@@TheRemnantRadio this video was so great, it really blessed me! Not sure if you guys take topic requests, but if Sam ever comes back, I would love to hear his views on how exactly this gift can be pursued, received, and practiced. Personally, I received this one time during prayer unexpectedly, it kinda startled me at first. I have other friends who received it by "practicing" syllables in faith as a way to start. I'm not sure if both these ways are biblical? Also, sometimes my tongues don't feel like the first time, and sometimes they don't come very often...is there a way to "fan the flame" with this gift? How do you grow in it? Is it unbiblical to believe there is a common grace for EVERY believer to receive this gift?
Erick Diaz Sam storms is coming on here in a month or two. But we are not talking about tongues. If you want to know his thoughts I would really encourage you to pick up his book in the description. It is my absolute favorite book on the subject
One night, I and a friend were sharing the Lord with a Muslim college students. We got on the topic of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and tongues. The Muslim man wanted to here what tongues sounded like so my friend told him, the first thing I said when I first spoke in tongues was, and as he spoke the Muslim fell to his knees and said, you just said in Aramaic, your heaven, your heaven is calling me! He gave his life to Jesus right then and there! It was like Acts 2 ! We were amazed by the Lords working in his life!
The discussion asked about evidence of a prayer language. I, also, believe that worshiping *in spirit* or *in the Spirit* definitely includes tongues, and here are two more verses to add to the discussion: 😊 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 when I pray in an unknown tongue, *my spirit prays*...so I will "pray *in the spirit*...sing *in the spirit*".... John 4:23--24 "But a time is coming, and even now has arrived, when the true worshipers will worship the Father *in spirit* and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. *God is spirit*, and those who worship Him must *worship in spirit* and truth." Sooo powerful!
I was a cessationist until I was given a powerful vision of prophecy. It's amazing how blindly I followed teaching rather than scripture. I don't know yet about tongues, but I am praying about it.
Praise God! How some cessationists can do both a good service to the Body through sound exegesis and at the same time a great deal of damage through intellectual pride.
The same here🤭 I was a very firm cessationist/baptist, but God humblef me. One morning (I was 4yo believer) the Holy Ghost fell on me filled me up (hard to describe, was very powerful) and i started to pray in tongues and since then my serving of the Lord started to be more powerfull.
This is one of the best discussions I have heard on this topic. Due to the abuses of this gift I have witnessed, I wasn't sure of my tongue speaking so stopped for a while. As I started to doubt. I did see God move when I started in faith speaking in tongues again. It's something I need to seriously return to. His answer at the end was spot on.
If it was a divine gift from God to you, and not sth you "fake", you couldn't question it in the first place. Why can't you be certain if it were God? What is responsible for the controversies about the gift of tongues? Is it not because of the vagueness of the ecstatic gibberish called tongues? If your speech can be proved sufficiently in a number of occasions, no one would doubt that you have a gift of tongues. Where this is not the case, definitely you do not have the biblical gift of tongues.
I was at a Messianic Jewish congregation in Toronto, where they had a guest speaker who had been a Messianic Rabbi missionary to Asian countries and throughout Europe. He said he the gift of tongues and that we could test him. The Messianic congregation look like the United Nations because it was made up of a lot of foreign people. Anyway to make a long story short, the guest speaker started speaking in all different languages that various people within the congregation who came from other countries recognized and then answered him back in their language and they were able to have conversations. He spoke German, and German people recognized him as speaking that, and he spoke Urdu, Punjabi, a rare nearly dead African language, on and on he went, and each time someone stood up and said "you're speaking my language". He told how God would send them to these different countries, and as soon as someone spoke to him in their language, God gave him the gift to not only understand it but to speak it. It was an amazing demonstration. And I knew those people personally in that congregation because my wife and I were also a member, so I knew they weren't planted there.
Where in the Scripture is a person's experience the test of truth? The word of God is the standard by which we judge experience and EVERY REFERENCE to signs and wonders occurring in the last days is said to be the work of satan. Get out your concordance and see for yourself.
@@bradjohnson8100 Did you even watch the video. What he described is what Sam EXPLICITLY explained in scripture and what is EXPLICITY seen in Acts 2. Good gracious. Relax. His experience CLEARLY matches up with scripture.
@@bradjohnson8100 there are times in scripture where experience proves truth. For instance the disciples believed Jesus was raised from the dead because they experienced meeting him, Paul in the letter to the Galatians appeals to the miracles they have experienced as proof of the gospel, the book of Revelation is based on a vision that John experienced.
I watched Dr. Sam yesterday in a video with other pastors/professors about Eschatology. I was checking out his books and saw he wrote about these things. This is a blessing. I'm Reformed, but when it comes to cessationism I'm not sure, although I see the need to be cautious. Finding this chanel and knowing of Dr. Sams has been a blessing.
Because in 1 Cor 13 Paul says "those I speak with tongues of men (like acts 2) or of angels (unknown). 1 Cor 14:2 says he who speaks in an unknown tongue speaks NOT TO MAN but to God. There is a purpose for both instances of tongues.
@@BEABEREAN10 Do you think it's possible that Paul is speaking hyperbolically--using deliberate exaggeration--to make his point about the importance of love? I ask because in the local context he makes five statements in parallel and all strike me as hyperbole: "If I speak with the tongues of humanity and angels…" "If I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge…" "…if I have all faith so as to remove mountains…" "…if I give away all my possessions to the poor…" "…subject my body that I may boast…" These seem like statements concerning the highest idealized level of commitment/attainment, rather than literal statements per se. Do angels have their own spoken languages? Perhaps so. Judging from scriptural examples, they do seem to speak HUMAN languages when they choose to communicate with us, however. What would be the PURPOSE of gifting a human being to speak in an angelic language if there was never an angel present for them to need to communicate with? I honestly don't know. And a person praying to God can do so in any human language they already know since God is omniscient and can't fail to understand them. God himself is the MOST capable language speaker of all!
@@ChipsAplentyBand ahh! This is fun! I wrote this a year ago and have better understanding now! Definitely written with hyperbole and I believe that most tongues should be assumed to be real languages... however; I would never rule out God's ability or purpose in giving someone an angelic tongues language. I'm not saying God definitively does this, but i also don't think angels original language was a natural human language...therefore it is possible they have a different Language that God could also give to a human for whatever reason... though unlikely. But regardless, it does say you speak mysteries in tongues. Some could argue that these are not mysteries to God (he knows all) and you are actually praying out things that you don't realize as you pray in tongues because it is lead by the Spirit. Most of what I think we in the west hear as gibberish, is actually real languages...it's just that we are only familiar with the sounds of Latin based language and some Asia Pacific sounding languages. Yet there are over 7000 active languages today so we couldn't possibly assume that everyone would be recognizable. I have heard instances of people who thought they spoke in tongues of angels because they were unlearned like I was, but then a visitor at a church heard them speaking in tongues and could clearly understand everything they were speaking in their native tongue.
I love this. I had a tongues experience in my own private prayer time. I could remember the phonetics of what was said and began typing what I could remember into Google translate and it translated to a very meaningful word from God that absolutely relates to my situation and what I was feeling in my heart. It was a real language from the Middle East that I absolutely do not know. Another lady at my church typed in the phonetics of what she remembered from her experience with the gift of tongues and it was absolutely a language that she had never learned also.
He says he doesn't DISTINGUISH between the (public) "gift" and private "grace" like many, but I still can't tell whether Sam Storms believes that ALL believers CAN speak (pray privately) in tongues (and should therefore seek/pursue the ability).
I think that when Jesus appeared to His disciples after His resurrection, He breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit", this is when they were born again. Jn. 20. They were baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.
I was looking into this too. But when you read the entire end of John in context, you will see that Jesus goes to all different kinds of disciples at different moments to show them that He has ressurected. Disciples don't have to mean 'The 12', but rather anyone who is a follower of Jesus. We know that Peter, John, James, Thomas, and Nathanael were not present when Jesus breathed on those disciples in John 20, because it isn't until later that Jesus appears to them to show them his ressurected body (John 21:1-2). So, it's not proof that those in the upper room at pentacost had a 'second' baptism, because we don't know that they ever had a first. I hope that this makes sense!
Thank you for sensible discussion on tongues. I have this gift, it sounds like a full language (not jibberish with repeated stuttered syllables), i use it privately, and i don't feel super special bc of it. Tongues are a secondary gift & not essential to salvation.
i agree with everything you just said, you are basically a female me, ive never actually met anyone who in person that speaks in tongues and truly understands the gift
Ever thought of recording it and transcribing what you hear in a syllabary? Linguists do this in their study of glossolalia (speaking in tongues). Perhaps you'll find that you've been speaking in a known language that you 've never learned before!
Mine also sounds like an actual language. But I think it might be two or three at different times. Like I can tell when there's a difference in vowel pronunciation. I can hear new vocabulary. One sounds like an ancient south American indigenous language. The other a modern (maybe) South African tongue. Then there are instances when I shout in praise. And I'm not sure if it's a language or what Paul calls and utterance where my spirit is just expressing itself. It's a mystery, but I don't try to figure it out too much haha
This only happened to me once, as I was filled with the Holy Spirit 20 years ago. I had not read the Bible and had no church upbringing and so did not know what was happening. At the time I defined the experience as being of the Holy Spirit and definitely not me, as if what was occurring was for my edification in the future when I would first read of this phenomena later on as I did read the Bible. This has never happened since, whether a heavenly language (which I think that was) or an earthly language for the edification of the Body. I have heard the vain babblings that are copy and pasted into the mouths of naive Christians (and deceivers) and do sometimes think that I might have quenched any genuine gift given to me so as to not be numbered amongst them. Having said that, who am I to stop God doing what He wills? I have definitely experienced the gift of faith, whereby there is an absolute knowing in prayer or evangelism that God shall move in power in a person's life or situation. I love it when that happens but have also seen that gift abused by others through the misunderstanding of what was happening - some church folk would say that they wished they had my faith, as if it came from me and not Him and as if it could be taught or worked for. I have witnessed the same misunderstanding over other gifts such as tongues and prophecy. The one gift that I see being overlooked completely is the discerning between different spirits, even to the point of outright rejection and especially so in the false prophetic movement. I can testify that discerning between spirits is a hard gift to handle, for it brings anger and rejection. I left a fellowship that was about to put me out when I warned them that a particular man was of a different spirit and knowingly serving Satan. That fellowship eventually crashed into a heap of ruins, though God in His amazing grace is rebuilding it.
@SamStorms, (15:00 - 17:00) I'd like to ask why you're "vertical" rather than "horizontal" view for speaking to God (1 Co 14:2) should prevail since the whole focus of chapter 14 concerns "edification." Does God need to be edified? Why is it not more compelling that when there was no one there of that language to be edified, that only God would understand it? I am sure God does not need to be edified. Such a course does not require that it is suddenly a "heavenly language", does it? Why doesn't Occam's razor compel the horizontal rather than your vertical stance? Indeed, isn't the horizontal the actual scope of the text? "So you° also, if you° do not give distinct speech through the foreign language, how will it be known what is spoken? For* you° will be speaking to air. 1 Co 14:10 If the varieties of foreign voices in the world are so-many, as it may be, and yet none are unintelligible. (MLV) Additionally, Paul says "And I know such a man (whether in the body or outside of the body, I do not know; God knows), 12:4 that he was seized up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not legal for man to speak." MLV (ModernLiteralVersion.org). The only argument for a heavenly language left would be 1 Co 13:1 where, "even of angels" is hyperbolic, because it is not teaching a doctrine that men can actually speak in heavenly languages, especially when the same inspired writer (in 2 Co 12:4) says it's illegal.
I would like to hear your guest's thoughts on using 1st Corinthians 1:22, 14:22 and 2nd Corinthians 11:4 to teach that tongues are not for today, just a sign for unbelievers, and the signs ended after Acts 28? Also, Acts 2 lists 15 known languages. The tongues phenomenon is on shaky grounds scripturally.
I wouldn't say I was a cessationist. But in my late teens early adulthood. I was more interested in being away from charismaticky anything. Until I decided to try going to an alter call at my dad's church to receive toungues. I didn't wanna go up at first but I did. And something supernatural happened to me my mouth started moving without me and the spirit filled my entire body and wept. And it shook me like crazy. I was in shock about what happened. Since then I speak in tongues. I should more tbh I don't do as much I should.
