i did feel bad for him since the day he saw the memories, imagine living in peace wanting to be with someone you love and your friends but your entire family and race is being erased cuz of their ancestors and you have to carry all that burden and power to achieve the dream of letting others live their life while you dont, bro sacrificed the world for his friends and didnt get to live the life he wanted with mikasa PLUS he was only 19 years old, bro was just an emotional ass kid that lived a tragic life
well put. if you read the lyrics of the final season ending then it'll make sense. hell even the op has some lyrics that can confirm what goes through eren's mind like "all i wanted was to save your life i never wanted to hold the knife" i'm paraphrasing but something akin to that lyric is in the final season op.
and some people dont like rhe ending cause eren died bro wtf let eren rest cause he suffered enough he carry the whole pain he carry the whole curse he didnt cry when meat girl died caujse he already forsesaw it but. he still iwant to change it thats why eren becoming bird roaming the sky was the freeiest eren could be
"bro sacrifice the world *and himself* " Eren know he didn't have much time left, so he at least try to create a freedom for Paradise Island and his friends. Yes I know after all he did, his goal goes unfulfilled in the end. But it's like real life, isn't it
Yes, just is pov changed so his action changed. His character become more mature, stoic and focused on what have been done. He decided his own fate cause he was in the dilemma of kill or getting killed( Darwinism). The first sentence in the first opening is :" Sind wir das Essen? Nein wir sind die Jäger/ Yaeger!" That means:" Are we the food? No we are the hunter!" He is along with Guts one of the most tragical characters ever written.
I'm not a Jaegerist. I'm not on Marleyan's or Eldian's side. I'm also not completely on Survey Corp's side. But I'm absolutely on Eren's side. My top 3 characters are Eren, Jean and Reiner. Honorable mention to Erwin and Levi. Try reading the lyrics of Name of Love by Cinema Staff. The outro for season 3.
We're the same. If Attack on Titan has taught us anything, is that siding with anyone with "big ideals" is useless (and with that I mean the Survey Corps, the Yeagerists, the Eldians and the Marleyans). I personally empathize with the characters as "people", and in my opinion it makes a lot of sense, judging by the message the ending carries. My top 5 are Erwin, Eren, Reiner, Levi and Zeke, also Bertholdt has a special place.
My top three are Eren, Reiner and Armin. Armin might be a 'controversial' one considering people don't like his flawed decisions and inactions in Season 4, but that's exactly why I like Armin. I think Armin serves as an important narrative device to Isayama's own perspective into wars and violence, that there is more to living than being stuck in that treacherous cycle. Armin has always been someone who's rather disinterested in fighting; he just wants to discover the world and get to know what and who are in them. He clings on to the hope that there is peace, even if it's so naive and futile in a cruel world like AOT. And he is a reminder to us viewers that we are sort of hypocrites if we believe that we can do good without getting our hands dirty in the midst of wars and violence (shoutout to Bertholdt for that important line). To me, Armin's flaws are a reflection of how someone who wants to do good and keep their hands as clean as possible probably won't survive a cruel world without someone else paying the price. That in the end, you have to let go of those ideals in order to do what's necessary (something that Eren has fully embraced once Season 4 began). And despite all that, despite all the cruelty he has seen, Armin still sees the good in people. He has never been consumed by revenge nor rage like Eren (even Eren acknowledges Armin's necessary qualities to the world, when he said in Season 3 Part 2, "the one who will save humanity is not me nor Commander Erwin, it's Armin!"). To me, Armin symbolises the breakage of the cycle of revenge, because to forgive takes something deeper, more sincere than anything vengeance can ever bring.
@@daniaaal Well I do agree to a certain extent but I think Armin is a character that you want before or after war not during war. The reason why I didn't put him in my top 3 is because his choices don''t hold as much responsabilities as the one I cited above. He's still a good character and was necessary. Now on the other hand I don't agree that Eren was consumed by rage and revenge in the last season, it's the contrary. He was the most calm and collect individual but used his past rage to fueled his determination to keep moving forward. He understood his enemy and even had empathy and guilt for them mainly for what he's about to do but he had a choice to make. The hardest choices require the strongest will and unfortunately for the world, he had the srongest will. He didn't blame others for his fate or choices, neither victimized himself anymore, which a lot of peoples tends to do. Pushing responsabilities and blame into others. Eren and Erwin shouldered everything and that's why they are my favorites characters.
I mean whether or not Eren deserves sympathy is more one of those philosophical questions to ponder since there's no easy answer, although this was a good take. The real issue I took with the shitstorm surrounding the ending was how people acted like Eren's breakdown was out of nowhere and his character was ruined, because they kept seeing him as this stoic, swave, evil mastermind playing 4D chess on everyone, above showing any human emotion. And with that I'd like to reference anytime he shifted into his Attack Titan, or the moments before he fully activated the Founder, or when Eren broke down infront of Ramses despite his plan already being in motion.
Exactly bro. Anybody who thought of Eren as this unbreakable, unfeeling machine who didn’t care about anything severely misunderstood his character. The last chapter humanizing him is meant to show just how wrong he was for activating the rumbling and if ppl believe Isayama humanizing Eren ruined his character, then they must also believe that the rumbling was justified which in no way in hell can u justify the rumbling.
@@Sxshhi Considering that their idea of a "fixed" ending is Eren winning, the alliance joining a suicide pact, and Eren returning to Paradis with a baby he had with Historia... yeah I think they supported the Rumbling.
@@yagamilight9902 That's what made the entirety of the AOT world such a gray world. They've gone past the line of no return during their cycle of hatred n they've gotten to the point where no one knows what could have been the better decision.
I feel like eren jeager is so misunderstood and the biggest reason is that it was prophecy, he saw the future and he couldn’t change it no matter what he did, Kenny ackerman said that everyone’s a slave to something, eren is a slave to freedom. Eren is the person in the show about wanting to be free the most but he’s tied to a predetermined fate in the hands of Ymir the founder, so he was never free because In the end he is bound to his predetermined destiny to unleash the rumbling. People always say eren is evil and stuff like that when he’s not even the villain, he’s just fulfilling the predetermined destiny that is bound to happen. Eren is one of the best if not the best written character in any media ever and I can’t even explain to you why but he just is, his character development as well is awesome, he went from his world view being black and white and thinking all titans are bad all humans are good until he discovered he was a titan himself and humans were once titans, then went to Marley and discovered that it’s just like paradis, good and bad people on both sides. The dawn of humanity episode is such a great episode because in the beginning when eren first reached marley and everyone was eating ice cream and he had a blank yet worried impression on his face it was one of two things for me, either he was watching the rumbling unfold or he was contemplating it. But me personally I’ve always been on erens side even during the rumbling because of all the f’ed up stuff he had to endure.
And by extension, majority of the populations in the whole AOT world need therapy because most of them have been consumed by or are victims of the cycles of war, revenge and killings :(
As someone who’s indifferent to the ending of AOT, but actually understand why Eren did the genocide. The line “even after I die… I want her to be hung up on me for a while. Ten years at least.” It sounds so petty and I live for it
I love how eren “became the villian” so that he’s people could be seen as saviors rather than the paradis devils. 💯 Taking the bullet so the they get to experience freedom from discrimination.
I'll always feel pity for Eren.Tragic, like the whole world. Honestly I always hated across the show that the ppl placed so many weight to his shoulder. In this world and especially the aot world the mind crack come easily.I believe that I understand Eren's character and feel honest pity still don't agree with his actions. It's not my mother language so I 'll stop here and don't deep down of the psychology. Btw, if Isayama really listening every detail and outcome Eren's psyche and knowledge of the world simply show that he is a kid in his mind. For example (not mention his "solution" for the problems) he'd like that his ppl just live on and be happy. If I don't mention their trauma and stuff still they'll can't live happy, bc of Eren's action what effect economy and will be terrible outcome to the world. Yeah, it's will regenerate but not their lifetime. I love the ending and don't want another for the anime. Eren's breakdown? Like an 40 years old women, who never see or read manga just this one, I understand and who's don't I think they've try to see it another way.Eren will be dead and he don't wanna die. Plus there the guilty feeling. I think everybody speak from heart on their death bed. He scared like fck. Ok, I still wrestling with Armin's "thanks that you become a murderer for us" line, but it's don't do much with Eren. I cried on the end bc I hate the world this way. Don't matter who and what did the world cruel. And I like that how portrait this Isayama in the manga pages. Good video, I think it was great idea that you separate in two Eren for the better understanding.🙂
OK so u want all the paradis people like even mikasa armin Jean Connie levi to just die?? Ookk go rewrite the story then! That's all left and will happen if eren doesn't do this go do it THAT'S YOUR DESIRED AOT ENDING SO- go do it!; or u got any idea other than this AN IDEA THAT WILL REALLY WORK THEN TELL US! if u got no idea then it means mikasa eren armin Jean Connie levi and all the scouts are also dead in ur ending. Great-
@@yagamilight9902 I don't have to "rewrite" the fanbase did it already just like they wanted the ending. I can accept what the writer,Isayama created. In a large scale what Eren wanted is succeeded for his friends lifetime(if we don't see the damages what I mentioned). But then...nothing changed. What was His goal it achieved.Great. His ppl lived.But that's it. Happiness is nowhere near.I wrote down everything already in my comments of my thoughts. And I'll don't arguing someone who's so blind under Yagami's name that shouting at me with capital letters just bc couldn't agree with me. It's okay.But those sentences like "so you want Mikasa,Jean,Connie,Levi to just die??? THAT'S YOUR DESIRED AOT ENDING so do it,rewrite!"Oh man it's...wow.You scared me.😧
@@agnesszajko8600 YA FELT THEM UH??💀🤣🤣😭🙂 then eren felt it too- the answer is only live or die, choose one. And he chosen the best option for his goal. Yes.. U dont have to write thousands of 50 / 50 thoughts like u did. Live or die. Fight if u want them to live or u just literally rewrote the story on ur mind as paradis alliance death. 🤷♀️ AGAIN ! Live or die Choose one;; that's the AOT world. that's all-
Is just amazing how after Isayama explicitly told us this story was about overcoming the cycle of hatred, that v1olence doesn’t solve things and g3nocide is the most horrible form of it, a lot of people still believe that it can be justified and is the right way to end this story. Eren is my number one, my favorite since 2013 and as much as I love him I can’t sympathize with his actions ‘cause I understand he got corrupted by his own dream and ideals. That’s why I also feel bad for him. Truly, great video ❤️
Like quite literally, the whole rumbling n Eren in the last chapter was just to show that delving into the cycle of hatred even more instead of talking things out is never good but ye ppl choose to ignore that for some reason. Preciate it
TBH I thought the ending made him a buffoon. He poisoned his own people's military, killed most of their best leaders, destroyed the walls and titans powers giving them an advantage. Then committed genocide on the entire world, even the countries considering alliances with paradis. All while knowing he'd lose in the end. Of course the island was wiped out later. Its like he picked the option where the most suffering occurred for both sides.
To this day, objectively speaking, Eren Jaeger remains as the single greatest protagonist in the last decade. One of the best of ALL time, truly. Especially how Isayama concluded his character during 139's Armin's question as to why he did the Rumbling. The way it loops back to every single moment of his "freedom" is masterclass and flawless writing.
you know what's also amazing to me? Eren tried to escape the "fate" that was written for him. He tried to break out of doing what was coming and he tried to talk to Mikasa (or at least get an answer from her that would prevent him from doing what he did to the world). Had Mikasa been straight up with Eren about her feelings in that one scene I really like to think that Eren would 100% given up on that goal and probably stayed. I think he was looking for a way out. But everything just seemed to align, everything happened how it happened and now he's on the path to destroy the world. What I don't think people also understand is that his love for every single one of his friends is so deep that he was willing to destroy the world in order to give them freedom and willing to give them proper lives. But that's not all! Eren also in doing so wanted to get rid of the curse of Ymir (which he did!). He set her free, and set the world free from titans, he set the future inheritors free from death, he set Armin free from death, he saved his people of Paradis, but most importantly he SAVED his friends. That's what this whole thing is about and that's what people miss, he did it for all these reasons, while he himself being a slave. The emotional and psychological trauma but the fucking resolve it must have taken to do that is unreal. I am currently in an ethics class as part of my school's dentistry program and there was one problem poised to the class: Imagine there was a train speeding your way and the railroad split into two railroads (one to the left and one to the right). On one side of the split there are 10 people tied down to the railroad. On the other side of the split your father and mother are tied down to the railroad. You alone are closest to a lever that would direct the speeding train either one way or the other. What do you do? do you save 10 random people or do you save 2 people (but those being your parents). What is the correct thing to do? What is the wrong thing to do? Is it better to save more people? Is it better to stay loyal and save your parents? THIS is what Eren was faced with and this is a question none of us have an answer to
Becoming a slave to liberate others despite hating being enslaved is of the utmost of tragic things. It's truly sad how he was forced a lot of things on his plate n he was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I don't think he would've given up on his goals nor is it possible since future even sets everything up including his own birth and if eren gives up there's no future him to do anything that fact that he was born alone makes it impossible for eren to stray from his goal
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. An awful lot of people within the Attack on Titan fanbase don't understand anything about the complexity series and its characters and just talk shit about everything.
