I would agree with that statement. You could argue getting booted from his seat was "controversial", but that decision was easy for HAAS, it didn't fall into the realm of controversial.
Zhou deserves better. All those DNF's and he had highlights. At Baku he was properly fast before the engine went poof again and the way he controled that tankslapper in Monaco was genuinely epic
@@jakem5039 bottas scored the majority of his points in the first few races when the car was still competitive & zhou was still adjusting; he scored 3 points after the first 9 races. in the second half of the season zhou was much closer & occasionally beat him in both quali and the race
I honestly think he got shaken up by that terrible crash in silverstone that was a really hardcore experience for his rookie year. But he managed to move on and gone back to his initial form. Too bad the alfa cars loses its earlier competitiveness and during the first part Zhou was plaque with reliability issues.
Most wins in a season in history right, people stopped paying attention cause he didn't get the vettel streak record but he still got the total wins record 14
I'm genuinely curious to hear what the higher high of Lewis were vs Russel. I was also a bit puzzled by Zhou's ranking especially cause the argumentation was so positive. And love seeing Lando this high up, he truly made the best of the car.
Genuinely I couldn’t believe they ranked Lewis higher than George when he had clear a better season than Lewis for one he got the only merc pole this season and the only win so I’m very puzzled by this list tbh 😂
If you look only at the total points and wins it seems like Russell of course, but if you consider that Hamilton was almost exclusively saddled with experimental parts to try to manage the horrible performance of the W13 (and most of them failed, setting him back more), where he ultimately landed in average finishes and points is telling. It could go either way tbh, but I understand the argument for Ham. It's the same reason why Alonso was the better driver even though Ocon outscored him, he had car trouble that resulted in 6 DNFs compared to Ocon's 2.
Zhou's ranking here is only associated with his points. If you look closely into his season. His team strategy is no better than Leclerc's. his car in later half season is less competitive. And even with all the odds against him. He is able to follow Bottas closely and perform steadily in mid field.And he sometimes out qualified Bottas in Saturday and Sunday.Not to mention he somehow made the fastest lap in Japan, and that miracle spin save in Monaco. I believe he deserves a higher ranking here. Maybe next year when all other rookies enter the game, we can have a better comparison then.
I think many people dont realise how good Lando performed in 2022 because he was almost always better than the rest but didnt have the car to fight with the top 3 teams. We almost never actually saw him on camera during races
I’m no Lando fan, and found it laughable that some ranked him 1st in 2021 when he had a miserable second half, soundly beaten by Gasly. Yet, he did impress me this season. He was solid the whole way through, and I have him 3rd behind Leclerc. Bravo!
@@Duval-In-The-Wall He finished in the top 6 once in the last 12 races, after finishing outside the top 5 once in the first 10 races. Misfortune happens, but it doesn't excuse everything.
@@jgagnier Hungary- Bowling Spa- Too wet in quali,no race anyway Monza- P2 Russia- Rain came in out of nowhere Turkey- Ferrari were miles faster Mexico- Puncture Brazil- Puncture Qatar- Puncture Abu Dhabi- Puncture
Something that impressed me this season was the every full time driver on the grid both scored points and got into Q3 at some point, I mean, when was the last time that happened?!
2018 is the only other year since moving to top 10 score points (2010) that has had every full time driver (or even the top 20 drivers if we had 22 or 24) score points. Going back to 2008, when we switched to 3 part qualy, this is the first time with every full time driver has made Q3. This season was a truly unique!
And he would be #22 if they decided to count De Vries and Hulkenberg, his performance was pathetically weak. He is a nice guy, but lacks racecraft and pace.
"Performance level relative to machinery". It's there, guys. Good drivers with good cars does not automatically put them higher in the rankings especially if they did not perform well to their potential.
Agree, but how do we know a car's true performance if there's a big difference between teammates. Take Norris vs Riccardo for example, Is Norris extracting magic out of a mare or is he performing at the car's level? The car's actual performance level could be anywhere between Norris's performance or Riccardo's. This is why I don't trust these ratings that purport to be scientific or data driven, there'll always be wriggle room for the rater's biases to enter into it.
@@jastorman That's true, most of them are guesswork, and also well in this case, the trust of whoever rate this with Ric's not so apparent quality. I'm a Mclaren fan, and while I agree Lando generally had a great season and carried us, I think Ric having the worst season of any driver bar Latifi kind of pushed his ratings up.
@@frankmills1917unless the team is in financial trouble, the position in the team championship is too valuable (quite a few million USD) to purposely harm a second drivers performance. While there might be some differences (you want your best driver to have most chance at winning), you don't want your second driver to be too far behind. So the idea that Norris might have had a 5-10 places per race better car is bullshit. I absolutely LOVE Ricciardo, and I think he is a great driver in the right car, I simply think his driving style did not work with the McLaren. Nothing more, nothing less.
Idk how you have Zhou at 17th, behind Tsunoda and arguably Gasly aswell. Bottas is a proven solid driver & Zhou did amazing after getting more comfortable in the car after the half season mark
How can u use a word like "amazing" to describe Zhous performance? He did OK, not more. Their was literally nothing to be excited about. Not a single great or amazing performance which would justify your claim that he did "amazing".
@paper plane Idk if you are new to F1 viewer or don't pay attention to details, so let me explain. The Alfa Romeo car was pretty competitive the first 6 races. With all his expirience in F1, Bottas scored 78% of all his 2022 points in these 6 first races, meanwhile rookie Zhou with no F1 expirience took some time getting used to the major upgrade from his 2021 F2 car and didn't do as good in compared to Bottas in the start, but at around the midway point of the season, he really stepped it up & at times even outperformed Bottas, but at that point the car development at Alfa had went down the toilet so it's unfair to look at the points alone.
I agree with most of it, but Alonso could be even more close to the top, he got much more of the car that was really in it, and was the driver with most overtakings over the year.
@@christo6142 Well, although it was Alonso's fault, Ocon was weaving a little and the slight turn in the Brazil strait does make it difficult to judge. Even then though, he almost doesn't make mistakes and if given a good enough car could challenge for the title.
I would definitely give Alonso a top 5 spot. If not for horrible Alpine reliability, Alonso would have scored massive points and he was genuinely better than Ocon throughout the season. Also I believe George was the better performing Mercedes driver this season. If not for his consistency in the first half, there was no way Mercedes would have been in the fight for P2 towards the end. He had frustratingly amazing consistency in the first half (coming from an RB fan)! My top 6 would look something like this : 1. Max 2. Lando 3. Leclerc 4. George 5. Alonso 6. Lewis
Ham was experimenting with the car in the first half of the season. He also was 0.2 sec quicker than george overall this season. He dominated him in the second half but was unlucky with safety cars, DNfs and crashes. How do you give alonso excuses but not ham? biased lecrec,george and alonso should be below ham
Hamilton was faster than George and George was much luckier than Hamilton. When Lewis stopped experimenting after Baku he pretty much made Russell look like Bottas
While I partially agree, In fairness Lewis was also that low because it was him testing stuff (that not always worked) at the beginning of the season, he was quicker again later on, wouldn't really place Leclerc and Max all the way on top personally though
This is more like a rank based on team and driver performances rather than purely on driver performance. Zhou had at least a dozen points taken from him due to reliability and he’s ranked lower than both AT drivers who didn’t even outperform their car one bit. Vettel was challenging the faster Mclarens and Alpines in a tractor in some occasions on the 1st half and almost every race on the 2nd half and at least 30 points were thrown away due to AM’s terrible strategies.
How is Vettel not in your Top 10? Some of his Performances were unreal, and he actually had a somewhat competent teammate unlike Albon, and he was so close to finishing P11-P10 in the standings with a car that was not supposed to be in that position, and that is with Disaster Strategy Calls and Slow Pitstops
I don't agree on calling Stroll somewhat competent. "barely competent" would be more like it. I mean somehow he is put over Zhou and Dani who do less mistakes than him (I know Ricc's standing suffered from his horrible pace) but those whom are definetly lower than Stroll are Mick and Latifi and they are utterly incompetent.
@@tunisiandom9318 you just hate Stroll, that's it. He is better than Zhou, because Stroll can out-qualify Vettel. And outqualifying Bottas is easier than doing it to Vettel. Also, Stroll has made some really good moves in the season, but his mistakes here and there have overshadowed them
I'd have Russel above Hamilton, think I'd have had Sainz higher too based on his good judgement calls but not sure if I'd have put him above the Mercs. Also maybe Alonso higher than Hamilton? It's pretty tough without all the data. Max definitely at the top though, I think Norris is a good call as he trounced his team mate in a middling car and always seemed to be in positions that seemed a bit high for the performance. Agree with Le Clerc, turn of speed is almost unparalleled but he isn't a strategist like Sainz and makes errors under pressure.
Hamilton made one really bad mistake all year in Belgium. I would argue the Singapore crash was not as bad. Everyone who pushed that race crashed/slid out. Russel crashed on others multiple times and his one win was the one race Merc was faster. It was also in the race that Max nicked Hamilton out. Hamilton's performance in the Dutch grand prix was incredible and he was screwed by insane bad luck & two safety car deployments. Russel was good but IMO Hamilton, overall, was better even if the points don't reflect that.
@@Paulorrrrrr to me it basically hinges on how much you beleive Lewis was using horrible setups early in the year vs having a hard to adjusting to the car. If we ignore that part altogether I'd say Lewis was marginally better though.
@@Paulorrrrrr in the Dutch Grand Prix Russell matched him all race it’s just because Hamilton was further up the grid why they wasn’t closer watch the gap between them it doesn’t move
@@sigmundferd1359 is there anything to *not* believe? Russell said he was, lewis said he was, toto said he was, the lead engineers said he was, and in australia you could literally see the sensors on his car during the race. At this point someone would just have to be a hamilton hater to not "believe" that hamilton was doing experiments on setup during the season.
I don't get all these rankings. George has been consistently faster or on pace with Hamilton, George outscored him in the championship, George has 1 pole while Hamilton has 0, George has 1 win while Hamilton has 0. Yet most rankings put Hamilton above George? I seriously think this is purely to not piss off the LH44 fans at this point. George had an insane season. Absolutely bonkers considering this is his first year in Mercedes and he beat Lewis on EVERY SINGLE FRONT.
With a good car and Norris, I can see F1 having a big 4 instead of big 3 teams. Norris is so talented, and Mclaren has the resources and expertise, but they need to execute.
