Watching these Reformed Churches receive the Word of God on the Gifts of the Spirit, I can only imagine this is what it was like in the early days of the Pentecostal movement. This is awesome! I hope a lot of the Children of God are receiving the Word!
This is quite possibly the best (less than an hour long) systematic message on spiritual gifts that I have ever had the pleasure of hearing. I just enjoy Sam Storms so much more every time I hear him speak.
moments like this i am grateful to the Lord for media resources that can permit me to hear and participate in such a wonderful service as this! Truly God is good to Israel as the Psalmist Asaph said in the 73rd Psalm! thank you Pastor Storms!
Probably the best message I've heard on the gifts. Plenty of info but not too much and his personal experiences ring so true. Thankful for God's blessings
What exactly is it about JP and the gifts of the Spirit? Is it a sin not to desire spiritual gift? Is it a sin to claim to have a gift that God alone decides whether or not to give?
@@i-jamesazubuike9208 idk!! Great question!! My personal opinion is that his agenda stems from his experience. His church hurt that turned into unforgiveness and bitterness. And now here we are. He’s trying to explain it away distorting the scriptures.
@@Nnjdl344 well, you may be wrong. I personally know that quite a lot of fraud and fake abound in the supposed manifestation of the Spirit, even Storms acknowledges that. And again, it is error to say that it is a sin not to desire spiritual gift. That's distorting the scriptures. But obviously JP wouldn't come into this . JP also is not against a church, he calls out every false teacher he knows, and you also know that such is a false teacher.
@@i-jamesazubuike9208 just bc there’s abuse in the church doesn’t change what scriptures say. I think there can be frauds and fakes who deny the gifts thus doing a disservice to the body as a whole. They can be just as false as the others who take advantage, it goes both a ways
@@Nnjdl344 we are both on same page. But just becos JP calls out a false teacher doesn't mean he is bitter or hurting and so distorting the scripture. You and I have our opinion and that's fine. But we need to understand the Word of God and apply it correctly.
Just one correction. In Acts 2:11 they heard wonderful works of the Lord, not the gospel as many cessationists assume. The content of those words was praise and worship just like in I Cor 12, 14 the gift of speaking in tongues should be. “Cretans and Arabs-we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” Acts 2:11 NKJV
@@tomtemple69speaking in tongues are words sent to God, preaching the gospel are words from God to men. Cessassionists do whatever they can to deny what’s clearly written about the gifts of the Spirit.
@@canalgracaeterna6189 out of context, you're not only cutting the verse in half youre ignoring the verse right after it And learn what "but" means in a sentence
This is one of the pastors who consistently says that God says we are to "pursue the gifts" from 1 Cor 14:1. He misstates it almost every time. It doesn't say to pursue the gifts but to pursue LOVE.
Earnestly desiring spiritual gifts is in that verse, and that's why we say we should pursue them. What does it mean to pursue other than to earnestly desire something
@@Iffmeisterthe actual translation is to desire spiritual things- not gifts. But the point of the writer is that above all things- even spiritual things we are to go after- pursue LOVE. In the grand scheme of things in 1 Corinthians 12-14 is that Love is and should be the main thing- then desire spiritual THINGS (not gifts).
@@robinhoffeld7584 nope it does not. Read the actual Bible verse. You're wrong. I don't understand why it's so difficult to just read the text. Pursing something is different than to desire. Pursuing is going after it, desire is to want it without chasing it.
The gift of healing also depends on the person receiving. Maybe it isn't the Lords will they heal maybe they need to learn something from it. Maybe they don't have faith. I do believe some have a gift of healing. It could be emotionally, spiritually or physically
Sam story here about a person came up to him for healing he asked God to give him faith to pray for healing and when he pray for the person they’re migraine went away. He completes his story here with a hypothetical if another person came up to me and said hey God just feel that person pray for me. It might not happen. I wanna make is that it’s a hypothetical if it happen. If I was in that situation and a second person come up I would do exactly the same thing I did for the first person. As much as he knows and preaches about to give still got a few things a little off here. we need to know God is directing you to pray for healing. We need to know whenever situation comes up. What does God want to do we need to ask. And have faith that whatever answer we’re getting we believe it and obediently follow it. If you get nothing then be obedient and do nothing. Except explain to the person I’m not really getting anything I don’t know why but I pray that God will give you some answers as you pray and seek him.
The gifts/fruits of the Holy Spirit are listed right in Galatians 5: 22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
The gift of prophecy in the New testament only rarely means foretelling the future. Paul explains it clearly that tongues is uniteligible and prophecy is speaking inteligible words, explaining the Word of God.