@@delia8429 He initially didn't do it for that, his main reason that drive him to go this extreme was because he was disappointed of the outside world and wanted to wipe it all, don't say i didn't read the manga when you didn't read 131 and 139, you guys like to say to someone that they didn't read the manga when you yourself didn't read it, you all like to be hypocrites, lmao
@@delia8429 That was not his main motive that made him start the rumbling, he started the rumbling with the goal of trampling the entire world, he LITERALLY said it in 131 way before activating the rumbling and gaining the power of the founder, and he said it again to Armin in 139. Before activating the rumbling he wished to wipe it all away, when he starts the rumbling he changes his final objective because with the power of the founder he could see that he can erradicate the titan curse, but ofc, he allways wanted to do the rumbling. The moment when he kissed Historia's hand, he slowly began to realize that he was a piece of shit worse than Reiner and wanted with all his might to end the world outside Paradis because he was dissapointed.
Expressing his embarrassing thought with is best frnd is completely normal aot based on reality,,,, after all eren is only 19 y0 experiencing future past present at same time so much burden anyone can cry atleast for once before he die ne nevertheless he's just a kid he died in a noble way ensuring peace for his frnds and eradication of all titans ✌🏻dude have u read the manga eren succeeded in goal aot is way more realistic than code geass, no mc can bring peace for eternity! What do u think after lelouch died war never fought btwn countries for eternity? 1st of all eren situation was more critical than lelouch, he's bounded by fixed time where he knows the future but can't change a thing so he have to just keep moving forward and his goal was to eradicate all titans ( which would only possible if Ymir got satisfied - rumbling and Mikasa killing eren Only two ways to satisfy Ymir) and let his friends live peacefully tho peace isn't for eternity , after century or so paradise was bombed as no one can stop war but by that time eren's friends died peacefully 💀 dude 1st understand then argueNo actually it's just a human having a human nature !! He doesn't want to be a mysterious hero or something !!! He's doin things for himself!!! Ending was perfect !! Actually is not a time loop but kinda like a time loop !!! Eren did what he saw in his future memories didn't have a choice ! U may see him as a psychopath but he solve problems that would be faced by future humans !!! He took down all the titans from existance tho killing 80% of people as he wouldn't have a choice!!! By killing the founding titan only u can resolve threat of titans !!! If he could die he would by simply let Armin kill him and became the saviour of humanity!!! But Ymir also decides whether eren will die or not !! Curse of Ymir !!! Ymir wants to move on from king fritz Mikasa inspired Ymir by killing eren!!! That's why Ymir let eren die !!! Offf and much more I can't write!! THESE ARE THE COMMENTS I USE TO ARGUE PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND AOT
Ohhh I got confused as I was reading this comment cuz I thought u mistook my video as calling Eren a simple villain which is clearly not what I meant😭The simple fact is this, Eren’s not a stable person anymore. Justifying his actions is a bad thing. We can understand that at the end of the day, he was a poor guy who was given too much of a burden to handle which is why he made fucked up decisions that u can never justify.
In my opinion i see it more that he was always like this, he has always been the same, what changed was the perspective of the world. For me the key moments that define his character are these 3: - When he says that he has always been this way to Zeke when he asked him why he's doing all this (in chapter 121). - When he tells Reiner that people are the way they are because of their nature. "I think we were born this way" (in chapter 100 ). - And when he tells Ramzi that he was disappointed on the rest of the world and that he WISHED to wipe it all away (in chapter 131). I don't think he should be excused and separted in 2 Erens, he stated himself multiple times that this is what he wanted and that he always have been this way. It's not necessary to take the blame away to his character. And lastly, i think he doesn't deserve empathy since he himself as a human being didn't have enough empathy to not commit genocide on billions of innocent people outside the walls, and less when he deep down knew this wasn't 100% necessary to ensure Paradis future, he did it for himself. For me he has always been someone naturally evil/aggressive, although he has view and appreciate the beauty of life on Armin, Mikasa and his friends as you say in the video, but his obsession with "freedom" didn't let him appreciate it fully. Great video tho, it's an interesting way of seeing Eren's character.
All very reasonable points, fair enough. I agree that his perspective of the world changed and that change came from kissing historia's hand. Now when I separated Eren into 2 Erens, I didn't really mean it quite literally. It was jus a way to indicate how broken his psyche is since Eren has no grip on reality due to the merging of the past, present and future. So the 2 Erens were jus to point out the difference in Eren before he made contact with Historia in which at that point Eren was stable and the Eren after he kissed Historia in which he became deranged and lost touch with the world. I am by no means exempting him from blame as what he did is obv pretty fucked up lmfao but the reason why it may seem like im trying to provide clarity for his actions is because of how he was treated as this simplistic evil character in which the last chapter ruined his character. i'm not necessarily telling people to be empathetic to him but rather to be aware of jus how twisted and tragic Eren really is. I disagree on calling him evil as his morality is rlly more nuanced than him ,jus being evil. Evil would be someone like Johan from Monster however if u view him as an evil person because of his actions that's still understandable as what he did can never be forgiven. Thx for the feedback tho i rlly appreciate it :)
@@Sxshhi Oh, i see now what you mean by 2 Erens, that's really good. And yeah, when i say evil i don't explicitly mean like an evil villain like Johan or someone like the slaver king Fritz, but more like someone psychopathic that can be morally good in the inside but can't control himself in certain occasions and end up hurting a lot of people, i'm not saying that Eren is 100% a psychopath either because there is a lot of factors in the story and it could be more complicated than that. But yeah, he's definitely doing everything by his will, and everything that he's doing is evilish and wrong, so yeah, i end up drawing that conclusion. But either way, Eren's character is quite a complex topic to talk about, you can spend hours and hours talking about it and how deep it is and never get bored, that's why i like this show and Eren's character so much, it's just top tier. And is funny because it's seems to be too complex for those who hate his character now for not being the nationalist fascist that they wanted him to be in the last chapters, the chad Eren that was right and knew it was the only option 😆. It's a pretty good video, you express yourself quite well, keep the good work 👍
@@merciless9110 ah I get what u mean by evil now then. And ye, it frustrates me how ppl had this image of Eren in which he massacred everyone and he was heartless but because it didn’t happen, they call him a bad character. I appreciate that a whole bro thx for that🤞🏽
Ive started to really agree with this perspective. Rewatching the show and seeing Eren through a different lense, i also noticed the following: -Eren wishing "something would happen" when he was a kid right before the walls collapsed. Told me he wasnt satisfied with normal life -The way he killed those kidnappers, super aggressive for a kid -Telling Reiner and Bert that he would kill them in the most painful way possible with a crazy look in his eyes I think Eren really was a bit unhinged from the beginning. I also don't think he's inherently evil either, just his personality and circumstances led him to what he became.
Great comment but I think you have a mistake. Those people are not innocent. Yes, they are not soldiers and don't fight eldians physically, but all of them are supporting the extermination of eldian race and paradise folk. In the show, we didn't see opposition to wiping out eldians. The only thing we can consider an opposition was Zeke Yeager and his supporters(marleyans, eastern folks etc.) but their idea was just doing that in a long way by race euthanization. As we saw in the Anime all the people on mainland are accepting and appreciating the genocide towards eldians. At the end you are saying a man who killed his murderers is evil and cannot be empathized.
Great video. I would like to add some of my thoughts. 9:05 i think when Eren answers "I don't know", he actually means it, and the panel flashes back to when he was born an innocent child, implying that he was like this since birth, and he has 0 idea why and how he is who he is, is it his fate that enslaves him or his will? (
I appreciate that🙏🏽 n ye that’s what I thought too. I think that moment in which he says Idk n then it flashes Grisha sayin ur free Eren just as he was born truly indicates to what degree Eren wasn’t aware of if he was free or not because Grisha must’ve seen how Eren was gonna turn out (due to him being the attack titan holder) n so he alr knew of Eren’s fundamental conflict with freedom which is why he told a baby Eren that he was already free n he didn’t need to worry about anything else. Just like how Carla emphasizes that he doesn’t need to be anything special n that he’s jus special the way he alr is. Truly is a great show fr.
So all the innocent people that weren't with Marley or the other nations all died because Ymir told Eren to kill them? And Eren himself didn't know why?
It’s an anime there’s nothing wrong with rooting for the “villain” of course genocide is wrong but it’s a fictional story and makes for a great watch I’ll never turn on Eren he’s been my favourite since the first episode
There is no use for 'should feel". One have read manga 💯 felt bad, or i have felt bad and it took me 2 days of depression thinking Mikasa had to kill her beloved Eren.
To me, the only one responsible for everything that happened was Ymir, she too had complete control of past present and future, to an even bigger extent than Eren, and I believe she manipulated everyone to manufacture a situation where she could metaphorically take revenge on the old king Fritz through Mikasa killing Eren When Eren rushed to Ymir and "freed" her from her obsession with doing everything the royals asked of her, Eren immediatly realized something was wrong and asked if she planned this out before obtaining full access to the founding titan and becoming the representation of all the evil King Fritz wanted Ymir to do In the end theres not a single version of Eren that had freewill, not "Founding Eren" and even less the "Present Eren", since the first was manipulated by Ymir to become a Super Villain so he can "free" her and then become her sacrifical lamb so she can have a self inflicted theraphy sesion, and the latter was manipulated by the first This is a story of how an inmortal timeless deity became a slave of her own choosing, became traumatized by her bad choice and then forced millions and millions of people to become her slaves so she can show herself that she can infact be free and happy if she chooses to be, and that's when she changes her own past by letting Fritz die I feel pity because Eren had to carry the sins of Ymir, Killing 80% of the planet and Letting himself Die, so that She can be happy.
I totally agree. 139's biggest sin wasn't the "No, I don't want that!" scene, but how it essentially made Ymir the villain. She waited 2,000 years to get rid of Titan powers, and did it by ruining Eren and Mikasa's lives and massacring 80% of the planet.
Great video! Although I disagree with some points you made, I really like what you said about Armin. He was always able to find happiness even when he was restricted behind the walls. Just reading the book of the outside world made him happy, where as for Eren it only fueled his inner rage and drive for “freedom”. In reality this was Eren’s cage. I love the contrast in chapter 131 of child Eren with adult Armin in paths. Armin is able to accept life for what it is and has grown and matured because of it, meanwhile Eren is still trapped as child, desperately fighting for his true freedom. It’s Eren’s own nature that makes him the least free.
Though I'm confused about one thing, wont history just repeat itself since at the very end we see what happens to Eldia in the future, couldn't "Founding Eren" not see what was to fall upon the Eldian empire? If so then what was his actual end goal?
I guess Founding Eren was all about the scenery! Just like in the Rick and Morty episode when Morty gets the death crystal and murders people so he can get to the future where he dies with his crush.
next video should be titled "Why you SHOULDN'T tell people how to feel about a character objectively worse than hitler" erens my favorite character and this is a decent video but that title is something else man
Eren was not evil the situation was not in control. If Eren didn't do rumbling then the world would attack again in eldia no doubt. Eren wait 4 years he didn't wented to do rumbling. But there was no other choice But he still waited 4 years His character was always legit Killing bad person is not sign of evil He killed 2 guy when he was 9 He always wanted freedom And his mom eaten by Titan. all his friend die. That's why he always cry 😢 but some shit people say Eren cry baby Levi best Levi badass. All unfair thing happened with Eren but he still wanted to stop rumbling And now day's people say Eren worst He kill innocent people. Without understanding story and the character of Eren . If you was in place of Eren you would start rumbling as fast as possible to take revenge But Eren waited 4 years But no other choice In the end he Sacrifice himself For eldia and his friend But people still say Eren is evil 🥺
To understand Eren, we have to understand Darth Vader. For example: When Eren was freed from the Walls, he ended up becoming a slave by his desires for more freedom and the deaths of everyone in Marley. And when Anakin Skywalker was freed from Watto, he ended up becoming a slave again when he dedicated his commitment to the Jedi Order. So when Anakin saw the vision of his wife dying in childbirth, he began his quest to obtain the power to save her life, corrupting himself in the process. And when Eren Yeager saw the vision of the Rumbling, he believed that it could be the only thing that he can use to secure his own freedom and protect his friends from being killed or enslaved by Marley. One more thing, I got this video to you from Geetsly's channel to show that Anakin and Eren are basically the same. Here is the link to the video: th-cam.com/video/B8MY5dgoT9U/w-d-xo.html
Ima keep it a buck bro I have yet to dive into the Star Wars saga. I’ll def will check out the video when I get into Star Wars, which could be very soon
@@Sxshhi I also have the other one here. I just discovered it. However, this video said that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are not the same person: th-cam.com/video/1MKuWb9KeRI/w-d-xo.html So which video is correct about Darth Vader between Geetsly's and Star Wars Theory? I do not know. But I believe that both can be correct. And if that's the case, it will also go to show how much of the Sith Lord that Eren Yeager really is.
