Casual Irish fan here, (but a lad who would not be drunk after five beers). Just to say that I found your analysis so broadly and eloquently reflective and realistic. Irish fans have been raving about the reception in SA, the ambiance etc. Respect! So enjoyed the series. Up the Bokke! C'mon Ireland! See ye again soon!
Well said. The only Saffa that let them down again was that Muppet Rassie. Did you see him trying to stare down the Irish when they were warming up. What a plank. Andy Farrell doesn't need all these sad gimmicks. Get rid of him, he is a loser.
So the American guy is making far too many excuses. Durban suited Ireland more than South Africa!!?? 😂😂 You are reaching to suggest that training in Pretoria prepared SA poorly for Durban. This is hilarious. Athletes go to altitude to train for competitions not at altitude. There is no merit to that argument and in any case, EITHER venue would have been more alien to Ireland. The truth is that an Ireland B team (missing 6 or 7 starters) beat the WC winning, most experienced Springbok side ever, in their back yard, with 11 men at a point! That’s the honest truth. As for looking back on ref calls, here are the links to the ref analysis on both games, by a South African by the way. On balance Ireland should have won the first game, whatever about the 2nd. So Springboks are very lucky overall. th-cam.com/video/yEikIrT9LIk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gjih-vZSamRL-aLH th-cam.com/video/yEikIrT9LIk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9TzcsMPCYRh0qkut
The altitude question was tongue in cheek. If anyone knows about playing rugby at altitude or not, it is us (me being a Bulls supporter and all). Interestingly, in SA a car develops 17% more power at the coast than on the Highveld because of the air. Not an engineer and turbo's less affected but it does play a role to a degree but the other way around. And it negates the advantage of altitude which has always been an SA thing.
Thank you for your in depth analysis. I think the winner over the series was international test rugby. I understand the SA pundits and some fans are a little dissapointed but you guys are world champions and well deserved. My point is it's not the end of the world, let the paying fans enjoy the occasion and the cultural interaction. With all that's going on in the world occasions like this should be celebrated. Beat of luck in the championship and we'll see you in Dublin in a year or two.
Thank you. We enjoyed these two tests immensely! South Africa need to up their game to be more consistent in my opinion to really be able to claim to be the best in the world. The Championship will be a great test for all the nations competing, with new coaches etc. all around. Start of a new cycle makes everything more uncertain and exciting! Thank you for watching with us!
@@megafoonsport Ahh, fair enough then. Anyway, it's great to see that the top 5 sides in the world are all at a similar level. Makes the sport more enjoyable for all.
I think the Boks fans are taking the one game loss and only by a point very very hard. Being very unfair on themselves really. Theres no shame in that loss. Them drop goals aint easy to take and could have easily missed. The problem for Boks fans is they believed there own hype train and expected too much from there own team and wrote Ireland off before the game began.
@@TheMsyZa Fact.. look at the interviews with the Bok fans before the match. Ireland dead and buried by 15 points. You believed your own hype and got humbled.
@@zeppirl True, but this is what happens when you play mind games and lose! Picking the Irish team?? Picking the same team for test two?? That was all about making a statement and that statement was “we fucked you up and you need to make changes and we don’t”. 6/2? Then you find you have 2 injured backs! Bok squad defused. Big risks mean either big reward or failure. You live by the sword…. hubris. Now Ireland have even caused SA problems in the Rugby Championship! The Ireland team never rose to the bate, the SA team did. Ireland did their taking on the pitch.
Great series. A few observations from an Irish URC fan (I’ve seen a lot of SA teams this season): 1. Get Sacha more game time. Phenomenal talent. 2. Faff is past it. Start Williams. 3. Most Irish fans who have a clue do not think Ireland is #1. We just believe we can compete with anybody when we are on our game. 4. Cap David Kriel. 5. Boks and SA pundits underestimated Ireland in the build up to the second test. 6. Ireland were competitive even without a scrum. 7. Test rugby at this level really is a game of fine margins. Either test could have gone either way.
Fantastic summary. Couldn't have put it better myself (especially the bit about David Kriel being a Bulls fan🤣) It's difficult doing this and being completely unbiased, but we try to. But it will always be through a South African lens, just as much as Irish commentators will always do it through an Irish lens. It's sport after all and that's how it should be. Thank you for watching
You see you finally met someone who can play Rugby and still stand up to you, not afraid of the bully and put him in his place, SA have been doing it for years, this time you met your match, someone who knew how to deal with it, and then at the end Kolby taking a blatant dive ,cheating, and his captain remonstrating with the ref .to try and change the outcome of the game ..............you were beaten by a better team ,a team who came to play Rugby. Good teams don't need to resort to those tactics guys.