"I don't think that there is any necessary physical evidence" How about Acts 8:18-19 and 10:45-46. In Acts 19:6 it's apparent to me that Paul was expecting something to happen when he laid hands on those 12 disciples. I felt power when I was baptised with the Holy Spirit. That is what Jesus said would happen Ac. 1:8 "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
You are perfectly on point! Praying in tongues or praying with the spirit is NOT equivalent to praying in the Holy Spirit. Jude 20, Eph. 6:18, Rom. 8:26. Holy Spirit intercedes FOR us, with groanings void of words! Not same as speaking words in tongues. In jude and ephesians, we pray IN THE POWER of the Holy Spirit, not in the power of our spirit.
We receive the spirit the moment we believe and place our faith in Jesus, there is no 2nd filling of the spirit, tongues were used to spread the gospel in other languages, people are building entire doctrines around it and telling people they're not saved unless the do it, that is not biblical, tongues are languages not gibberish, people do speak on tongues more than the gospel its ridiculous
It's Correct that it is not biblical to tell people they're not saved if they can't speak it. It's a gift. Something used to empower Believers and help in effective ministry. In my experience it has helped make my relationship with God stronger and absolutely enhanced my prayer life, although it doesn't make me any more saved than you are. I hope, though, that the church wouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater because some people equated salvation to "the power of tongues". That's not biblical. What IS biblical is tongues as an Earthly language and groanings and utterances of the spirit which Paul does say man cannot understand. I'm going to leave that there.
How does one know if they have the gift of tongues or not since a person can pray in an unknown language? Example: If I’m attempting to pray in the spirit, how can I tell if I’m uttering gibberish or if I do indeed have the gift?
The words are just there without effort to bring them up. And you can just keep going as long as you keep letting the words come out, it’s like a faucet, almost, the words aren’t hidden, they just appear regardless of knowing the meaning. Most of the time one doesn’t have the gift of interpretation while one has the gift of tongues, that’s why if you use it in public you need an interpreter. And if you use the gift while praying and you don’t know what to say to God after a while you feel uplifted by using the angelic language to speak to God. Usually you will notice the expression of tongues after someone prays for you in Spirit, that is, to release the Holy Spirit for you, like being baptized in water except this is baptize in Spirit. And the words will just be there ready to tumble out of your mouth without having thought them up. In other words, you just know it’s the gift and not gibberish because of where it comes from within you, although it usually sounds like gibberish because you don’t usually have both gifts at the same time, so it’s mostly a private thing if you don’t have an interpreter.
@@LoriDRBlake thank you for replying. I proposed that question a year ago. And I’m still praying for that gift. Something I have noticed in local assemblies, especially during worship is that sometimes when people are really into it, as in really praising God, it can become very emotional. I myself get emotional every now and then. But even just this last Sunday a man next to me was really praising God. And he’s crying outloud as he’s speaking to God. And then all of sudden his speech changes to sha la da da da da da. Repeatedly for a minute or two. And then he just went back to thanking and praising in English. Maybe that was real tongues. I don’t know. I’m staying objective here. But from an outside perspective. It’s kind of like crying, once a person starts crying, it’s kind of difficult to just stop. I can see how the gift of tongues could be like that. And it’s usually difficult to speak whenever your crying. It is for me anyways. But it seemed to me that the man who was next to me was so emotional that it was difficult for him to keep speaking English so he started speaking out gibberish. And I think maybe he done this because in his Pentecostal upbringing, that is the acceptable thing to do. Overall, from what I’ve personally have seen, I always hear people speak in tongues when they’re in a very emotional state. I have yet heard anyone pray in tongues in just their normal prayer without being emotional. And others who claim to have that gift, I’ve asked when do you mostly speak in tongues. And it’s always when their in a state of overwhelming emotion. So then it makes me question whether or not they actually have the gift or not. On the flip side, some say they can go into praying in tongues at any point, as in they enact it, then the spirit takes over their speech. But, I’ve never heard anyone do it, besides those who have recorded themselves on TH-cam. And I question both scenarios because I, by myself have tried speaking in tongues just like I’ve heard and I sound the exact same as them. So I know I could fake and convince everyone if I wanted to. I won’t because I would feel ashamed for doing so. But, just because I feel ashamed doesn’t mean that others will feel ashamed. Especially if they’ve grown up just doing it because that’s what they thought they were supposed to do. So what are you thoughts on that?
Do you guys have a list available anywhere of authors/speakers on continuationist topics that are biblically solid? I found you all through my familiarity with Dr. Storms, but I don't know who/what else to seek out on these topics that require minimal seed-spitting.
@The Remnant Radio I was bought up in a charismatic church and was encouraged to ‘speak in tongues’ I now know it’s a complete misunderstanding of scripture! 1 Corinthians 14:2 ‘For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God’ Paul is not talking about some sort of heavenly private prayer language..he is talking about real known earthly languages. For instance..if I am French and I am in a church assembly amongst Spanish speaking people, and I pray out or speak out in my native French language (tongue) without somebody to interpret, I ‘speak not to men but to God’ Paul is bringing correction to the church, that unless there’s an interpreter, nobody understands…Paul is clearly bringing them correction, clearly emphasising the importance of the whole body being built up, NOT oneself…Paul mentions ‘building up the church’ as the preference at least7 times in 1 Cor 14 when read in the correct context. Once you see it you can’t unsee it! Sadly many Christian’s are deceived, believing tongues is s special way of edifying oneself. In my experience, if I ‘spoke in ‘tongues for a few minutes each day, I actually believed I was ‘building myself up.’! Hey, Christian, the best way to build yourself up is to read the bible! In your native language preferably!
Could you share a Christian group you were staying with in Croatia? I'd like to connect with a healthy group. Also, are you maybe planning to come back and if yes how could I be notified on it? Thanks!
Acts 1:5 /baptized with the Spirit/ Acts 1:8 /Spirit Comes Upon you/ (Power) Acts 2:4 Filled with the Spirit Romans 8:11 /The Spirit that Dwelleth in You/ Different experiences or different terminologies for the same thing? 1 Corinthians 12:13 /By one Spirit are we all Baptized into one body.../ is this an entirely different experience Or is this the same as Acts 1:5?
What about Acts 10:45-46? "They were astonished that the gift of the holy spirit was poured on the gentiles for they heard them speak with tongues". This sounds like initial evidence or a definite sign of the spirit infilling.
I woke up 2 nights ago And I spoke 2 definite Foreign words something like Arabic but not Arabic I said oh I'm speaking in my prayer language in my sleep , then I realize no that's not how my prayLanguage sounds. I woke up and asked father God what was that about. I'm still pressing father God for a answer. What do you think 🤔
"I happen to be of the conviction that Spirit baptism occurs at the point of conversion for all Christians." I'm surprised at that statement. Scripture doesn't support that at all. In the book of Acts we have two main examples of people being baptised with the Holy Spirit; one example where people seemed to receive the Holy Spirit soon after repentance and water baptism, Acts 2:38. Other examples when it happened later; Acts 8:12 & 14-17 and Acts 19:1-7. Also, sometimes it came directly from Jesus in heaven such as Acts 2:1-4 and Acts 10:44-46 and sometimes it happened when hands were laid on in Acts 8:17, 9:17 and 19:6. I submit to you also that all those who were in the house on the day of Pentecost were converted beforehand. That is just an ignorant statement without scriptural backing. I had been born again two years before I was baptised with the Holy Spirit because I was in a cessationist church and the Lord Jesus brought me out of that deception and baptised me.
I have experienced interpreting my prayer language in great praise in words that I would not normally praise Him. I was called a heretic! Is this a truth?
The instructions in 1 Corinthians 14 make no sense in the context of tongues that are operating like what's described in Acts 2. Why would you need an interpreter due to the absence of understanding, if the gift itself were speaking in *the hearer's own* language -- which is what happened in Acts 2?
I would be open to debate cessationism on this show. I'm a cessationist therefore would disagree with Sam's assessment on what tongues are. Furthermore I would also contend that the kind of "tongues" that he speaks in, anyone, saved or lost could do. To be honest I have observations Sam has never even thought of.
I like a lot of what Dr. Storms said but disagree with his saying 1 Cor. 14:22 being a negative sign to the unbeliever. I don't see that from the Scriptures.
The absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence--yes-- couldn't that apply to the presence of an interpreter? But *how is the church supposed to know if there is one?* I submit that if you receive a message in tongues, you should give it, and wait and see. Then pray for the interpretation if no one else gives it.the Bible says to pray that you can interpret. I interpreted tongues, once. A man spoke in tongues and no one interpreted, and no one interpreted, and I knew in my heart what he had said! So I spoke out. I was very surprised. And everyone received it. And the enemy said to me in my mind, you made that up! And I said, no I didn't, no one else had it, did they! We must step out in faith if we want to be used.
I've been seeking to find out truth about this, and though Paul's breakdown is clear, it does have some parts where you pause to question praying in Tongues. My big misunderstanding I guess is, if those that interpret and believe Paul tells us to pray in the Spirit or Tongues, why are the same believers claim its ok if you don't pray in Tongues that you are still saved? Also, my understanding from scripture is that times Holy Spirit has interceded in prayer in Tongues, it's not forced or started by believer, one passage says believers spirit was slained by the Holy Spirit. Would that not confirm that the Holy Spirit would bring it out in you instead of just starting to say unknown syllabus in faith that at some point Holy Spirit takes over? Also, if praying in tongues is claimed by referring to the Holy Spirit groaning during prayer, it does say its through groans that can not be uttered, in other words its not words and probably not groaning that happens out of a believers mouth. Maybe someone could help me understand better or come to realize where I am misunderstanding the Word.
The Bible is clear that speaking in tongues is not giving to everyone. Speaking in tongues is also not praying in the spirit so given the fact that speaking in tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit, that is not given to everyone, it has no bearing on your salvation whatsoever.
I wonder: WHY would anyone ever NEED a 'special prayer language?' What purpose would it serve? God already understands all human languages in all time periods and is able to hear/understand anyone's prayers. Even regional accents aren't a problem for God, although they sometimes are for me. Christians don't even have to pray ALOUD. We can pray in our thoughts alone or in written form on paper if need be too (e.g., in the case of mutes) or even using sign language. Since Paul wrote "There are undoubtedly all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning." (1 Cor.14:10) WHY is the meaning inherent in tongues NOT APPARENT to the person who is uttering it? I'm curious here WHY TONGUES-SPEAKERS THEMSELVES DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING WHILE THEY SAY IT(!) How can that be? How does that work? In 'everyday' speech, people's minds generate thoughts which are then quickly formulated into verbally-expressed sentences. If the thorny issue with tongues is that they are foreign languages known only to some present who hear them spoken, how can the speaker himself/herself NOT know what their own thoughts are which their foreign language utterances express? For example, I'm a native English-speaking American who has studied German. But whether I say "There isn't any." OR "Es gibt keines." I still KNOW IN ADVANCE what it is that I'm saying even as I say it. WHERE is the 'on/off switch' for a person able to speak in tongues? How do they know how to 'turn it on' and begin? If tongues-speakers themselves don't know what they are saying as they say it, then their utterances can't be the products of their own minds and thoughts as with everyday speech. So then, during an extended tongues utterance WHERE do the speaker's mind and thoughts GO? Does the speaker's mind continue on along some separate internal mental channel while their mouth forms speech on autopilot with 'a mind of its own?' In that case, WHO is operating the speaker's mouth for them? And what independent thoughts WAS the speaker having while their mouth was busy speaking 'on autopilot' about something else? Could someone in the process of speaking in tongues mentally recite John 3:16 to themselves in their mind at the same time? I'm not trying to be irreverent here, but would be very interested to hear a tongues-speaker's responses to my questions as someone who witnesses their own tongues-speaking 'from the inside.' Any takers?
There is no basis whatsoever to assume that speaking in tongues in Acts is different from that in 1 Corinthians. Those that sought the gift of tongues at a very early stage of the pentecostal movement were after tongues of Acts 2, not unintellible gibberish. It was only many centuries later that men, upon failure to obtain the biblical tongues, resort to some deceptive "private prayer language".