@@Sxshhi Hope to see you do comparison between Eren Yeager and Darth Vader soon! Also, I found this fanmade video a while ago. And it's really suited Darth Vader because of the edition that will make you think of Eren Yeager himself. Here is the link: th-cam.com/video/mrSC-6WfGxE/w-d-xo.html
I believe one way founding eren convinced present eren was that he showed him the possibility of Marley and eldia making peace after his death and justifying the deaths of all those people by stating that he would be responsible for the freedom of all those who come after.
this is soo goood. the conclusion is Eren force himself into the cycle, not the reality into cycle. Eren wants the future to get better after his death.
Alright something I should point out: Eren only became the founder because he pushed himself to there in spite of all the guilt. His desire for freedom doesn't come from being the founder. He just had it for as long as he could remember
@@olafinsky ikr im really disappointed in the ending I wish it was the original ending it would have been really unique where everyone was supposed to die
@@shoukosvision5847 i agree with you there pal, but i don't think 139 makes eren the best character in aot anymore, unless mappa can pull an aoe out of their ass or something lol
Bro your explanation is on point... I understand eren's feeling hence I was always on his side.. Also your content is underrated and you truly deserve more...
I already commented this post in several videos, but I will comment it again anyway: This what I think when Eren says *"When I learned that humanity lived beyond the walls, I was so disappointed."* I saw a lot of people trying to interpret the line as "Eren is disappointed because he saw the same oppression outside the walls as he saw in Paradis" or "he saw the same cycle of hatred/violence" or "he found that good/bad people exist outside the walls". And while those interpretations may not be invalid, I personally feel that the real meaning is much more straightforward than that. And I also feel that the same people considered this interpretation but willingly ignored it because of how it affects their perception of Eren. Firstly, I want to talk about a portion of the line that needs more attention, which is *"When I learned that humanity lived beyond the walls".* The key word here is "When". WHEN exactly did Eren learn that humanity lived outside the walls? When did his perception, that the people inside the wall were the last remenants of humanity, shatter? The answer is when Eren read Grisha's note on the back of the photograph, which says that humanity hasn't perished. The note didn't say anything about Eldia/Marley, or about oppression, or how that there are good/bad people outside the walls. The note simply says that humans exist outside the walls. And Eren learned this in the BASEMENT, NOT in his prison cell where he accessed Grisha's memories (or read the 3 books Grisha left behind), NOT at the sea where he was unsatisfied with the sight, and NOT in Marley where he realised that good/bad people exist. Next, if we looked at the context of the scene, Eren was confessing to Ramzi alone while crying. Eren crying means that he is expressing his true feelings and thoughts. Because Ramzi cannot understand the Eldian language, Eren can freely express his true thoughts without reprimandation. And when saying your true thoughts, *YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING CRYPTIC.* You say your true thoughts as you mean it. So when Eren says "When I learned that humanity lived beyond the walls, I was so disappointed", I think he was saying it as he literally means it. That he was simply disappointed because other people exist outside the walls. That these people had the AUDACITY to exist in the first place. That these people ruined his fantasy of an empty landscape beyond the walls where NO HUMANS exist and lands yet to be explored. Eren was so disappointed that he decided to trample the outside world to recreate the fantasy that he imagined as a child. The fantasy based on what Eren saw in Armin's book of the outside world. So even if the outside world was not hostile towards Paradis, Eren would have still wanted to destroy it. Of course, Eren did not enjoy killing millions people outside the walls, after all wasn't that why he cried in front of Ramzi? But Eren simply refused to let go off his idyllic fantasy. Now if all of that sounds childish and petty, that is because IT IS. It was why Eren was depicted as a literal CHILD in chapter 131. When child Eren said "Freedom", he was shown to be above the clouds and smoke where he cannot see the destruction below him. The destruction that Eren himself was causing. He only sees the vast, never-ending land to freely roam around. I think that's the "freedom" Eren wants. The "freedom" to do anything without taking responsibility, a child's view of "freedom". But that's just my own interpretation and I could maybe be wrong. What do you guys think?
The only reason people do not sympathise with Eren is that they never really realise through all the manipulation and action that Eren was always what he said he was way in Season 1, he is human. Eren is also only 19, barely an adult. He is not some god, he is just a human and has his own flaws. Everyone wants a partner, everyone wants to live, and everyone wants to protect the country they were born in. Everyone wants to protect their pride, they do not want to be shamed. Eren was just dealt the worst cards ever by himself. And if anyone else was Eren, they would do the same thing. Founding Eren dictates what happens to his own fate, but that also made him a slave to himself, not the most free person in the world.
Let me see... "The real issue I took with the shitstorm surrounding the ending was how people acted like Eren's breakdown was out of nowhere and his character was ruined, because they kept seeing him as this stoic, swave, evil mastermind playing 4D chess on everyone, above showing any human emotion." Then your response: "Exactly bro. Anybody who thought of Eren as this unbreakable, unfeeling machine who didn’t care about anything severely misunderstood his character. The last chapter humanizing him is meant to show just how wrong he was for activating the rumbling and if ppl believe Isayama humanizing Eren ruined his character, then they must also believe that the rumbling was justified which in no way in hell can u justify the rumbling." That is laughable, did you take that out a textbook "Ending Defender" starter pack? Yeah, that's all I needed to know before I even wasted a second on the video. Every ending hater I know already understood that Eren had emotions. Chapter 131 when he cried to Ramzi, nobody bitched about Eren having emotions then, so I have no clue why Ending Defenders keep bringing this up like it's some 'GOTCHA' moment. It's that of all the things he would be crying about, it was about Mikasa of all people? What about the fact he butchered 80% of the global population? Why not make him breakdown at the thought that he had to kill his own mother? That would be an understandable reason for a breakdown. But Mikasa? The girl who had a pathetically one-sided romance? He barely gave her any attention. He had more chemistry with every other character in the manga! I don't even consider their relationship as tragic, they had four entire years to hook up, but Eren chose not to. The Rumbling was justified. The entire world declared war first and were about to bomb the living shit out of Paradis Island. Why are we supposed to root for this outside world when all Isayama gave us were racist, pieces of shit who were crying tears of joy (chapter 100) at the thought of destroying Paradis? The Eldians in Marley were lucky, it's canon they were actually treated better compared to the Eldians around the world! The Extra Pages in Volume 34 showed that Paradis was carpet bombed. Are you going to say that this was due to Civil War and not because of the 20% who were left alive by Eren? I cannot wait for the finale to release. Anime-onlies are going to find Eren's sudden shift jarring and out of character. Then what are you people going to say? Are you going to say Anime-Onlies misunderstood the ending? That they lack the comprehension to even fathom the 'character' of Eren? Don't worry, I'm sure they won't bend over backwards as hard than you guys.
Mostly I agree with you I'm that person who is 100% neutral to the ending, I've never defended it or criticised it but the dialogue between Eren and Armin really confused me I'm ok with Eren crying but the reason should be either him having to kill his mother OR not being able to gain freedom which he had always wanted or both Also if Eren said he wanted Armin to be seen a hero, he should have erased the yeagerists' memories. Otherwise, it seemed like irrelevant words made up my Eren(Isayama) during the conversation I still think that there's no right in AOT and I've never sided with anyone but I used to think that Eren was wrong. It was a year ago Then, I found myself in Eren's shoes. Without any details, my country is also hated abroad and so on. And, yk, it really hurts, like a lot. Only then I finally understood Eren and his methods. But I'm totally fine with people defending or criticising the ending. Everyone has the right to have their own opinion, people tend to think differently. The only thing I hate is when ending defenders or haters criticize each other and call each other names just because they don't share the same opinion
An excellent analysis! Thank you. Very eye-opening. I felt the same about Eren upon finishing the manga, but hadn't considered the Founding Titan's influence beneath it all.
Without experience one can't change anything, so fixing mass murder of his kind, he had to experience that mass murder. Eren knew that, the founding Eren knew that. If Eren didn't get kruegar to do things, Eren wouldn't be born, there are so many things that would have destroyed Eren's plan, or Eren himself if founding Eren didn't influence to make the things that he knew that happened, happen. I bet Eren was so shook once he realized he was responsible for everything. He could have gotten everything he ever wanted back with his power, but he knew those small gains, that he would gain for himself, wouldn't help him gain the things he wanted to gain the entire series. Most people say Eren is evil, but wouldn't an evil person be searching for their "perfect world" not a perfect world for those around him. Making a world perfect for others would be considered a hero, and someone who does that with morally ambiguous actions is an antihero. Therefore Eren is the best. Sacrificing his entire being in order to give his friends s life.
This was truly a great watch. I always thought that chapter 139 was a good ending, maybe a bit rushed - I’d have loved a few more panels so that the ending would feel more fleshed out. But it always hurt me how people seemed to not understand Eren at all. Which is due to the fact that he’s just so extensive. When I learned that „Shingeki no Kyojin“ can have multiple meanings and that one of the plot twists was the actual title being „The attack titan“ and NOT „attack on titan“ , it just clicked. Because Eren is not only the protagonist (that’s the view I had on him pre-plottwist wise)- he IS the story (the view after we learn the true powers of the Attack Titan, especially in combination with the Founding). Everything can be traced back to him (or as you said to „founding Eren“) which made him seem more like a concept than a human being. I guess that’s why a lot of the fandom was so shocked when Isayama reminded us that at the end of the day, Eren was also a human. Trapped within the concept („Founding Eren“) is the true Eren, deeply wanting but not being able to escape the fate that Founding Eren created for the whole world. I just think it’s genius
I just hate one thing in the ending. Eren was able to control past pure titans (Dina). So, that means Eren caused every titan related death in history. Remember Mina and Thomas back in season 1, Yeah Eren was the one who killed them, because he needed that to happen. Butterfly effect or something. Isayama making the founding titan too OP was a big mistake. Its not far fetched to say that Eren was the one who let out the pigs. Or sine he can has the ability to control and affect the actions of all Subjects of Ymir in history, then he could be the one controlling King Fritz and dictating his choices. No founding titan in history was that OP, so why does Eren all of a sudden have this unique power. He's basically omniscient/omnipotent. Being so OP gave Eren the ability to complete the entire Rumbling, end the titan curse, and save his friends all at once. However, he did neither.
U acc brought up interesting points that could explain ur question if u look at it from a thematic standpoint. Eren being the one to fully use the founding titan powers the most makes sense if u think about who are the holders of the founding titan ability. We have 3 (I think) confirmed founding titan holders; Ymir, the Reiss family n Eren himself. Now we gotta look at the fundamentals of the founding titan ability. It’s essentially the ability to transcend life n time. Such a godlike power that he or she who chooses to act upon it will be so OP. Keywords being “chooses to act”. Ymir never had the will to fully use the founding titan power cuz she was a shy, Stockholm syndrome having child who was afraid to be independent n make her own decisions so she waited what must’ve felt millennia for someone to come liberate her. Then we got the Reiss family whom we know that even if they wanted to use the founding titan ability to help save mankind, the vow of renouncing war prevents them from having their own will anymore. It’s like their puppets guided by a weak soul who’s to afraid to move forward. In comes Eren. The man with the strongest will in all of AOT. The reason y he’s the one who’s able to fully utilize the founding titan ability n make it LOOK OP is cuz he’s the one with the will. If Ymir or the Reiss family truly had their own will, it would’ve been jus as OP in their hands but cuz they’re too afraid or their own will being literally rewired, it seems like they couldn’t utilize its full potential. The founding titan ability is clearly an ability that rewards its users with godlike powers If they wanna be a godlike figure which who in all of AOT possesses the desire n will to be a very strong n special figurehead? Eren. Eren being the only able to use the founding titan ability to its fullest potential falls in line with the thematic narrative of needing a dominant will so that the vow of renouncing war doesn’t affect u n what better of a character in this verse would be least likely to be affected by the enslavement of the founding titan? Eren Yeager. Now u may not like what he did with the power as that’s jus a moral debate but I think it serves to prove the thematic utility of the founding ability n Eren’s deluded psyche even more. Only a god can truly tap into the founding titan ability as Rod Reiss hints n Eren was deluded enough to think he was a god.
@@Sxshhi when u mentioned that eren is the man with strongest will..I just got remembered of the earlier episode where they introduced eren with his name and abilities and then said that he has the most will and that he's a motivated one.......
@@Sxshhi eren didn't think of himself as a god mann..... And path founding eren doing all of these to our present eren.. my question is that founding eren still alive? I mean he's doing this while knowing everything and because he wants freedom so badly right? So letting the eren dies what did the founding eren achieved? I mean where is he now? What did he really wanted? Freedom or just to die or what cause he knew everything tho but still led it all happen this way and still said that he wanted freedom. Where is he now?.. And also.. u mentioned that grounded panel eren is the eren that got released from the founding eren, but bro still those memories were from the chapter where armin was on ship but just forgotten. So eren was still there in the rumbling.. so how did he got released by founding eren there if the rumbling still continues? I mean... even eren didn't want to stop right Bruhhh idk mannn my brain all over the place...now I'm literally repeating the same words as eren did in the last chapter aren't i- ... bish I understand him tho.....idk...arghh
This is my enterpretation of it: Since Eren saw memories of the past and his future when he kissed Historias hand, he now knows what is going to happen and that is what helped make him so reserved. He only saw memories that were shared by his future self though so not everything. But imagine knowing that no matter what you do your going to have to kill all these people. Grisha like Eren all ready knew what future Eren would do. I honestly feel terrible for the fact that he was stuck in a literal time loop and took the pain in order to save his friends.