Great list. Only thing I would change is putting Russel in front of Hamilton, because it was the reality. Hamiltons gap in points reflects mistakes and not bad luck as 2 of the DNFs were self inflicted. Plus Russel was faster in the first part of the season and pn the same level in the second part. So overall, objectively speaking, Russel was the better driver this year.
worst drivers to best drivers in 2022 crash into walls/own teammate tier: (aka doesn’t belong in F1 tier) 21 latifi 20 ricciardo 19 stroll 18 schumacher 17 ocon ultimately let down by car/reliability/team tier: 17 hulkenberg 16 zhou 15 tsunoda 14 devries 13 gasly 12 albon 11 kmag 10 bottas 9 vettel a to s tier drivers: 8 hamilton - took teammate to school on pace 7 alonso - pace challenged both mercs often 6 russle - made his teammate look washed on points 5 sainz - able to pick up race wins/ strong points 4 perez - able to pick up race wins/ strong points 3 leclerc - better at qualifying than winning 2 norris - hard carried mclaren by himself 1 verstappen - wins races from p14
I’m calling it, I respect and enjoy the content you guys put out, but you underrated Zhou. Should be at least 4 places higher. He never crashed the car on his own, ONCE. He had the measure of his vastly more experienced teammate in quali and race for several races from Baku onward. Like Alonso, he also had rotten luck, from being crashed out in the Imola sprint and his car failing multiple times. Highly likely he would have added to his points tally. Looking forward to see where his career goes from here. 🇨🇳
their rating it's so crap. doesn't take into account car to performance ratio over the season luck and skill sets. Haas was only good at the beginning of the season but Mag extracted some important points when it mattered, even scored freaking pole , that's alone is amazing. Team who scored zero points and end up last , last year. Plus he was out for a year and the rule changes. So many factors. Aston Martin was a crap car but Vettel was doing wonders when he could. Alonso was Alonso and done some brilliant moves , unfortunately reliability of a car doesn't let him get higher in the standings. Zhou was the only rookie in a season in Alfa while Bottas done best job he could even outperform Mercedes at the beggining , funds and upgrades run out extremely fast too. these guys should be much higher for just that matter. Russell coming 4th or 5th when porpoising was a big issue for merc for a long time. I think was the last team to sort it out.
Years ago I might have argued that never crashing your cars might mean that he is not fighting and defending hard enough and leaving points on the board, but since the budget cap a rarely crashing driver is a huge skill to have.
So Carlos had “unique demands” in the Ferrari but Checo underperformed flat out? This list could’ve been done better imo. By that logic, if Perez won the championship, he maybe would’ve been placed 5th on your list 😂
@@2Xboti something that a top tier driver should be able to overcome, especially when they literally started branching the design philosophy to try to help him catch back up
Because Hamilton had better stats/pace in both Quali and Race. Even with a car missing pieces of the floor, he finished just 1.3s behind his teammate with a perfectly fine car in Brazil
Because speed and performance isn't about points. It's about measuring qualifying pace and race pace. Which are metrics casual observers don't follow or take into consideration.
If you judge f1 that way then you don’t understand this sport. You can’t judge f1 with stats and results cos they do not show the true picture case in point Hamilton, Alonso, lando and albon to some point
The fact that he could somewhat perform early while hamilton was struggling to do anything with the car shows how good Russell is and will become. I agree with you on this one.
Ham above Rus? Rus suffered more DNFs. Ham made more mistakes. Despite all of these, Rus got a pole and a win and beat Ham in points. Ham's second half of the season form couldn't beat Rus's first half of the season form. If you consider the peak performance, Rus got a pole and a win. If you consider the consistency, Rus beat Ham in points even after suffering more DNFs. And this is Rus's first season with Merc. I think Rus should be P2 or P3. I'm sorry. After I've posted this, I check the number of Rus's number of DNFs. I was wrong. But I still have to say, in this season Rus outperformed Ham clearly. Let's wait and see another season who will be the better driver.
Lewis had 2 DnF's and Russell only 1. I agree that Russell was better than in terms of consistency in races and point accumulation. So in the races George was better. But in qualifying despite Russell's pole, Hamilton beat George 13-9 in qualifying. Close but showed on Saturday he's the faster driver.
As much as I like Russell, I think it's a stretch to say that he "clearly outperformed Hamilton." On the whole, they are very well matched, with Hamilton perhaps having the edge in outright speed. IMHO it's the strongest driver pairing on the grid and I doubt Mercedes could be happier.
Hamilton’s first half of the season form was largely compromised by a string of bad safety car luck that propped up George and taking on more experimental set ups than George to try help Mercedes fix the W13 Hamilton according to AWS was the driver closest to extracting the most out of his car all year (this is due in part to Verstappen being able to coast some victories ahead in free air) If anything Hamilton should be higher, probably 3rd best
mind you hamilton ran experimental setups for half the season and when the car was more competative lewis was always the one closer to wins look at zandvoort cota silverstone mexico france hungary, just because rus got the win and pole doesnt make him better look at kmag he was very good this season even got pole but i wouldnt put him above someone like alonso or ocon who didnt get any poles or podiums
Norris in second place?! lmao give me some of whatever you're smoking. "If there was a driver who was going to deliver a brilliant drive to seventh place it was going to be Norris". No it wasn't. Most of the times the brilliant drives came from Alonso who would then be let down by Alpine. I can't fathom the delusion of putting Norris in second place. He has done nothing except beating a Ricciardo who was literally driving slower than most grandma's at some points of the season. Ricciardo was sometimes as slow as the Williams and the Haas pairing. "Demolishing" that version of Ricciardo is barely an achievement.
Nah gasly was only that low bc of this car.. we all know what he’s capable of in the right car. Perez was too low on this list and zhou and how Lewis was ahead of George is beyond me😂
I think 19th for Schumacher is a bit harsh since he was much closer to his teammate then the likes of Ricciardo and Zhou. And Haas got much slower towards the end of the season when he was as fast and faster than Kmag
He make too many mistakes, crash too much which cost the team a lot of money and didn't get the full out of the car like kmag did in the first couple races.
Not to forget all the fuck ups from Haas that season that cost Mick points finishes. But oddly enough neither the Race or british media in general ever take that up when it comes to Mick. Its always about the crashes that get blown way out of proportions. But I’m not surprised. The narrative was set from the beginning. I hope Haas has a horrible 2023 season. They deserve it.
TheRace getting back at Checo after he critisized them after singapore. Reason to put him in 9th was him not getting 2nd spot but no credit to him helping with first constructors. Sainz crashed way more times and made way more errors than checo but he got higher.
Lewis spent the first part of the season running experimental parts. Once Mercedes stopped using him as a guinea big, Lewis started outperforming George and outqualifying him on a regular basis, sometimes by half a second.
You need to take into account races 2-8 were enforced test sessions with horrendous prototype cars for Hamilton. Mercedes had no choice and it needed to be done.
Hamilton haters trying to prove Russel is the better driver with 0 fucking proof (except only 3 races) Azerbeijan(he had lower rear height therefore more bouncing), Saudi(setup), Imola(drs train)
He took one of the slower midfield cars to 7th more times then not and Riccardo was back in 15th with the same car. Similar to latifi and albon gap in performance
@@bradweinberger6907 Not disputing his 2nd place on this list, but "one of the slower midfield cars"? If your midfield includes McLaren and Alpine then kinda yes... but McLaren comfortably beat all other 5 teams.
Are you new to F1? If you are new - that's OK but if you have followed F1 for more than 6 weeks you'll know that 7 times world champion was asked to do all the testing and set up while the junior guy was asked to focus on racing. Bet real fans will still be explaining this in 10 years time.
@@Plugitinbby He has the 4/5th best car and basically had a quiet season driving in the middle of no where. He's not outperforming the car, Ric is so much underperforming that people think the car is bad so Lando must be amazing.
So over "hE iS OuT pErfOrMiNg ThE CaR" maybe he is sometimes but I've seen him end up in the power rankings in the top five after crashing his car and it's his fault The bias is what makes people dislike him. He takes out Charles in Brazil, and still makes it into the top 10 in the power rankings. In a car that's not competitive and just sits in no man's land. Lando may be out performing the car but we don't know that because there's no way to gauge his performance cuz Danny Ricardo is absolutely terrible. Sorry if you're Danny Ricardo fan but he has been bad and has never performed in the car. When lando was up against Carlos they were pretty equal Carlos is a number two at best. Then Danny Ricardo goes to McLaren in all of a sudden lando Norris is the king of F1 and in the top three in the power rankings every week no matter what he does he can qualify terrible finish out of the points crash the car top three in the power rankings. It's an absolute joke and this is an absolute joke, I know you're taking finishing order out of it and I know that they're taking the equipment out of it, and he did outperform his teammate but that's the only thing he did. George outperformed his teammate all season! Yet finishes behind Lewis Hamilton. And yet they both somehow finish behind lando.
@bazictv yeah but that was obvious bad luck for Alonso by anyone's view. Anyone who watched the season saw Russell outperforming Hamilton right out of the gate.
You gave rather good compliments to Zhou, with his only drawback of being not being flashy enough. Outqualifying his teammate consistently by the end of the season, him being a rookie, and taking reliability into consideration should rate Zhou much much higher.
No way Lewis is ranked above George this season. George was much more consistent. The points gap between the two tells a pretty good story, not the whole story but enough in my opinion.
Imagine - taking the only pole of your team in a season - taking the only win of your team in a season - beating your team mate in points - still being ranked worse 😂😂
Hamilton was literally marginally better than Russell. After he stopped experimenting he made him look like Bottas effectivelly. He only won in Brazil because he screwed Lewis in quali. He only finished ahead because he had tons of luck all season, he only got the pole because Hamilton had a drs problem at that particular q3.
I'm guessing Ricciardo performed better than Norris last season because he won a race and Lando didn't. If you look at the bigger picture rather than final driver standings, you'll know why Hamilton and Alonso are ranked higher than their teammates.
I would put Russell in front of Hamilton. Remember that this was Russell's FIRST season at Mercedes and he was immidiately on the pace beating Hamilton quite consistently. He won a race, Lewis did not. Overall Russell was more impressive then Hamilton in 2022.
I would've put Checo a little higher. Red Bull gave him a different floor than Max during a long period of the season and his strategy always seemed a little off other than Monaco.
I’d argue Russell deserves the number 3 spot - not only did he drag Mercedes demonstrably worse than the RB/Ferrari into places higher than it had any right to be, beat Hamilton in his first season at a new team and got his maiden win with a storming drive in Brazil, but his consistency was unparalleled: Russell only finished lower than 5th three times the whole season - the DNF in Silverstone, 14th in Singapore and 8th in Japan. That's a 5th place or better finishing rate of 86% alongside a podium rate of 36%. Even more impressive than the top 5 streak between Bahrain and Monaco is that had it not been for that DNF in Silverstone, that streak would have extended until Singapore - 17 races in a row. The man's consistency is insane.
