I saw a video from Kaylee Ellen, after going to Thailand… she said it was unbelievable, but also low-key expected, the amount of unknown hybrids, new strains and just “special” plants being grown behind the scenes by the manufacturers. Outside of North and South America, Europe, etc. Mostly in Asia she said… they’re being SUPER stingy and cautious, and/or waiting for a new “spike” in the houseplant market interest. But I believe it. They let things out in tiny doses, holding onto the majority… and that’s cool; like, it is their livelihood and their work. Meanwhile we’re all out here like wtffffff ☠️
Yeah I'm familiar with Thailand creations. They seem to specialize in unique variegation and growth mutations derived from tissue culture labs. I'd like to see newer Botanist follow the footsteps of Robert McColley, Dr. Block, and the dude from Silver Khrome. They perfect and patent their creations with deliberate intentions.
The problem with hybridizing is that the parents must be compatible. Several people have attempted to cross spiritus-sanctii with melanochrysum, verrucosum and gloriosum. While all are Philos, the genetics do not seem to be compatible (probably incompatible chromosome counts) and either no seed is produced or it is not viable. Because we haven't mapped the chromosomes of all of the aroids, the only way to produce new hybrids is through trial and error. While some groups of plants are amenable to wide crosses (where chromosome counts differ), aroids do not appear to be one of them. That said, I'd bet my last dollar that it is possible to cross at least one Philo with one Anthurium.
Dave, you're really on to something. I like your wish list ideas.Wait, when you went into your garden and fried up some food, you really got my ❤️House plants, beautiful home and he cooks? Love it
Your imagination and commitment to detail is unmatched! I absolutely had no idea we would be frying green tomatoes towards the end of this video…but for some reason it just felt right! ✍🏼🍳 🫡
Absolutely yes, I would immediately throw my money at a velvet long leaf philodendron or a giant leaf hoya. I hope you putting this out in the universe triggers some amazing things to happen with this intentional hybridization!
I actually just now came across a couple of videos where growers are attempting to do similar to what I mentioned in my video. So I think over time we’ll see something good.
Great ideas, but will they ever try to do what we want. I find the philo silver sword hardy plant that sizes up easily. Perhaps it could be crossed with another colorful philo that’s troublesome…like pink princess.
Sounds like the WHAT IF...? plant addition scenario. Keep the non existing wishlist ideas coming. I'd like to see some art of these non existing plants.
I think…I think there’s a place for both deliberate crosses to appeal to customers as well as crosses just because the plants bloomed. I say this because if you watch their lives (at least Ecuagenera Fl…idk about Ca) , some of the crosses are bomb and some, you can tell that someone was just d*cking around with plants because they like plants and since yields are so big if you know what you’re doing, they sell them.🤷🏾♀️ And I may be wrong, but that’s what it looks like.😅 I personally like Ecuagenera and other importers for my basics-I think the fact that they don’t seem get too deep into any of the coveted crosses (and I say that lightly since there is so much variation when crossing plants, even if they are the same as what was used for a very saught after hybrid), helps keep the market for certain plants from plummetting. But yeah, it looks like the general consensus is that 2024 is the year of crosses/hybrids. Personally, I’m just gonna stay on my “I like what I like” train-if it’s a hybrid? Cool. If it’s some regular sh*t? Cool. I like plants.😅 Have you considered creating your own deliberate cross? (You may talk about this, but I haven’t finished the video, yet. Oops.😅😭)
I agree, there is definitely a place for deliberate crosses, opportune crosses, and even tissue culture mutations. I think it's cool if these companies get ideas for deliberate crosses, from the actual consumer. Rather than throw out a bunch of similar looking crosses that get overlooked lol. I don't think I'll be crossing Philos...they don't flower enough and I'm not willing to wake up in the middle of the night with a thermometer to pollinate them 😂.
@@AroidDistrict Hah, you said "ain't nobody got time for that".😆 I understand completely, though. And I gotcha--you're definitely right about there being many similar looking crosses. I hope some of these companies see your video--really your whole channel. 🤞
Interesting video. I have not seen this type of “wish list” before. Actually most toy hobbyist wish list is like this (ie: “wouldn’t it be cool if someone make a figure of this…”) but first time I’ve seen applied to the plant hobby. Very interesting bro!
Philodendron Silver Sword x Burle Marx Fantasy, syngonium erythrophyllum x pink splash, dieffenbachia Camouflage x a smaller more compact dieffenbachia.
Us old people had to be patient for everything before the internet, dependent on trade shows, festivals, etc. for rarer stuff. Fried green tomatoes remind me most of fried eggplant, not a lot going on there.