I mean he has the memories, thoughts, and ideals, of roughly 165 founders before him swimming around in his head. Not to mention all the attack titans. I assume while in control of the founder he was sending back memories to 2000 years worth of attack titan users to manipulate his will also.
I read this comment blaming Ymir since she was at fault even more than eren.It made me think a better ending would be if eren realized before he did the rumbling that his idea was wrong and that ymir could have stopped this all and eren rips her to shreds and after just lives his life with his friends and maybe a cure is found so he doesnt die.
i always thought the panel where he talks about mikasa was good, because we finally see a crack of his previous, headstrong younger self, which is nostalgic at this point as well as heart breaking
Very good video my guy, subbed. I pity Eren heavily, the burden he carries must be unbearable. I don't agree with everything he does but in the end I feel so bad for him, he wanted to badly to change the outcomes but he just knew that he could not. He knew it all.
For me I think it’s more of he seen that regardless of peace could have been achieved, they would always be a threat to his home, and then his friends, he wasn’t willing to ride upon hope of future generations not suffering the same fate he has been given and make a better world, he wasn’t willing to see his friends be killed and given a short span to live like he did, and of course he wasn’t willing to even think about risking his home, so he saw what was the most guaranteed way his home will live for eternity, than took it, even if he really didn’t want to, it’s not a matter of manipulation in my eyes more so he weighed his options and saw no other outcome, than used that outcome to make himself beleive it’s true freedom because there would be nobody anymore who could take his or his peoples freedoms, for him it was never about saving his home it was about ending the threats to eldia for good
Good vid, made me cry again 😭 But I like it how you made it a little easier for me to understand this past-present-future dilemma cause I didn't understand it so well until now, I guess that's bc it's so weird. And I see ppl here say ab their opinion on the Rumbling so Imma say mine : I don't disagree fully to the Jaegerists' cause, probably bc I was more attached to the island than to the rest of the world, though I am more in the Alliance's side, bc so many fav characters are in this side and bc I think it's more of the right choice. As for Eren, I never really viewed him as Evil or anything, I think I was able to understand that he was a little crazy and that It was smth linked with the past-present-future thingy. Anyway, I think the story went out well, the rumbling did happen, Eren died, but maybe it's better this way ; Mikasa and Armin are sad ab their friend's death (for Mikasa more of her crush/lover ig) but they are alive and living well, as well as for Jean, Connie, Levi, Annie, Pieck, Gabi, Falco. I wish that Mikasa and Eren could've lived together happily but the ending is more interesting this way.
my issue wasn't that eren cried his emotions are the essence of his character in fact the times when he cried and became emotional were the best and hit the hardest my issue is that he cried about wanting mikasa to find another man while people are gonna try to excuse this let's take a look to tye show the First time eren was about to die was when he was swallowed by a titan in that moment he didn't know he had titan powers so if he was a regular human he would have died right there and then when he cried he didn't cry because he didn't want mikasa to find another man he cried because of how crule tge world really is and because he remembered his mother during that moment not mikasa another time when he was supposed to die was in the reiss cave he was supposed to be eaten by historia then when he cried he cried because of the thousands that died because he had a power he didn't deserve (ie the founder) another time when he cried was the infamous 131 ramzi scene he cried not for mikasa but because he knew that he would commit atrocities that are unforgivable killing millions of men women and children and wild life all of those moments when eren showed emotions and cried were a vital esscence for building his character but then we come to last point he cried in which was ch139 and does he cry for the millions he is currently killing is he crying cuz he got sasha and potentially many killed for. him no he cried because he didn't want mikasa to find another man which was stupid as fuck
oh and eren wasn't free not because he tells himself that but because he really isn't all of his life he was stuck behind concrete walls that dictate the way he is supposed to live and he didn't want that and his desire for freedom is understandable armin for me represents a child that thinks everry thing can be solved by talking to people he even said it that we should try to talk with the marlyans the people that want them dead but eren won't sit and accept that his is dictated by marley and the world
@@jojomahmoud5752 But see this is the point of AOT. We humans are incredibly limited in all kinds of things, including freedom. the average human cannot afford to play god like Eren did and wipe out 80% of humanity. All we can do is try to find the best humane possible solution to our problem n jus accept things the way they are while finding happiness in our "birdcage". That was ultimately the lesson Eren was supposed to learn n that is the whole point of Armin's character.
@@Sxshhi but it's still a bird cage that was the point of eren's character he wants true freedom freedom from his enemies freedom to be him and freedom for his people without discrimination against them for the fact that they are decendandts of ymir armin is the kind of guy that enjoys the moment but not eren eren doesn't rest until he has freedom that's what's facinating about his character he was always like this since birth
I want to be honest. If I was from paradise island I definitely would be on Eren's side. 100%! It is cruel and definitely not the right thing to do but it's best thing I could do for myself.
I do indeed feel bad for Eren, him and the other Shifters, Soldiers, particularly military and political leaders. By far the most insane, desperate, and devastating Conflict Humanity and Eldian Kind could ever have imagined. 4:25 Tbh, Present and Founding Eren are still the same person. One has more knowledge and experience than the other but it's Eren doing this to himself. It's not 2 seperate people, it's all Eren Yeager in the end, so... 5:48 Um... YES, actually. He could stop, but that doesn't agree with his ideology at all. Present Eren wants to be free as much as Founding Eren, that much is still ultimately true.
But the thing about this is that the anime might be different there's this one theory that I saw was that there's alternate dimensions and there's a theory that one of them Aaron creates a thing like the Warhammer Titan did when she transformed he put her body in a Crystal Underground while her Titan was above ground there's a theory that that happens
I’d say he’s still the same as that little kid who used to get wood for the family n insist on being a scout. Only thing that changed was his perspective on reality, but his take on reality never changed.
I bet that kid version that had that freedom Panel was like he was on heroin but knowing what he was doing was just terrible so he reverted to his child like mind and then when he was grounded was like his come down hence why he said he wanted to do it and would’ve kept doing it even if he knew armin wouldn’t stop him…kinda sad but his drug was freedom and it killed him
it's kind of hard to feel bad for him when he set up all the events that caused him to feel emotional pain. if anything Levi is the one who never deserved to suffer since childhood because he never wanted it. but I still feel bad for the fact that he had to believe that it was the only way to save his friends.
Best definition of him is “tragically evil”. I just really couldn’t tolerate genocidal “solution” to protect Paradis. It was really going too far, and I don’t understand how he, seeing what he could have done with the rumbling, didn’t even try to change up humanity’s destiny. It was painful, because, even if it’s comprehensible, I could really not play along with how the character really couldn’t mature. I understood everything you said in the video, but I don’t believe we need stories about how “destiny” is fixed, this finale was a shame.
This made me accept the reason as to why Eren did that. Because many explanations had come out. One Eren being pre-determined by fate that he has no will and the other one Eren being inherently evil because he is a sociopath which made me even more confused. Like what is the real ending here? Until you post this video. If anything, I would accept your explanation more. It really justified every choice Eren made. Making this whole anime not a question of who's right and wrong but more of what really happened. And that is really being enslaved to his own will.
To this day, i still dont know if there truly was no choice besides the rumbling. I'll have to revisit the story to see if there was any possible scenarios besides the rumbling.
@@Sxshhi things had to happen that way.. otherwise it won't happen like this... he won't go this far if it all didn't happen this way.. I've been thinking like if he could kill that parasite so it all ends.. But.. its risky cuz we can't believe in world too.. they will still might come to kill eldians.. while eldians got nothing to defend themselves.. so it's risky.. in aot 50/50 thoughts not gonna work. Live or die... if he doesn't do that they will literally die.. btw it was always the quote of aot...yall know.. And talk no jutsu not gonna work man.. They already have been warned before not to attack on paradis or get killed by millions of collosal titans.. And eren been through all of this and he literally can't forgive them bruhw.. he just can't.. if we think about it practically, he can't.. it will be the same for us..if we were in that situation. Remember eren literally reminded of that to reiner in season 4 and also to us at the same time. The story is so psychological that make us think of these things deeply to understand our inner reality... Just so amazing..
@@MrMetaVal ikr... maybe eren has been through many timelines and tried all but still couldn't, he might have seen them through memories somehow?.. so he literally understood that there's no other choice and went with rumbling.. And I also think that he kinda wanted to do it ... their world is unforgivable so... you know his personality..so just..hm..
Definitely subbed very good analysis on the Eren hate and manga ending I really feel like it makes sense if you look at it at a deeper level but people didn't get what they exactly wanted or expected but it was definitely an ending that made sense. Eren was a normal human cursed with an amazing power that no human could really comprehend or live with long term. To experience everything at once and be manipulated by yourself to the extent he was I truly felt like it all made sense
Erens a great character and i truly sympathize with him , but i also cant say hes doing something wrong since i know what happens and whats gonna happen in the future (manga) but i still think he could have ended the line of titans without massacring 80 percent i honestly think the writting slipped up the ending really fucks up characters . All i hope is the anime should do an anime only ending that could truly save erens character
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." "You will always be the protagonist, but you will not always be the hero."
Great content thank you. But after reading the final chapter I can’t help but thinking that Eren was a slave to Ymir rather than freedom I mean Ymir wanted to see if someone can kill someone whom they are in love with in order to save humanity, therefore freeing herself from obeying king Fritz’s last order. That’s just my opinion.
I think the biggest thing is the protection of his people and friends … I feel like if eren is as able to just die and save everyone it would’ve happen . His actions are backed by , “ if I don’t do this my people will die “ not just the wanting of “freedom”
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i did feel bad for him since the day he saw the memories, imagine living in peace wanting to be with someone you love and your friends but your entire family and race is being erased cuz of their ancestors and you have to carry all that burden and power to achieve the dream of letting others live their life while you dont, bro sacrificed the world for his friends and didnt get to live the life he wanted with mikasa PLUS he was only 19 years old, bro was just an emotional ass kid that lived a tragic life
Totally agree!👏
Indeed
well put. if you read the lyrics of the final season ending then it'll make sense. hell even the op has some lyrics that can confirm what goes through eren's mind like "all i wanted was to save your life i never wanted to hold the knife" i'm paraphrasing but something akin to that lyric is in the final season op.
and some people dont like rhe ending cause eren died bro wtf let eren rest cause he suffered enough
he carry the whole pain
he carry the whole curse
he didnt cry when meat girl died caujse he already forsesaw it but. he still iwant to change it
thats why eren becoming bird roaming the sky was the freeiest eren could be
"bro sacrifice the world *and himself* "
Eren know he didn't have much time left, so he at least try to create a freedom for Paradise Island and his friends.
Yes I know after all he did, his goal goes unfulfilled in the end. But it's like real life, isn't it
support eren’s actions❌
understand eren’s reasons✅
My dude had no other option he was fated to do so bruh
@@datboi3795 i know that already, why u saying that to me?
The best take
Eren didn't change. It was our perception of him that changed.
Like everyone we were put in the shoes of the people around him. But then in the end we see the real eren
@@ufgbkgchehshid8115 Exactly
Amen
Yes, just is pov changed so his action changed. His character become more mature, stoic and focused on what have been done. He decided his own fate cause he was in the dilemma of kill or getting killed( Darwinism). The first sentence in the first opening is :" Sind wir das Essen? Nein wir sind die Jäger/ Yaeger!" That means:" Are we the food? No we are the hunter!" He is along with Guts one of the most tragical characters ever written.
@DigitalAlpha That were his inner feelings you could see instead of his stoic facade. That shows he is just a human. That made the ending realistic..
I'm not a Jaegerist. I'm not on Marleyan's or Eldian's side. I'm also not completely on Survey Corp's side. But I'm absolutely on Eren's side. My top 3 characters are Eren, Jean and Reiner. Honorable mention to Erwin and Levi. Try reading the lyrics of Name of Love by Cinema Staff. The outro for season 3.
Love that song i used to be addicted to it😭
I'm the same as you. I'm just on the side of tragic well written characters which is why my top 3 are Eren, Erwin and Grisha
We're the same. If Attack on Titan has taught us anything, is that siding with anyone with "big ideals" is useless (and with that I mean the Survey Corps, the Yeagerists, the Eldians and the Marleyans). I personally empathize with the characters as "people", and in my opinion it makes a lot of sense, judging by the message the ending carries. My top 5 are Erwin, Eren, Reiner, Levi and Zeke, also Bertholdt has a special place.
My top three are Eren, Reiner and Armin. Armin might be a 'controversial' one considering people don't like his flawed decisions and inactions in Season 4, but that's exactly why I like Armin. I think Armin serves as an important narrative device to Isayama's own perspective into wars and violence, that there is more to living than being stuck in that treacherous cycle.
Armin has always been someone who's rather disinterested in fighting; he just wants to discover the world and get to know what and who are in them. He clings on to the hope that there is peace, even if it's so naive and futile in a cruel world like AOT. And he is a reminder to us viewers that we are sort of hypocrites if we believe that we can do good without getting our hands dirty in the midst of wars and violence (shoutout to Bertholdt for that important line). To me, Armin's flaws are a reflection of how someone who wants to do good and keep their hands as clean as possible probably won't survive a cruel world without someone else paying the price. That in the end, you have to let go of those ideals in order to do what's necessary (something that Eren has fully embraced once Season 4 began).