Concerning the thorn of Paul, if you are corect with the context, you have no posibility to say that his thorn was a sickness. He says: ,,there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me". Is God coworker with demons? Is God sending demons to torment us? Did Jesus ever sent a demon to somebody? Acts 10:38 tell us: "even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." We see here God and Jesus working together to heal people and distroy the works of the devil. How is that, in your intrepretation, God is aligned with Satan here tormenting Paul? That messanger of the devil was sent by the devil himself as a result a the great revelations Paul had. The Bible tells us, and the devil knows it, that the more you know Christ and his Word, the more dangereus you become for the kingdom of darkness. For this reason Paul explains before this passage about his persecution. He prayed that this persecution would be stop but God's unswer was: No, but I already gave you power instead." In Acts ch 4 we have the same situation but the church is not praying against persecution (just mentioned it) but praying for power to be victorious in persecution. For this reason your explanation about the gifts of healing has no suport in the Bible. If God is no 100% for healing we don't have any support for faith in healing. Healing becomes a gambling. If the Bible would say God saves everybody except a few, all our ground for faith in salvation is lost. If the Bible would say that we have victory in all things except a few, again, all our ground for faith in victory is gone. Here you used your experience to made theology out of it. Cesationists do the same: They have no support for the cesation of the spiritual gifts so they use their experience: "We haven't experienced it so it shouldn't be true". Also you use few exception that have no explanation to contradict hundreds of pasages that state clearly God is totaly for our healing.
yeah, he went from one experience to another experience why does Paul say the signs of a true apostle are signs, wonders and miracles? the apostles were special, no one in history had miracles quite like them because they were chosen by God to authoritatively interpret Scripture and some wrote parts of Scripture too if everyone has the same exact gifts of the apostles, what differentiates them from anyone else? the mormons claim they have apostles and prophets will all the same gifts charismatics claim... how are the apostles different from mormonism? how do catholics have the same gifts (tongues, healing, prophecy, they even claim to have apostolic authority by sucession)? that would mean they have the Spirit too, which means they know the gospel...
My understanding is that you are a theologian. It is disturbing to me that you would add and or assume what is not written in the Word. Basically you are making up what you think Paul is meaning in the text. We are warned not to exceed what is written, which is what you are doing. As an example you state that Peter told them they were dead for lying to the Holy Spirit- false. All Peter did was ask why they did what they did and then they fell down dead. He didn't declare them dead or say they were going to die- they simply fell over dead. When you start adding to the scripture you are making the Holy Spirit a liar and you become a false teacher. I've seen you do this type of thing on Remnant Radio and you were never called out on it. Stop making things up that don't exist and you need to repent for lying- especially at the pulpit.
The gifts of the holy spirit are the ones the NAR twist and mock . I thank the Lord he delivered me and forgave me for following clown's like this guy.
TEACHINGS THAT DRY OUT MUSTARD SEEDS. He literally explains the gift of faith for the gift of healing. Test the spirit, There's too much "I think" & "this is how it worked for me" "I believe" "I don't believe" the word of God says Gods ways are not mans ways and God's understanding is not mans understanding. These teachings weaken the faith in people because they believe Circumstance controls God then you don't desire to prophecy, then you don't covet the best gifts because it's occasional "If it happens, it will happen." Like I've healed cancer I don't have the anointing to heal dementia or blindness. God will heal. Have faith in/ be obedient to who he sends to heal whether Ananias, Peter, or Elisha and test the spirits. Lord knows to describe one here. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. Find comfort knowing God of all doesn't require man to experience a thing for it to be done. God requires faith and it will be done. God Bless. Bless God. ✌🏾
There no- repeat no biblical text that says tongues is anything other than an actual language- not the gibberish we hear today. I know this because I used to speak gibberish and thought it was actual tongues like the text talks about. That's why there is a need for an interpreter. He speaks in tongues (languages) more than others because he was very well educated.
@@CarterLeachFilmalso this one says we are to "pursue the gifts". He's wrong. Read the actual verse- "Pursue LOVE and desire spiritual things." To say it's a sin to not pursue the gifts shows just how bad someone of his status mislead the church.
I too thought I was speaking in tongues when indeed, due to faulty education, I was speaking gibberish. When I unlearned, I cease to speak gibberish. If God wills to give me, fine. But never again will I fall for the deceit of men.
When speaking about healing you are leaving out that God is sovereign. He heals when He wants to. God does what He will to whomever He wills whenever He wills. We are dependent on God's sovereignty. It's not the gift by always God's sovereignty.
@BryanCurtisSaved What you said cannot be found in the Word of God, the healing power of God is dependent on us. If a person does not understand how healing works then they simply need to grow in the Lord and acquire the understanding to flow in that kind of authority. God wants all saved and all healed but the fault lies with us and our decisions, keep in mind there is nothing wrong in heaven and God wants his will on heaven to be done on this planet
@@johngraves9237 oh man you are so off!! So tell me how Jesus healed people who literally had no idea who He was or what He could do. An example would be at the pool when Jesus healed the man there. There are other scriptures throughout that would support what I'm saying but I don't want to do a whole sermon for you. I would definitely suggest you read the Word. By the way please site scripture that says you as a Christian has to learn and grow for the God who created all needs to do anything. Scripture not this man's teachings.
@BryanCurtisSaved You must be a Calvinist. Calvinism by nature hates the power of God, that is why many of them are cessationists. I notice the catch phrase "God is sovereign" explains away your lack of understanding of the nature of the Father. Jesus said let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. The will of God in heaven is perfect but not on this planet. You cannot use the sovereignty of God to overwrite the Word of the Lord but if you are a Calvinist then there are parts of the Word of God you have to get rid of or twist and distort.