Regarding 1st Corinthians 14:5: 1. The verses immediately preceding and a few there after point to the fact that Paul was adressing public prayer by individuals taking turns at praying in front of an assembly. She is not talking whatsoever about it he corporate tongue speaking in the congregation. That concept is foreign to this chapter. 2. Verse 5 is in the present indicative. This implies, in view of the context, that Paul was encouragin that tongue speaking, before the congregation continues, but with the goal of edification through interpretation, so people listening can say "amen" to what is being prayed by individuals. Therefore, this in no way teaches that the other Corinthians were not tongue speakers. In fact, Paul implies that everybody in Corinth were indeed tongue speakers by suggesting that he spoke in tongues more than all of them.
At the 15:06 mark I was surprised that Sam started to advance a series of speculations when he didn’t have answers for what was meant by “various kinds of tongues”. Angelic or specially crafted heavenly language. There’s no evidence for either.
This is interesting.. I started watching video and just decided to rewind it forward, and I just randomly clicked on the part when Joshua started talking about his experience on talking on Croatian, and I am Croatian.. isn't that funny..
Is there a tongue/language God understands better? Gibberish talk is mystical and there is no basis for comparison in scripture! When does Paul speak in tongues/ languages more than others? Is bragging or keeping score? Go and make disciples in all nations! M28:19 What will you speak? Other earthly tongues/languages!!!!
There is no such thing as a ‘prophetic tongue’. Read 1 Corinthians 14, paying special attention to verses 2, 14 16 & 28. As you will see, whereas prophecy is God speaking to the church, all speech in tongues is speech directed to God. To be valid, any interpretation of tongues must by definition be of a person speaking to God. It would appear the ‘prophetic tongue’ to which you refer is based on the same teaching as the so-called ‘messages in tongues’ teaching found in some Pentecostal circles. Under the ‘messages in tongues’ teaching, it is claimed that an ‘interpretation of tongues’ can be of a message from God to an individual or to the church; in other words, a prophecy. This teaching is a distortion of the plain meaning of everything the Apostle Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14 about tongues and their interpretation, especially as he was writing about the use of these gifts in a congregational setting - the very setting in which the ‘messages in tongues’ doctrine is typically said to apply. Notably, there isn’t a single New Testament, or early church record of God speaking through a ‘message in tongues’. There is likewise a complete absence of writings by those commonly referred to as the ‘Apostolic Fathers’ or ‘Church Fathers’, supporting the ‘messages in tongues’ teaching. Even Gordon Fee, a well-respected Pentecostal theologian and ordained minister of the Assemblies of God church, criticizes the ‘messages in tongues’ teaching, saying: _Although it is quite common in Pentecostal groups to refer to a “message in tongues”, there seems to be no evidence in Paul for such terminology. The tongues-speaker is not addressing fellow believers but God (cf. vv. 13 14, 28), meaning therefore that Paul understands the phenomenon basically to be prayer and praise._ _The interpretation of the tongue brings it within the framework of intelligibility, which in turn means that it too can edify the community. This does not imply that such a tongue is to be understood as directed to the community, but what the person has been speaking to God has now been made intelligible, so that others may benefit._ and: _it is evident that for Paul “tongues” is an expression of prayer and praise, not a word directed primarily to the community._ See Fee, G. D. (1987). _The First Epistle to the Corinthians._ Grand Rapids: Eerdmans Publishing Company, pp.656, 668, & 218ff. In a similar vein, John Williams writes: _Many charismatic fellowships need to reflect more on this matter. … though it is out of order, a prophecy may follow a tongue. If, however, an interpretation properly follows a tongue, the results will be different. The interpretation will be of the praise, mystery or supplication offered; the prophecy will be essentially edification, exhortation or consolation._ See: Williams, J. R. (1996). Salvation, The Holy Spirit and Christian Living. In _Renewal Theology: Systematic Theology From a Charismatic Perspective (Vol. 2)._ Grand Rapids: Zondervan. p. 406. It is important to pay attention to what Scripture says actually about tongues and their interpretation, rather than imposing a teaching upon it to explain away the aberrant behaviour of some in the church. The ‘messages in tongues’ teaching is also defended on the basis of a claim that prophecy is equal to tongues and interpretation, per 1 Corinthians 14:5. What that verse says is: _The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up._ (ESV) Quite clearly, what Paul is referring to here is worth of the _speaker_ , not worth of what is spoken, much less its content. In other words, a _prophet_ (not the prophecy) is greater than a _tongue-speaker_ (not the utterance), unless what is said in tongues is interpreted; but even then it is the _persons_ (not the gifts or the content of what is said) who might be said to be equal. Indeed, 1 Corinthians 14:5 allows the possibility that a person speaking in tongues that are interpreted may on occasion be of less or greater value to the assembly than a person prophesying, not just of equal value.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh Thanks for this. I was always worried about the 'message in tongues' teaching. It's good to see prominent pentecostals such as Gordon Fee push-back against it.
Great discussion. I believe all can speak in tongues, but I also wouldn’t necessarily teach it at a church meeting because I do believe it’s more deductive than explicit. That being said, I’d want to know maybe how you guys or Sam would respond to Romans 12 when discussing the possible grace vs. gift distinction. Here we have a few gifts listed that include prophecy, teaching, exhortation, giving etc. No one in their right mind would say “Well I don’t have the gift of giving therefor I can’t give. Or I am not a teacher within the body therefor I can’t teach the Bible to an unbeliever. I don’t have the gift of exhortation so that precludes me from encouraging anyone.” Even 1 Cor 12 mentions the gift of faith. You can’t even be a follower of Christ without faith so obviously there is a sense in which these things are accessible by all believers to a degree but also restricted to some as a corporate gift. Would love to hear your thoughts as I have never actually heard a response to this line of argumentation, but I also don’t want to continue to use a bad argument if it’s in error. Also you guys should have way more subscribers. Fantastic program.
Great video, love the content. Only one “talking point” though. In Acts 10:47, after the gentiles are filled with the Spirit there is an interesting statement from Peter. Actually verses 45-47 break this out into context for us. Acts 10:45-47 (ESV): 45 “And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, 47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” So this scripture tells us that they were amazed because the gentiles had received the Spirit in the same manner they did. How did they know? Because they saw them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Peter and the other Jews looked at speaking in tongues as the initial physical evidence of the empowerment (or baptism) of the Holy Spirit.
No tongues are not a groan. Here in 1 Corinthians, tongues are with the spirit - praying with the spirit, not praying in the Holy Spirit or Holy Spirit interceding FOR us ( Rom. 8:26, jud 20, Eph. 6:18)
Praying with the spirit is NOT same as praying in the SPIRIT! Jude 1:20 and Eph. 6:18 agree on praying in the power of the Holy Spirit. This is NOT the same as praying in tongues!
Hearing a language rather than speaking it, as being the gift is weird idea. Why wouldn’t the holy spirit just translate the Greek or Aramaic being spoken, the babbling isn’t necessary.
No where does the Bible say what this man teaches. Paul teaches the opposite of what Dr. Storm teaches. Paul says praying in tongues is of no benefit to himself because he doesn't know what he is saying. "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also." 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 ESV Then in verse 22 Paul says tongues are for unbelievers. Opposite of what Dr. Storm teaches. It is a sign for unbelievers to hear the gospel in their own language. It is not restricted to prayer. Paul does not say he prays in tongues more. He says he speaks in tongues more. Why? Because Paul went all over the world preaching the gospel.
Corinthians 14:7 And even things without LIFE GIVING SOUND, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? Each wave of sound that is Gods word is modulated by two others, essentially triangulatung it. By have three waves, the faster you go the higher the frequency so you aways know where you are in space. It completely inverts Heisenbergs principle.
The “tongues” Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians are producing today is an entirely self-created phenomenon. It is non-cognitive non-language utterance; random free vocalization based upon a subset of the existing sounds (phonemes) of the speaker’s native language, and any other language(s) the speaker may be familiar with or have had contact with. It is, in part, typically characterized by repetitive syllables, plays on sound patterns and over-simplification of syllable structure. The most immediately recognizable result of these processes is that no two ‘speakers’ will ever have the same “tongue”. People believe something to be supernatural because they can't explain it otherwise. There are, of course, many things in religion which must be taken on faith; they can neither be proved nor disproved. "Tongues" however, is not one of these things. It is something very concrete and tangible; it is a phenomenon which can be (and has been) studied and analyzed. There is absolutely _nothing_ that “tongues-speakers” are producing that cannot easily be explained in natural and/or linguistic terms. People can describe the ‘tongues experience’, but in examining the mechanics behind it…not so much. When a person has experienced tongues, s/he is absolutely convinced as to the ‘scripturalness’ of his/her experience and the correctness of his/her doctrinal beliefs - this, despite the overwhelming scriptural absence of anything remotely akin to it. When it comes to something spoken, there are absolutely no Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, and cannot be explained in light of, real rational language(s). Mind you, I'm not doubting or questioning the 'experience'; glossolalia, as the tool that it is, can be very powerful. It is important to note however that this same statement can be made for virtually any other culture that practices glossolalia. “Tongues” is to some Christian believers a very real and spiritually meaningful experience but consisting of emotional release via non-linguistic ‘free vocalizations’ at best - the subconscious playing with sounds to create what is perceived and interpreted as actual, meaningful speech. In _some_ cases, I would argue that it is clearly a self/mass delusion prompted by such a strong desire to “experience God” that one creates that experience. Known by many different names, “tongues”, or more accurately “glossolalia”, is practiced by many cultures and religious beliefs from all over the world; it is relatively new to Christianity and certainly not unique to it.
Your argument could be made against first century believers. It’s an argument against the supernatural, that’s all it is. You could make the same human reasoning argument against the born again event/experience. It’s simply unbelief in the operation of the Holy Spirit.
@@cornellministries No, actually it is not - modern tongues-speech is what it is (non-cognitive non-language utterance). No matter how you look at it; it is not language. As a mentioned, when it comes to something spoken, there are no Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, or that cannot be explained in light of, real, rational language(s). Absolutely nowhere in the Bible is modern tongues-speech evidenced or advocated. People describe the experience, but in examining the “mechanics” behind it…well, not so much. When a person has experienced tongues, s/he is absolutely convinced as to the ‘scripturalness’ of his/her experience, and the correctness of his/her doctrinal beliefs - this, despite the overwhelming scriptural absence of anything remotely akin to what they’re doing. I'm not doubting or questioning the 'experience'; as mentioned, glossolalia as the spiritual tool that it is, can be very powerful and, for many people, the experience is profound. As one commenter put it, “Speaking in tongues distracts the ego/analytical/conscious mind while leaving the subconscious (the heart) wide open to import the divine." Both the spiritual and physical benefits of using this tool are also well documented. Again though, it is important to note that this same statement can be made for virtually _any_ other culture that practices glossolalia. Religious and cultural differences aside, the glossolalia an Evenki Shaman in Siberia, a vodoun priestess in Togo and a Christian tongues-speaker in Alabama are producing are in no way different from each other. They’re all producing their glossolalia in the exact same way; they just have different explanations and beliefs as to why they’re doing it, and where it comes from.
@@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474 it is interesting that a “self…delusion…created experience” dramatically drew me closer to Jesus, God’s Word, a boldness to tell others about Jesus, the gospel. I’ve seen/know the same in many others. As well, I’ve seen it abused to the point of being completely non-biblical. Again, your argument (and ones similar) is one grounded in unbelief of the operation of the Holy Spirit.
I have noticed that Angels always spoke to the people in those peoples language. Never a heavenly language. It seems all of the spiritual language speakers was spoken the language of the hearer. With a close inspection of the Word, the tongues today are not at all the tongues of the time when their was a need. The Bible was not completed and God tells us those gifts were to be temporary. To cease when the perfect Word completed. The last true account of tongues was in 70AD. Please watch out for deception on this as God does not speak to us by tongues and prophecies because it takes peoples eyes off of His Word. Since the instruction was written TO the Corinthian people, and not to us. It was instruction to them when the gifts were in effect and done away when the Word was completed in 95AD. Tongues didnt come back until 1906 and it was unbiblical. The requirements were there were unbelieving Jews present from all over the world to be legitimate, there was an interpreter to be present, and only one at a time and everyone heard in their own language. Must be done decently and orderly. Not so today. God wants us to use HIS WORD as it contains everything we need. Not some other tongue or language. Truly go to God in earnest prayer and ask HIM if this is correct or not. Please don't listen to every good talker that seems convincing and believe just anyone. Remember satan disguises himself as an angel of light and does wonders and miracles. This doctrine always gives glory to the "speaker" and not to Jesus, which is always wrong. This is a very dangerous doctrine. .