And despite all that, despite all the cruelty he has seen, Armin still sees the good in people. He has never been consumed by revenge nor rage like Eren (even Eren acknowledges Armin's necessary qualities to the world, when he said in Season 3 Part 2, "the one who will save humanity is not me nor Commander Erwin, it's Armin!"). To me, Armin symbolises the breakage of the cycle of revenge, because to forgive takes something deeper, more sincere than anything vengeance can ever bring.
@@daniaaal Well I do agree to a certain extent but I think Armin is a character that you want before or after war not during war. The reason why I didn't put him in my top 3 is because his choices don''t hold as much responsabilities as the one I cited above. He's still a good character and was necessary.
Now on the other hand I don't agree that Eren was consumed by rage and revenge in the last season, it's the contrary. He was the most calm and collect individual but used his past rage to fueled his determination to keep moving forward. He understood his enemy and even had empathy and guilt for them mainly for what he's about to do but he had a choice to make.
The hardest choices require the strongest will and unfortunately for the world, he had the srongest will. He didn't blame others for his fate or choices, neither victimized himself anymore, which a lot of peoples tends to do. Pushing responsabilities and blame into others. Eren and Erwin shouldered everything and that's why they are my favorites characters.
I mean whether or not Eren deserves sympathy is more one of those philosophical questions to ponder since there's no easy answer, although this was a good take. The real issue I took with the shitstorm surrounding the ending was how people acted like Eren's breakdown was out of nowhere and his character was ruined, because they kept seeing him as this stoic, swave, evil mastermind playing 4D chess on everyone, above showing any human emotion.
And with that I'd like to reference anytime he shifted into his Attack Titan, or the moments before he fully activated the Founder, or when Eren broke down infront of Ramses despite his plan already being in motion.
Exactly bro. Anybody who thought of Eren as this unbreakable, unfeeling machine who didn’t care about anything severely misunderstood his character. The last chapter humanizing him is meant to show just how wrong he was for activating the rumbling and if ppl believe Isayama humanizing Eren ruined his character, then they must also believe that the rumbling was justified which in no way in hell can u justify the rumbling.
@@Sxshhi Considering that their idea of a "fixed" ending is Eren winning, the alliance joining a suicide pact, and Eren returning to Paradis with a baby he had with Historia... yeah I think they supported the Rumbling.
Those who called eren like that was actually stupid idiots who joined to watch aot by season 4-
@@Sxshhi rumbling can't be justified but still there's no choices.
@@yagamilight9902 That's what made the entirety of the AOT world such a gray world. They've gone past the line of no return during their cycle of hatred n they've gotten to the point where no one knows what could have been the better decision.
I feel like eren jeager is so misunderstood and the biggest reason is that it was prophecy, he saw the future and he couldn’t change it no matter what he did, Kenny ackerman said that everyone’s a slave to something, eren is a slave to freedom. Eren is the person in the show about wanting to be free the most but he’s tied to a predetermined fate in the hands of Ymir the founder, so he was never free because In the end he is bound to his predetermined destiny to unleash the rumbling. People always say eren is evil and stuff like that when he’s not even the villain, he’s just fulfilling the predetermined destiny that is bound to happen. Eren is one of the best if not the best written character in any media ever and I can’t even explain to you why but he just is, his character development as well is awesome, he went from his world view being black and white and thinking all titans are bad all humans are good until he discovered he was a titan himself and humans were once titans, then went to Marley and discovered that it’s just like paradis, good and bad people on both sides. The dawn of humanity episode is such a great episode because in the beginning when eren first reached marley and everyone was eating ice cream and he had a blank yet worried impression on his face it was one of two things for me, either he was watching the rumbling unfold or he was contemplating it. But me personally I’ve always been on erens side even during the rumbling because of all the f’ed up stuff he had to endure.
How is he the best character ever? Have you seen Breaking Bad? Sopranos? Berserk? Evangelion?
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a great purpose driven character but def not the best lol you havnt watch enough shows
@@sprawlz6466 there's this thing called opinion, try searching it up
@@cuneyt3830 you do realize that there's something called opinion
I think he could change the future. What he couldn't change entirely was his life before he made Grisha kill the Reiss family.
I have concluded that Eren needs a hug and therapy. Lots of therapy.
Waaay too much therapy
@@Sxshhi Yeah.
And by extension, majority of the populations in the whole AOT world need therapy because most of them have been consumed by or are victims of the cycles of war, revenge and killings :(
@@daniaaal Well yeah.
@@Sxshhi every single day. 3 times a day and constant supervision
As someone who’s indifferent to the ending of AOT, but actually understand why Eren did the genocide. The line “even after I die… I want her to be hung up on me for a while. Ten years at least.” It sounds so petty and I live for it
This is incredibly well spoken. Good work, man.
Thank u for ur kind words bro🫶
I love how eren “became the villian” so that he’s people could be seen as saviors rather than the paradis devils. 💯
Taking the bullet so the they get to experience freedom from discrimination.
I'll always feel pity for Eren.Tragic, like the whole world.
Honestly I always hated across the show that the ppl placed so many weight to his shoulder. In this world and especially the aot world the mind crack come easily.I believe that I understand Eren's character and feel honest pity still don't agree with his actions. It's not my mother language so I 'll stop here and don't deep down of the psychology.
Btw, if Isayama really listening every detail and outcome Eren's psyche and knowledge of the world simply show that he is a kid in his mind. For example (not mention his "solution" for the problems) he'd like that his ppl just live on and be happy. If I don't mention their trauma and stuff still they'll can't live happy, bc of Eren's action what effect economy and will be terrible outcome to the world. Yeah, it's will regenerate but not their lifetime.
I love the ending and don't want another for the anime. Eren's breakdown? Like an 40 years old women, who never see or read manga just this one, I understand and who's don't I think they've try to see it another way.Eren will be dead and he don't wanna die. Plus there the guilty feeling. I think everybody speak from heart on their death bed. He scared like fck. Ok, I still wrestling with Armin's "thanks that you become a murderer for us" line, but it's don't do much with Eren.
I cried on the end bc I hate the world this way. Don't matter who and what did the world cruel. And I like that how portrait this Isayama in the manga pages.
Good video, I think it was great idea that you separate in two Eren for the better understanding.🙂
I appreciate that🙏🏽
OK so u want all the paradis people like even mikasa armin Jean Connie levi to just die?? Ookk go rewrite the story then! That's all left and will happen if eren doesn't do this go do it THAT'S YOUR DESIRED AOT ENDING SO- go do it!; or u got any idea other than this AN IDEA THAT WILL REALLY WORK THEN TELL US! if u got no idea then it means mikasa eren armin Jean Connie levi and all the scouts are also dead in ur ending. Great-
i agree
@@yagamilight9902 I don't have to "rewrite" the fanbase did it already just like they wanted the ending. I can accept what the writer,Isayama created. In a large scale what Eren wanted is succeeded for his friends lifetime(if we don't see the damages what I mentioned). But then...nothing changed. What was His goal it achieved.Great. His ppl lived.But that's it. Happiness is nowhere near.I wrote down everything already in my comments of my thoughts.
And I'll don't arguing someone who's so blind under Yagami's name that shouting at me with capital letters just bc couldn't agree with me. It's okay.But those sentences like "so you want Mikasa,Jean,Connie,Levi to just die??? THAT'S YOUR DESIRED AOT ENDING so do it,rewrite!"Oh man it's...wow.You scared me.😧
@@agnesszajko8600 YA FELT THEM UH??💀🤣🤣😭🙂 then eren felt it too- the answer is only live or die, choose one.
And he chosen the best option for his goal. Yes.. U dont have to write thousands of 50 / 50 thoughts like u did. Live or die. Fight if u want them to live or u just literally rewrote the story on ur mind as paradis alliance death. 🤷♀️
AGAIN !
Live or die Choose one;; that's the AOT world. that's all-
Is just amazing how after Isayama explicitly told us this story was about overcoming the cycle of hatred, that v1olence doesn’t solve things and g3nocide is the most horrible form of it, a lot of people still believe that it can be justified and is the right way to end this story.
Eren is my number one, my favorite since 2013 and as much as I love him I can’t sympathize with his actions ‘cause I understand he got corrupted by his own dream and ideals. That’s why I also feel bad for him.
Truly, great video ❤️
Like quite literally, the whole rumbling n Eren in the last chapter was just to show that delving into the cycle of hatred even more instead of talking things out is never good but ye ppl choose to ignore that for some reason. Preciate it
TBH I thought the ending made him a buffoon. He poisoned his own people's military, killed most of their best leaders, destroyed the walls and titans powers giving them an advantage. Then committed genocide on the entire world, even the countries considering alliances with paradis. All while knowing he'd lose in the end.
Of course the island was wiped out later. Its like he picked the option where the most suffering occurred for both sides.
Eren is my favorite character in all of anime. You’ve definitely added a layer to him that’ll make me appreciate him more. Great video man👊🏾😁
That's a W bro Eren is phenomenal. N im glad u liked it bro preciate that🤞
I’m not on anybody’s side. All I know is that I’m always gonna defend eren’s actions.
how does this not have atleast 1000 views?? this is absolutely amazing
😭😭preciate that hopefully it does hit 1k, thank u so much tho
To this day, objectively speaking, Eren Jaeger remains as the single greatest protagonist in the last decade. One of the best of ALL time, truly. Especially how Isayama concluded his character during 139's Armin's question as to why he did the Rumbling. The way it loops back to every single moment of his "freedom" is masterclass and flawless writing.
You’re joking right?
@@evanpowers6045 nah. How about you go check your ability to read first.
you know what's also amazing to me? Eren tried to escape the "fate" that was written for him. He tried to break out of doing what was coming and he tried to talk to Mikasa (or at least get an answer from her that would prevent him from doing what he did to the world). Had Mikasa been straight up with Eren about her feelings in that one scene I really like to think that Eren would 100% given up on that goal and probably stayed. I think he was looking for a way out. But everything just seemed to align, everything happened how it happened and now he's on the path to destroy the world.
What I don't think people also understand is that his love for every single one of his friends is so deep that he was willing to destroy the world in order to give them freedom and willing to give them proper lives. But that's not all! Eren also in doing so wanted to get rid of the curse of Ymir (which he did!). He set her free, and set the world free from titans, he set the future inheritors free from death, he set Armin free from death, he saved his people of Paradis, but most importantly he SAVED his friends. That's what this whole thing is about and that's what people miss, he did it for all these reasons, while he himself being a slave. The emotional and psychological trauma but the fucking resolve it must have taken to do that is unreal.
I am currently in an ethics class as part of my school's dentistry program and there was one problem poised to the class:
Imagine there was a train speeding your way and the railroad split into two railroads (one to the left and one to the right). On one side of the split there are 10 people tied down to the railroad. On the other side of the split your father and mother are tied down to the railroad. You alone are closest to a lever that would direct the speeding train either one way or the other. What do you do? do you save 10 random people or do you save 2 people (but those being your parents). What is the correct thing to do? What is the wrong thing to do? Is it better to save more people? Is it better to stay loyal and save your parents? THIS is what Eren was faced with and this is a question none of us have an answer to
Becoming a slave to liberate others despite hating being enslaved is of the utmost of tragic things. It's truly sad how he was forced a lot of things on his plate n he was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I don't think he would've given up on his goals nor is it possible since future even sets everything up including his own birth and if eren gives up there's no future him to do anything that fact that he was born alone makes it impossible for eren to stray from his goal
People act like every action has to be morally acceptable to understand the burden a person went through.
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Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. An awful lot of people within the Attack on Titan fanbase don't understand anything about the complexity series and its characters and just talk shit about everything.
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Yeah People are so judgy
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What a dumb comment
I'm always on Eren's side.. no matter what..
I understand him million percents, That's all.
Sad that he didn't do it for Eldia or his friends, but only for him, you understood the facade Eren, not the real Eren.
@@merciless9110what ???
Did you read the manga he did it all for his friends he made himself the villain so that they could be the hero's
@@delia8429 He initially didn't do it for that, his main reason that drive him to go this extreme was because he was disappointed of the outside world and wanted to wipe it all, don't say i didn't read the manga when you didn't read 131 and 139, you guys like to say to someone that they didn't read the manga when you yourself didn't read it, you all like to be hypocrites, lmao
@@merciless9110 I did read the manga and he said he did it for them in chapter 139
Did we read the same manga😂
@@delia8429 That was not his main motive that made him start the rumbling, he started the rumbling with the goal of trampling the entire world, he LITERALLY said it in 131 way before activating the rumbling and gaining the power of the founder, and he said it again to Armin in 139. Before activating the rumbling he wished to wipe it all away, when he starts the rumbling he changes his final objective because with the power of the founder he could see that he can erradicate the titan curse, but ofc, he allways wanted to do the rumbling. The moment when he kissed Historia's hand, he slowly began to realize that he was a piece of shit worse than Reiner and wanted with all his might to end the world outside Paradis because he was dissapointed.