No mention of the ref handing 3 points to boks for a imaginary irish knock on when Nash didnt even touch the ball. It was clearly a boks player but where was last weeks try cancelling TMO?
Was not a imaginary knock on go have a look. The call was right because it was right in front off the camera. Ref stood on the wrong side AR called the knock not tmo
Irish fan here and I hope that the SA clubs bring that anger into the URC next season and really throw the towel down against the provinces and come looking for blood. Best league in the world!
(Irish supporter here) I haven't seen this before, but really enjoyed the honest and intelligent analysis of a great test series. I would only take issue with the comments about the Marks incident- I accept that Ireland could have had two cards, and that one of them might have been red, but I don't want to think that Doris and Ryan had a premeditated plan to crock one of their opponents. I hope what they did was a situational response in that particular ruck.
I think it's as simple as this. Ireland has always had the system and game plan. We just went to a level of intensity and physicality that we've never shown before in the first half. That's what caught the Boks out in the first half. Boks showed why they are rightfully the World champs in the second half. We hung in there and somehow got the win. It was an amazing 2 test series. We got humbled in the first test and showed unbelievable guts in the second test. Weren't we lucky as fans to witness 2 amazing test matches from 2 of the best teams in the world?
How many game did Snyman play for Munster? Always "injured" it seemed, but not when the Boks had a game. So .. maybe his plan is to "ride the bench" at Leinster and take the cash.
SA are professionals, great professionals, they should be able to play anywhere, Ireland just played better , nothing to do with the ground or the crowd , the scores didn't reflect the game
Guys, the main difference with Durban was the altitude. It had very little to do with atmosphere. A brilliant series and a great rivalry developing between 2 lekker sides ❤
The whole knee incident is nonsense. Yes if you slow down the replay it looks potentially deliberate. Played back at normal speed nobody had the time to even think about landing on another guys knee in a deliberate fasion.
Fair play to you on the ‘obstruction’ comment. Frawley was too far out to be blocked. If you look at the replay he hardly had a second to set himself which makes the kick even more amazing. It could easily have gone wide and it would be a different analysis. But it was a classic finish that ran up to the drop goal and carried out to perfection. That takes a team effort too!
If you look back at that Kolbe has positioned himself in a direct shortest line to Frawley. He 100% knew it was going there and after checking the first dart offside was right on the money with the ball coming out but Frawley was simply too deep to be got at and Kolbe who had barely made 50% of the ground did what he did. You know… ahem.. slipped.
SA never looked like scoring a try. They relied on penalties to get close. The previous test at altitude was gifted to SA by the ref/TMO and a couple of dreadful errors by Lowe.
Then you'd expect the injuries to be both ways, wouldn't you? In the first 20 minutes, both 2nd rowers bleeding in the same place, then Mostert's knee... That takes care of the lineout and breakdown dominance. Then Rassie also intimated Marx's knee was a worry too. We brought boxing gloves to a knife fight.
Etsebeth had the red mist down. When he went off for the second blood bandage, he waved off the replacement. He knew exactly who and how he got cut and had unfinished business.
Andy is amazing! I'm a Kiwi. Ireland are the real deal! Look forward to ABs v SA. I'd like us to get 1 win. But it'll be brutal. The Boks depth is wicked! Kwaggas nose tells the story! Lol! World rugby is in a great state. Very competitive!
@@patrickbrennan911 These guys are quite biased. They are condescending to Ireland. They put the loss down to SA underperforming while ignoring the fact that Ireland are such a good team that SA couldn't deal with them in the first half. Ireland scored the only try and they showed the class to take the 2 drop kicks that won the game.
@@Lynx-Ash-23 I think they are trying to be fair but through a biased lens, in as much as we are all biased to a degree. They picked up 3 points in that 2nd test that they shouldn’t have. However we were lucky with the card. I think it was the first test we were really hard done by. SA given a try that they shouldn’t have as Lowe was in touch. And Ireland denied a try from Doris that was deemed as held up, even though the footage is conclusive. That’s the game!
I think we are necessarily biased (to a degree) being South African. We will therefore obviously look at what we did wrong to have lost and that includes being outsmarted and outplayed (it's in the title!). However, throughout the video we have made it clear how well Ireland planned, executed and played for these matches. Respect definitely given and earned here. Like Harry says, subjectively objective!
Agree with most you guys said except on Pollard. Kick to poles brilliantly in 2nd test. Our 8,9 & 10 were our weak spot with ball in hand. Our coaching staff failed the test. Not often you said that about Erasmus & Co. Outside World Cups the Springboks are a Top 3 team, not the nr 1 team. Damn that is painful to type out.