It's very clear from the book of Acts when Jesus instructed disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they receive power from on high until Peter and John go to Samaria and lay hands on the believers and they receive the spirit to when Cornelius house has believers who begin to prophesy and speak in tongues to when Paul asked if they've received the spirit and lays hands on the believers in Ephesus, that speaking in tongues goes along with receiving the holy the holy spirit and that is the evidence from acts 24 and Jesus said even before he died that these signs will follow that you will speak in other tongues so it's evident that it's the nominal Christian experience in the New testament to receive the holy Spirit and speak in a language you never learned. And I get frustrated to hear teachings from people whose first notion about tongues in the New testament is in Corinthians and expect to get any teaching when they haven't themselves gone through the nominal experience of a new testament believer to believe be baptized and be filled with the holy Spirit and speak in tongues. You guys just had Jackie pullinger on the program and if you read her first book you will hear her say that her converts most of the time didn't know what came first whether they believed in Jesus or spoken language they never learned so it's very clear as soon as you get away from learning about tongues from people who first start to study it out of Corinthians and try and make sense for the rest of us, that tongues is the evidence of receiving the Spirit just like the first disciples did And if it's good enough for them why shouldn't it be good enough for us?
The problem is that most of what we hear in pentecostal and charismatic services is literally gibberish and all sounds the same. same inflection, same everything. it is clearly learned by the attendees of the services over time. Can there be a situation with real languages? Yes. I would say that very well could be real. But the church's teaching others how to speak in tongues or calling everyone to the altar and telling them beforehand what to expect when they lay hands on you is the same trick mystics and magicians use all the time--conditioning. If you are told what to expect and how to react and you hear other around you speaking in some tongue, you may indeed give in to the pressure to manifest this. Groups do this all the time in every religion. Hindus speak in tongues on occasion, it's very well documented. Pagan religions speak in tongues, new agers sometimes speak in a tongue. None of those are really messages from God. Most of the interpretations are all alike. If it's God, why can't He tell us anything new that we don't already know? He only seems to say common things and at times, silly things. In some interpretations of tongues God supposedly even speaks heresy. Look at Churches like Bethel. they teach you how to speak in tongues. They released a video recently of a sermon by a lady in their Church where she even tells the congregation that all can prophecy and if she doesn't have a prophecy for someone, she just makes one up. Right here on youtube you can find the video along with many others. I don't believe that for 1900 years we had very few documented cases of tongues in the Church outside of quakers and the a few awakenings of revival, and then suddenly God restores it at Azusa Street. I think it's all learned, although there are instance of real languages reported. Those may be real, but that is clearly once in a blue moon.
The churches have tried, in part, to TEACH that which is either a gift already given or not given at all. They are trying to control the Holy Spirit in doing so or even trying to dismiss Him as if they know better. It is utterly ridiculous.
Nothing you say here addresses the fact that speaking in tongues is Biblical. I understand you don't believe it but that is simply a you issue. If the bible didn't teach it, there would be no issue.
Obviously, Paul said he spoke in tongues MORE than all, so that was not a gift of tongue that had to be interpreted. The proof of that is Paul himself laid hands on those in Acts 19 and they all, not just a few God wanted to give "the gift of tongues" to that needed an interpretation to be in "order", but they all spoke in tongues just as in Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10. Nowhere do we see the "gift of interpretation" in operation in Acts but neither are we told tongues in the public speaking was out of order. Peter in Acts 10 confirmed it was "in order" as he explained in Acts 11 how because of the "sign of tongues" in the believers that the same Holy Spirit was poured out upon the Gentiles as himself. The gift of tongues we read about in 1 Corithians is only given to "whom" God chooses not to all who ask as we see in Acts every time and in Luke 11:13. So, Paul must of have been speaking of a different type of tongue in 1 Corinthians 14 along with the gift of tongues he revealed in chapter 12 of 1 Corinthians. Whether you want to call it grace tongues, a unique gift of tongues, I do not care, all I know is God each time it is recorded anyone "for the first time" receiving the Holy Spirit upon experience, the baptism in the Holy Spirit, they ALL spoke in tongues. I think some of you guys are adding your own presuppositions in some of this tongue business. I pray in tongues daily as often as I can for almost 40 years, so I understand what the Apostle Paul stated in chapter 14 of 1 Corinthians.
I disagree with dr. Storms take on Jesus clear message about blasphemy of Holy Spirit. Christ said my sheep hear my voice and obey. And if some "Christians" attribute Holy Spirits work to satan than obviously they dont have Holy Spirit living in them and they hear not the masters voice.
we have to be careful what we say and make sure is always True. Speaking jibberish tongues is too risky of saying something we dont know what we are saying.
Speaking in tongues is the only time in life when the spirit is in charge of the body and soul. It is the physical evidence that the spirit realm exists. It is a manifestation of the supernatural. That is why many times a person can speak a human language they do not know. It is a great gift from God that points to the future that believers have in store. Then we will understand the heavenly language. Acts 2:4 NLT [4] And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability. Notice as the Holy Spirit gave them the ability. 1 Corinthians 13:12 NLT [12] Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.
Although the bible does teach that there is a gift of tongues (whatever you believe about that), the practice of speaking in tongues is ALSO an occult practice pedating Christianity. In these occult practices a god, spirit or soul takes control of you causing you to speak in an unknown language that is then translated by a prophet, witch doctor or magician/druid. The most important thing is that you are right with God and are following Him. If you open yourself to spiritual gifts without keeping your life and mind on God, any spirit can influence you. Remember the bible warned that "...Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14 and "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God" 1 John 4. I'm not saying "Don't speak in tongues", that's between you and God. I'm saying be careful and focus on the gospel.
Dr. Sam Storms "version" of what he thinks is the "baptism in the Holy Spirit" is not backed up in scriptures. Of course, there is a "second" or "another" or whatever helps you to believe, but we see clearly a difference in the book of Acts each time the Holy Spirit came upon them for the first time. His approach is NOT BRIDGE building, his position is TOTALLY contrary to the book of ACTS or the Pentecostal or Assembly of God's understanding of the actual understanding. We do not have to argue but please do not tell me the scripture does not say what it says, the Holy Spirit is NOT secondary!
Contradiction.... The Scripture presents tongues in the Assembly of the church. This guy is ok to lock them up behind close doors, not to have them in the public assembly. Duh!
Where in the Bible, 1 cor. 14 is there an instruction for private tongues? Paul is saying in that chapter DONT SPEAK IN TONGUES! IF YOU TAKE ALL THE VERSE NUMBERS AWAY AS IT WAS BEFORE THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT PAUL WAS ENDORSING TONGUES THERE?
What about the kundalini spirit and tongues uttered by other religions, what are we to make of that verses the babbling "shrr-rah-bab-bab-bah" utterances that you hear in churches? In 50 yrs I've never heard tongues interpreted, just the same old people jabbering while having some really messed up theology when it comes to other expressions of the faith who you wouldn't want to have teach your kids in Sunday School.
Satan counterfeits. That’s like saying you can’t believe in prophecy because false prophets existed. Or you can’t believe in biblical visions because pagans had demonic visions.
The grace of tongues? That’s literally nowhere in the Bible. The problem is we like to only take one or two sentences out of scripture and try to make a doctrine out of that. You have to read the whole passage in his contacts to get the full understanding. Our opinions are interpretations etc. do not matter the only thing that is true is the word of God, and it is untainted and uncompromised, what does the Bible say about speaking in tongues… Well tongues means language. So it’s really speaking in another language. And the Bible tells us that it is only for the unbeliever. We will have to stop trying to take away and add to the word of God. It’s already very specific on the subject and yet we still , do not teach correctly because we want to pretend like with the smartest person in the building. We need to stop having all these cowardice men teaching false information and stand up for what the Bible really says.
There’s no way Jesus didn’t speak in tongues! I thought Sam’s views were a little conservative. I understand Paul’s instruction of don’t speak in tongues without an interpreter but to me that means that the Corinthians were literally speaking from the pulpit in tongues and Paul was saying hey don’t do that it’s not edifying if it’s not interpreted. I think it’s okay to pray openly in tongues in a service and if unbelievers are preset it’s okay.
I am sorry guys, you can be all the woke you wish, but there is a major difference about the Holy Spirit from the Baptist as you seem to be based out of and the Pentecostal that is based out of the Holy Bible on the day of Pentecost. Neither have everything right about everything Bible, but the basis of believing about the Holy Spirit's power or baptism comes from the Day of Pentecost not the day of your salvation!
The way I see it, if speaking in tongues is a gift, it is meant to be the lowest gift. Paul said he would rather us prophesy. Isn’t being a Christian about preaching Christ crucified and telling the good news. I don’t desire the gift as it has been pushed down my throat so much even to the point of being told you are not saved if you don’t speak in tongues. Christians should keep their eyes focused on Jesus not on tongues.
New to Sam Storms ministry really enjoyed reading some of his stuff until I saw he had Christine Caine at a conference. This person is a mess theologically. Wow to bad Sam.
It's scary to feel that believers would seemingly be trying to discourage Speaking in tongues when it builds up the Believer. Sometimes it seems as if there is an attempt to discourage Speaking in tongues to replace it with a whole bunch of man made reasoning. There is no power in all the knowledge of the world. In the times of my grandfather people barely could read and had little education and were more filled with power and of Godly principles than our generation. They could pray you through and even saw resurection of dead and healing of the sick. It is so unfortunate that more "knowing" has turned down the Spirit's move.
The last time tongues were ever given was Acts 19, end of story. So Sam here is no different than "Sam I Am" in the Dr. Seuss fairy tale running around trying to get people to try his version of tongues. Now you could never do that with the real gift but you certainly can with the counterfeit. Anyone can do and teach the counterfeit. And like green eggs and ham they can be quite tasty. But yet completely unedifying to the partakers.
@@michelhaineault6654 How do you reconsile Paul forbidding to speak in tongues if there's no interpreter. Apparently they did speak in tongues without interpreter, just later Paul forbid them to do that.
Thank you guys for this, amazing! Bring him on againnnn
Joseph glad you enjoyed it. We absolutely anticipate have dr storms back.
@@TheRemnantRadio this video was so great, it really blessed me!
Not sure if you guys take topic requests, but if Sam ever comes back, I would love to hear his views on how exactly this gift can be pursued, received, and practiced. Personally, I received this one time during prayer unexpectedly, it kinda startled me at first. I have other friends who received it by "practicing" syllables in faith as a way to start. I'm not sure if both these ways are biblical? Also, sometimes my tongues don't feel like the first time, and sometimes they don't come very often...is there a way to "fan the flame" with this gift? How do you grow in it? Is it unbiblical to believe there is a common grace for EVERY believer to receive this gift?
Erick Diaz Sam storms is coming on here in a month or two. But we are not talking about tongues. If you want to know his thoughts I would really encourage you to pick up his book in the description. It is my absolute favorite book on the subject
One night, I and a friend were sharing the Lord with a Muslim college students. We got on the topic of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and tongues. The Muslim man wanted to here what tongues sounded like so my friend told him, the first thing I said when I first spoke in tongues was, and as he spoke the Muslim fell to his knees and said, you just said in Aramaic, your heaven, your heaven is calling me! He gave his life to Jesus right then and there! It was like Acts 2 ! We were amazed by the Lords working in his life!
Wow. Amazing testimony! Thanks for sharing!
Hallelujah
Wow!!!! Isn’t God so good?!?? Yess I love stories like these. Thank you for sharing
The discussion asked about evidence of a prayer language. I, also, believe that worshiping *in spirit* or *in the Spirit* definitely includes tongues, and here are two more verses to add to the discussion: 😊
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 when I pray in an unknown tongue, *my spirit prays*...so I will "pray *in the spirit*...sing *in the spirit*"....
John 4:23--24 "But a time is coming, and even now has arrived, when the true worshipers will worship the Father *in spirit* and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
*God is spirit*, and those who worship Him must *worship in spirit* and truth."
Sooo powerful!
Amen 🙏🏾
I was a cessationist until I was given a powerful vision of prophecy. It's amazing how blindly I followed teaching rather than scripture. I don't know yet about tongues, but I am praying about it.