@@johngraves9237 first, thank you for your comments. It means that to some extent you have a desire for God. Second no I'm not a Calvinist. Are there certain aspects of it that I believe are Biblical yes, just like I also believe that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are still active today. Jesus was explaining to us HOW WE ARE TO PRAY- asking that HIS WILL (not ours) be done on earth as it is in Heaven. What does that mean? Does that mean that we are to be healed at all times under all circumstances? NO. The Word never says that we can demand God to do anything or even expect that He will. The speaker literally says it is up to GOD's Will!! Did you not listen to the speaker himself?? Your comment saying that I must hate the Power of God is such an incredibly offensive comment. Is not GOD Sovereign? Does He not have the power to do anything He wants or desires? It seems to me that you have an incorrect and heretical view of the God who is above all. I would ask you where you find the Nature of God? I read the entire scripture in context, not just pulling out a scripture here or there where you want to so that it means something it is not. I think that Sam Storms is a nice man, has a desire for God, but I would never take what he says as correct. You can take any scripture out of context and create whatever you want- which he at times does (multiple times in this video example his comments on Prophecy). I have spent more than 30 years in a charismatic church, prayed for the sick, believed for healing every time for them and myself. But my experiences there are not what make up my beliefs- it is the scriptures. Be a Berean, not a follower of a man.
@BryanCurtisSaved I think you ignored what I said and I am glad you are not a Calvinist but none of it is biblical but I think you have a doctrine that if forcing you to overshadow the Word of God. Can you tell me what the phrase "sovereignty of God" is supposed to mean? Can his sovereignty go against the Word of God?
So sad to see Sam go from one extreme to the other. "I don't see the miraculous gifts, so they have ceased" to "fake it till you make it." You now have become so desperate to see it that you change the encouragement to ask for the gift of prophecy into a command that you are sinning against if you have not done it. This is one of the most manipulative messages I have ever heard. No one in this church tested this message and corrected it in any way? How is this possible? This video has not aged well. Yet even after gushing over Mike Bickle for many years as the poster child for spiritual gifts, Sam has not repented of the false testimonies he has given so often over years as has now been revealed.
Deep read your Bible and stop believing the seminary schools are the ultimate truth. The Bible G-d is the ultimate truth and every man a liar. Satan had his fingers in the building of mainstream doctrine
Since not all will get the gift of tongues not all are to speak or pray in tongues as it is not for all. The actual gift of tongues typically will be accompanied by someone with the gift of interpretation. To do otherwise is sin. Not all will prophecy as well. If not obeying is a sin then to say all will do this or that is to teach sin.
someone should tell him that Paul commands that 2 at most 3 in the church can speak in tongues and one must interpret is a COMMAND and if you don't follow that, you are SINNING
The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy. If you don’t think you sin, you’re only fooling yourself. What is the commandment? Listed right in 1 John 3:23 “And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.” The commandment is to believe.
You can speak in tongues in your own house and on your own time and you don't need a translator just in case you were not aware of that it's your personal relationship with the Lord
A key phrase in this, is when you are together, 2 or 3 at most should speak. This about a communal issue. It is not a limitation on the number of people who can speak in tongues, except for in a meeting. In that light, the implication is actually that more than 2 or 3 people can speak in tongues. Paul is giving a guideline in the proper use of the gift in the situation the Corinthians are in. Context is so very important when interpreting.
@@Balddad3boys the context was a multilingual church near a Jewish synagogue, the tongues in 1 cor 14 was simply a language the speaker knows but people in the congregation didn't "Context is so very important when interpreting" you're right, context obliterates the charismatic interpretation lol
I don’t know how Sam can continue to believe that not everyone who gets baptized and holy spirit speaks with tongues. He’s misunderstanding Corinthians chapter 12. Yes it says not all speak with tongues. But it also says not all are prophets. Yeah later Paul says in chapter 14 verse five that he wishes all would speak in tongue that all would prophesy. Is Paul contradicting himself or is Sam misunderstanding what he’s saying here. I believe Sam has some things confused here. There seems to be a distinction between prophets like Agabus who prophesy future events would take place. And prophecy that edifies the church the same with tongues there’s a tongue that everyone receives when they’re baptized in the holy spirit. There is no scripture that says some receive the ability to speak in tongues when they were baptized in the Holy Spirit. Again Sam is confusing the gift of tongues that you receive as a prayer language that the Holy Spirit is praying through you through your spirit as John wrote when Jesus cried aloud in chapter 7 of of John. Jesus cried loud saying anyone who is thirsty come and drink. whoever believes in me and drinks out of his innermost being or out of his belly shall flow rivers of living Waters. Indicating that this was theHoly Spirit that the disciples were later receive. This is tongues I believe. Sam did an excellent job here. But I believe his reform upbringing has some things hanging on him that’s causing him still not fully and completely embrace the moving of the spirit. I experienced I’ve seen some people have moved by the Holy Spirit and praying for healing for people. Myself I seem to have great discernment of spirits when I was just a few weeks old and the Lord I discerned that the house that I was living in no one told me this but that there was spirits connected to all the sinning from the partying we did in that house. As I was cleaning up this house the need to ask the Lord to clean his house. I told him Lord I didn’t want anyone to be affected by all the sin that had taken place in this house. When I prayed this way it was like a light had come on or that I had just received the breath of fresh air. I was later told that this was the casting out of demons from that house. other people moving faith have the faith to believe that God wants to do this or do that. That encourages and leads people into doing new things for the Lord , we called them apostles. I believe the Sam‘s background of always trying to find every experience every situation whatever has to be found in the Bible. Wow we should use the word of God as a guide strange things happen can happen in the Christian experience. Look at Jesus he took mud and spit and mix it together and used it to heal a person’s eyes. A prophet told a man to dip in the river three times before he was healed. A man who was later to be buried in the same tomb of Elijah and return to life. We had an ax head floating. sometimes we see some strange things and if we try to continually say what I can’t happen because we can’t find anything about it in the word of God so we reject it. We must learn to discern in our spirit whether something is of the spirit or not along with the word of God. I’ll go through the word first but then I’ll also ask for confirmation in my spirit. Look at the woman who had a spirit of divination who is praising the apostles telling them that they were speaking the truth about God. And several days later Paul rebuke the spirit out of her. Even though she was speaking he knew something was not quite right in his spirit and to discern that she had a demon and it needed to be cast out of her. Again Sam has done a great job but he has a little bit ways to go
Looking back now with his relationship with Mike Bickle it really stands out just how much of a false teacher Sam Storms is. And he has zero discernment or real understanding of the Word- so sad. He is lying about God's word right now.