Very honest take from you. No one is 'number 1'. The last 5 games against Ireland- SA have only 1 win and Ireland have 4 wins. You can't say you're better than a side who's beaten you 4 out of the last 5 games. SA are world champs and deservedly so but they only one their 3 knock out games by 1 pt. They didn't dominate anyone. They could've easily lost any of those 3 games. And they were playing against 14 for the majority of the final. People forget Ireland have only lost 3 of their last 24 (25?) games and this side never lose two big games on the trot. The Irish were not leaving without a win and they always play well when they're written off. The mid week confidence from the saffer pundits and fans played into the Irish players hands. With regards who's the best? I think any of SA, Ire, Fra, NZ, Eng can beat each other on any given day. There's very little between these sides and that's a great thing for rugby.
@PB22559 tbh I think Ire Sa and France are all a level above nz and eng atm, France were terrible in the 6n but when dupont and Ntmack return they will be chasing that #1 spot very hard.
11:12 “by wasting time and tying his shoelace”? The reason you lost that game is because for the last 10 to 15 minutes, you played not to lose. Exactly as you were suggesting. Ireland player to win, for all 80 mins.
@@megafoonsport : I'm from Ireland and thought it was a very fair and balanced discussion. Sadly that's not always the case listening to South African pundits so you guys are a breath of fresh air - altitude or not.
Just a point on the Doris yellow card, Estebeth causes the incident by holding Mccarthy for a few seconds and preventing him from clearing the ruck, this leaves Doris on his own, who was not strong enough to move Marx, Ryan would not have been near that tackle, he was about 10 yards away and came in late, without the foul play from Eben, there would have been no card and SA would be 9 points lighter on the scoreboard. On the PTSD push by McCloskey, the ref clearly tells him 3 times that he was looking at it and trys to walk away, PTSD is hassling the ref and should have been carded. Doris was reprimanded by the ref in game one, when asking the ref to check the incident where Casey was knocked unconscious, also threatened with a 10m advance.
Pollard made his penalty kicks. Crowley was far better around the park. Moving the team. Changing atrack. He qas better overall on the day a player. All Pollard did was kick. Hes not even as good as Libbok at getting the team moving.
He ran and slipped into the legs of Bealham and then turned onto his back waving his arms wildly. Trying to get everyone’s attention and to put off Frawley. Blatant attempt to cheat.
8:51 there is no way pollard outplayed Crowley. Pollard did not have a good game at all. Aside from the kicking, but there’s more to that position than kicking. You got 12 points in the period of the yellow card. 3 of which should never have been given.
Boks squeaked the World Cup and could easily have lost every real game they played. They didn't, and that's to their credit, but now some of their fans think they should steamroll everyone because they have the cup.
Ireland played their system rugby better than they ever have in the first half. SA had a sketchy half in comparison. Despite this, Ireland were still almost beaten if it wasn't for the outlier boot of Frawley. Snatching victory from what would have been a devastating defeat, because Ireland did deserve to win on the day.
First time watching this but a great review of the series, as an England, we look forward to Twickenham and hope to put you away ... please bring Kwaka and leave Malcom and the truly terrifying Ox behind. Its hard to believe that the Boks won't be able to pumpr the Aussies.
Utterly ridiculous point at 23 min mark. South African teams have been beating other teams up for years. You can’t complain when other teams do to you. The South Africans blood was spilt by their own actions by charging into rucks head first.
Really great chat and insights in this segment. I really like this pod and I look forward to it every week. I don't think the Boks have to be that despondent. Ireland is one of the world's best teams and they were fortunate to win it with a drop goal. Granted, South Africa should've controlled the game better at the end, but I think the loss of Willie and the inexperience of Sacha were factors. I think Sacha did very well for being thrown into the deep end 2 minutes into the game. Two main factors stand out for me in these two tests. Kwagga is not an 8 and he's an impact player. I think Hanekom will be the answer in the long run. Maybe have a look at Augustus? The other factor is Faf. The Boks played a lot better when Williams came on. When is the last time Faf played well? He was terrible the last test. Terrible kicking and terrible decision-making as well. Who the hell kicks the ball away 10m from their opponents' tryline? Terrible! There are more than enough decent scrummies playing in SA right now. Williams, Van den Berg and Papier are all better than Faf.
Farrell is a very clever coach. He is also an extremely tough man and would think nothing asking his players to run into brick walls and expecting it of them. He is also great at fine tuning new players who come to play for him. He lets them know that it’s a unique chance and works on their best traits.