Praise God! How some cessationists can do both a good service to the Body through sound exegesis and at the same time a great deal of damage through intellectual pride.
The same here🤭 I was a very firm cessationist/baptist, but God humblef me. One morning (I was 4yo believer) the Holy Ghost fell on me filled me up (hard to describe, was very powerful) and i started to pray in tongues and since then my serving of the Lord started to be more powerfull.
Sam Storms = Solid. This is a really good episode guys. Thank you!
Good stuff. I was seriously depressed and this gift brought me out of it.
you mean even Clinical depression or just sadness? Tell me more about it please. I'm not American I'm Brazilian
This is one of the best discussions I have heard on this topic. Due to the abuses of this gift I have witnessed, I wasn't sure of my tongue speaking so stopped for a while. As I started to doubt. I did see God move when I started in faith speaking in tongues again. It's something I need to seriously return to. His answer at the end was spot on.
If it was a divine gift from God to you, and not sth you "fake", you couldn't question it in the first place. Why can't you be certain if it were God? What is responsible for the controversies about the gift of tongues? Is it not because of the vagueness of the ecstatic gibberish called tongues? If your speech can be proved sufficiently in a number of occasions, no one would doubt that you have a gift of tongues. Where this is not the case, definitely you do not have the biblical gift of tongues.
This is just so good. Thank you! God bless you and your ministry brothers.
I was at a Messianic Jewish congregation in Toronto, where they had a guest speaker who had been a Messianic Rabbi missionary to Asian countries and throughout Europe. He said he the gift of tongues and that we could test him. The Messianic congregation look like the United Nations because it was made up of a lot of foreign people. Anyway to make a long story short, the guest speaker started speaking in all different languages that various people within the congregation who came from other countries recognized and then answered him back in their language and they were able to have conversations. He spoke German, and German people recognized him as speaking that, and he spoke Urdu, Punjabi, a rare nearly dead African language, on and on he went, and each time someone stood up and said "you're speaking my language". He told how God would send them to these different countries, and as soon as someone spoke to him in their language, God gave him the gift to not only understand it but to speak it. It was an amazing demonstration. And I knew those people personally in that congregation because my wife and I were also a member, so I knew they weren't planted there.
Where in the Scripture is a person's experience the test of truth? The word of God is the standard by which we judge experience and EVERY REFERENCE to signs and wonders occurring in the last days is said to be the work of satan. Get out your concordance and see for yourself.
@@bradjohnson8100 Did you even watch the video. What he described is what Sam EXPLICITLY explained in scripture and what is EXPLICITY seen in Acts 2. Good gracious. Relax. His experience CLEARLY matches up with scripture.
This is an amazing testimony! Thanks for sharing! And may the Lord give us a greater measure of all the gifts!
So encouraging thank you for sharing!
@@bradjohnson8100 there are times in scripture where experience proves truth. For instance the disciples believed Jesus was raised from the dead because they experienced meeting him, Paul in the letter to the Galatians appeals to the miracles they have experienced as proof of the gospel, the book of Revelation is based on a vision that John experienced.
I watched Dr. Sam yesterday in a video with other pastors/professors about Eschatology. I was checking out his books and saw he wrote about these things. This is a blessing. I'm Reformed, but when it comes to cessationism I'm not sure, although I see the need to be cautious. Finding this chanel and knowing of Dr. Sams has been a blessing.
Wonderful!
I just watched this video today. Good explaination by Sam Storms! I learned from it! God bless your ministry brothers!
How can he say they don't speak human languages when in acts chapter 2 they were clearly speaking human languages?
Because in 1 Cor 13 Paul says "those I speak with tongues of men (like acts 2) or of angels (unknown). 1 Cor 14:2 says he who speaks in an unknown tongue speaks NOT TO MAN but to God.
There is a purpose for both instances of tongues.
@@BEABEREAN10 Do you think it's possible that Paul is speaking hyperbolically--using deliberate exaggeration--to make his point about the importance of love? I ask because in the local context he makes five statements in parallel and all strike me as hyperbole:
"If I speak with the tongues of humanity and angels…"
"If I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge…"
"…if I have all faith so as to remove mountains…"
"…if I give away all my possessions to the poor…"
"…subject my body that I may boast…"
These seem like statements concerning the highest idealized level of commitment/attainment, rather than literal statements per se.
Do angels have their own spoken languages? Perhaps so. Judging from scriptural examples, they do seem to speak HUMAN languages when they choose to communicate with us, however.
What would be the PURPOSE of gifting a human being to speak in an angelic language if there was never an angel present for them to need to communicate with? I honestly don't know. And a person praying to God can do so in any human language they already know since God is omniscient and can't fail to understand them. God himself is the MOST capable language speaker of all!
@@ChipsAplentyBand ahh! This is fun! I wrote this a year ago and have better understanding now! Definitely written with hyperbole and I believe that most tongues should be assumed to be real languages... however; I would never rule out God's ability or purpose in giving someone an angelic tongues language.
I'm not saying God definitively does this, but i also don't think angels original language was a natural human language...therefore it is possible they have a different Language that God could also give to a human for whatever reason... though unlikely. But regardless, it does say you speak mysteries in tongues. Some could argue that these are not mysteries to God (he knows all) and you are actually praying out things that you don't realize as you pray in tongues because it is lead by the Spirit.
Most of what I think we in the west hear as gibberish, is actually real languages...it's just that we are only familiar with the sounds of Latin based language and some Asia Pacific sounding languages. Yet there are over 7000 active languages today so we couldn't possibly assume that everyone would be recognizable.
I have heard instances of people who thought they spoke in tongues of angels because they were unlearned like I was, but then a visitor at a church heard them speaking in tongues and could clearly understand everything they were speaking in their native tongue.
@@BEABEREAN10 Thanks for your thoughtful reply!
I love this. I had a tongues experience in my own private prayer time. I could remember the phonetics of what was said and began typing what I could remember into Google translate and it translated to a very meaningful word from God that absolutely relates to my situation and what I was feeling in my heart. It was a real language from the Middle East that I absolutely do not know. Another lady at my church typed in the phonetics of what she remembered from her experience with the gift of tongues and it was absolutely a language that she had never learned also.
24:42 Josh. If it was private, how would anyone be able to testify to it? 😅
Unbelievable content! Simply astounding!!!
He says he doesn't DISTINGUISH between the (public) "gift" and private "grace" like many, but I still can't tell whether Sam Storms believes that ALL believers CAN speak (pray privately) in tongues (and should therefore seek/pursue the ability).
I think that when Jesus appeared to His disciples after His resurrection, He breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit", this is when they were born again. Jn. 20. They were baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.
I was looking into this too. But when you read the entire end of John in context, you will see that Jesus goes to all different kinds of disciples at different moments to show them that He has ressurected. Disciples don't have to mean 'The 12', but rather anyone who is a follower of Jesus. We know that Peter, John, James, Thomas, and Nathanael were not present when Jesus breathed on those disciples in John 20, because it isn't until later that Jesus appears to them to show them his ressurected body (John 21:1-2). So, it's not proof that those in the upper room at pentacost had a 'second' baptism, because we don't know that they ever had a first. I hope that this makes sense!
Thank you for sensible discussion on tongues. I have this gift, it sounds like a full language (not jibberish with repeated stuttered syllables), i use it privately, and i don't feel super special bc of it.
Tongues are a secondary gift & not essential to salvation.
i agree with everything you just said, you are basically a female me, ive never actually met anyone who in person that speaks in tongues and truly understands the gift
Ever thought of recording it and transcribing what you hear in a syllabary? Linguists do this in their study of glossolalia (speaking in tongues). Perhaps you'll find that you've been speaking in a known language that you 've never learned before!
Mine also sounds like an actual language. But I think it might be two or three at different times. Like I can tell when there's a difference in vowel pronunciation. I can hear new vocabulary. One sounds like an ancient south American indigenous language. The other a modern (maybe) South African tongue. Then there are instances when I shout in praise. And I'm not sure if it's a language or what Paul calls and utterance where my spirit is just expressing itself. It's a mystery, but I don't try to figure it out too much haha
This only happened to me once, as I was filled with the Holy Spirit 20 years ago. I had not read the Bible and had no church upbringing and so did not know what was happening. At the time I defined the experience as being of the Holy Spirit and definitely not me, as if what was occurring was for my edification in the future when I would first read of this phenomena later on as I did read the Bible. This has never happened since, whether a heavenly language (which I think that was) or an earthly language for the edification of the Body. I have heard the vain babblings that are copy and pasted into the mouths of naive Christians (and deceivers) and do sometimes think that I might have quenched any genuine gift given to me so as to not be numbered amongst them. Having said that, who am I to stop God doing what He wills?
I have definitely experienced the gift of faith, whereby there is an absolute knowing in prayer or evangelism that God shall move in power in a person's life or situation. I love it when that happens but have also seen that gift abused by others through the misunderstanding of what was happening - some church folk would say that they wished they had my faith, as if it came from me and not Him and as if it could be taught or worked for. I have witnessed the same misunderstanding over other gifts such as tongues and prophecy. The one gift that I see being overlooked completely is the discerning between different spirits, even to the point of outright rejection and especially so in the false prophetic movement. I can testify that discerning between spirits is a hard gift to handle, for it brings anger and rejection. I left a fellowship that was about to put me out when I warned them that a particular man was of a different spirit and knowingly serving Satan. That fellowship eventually crashed into a heap of ruins, though God in His amazing grace is rebuilding it.
Aren't spiritual gifts for the edification of the church ?
@SamStorms, (15:00 - 17:00) I'd like to ask why you're "vertical" rather than "horizontal" view for speaking to God (1 Co 14:2) should prevail since the whole focus of chapter 14 concerns "edification." Does God need to be edified?
Why is it not more compelling that when there was no one there of that language to be edified, that only God would understand it? I am sure God does not need to be edified. Such a course does not require that it is suddenly a "heavenly language", does it? Why doesn't Occam's razor compel the horizontal rather than your vertical stance? Indeed, isn't the horizontal the actual scope of the text? "So you° also, if you° do not give distinct speech through the foreign language, how will it be known what is spoken? For* you° will be speaking to air. 1 Co 14:10 If the varieties of foreign voices in the world are so-many, as it may be, and yet none are unintelligible. (MLV) Additionally, Paul says "And I know such a man (whether in the body or outside of the body, I do not know; God knows), 12:4 that he was seized up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not legal for man to speak." MLV (ModernLiteralVersion.org).
The only argument for a heavenly language left would be 1 Co 13:1 where, "even of angels" is hyperbolic, because it is not teaching a doctrine that men can actually speak in heavenly languages, especially when the same inspired writer (in 2 Co 12:4) says it's illegal.
I would like to hear your guest's thoughts on using 1st Corinthians 1:22, 14:22 and 2nd Corinthians 11:4 to teach that tongues are not for today, just a sign for unbelievers, and the signs ended after Acts 28? Also, Acts 2 lists 15 known languages. The tongues phenomenon is on shaky grounds scripturally.
I wouldn't say I was a cessationist. But in my late teens early adulthood. I was more interested in being away from charismaticky anything. Until I decided to try going to an alter call at my dad's church to receive toungues. I didn't wanna go up at first but I did. And something supernatural happened to me my mouth started moving without me and the spirit filled my entire body and wept. And it shook me like crazy. I was in shock about what happened. Since then I speak in tongues. I should more tbh I don't do as much I should.
"I don't think that there is any necessary physical evidence" How about Acts 8:18-19 and 10:45-46. In Acts 19:6 it's apparent to me that Paul was expecting something to happen when he laid hands on those 12 disciples.
I felt power when I was baptised with the Holy Spirit. That is what Jesus said would happen Ac. 1:8 "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you;
and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
How do you determine whether it's tongues or jibberish. What's your intentions behind needing to speak tongues? It's kinda weird
Only one question to answer. Is it biblical?
You are perfectly on point! Praying in tongues or praying with the spirit is NOT equivalent to praying in the Holy Spirit. Jude 20, Eph. 6:18, Rom. 8:26. Holy Spirit intercedes FOR us, with groanings void of words! Not same as speaking words in tongues. In jude and ephesians, we pray IN THE POWER of the Holy Spirit, not in the power of our spirit.