My brother, the situation with Mike bickle is tragic don’t get me wrong but being deceived by someone you thought was close is not a new thing. If you’re really gonna call Sam storms a false teacher because one of his friends was deceiving him. You really need to take a look back into your word. Sam storms has always been someone who exposits the text fairly
Disciples were in community with Judas yet were deceived by him so we should throw out all of their ministry as well? Non sense. I urge you dear brother to please go back to the word and not let your feelings determine the way you feel about situations. The word is the authority to which we hold to.
@@ethanchapman842there is much to be said- first that they were not filled with the Spirit so they couldn't be held to Biblical standards of decernment. But Sam is teaching a false doctrine in this video. The word is "Pursue LOVE, and desire the spiritual things/ (the word gifts isn't even in the original text) so that you might prophecy. He is reading into it something not there. That's called being a false teacher. And then on top of that to lie and put a sin on you for not doing what it doesn't say is just wrong teaching period. I'm sure he's a nice person but to claim to know Bickle more than you can know anyone and state your decernment on that shows he's not following the Word and is falsely teaching. My point though is not so much about Bickle but about Sam falsely teaching something not in God's word. Yes be a Berean and read for yourself- you will see what he's saying is not true
@@BryanCurtisSaved hey thanks for the reply back. I get what you’re saying but what you’re saying just isn’t true. Spiritual gift is a fine translation. It does not take away from the original Greek word. So what you’re saying is plainly wrong. We absolutely should be Bereans! I’m just saying you need to be careful who you’re calling a false teacher because what you’re saying has no biblical grounds.
@@BryanCurtisSaved and on the bickle situation. People can deceive brother, this isn’t a new thing so to discount someone’s whole ministry is ridiculous
Sam, you're torturing the Scripture. 1 Cor. 12:31: covet earnestly the best gifts (these are described in chapter 13; faith, hope and love) and yet show I unto you a more excellent way; that is introduced in 14:1. The excellent way IS NOT LOVE!!!!! Love is the greatest of the best gifts BUT NOT THE EXCELLENT WAY!!!! The excellent way is "rather that ye may PROPHESY" To prophesy in this context IS NOT A GIFT!!!! But rather a "way" or method. It is reiterating that which has already been revealed by God. Summary: we desire more faith hope and love. But more importantly we prophesy which is to say we give out that which has already been revealed through Scripture. We certainly don't desire to use our imagination to speak whatever come what may to whoever we deem appropriate.
@Yeah! Prove anything I've said wrong by the text and you'll be the first to do it. I would say the same thing to Sam, Jack Deere or any other pentecostal.
Watching these Reformed Churches receive the Word of God on the Gifts of the Spirit, I can only imagine this is what it was like in the early days of the Pentecostal movement. This is awesome! I hope a lot of the Children of God are receiving the Word!
This is quite possibly the best (less than an hour long) systematic message on spiritual gifts that I have ever had the pleasure of hearing. I just enjoy Sam Storms so much more every time I hear him speak.
I agree. This teaching should be implemented by everyone watching.
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As a charismatic, covenantal, pedobaptist, reformed presbyterian I am thankful for you Pastor Storms.
I don’t think anyone has impacted my life in terms of theological perspective more then Sam Storms.
moments like this i am grateful to the Lord for media resources that can permit me to hear and participate in such a wonderful service as this! Truly God is good to Israel as the Psalmist Asaph said in the 73rd Psalm! thank you Pastor Storms!
God bless you, pastor.
Probably the best message I've heard on the gifts. Plenty of info but not too much and his personal experiences ring so true. Thankful for God's blessings
Wish the body would get united like it is supposed to be.
Great video !
