycles?
Surron X from LunaCycle.com for $3600 or Segway x260 from Best Buy for $4999. Same bikes but the Segway has an app for your phone to adjust the bikes settings.
In terms of the build quality as it's an all aluminium piece frame, which will be light rigid and corrosion resistant, however the complete lack of a decent mud guard on the rear will mean that you will get road water all up your back! Not good
Yeah but it looks cool
They had "The Nutcracker Ballet" in mind designing that seat. I weigh about 250lb so I would modify the seat post haste...
I'm impressed. But theres one thing that i can't understand.
Why every electric bike out of there has only one seat? I mean, would it be too hard to add 15cm to the tail for have enough space for a passenger? I cant imagine a bike with wich you can't pick up a friend at least once a year.
That is a cool bike. Would go nice with the Aptera I am getting.
If you think about this as a Electric Bicycle beefed up to be a motorcycle instead of a Motorcycle made cheap...it makes more sense.
I ordered the metacycle in December. The website said 100 deposit but they billed my card $5000. I cancelled my order and I have been trying to get my money back ever since. Today they sent me an email asking if I would like to reinstate my order. I guess they think I might rather have the bike than nothing. They are wrong. I know how they treat customers if something fails guaranteed you are left in the cold. These people do not care about their customers at all. I'll sue to get my money back. Better than trying to sue if I get a lemon. Just telling you about my experience with this company to maybe save someone some unneeded headaches.
It'd be alot cooler if it had a longer range. Since I've got a 110 mile round trip commute
⚡️ You charge it up at work or keep a new freshly charged battery at work and swap them out each day. 🤷🏼♂️
Well a decent car range would be 300 miles with a good range of 400 and an exceptional range of 500+ (Tesla has already exceeded this). For electric motorcycles what range would you suggest?
@@krane15 whatever they deem necessary. Current tech doesn't really meet me needs. Just saying it'd be cool if one dide
@@zripster That was kinda my point. I'm asking you to state your needs.
@@krane15 already said, 110 mile round trip minimum. Prefer 150 incase i need to go somewhere on the way home
5000$ is absolutely unrealistic. The frame is too difficult to produce. If this beautiful bike ever hits the road, it WILL cost 10.000$ IMHO.
Hello , I'm passing by your channel and I just want to know if this sondors is in the USA?
5 grand is a steal!
Should have a glass coved cover that slides then you can still see your screen whilst it’s protected !!!