I'm more a fan of Lewis than George but biases aside I would say that for George's first proper season with Mercedes, next to a 7-time world champion, outscoring him on merit, getting Mercedes' only win of the season on merit, and considering each driver's standing relative to their 2021 season...I'd have to say George overall wins. I want to see Lewis comeback in 2023 and challenge, nay win, his 8th title but just assessing the 2022 season I have to say George did a great job. He certainly proved he was the better choice over Bottas.
The fact that it was his first season in the team doesnt really matter since the cars were completely new this year. Plus Russell has been with Mercedes for a long time. Hamilton was faster both on Saturdays and Sundays still at 37.
@@kj48tiger I knew someone would chime in with this comment. Fortunately I can saying that I did consider all these points but still it doesn't matter. The points don't lie, the win doesn't lie, the stats don't lie. Doesn't matter how long George has been "with" Mercedes, next to Lewis he's a rookie to the team which makes George's accomplishments all the more impressive. Keep in mind George adapted to the initial horribly purpoising car better than Lewis. Anyway, like I said, I'm more of a Lewis fan and I do think Lewis won the second half of the season once Mercedes improved the car but I won't let that blind me to George's accomplishments.
If we're going rank drivers off the mistakes, general pace, and consistency throughout the season, then both Russell and Alonso should be ranked ahead of Hamilton who had a ton of on track incidents and mistakes, even taking into account a strong second half.
Because every avg f1 knows the main reason for George being ahead of Lewis is , Lewis helping team in the 1st half of the season to understand the car with experimental setups, while George running with traditional , faster setups, and some unlucky safety cars that helped George, by ruining Lewis races like , Australia, Miami, zandvoort.. and Lewis showed he is miles ahead of George in 2and half of the season... like finishing P2 from P7 in hungery, while gorge ended up out side of podium places from P1.. and holding checo to FINISH P2 in Mexico with hard tyres, while George didn't even close to checo with same strategy.. and finishing P2 from P6 or P8 in Brazil (thanx to max).. ofcourse he made some mistakes, and appreciate George's super consistency. But Lewis marginally ahead of George. Ahh, don't worry u r not goanna understand it, u will do when u grow up
Ocon, Alonso, Hamilton and Sainz all performed better than Perez? Excuse me? I know this is all just opinion, but like, almost 2nd in the standings, 2 race wins, a handful of pole positions.... like, come on, man!
Yeah, Singapore. Where the team called Seb into pits just as he was about to outqualify Stroll, to put him on the wrong tyres. And where Seb was way faster and ahead of Stroll in the race, just to get fucked by strategy so Lance finishes ahead.
Leclerc paying the price for Ferrari's incompetence in his own ranking does not seem fair. Many strategic calls robbed him victories (at least Silverstone and Monaco) and the two mistakes he made which only affected him shouldn't put him behind Norris who had also many crashes (He took out Gasly in Miami and nearly took out Charles in Brazil, he crashed in Emilia Romagna qualifying also). It overall does not seem fair.
The driver is the one in the car. They ultimately make the final call, the video is right he IS too passive. Sainz basically told the pit wall to f-off multiple times this year, le Clerc did as he was told always.
@@henrypeters3663 How is it Gasly's fault ? Gasly has been on the track for a corner already so he is not "rejoining" and Norris is overtaking him, Gasly was on the racing line ... Norris just did not move enough to the left... look at Gasly onboard he was steering to the right and he was on same line as the cars ahead.
I agree that HAM and RUS were close, but I would place RUS ahead of HAM based on this season as a whole. Yes, in the last quarter of the season HAM probably had higher peaks in general. But for me he was clearly struggling to keep up with RUS in the first half, possibly even the first 3/4 of the season, and that put him behind overall.
Best ranking and analysis I've seen so far. Agree with the substantive comments. Nice analysis. I agree with other comments that Zhou could be argued to be a little higher.
Can't believe Russell was placed below Hamilton. First season in the car up against Lewis Hamilton and he manages to beat him and score the only win for the team. Made some brilliant strategic decisions as well.
I undertstood their rationale. George was great but Hamilton when given an equal chance and when mercedes had somewhat stabilzed their messy car - Hamilton outperformed George
@@jakelex1177 he may well have done but in the context of this being george's first season and up against Hamilton in Hamilton's team. I'm afraid that's just not good enough in my eyes.
Crazy you think it's his best season ever when he got crushed by his teammate. I'd say his best season yet is the one that swayed redbull into giving him a race seat, his 2020 season. He comfortably beat Stroll and for the majority of the season got the most out of the car, with some magical tire-managment focused drives. He has been much slower than Max, and he doesn't seem to have gotten the grip of the new 18", so his magical skill to preserving the tires hasn't been found yet. No fucking way you're telling me this is Perez best season ever, even Perez himself knows this isn't his best season.
Lando ahead of Leclerc, goes to show you the best attribute you can have in F1 is a British passport. Guarantees the media will run propaganda for you.
Didn't Leclerc get close to maximising his potential points tally with the tools at his disposal? Sure a lot of the blame for that goes to the team but certainly not all of it.
Funny how George finished ahead of Hamilton and nobody is reacting the same as they did with Fernando and Lewis when they were teamates. The double standarts!
Maybe it’s because that was Lewis’ first season in the sport? Unless you followed GP2, he was a relative unknown but went toe to toe with the reigning WDC in his prime. George is more of a known quantity having been in the sport for a few years. We know he’s absolutely rapid so his performance against Lewis isn’t a shock. Then there are other factors to take into consideration, such as experimenting with setups. I think over the final 14 races Lewis best George 10-4 in qualifying and 9-5 in races. So there are differences between the two which would make on less impressive than the other. I hope they’re both fighting are the from next year!
Lewis was a rookie. Russell already has 3 seasons of experience in the Williams and had done plenty of testing and simulator work for Merc before joining them this year.
@@areebsiddiqui758 - yes, and Alonso had been in the sport for 5 years with 2 titles, while Lewis has been in the sport for 15 and has 7 titles. The experience gap is comparable, but the performance differential was far more pronounced between Hamilton and Russell than it ever was between Hamilton and Alonso.
Perez's season was way better than Ocon, Alonso, Russell, Hamilton and Sainz's. I gotta give credit to George for consistency, but Perez's season was up there given the direction that RedBull developed the car towards Verstappen's liking
I'd put Hamilton in front too.. Most mistakes were Ferrari's, but Leclerc made some crucial mistakes this season and he knows that. If Norris was in the other Redbull I bet it would've been exciting as f**.
@@joepiedepoepie1234 All drivers made mistakes..Ham and Norris included....it only depends on how much they push over the limit of the car..the one's of Lec look worse because, at that time, he was leading the championship 💁🏻♀️....In my mind, it was an amazing season for Lec..having always fought against Redbull and, sometimes, against it's his own team as well
I think they took into account the fact that Lewis was testing for the first half. I think he would have beaten Russ on points if they hadnt done that imo.
How Leclerc can be ahead of the Mercedes pair, despite his many errors and intermittent poor performances despite a far superior car to the Mercedes for most of the year is baffling.
@@mo215300 there was more than that, I can count the crash in France, spinning off and causing damage in Italy, plus unnecessary contact in Britain alone. Unforced spins, poor lap sectors when it mattered, a lack of personal confidence that showed on track at times. They might have only been small and relatively unnoticed by many, but in a title fight in a competitive car, he never deserved to come close to winning.
@@Heathen.Deity. I can do the same for other drivers like max Russell etc. hahaha and despite that got p2 in drivers fact is you can hate him as much as you want but can’t deny his talent if ferrari sort their shit out he will kick the fields butt
@@mo215300 the fact you’ve resorted instantly to “you must hate him” the second your two mistake argument was an instant flop, shows you’re too immature for me to bother with you anymore.
There is a point to be made that Norris managed to take so much out of a uncompetitive car. However considering how badly things went for his team mate the gap is deceptive everything went wrong for Riccardo.
That McLaren has loads of pace. It's the setup and development path under Andreas that's ruined its driveability and ultimately stopped them from achieving 3rd place if they took Daniel's recommendations. Lando would be a race winner if they developed the car to Daniel's recommendations.
With Russel being new to the team and still regularly outpacing a 7 time world champion, I would've put him on #2 in between Norris and Verstappen. Makes no sense to rank him worse than Hamilton.
Are you new to F1? If you are new - that's OK but if you have followed F1 for more than 6 weeks you'll know that 7 times world champion was asked to do all the testing and set up while the junior guy was asked to focus on racing. Bet real fans will still be explaining this in 10 years time.
Hamilton consistently outperformed Russell after Baku. São Paulo was the only exception to that. I think it’s clear that The Race’s ranking reflects that Hamilton took the brunt of the efforts to fix the W13. In other words, they argue that Russell ran ahead early because he effectively had the more raceable version of the car to work with. I think that argument has some merit. Can understand how others might disagree though.
@@fablewalls oh damn you're so cool and knowledgeable. Wow. Dude, stop gatekeeping. We're talking about what's happening on track, that's what's being judged. Russel even made a couple of strategic calls during the races which ended up giving him the edge. All these rankings are highly subjective, people will not always agree with you, deal with it.
@@cy9nvs "We're talking about what's happening on track" And one driver is asked to focus on racing and getting the best results. Does that not mean anything to you? Thought not. Stick to DtS mate, your level of knowledge is showing.
Perez is being judged too harshly. The problem for Perez is that, unless Verstappen has any misfortune, he will always finish behind Verstappen in the race. That means that when the Red Bull is the better car at best Perez will get 3 more points than Leclerc, but whenever Ferrari had the better car Perez is likely to lose about 10-13 points to Leclerc. And lets not forget that for the first half of the season Ferrari statistically had the quicker car.
5th/6th at best? He's 3rd at best and realistically should be around 4th or 5th. Easily better than Perez and Sainz for being the only driver outside the top 3 teams with a podium and 100+ points in an awful car as opposed to the other 2 who struggled to win races in cars that were a second faster than the rest of the field.
What a surprise, you managed to do some mental gymnastics where Hamilton was better than Russell this season, despite the latter getting Mercedes only pole position and win this season AND finishing ahead of Lewis in the drivers championship in his very first season with Mercedes. I swear down the vast majority of the press here in the UK are on Lewis's payroll, the amount of endless fawning he receives from you is just pathetic and nauseating in equal measure.