Justin peters needs a prophetic word that he can’t deny
He will eat his words someday. It sounds harsh but he will.
What exactly is it about JP and the gifts of the Spirit?
Is it a sin not to desire spiritual gift? Is it a sin to claim to have a gift that God alone decides whether or not to give?
@@i-jamesazubuike9208 idk!! Great question!! My personal opinion is that his agenda stems from his experience. His church hurt that turned into unforgiveness and bitterness. And now here we are.
He’s trying to explain it away distorting the scriptures.
@@Nnjdl344 well, you may be wrong. I personally know that quite a lot of fraud and fake abound in the supposed manifestation of the Spirit, even Storms acknowledges that. And again, it is error to say that it is a sin not to desire spiritual gift. That's distorting the scriptures. But obviously JP wouldn't come into this . JP also is not against a church, he calls out every false teacher he knows, and you also know that such is a false teacher.
@@i-jamesazubuike9208 just bc there’s abuse in the church doesn’t change what scriptures say. I think there can be frauds and fakes who deny the gifts thus doing a disservice to the body as a whole.
They can be just as false as the others who take advantage, it goes both a ways
@@Nnjdl344 we are both on same page. But just becos JP calls out a false teacher doesn't mean he is bitter or hurting and so distorting the scripture. You and I have our opinion and that's fine. But we need to understand the Word of God and apply it correctly.
It would be interesting to hear Sam discuss healing with Curry Blake, they would come from opposite directions, that's for sure.
Just one correction. In Acts 2:11 they heard wonderful works of the Lord, not the gospel as many cessationists assume. The content of those words was praise and worship just like in I Cor 12, 14 the gift of speaking in tongues should be.
“Cretans and Arabs-we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” Acts 2:11 NKJV
is the gopsel not the greatest work of the Lord? the work of the cross not a wonderful work?
@@tomtemple69speaking in tongues are words sent to God, preaching the gospel are words from God to men. Cessassionists do whatever they can to deny what’s clearly written about the gifts of the Spirit.
@@canalgracaeterna6189 out of context, you're not only cutting the verse in half youre ignoring the verse right after it
And learn what "but" means in a sentence
And are the languages gibberish, talatala, manshada manshada?
Wow
This is one of the pastors who consistently says that God says we are to "pursue the gifts" from 1 Cor 14:1. He misstates it almost every time. It doesn't say to pursue the gifts but to pursue LOVE.
Earnestly desiring spiritual gifts is in that verse, and that's why we say we should pursue them. What does it mean to pursue other than to earnestly desire something
@@Iffmeisterthe actual translation is to desire spiritual things- not gifts. But the point of the writer is that above all things- even spiritual things we are to go after- pursue LOVE. In the grand scheme of things in 1 Corinthians 12-14 is that Love is and should be the main thing- then desire spiritual THINGS (not gifts).
That doesn't change that you're disobeying scripture if you think spiritual gifts are unnecessary big boss@@BryanCurtisSaved
It tells us to pursue both
@@robinhoffeld7584 nope it does not. Read the actual Bible verse. You're wrong. I don't understand why it's so difficult to just read the text. Pursing something is different than to desire. Pursuing is going after it, desire is to want it without chasing it.
The gift of healing also depends on the person receiving. Maybe it isn't the Lords will they heal maybe they need to learn something from it. Maybe they don't have faith. I do believe some have a gift of healing. It could be emotionally, spiritually or physically
Sam story here about a person came up to him for healing he asked God to give him faith to pray for healing and when he pray for the person they’re migraine went away. He completes his story here with a hypothetical if another person came up to me and said hey God just feel that person pray for me. It might not happen. I wanna make is that it’s a hypothetical if it happen. If I was in that situation and a second person come up I would do exactly the same thing I did for the first person. As much as he knows and preaches about to give still got a few things a little off here. we need to know God is directing you to pray for healing. We need to know whenever situation comes up. What does God want to do we need to ask. And have faith that whatever answer we’re getting we believe it and obediently follow it. If you get nothing then be obedient and do nothing. Except explain to the person I’m not really getting anything I don’t know why but I pray that God will give you some answers as you pray and seek him.
Also, an important new revelation and question, how did they know the Holy Spirit was not yet given in Acts 8? Please answer this for me?
The gifts/fruits of the Holy Spirit are listed right in Galatians 5: 22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Wait so there’s 21 gifts? Anyone care to elaborate
I don't agree that not earnestly desiring spiritual gifts is a sin. I personally believe Paul is just giving good advice.
Sometimes when healing doesn't work it is also because the person need deliverance demons manifest and cause health issues often
The gift of prophecy in the New testament only rarely means foretelling the future. Paul explains it clearly that tongues is uniteligible and prophecy is speaking inteligible words, explaining the Word of God.
Concerning the thorn of Paul, if you are corect with the context, you have no posibility to say that his thorn was a sickness. He says: ,,there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me". Is God coworker with demons? Is God sending demons to torment us? Did Jesus ever sent a demon to somebody? Acts 10:38 tell us: "even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." We see here God and Jesus working together to heal people and distroy the works of the devil. How is that, in your intrepretation, God is aligned with Satan here tormenting Paul? That messanger of the devil was sent by the devil himself as a result a the great revelations Paul had. The Bible tells us, and the devil knows it, that the more you know Christ and his Word, the more dangereus you become for the kingdom of darkness. For this reason Paul explains before this passage about his persecution. He prayed that this persecution would be stop but God's unswer was: No, but I already gave you power instead." In Acts ch 4 we have the same situation but the church is not praying against persecution (just mentioned it) but praying for power to be victorious in persecution.