We receive the spirit the moment we believe and place our faith in Jesus, there is no 2nd filling of the spirit, tongues were used to spread the gospel in other languages, people are building entire doctrines around it and telling people they're not saved unless the do it, that is not biblical, tongues are languages not gibberish, people do speak on tongues more than the gospel its ridiculous
It's Correct that it is not biblical to tell people they're not saved if they can't speak it. It's a gift. Something used to empower Believers and help in effective ministry. In my experience it has helped make my relationship with God stronger and absolutely enhanced my prayer life, although it doesn't make me any more saved than you are. I hope, though, that the church wouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater because some people equated salvation to "the power of tongues". That's not biblical. What IS biblical is tongues as an Earthly language and groanings and utterances of the spirit which Paul does say man cannot understand. I'm going to leave that there.
How does one know if they have the gift of tongues or not since a person can pray in an unknown language?
Example: If I’m attempting to pray in the spirit, how can I tell if I’m uttering gibberish or if I do indeed have the gift?
Great question.
The words are just there without effort to bring them up. And you can just keep going as long as you keep letting the words come out, it’s like a faucet, almost, the words aren’t hidden, they just appear regardless of knowing the meaning. Most of the time one doesn’t have the gift of interpretation while one has the gift of tongues, that’s why if you use it in public you need an interpreter. And if you use the gift while praying and you don’t know what to say to God after a while you feel uplifted by using the angelic language to speak to God. Usually you will notice the expression of tongues after someone prays for you in Spirit, that is, to release the Holy Spirit for you, like being baptized in water except this is baptize in Spirit. And the words will just be there ready to tumble out of your mouth without having thought them up. In other words, you just know it’s the gift and not gibberish because of where it comes from within you, although it usually sounds like gibberish because you don’t usually have both gifts at the same time, so it’s mostly a private thing if you don’t have an interpreter.
@@LoriDRBlake thank you for replying. I proposed that question a year ago. And I’m still praying for that gift.
Something I have noticed in local assemblies, especially during worship is that sometimes when people are really into it, as in really praising God, it can become very emotional. I myself get emotional every now and then. But even just this last Sunday a man next to me was really praising God. And he’s crying outloud as he’s speaking to God. And then all of sudden his speech changes to sha la da da da da da. Repeatedly for a minute or two. And then he just went back to thanking and praising in English.
Maybe that was real tongues. I don’t know. I’m staying objective here. But from an outside perspective. It’s kind of like crying, once a person starts crying, it’s kind of difficult to just stop. I can see how the gift of tongues could be like that. And it’s usually difficult to speak whenever your crying. It is for me anyways. But it seemed to me that the man who was next to me was so emotional that it was difficult for him to keep speaking English so he started speaking out gibberish. And I think maybe he done this because in his Pentecostal upbringing, that is the acceptable thing to do.
Overall, from what I’ve personally have seen, I always hear people speak in tongues when they’re in a very emotional state.
I have yet heard anyone pray in tongues in just their normal prayer without being emotional. And others who claim to have that gift, I’ve asked when do you mostly speak in tongues. And it’s always when their in a state of overwhelming emotion. So then it makes me question whether or not they actually have the gift or not.
On the flip side, some say they can go into praying in tongues at any point, as in they enact it, then the spirit takes over their speech. But, I’ve never heard anyone do it, besides those who have recorded themselves on TH-cam.
And I question both scenarios because I, by myself have tried speaking in tongues just like I’ve heard and I sound the exact same as them. So I know I could fake and convince everyone if I wanted to. I won’t because I would feel ashamed for doing so. But, just because I feel ashamed doesn’t mean that others will feel ashamed. Especially if they’ve grown up just doing it because that’s what they thought they were supposed to do.
So what are you thoughts on that?
Do you guys have a list available anywhere of authors/speakers on continuationist topics that are biblically solid? I found you all through my familiarity with Dr. Storms, but I don't know who/what else to seek out on these topics that require minimal seed-spitting.
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I was bought up in a charismatic church and was encouraged to ‘speak in tongues’ I now know it’s a complete misunderstanding of scripture! 1 Corinthians 14:2 ‘For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God’ Paul is not talking about some sort of heavenly private prayer language..he is talking about real known earthly languages. For instance..if I am French and I am in a church assembly amongst Spanish speaking people, and I pray out or speak out in my native French language (tongue) without somebody to interpret, I ‘speak not to men but to God’ Paul is bringing correction to the church, that unless there’s an interpreter, nobody understands…Paul is clearly bringing them correction, clearly emphasising the importance of the whole body being built up, NOT oneself…Paul mentions ‘building up the church’ as the preference at least7 times in 1 Cor 14 when read in the correct context. Once you see it you can’t unsee it! Sadly many Christian’s are deceived, believing tongues is s special way of edifying oneself. In my experience, if I ‘spoke in ‘tongues for a few minutes each day, I actually believed I was ‘building myself up.’! Hey, Christian, the best way to build yourself up is to read the bible! In your native language preferably!
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Acts 1:5 /baptized with the Spirit/
Acts 1:8 /Spirit Comes Upon you/ (Power)
Acts 2:4 Filled with the Spirit
Romans 8:11 /The Spirit that Dwelleth in You/
Different experiences or different terminologies for the same thing?
1 Corinthians 12:13 /By one Spirit are we all Baptized into one body.../ is this an entirely different experience Or is this the same as Acts 1:5?
The Holy Spirit was not correcting Himself at Corinth through the apostle Paul as this guy assumes. The Holy Spirit does not have a dark side.
What about Acts 10:45-46? "They were astonished that the gift of the holy spirit was poured on the gentiles for they heard them speak with tongues". This sounds like initial evidence or a definite sign of the spirit infilling.
I woke up 2 nights ago And I spoke 2 definite Foreign words something like Arabic but not Arabic I said oh I'm speaking in my prayer language in my sleep , then I realize no that's not how my prayLanguage sounds. I woke up and asked father God what was that about. I'm still pressing father God for a answer. What do you think 🤔
"I happen to be of the conviction that Spirit baptism occurs at the point of conversion for all Christians."
I'm surprised at that statement. Scripture doesn't support that at all. In the book of Acts we have two main examples of people being baptised with the Holy Spirit; one example where people seemed to receive the Holy Spirit soon after repentance and water baptism, Acts 2:38.
Other examples when it happened later; Acts 8:12 & 14-17 and Acts 19:1-7. Also, sometimes it came directly from Jesus in heaven such as Acts 2:1-4 and Acts 10:44-46 and sometimes it happened when hands were laid on in Acts 8:17, 9:17 and 19:6.
I submit to you also that all those who were in the house on the day of Pentecost were converted beforehand.
That is just an ignorant statement without scriptural backing. I had been born again two years before I was baptised with the Holy Spirit because I was in a cessationist church and the Lord Jesus brought me out of that deception and baptised me.
I have experienced interpreting my prayer language in great praise in words that I would not normally praise Him. I was called a heretic! Is this a truth?
You think is true? Yea, it is true😅. You have a reason to question what is called a divine gift, then clearly it is not genuine.
The instructions in 1 Corinthians 14 make no sense in the context of tongues that are operating like what's described in Acts 2. Why would you need an interpreter due to the absence of understanding, if the gift itself were speaking in *the hearer's own* language -- which is what happened in Acts 2?
Acts 2 (being understood) is clearing not happening everytime or Paul wouldn't have needed to write 1 Corinthians 14
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Dr. Storms, you went dispensational school. is it fair to say you are not dispensationalist?
Awesome discussion....
I would be open to debate cessationism on this show. I'm a cessationist therefore would disagree with Sam's assessment on what tongues are. Furthermore I would also contend that the kind of "tongues" that he speaks in, anyone, saved or lost could do. To be honest I have observations Sam has never even thought of.
I don’t understand how people learn to speak in tongues.
I like a lot of what Dr. Storms said but disagree with his saying 1 Cor. 14:22 being a negative sign to the unbeliever. I don't see that from the Scriptures.
The absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence--yes-- couldn't that apply to the presence of an interpreter? But *how is the church supposed to know if there is one?*
I submit that if you receive a message in tongues, you should give it, and wait and see. Then pray for the interpretation if no one else gives it.the Bible says to pray that you can interpret.
I interpreted tongues, once. A man spoke in tongues and no one interpreted, and no one interpreted, and I knew in my heart what he had said! So I spoke out.
I was very surprised.
And everyone received it.
And the enemy said to me in my mind, you made that up! And I said, no I didn't, no one else had it, did they!
We must step out in faith if we want to be used.
I've been seeking to find out truth about this, and though Paul's breakdown is clear, it does have some parts where you pause to question praying in Tongues. My big misunderstanding I guess is, if those that interpret and believe Paul tells us to pray in the Spirit or Tongues, why are the same believers claim its ok if you don't pray in Tongues that you are still saved? Also, my understanding from scripture is that times Holy Spirit has interceded in prayer in Tongues, it's not forced or started by believer, one passage says believers spirit was slained by the Holy Spirit. Would that not confirm that the Holy Spirit would bring it out in you instead of just starting to say unknown syllabus in faith that at some point Holy Spirit takes over? Also, if praying in tongues is claimed by referring to the Holy Spirit groaning during prayer, it does say its through groans that can not be uttered, in other words its not words and probably not groaning that happens out of a believers mouth. Maybe someone could help me understand better or come to realize where I am misunderstanding the Word.
The Bible is clear that speaking in tongues is not giving to everyone. Speaking in tongues is also not praying in the spirit so given the fact that speaking in tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit, that is not given to everyone, it has no bearing on your salvation whatsoever.
I wonder: WHY would anyone ever NEED a 'special prayer language?' What purpose would it serve? God already understands all human languages in all time periods and is able to hear/understand anyone's prayers. Even regional accents aren't a problem for God, although they sometimes are for me. Christians don't even have to pray ALOUD. We can pray in our thoughts alone or in written form on paper if need be too (e.g., in the case of mutes) or even using sign language.
Since Paul wrote "There are undoubtedly all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning." (1 Cor.14:10) WHY is the meaning inherent in tongues NOT APPARENT to the person who is uttering it?
I'm curious here WHY TONGUES-SPEAKERS THEMSELVES DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING WHILE THEY SAY IT(!) How can that be? How does that work? In 'everyday' speech, people's minds generate thoughts which are then quickly formulated into verbally-expressed sentences. If the thorny issue with tongues is that they are foreign languages known only to some present who hear them spoken, how can the speaker himself/herself NOT know what their own thoughts are which their foreign language utterances express?
For example, I'm a native English-speaking American who has studied German. But whether I say "There isn't any." OR "Es gibt keines." I still KNOW IN ADVANCE what it is that I'm saying even as I say it.
WHERE is the 'on/off switch' for a person able to speak in tongues? How do they know how to 'turn it on' and begin?
If tongues-speakers themselves don't know what they are saying as they say it, then their utterances can't be the products of their own minds and thoughts as with everyday speech. So then, during an extended tongues utterance WHERE do the speaker's mind and thoughts GO? Does the speaker's mind continue on along some separate internal mental channel while their mouth forms speech on autopilot with 'a mind of its own?' In that case, WHO is operating the speaker's mouth for them? And what independent thoughts WAS the speaker having while their mouth was busy speaking 'on autopilot' about something else? Could someone in the process of speaking in tongues mentally recite John 3:16 to themselves in their mind at the same time?
I'm not trying to be irreverent here, but would be very interested to hear a tongues-speaker's responses to my questions as someone who witnesses their own tongues-speaking 'from the inside.'
Any takers?
The Bible says we sometimes don't know what to pray and the Spirit makes intercession for us.
There is no basis whatsoever to assume that speaking in tongues in Acts is different from that in 1 Corinthians. Those that sought the gift of tongues at a very early stage of the pentecostal movement were after tongues of Acts 2, not unintellible gibberish. It was only many centuries later that men, upon failure to obtain the biblical tongues, resort to some deceptive "private prayer language".
1 Cor 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.
Thank you so much for this! I really needed it.
Thank you 👍😊
Regarding 1st Corinthians 14:5:
1. The verses immediately preceding and a few there after point to the fact that Paul was adressing public prayer by individuals taking turns at praying in front of an assembly. She is not talking whatsoever about it he corporate tongue speaking in the congregation. That concept is foreign to this chapter.