Expressing his embarrassing thought with is best frnd is completely normal aot based on reality,,,, after all eren is only 19 y0 experiencing future past present at same time so much burden anyone can cry atleast for once before he die ne nevertheless he's just a kid he died in a noble way ensuring peace for his frnds and eradication of all titans ✌🏻dude have u read the manga eren succeeded in goal aot is way more realistic than code geass, no mc can bring peace for eternity! What do u think after lelouch died war never fought btwn countries for eternity? 1st of all eren situation was more critical than lelouch, he's bounded by fixed time where he knows the future but can't change a thing so he have to just keep moving forward and his goal was to eradicate all titans ( which would only possible if Ymir got satisfied - rumbling and Mikasa killing eren Only two ways to satisfy Ymir) and let his friends live peacefully tho peace isn't for eternity , after century or so paradise was bombed as no one can stop war but by that time eren's friends died peacefully 💀 dude 1st understand then argueNo actually it's just a human having a human nature !! He doesn't want to be a mysterious hero or something !!! He's doin things for himself!!! Ending was perfect !! Actually is not a time loop but kinda like a time loop !!! Eren did what he saw in his future memories didn't have a choice ! U may see him as a psychopath but he solve problems that would be faced by future humans !!! He took down all the titans from existance tho killing 80% of people as he wouldn't have a choice!!! By killing the founding titan only u can resolve threat of titans !!! If he could die he would by simply let Armin kill him and became the saviour of humanity!!! But Ymir also decides whether eren will die or not !! Curse of Ymir !!! Ymir wants to move on from king fritz Mikasa inspired Ymir by killing eren!!! That's why Ymir let eren die !!! Offf and much more I can't write!!
THESE ARE THE COMMENTS I USE TO ARGUE PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND AOT
Ohhh I got confused as I was reading this comment cuz I thought u mistook my video as calling Eren a simple villain which is clearly not what I meant😭The simple fact is this, Eren’s not a stable person anymore. Justifying his actions is a bad thing. We can understand that at the end of the day, he was a poor guy who was given too much of a burden to handle which is why he made fucked up decisions that u can never justify.
1. Aot is mid
2. Code geass Is better
3. Aot is the cheapest copy of code geass
4. Your daddy isayama has 4 braincell.
In my opinion i see it more that he was always like this, he has always been the same, what changed was the perspective of the world. For me the key moments that define his character are these 3:
- When he says that he has always been this way to Zeke when he asked him why he's doing all this (in chapter 121).
- When he tells Reiner that people are the way they are because of their nature. "I think we were born this way" (in chapter 100 ).
- And when he tells Ramzi that he was disappointed on the rest of the world and that he WISHED to wipe it all away (in chapter 131).
I don't think he should be excused and separted in 2 Erens, he stated himself multiple times that this is what he wanted and that he always have been this way. It's not necessary to take the blame away to his character.
And lastly, i think he doesn't deserve empathy since he himself as a human being didn't have enough empathy to not commit genocide on billions of innocent people outside the walls, and less when he deep down knew this wasn't 100% necessary to ensure Paradis future, he did it for himself. For me he has always been someone naturally evil/aggressive, although he has view and appreciate the beauty of life on Armin, Mikasa and his friends as you say in the video, but his obsession with "freedom" didn't let him appreciate it fully.
Great video tho, it's an interesting way of seeing Eren's character.
All very reasonable points, fair enough. I agree that his perspective of the world changed and that change came from kissing historia's hand. Now when I separated Eren into 2 Erens, I didn't really mean it quite literally. It was jus a way to indicate how broken his psyche is since Eren has no grip on reality due to the merging of the past, present and future. So the 2 Erens were jus to point out the difference in Eren before he made contact with Historia in which at that point Eren was stable and the Eren after he kissed Historia in which he became deranged and lost touch with the world.
I am by no means exempting him from blame as what he did is obv pretty fucked up lmfao but the reason why it may seem like im trying to provide clarity for his actions is because of how he was treated as this simplistic evil character in which the last chapter ruined his character. i'm not necessarily telling people to be empathetic to him but rather to be aware of jus how twisted and tragic Eren really is. I disagree on calling him evil as his morality is rlly more nuanced than him ,jus being evil. Evil would be someone like Johan from Monster however if u view him as an evil person because of his actions that's still understandable as what he did can never be forgiven.
Thx for the feedback tho i rlly appreciate it :)
@@Sxshhi Oh, i see now what you mean by 2 Erens, that's really good. And yeah, when i say evil i don't explicitly mean like an evil villain like Johan or someone like the slaver king Fritz, but more like someone psychopathic that can be morally good in the inside but can't control himself in certain occasions and end up hurting a lot of people, i'm not saying that Eren is 100% a psychopath either because there is a lot of factors in the story and it could be more complicated than that. But yeah, he's definitely doing everything by his will, and everything that he's doing is evilish and wrong, so yeah, i end up drawing that conclusion.
But either way, Eren's character is quite a complex topic to talk about, you can spend hours and hours talking about it and how deep it is and never get bored, that's why i like this show and Eren's character so much, it's just top tier. And is funny because it's seems to be too complex for those who hate his character now for not being the nationalist fascist that they wanted him to be in the last chapters, the chad Eren that was right and knew it was the only option 😆.
It's a pretty good video, you express yourself quite well, keep the good work 👍
@@merciless9110 ah I get what u mean by evil now then. And ye, it frustrates me how ppl had this image of Eren in which he massacred everyone and he was heartless but because it didn’t happen, they call him a bad character.
I appreciate that a whole bro thx for that🤞🏽
Ive started to really agree with this perspective. Rewatching the show and seeing Eren through a different lense, i also noticed the following:
-Eren wishing "something would happen" when he was a kid right before the walls collapsed. Told me he wasnt satisfied with normal life
-The way he killed those kidnappers, super aggressive for a kid
-Telling Reiner and Bert that he would kill them in the most painful way possible with a crazy look in his eyes
I think Eren really was a bit unhinged from the beginning. I also don't think he's inherently evil either, just his personality and circumstances led him to what he became.
Great comment but I think you have a mistake. Those people are not innocent. Yes, they are not soldiers and don't fight eldians physically, but all of them are supporting the extermination of eldian race and paradise folk. In the show, we didn't see opposition to wiping out eldians. The only thing we can consider an opposition was Zeke Yeager and his supporters(marleyans, eastern folks etc.) but their idea was just doing that in a long way by race euthanization. As we saw in the Anime all the people on mainland are accepting and appreciating the genocide towards eldians. At the end you are saying a man who killed his murderers is evil and cannot be empathized.
Only 23 subs, I thought u had like at least 50k, u deserve way more, u have amazing commentary and thumbnails and spectacular editing.
Yooooo waking up to this comment hits different omg thank u so much bro😭
@@Sxshhi np man
Great video. I would like to add some of my thoughts.
9:05 i think when Eren answers "I don't know", he actually means it, and the panel flashes back to when he was born an innocent child, implying that he was like this since birth, and he has 0 idea why and how he is who he is, is it his fate that enslaves him or his will? (
I appreciate that🙏🏽 n ye that’s what I thought too. I think that moment in which he says Idk n then it flashes Grisha sayin ur free Eren just as he was born truly indicates to what degree Eren wasn’t aware of if he was free or not because Grisha must’ve seen how Eren was gonna turn out (due to him being the attack titan holder) n so he alr knew of Eren’s fundamental conflict with freedom which is why he told a baby Eren that he was already free n he didn’t need to worry about anything else. Just like how Carla emphasizes that he doesn’t need to be anything special n that he’s jus special the way he alr is. Truly is a great show fr.
So all the innocent people that weren't with Marley or the other nations all died because Ymir told Eren to kill them? And Eren himself didn't know why?
It’s an anime there’s nothing wrong with rooting for the “villain” of course genocide is wrong but it’s a fictional story and makes for a great watch I’ll never turn on Eren he’s been my favourite since the first episode
HOW CAN SOMEONE NOT FEEL BAD FOR EREN AT THIS POINT??? THEY PROBABLY HAVE NOT SEEN THE SHOW?!
Rest In Peace, To The Boy Who Sought Freedom
There is no use for 'should feel". One have read manga 💯 felt bad, or i have felt bad and it took me 2 days of depression thinking Mikasa had to kill her beloved Eren.
Truly tragic
its been a year we lived in a world without eren , it was hard to believe first but also this is the best ending
To me, the only one responsible for everything that happened was Ymir, she too had complete control of past present and future, to an even bigger extent than Eren, and I believe she manipulated everyone to manufacture a situation where she could metaphorically take revenge on the old king Fritz through Mikasa killing Eren
When Eren rushed to Ymir and "freed" her from her obsession with doing everything the royals asked of her, Eren immediatly realized something was wrong and asked if she planned this out before obtaining full access to the founding titan and becoming the representation of all the evil King Fritz wanted Ymir to do
In the end theres not a single version of Eren that had freewill, not "Founding Eren" and even less the "Present Eren", since the first was manipulated by Ymir to become a Super Villain so he can "free" her and then become her sacrifical lamb so she can have a self inflicted theraphy sesion, and the latter was manipulated by the first
This is a story of how an inmortal timeless deity became a slave of her own choosing, became traumatized by her bad choice and then forced millions and millions of people to become her slaves so she can show herself that she can infact be free and happy if she chooses to be, and that's when she changes her own past by letting Fritz die
I feel pity because Eren had to carry the sins of Ymir, Killing 80% of the planet and Letting himself Die, so that She can be happy.
I totally agree. 139's biggest sin wasn't the "No, I don't want that!" scene, but how it essentially made Ymir the villain. She waited 2,000 years to get rid of Titan powers, and did it by ruining Eren and Mikasa's lives and massacring 80% of the planet.
I love how you explained some of the stuff, Great video man appreciate your effort.
Ur too kind bro thx for that :)
Eren finally achieved his freedom that he thinks what freedom is.. in grounded panel. Yall.....
For someone who was 25 subs this is a super good audio and quality vid
Preciate u so much😭I was worried that my audio might be a little stiffy n that my editing might have been a little simple so thx for that feedback🙏🏽
Great video! Although I disagree with some points you made, I really like what you said about Armin. He was always able to find happiness even when he was restricted behind the walls. Just reading the book of the outside world made him happy, where as for Eren it only fueled his inner rage and drive for “freedom”. In reality this was Eren’s cage. I love the contrast in chapter 131 of child Eren with adult Armin in paths. Armin is able to accept life for what it is and has grown and matured because of it, meanwhile Eren is still trapped as child, desperately fighting for his true freedom. It’s Eren’s own nature that makes him the least free.
Ye. Essentially Armin’s character is AOT’s answer to finding peace n happiness in the AOT world
Though I'm confused about one thing, wont history just repeat itself since at the very end we see what happens to Eldia in the future, couldn't "Founding Eren" not see what was to fall upon the Eldian empire? If so then what was his actual end goal?
I guess Founding Eren was all about the scenery! Just like in the Rick and Morty episode when Morty gets the death crystal and murders people so he can get to the future where he dies with his crush.
You cant defend a guy killing his mom & dad& brother just to save just his friends but not the future generations to come
next video should be titled "Why you SHOULDN'T tell people how to feel about a character objectively worse than hitler"
erens my favorite character and this is a decent video but that title is something else man
Eren was not evil the situation was not in control.
If Eren didn't do rumbling then the world would attack again in eldia no doubt.
Eren wait 4 years he didn't wented to do rumbling.
But there was no other choice
But he still waited 4 years
His character was always legit
Killing bad person is not sign of evil
He killed 2 guy when he was 9
He always wanted freedom
And his mom eaten by Titan. all his friend die. That's why he always cry 😢 but some shit people say
Eren cry baby Levi best Levi badass.
All unfair thing happened with Eren but he still wanted to stop rumbling
And now day's people say Eren worst
He kill innocent people.
Without understanding story and the character of Eren .
If you was in place of Eren you would start rumbling as fast as possible to take revenge
But Eren waited 4 years
But no other choice
In the end he
Sacrifice himself
For eldia and his friend
But people still say Eren is evil
🥺
those who've supported eren and the yeagerists from the start, absolute chads.
My only problem with chapter 139 is the part when they explain that Ymir was in love with karl fritz. Like seriously ?
To understand Eren, we have to understand Darth Vader. For example:
When Eren was freed from the Walls, he ended up becoming a slave by his desires for more freedom and the deaths of everyone in Marley. And when Anakin Skywalker was freed from Watto, he ended up becoming a slave again when he dedicated his commitment to the Jedi Order.
So when Anakin saw the vision of his wife dying in childbirth, he began his quest to obtain the power to save her life, corrupting himself in the process. And when Eren Yeager saw the vision of the Rumbling, he believed that it could be the only thing that he can use to secure his own freedom and protect his friends from being killed or enslaved by Marley.
One more thing, I got this video to you from Geetsly's channel to show that Anakin and Eren are basically the same. Here is the link to the video: th-cam.com/video/B8MY5dgoT9U/w-d-xo.html
Ima keep it a buck bro I have yet to dive into the Star Wars saga. I’ll def will check out the video when I get into Star Wars, which could be very soon
@@Sxshhi I also have the other one here. I just discovered it. However, this video said that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are not the same person: th-cam.com/video/1MKuWb9KeRI/w-d-xo.html
So which video is correct about Darth Vader between Geetsly's and Star Wars Theory? I do not know. But I believe that both can be correct. And if that's the case, it will also go to show how much of the Sith Lord that Eren Yeager really is.