For this reason your explanation about the gifts of healing has no suport in the Bible. If God is no 100% for healing we don't have any support for faith in healing. Healing becomes a gambling. If the Bible would say God saves everybody except a few, all our ground for faith in salvation is lost. If the Bible would say that we have victory in all things except a few, again, all our ground for faith in victory is gone.
Here you used your experience to made theology out of it. Cesationists do the same: They have no support for the cesation of the spiritual gifts so they use their experience: "We haven't experienced it so it shouldn't be true". Also you use few exception that have no explanation to contradict hundreds of pasages that state clearly God is totaly for our healing.
yeah, he went from one experience to another experience
why does Paul say the signs of a true apostle are signs, wonders and miracles? the apostles were special, no one in history had miracles quite like them because they were chosen by God to authoritatively interpret Scripture and some wrote parts of Scripture too
if everyone has the same exact gifts of the apostles, what differentiates them from anyone else? the mormons claim they have apostles and prophets will all the same gifts charismatics claim... how are the apostles different from mormonism? how do catholics have the same gifts (tongues, healing, prophecy, they even claim to have apostolic authority by sucession)? that would mean they have the Spirit too, which means they know the gospel...
@dansidor Solid explanation on the thorn in the flesh! 100 percent correct
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My understanding is that you are a theologian. It is disturbing to me that you would add and or assume what is not written in the Word. Basically you are making up what you think Paul is meaning in the text. We are warned not to exceed what is written, which is what you are doing. As an example you state that Peter told them they were dead for lying to the Holy Spirit- false. All Peter did was ask why they did what they did and then they fell down dead. He didn't declare them dead or say they were going to die- they simply fell over dead. When you start adding to the scripture you are making the Holy Spirit a liar and you become a false teacher. I've seen you do this type of thing on Remnant Radio and you were never called out on it. Stop making things up that don't exist and you need to repent for lying- especially at the pulpit.
The gifts of the holy spirit are the ones the NAR twist and mock . I thank the Lord he delivered me and forgave me for following clown's like this guy.
TEACHINGS THAT DRY OUT MUSTARD SEEDS. He literally explains the gift of faith for the gift of healing. Test the spirit, There's too much "I think" & "this is how it worked for me" "I believe" "I don't believe" the word of God says Gods ways are not mans ways and God's understanding is not mans understanding. These teachings weaken the faith in people because they believe Circumstance controls God then you don't desire to prophecy, then you don't covet the best gifts because it's occasional "If it happens, it will happen." Like I've healed cancer I don't have the anointing to heal dementia or blindness.
God will heal. Have faith in/ be obedient to who he sends to heal whether Ananias, Peter, or Elisha and test the spirits.
Lord knows to describe one here. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Find comfort knowing God of all doesn't require man to experience a thing for it to be done. God requires faith and it will be done. God Bless. Bless God. ✌🏾
There no- repeat no biblical text that says tongues is anything other than an actual language- not the gibberish we hear today. I know this because I used to speak gibberish and thought it was actual tongues like the text talks about. That's why there is a need for an interpreter. He speaks in tongues (languages) more than others because he was very well educated.
1 Corinthians 12 and 14 quite literally teach two types of tongues. Known languages and heavenly prayer languages.
@@CarterLeachFilmyou're Biblically incorrect
@@CarterLeachFilmbecause Berean!
@@CarterLeachFilmalso this one says we are to "pursue the gifts". He's wrong. Read the actual verse- "Pursue LOVE and desire spiritual things." To say it's a sin to not pursue the gifts shows just how bad someone of his status mislead the church.
I too thought I was speaking in tongues when indeed, due to faulty education, I was speaking gibberish. When I unlearned, I cease to speak gibberish. If God wills to give me, fine. But never again will I fall for the deceit of men.
When speaking about healing you are leaving out that God is sovereign. He heals when He wants to. God does what He will to whomever He wills whenever He wills. We are dependent on God's sovereignty. It's not the gift by always God's sovereignty.
@BryanCurtisSaved What you said cannot be found in the Word of God, the healing power of God is dependent on us. If a person does not understand how healing works then they simply need to grow in the Lord and acquire the understanding to flow in that kind of authority. God wants all saved and all healed but the fault lies with us and our decisions, keep in mind there is nothing wrong in heaven and God wants his will on heaven to be done on this planet
@@johngraves9237 oh man you are so off!! So tell me how Jesus healed people who literally had no idea who He was or what He could do. An example would be at the pool when Jesus healed the man there. There are other scriptures throughout that would support what I'm saying but I don't want to do a whole sermon for you. I would definitely suggest you read the Word. By the way please site scripture that says you as a Christian has to learn and grow for the God who created all needs to do anything. Scripture not this man's teachings.