2. Verse 5 is in the present indicative. This implies, in view of the context, that Paul was encouragin that tongue speaking, before the congregation continues, but with the goal of edification through interpretation, so people listening can say "amen" to what is being prayed by individuals.
Therefore, this in no way teaches that the other Corinthians were not tongue speakers. In fact, Paul implies that everybody in Corinth were indeed tongue speakers by suggesting that he spoke in tongues more than all of them.
At the 15:06 mark I was surprised that Sam started to advance a series of speculations when he didn’t have answers for what was meant by “various kinds of tongues”. Angelic or specially crafted heavenly language. There’s no evidence for either.
Paul says, he who prays in tongues edifies himself, this is necessary for personal edification, encouragement
Read the rest of the chapter. That is not what Paul was saying.
This is interesting.. I started watching video and just decided to rewind it forward, and I just randomly clicked on the part when Joshua started talking about his experience on talking on Croatian, and I am Croatian.. isn't that funny..
Is there a tongue/language God understands better?
Gibberish talk is mystical and there is no basis for comparison in scripture!
When does Paul speak in tongues/ languages more than others?
Is bragging or keeping score?
Go and make disciples in all nations! M28:19
What will you speak?
Other earthly tongues/languages!!!!
I know this is older, but I'd like to know what Dr. Storms thinks is happening in Acts 19: 1-7
What's the dele
There are 4 different uses for tongues: 1. a prophetic tongue; 2. personal prayer; for worship; intersession.
There is no such thing as a ‘prophetic tongue’. Read 1 Corinthians 14, paying special attention to verses 2, 14 16 & 28. As you will see, whereas prophecy is God speaking to the church, all speech in tongues is speech directed to God. To be valid, any interpretation of tongues must by definition be of a person speaking to God.
It would appear the ‘prophetic tongue’ to which you refer is based on the same teaching as the so-called ‘messages in tongues’ teaching found in some Pentecostal circles.
Under the ‘messages in tongues’ teaching, it is claimed that an ‘interpretation of tongues’ can be of a message from God to an individual or to the church; in other words, a prophecy. This teaching is a distortion of the plain meaning of everything the Apostle Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14 about tongues and their interpretation, especially as he was writing about the use of these gifts in a congregational setting - the very setting in which the ‘messages in tongues’ doctrine is typically said to apply.
Notably, there isn’t a single New Testament, or early church record of God speaking through a ‘message in tongues’. There is likewise a complete absence of writings by those commonly referred to as the ‘Apostolic Fathers’ or ‘Church Fathers’, supporting the ‘messages in tongues’ teaching. Even Gordon Fee, a well-respected Pentecostal theologian and ordained minister of the Assemblies of God church, criticizes the ‘messages in tongues’ teaching, saying:
_Although it is quite common in Pentecostal groups to refer to a “message in tongues”, there seems to be no evidence in Paul for such terminology. The tongues-speaker is not addressing fellow believers but God (cf. vv. 13 14, 28), meaning therefore that Paul understands the phenomenon basically to be prayer and praise._
_The interpretation of the tongue brings it within the framework of intelligibility, which in turn means that it too can edify the community. This does not imply that such a tongue is to be understood as directed to the community, but what the person has been speaking to God has now been made intelligible, so that others may benefit._
and:
_it is evident that for Paul “tongues” is an expression of prayer and praise, not a word directed primarily to the community._
See Fee, G. D. (1987). _The First Epistle to the Corinthians._ Grand Rapids: Eerdmans Publishing Company, pp.656, 668, & 218ff.
In a similar vein, John Williams writes:
_Many charismatic fellowships need to reflect more on this matter. … though it is out of order, a prophecy may follow a tongue. If, however, an interpretation properly follows a tongue, the results will be different. The interpretation will be of the praise, mystery or supplication offered; the prophecy will be essentially edification, exhortation or consolation._
See: Williams, J. R. (1996). Salvation, The Holy Spirit and Christian Living. In _Renewal Theology: Systematic Theology From a Charismatic Perspective (Vol. 2)._ Grand Rapids: Zondervan. p. 406.
It is important to pay attention to what Scripture says actually about tongues and their interpretation, rather than imposing a teaching upon it to explain away the aberrant behaviour of some in the church.
The ‘messages in tongues’ teaching is also defended on the basis of a claim that prophecy is equal to tongues and interpretation, per 1 Corinthians 14:5. What that verse says is:
_The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up._ (ESV)
Quite clearly, what Paul is referring to here is worth of the _speaker_ , not worth of what is spoken, much less its content. In other words, a _prophet_ (not the prophecy) is greater than a _tongue-speaker_ (not the utterance), unless what is said in tongues is interpreted; but even then it is the _persons_ (not the gifts or the content of what is said) who might be said to be equal. Indeed, 1 Corinthians 14:5 allows the possibility that a person speaking in tongues that are interpreted may on occasion be of less or greater value to the assembly than a person prophesying, not just of equal value.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh Thanks for this. I was always worried about the 'message in tongues' teaching. It's good to see prominent pentecostals such as Gordon Fee push-back against it.
Man I love Sam storms but I just don’t see it in the Bible. It’s a stretch but I love my charismatic brothers.
Great discussion. I believe all can speak in tongues, but I also wouldn’t necessarily teach it at a church meeting because I do believe it’s more deductive than explicit.
That being said, I’d want to know maybe how you guys or Sam would respond to Romans 12 when discussing the possible grace vs. gift distinction. Here we have a few gifts listed that include prophecy, teaching, exhortation, giving etc. No one in their right mind would say “Well I don’t have the gift of giving therefor I can’t give. Or I am not a teacher within the body therefor I can’t teach the Bible to an unbeliever. I don’t have the gift of exhortation so that precludes me from encouraging anyone.” Even 1 Cor 12 mentions the gift of faith. You can’t even be a follower of Christ without faith so obviously there is a sense in which these things are accessible by all believers to a degree but also restricted to some as a corporate gift. Would love to hear your thoughts as I have never actually heard a response to this line of argumentation, but I also don’t want to continue to use a bad argument if it’s in error.
Also you guys should have way more subscribers. Fantastic program.
Great video, love the content.
Only one “talking point” though. In Acts 10:47, after the gentiles are filled with the Spirit there is an interesting statement from Peter.
Actually verses 45-47 break this out into context for us.
Acts 10:45-47 (ESV): 45 “And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, 47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
So this scripture tells us that they were amazed because the gentiles had received the Spirit in the same manner they did. How did they know? Because they saw them speaking in tongues and extolling God.
Peter and the other Jews looked at speaking in tongues as the initial physical evidence of the empowerment (or baptism) of the Holy Spirit.
@Thomas B reread what I said.
I made it clear, I’m talking about an empowerment of the Spirit, not receiving the Spirit at the moment of salvation.
I thought spiritual tongues was a groan not an utter of words in the book of Romans
No tongues are not a groan. Here in 1 Corinthians, tongues are with the spirit - praying with the spirit, not praying in the Holy Spirit or Holy Spirit interceding FOR us ( Rom. 8:26, jud 20, Eph. 6:18)
Praying with the spirit is NOT same as praying in the SPIRIT! Jude 1:20 and Eph. 6:18 agree on praying in the power of the Holy Spirit. This is NOT the same as praying in tongues!
Hearing a language rather than speaking it, as being the gift is weird idea. Why wouldn’t the holy spirit just translate the Greek or Aramaic being spoken, the babbling isn’t necessary.
No where does the Bible say what this man teaches. Paul teaches the opposite of what Dr. Storm teaches. Paul says praying in tongues is of no benefit to himself because he doesn't know what he is saying.
"For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also."
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 ESV
Then in verse 22 Paul says tongues are for unbelievers. Opposite of what Dr. Storm teaches. It is a sign for unbelievers to hear the gospel in their own language. It is not restricted to prayer. Paul does not say he prays in tongues more. He says he speaks in tongues more. Why? Because Paul went all over the world preaching the gospel.
There is alot of us
I just do it.
Corinthians 14:7 And even things without LIFE GIVING SOUND, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
Each wave of sound that is Gods word is modulated by two others, essentially triangulatung it.
By have three waves, the faster you go the higher the frequency so you aways know where you are in space. It completely inverts Heisenbergs principle.
The “tongues” Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians are producing today is an entirely self-created phenomenon. It is non-cognitive non-language utterance; random free vocalization based upon a subset of the existing sounds (phonemes) of the speaker’s native language, and any other language(s) the speaker may be familiar with or have had contact with. It is, in part, typically characterized by repetitive syllables, plays on sound patterns and over-simplification of syllable structure. The most immediately recognizable result of these processes is that no two ‘speakers’ will ever have the same “tongue”.
People believe something to be supernatural because they can't explain it otherwise. There are, of course, many things in religion which must be taken on faith; they can neither be proved nor disproved. "Tongues" however, is not one of these things. It is something very concrete and tangible; it is a phenomenon which can be (and has been) studied and analyzed.
There is absolutely _nothing_ that “tongues-speakers” are producing that cannot easily be explained in natural and/or linguistic terms.
People can describe the ‘tongues experience’, but in examining the mechanics behind it…not so much. When a person has experienced tongues, s/he is absolutely convinced as to the ‘scripturalness’ of his/her experience and the correctness of his/her doctrinal beliefs - this, despite the overwhelming scriptural absence of anything remotely akin to it.
When it comes to something spoken, there are absolutely no Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, and cannot be explained in light of, real rational language(s).
Mind you, I'm not doubting or questioning the 'experience'; glossolalia, as the tool that it is, can be very powerful. It is important to note however that this same statement can be made for virtually any other culture that practices glossolalia.
“Tongues” is to some Christian believers a very real and spiritually meaningful experience but consisting of emotional release via non-linguistic ‘free vocalizations’ at best - the subconscious playing with sounds to create what is perceived and interpreted as actual, meaningful speech. In _some_ cases, I would argue that it is clearly a self/mass delusion prompted by such a strong desire to “experience God” that one creates that experience.
Known by many different names, “tongues”, or more accurately “glossolalia”, is practiced by many cultures and religious beliefs from all over the world; it is relatively new to Christianity and certainly not unique to it.
Your argument could be made against first century believers. It’s an argument against the supernatural, that’s all it is. You could make the same human reasoning argument against the born again event/experience. It’s simply unbelief in the operation of the Holy Spirit.
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No, actually it is not - modern tongues-speech is what it is (non-cognitive non-language utterance). No matter how you look at it; it is not language. As a mentioned, when it comes to something spoken, there are no Biblical references to “tongues” that do not refer to, or that cannot be explained in light of, real, rational language(s). Absolutely nowhere in the Bible is modern tongues-speech evidenced or advocated.
People describe the experience, but in examining the “mechanics” behind it…well, not so much. When a person has experienced tongues, s/he is absolutely convinced as to the ‘scripturalness’ of his/her experience, and the correctness of his/her doctrinal beliefs - this, despite the overwhelming scriptural absence of anything remotely akin to what they’re doing.
I'm not doubting or questioning the 'experience'; as mentioned, glossolalia as the spiritual tool that it is, can be very powerful and, for many people, the experience is profound. As one commenter put it, “Speaking in tongues distracts the ego/analytical/conscious mind while leaving the subconscious (the heart) wide open to import the divine." Both the spiritual and physical benefits of using this tool are also well documented. Again though, it is important to note that this same statement can be made for virtually _any_ other culture that practices glossolalia. Religious and cultural differences aside, the glossolalia an Evenki Shaman in Siberia, a vodoun priestess in Togo and a Christian tongues-speaker in Alabama are producing are in no way different from each other. They’re all producing their glossolalia in the exact same way; they just have different explanations and beliefs as to why they’re doing it, and where it comes from.
@@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474 it is interesting that a “self…delusion…created experience” dramatically drew me closer to Jesus, God’s Word, a boldness to tell others about Jesus, the gospel. I’ve seen/know the same in many others. As well, I’ve seen it abused to the point of being completely non-biblical. Again, your argument (and ones similar) is one grounded in unbelief of the operation of the Holy Spirit.
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Perhaps you could record yourself speaking in tongues for about a minute or so and submit it here for linguistic analysis.
It MAY be all the things you say, but it IS Biblical. Believe it or not, your choice, teach differently and it is simply anti-biblical.