Hamilton better than George…. Wow, a slip of bias in this one. George adapted to the car way quicker, Hamiltons experience came through later in the season as he adapted to the car but still it took him a lot longer to adapt than George. In the race that George won as well Hamilton couldn’t keep up with him, every time he gained George just pushed a little and regained the gap.
Bottas is an exceptional qualifier, and is slightly less proficient at racing. We've seen this from his years against Hamilton, sometimes out qualifying him but virtually never out racing him.
No way does Hamilton outrank Russel. Sure he was better at the end but Russel stomped him first half of the season. Also Perez 9th? He was obviously outperformed by Verstappen but not 9th for sure.
People forget that were we see the best perfomances isn't at the front, you have less competition, only one or two other drivers per race, the worse your car is should climb you up the order
Zhou should have been in the top 9, he drove like a consummate veteran in his first season. He took all the points available to him & rescued a P11-13 from the fire more than q few times. Name a rookie who did better than him in their first season in the last 10yrs ...
how can you rank Hamilton above Russell - Russell was a rookie in the mercedes and finished higher in the table, got mercedes only Pole and win of the season.
How can u guys put Hamilton higher then Russel? Russel was all year long consisten also with the hopping W13 and never cryied that much like Hamilton. He even won a race and it was his 1st Year at Merc. I cant stand all those Hamilton fans anymore. And Lando on 2, Fernando on 6 is another talk we should have. Leclerc derserved P2, if he´s not getting Ferrarid he even could´ve competed with Max What a Ranking. Sorry guys but you missed out
Hamilton was the slightly better driver overall. More podiums and better race pace on most weekends after the experiments stopped in Canada. Also blew away Mr Saturday in qualifying.
Hamilton was faster and better than him this year. Without the setup experimentation he did in first half season he would be ahead. Did you forget all the bad luck and unlucky safety he had. George had pole but Lewis would be on pole Without drs issue. Same thing for his win in brazil. Hamilton did performance that russell couldn't like spain or hungary. Russell also did more mistakes than him and cried as much as Lewis
@@pythonquark he didn't really blow him away. The gap was like .101 seconds over the first half of the season and .006 over the second half. I agree Lewis deserved to be ranked higher than George but he definitely didn't blow George away. Merc was the team with the smallest overall margin between the qualifying times of the 2 drivers.
@No¹ Alright, "blew him away" was a bit much but he was slightly quicker two-thirds of the time. 11-5 to Hamilton in undisrupted qualifying sessions is pretty comprehensive even if he was only half a tenth quicker on average.
10:10 I mean this is an interesting take. Lewis had higher peaks? Despite George winning? And earning a pole? Despite lewis missing a pole and win in a season for the first time in his career? Despite lewis having one more podium than George but missing points more often? If you’re factoring in his testing program early I don’t object but if you’re going to do that, you just quantify it. Expressing that compensates for his objectively worse performance comparatively is a bold statement. Maybe not unfounded but if one had to say, it feels more incorrect than correct so it would serve the take better to explain how you got there. Otherwise it’s just hard to even remotely accept seriously
Hamilton was definitely better and faster than him. Without the sacrifice he did in first half season. He would be much ahead of russell. Since canada you can clearly see who is the better driver
@@alexlacl8730 yeah, whatever gimnastics you do to prove Hamilton's worth, he was worse than Russell, end of story. Winless season too, great driver in great machinery, good driver in good machinery
@@MrAsus4870 as a russell fan, you have to realize that hamilton spent a large portion of the season allowing himself to be a guinea pig for the team, and for the car's development, which makes it hard to use points as a fair metric.
The bias knows no bounds for the British media and Lewis. Classic Lulu outscored, more poles and wins for George but the Brits got his back. Lewis crashed or had contact 9 times
Mazepin's season was great, too. Zero Crashes, no teammate shenanigans and he avoided any controversy.
KasuKasu's season also great, PlittHD.
Mmmmmm......One BIG contoversy imo haha!
He became a moving chicane though lol
@@Amm17ar He avoided all controversy on track at least
I would agree with that statement. You could argue getting booted from his seat was "controversial", but that decision was easy for HAAS, it didn't fall into the realm of controversial.
Zhou should’ve been ahead of Yuki, less mistakes, good rookie season like Yuki, Yuki crashed more this season.
He had a shittier car and did miracles with it despite the crashes
Zhou was simply slow...
@@baulbvb the, you
@@baulbvb shutup
zhou was dreadful
Zhou deserves better. All those DNF's and he had highlights. At Baku he was properly fast before the engine went poof again and the way he controled that tankslapper in Monaco was genuinely epic
Zhou got destroyed by Bottas though
@@jakem5039 bottas scored the majority of his points in the first few races when the car was still competitive & zhou was still adjusting; he scored 3 points after the first 9 races. in the second half of the season zhou was much closer & occasionally beat him in both quali and the race
I honestly think he got shaken up by that terrible crash in silverstone
that was a really hardcore experience for his rookie year.
But he managed to move on and gone back to his initial form.
Too bad the alfa cars loses its earlier competitiveness and during the first part Zhou was plaque with reliability issues.
@@jakem5039 I guess we're here because the final points doesn't tell everything. Hope you can understand.
the crash in silverstone set the team back a lot, that chassis was properly fast, shame it got destroyed in the crash
Finally a F1 format that starts with Latifi.
Perfection dear sir
The starting grid this year
No matter your opinion of Max, hard to deny his season was absolute dominant
His treatment of Checo makes him an absolute wanker.
Most wins in a season in history right, people stopped paying attention cause he didn't get the vettel streak record but he still got the total wins record 14
Yeah.. I wanted Charles to win but it's hard to deny that Max and the car were just on another level this season.
@@TheGooGaming 15
true, not a fan but he had a great season and 100% deserved this title
Latifi in 20th. I did not see this coming
Latifi just had some bad luck. Abu dhabi 21 he was fenomenal
@@Robin-Visser phenomenal by triggering his own crashgate??
Had to mention, he was only using 10% of his power this season
@@Robin-Visser I see truth in what you say because in 2021 Latifi turned the championship battle on its head and changed the outcome.
🤣🤣🤣
I'm genuinely curious to hear what the higher high of Lewis were vs Russel. I was also a bit puzzled by Zhou's ranking especially cause the argumentation was so positive. And love seeing Lando this high up, he truly made the best of the car.
Genuinely I couldn’t believe they ranked Lewis higher than George when he had clear a better season than Lewis for one he got the only merc pole this season and the only win so I’m very puzzled by this list tbh 😂
Yep makes no sense at all, George’s first season in the merc too.
If you look only at the total points and wins it seems like Russell of course, but if you consider that Hamilton was almost exclusively saddled with experimental parts to try to manage the horrible performance of the W13 (and most of them failed, setting him back more), where he ultimately landed in average finishes and points is telling. It could go either way tbh, but I understand the argument for Ham. It's the same reason why Alonso was the better driver even though Ocon outscored him, he had car trouble that resulted in 6 DNFs compared to Ocon's 2.
He is a Lewis fan and it hurts him to accept that George beat him
@@jessetaylor4357 Lewis was quicker in quali and had more racepace
Zhou's ranking here is only associated with his points. If you look closely into his season. His team strategy is no better than Leclerc's. his car in later half season is less competitive. And even with all the odds against him. He is able to follow Bottas closely and perform steadily in mid field.And he sometimes out qualified Bottas in Saturday and Sunday.Not to mention he somehow made the fastest lap in Japan, and that miracle spin save in Monaco. I believe he deserves a higher ranking here. Maybe next year when all other rookies enter the game, we can have a better comparison then.
Yeah the ranking is shit, gasly did horrible too and he gets better ranking than zhou lol
I think many people dont realise how good Lando performed in 2022 because he was almost always better than the rest but didnt have the car to fight with the top 3 teams. We almost never actually saw him on camera during races
I’m no Lando fan, and found it laughable that some ranked him 1st in 2021 when he had a miserable second half, soundly beaten by Gasly.
Yet, he did impress me this season. He was solid the whole way through, and I have him 3rd behind Leclerc. Bravo!
Tbf he didn't have to fight others by that logic too, since he was much faster than everyone but Alpine, and Alpine had so many mechanical DNFs
@@jgagnier
Lando had 4 punctures in his last 7 Grand Prix, this derailed him and the team that season
@@Duval-In-The-Wall He finished in the top 6 once in the last 12 races, after finishing outside the top 5 once in the first 10 races.
Misfortune happens, but it doesn't excuse everything.
@@jgagnier
Hungary- Bowling
Spa- Too wet in quali,no race anyway
Monza- P2
Russia- Rain came in out of nowhere
Turkey- Ferrari were miles faster
Mexico- Puncture
Brazil- Puncture
Qatar- Puncture
Abu Dhabi- Puncture
Something that impressed me this season was the every full time driver on the grid both scored points and got into Q3 at some point, I mean, when was the last time that happened?!
In 2018, every single driver scored points, don’t know about Q3 tho.
2018 is the only other year since moving to top 10 score points (2010) that has had every full time driver (or even the top 20 drivers if we had 22 or 24) score points. Going back to 2008, when we switched to 3 part qualy, this is the first time with every full time driver has made Q3. This season was a truly unique!
even more of a fun fact: Latifi was NOT the last full time driver to get a Q3, that honour fell to Albon instead
@@Wizzkidwas Proves Latifi‘s the goat
Funnily enough Latifi reached a Q3 but no Q2... other than that one time of course.
You got Latifi right, that's about it.
And he would be #22 if they decided to count De Vries and Hulkenberg, his performance was pathetically weak. He is a nice guy, but lacks racecraft and pace.
got max right too
Norris second? Hamilton ahead of Russel? 😂 What is this guy on?
@@erospetercsaba Hamilton is the one they listen to fix the car in the first half one the season. When the car was fixed Lewis was a lot faster.
@@erospetercsaba So do you agree ocon is ahead of alonso?
"Performance level relative to machinery". It's there, guys. Good drivers with good cars does not automatically put them higher in the rankings especially if they did not perform well to their potential.
Yep. For that i do agree.
Agree, but how do we know a car's true performance if there's a big difference between teammates. Take Norris vs Riccardo for example, Is Norris extracting magic out of a mare or is he performing at the car's level? The car's actual performance level could be anywhere between Norris's performance or Riccardo's. This is why I don't trust these ratings that purport to be scientific or data driven, there'll always be wriggle room for the rater's biases to enter into it.