Thank you for saying what you did about hybridizing in the beginning! I'm so over seeing sales for crosses that are miles long like ((AxB)x(CxD))x(AxC). Like, what?! I don't know what that's gonna look like nor does it even have any meaning to me at that point. They need to be more intentional, like you said.
Also I realize your main point is that they need to think about the characteristics of the plants they're crossing, as opposed to my angst at long crosses in general. I'd be fine with a long list of crosses that clearly have some thought behind them.
You’re welcome, yeah I agree with you. I guess we can only hope and wish. I’ll def do my part with being intentional about Anthuriums. I don’t like the hype around all these names involved, which is why the only option is to come up with your own name once you created your own “unique” Anthurium.
Philodendron Varicosum x Spiritus Sancti would be so amazing! I was pondering this looking at my own collection recently. I don't expect to get them to bloom in PHX AZ
Nice I’d quickly buy a Spiritus/Verru or Spiritus/Melano. I’m guessing you’d have a good chance of Spiritus blooming in PHX. Prob just needs a couple of cooler outdoor nights to trigger bloom. Once it’s mature obviously.
Had to do a little google action on this one, but I do wonder (and hope) we get intergeneric hybrids in the houseplant world soon, they do technically exist, even in nature and of course manmade - tangelos are a good example, triticale (wheat x rye), and a plant called Heucherella is apparently a two genus-hybrid as well. It would be cool to see a Hoya/ large leaf Aroid cross one day
Lmaooooooo where is your melanochrysum?! 🤣 I’m so weak cause mine has been getting every single emerging leaf chopped off for being dumb! As far as the different hybrids I think they know something we don’t because there should definitely be more diff. shaped velvets in rotation!
My Melano was bipolar, so I finally slam dunked it into the trash can. But maybe you can convince “Tropicals” to give the people what we looking for lol.
Btw, like you said, the only Hoya I can think of with that aroid-type size is _H. latifolia_ aka the dinner-plate Hoya. What other Hoya really is huge?? 🤔
The biggest Hoya that I’ve seen on the Internet is the Loyceandrewiana, which is adult human head size in some photos. Hoya Elephant and Latifolia are the other large size leaves I know of.
I bought the seedlings and they are still small they have not grown. I have been doing what you said to do. Plus i have it on a seedling heat pad. I dont do instagram.
Soooo what you're sayin is, the 5 million cuttings i have of my melano is a waste of my time? Bahahaha trust i bought one of those mfers last year and be makin cuttings legit every 2 months. I hate her 🤣
For me, when it comes to anthuriums, I am actually sick of hybrids, there are so many plain looking hybrids that people like to promote as special with so many stupid names that noone really cares about. I miss good old pure, mother nature created varieties to be more available, but it is very hard to get them because the market is oversaturated with infinite hybrids.
I understand. I can’t grow species well, so I’m all for the hybrids. I also figured the species can be left in the wild to “Mother Nature” if we made our own hybrids at home.
nowadays most species are not being taken from the wild, they are being propagated from that plants people already have, that way if the species ever get extinct in the wild, it can be repopulated from private collections @@AroidDistrict
Be careful taking branches from trees outside and using them as support for your indoor plants. I did that a few years ago and started getting root rot, mold, fungus’s, and other weird issues. I’m positive it was coming from the outdoor branches I was introducing to my collection. Our houseplants don’t have the ability to fight off these diseases like the plants outside could.
I saw a video from Kaylee Ellen, after going to Thailand… she said it was unbelievable, but also low-key expected, the amount of unknown hybrids, new strains and just “special” plants being grown behind the scenes by the manufacturers. Outside of North and South America, Europe, etc. Mostly in Asia she said… they’re being SUPER stingy and cautious, and/or waiting for a new “spike” in the houseplant market interest. But I believe it. They let things out in tiny doses, holding onto the majority… and that’s cool; like, it is their livelihood and their work. Meanwhile we’re all out here like wtffffff ☠️
Yeah I'm familiar with Thailand creations. They seem to specialize in unique variegation and growth mutations derived from tissue culture labs. I'd like to see newer Botanist follow the footsteps of Robert McColley, Dr. Block, and the dude from Silver Khrome. They perfect and patent their creations with deliberate intentions.
Unfortunately a lot of hybridizers don't really have the passion or the imagination needed to produce the plant similar to what you mentioned..
Yep, it'll be nice if they get the ideas from us consumers, collectors, influencers.
The problem with hybridizing is that the parents must be compatible. Several people have attempted to cross spiritus-sanctii with melanochrysum, verrucosum and gloriosum. While all are Philos, the genetics do not seem to be compatible (probably incompatible chromosome counts) and either no seed is produced or it is not viable. Because we haven't mapped the chromosomes of all of the aroids, the only way to produce new hybrids is through trial and error. While some groups of plants are amenable to wide crosses (where chromosome counts differ), aroids do not appear to be one of them. That said, I'd bet my last dollar that it is possible to cross at least one Philo with one Anthurium.