I have noticed that Angels always spoke to the people in those peoples language. Never a heavenly language. It seems all of the spiritual language speakers was spoken the language of the hearer. With a close inspection of the Word, the tongues today are not at all the tongues of the time when their was a need. The Bible was not completed and God tells us those gifts were to be temporary. To cease when the perfect Word completed. The last true account of tongues was in 70AD. Please watch out for deception on this as God does not speak to us by tongues and prophecies because it takes peoples eyes off of His Word. Since the instruction was written TO the Corinthian people, and not to us. It was instruction to them when the gifts were in effect and done away when the Word was completed in 95AD. Tongues didnt come back until 1906 and it was unbiblical. The requirements were there were unbelieving Jews present from all over the world to be legitimate, there was an interpreter to be present, and only one at a time and everyone heard in their own language. Must be done decently and orderly. Not so today. God wants us to use HIS WORD as it contains everything we need. Not some other tongue or language. Truly go to God in earnest prayer and ask HIM if this is correct or not. Please don't listen to every good talker that seems convincing and believe just anyone. Remember satan disguises himself as an angel of light and does wonders and miracles. This doctrine always gives glory to the "speaker" and not to Jesus, which is always wrong. This is a very dangerous doctrine.
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It's very clear from the book of Acts when Jesus instructed disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they receive power from on high until Peter and John go to Samaria and lay hands on the believers and they receive the spirit to when Cornelius house has believers who begin to prophesy and speak in tongues to when Paul asked if they've received the spirit and lays hands on the believers in Ephesus, that speaking in tongues goes along with receiving the holy the holy spirit and that is the evidence from acts 24 and Jesus said even before he died that these signs will follow that you will speak in other tongues so it's evident that it's the nominal Christian experience in the New testament to receive the holy Spirit and speak in a language you never learned. And I get frustrated to hear teachings from people whose first notion about tongues in the New testament is in Corinthians and expect to get any teaching when they haven't themselves gone through the nominal experience of a new testament believer to believe be baptized and be filled with the holy Spirit and speak in tongues. You guys just had Jackie pullinger on the program and if you read her first book you will hear her say that her converts most of the time didn't know what came first whether they believed in Jesus or spoken language they never learned so it's very clear as soon as you get away from learning about tongues from people who first start to study it out of Corinthians and try and make sense for the rest of us, that tongues is the evidence of receiving the Spirit just like the first disciples did
And if it's good enough for them why shouldn't it be good enough for us?
The problem is that most of what we hear in pentecostal and charismatic services is literally gibberish and all sounds the same. same inflection, same everything. it is clearly learned by the attendees of the services over time. Can there be a situation with real languages? Yes. I would say that very well could be real. But the church's teaching others how to speak in tongues or calling everyone to the altar and telling them beforehand what to expect when they lay hands on you is the same trick mystics and magicians use all the time--conditioning. If you are told what to expect and how to react and you hear other around you speaking in some tongue, you may indeed give in to the pressure to manifest this. Groups do this all the time in every religion. Hindus speak in tongues on occasion, it's very well documented. Pagan religions speak in tongues, new agers sometimes speak in a tongue. None of those are really messages from God. Most of the interpretations are all alike. If it's God, why can't He tell us anything new that we don't already know? He only seems to say common things and at times, silly things. In some interpretations of tongues God supposedly even speaks heresy.
Look at Churches like Bethel. they teach you how to speak in tongues. They released a video recently of a sermon by a lady in their Church where she even tells the congregation that all can prophecy and if she doesn't have a prophecy for someone, she just makes one up. Right here on youtube you can find the video along with many others.
I don't believe that for 1900 years we had very few documented cases of tongues in the Church outside of quakers and the a few awakenings of revival, and then suddenly God restores it at Azusa Street. I think it's all learned, although there are instance of real languages reported. Those may be real, but that is clearly once in a blue moon.
The churches have tried, in part, to TEACH that which is either a gift already given or not given at all. They are trying to control the Holy Spirit in doing so or even trying to dismiss Him as if they know better. It is utterly ridiculous.
Nothing you say here addresses the fact that speaking in tongues is Biblical. I understand you don't believe it but that is simply a you issue. If the bible didn't teach it, there would be no issue.
Obviously, Paul said he spoke in tongues MORE than all, so that was not a gift of tongue that had to be interpreted. The proof of that is Paul himself laid hands on those in Acts 19 and they all, not just a few God wanted to give "the gift of tongues" to that needed an interpretation to be in "order", but they all spoke in tongues just as in Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10. Nowhere do we see the "gift of interpretation" in operation in Acts but neither are we told tongues in the public speaking was out of order. Peter in Acts 10 confirmed it was "in order" as he explained in Acts 11 how because of the "sign of tongues" in the believers that the same Holy Spirit was poured out upon the Gentiles as himself.
The gift of tongues we read about in 1 Corithians is only given to "whom" God chooses not to all who ask as we see in Acts every time and in Luke 11:13. So, Paul must of have been speaking of a different type of tongue in 1 Corinthians 14 along with the gift of tongues he revealed in chapter 12 of 1 Corinthians. Whether you want to call it grace tongues, a unique gift of tongues, I do not care, all I know is God each time it is recorded anyone "for the first time" receiving the Holy Spirit upon experience, the baptism in the Holy Spirit, they ALL spoke in tongues.
I think some of you guys are adding your own presuppositions in some of this tongue business. I pray in tongues daily as often as I can for almost 40 years, so I understand what the Apostle Paul stated in chapter 14 of 1 Corinthians.
I as a believer heard another believer pray in the incoherent tongues, but interpreted it in English on one occasion
Not one instance of tongues in the Bible involved the gibberish you hear today. Ba Ba Ba Sha Ra Ka Ta Tay Ra Ba Ba Tay.
I disagree with dr. Storms take on Jesus clear message about blasphemy of Holy Spirit. Christ said my sheep hear my voice and obey. And if some "Christians" attribute Holy Spirits work to satan than obviously they dont have Holy Spirit living in them and they hear not the masters voice.
we have to be careful what we say and make sure is always True. Speaking jibberish tongues is too risky of saying something we dont know what we are saying.
Speaking in tongues is the only time in life when the spirit is in charge of the body and soul. It is the physical evidence that the spirit realm exists. It is a manifestation of the supernatural. That is why many times a person can speak a human language they do not know. It is a great gift from God that points to the future that believers have in store. Then we will understand the heavenly language.
Acts 2:4 NLT
[4] And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.
Notice as the Holy Spirit gave them the ability.
1 Corinthians 13:12 NLT
[12] Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.
If you take Angelic tongues literally why don't you take His bread is flesh literally?
UT Dallas!!! My alma mater
Although the bible does teach that there is a gift of tongues (whatever you believe about that), the practice of speaking in tongues is ALSO an occult practice pedating Christianity. In these occult practices a god, spirit or soul takes control of you causing you to speak in an unknown language that is then translated by a prophet, witch doctor or magician/druid. The most important thing is that you are right with God and are following Him. If you open yourself to spiritual gifts without keeping your life and mind on God, any spirit can influence you. Remember the bible warned that "...Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14 and "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God" 1 John 4. I'm not saying "Don't speak in tongues", that's between you and God. I'm saying be careful and focus on the gospel.
‘My young life days’.
Bro, what are u 30?
Dr. Sam Storms "version" of what he thinks is the "baptism in the Holy Spirit" is not backed up in scriptures. Of course, there is a "second" or "another" or whatever helps you to believe, but we see clearly a difference in the book of Acts each time the Holy Spirit came upon them for the first time.
His approach is NOT BRIDGE building, his position is TOTALLY contrary to the book of ACTS or the Pentecostal or Assembly of God's understanding of the actual understanding.
We do not have to argue but please do not tell me the scripture does not say what it says, the Holy Spirit is NOT secondary!
Jude 20
Contradiction.... The Scripture presents tongues in the Assembly of the church. This guy is ok to lock them up behind close doors, not to have them in the public assembly. Duh!
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Where in the Bible, 1 cor. 14 is there an instruction for private tongues? Paul is saying in that chapter DONT SPEAK IN TONGUES! IF YOU TAKE ALL THE VERSE NUMBERS AWAY AS IT WAS BEFORE THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT PAUL WAS ENDORSING TONGUES THERE?
Contradiction... Tongues is a witness to unbelievers. This guy just said tongue should not be heard by unbelievers. Duh!
What about the kundalini spirit and tongues uttered by other religions, what are we to make of that verses the babbling "shrr-rah-bab-bab-bah" utterances that you hear in churches? In 50 yrs I've never heard tongues interpreted, just the same old people jabbering while having some really messed up theology when it comes to other expressions of the faith who you wouldn't want to have teach your kids in Sunday School.
Satan counterfeits. That’s like saying you can’t believe in prophecy because false prophets existed. Or you can’t believe in biblical visions because pagans had demonic visions.
This heavenly language drivel is an insult to people who God has blessed with this power.
The grace of tongues? That’s literally nowhere in the Bible. The problem is we like to only take one or two sentences out of scripture and try to make a doctrine out of that. You have to read the whole passage in his contacts to get the full understanding. Our opinions are interpretations etc. do not matter the only thing that is true is the word of God, and it is untainted and uncompromised, what does the Bible say about speaking in tongues… Well tongues means language. So it’s really speaking in another language. And the Bible tells us that it is only for the unbeliever. We will have to stop trying to take away and add to the word of God. It’s already very specific on the subject and yet we still , do not teach correctly because we want to pretend like with the smartest person in the building. We need to stop having all these cowardice men teaching false information and stand up for what the Bible really says.
If the Corinthians had the real gift of tongues they would have been spiritual giants. Yet they were at best spiritual babies.
There’s no way Jesus didn’t speak in tongues! I thought Sam’s views were a little conservative. I understand Paul’s instruction of don’t speak in tongues without an interpreter but to me that means that the Corinthians were literally speaking from the pulpit in tongues and Paul was saying hey don’t do that it’s not edifying if it’s not interpreted. I think it’s okay to pray openly in tongues in a service and if unbelievers are preset it’s okay.
Then he don’t believe in the Pentecost probably
It gets to be a bit much
I am sorry guys, you can be all the woke you wish, but there is a major difference about the Holy Spirit from the Baptist as you seem to be based out of and the Pentecostal that is based out of the Holy Bible on the day of Pentecost.
Neither have everything right about everything Bible, but the basis of believing about the Holy Spirit's power or baptism comes from the Day of Pentecost not the day of your salvation!
The way I see it, if speaking in tongues is a gift, it is meant to be the lowest gift. Paul said he would rather us prophesy. Isn’t being a Christian about preaching Christ crucified and telling the good news. I don’t desire the gift as it has been pushed down my throat so much even to the point of being told you are not saved if you don’t speak in tongues. Christians should keep their eyes focused on Jesus not on tongues.
New to Sam Storms ministry really enjoyed reading some of his stuff until I saw he had Christine Caine at a conference. This person is a mess theologically. Wow to bad Sam.
So is he still staying in OKC until he dies or the Lord returns? 😆 🤣
It's scary to feel that believers would seemingly be trying to discourage Speaking in tongues when it builds up the Believer. Sometimes it seems as if there is an attempt to discourage Speaking in tongues to replace it with a whole bunch of man made reasoning. There is no power in all the knowledge of the world. In the times of my grandfather people barely could read and had little education and were more filled with power and of Godly principles than our generation. They could pray you through and even saw resurection of dead and healing of the sick. It is so unfortunate that more "knowing" has turned down the Spirit's move.
I don't agree
The last time tongues were ever given was Acts 19, end of story. So Sam here is no different than "Sam I Am" in the Dr. Seuss fairy tale running around trying to get people to try his version of tongues. Now you could never do that with the real gift but you certainly can with the counterfeit. Anyone can do and teach the counterfeit. And like green eggs and ham they can be quite tasty. But yet completely unedifying to the partakers.
false gift of tongue never find interpreters show us the contrary if you can
Sometimes there may not be an interpreter even if the tongues are legit
@@toffix13 sometimes???? lol
@@michelhaineault6654 Depends on individual experience i guess.
@@toffix13 they cannot have interprets it's not a true gift of tongue.
@@michelhaineault6654 How do you reconsile Paul forbidding to speak in tongues if there's no interpreter. Apparently they did speak in tongues without interpreter, just later Paul forbid them to do that.