@@jastorman That's true, most of them are guesswork, and also well in this case, the trust of whoever rate this with Ric's not so apparent quality. I'm a Mclaren fan, and while I agree Lando generally had a great season and carried us, I think Ric having the worst season of any driver bar Latifi kind of pushed his ratings up.
@@jastorman It would be interesting to know how different or the same both cars of mclaren are.
@@frankmills1917unless the team is in financial trouble, the position in the team championship is too valuable (quite a few million USD) to purposely harm a second drivers performance. While there might be some differences (you want your best driver to have most chance at winning), you don't want your second driver to be too far behind. So the idea that Norris might have had a 5-10 places per race better car is bullshit. I absolutely LOVE Ricciardo, and I think he is a great driver in the right car, I simply think his driving style did not work with the McLaren. Nothing more, nothing less.
Idk how you have Zhou at 17th, behind Tsunoda and arguably Gasly aswell. Bottas is a proven solid driver & Zhou did amazing after getting more comfortable in the car after the half season mark
Pretty ez, Zhou got half as many points
@@adamjulian_drifts Points doesn't mean anything without context. So you mean Ocon was better than Alonso then?
How can u use a word like "amazing" to describe Zhous performance? He did OK, not more. Their was literally nothing to be excited about. Not a single great or amazing performance which would justify your claim that he did "amazing".
@paper plane Idk if you are new to F1 viewer or don't pay attention to details, so let me explain. The Alfa Romeo car was pretty competitive the first 6 races. With all his expirience in F1, Bottas scored 78% of all his 2022 points in these 6 first races, meanwhile rookie Zhou with no F1 expirience took some time getting used to the major upgrade from his 2021 F2 car and didn't do as good in compared to Bottas in the start, but at around the midway point of the season, he really stepped it up & at times even outperformed Bottas, but at that point the car development at Alfa had went down the toilet so it's unfair to look at the points alone.
He DNF’ed in the points in Baku, he was just behind Vettel when he retired and Vettel went on to finish p6, so that’s 6 points minimum lost for Zhou
I agree with most of it, but Alonso could be even more close to the top, he got much more of the car that was really in it, and was the driver with most overtakings over the year.
Ahead of Russell in 5th Maybe?
Even when his car dnf'd like 6 times.
Alonso > Russell, even at his lowest he never had weekends like Russell in Singapore or COTA
He also drove into the back of his team mate for no reason ha ha. The USA drive alone should put him in 5th or higher though
@@christo6142 Well, although it was Alonso's fault, Ocon was weaving a little and the slight turn in the Brazil strait does make it difficult to judge. Even then though, he almost doesn't make mistakes and if given a good enough car could challenge for the title.
I would definitely give Alonso a top 5 spot. If not for horrible Alpine reliability, Alonso would have scored massive points and he was genuinely better than Ocon throughout the season. Also I believe George was the better performing Mercedes driver this season. If not for his consistency in the first half, there was no way Mercedes would have been in the fight for P2 towards the end. He had frustratingly amazing consistency in the first half (coming from an RB fan)! My top 6 would look something like this :
1. Max
2. Lando
3. Leclerc
4. George
5. Alonso
6. Lewis
Ham was experimenting with the car in the first half of the season. He also was 0.2 sec quicker than george overall this season. He dominated him in the second half but was unlucky with safety cars, DNfs and crashes. How do you give alonso excuses but not ham? biased lecrec,george and alonso should be below ham
Hamilton was faster than George and George was much luckier than Hamilton. When Lewis stopped experimenting after Baku he pretty much made Russell look like Bottas
@@James-gr5mx Simply because Ham never took his car where is did not belong. But I agree LeClerc should certainly be below Ham & Alonso in my opinion.
While I partially agree, In fairness Lewis was also that low because it was him testing stuff (that not always worked) at the beginning of the season, he was quicker again later on, wouldn't really place Leclerc and Max all the way on top personally though
well, you got first and last correct. The other 18 tho, very questionable...
All our lists would be questionable to others... that's what makes this discussion so interesting to have.
@@soundscape26 agree. Agree.
I'd rank lando above Max. Max had a car which eclipsed the rest of the field. Lando was dragging the McLaren to positions it shouldn't have been in
@@dahorn100011 Swap them and i don't believe Max can do what Norris do
@@riddif lol. What has Max done that makes you believe this.
Max has never been slow in any of the cars he has driven.
This is more like a rank based on team and driver performances rather than purely on driver performance. Zhou had at least a dozen points taken from him due to reliability and he’s ranked lower than both AT drivers who didn’t even outperform their car one bit. Vettel was challenging the faster Mclarens and Alpines in a tractor in some occasions on the 1st half and almost every race on the 2nd half and at least 30 points were thrown away due to AM’s terrible strategies.
Honestly I would have swapped Zhou and Stroll, Zhou never really set a foot wrong, and Stroll had quite a few Daddy's Crash moments.
How is Vettel not in your Top 10? Some of his Performances were unreal, and he actually had a somewhat competent teammate unlike Albon, and he was so close to finishing P11-P10 in the standings with a car that was not supposed to be in that position, and that is with Disaster Strategy Calls and Slow Pitstops
I don't agree on calling Stroll somewhat competent. "barely competent" would be more like it. I mean somehow he is put over Zhou and Dani who do less mistakes than him (I know Ricc's standing suffered from his horrible pace) but those whom are definetly lower than Stroll are Mick and Latifi and they are utterly incompetent.
@@tunisiandom9318 you just hate Stroll, that's it. He is better than Zhou, because Stroll can out-qualify Vettel. And outqualifying Bottas is easier than doing it to Vettel. Also, Stroll has made some really good moves in the season, but his mistakes here and there have overshadowed them
@@arindamsaha7062 True
His first half of the season was terrible.
@@govindbhachu4077 Bruh, his Car was the 2nd worst Car on the Grid, how much do you expect to get out of it apart from a Few rare Points finishes?
Alonso in 6th is a yoke! A YOKE!
Alonso should've been 19th.
@@purwantiallan5089 you seem to have accidentally added a 9 there, surely you meant first, right?
zilly boyz
A yoke is the piece tha joins an ox to the cart. I agree. Alonso has been pulling the car and the whole team to some results pulling like an ox.
@@patosentado9665 he pulled his teammate ahead of himself in the standings. What a hero!
I'd have Russel above Hamilton, think I'd have had Sainz higher too based on his good judgement calls but not sure if I'd have put him above the Mercs. Also maybe Alonso higher than Hamilton? It's pretty tough without all the data. Max definitely at the top though, I think Norris is a good call as he trounced his team mate in a middling car and always seemed to be in positions that seemed a bit high for the performance. Agree with Le Clerc, turn of speed is almost unparalleled but he isn't a strategist like Sainz and makes errors under pressure.
Hamilton made one really bad mistake all year in Belgium. I would argue the Singapore crash was not as bad. Everyone who pushed that race crashed/slid out.
Russel crashed on others multiple times and his one win was the one race Merc was faster. It was also in the race that Max nicked Hamilton out.
Hamilton's performance in the Dutch grand prix was incredible and he was screwed by insane bad luck & two safety car deployments.
Russel was good but IMO Hamilton, overall, was better even if the points don't reflect that.
@@Paulorrrrrr to me it basically hinges on how much you beleive Lewis was using horrible setups early in the year vs having a hard to adjusting to the car. If we ignore that part altogether I'd say Lewis was marginally better though.
@@Paulorrrrrr in the Dutch Grand Prix Russell matched him all race it’s just because Hamilton was further up the grid why they wasn’t closer watch the gap between them it doesn’t move
@@sigmundferd1359 is there anything to *not* believe? Russell said he was, lewis said he was, toto said he was, the lead engineers said he was, and in australia you could literally see the sensors on his car during the race. At this point someone would just have to be a hamilton hater to not "believe" that hamilton was doing experiments on setup during the season.
I don't get all these rankings. George has been consistently faster or on pace with Hamilton, George outscored him in the championship, George has 1 pole while Hamilton has 0, George has 1 win while Hamilton has 0. Yet most rankings put Hamilton above George? I seriously think this is purely to not piss off the LH44 fans at this point. George had an insane season. Absolutely bonkers considering this is his first year in Mercedes and he beat Lewis on EVERY SINGLE FRONT.
Lets all pray Mcclaren can get a fast car for next year. Next year will be phenomenal if we can see lando fighting up front
McLaren* not Mcclaren
My dream would be to see Lando at Redbull with Max .. those two in the same car head to head would be pure entertainment
With a good car and Norris, I can see F1 having a big 4 instead of big 3 teams. Norris is so talented, and Mclaren has the resources and expertise, but they need to execute.
Won’t be a turn around season that’s for sure. Give it another year or two.
This did not age well haha
Great list. Only thing I would change is putting Russel in front of Hamilton, because it was the reality. Hamiltons gap in points reflects mistakes and not bad luck as 2 of the DNFs were self inflicted. Plus Russel was faster in the first part of the season and pn the same level in the second part. So overall, objectively speaking, Russel was the better driver this year.
worst drivers to best drivers in 2022
crash into walls/own teammate tier: (aka doesn’t belong in F1 tier)
21 latifi
20 ricciardo
19 stroll
18 schumacher
17 ocon
ultimately let down by car/reliability/team tier:
17 hulkenberg
16 zhou
15 tsunoda
14 devries
13 gasly
12 albon
11 kmag
10 bottas
9 vettel
a to s tier drivers:
8 hamilton - took teammate to school on pace
7 alonso - pace challenged both mercs often
6 russle - made his teammate look washed on points
5 sainz - able to pick up race wins/ strong points
4 perez - able to pick up race wins/ strong points
3 leclerc - better at qualifying than winning
2 norris - hard carried mclaren by himself
1 verstappen - wins races from p14
I’m calling it, I respect and enjoy the content you guys put out, but you underrated Zhou. Should be at least 4 places higher. He never crashed the car on his own, ONCE. He had the measure of his vastly more experienced teammate in quali and race for several races from Baku onward. Like Alonso, he also had rotten luck, from being crashed out in the Imola sprint and his car failing multiple times. Highly likely he would have added to his points tally. Looking forward to see where his career goes from here. 🇨🇳
Lanzhu Zhong also underrated Guanyu Zhou.
I agree. Zhou was solid all year.
Then make your own youtube channel and give random ratings as per your biases, guys.
their rating it's so crap.
doesn't take into account car to performance ratio over the season luck and skill sets.
Haas was only good at the beginning of the season but Mag extracted some important points when it mattered, even scored freaking pole , that's alone is amazing. Team who scored zero points and end up last , last year. Plus he was out for a year and the rule changes. So many factors.