Dave, you're really on to something. I like your wish list ideas.Wait, when you went into your garden and fried up some food, you really got my ❤️House plants, beautiful home and he cooks? Love it
Thank you. I cut down on processed foods by about 20% so far by cooking more. That was my New Year goal.
Well, I'm movin in since you cookin...lol
Your imagination and commitment to detail is unmatched! I absolutely had no idea we would be frying green tomatoes towards the end of this video…but for some reason it just felt right! ✍🏼🍳 🫡
Thank you! I appreciate you vibing out.
I'm gonna get what I want, when I want it - YEP
Absolutely yes, I would immediately throw my money at a velvet long leaf philodendron or a giant leaf hoya. I hope you putting this out in the universe triggers some amazing things to happen with this intentional hybridization!
I actually just now came across a couple of videos where growers are attempting to do similar to what I mentioned in my video. So I think over time we’ll see something good.
BRILLIANT! BEST wish list video ever! ✨👏🏼👏🏼
Aw thanks!
Great ideas, but will they ever try to do what we want. I find the philo silver sword hardy plant that sizes up easily. Perhaps it could be crossed with another colorful philo that’s troublesome…like pink princess.
I love Ecuagenera. Their nursery is amazing. Definitely worth a trip to Orlando Florida. Visiting them was the highlight of my vacation last summer.
Nice, I hope to go down to Ecuador to tour their land soon.
Sounds like the WHAT IF...? plant addition scenario.
Keep the non existing wishlist ideas coming.
I'd like to see some art of these non existing plants.
If only I could draw lol. I’d like to see art work on them as well.
Great video Plant fam!!!
Love the content 🙌🙌🌱🌿
I think…I think there’s a place for both deliberate crosses to appeal to customers as well as crosses just because the plants bloomed. I say this because if you watch their lives (at least Ecuagenera Fl…idk about Ca) , some of the crosses are bomb and some, you can tell that someone was just d*cking around with plants because they like plants and since yields are so big if you know what you’re doing, they sell them.🤷🏾♀️ And I may be wrong, but that’s what it looks like.😅
I personally like Ecuagenera and other importers for my basics-I think the fact that they don’t seem get too deep into any of the coveted crosses (and I say that lightly since there is so much variation when crossing plants, even if they are the same as what was used for a very saught after hybrid), helps keep the market for certain plants from plummetting.
But yeah, it looks like the general consensus is that 2024 is the year of crosses/hybrids. Personally, I’m just gonna stay on my “I like what I like” train-if it’s a hybrid? Cool. If it’s some regular sh*t? Cool. I like plants.😅
Have you considered creating your own deliberate cross? (You may talk about this, but I haven’t finished the video, yet. Oops.😅😭)
I agree, there is definitely a place for deliberate crosses, opportune crosses, and even tissue culture mutations. I think it's cool if these companies get ideas for deliberate crosses, from the actual consumer. Rather than throw out a bunch of similar looking crosses that get overlooked lol.
I don't think I'll be crossing Philos...they don't flower enough and I'm not willing to wake up in the middle of the night with a thermometer to pollinate them 😂.
@@AroidDistrict Hah, you said "ain't nobody got time for that".😆 I understand completely, though.
And I gotcha--you're definitely right about there being many similar looking crosses.
I hope some of these companies see your video--really your whole channel.
🤞
Hey ! ❤❤❤ your ideas about crossing over certain plants . But your on to something / so stop sharing and made it happen!! $$$😊😊😊
Oh trust me, I've tried lol. I'll leave that to the career professionals, who have that kind of time.
When you picked that tomato I said to myself, “I KNOW he ain’t ‘bout to make no fried green tomatoes!” Whatchu know about that? 😆 The look DELICIOUS!
Lol, my father use to make Fried Green Tomatoes when I was younger. I thought it was ridiculous back then…now I’m doing it.
I don't know how I miss this Son.❤
Good for you.Garden this time of year.🥶🙏
Lynamii is a crawler😊 nice thoughts about hybridization 😊
All the plants are beautiful, Dave. That dinner plate hoya is so cool on that branch! 😊
Interesting video. I have not seen this type of “wish list” before. Actually most toy hobbyist wish list is like this (ie: “wouldn’t it be cool if someone make a figure of this…”) but first time I’ve seen applied to the plant hobby. Very interesting bro!
Thanks, I have the same type of discussions with car enthusiasts.
Philodendron Silver Sword x Burle Marx Fantasy, syngonium erythrophyllum x pink splash, dieffenbachia Camouflage x a smaller more compact dieffenbachia.