@@lerneanlion I rlly am intrigued by star wars so i'll watch it soon.
@@Sxshhi Hope to see you do comparison between Eren Yeager and Darth Vader soon! Also, I found this fanmade video a while ago. And it's really suited Darth Vader because of the edition that will make you think of Eren Yeager himself. Here is the link: th-cam.com/video/mrSC-6WfGxE/w-d-xo.html
This manga/anime taught us something very important, everyone is a slave to their ideals and true freedom will never exist.
I believe one way founding eren convinced present eren was that he showed him the possibility of Marley and eldia making peace after his death and justifying the deaths of all those people by stating that he would be responsible for the freedom of all those who come after.
Das a good point
this is soo goood. the conclusion is Eren force himself into the cycle, not the reality into cycle. Eren wants the future to get better after his death.
Alright something I should point out: Eren only became the founder because he pushed himself to there in spite of all the guilt. His desire for freedom doesn't come from being the founder. He just had it for as long as he could remember
It really pisses me off that people can hate Eren they clearly don’t understand his character he is the best AOT character.
mikasa with another man? no i don't want that!
@@olafinsky ikr im really disappointed in the ending I wish it was the original ending it would have been really unique where everyone was supposed to die
@@shoukosvision5847 i agree with you there pal, but i don't think 139 makes eren the best character in aot anymore, unless mappa can pull an aoe out of their ass or something lol
@@olafinsky yeah I
can see that I know what will happen but I keep on hopeing it will changed. 🤞😖
@@shoukosvision5847 you and me both brother 🙏
That is a great analysis, thank you for this video!
Bro your explanation is on point... I understand eren's feeling hence I was always on his side.. Also your content is underrated and you truly deserve more...
I truly appreciate u thank u so much😭
I respect your point of view. If u look at Eren backstory he was really abused
I already commented this post in several videos, but I will comment it again anyway:
This what I think when Eren says *"When I learned that humanity lived beyond the walls, I was so disappointed."* I saw a lot of people trying to interpret the line as "Eren is disappointed because he saw the same oppression outside the walls as he saw in Paradis" or "he saw the same cycle of hatred/violence" or "he found that good/bad people exist outside the walls". And while those interpretations may not be invalid, I personally feel that the real meaning is much more straightforward than that. And I also feel that the same people considered this interpretation but willingly ignored it because of how it affects their perception of Eren.
Firstly, I want to talk about a portion of the line that needs more attention, which is *"When I learned that humanity lived beyond the walls".* The key word here is "When". WHEN exactly did Eren learn that humanity lived outside the walls? When did his perception, that the people inside the wall were the last remenants of humanity, shatter? The answer is when Eren read Grisha's note on the back of the photograph, which says that humanity hasn't perished. The note didn't say anything about Eldia/Marley, or about oppression, or how that there are good/bad people outside the walls. The note simply says that humans exist outside the walls. And Eren learned this in the BASEMENT, NOT in his prison cell where he accessed Grisha's memories (or read the 3 books Grisha left behind), NOT at the sea where he was unsatisfied with the sight, and NOT in Marley where he realised that good/bad people exist.
Next, if we looked at the context of the scene, Eren was confessing to Ramzi alone while crying. Eren crying means that he is expressing his true feelings and thoughts. Because Ramzi cannot understand the Eldian language, Eren can freely express his true thoughts without reprimandation. And when saying your true thoughts, *YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING CRYPTIC.* You say your true thoughts as you mean it.
So when Eren says "When I learned that humanity lived beyond the walls, I was so disappointed", I think he was saying it as he literally means it. That he was simply disappointed because other people exist outside the walls. That these people had the AUDACITY to exist in the first place. That these people ruined his fantasy of an empty landscape beyond the walls where NO HUMANS exist and lands yet to be explored. Eren was so disappointed that he decided to trample the outside world to recreate the fantasy that he imagined as a child. The fantasy based on what Eren saw in Armin's book of the outside world. So even if the outside world was not hostile towards Paradis, Eren would have still wanted to destroy it. Of course, Eren did not enjoy killing millions people outside the walls, after all wasn't that why he cried in front of Ramzi? But Eren simply refused to let go off his idyllic fantasy.
Now if all of that sounds childish and petty, that is because IT IS. It was why Eren was depicted as a literal CHILD in chapter 131. When child Eren said "Freedom", he was shown to be above the clouds and smoke where he cannot see the destruction below him. The destruction that Eren himself was causing. He only sees the vast, never-ending land to freely roam around. I think that's the "freedom" Eren wants. The "freedom" to do anything without taking responsibility, a child's view of "freedom".
But that's just my own interpretation and I could maybe be wrong. What do you guys think?
The only reason people do not sympathise with Eren is that they never really realise through all the manipulation and action that Eren was always what he said he was way in Season 1, he is human. Eren is also only 19, barely an adult. He is not some god, he is just a human and has his own flaws. Everyone wants a partner, everyone wants to live, and everyone wants to protect the country they were born in. Everyone wants to protect their pride, they do not want to be shamed. Eren was just dealt the worst cards ever by himself. And if anyone else was Eren, they would do the same thing. Founding Eren dictates what happens to his own fate, but that also made him a slave to himself, not the most free person in the world.
Let me see...
"The real issue I took with the shitstorm surrounding the ending was how people acted like Eren's breakdown was out of nowhere and his character was ruined, because they kept seeing him as this stoic, swave, evil mastermind playing 4D chess on everyone, above showing any human emotion."
Then your response:
"Exactly bro. Anybody who thought of Eren as this unbreakable, unfeeling machine who didn’t care about anything severely misunderstood his character. The last chapter humanizing him is meant to show just how wrong he was for activating the rumbling and if ppl believe Isayama humanizing Eren ruined his character, then they must also believe that the rumbling was justified which in no way in hell can u justify the rumbling."
That is laughable, did you take that out a textbook "Ending Defender" starter pack?
Yeah, that's all I needed to know before I even wasted a second on the video.
Every ending hater I know already understood that Eren had emotions. Chapter 131 when he cried to Ramzi, nobody bitched about Eren having emotions then, so I have no clue why Ending Defenders keep bringing this up like it's some 'GOTCHA' moment. It's that of all the things he would be crying about, it was about Mikasa of all people? What about the fact he butchered 80% of the global population? Why not make him breakdown at the thought that he had to kill his own mother? That would be an understandable reason for a breakdown. But Mikasa? The girl who had a pathetically one-sided romance? He barely gave her any attention. He had more chemistry with every other character in the manga! I don't even consider their relationship as tragic, they had four entire years to hook up, but Eren chose not to.
The Rumbling was justified. The entire world declared war first and were about to bomb the living shit out of Paradis Island. Why are we supposed to root for this outside world when all Isayama gave us were racist, pieces of shit who were crying tears of joy (chapter 100) at the thought of destroying Paradis? The Eldians in Marley were lucky, it's canon they were actually treated better compared to the Eldians around the world! The Extra Pages in Volume 34 showed that Paradis was carpet bombed. Are you going to say that this was due to Civil War and not because of the 20% who were left alive by Eren?
I cannot wait for the finale to release. Anime-onlies are going to find Eren's sudden shift jarring and out of character. Then what are you people going to say? Are you going to say Anime-Onlies misunderstood the ending? That they lack the comprehension to even fathom the 'character' of Eren? Don't worry, I'm sure they won't bend over backwards as hard than you guys.
Mostly I agree with you
I'm that person who is 100% neutral to the ending, I've never defended it or criticised it but the dialogue between Eren and Armin really confused me
I'm ok with Eren crying but the reason should be either him having to kill his mother OR not being able to gain freedom which he had always wanted or both
Also if Eren said he wanted Armin to be seen a hero, he should have erased the yeagerists' memories. Otherwise, it seemed like irrelevant words made up my Eren(Isayama) during the conversation
I still think that there's no right in AOT and I've never sided with anyone but I used to think that Eren was wrong. It was a year ago
Then, I found myself in Eren's shoes. Without any details, my country is also hated abroad and so on. And, yk, it really hurts, like a lot. Only then I finally understood Eren and his methods.
But I'm totally fine with people defending or criticising the ending. Everyone has the right to have their own opinion, people tend to think differently. The only thing I hate is when ending defenders or haters criticize each other and call each other names just because they don't share the same opinion
Great video I kept skipping over it then decided to give it a watch definitely worth it
Ay preciate u for giving this chance n im glad u liked it🤞
An excellent analysis! Thank you. Very eye-opening. I felt the same about Eren upon finishing the manga, but hadn't considered the Founding Titan's influence beneath it all.
Thank you :)
Without experience one can't change anything, so fixing mass murder of his kind, he had to experience that mass murder. Eren knew that, the founding Eren knew that. If Eren didn't get kruegar to do things, Eren wouldn't be born, there are so many things that would have destroyed Eren's plan, or Eren himself if founding Eren didn't influence to make the things that he knew that happened, happen. I bet Eren was so shook once he realized he was responsible for everything. He could have gotten everything he ever wanted back with his power, but he knew those small gains, that he would gain for himself, wouldn't help him gain the things he wanted to gain the entire series. Most people say Eren is evil, but wouldn't an evil person be searching for their "perfect world" not a perfect world for those around him. Making a world perfect for others would be considered a hero, and someone who does that with morally ambiguous actions is an antihero. Therefore Eren is the best. Sacrificing his entire being in order to give his friends s life.
This was truly a great watch. I always thought that chapter 139 was a good ending, maybe a bit rushed - I’d have loved a few more panels so that the ending would feel more fleshed out. But it always hurt me how people seemed to not understand Eren at all. Which is due to the fact that he’s just so extensive. When I learned that „Shingeki no Kyojin“ can have multiple meanings and that one of the plot twists was the actual title being „The attack titan“ and NOT „attack on titan“ , it just clicked. Because Eren is not only the protagonist (that’s the view I had on him pre-plottwist wise)- he IS the story (the view after we learn the true powers of the Attack Titan, especially in combination with the Founding). Everything can be traced back to him (or as you said to „founding Eren“) which made him seem more like a concept than a human being. I guess that’s why a lot of the fandom was so shocked when Isayama reminded us that at the end of the day, Eren was also a human.
Trapped within the concept („Founding Eren“) is the true Eren, deeply wanting but not being able to escape the fate that Founding Eren created for the whole world.
I just think it’s genius
I just hate one thing in the ending. Eren was able to control past pure titans (Dina). So, that means Eren caused every titan related death in history. Remember Mina and Thomas back in season 1, Yeah Eren was the one who killed them, because he needed that to happen. Butterfly effect or something. Isayama making the founding titan too OP was a big mistake. Its not far fetched to say that Eren was the one who let out the pigs. Or sine he can has the ability to control and affect the actions of all Subjects of Ymir in history, then he could be the one controlling King Fritz and dictating his choices. No founding titan in history was that OP, so why does Eren all of a sudden have this unique power. He's basically omniscient/omnipotent. Being so OP gave Eren the ability to complete the entire Rumbling, end the titan curse, and save his friends all at once. However, he did neither.
U acc brought up interesting points that could explain ur question if u look at it from a thematic standpoint. Eren being the one to fully use the founding titan powers the most makes sense if u think about who are the holders of the founding titan ability. We have 3 (I think) confirmed founding titan holders; Ymir, the Reiss family n Eren himself.
Now we gotta look at the fundamentals of the founding titan ability. It’s essentially the ability to transcend life n time. Such a godlike power that he or she who chooses to act upon it will be so OP. Keywords being “chooses to act”. Ymir never had the will to fully use the founding titan power cuz she was a shy, Stockholm syndrome having child who was afraid to be independent n make her own decisions so she waited what must’ve felt millennia for someone to come liberate her. Then we got the Reiss family whom we know that even if they wanted to use the founding titan ability to help save mankind, the vow of renouncing war prevents them from having their own will anymore. It’s like their puppets guided by a weak soul who’s to afraid to move forward.
In comes Eren. The man with the strongest will in all of AOT. The reason y he’s the one who’s able to fully utilize the founding titan ability n make it LOOK OP is cuz he’s the one with the will. If Ymir or the Reiss family truly had their own will, it would’ve been jus as OP in their hands but cuz they’re too afraid or their own will being literally rewired, it seems like they couldn’t utilize its full potential. The founding titan ability is clearly an ability that rewards its users with godlike powers If they wanna be a godlike figure which who in all of AOT possesses the desire n will to be a very strong n special figurehead? Eren. Eren being the only able to use the founding titan ability to its fullest potential falls in line with the thematic narrative of needing a dominant will so that the vow of renouncing war doesn’t affect u n what better of a character in this verse would be least likely to be affected by the enslavement of the founding titan? Eren Yeager.
Now u may not like what he did with the power as that’s jus a moral debate but I think it serves to prove the thematic utility of the founding ability n Eren’s deluded psyche even more. Only a god can truly tap into the founding titan ability as Rod Reiss hints n Eren was deluded enough to think he was a god.