Aston Martin was a crap car but Vettel was doing wonders when he could.
Alonso was Alonso and done some brilliant moves , unfortunately reliability of a car doesn't let him get higher in the standings.
Zhou was the only rookie in a season in Alfa while Bottas done best job he could even outperform Mercedes at the beggining , funds and upgrades run out extremely fast too.
these guys should be much higher for just that matter.
Russell coming 4th or 5th when porpoising was a big issue for merc for a long time.
I think was the last team to sort it out.
Years ago I might have argued that never crashing your cars might mean that he is not fighting and defending hard enough and leaving points on the board, but since the budget cap a rarely crashing driver is a huge skill to have.
So Carlos had “unique demands” in the Ferrari but Checo underperformed flat out? This list could’ve been done better imo. By that logic, if Perez won the championship, he maybe would’ve been placed 5th on your list 😂
checo had the luxury of driving one of the best F1 cars ever created, sainz did not
@@theread3480 the luxury of driving a car molded for his teammate.
@@2Xboti something that a top tier driver should be able to overcome, especially when they literally started branching the design philosophy to try to help him catch back up
George lost 7 points in the second half of the season, how is he not higher then hamilton
Because he is not hamilton 😶
Because he is golden boy for The Race.. u cannot explain much
Because Hamilton had better stats/pace in both Quali and Race. Even with a car missing pieces of the floor, he finished just 1.3s behind his teammate with a perfectly fine car in Brazil
Because speed and performance isn't about points. It's about measuring qualifying pace and race pace. Which are metrics casual observers don't follow or take into consideration.
If you judge f1 that way then you don’t understand this sport. You can’t judge f1 with stats and results cos they do not show the true picture case in point Hamilton, Alonso, lando and albon to some point
Lando indeed was amazing, the performer cameras didn't let you see perform in 2022.
Russell's performance this year as a whole was very impressive, I give him the edge over Hamilton.
The fact that he could somewhat perform early while hamilton was struggling to do anything with the car shows how good Russell is and will become. I agree with you on this one.
@@iKSmurf Wasnt hamilton doing experiments?
@@alexyou3233 Most likely but even he admitted he that he didn't feel confident in the car while Russell was able to push it a bit more.
@@iKSmurf source?
@@iKSmurf when was Russell able to push it a bit more? Hamilton was faster in pretty much every race
Ham above Rus? Rus suffered more DNFs. Ham made more mistakes. Despite all of these, Rus got a pole and a win and beat Ham in points. Ham's second half of the season form couldn't beat Rus's first half of the season form. If you consider the peak performance, Rus got a pole and a win. If you consider the consistency, Rus beat Ham in points even after suffering more DNFs. And this is Rus's first season with Merc. I think Rus should be P2 or P3.
I'm sorry. After I've posted this, I check the number of Rus's number of DNFs. I was wrong. But I still have to say, in this season Rus outperformed Ham clearly. Let's wait and see another season who will be the better driver.
Lewis had 2 DnF's and Russell only 1. I agree that Russell was better than in terms of consistency in races and point accumulation. So in the races George was better. But in qualifying despite Russell's pole, Hamilton beat George 13-9 in qualifying. Close but showed on Saturday he's the faster driver.
Which dnf were more that’s lies
As much as I like Russell, I think it's a stretch to say that he "clearly outperformed Hamilton." On the whole, they are very well matched, with Hamilton perhaps having the edge in outright speed. IMHO it's the strongest driver pairing on the grid and I doubt Mercedes could be happier.
Hamilton’s first half of the season form was largely compromised by a string of bad safety car luck that propped up George and taking on more experimental set ups than George to try help Mercedes fix the W13
Hamilton according to AWS was the driver closest to extracting the most out of his car all year (this is due in part to Verstappen being able to coast some victories ahead in free air)
If anything Hamilton should be higher, probably 3rd best
mind you hamilton ran experimental setups for half the season and when the car was more competative lewis was always the one closer to wins look at zandvoort cota silverstone mexico france hungary, just because rus got the win and pole doesnt make him better look at kmag he was very good this season even got pole but i wouldnt put him above someone like alonso or ocon who didnt get any poles or podiums
Theres no way any people think hamilton was better than russel anytime this year thats nonsense
Norris in second place?! lmao give me some of whatever you're smoking. "If there was a driver who was going to deliver a brilliant drive to seventh place it was going to be Norris". No it wasn't. Most of the times the brilliant drives came from Alonso who would then be let down by Alpine.
I can't fathom the delusion of putting Norris in second place. He has done nothing except beating a Ricciardo who was literally driving slower than most grandma's at some points of the season. Ricciardo was sometimes as slow as the Williams and the Haas pairing. "Demolishing" that version of Ricciardo is barely an achievement.
I agree with most of the ranking. But I'd put Zhou higher and Gasly lower.
Nah gasly was only that low bc of this car.. we all know what he’s capable of in the right car. Perez was too low on this list and zhou and how Lewis was ahead of George is beyond me😂
I think 19th for Schumacher is a bit harsh since he was much closer to his teammate then the likes of Ricciardo and Zhou. And Haas got much slower towards the end of the season when he was as fast and faster than Kmag
He make too many mistakes, crash too much which cost the team a lot of money and didn't get the full out of the car like kmag did in the first couple races.
@@zer4884 Na Kmag made more mistakes.. Schumacher was just too slow in quali.. Just not fast
Knew there would be Mick sympathisers when I saw the justified 19th rank lol
@@robert7622 more mistakes yet less cost of repair.
Not to forget all the fuck ups from Haas that season that cost Mick points finishes. But oddly enough neither the Race or british media in general ever take that up when it comes to Mick. Its always about the crashes that get blown way out of proportions. But I’m not surprised. The narrative was set from the beginning.
I hope Haas has a horrible 2023 season. They deserve it.
TheRace getting back at Checo after he critisized them after singapore.
Reason to put him in 9th was him not getting 2nd spot but no credit to him helping with first constructors. Sainz crashed way more times and made way more errors than checo but he got higher.
I was about to say This channel does nothing but shit on checo.
Lewis as high as 4th? PFFFFFT!!!!!
This year proved he's the average driver we all knew he was without the best car on the grid
How you placed Lewis above Russel is beyond me.
Lewis spent the first part of the season running experimental parts. Once Mercedes stopped using him as a guinea big, Lewis started outperforming George and outqualifying him on a regular basis, sometimes by half a second.
You need to take into account races 2-8 were enforced test sessions with horrendous prototype cars for Hamilton. Mercedes had no choice and it needed to be done.
Hamilton haters trying to prove Russel is the better driver with 0 fucking proof (except only 3 races)
Azerbeijan(he had lower rear height therefore more bouncing), Saudi(setup), Imola(drs train)
Lando Norris as 2? Kind of crazy.
He took one of the slower midfield cars to 7th more times then not and Riccardo was back in 15th with the same car. Similar to latifi and albon gap in performance
@@bradweinberger6907 Not disputing his 2nd place on this list, but "one of the slower midfield cars"? If your midfield includes McLaren and Alpine then kinda yes... but McLaren comfortably beat all other 5 teams.
Russell, Alonso, and Hamilton were all better than Norris. Egregious ranking, I'm afraid.
@@rigoaguilar819 they were ahead in better cars. Not better overall when factoring machinery
@@rigoaguilar819 agreed. Norris was exactly where he have to be. Nothing espectacular to as high up on the list. Maybe 4th would be more reasonable.
Russell in rookie season with Mercedes he should be ahead of Hamilton...
He doesn’t want to get hate from Lewis fan boys. That’s why 😂
Are you new to F1?
If you are new - that's OK but if you have followed F1 for more than 6 weeks you'll know that 7 times world champion was asked to do all the testing and set up while the junior guy was asked to focus on racing.
Bet real fans will still be explaining this in 10 years time.
i see a trend in these negative comments, 90% of them are from Indians lol.
@@yugarten8523 Indians and Pakistanis don't like Lewis for whatever reason. 😂
Another DTS noob..... ranting on TH-cam, What a surprise! 🤣🤣
Perez and magnussen deserve higher positions on this ranking
Glad to see it's not just the F1 commentators, and the F1 power rankings crew have an absolute obsession over lando Norris.
You can have all the talent in the world, but he’s mentally fragile. Would get exposed in a proper title fight
because he’s outperforming where his car should be? Pretty obvious why people like him as a driver.
@@Plugitinbby He has the 4/5th best car and basically had a quiet season driving in the middle of no where. He's not outperforming the car, Ric is so much underperforming that people think the car is bad so Lando must be amazing.
@@LukeE19 it could well be both, ric is underperforming but lando is putting it way above what it deserves
So over "hE iS OuT pErfOrMiNg ThE CaR" maybe he is sometimes but I've seen him end up in the power rankings in the top five after crashing his car and it's his fault The bias is what makes people dislike him. He takes out Charles in Brazil, and still makes it into the top 10 in the power rankings. In a car that's not competitive and just sits in no man's land. Lando may be out performing the car but we don't know that because there's no way to gauge his performance cuz Danny Ricardo is absolutely terrible. Sorry if you're Danny Ricardo fan but he has been bad and has never performed in the car. When lando was up against Carlos they were pretty equal Carlos is a number two at best. Then Danny Ricardo goes to McLaren in all of a sudden lando Norris is the king of F1 and in the top three in the power rankings every week no matter what he does he can qualify terrible finish out of the points crash the car top three in the power rankings. It's an absolute joke and this is an absolute joke, I know you're taking finishing order out of it and I know that they're taking the equipment out of it, and he did outperform his teammate but that's the only thing he did. George outperformed his teammate all season! Yet finishes behind Lewis Hamilton. And yet they both somehow finish behind lando.
Putting Lewis in front of his teammate when he lost to him by 2 places and 35 points is a joke at best.
Then Ocon should also be ahead of Alonso? C'mon man, be real
@bazictv yeah but that was obvious bad luck for Alonso by anyone's view. Anyone who watched the season saw Russell outperforming Hamilton right out of the gate.
@Viki M are you serious ?
Lewis outqulified Russell 13-8, more podiums and better pace overall ! Points don't tell the whole story.
@Viki M Hamilton's race and quali pace was ahead of russell. That's not 2nd driver material
You gave rather good compliments to Zhou, with his only drawback of being not being flashy enough. Outqualifying his teammate consistently by the end of the season, him being a rookie, and taking reliability into consideration should rate Zhou much much higher.
Russell being in the top 5 in 19/22 of the races seems like a factor u have not even thought about.