@BryanCurtisSaved You must be a Calvinist. Calvinism by nature hates the power of God, that is why many of them are cessationists. I notice the catch phrase "God is sovereign" explains away your lack of understanding of the nature of the Father. Jesus said let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. The will of God in heaven is perfect but not on this planet. You cannot use the sovereignty of God to overwrite the Word of the Lord but if you are a Calvinist then there are parts of the Word of God you have to get rid of or twist and distort.
@@johngraves9237 first, thank you for your comments. It means that to some extent you have a desire for God. Second no I'm not a Calvinist. Are there certain aspects of it that I believe are Biblical yes, just like I also believe that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are still active today. Jesus was explaining to us HOW WE ARE TO PRAY- asking that HIS WILL (not ours) be done on earth as it is in Heaven. What does that mean? Does that mean that we are to be healed at all times under all circumstances? NO. The Word never says that we can demand God to do anything or even expect that He will. The speaker literally says it is up to GOD's Will!! Did you not listen to the speaker himself?? Your comment saying that I must hate the Power of God is such an incredibly offensive comment. Is not GOD Sovereign? Does He not have the power to do anything He wants or desires? It seems to me that you have an incorrect and heretical view of the God who is above all. I would ask you where you find the Nature of God? I read the entire scripture in context, not just pulling out a scripture here or there where you want to so that it means something it is not. I think that Sam Storms is a nice man, has a desire for God, but I would never take what he says as correct. You can take any scripture out of context and create whatever you want- which he at times does (multiple times in this video example his comments on Prophecy). I have spent more than 30 years in a charismatic church, prayed for the sick, believed for healing every time for them and myself. But my experiences there are not what make up my beliefs- it is the scriptures. Be a Berean, not a follower of a man.
@BryanCurtisSaved I think you ignored what I said and I am glad you are not a Calvinist but none of it is biblical but I think you have a doctrine that if forcing you to overshadow the Word of God. Can you tell me what the phrase "sovereignty of God" is supposed to mean? Can his sovereignty go against the Word of God?
Paul said to seek the best gifts, not Jesus. So it is not a commandment.
So sad to see Sam go from one extreme to the other. "I don't see the miraculous gifts, so they have ceased" to "fake it till you make it."
You now have become so desperate to see it that you change the encouragement to ask for the gift of prophecy into a command that you are sinning against if you have not done it. This is one of the most manipulative messages I have ever heard. No one in this church tested this message and corrected it in any way? How is this possible?
This video has not aged well. Yet even after gushing over Mike Bickle for many years as the poster child for spiritual gifts, Sam has not repented of the false testimonies he has given so often over years as has now been revealed.
Deep read your Bible and stop believing the seminary schools are the ultimate truth. The Bible G-d is the ultimate truth and every man a liar. Satan had his fingers in the building of mainstream doctrine
Since not all will get the gift of tongues not all are to speak or pray in tongues as it is not for all. The actual gift of tongues typically will be accompanied by someone with the gift of interpretation. To do otherwise is sin. Not all will prophecy as well. If not obeying is a sin then to say all will do this or that is to teach sin.
@BryanCurtisSaved Tongues at the BASIC LEVEL is the language of YOUR BORN AGAIN SPIRIT. ANYBODY can exercise their heavenly language.
someone should tell him that Paul commands that 2 at most 3 in the church can speak in tongues and one must interpret is a COMMAND
and if you don't follow that, you are SINNING
The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy. If you don’t think you sin, you’re only fooling yourself.
What is the commandment? Listed right in 1 John 3:23
“And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.”
The commandment is to believe.
Do you follow that if not you are SINNING
Forbid not to speak in tongues
You can speak in tongues in your own house and on your own time and you don't need a translator just in case you were not aware of that it's your personal relationship with the Lord
A key phrase in this, is when you are together, 2 or 3 at most should speak. This about a communal issue. It is not a limitation on the number of people who can speak in tongues, except for in a meeting. In that light, the implication is actually that more than 2 or 3 people can speak in tongues. Paul is giving a guideline in the proper use of the gift in the situation the Corinthians are in. Context is so very important when interpreting.
@@Balddad3boys the context was a multilingual church near a Jewish synagogue, the tongues in 1 cor 14 was simply a language the speaker knows but people in the congregation didn't
"Context is so very important when interpreting"
you're right, context obliterates the charismatic interpretation lol
In the first few sentences he start speaking I know he does not understand the spiritual gifts.