@@Sxshhi when u mentioned that eren is the man with strongest will..I just got remembered of the earlier episode where they introduced eren with his name and abilities and then said that he has the most will and that he's a motivated one.......
@@Sxshhi eren didn't think of himself as a god mann.....
And path founding eren doing all of these to our present eren.. my question is that founding eren still alive? I mean he's doing this while knowing everything and because he wants freedom so badly right? So letting the eren dies what did the founding eren achieved? I mean where is he now? What did he really wanted? Freedom or just to die or what cause he knew everything tho but still led it all happen this way and still said that he wanted freedom. Where is he now?..
And also.. u mentioned that grounded panel eren is the eren that got released from the founding eren, but bro still those memories were from the chapter where armin was on ship but just forgotten. So eren was still there in the rumbling.. so how did he got released by founding eren there if the rumbling still continues? I mean... even eren didn't want to stop right
Bruhhh idk mannn my brain all over the place...now I'm literally repeating the same words as eren did in the last chapter aren't i- ... bish I understand him tho.....idk...arghh
Don’t you think that would change the future if he had did something back then?
This is my enterpretation of it:
Since Eren saw memories of the past and his future when he kissed Historias hand, he now knows what is going to happen and that is what helped make him so reserved. He only saw memories that were shared by his future self though so not everything. But imagine knowing that no matter what you do your going to have to kill all these people. Grisha like Eren all ready knew what future Eren would do. I honestly feel terrible for the fact that he was stuck in a literal time loop and took the pain in order to save his friends.
I mean he has the memories, thoughts, and ideals, of roughly 165 founders before him swimming around in his head. Not to mention all the attack titans. I assume while in control of the founder he was sending back memories to 2000 years worth of attack titan users to manipulate his will also.
Dude, really good video.
Great video, you’ve brought up Amazon points that I’ve never even thought of
Preciate it
I read this comment blaming Ymir since she was at fault even more than eren.It made me think a better ending would be if eren realized before he did the rumbling that his idea was wrong and that ymir could have stopped this all and eren rips her to shreds and after just lives his life with his friends and maybe a cure is found so he doesnt die.
Freedom is violent
Fasho Eren def showed that
#erendidnothingwrong
Free ma boy he only committed a billion charges of murder, terrorism, high treason, insurrection n crimes against humanity🤦🏽♂️
Omg, still Eren knows too that what he did is wrong.
i always thought the panel where he talks about mikasa was good, because we finally see a crack of his previous, headstrong younger self, which is nostalgic at this point as well as heart breaking
This is one of the best Attack on Titan explanation videos Of all time. Thank you!!!!
Ur welcome im glad u enjoyed🙏
Very good video my guy, subbed. I pity Eren heavily, the burden he carries must be unbearable. I don't agree with everything he does but in the end I feel so bad for him, he wanted to badly to change the outcomes but he just knew that he could not. He knew it all.
For me I think it’s more of he seen that regardless of peace could have been achieved, they would always be a threat to his home, and then his friends, he wasn’t willing to ride upon hope of future generations not suffering the same fate he has been given and make a better world, he wasn’t willing to see his friends be killed and given a short span to live like he did, and of course he wasn’t willing to even think about risking his home, so he saw what was the most guaranteed way his home will live for eternity, than took it, even if he really didn’t want to, it’s not a matter of manipulation in my eyes more so he weighed his options and saw no other outcome, than used that outcome to make himself beleive it’s true freedom because there would be nobody anymore who could take his or his peoples freedoms, for him it was never about saving his home it was about ending the threats to eldia for good
Honestly, I understand why he did what he did. But, I can't bring myself to feel bad for him 😭
Totally reasonable tbh, it is extremely hard to justify Eren😪
man's so underated, keep your stuff going cuz damn this is explained Hella good
I will thank u :)
Good vid, made me cry again 😭
But I like it how you made it a little easier for me to understand this past-present-future dilemma cause I didn't understand it so well until now, I guess that's bc it's so weird.
And I see ppl here say ab their opinion on the Rumbling so Imma say mine :
I don't disagree fully to the Jaegerists' cause, probably bc I was more attached to the island than to the rest of the world, though I am more in the Alliance's side, bc so many fav characters are in this side and bc I think it's more of the right choice. As for Eren, I never really viewed him as Evil or anything, I think I was able to understand that he was a little crazy and that It was smth linked with the past-present-future thingy. Anyway, I think the story went out well, the rumbling did happen, Eren died, but maybe it's better this way ; Mikasa and Armin are sad ab their friend's death (for Mikasa more of her crush/lover ig) but they are alive and living well, as well as for Jean, Connie, Levi, Annie, Pieck, Gabi, Falco. I wish that Mikasa and Eren could've lived together happily but the ending is more interesting this way.
It's sad how we're forced to pick sides even as the viewers cuz of how nuanced the AOT world is. N i'm srry (or glad?) it made u cry enough😭
Thanks for making this, people hating him cuz he's famous and aot ending. he's my favorite anime character
my issue wasn't that eren cried his emotions are the essence of his character in fact the times when he cried and became emotional were the best and hit the hardest my issue is that he cried about wanting mikasa to find another man while people are gonna try to excuse this let's take a look to tye show
the First time eren was about to die was when he was swallowed by a titan in that moment he didn't know he had titan powers so if he was a regular human he would have died right there and then when he cried he didn't cry because he didn't want mikasa to find another man he cried because of how crule tge world really is and because he remembered his mother during that moment not mikasa
another time when he was supposed to die was in the reiss cave he was supposed to be eaten by historia then when he cried he cried because of the thousands that died because he had a power he didn't deserve (ie the founder)
another time when he cried was the infamous 131 ramzi scene he cried not for mikasa but because he knew that he would commit atrocities that are unforgivable killing millions of men women and children and wild life
all of those moments when eren showed emotions and cried were a vital esscence for building his character but then we come to last point he cried in which was ch139 and does he cry for the millions he is currently killing is he crying cuz he got sasha and potentially many killed for. him no he cried because he didn't want mikasa to find another man which was stupid as fuck
oh and eren wasn't free not because he tells himself that but because he really isn't
all of his life he was stuck behind concrete walls that dictate the way he is supposed to live and he didn't want that and his desire for freedom is understandable armin for me represents a child that thinks everry thing can be solved by talking to people he even said it that we should try to talk with the marlyans the people that want them dead but eren won't sit and accept that his is dictated by marley and the world
@@jojomahmoud5752 But see this is the point of AOT. We humans are incredibly limited in all kinds of things, including freedom. the average human cannot afford to play god like Eren did and wipe out 80% of humanity. All we can do is try to find the best humane possible solution to our problem n jus accept things the way they are while finding happiness in our "birdcage". That was ultimately the lesson Eren was supposed to learn n that is the whole point of Armin's character.
@@Sxshhi but it's still a bird cage that was the point of eren's character he wants true freedom freedom from his enemies freedom to be him and freedom for his people without discrimination against them for the fact that they are decendandts of ymir armin is the kind of guy that enjoys the moment but not eren eren doesn't rest until he has freedom that's what's facinating about his character he was always like this since birth
@@Sxshhi and they tried to find a human solution but failed he had no choice but to destroy the world that wants them dead
I want to be honest. If I was from paradise island I definitely would be on Eren's side. 100%! It is cruel and definitely not the right thing to do but it's best thing I could do for myself.
I hated him from the beginning. He doesn't listen or measure up the situation - he is pointless...
Eren's is my fav character. He has my sympathy. But I'm not siding with him. Anyway this a good vid. Man🔥
I do indeed feel bad for Eren, him and the other Shifters, Soldiers, particularly military and political leaders.
By far the most insane, desperate, and devastating Conflict Humanity and Eldian Kind could ever have imagined.
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Tbh, Present and Founding Eren are still the same person. One has more knowledge and experience than the other but it's Eren doing this to himself. It's not 2 seperate people, it's all Eren Yeager in the end, so...
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Um... YES, actually. He could stop, but that doesn't agree with his ideology at all. Present Eren wants to be free as much as Founding Eren, that much is still ultimately true.
You can't just forgive killing every single person not residing on Paradis Island.
But the thing about this is that the anime might be different there's this one theory that I saw was that there's alternate dimensions and there's a theory that one of them Aaron creates a thing like the Warhammer Titan did when she transformed he put her body in a Crystal Underground while her Titan was above ground there's a theory that that happens
Eren never fundamental grew up he's still that 15 year old kid traumatized by it all
I’d say he’s still the same as that little kid who used to get wood for the family n insist on being a scout. Only thing that changed was his perspective on reality, but his take on reality never changed.
I bet that kid version that had that freedom
Panel was like he was on heroin but knowing what he was doing was just terrible so he reverted to his child like mind and then when he was grounded was like his come down hence why he said he wanted to do it and would’ve kept doing it even if he knew armin wouldn’t stop him…kinda sad but his drug was freedom and it killed him
it's kind of hard to feel bad for him when he set up all the events that caused him to feel emotional pain. if anything Levi is the one who never deserved to suffer since childhood because he never wanted it. but I still feel bad for the fact that he had to believe that it was the only way to save his friends.
Very good video 👍. You deserve more attention!
Preciate that so much thank u:)
Nice video! keep it up
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i liked eren from beginning to end, except for the times where he fell into despair. other than that i liked him the whole way through.
Best definition of him is “tragically evil”.
I just really couldn’t tolerate genocidal “solution” to protect Paradis.
It was really going too far, and I don’t understand how he, seeing what he could have done with the rumbling, didn’t even try to change up humanity’s destiny.
It was painful, because, even if it’s comprehensible, I could really not play along with how the character really couldn’t mature.
I understood everything you said in the video, but I don’t believe we need stories about how “destiny” is fixed, this finale was a shame.
Gatsu,how I can download (or can I find on net?) your thumbnail? I'm in love with it just like with the video.
Eren is sartrean, Armin is Absurd man(Camus) and Mikasa is representation of the will of reproduce(the will to life, Schopenhauer)
This made me accept the reason as to why Eren did that. Because many explanations had come out. One Eren being pre-determined by fate that he has no will and the other one Eren being inherently evil because he is a sociopath which made me even more confused. Like what is the real ending here? Until you post this video. If anything, I would accept your explanation more. It really justified every choice Eren made. Making this whole anime not a question of who's right and wrong but more of what really happened. And that is really being enslaved to his own will.
rumbling can't be justified but still there's no choice.
To this day, i still dont know if there truly was no choice besides the rumbling. I'll have to revisit the story to see if there was any possible scenarios besides the rumbling.
@@Sxshhi there was others options but they were or could be seen as evil as rumbling aka zeke euthanasia plan, running away, or the partial rumbling.
@@Sxshhi things had to happen that way.. otherwise it won't happen like this... he won't go this far if it all didn't happen this way..
I've been thinking like if he could kill that parasite so it all ends..
But.. its risky cuz we can't believe in world too.. they will still might come to kill eldians.. while eldians got nothing to defend themselves.. so it's risky.. in aot 50/50 thoughts not gonna work. Live or die... if he doesn't do that they will literally die.. btw it was always the quote of aot...yall know..
And talk no jutsu not gonna work man..
They already have been warned before not to attack on paradis or get killed by millions of collosal titans..
And eren been through all of this and he literally can't forgive them bruhw.. he just can't.. if we think about it practically, he can't.. it will be the same for us..if we were in that situation.
Remember eren literally reminded of that to reiner in season 4 and also to us at the same time.
The story is so psychological that make us think of these things deeply to understand our inner reality...
Just so amazing..
@@MrMetaVal ikr... maybe eren has been through many timelines and tried all but still couldn't, he might have seen them through memories somehow?..
so he literally understood that there's no other choice and went with rumbling..
And I also think that he kinda wanted to do it ... their world is unforgivable so... you know his personality..so just..hm..
To be honest I feel more sorry for yams than anyone else. The man literally begged fans to please be nice when he visited NYC recently.
Definitely subbed very good analysis on the Eren hate and manga ending I really feel like it makes sense if you look at it at a deeper level but people didn't get what they exactly wanted or expected but it was definitely an ending that made sense. Eren was a normal human cursed with an amazing power that no human could really comprehend or live with long term. To experience everything at once and be manipulated by yourself to the extent he was I truly felt like it all made sense
This is one of the best analyses ever
Erens a great character and i truly sympathize with him , but i also cant say hes doing something wrong since i know what happens and whats gonna happen in the future (manga) but i still think he could have ended the line of titans without massacring 80 percent i honestly think the writting slipped up the ending really fucks up characters . All i hope is the anime should do an anime only ending that could truly save erens character
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
"You will always be the protagonist, but you will not always be the hero."
Great content thank you. But after reading the final chapter I can’t help but thinking that Eren was a slave to Ymir rather than freedom I mean Ymir wanted to see if someone can kill someone whom they are in love with in order to save humanity, therefore freeing herself from obeying king Fritz’s last order. That’s just my opinion.
I think the biggest thing is the protection of his people and friends … I feel like if eren is as able to just die and save everyone it would’ve happen . His actions are backed by , “ if I don’t do this my people will die “ not just the wanting of “freedom”
Just subbed amazing video
the background music is beautiful