Some people can’t let the greats be out performed. But I do think George out performed Hamilton by a decent margin.
@@hankwells2637 Agreed.
No way Lewis is ranked above George this season. George was much more consistent. The points gap between the two tells a pretty good story, not the whole story but enough in my opinion.
@@hankwells2637 the points standings don't tell the entire story considering hamilton's race pace and quali performance was better than russell
@@ajestuesta lewis outperformed George I'm nearly every race once Mercedes stopped Lewis testing the car. I'd say next year will be a lot different
Imagine
- taking the only pole of your team in a season
- taking the only win of your team in a season
- beating your team mate in points
- still being ranked worse 😂😂
Hamilton was literally marginally better than Russell. After he stopped experimenting he made him look like Bottas effectivelly. He only won in Brazil because he screwed Lewis in quali. He only finished ahead because he had tons of luck all season, he only got the pole because Hamilton had a drs problem at that particular q3.
Some mental gymnastics there to rank lewis higher than George, GR only non RB / Ferrari to win a race
I'm guessing Ricciardo performed better than Norris last season because he won a race and Lando didn't. If you look at the bigger picture rather than final driver standings, you'll know why Hamilton and Alonso are ranked higher than their teammates.
I would put Russell in front of Hamilton. Remember that this was Russell's FIRST season at Mercedes and he was immidiately on the pace beating Hamilton quite consistently. He won a race, Lewis did not. Overall Russell was more impressive then Hamilton in 2022.
I would've put Checo a little higher. Red Bull gave him a different floor than Max during a long period of the season and his strategy always seemed a little off other than Monaco.
I’d argue Russell deserves the number 3 spot - not only did he drag Mercedes demonstrably worse than the RB/Ferrari into places higher than it had any right to be, beat Hamilton in his first season at a new team and got his maiden win with a storming drive in Brazil, but his consistency was unparalleled: Russell only finished lower than 5th three times the whole season - the DNF in Silverstone, 14th in Singapore and 8th in Japan. That's a 5th place or better finishing rate of 86% alongside a podium rate of 36%. Even more impressive than the top 5 streak between Bahrain and Monaco is that had it not been for that DNF in Silverstone, that streak would have extended until Singapore - 17 races in a row. The man's consistency is insane.
that proves you didnt even watch the races
I'm more a fan of Lewis than George but biases aside I would say that for George's first proper season with Mercedes, next to a 7-time world champion, outscoring him on merit, getting Mercedes' only win of the season on merit, and considering each driver's standing relative to their 2021 season...I'd have to say George overall wins. I want to see Lewis comeback in 2023 and challenge, nay win, his 8th title but just assessing the 2022 season I have to say George did a great job. He certainly proved he was the better choice over Bottas.
The fact that it was his first season in the team doesnt really matter since the cars were completely new this year. Plus Russell has been with Mercedes for a long time. Hamilton was faster both on Saturdays and Sundays still at 37.
@@kj48tiger I knew someone would chime in with this comment. Fortunately I can saying that I did consider all these points but still it doesn't matter. The points don't lie, the win doesn't lie, the stats don't lie. Doesn't matter how long George has been "with" Mercedes, next to Lewis he's a rookie to the team which makes George's accomplishments all the more impressive. Keep in mind George adapted to the initial horribly purpoising car better than Lewis.
Anyway, like I said, I'm more of a Lewis fan and I do think Lewis won the second half of the season once Mercedes improved the car but I won't let that blind me to George's accomplishments.
Sir/drama Queen in front of George LOL no way!
Norris in second? What a joke. Guys I know you are Brits but come on… stop taking the piss. Also 3 Brits in the top five? have some respect.
Good ranking. Only difference for me is hamilton(6)
Alonso 4 ham 5 russ 6 for me
Deadass put Hamilton in front of Russel when he was outscored and didn't win. Stop riding
If we're going rank drivers off the mistakes, general pace, and consistency throughout the season, then both Russell and Alonso should be ranked ahead of Hamilton who had a ton of on track incidents and mistakes, even taking into account a strong second half.
Oh, I just saw Fraudo Norris ranked second LOL. Yeah, nah. Absolutely not. Leclerc was FAR better, and so were Russell, Alonso, and Hamilton.
The worsted 22 F1 drivers ranking video yet.
Puttin Hamilton above Russel is a joke. Outperformed Hamilton in his first season with a big car.
Because every avg f1 knows the main reason for George being ahead of Lewis is , Lewis helping team in the 1st half of the season to understand the car with experimental setups, while George running with traditional , faster setups, and some unlucky safety cars that helped George, by ruining Lewis races like , Australia, Miami, zandvoort.. and Lewis showed he is miles ahead of George in 2and half of the season... like finishing P2 from P7 in hungery, while gorge ended up out side of podium places from P1.. and holding checo to FINISH P2 in Mexico with hard tyres, while George didn't even close to checo with same strategy.. and finishing P2 from P6 or P8 in Brazil (thanx to max).. ofcourse he made some mistakes, and appreciate George's super consistency. But Lewis marginally ahead of George. Ahh, don't worry u r not goanna understand it, u will do when u grow up
Ocon, Alonso, Hamilton and Sainz all performed better than Perez? Excuse me? I know this is all just opinion, but like, almost 2nd in the standings, 2 race wins, a handful of pole positions.... like, come on, man!
This channel will do everything it can to put Brits on top.. not worth watching them anymore
3:49 Stroll‘s sixth place at Suzuka? You might want to get that right…he finished 12th
He means Singapore i think.
@@floriankubatta6640 Yeah, it was Singapore.
@@floriankubatta6640 yep. Florian san, have u watched TUN vs AUS recently? Australia narrowly beaten Tunisia 1-0.
Yeah, Singapore. Where the team called Seb into pits just as he was about to outqualify Stroll, to put him on the wrong tyres. And where Seb was way faster and ahead of Stroll in the race, just to get fucked by strategy so Lance finishes ahead.
@@wss33 Yep, they ruined quite a lot of his races this season
I respect that the list is subjective, but guys, you are overly one-sided with Hamilton.
Leclerc paying the price for Ferrari's incompetence in his own ranking does not seem fair. Many strategic calls robbed him victories (at least Silverstone and Monaco) and the two mistakes he made which only affected him shouldn't put him behind Norris who had also many crashes (He took out Gasly in Miami and nearly took out Charles in Brazil, he crashed in Emilia Romagna qualifying also).
It overall does not seem fair.
The driver is the one in the car. They ultimately make the final call, the video is right he IS too passive. Sainz basically told the pit wall to f-off multiple times this year, le Clerc did as he was told always.
Rewatch the gasly Norris crash mate. Think you’ll find it was gasly’s fault
@@henrypeters3663 How is it Gasly's fault ? Gasly has been on the track for a corner already so he is not "rejoining" and Norris is overtaking him, Gasly was on the racing line ... Norris just did not move enough to the left... look at Gasly onboard he was steering to the right and he was on same line as the cars ahead.
I agree that HAM and RUS were close, but I would place RUS ahead of HAM based on this season as a whole. Yes, in the last quarter of the season HAM probably had higher peaks in general. But for me he was clearly struggling to keep up with RUS in the first half, possibly even the first 3/4 of the season, and that put him behind overall.
Not in the last quarter...... Lewis has beaten Russell since canada when they stopped experimenting but the damage was already done in previous races
Best ranking and analysis I've seen so far. Agree with the substantive comments. Nice analysis. I agree with other comments that Zhou could be argued to be a little higher.
Can't believe Russell was placed below Hamilton. First season in the car up against Lewis Hamilton and he manages to beat him and score the only win for the team. Made some brilliant strategic decisions as well.
💯 Clearly a biased ranking.
I undertstood their rationale. George was great but Hamilton when given an equal chance and when mercedes had somewhat stabilzed their messy car - Hamilton outperformed George
@@jakelex1177 he may well have done but in the context of this being george's first season and up against Hamilton in Hamilton's team. I'm afraid that's just not good enough in my eyes.
Seb deserve a better ranking somewhere near Alonso.
Swap Vettel's place with Ocon's and we got something more accurate
No way you place Checo 9th. This has been his best season ever and don't forget what he did for the team to achieve both championships
Crazy you think it's his best season ever when he got crushed by his teammate. I'd say his best season yet is the one that swayed redbull into giving him a race seat, his 2020 season. He comfortably beat Stroll and for the majority of the season got the most out of the car, with some magical tire-managment focused drives.
He has been much slower than Max, and he doesn't seem to have gotten the grip of the new 18", so his magical skill to preserving the tires hasn't been found yet.
No fucking way you're telling me this is Perez best season ever, even Perez himself knows this isn't his best season.
What the fuck did Perez do? He drove the best car. That’s it. He’s not even in the top 10.
I would have put Zhou way higher than that..
Lando ahead of Leclerc, goes to show you the best attribute you can have in F1 is a British passport. Guarantees the media will run propaganda for you.
Not really, the English are known to self deprecate more than any nation .
A few biased commentators amongst the many doesn't alter the truth.
I still wonder how people would treat Mick if he was British.
Completely agree with you. It's laughable sometimes.
Didn't Leclerc get close to maximising his potential points tally with the tools at his disposal? Sure a lot of the blame for that goes to the team but certainly not all of it.
@@cabelas1987 well I’m not quite sure he maximised his points in France 🤷♂️
im excited to see how zhou does over the years
Well, if he dont improve in 2023, Pourchaire is right there.
Funny how George finished ahead of Hamilton and nobody is reacting the same as they did with Fernando and Lewis when they were teamates. The double standarts!
Lewis was a rookie in 2007 whilst Alonso was supposed to be the dominant driver at the time. Still hard to compare 2 seasons 15 years apart.
Well said Madame Rouge
Maybe it’s because that was Lewis’ first season in the sport? Unless you followed GP2, he was a relative unknown but went toe to toe with the reigning WDC in his prime.
George is more of a known quantity having been in the sport for a few years. We know he’s absolutely rapid so his performance against Lewis isn’t a shock.
Then there are other factors to take into consideration, such as experimenting with setups. I think over the final 14 races Lewis best George 10-4 in qualifying and 9-5 in races.
So there are differences between the two which would make on less impressive than the other.
I hope they’re both fighting are the from next year!
Lewis was a rookie. Russell already has 3 seasons of experience in the Williams and had done plenty of testing and simulator work for Merc before joining them this year.
@@areebsiddiqui758 - yes, and Alonso had been in the sport for 5 years with 2 titles, while Lewis has been in the sport for 15 and has 7 titles.