I don’t know how Sam can continue to believe that not everyone who gets baptized and holy spirit speaks with tongues. He’s misunderstanding Corinthians chapter 12. Yes it says not all speak with tongues. But it also says not all are prophets. Yeah later Paul says in chapter 14 verse five that he wishes all would speak in tongue that all would prophesy. Is Paul contradicting himself or is Sam misunderstanding what he’s saying here. I believe Sam has some things confused here. There seems to be a distinction between prophets like Agabus who prophesy future events would take place. And prophecy that edifies the church the same with tongues there’s a tongue that everyone receives when they’re baptized in the holy spirit. There is no scripture that says some receive the ability to speak in tongues when they were baptized in the Holy Spirit. Again Sam is confusing the gift of tongues that you receive as a prayer language that the Holy Spirit is praying through you through your spirit as John wrote when Jesus cried aloud in chapter 7 of of John. Jesus cried loud saying anyone who is thirsty come and drink. whoever believes in me and drinks out of his innermost being or out of his belly shall flow rivers of living Waters. Indicating that this was theHoly Spirit that the disciples were later receive. This is tongues I believe. Sam did an excellent job here. But I believe his reform upbringing has some things hanging on him that’s causing him still not fully and completely embrace the moving of the spirit. I experienced I’ve seen some people have moved by the Holy Spirit and praying for healing for people. Myself I seem to have great discernment of spirits when I was just a few weeks old and the Lord I discerned that the house that I was living in no one told me this but that there was spirits connected to all the sinning from the partying we did in that house. As I was cleaning up this house the need to ask the Lord to clean his house. I told him Lord I didn’t want anyone to be affected by all the sin that had taken place in this house. When I prayed this way it was like a light had come on or that I had just received the breath of fresh air. I was later told that this was the casting out of demons from that house. other people moving faith have the faith to believe that God wants to do this or do that. That encourages and leads people into doing new things for the Lord , we called them apostles. I believe the Sam‘s background of always trying to find every experience every situation whatever has to be found in the Bible. Wow we should use the word of God as a guide strange things happen can happen in the Christian experience. Look at Jesus he took mud and spit and mix it together and used it to heal a person’s eyes. A prophet told a man to dip in the river three times before he was healed. A man who was later to be buried in the same tomb of Elijah and return to life. We had an ax head floating. sometimes we see some strange things and if we try to continually say what I can’t happen because we can’t find anything about it in the word of God so we reject it. We must learn to discern in our spirit whether something is of the spirit or not along with the word of God. I’ll go through the word first but then I’ll also ask for confirmation in my spirit. Look at the woman who had a spirit of divination who is praising the apostles telling them that they were speaking the truth about God. And several days later Paul rebuke the spirit out of her. Even though she was speaking he knew something was not quite right in his spirit and to discern that she had a demon and it needed to be cast out of her. Again Sam has done a great job but he has a little bit ways to go
Looking back now with his relationship with Mike Bickle it really stands out just how much of a false teacher Sam Storms is. And he has zero discernment or real understanding of the Word- so sad. He is lying about God's word right now.
My brother, the situation with Mike bickle is tragic don’t get me wrong but being deceived by someone you thought was close is not a new thing. If you’re really gonna call Sam storms a false teacher because one of his friends was deceiving him. You really need to take a look back into your word. Sam storms has always been someone who exposits the text fairly
Disciples were in community with Judas yet were deceived by him so we should throw out all of their ministry as well? Non sense. I urge you dear brother to please go back to the word and not let your feelings determine the way you feel about situations. The word is the authority to which we hold to.
@@ethanchapman842there is much to be said- first that they were not filled with the Spirit so they couldn't be held to Biblical standards of decernment. But Sam is teaching a false doctrine in this video. The word is "Pursue LOVE, and desire the spiritual things/ (the word gifts isn't even in the original text) so that you might prophecy. He is reading into it something not there. That's called being a false teacher. And then on top of that to lie and put a sin on you for not doing what it doesn't say is just wrong teaching period. I'm sure he's a nice person but to claim to know Bickle more than you can know anyone and state your decernment on that shows he's not following the Word and is falsely teaching. My point though is not so much about Bickle but about Sam falsely teaching something not in God's word. Yes be a Berean and read for yourself- you will see what he's saying is not true
@@BryanCurtisSaved hey thanks for the reply back. I get what you’re saying but what you’re saying just isn’t true. Spiritual gift is a fine translation. It does not take away from the original Greek word. So what you’re saying is plainly wrong. We absolutely should be Bereans! I’m just saying you need to be careful who you’re calling a false teacher because what you’re saying has no biblical grounds.
@@BryanCurtisSaved and on the bickle situation. People can deceive brother, this isn’t a new thing so to discount someone’s whole ministry is ridiculous
What a wacko
Sam, you're torturing the Scripture. 1 Cor. 12:31: covet earnestly the best gifts (these are described in chapter 13; faith, hope and love) and yet show I unto you a more excellent way; that is introduced in 14:1. The excellent way IS NOT LOVE!!!!! Love is the greatest of the best gifts BUT NOT THE EXCELLENT WAY!!!! The excellent way is "rather that ye may PROPHESY" To prophesy in this context IS NOT A GIFT!!!! But rather a "way" or method. It is reiterating that which has already been revealed by God. Summary: we desire more faith hope and love. But more importantly we prophesy which is to say we give out that which has already been revealed through Scripture. We certainly don't desire to use our imagination to speak whatever come what may to whoever we deem appropriate.
@Yeah! Prove anything I've said wrong by the text and you'll be the first to do it. I would say the same thing to Sam, Jack Deere or any other pentecostal.
Maybe you should meet with him and tell him that. I'm sure he will be very loving woth your rebuttal.
@@ladym7852 I would pay to meet with him. These guys don't know what they don't know.
@@jeffengstrom8657 I doubt he would read your message.
@@ladym7852 You're probably right