Yo these are genius and I can imagine them all.
the panko/flour combo is def clutch!
Exactly!
Us old people had to be patient for everything before the internet, dependent on trade shows, festivals, etc. for rarer stuff. Fried green tomatoes remind me most of fried eggplant, not a lot going on there.
Ok
Thank you for saying what you did about hybridizing in the beginning! I'm so over seeing sales for crosses that are miles long like ((AxB)x(CxD))x(AxC). Like, what?! I don't know what that's gonna look like nor does it even have any meaning to me at that point. They need to be more intentional, like you said.
Also I realize your main point is that they need to think about the characteristics of the plants they're crossing, as opposed to my angst at long crosses in general. I'd be fine with a long list of crosses that clearly have some thought behind them.
You’re welcome, yeah I agree with you. I guess we can only hope and wish. I’ll def do my part with being intentional about Anthuriums. I don’t like the hype around all these names involved, which is why the only option is to come up with your own name once you created your own “unique” Anthurium.
Just found your channel and had to subscribe!
Oh wow! Thank you, I'm a fan of your content.
Philodendron Varicosum x Spiritus Sancti would be so amazing!
I was pondering this looking at my own collection recently.
I don't expect to get them to bloom in PHX AZ
Nice I’d quickly buy a Spiritus/Verru or Spiritus/Melano. I’m guessing you’d have a good chance of Spiritus blooming in PHX. Prob just needs a couple of cooler outdoor nights to trigger bloom. Once it’s mature obviously.
Had to do a little google action on this one, but I do wonder (and hope) we get intergeneric hybrids in the houseplant world soon, they do technically exist, even in nature and of course manmade - tangelos are a good example, triticale (wheat x rye), and a plant called Heucherella is apparently a two genus-hybrid as well. It would be cool to see a Hoya/ large leaf Aroid cross one day
Exactly, I always knew about University studies and projects, where they did that with edible crops. We’ll see what happens with ornamental plants.
Lmaooooooo where is your melanochrysum?! 🤣 I’m so weak cause mine has been getting every single emerging leaf chopped off for being dumb!
As far as the different hybrids I think they know something we don’t because there should definitely be more diff. shaped velvets in rotation!
My Melano was bipolar, so I finally slam dunked it into the trash can. But maybe you can convince “Tropicals” to give the people what we looking for lol.
Btw, like you said, the only Hoya I can think of with that aroid-type size is _H. latifolia_ aka the dinner-plate Hoya. What other Hoya really is huge?? 🤔
The biggest Hoya that I’ve seen on the Internet is the Loyceandrewiana, which is adult human head size in some photos. Hoya Elephant and Latifolia are the other large size leaves I know of.
I bought the seedlings and they are still small they have not grown. I have been doing what you said to do. Plus i have it on a seedling heat pad. I dont do instagram.
It's ok, I'll check your local weather and send out a more established one that's actively growing.
Soooo what you're sayin is, the 5 million cuttings i have of my melano is a waste of my time? Bahahaha trust i bought one of those mfers last year and be makin cuttings legit every 2 months. I hate her 🤣
🤣, I can NOT give you hope in regards to that damn Melano. It doesn’t size up for me and gets fungal spots.
Also i enjoy that garden to table segment!
For me, when it comes to anthuriums, I am actually sick of hybrids, there are so many plain looking hybrids that people like to promote as special with so many stupid names that noone really cares about. I miss good old pure, mother nature created varieties to be more available, but it is very hard to get them because the market is oversaturated with infinite hybrids.
I understand. I can’t grow species well, so I’m all for the hybrids. I also figured the species can be left in the wild to “Mother Nature” if we made our own hybrids at home.
nowadays most species are not being taken from the wild, they are being propagated from that plants people already have, that way if the species ever get extinct in the wild, it can be repopulated from private collections @@AroidDistrict
Be careful taking branches from trees outside and using them as support for your indoor plants. I did that a few years ago and started getting root rot, mold, fungus’s, and other weird issues. I’m positive it was coming from the outdoor branches I was introducing to my collection. Our houseplants don’t have the ability to fight off these diseases like the plants outside could.
All branches from outdoors should be treated before bringing inside. Pour boiling water over them, alcohol spray, and matte clear sealer.
@@AroidDistrict Love the idea of sealing them. I never did any of that just threw them at my plants and it didn’t go well lol.
Oohhh nothing better than fried green tomatoes 😋 I’m with you, long strappy velvet. Oh wait A. Pallid covers that well. 😂🫶🏼💚
Yeah there are Anthuriums that cover the strappy velvet look. I rather have that look on a Philo. It'll climb and be pendant, rather than hang.