The experience gap is comparable, but the performance differential was far more pronounced between Hamilton and Russell than it ever was between Hamilton and Alonso.
English media people always put English drivers first
Russel being below Hamilton is a joke 😂.
Lewis outqulified Russell 13-8, more podiums and better pace overall. Do you think that Ocon should be higher than Alonso?
perez at 9th is absolutely absurd.
In my opinion, Zhou should be ahead of Stroll, besides that some minor changes, like swapping Albon and Perez and Russell and Hamilton.
Perez's season was way better than Ocon, Alonso, Russell, Hamilton and Sainz's. I gotta give credit to George for consistency, but Perez's season was up there given the direction that RedBull developed the car towards Verstappen's liking
Honestly....I'm a little bit shocked to see Norris ahead of Leclerc.....💁🏻♀️
I'd put Hamilton in front too.. Most mistakes were Ferrari's, but Leclerc made some crucial mistakes this season and he knows that. If Norris was in the other Redbull I bet it would've been exciting as f**.
@@joepiedepoepie1234 All drivers made mistakes..Ham and Norris included....it only depends on how much they push over the limit of the car..the one's of Lec look worse because, at that time, he was leading the championship 💁🏻♀️....In my mind, it was an amazing season for Lec..having always fought against Redbull and, sometimes, against it's his own team as well
The Race is UK based, I'm not shocked at all
@@onlyDPGS Agree 💁🏻♀️
George should be above Lewis. Russell was consistent the entire year. The streak of top 5 finishes kept Mercedes in the Constructors vs Ferrari.
Russell #2 for me, certainlly ahead of Lewis as it was his first seasson in a top team against a more experienced driver. 😜
I think they took into account the fact that Lewis was testing for the first half. I think he would have beaten Russ on points if they hadnt done that imo.
How Leclerc can be ahead of the Mercedes pair, despite his many errors and intermittent poor performances despite a far superior car to the Mercedes for most of the year is baffling.
Only 2 errors and poor performances
@@mo215300 there was more than that, I can count the crash in France, spinning off and causing damage in Italy, plus unnecessary contact in Britain alone. Unforced spins, poor lap sectors when it mattered, a lack of personal confidence that showed on track at times. They might have only been small and relatively unnoticed by many, but in a title fight in a competitive car, he never deserved to come close to winning.
@@Heathen.Deity. I can do the same for other drivers like max Russell etc. hahaha and despite that got p2 in drivers fact is you can hate him as much as you want but can’t deny his talent if ferrari sort their shit out he will kick the fields butt
@@mo215300 the fact you’ve resorted instantly to “you must hate him” the second your two mistake argument was an instant flop, shows you’re too immature for me to bother with you anymore.
@@Heathen.Deity. yes I am who cares about your opinion Charles will prove all you doubters wrong wait and watch soon
There is a point to be made that Norris managed to take so much out of a uncompetitive car. However considering how badly things went for his team mate the gap is deceptive everything went wrong for Riccardo.
John, i belive it definitely is.
That McLaren has loads of pace. It's the setup and development path under Andreas that's ruined its driveability and ultimately stopped them from achieving 3rd place if they took Daniel's recommendations. Lando would be a race winner if they developed the car to Daniel's recommendations.
@@christianhorner001 you chat more shit than the real Christian Horner
LMAO PEREZ 9th? The bias shows HARD
With Russel being new to the team and still regularly outpacing a 7 time world champion, I would've put him on #2 in between Norris and Verstappen. Makes no sense to rank him worse than Hamilton.
Are you new to F1?
If you are new - that's OK but if you have followed F1 for more than 6 weeks you'll know that 7 times world champion was asked to do all the testing and set up while the junior guy was asked to focus on racing.
Bet real fans will still be explaining this in 10 years time.
Hamilton consistently outperformed Russell after Baku. São Paulo was the only exception to that. I think it’s clear that The Race’s ranking reflects that Hamilton took the brunt of the efforts to fix the W13. In other words, they argue that Russell ran ahead early because he effectively had the more raceable version of the car to work with. I think that argument has some merit. Can understand how others might disagree though.
@@fablewalls oh damn you're so cool and knowledgeable. Wow.
Dude, stop gatekeeping. We're talking about what's happening on track, that's what's being judged. Russel even made a couple of strategic calls during the races which ended up giving him the edge.
All these rankings are highly subjective, people will not always agree with you, deal with it.
@@cy9nvs "We're talking about what's happening on track"
And one driver is asked to focus on racing and getting the best results. Does that not mean anything to you?
Thought not. Stick to DtS mate, your level of knowledge is showing.
@@fablewalls Are you getting paid to simp for Lulu or are you just in love?
Perez is being judged too harshly. The problem for Perez is that, unless Verstappen has any misfortune, he will always finish behind Verstappen in the race. That means that when the Red Bull is the better car at best Perez will get 3 more points than Leclerc, but whenever Ferrari had the better car Perez is likely to lose about 10-13 points to Leclerc.
And lets not forget that for the first half of the season Ferrari statistically had the quicker car.
VER, MSC, and LAT are right. Maybe RIC too. NOR is overrated at 2nd and is probably 5th/6th at best. 9th for PER seems to be affected by recency bias.
5th/6th at best? He's 3rd at best and realistically should be around 4th or 5th. Easily better than Perez and Sainz for being the only driver outside the top 3 teams with a podium and 100+ points in an awful car as opposed to the other 2 who struggled to win races in cars that were a second faster than the rest of the field.
What a surprise, you managed to do some mental gymnastics where Hamilton was better than Russell this season, despite the latter getting Mercedes only pole position and win this season AND finishing ahead of Lewis in the drivers championship in his very first season with Mercedes. I swear down the vast majority of the press here in the UK are on Lewis's payroll, the amount of endless fawning he receives from you is just pathetic and nauseating in equal measure.
K-mag should rank a little higher in my opinion
Hamilton better than George…. Wow, a slip of bias in this one. George adapted to the car way quicker, Hamiltons experience came through later in the season as he adapted to the car but still it took him a lot longer to adapt than George. In the race that George won as well Hamilton couldn’t keep up with him, every time he gained George just pushed a little and regained the gap.
Imma be real I hate George but he deserves to be higher than Lewis this season.
Bottas always started well and diminished / didn’t improve.
The Aleph Romeo diminished. Can't do well when your car does not keep up (unless you're a generational talent, like Russel)
@@DonRaynor bottas did great throughout the season the car just went to absolute shit
@@DonRaynor Hes not aggressive enough. Routinely lets people pass too easily.
Bottas is an exceptional qualifier, and is slightly less proficient at racing. We've seen this from his years against Hamilton, sometimes out qualifying him but virtually never out racing him.
Bottas single handedly got alfa romeo 6th in the standings
No way does Hamilton outrank Russel. Sure he was better at the end but Russel stomped him first half of the season. Also Perez 9th? He was obviously outperformed by Verstappen but not 9th for sure.
British media incoming
People forget that were we see the best perfomances isn't at the front, you have less competition, only one or two other drivers per race, the worse your car is should climb you up the order
Alonso is top 5 for me. It’s crazy how much he extracted from that Alpine; it’s too bad the car’s reliability sucked.
Perez finished 3 points out of 2nd place and he's all the way down in 9th? Make it make sense 😂
Zhou should have been in the top 9, he drove like a consummate veteran in his first season. He took all the points available to him & rescued a P11-13 from the fire more than q few times. Name a rookie who did better than him in their first season in the last 10yrs ...
lol
Norris, Albon, Tsunoda, Verstappen, Sainz. Thats whose rookie season was better than Zhou´s
No way did Zhou's season warranted him a Top 10 on this list.
how can you rank Hamilton above Russell - Russell was a rookie in the mercedes and finished higher in the table, got mercedes only Pole and win of the season.
How can u guys put Hamilton higher then Russel?
Russel was all year long consisten also with the hopping W13 and never cryied that much like Hamilton.
He even won a race and it was his 1st Year at Merc. I cant stand all those Hamilton fans anymore.
And Lando on 2, Fernando on 6 is another talk we should have. Leclerc derserved P2, if he´s not getting Ferrarid he even could´ve competed with Max
What a Ranking. Sorry guys but you missed out
Hamilton was the slightly better driver overall. More podiums and better race pace on most weekends after the experiments stopped in Canada. Also blew away Mr Saturday in qualifying.
Hamilton was faster and better than him this year. Without the setup experimentation he did in first half season he would be ahead. Did you forget all the bad luck and unlucky safety he had. George had pole but Lewis would be on pole Without drs issue. Same thing for his win in brazil. Hamilton did performance that russell couldn't like spain or hungary. Russell also did more mistakes than him and cried as much as Lewis
@@pythonquark he didn't really blow him away. The gap was like .101 seconds over the first half of the season and .006 over the second half. I agree Lewis deserved to be ranked higher than George but he definitely didn't blow George away. Merc was the team with the smallest overall margin between the qualifying times of the 2 drivers.
@No¹ Alright, "blew him away" was a bit much but he was slightly quicker two-thirds of the time. 11-5 to Hamilton in undisrupted qualifying sessions is pretty comprehensive even if he was only half a tenth quicker on average.
These are just opinions, chill man. Only points table matter
10:10 I mean this is an interesting take. Lewis had higher peaks? Despite George winning? And earning a pole? Despite lewis missing a pole and win in a season for the first time in his career? Despite lewis having one more podium than George but missing points more often? If you’re factoring in his testing program early I don’t object but if you’re going to do that, you just quantify it. Expressing that compensates for his objectively worse performance comparatively is a bold statement. Maybe not unfounded but if one had to say, it feels more incorrect than correct so it would serve the take better to explain how you got there. Otherwise it’s just hard to even remotely accept seriously
Not to sure abt Norris being 2nd and Russel should def be higher than lewis
Check race pace data not just the standing...funny that you won't say the same about ocon then
Lewis was faster tbh
Hamilton was definitely better and faster than him. Without the sacrifice he did in first half season. He would be much ahead of russell. Since canada you can clearly see who is the better driver
@@alexlacl8730 yeah, whatever gimnastics you do to prove Hamilton's worth, he was worse than Russell, end of story. Winless season too, great driver in great machinery, good driver in good machinery
@@MrAsus4870 as a russell fan, you have to realize that hamilton spent a large portion of the season allowing himself to be a guinea pig for the team, and for the car's development, which makes it hard to use points as a fair metric.
No way hamilton season was better than russel driving for Mercedes for the first year
The bias knows no bounds for the British media and Lewis. Classic Lulu outscored, more poles and wins for George but the Brits got his back. Lewis crashed or had contact 9 times