I think at the beginning of the week Rassie thought he’d put one over on Ireland by naming the same team an action to try scare Ireland that SAs are some kind of super power. So Ireland all week with plenty of injuries and new players having to show up. Match day first 10 minutes the over tired SAs start falling like flies the rest of the bunch looked tired from the first test and heavy legged Ireland ran straight over them. SA and Rassie are trying to win games without playing. This was a test and a time to test the huge pool of players you have just 4 players would have freshened up SA but In believe Rassie has a very big ego and to me he messed up badly. Cmon it’s a test it’s for testing players. That’s my opinion and I think Andy wins the day.
Agreed. Farrell with less resources and more injuries to key players still got more out of his players, some of them (like Blade at SH) were 4th/5th choice for Ireland. Rassie picking Kwagga at 8 turned out to be a mistake. He didn't play well at all and was totally outplayed by his opposite number- Doris. Kwagga's much better coming off the bench. I don't think saffers realise that Ireland always play well when they're considered the underdog. That's always been part of the Irish DNA. I'm assuming Rassie knew that from his time coaching in Ireland. Andy Farrell had a real go at his players for underperforming in the first test and losing the 2nd test was not an option for them. When sides are evenly matched, mentality is everything. I predicted Ireland would win this game. This team doesn't lose 2 games on the trot. I think they're only 3 losses from 24 games? The Boks needed a humbling after all the talk and they got it. They may be world champs but they're only 1 win from 5 games against Ireland.
Maybe the South African's were stunned but I don't think anyone in the Northern Hemisphere was shocked. Remember Ireland lost their first game in New Zealand and then won the next two to win the series. Maybe the South Africans should be happy they only had two games and walked away with a draw. Imagine how you'd feel had you lost the series - I don't know if your national psyche could have handled it to be honest because the feedback from comments about the games suggest not. The Irish, had they lost, would have just learned from the experience and moved on. That's the difference between them.
Goeie naand menere. I have been waiting with baited breath for this to drop as I have a question from a fan to a pundit which has been bugging me relentless. During the Ireland game everytime Faf took the ball out of a ruck and did a kick to 22 you would see Irish players turn to run for the ball but as soon as they identified the catcher 3 or 4 Irish players would then stop dead around the catcher with their backs to the opposing side making almost like a fence so the opposition player wanting to contest for the high ball has to run around them. Is that allowed cause it happened a few times and I in no way want to diminish the Irish win I genuinely want to know. If you watch the replay you will see what I mean it was annoying cause as I see it that's obstruction. Anyway Thanx for always listing to my rants and doing a fantastic job on your podcast ❤
@@saiyandemonisher I didn’t see the SA players politely stepping out of the way to let the Irish chasers run through to catch the ball. 😂 of course it’s allowed provided you don’t change your line to deliberately block the runners. Faf’s kicking wasn’t great. He wasn’t finding much space .
@@danielg8001 They formed the fence deliberately, 3 to 4 irish players running towards each other and stopped.to protect the catcher. I hope someone with the knowledge can tell us if this is legal.
As far as my understanding it is allowed however as fans we feel it is obstruction. I have questioned it myself but last week the commentators did say it is a new thing and have been allowed
@@megafoonsport Goeie more meneer. Skuus as ek weer pla en soos n ou record klink. Last night on Super rugby Victor and Breyton discussed this very thing within the 1st minute of the show and they said its clever and legal but they did not explain why? Please can you find out what is the difference between what Ireland did and a obstruction cause it looks the same to me and its confusing where do they then draw the line and if this is legal all teams can do it so then whats the point of having players who specialize under the highball if we are now allowed to block players from contesting
Naandsê MW en Harry dankie vir die insette ek geniet julle bespreking ,sal eerder nie kommentaar lewer nie ,net Polly weer n generaal gewees .dankie geseende week groete Loggies.
En so sê die hele familie. Daar is 'n paar spelers moet bietjie op die bank sit. Soos faf maar dis my opinie. Gesels die naweek weer as daar 'n live is. Blessings vir jou week boet Loggies😊
@@annettekolb3103 hallo Annette hoop dit gaan goed, stem saam al daai ou spelers moet uit Rassie moet n nuwe span met jong spelers bou. Groete mooi loop. Loggies
The full back had to make a super quick decision in taking that ball into touch near the end. Lowe was bearing down on it too but I think there was another Bok player there that would have taken Lowe into touch had he caught it. I would not blame Sacha too much for it but it did cost them the game. That drop out by Pollard was a gimme for a drop goal for Ireland as Frawley had so much time to kick it.. Really great decision by Ireland to go for it and gave Frawley the opportunity to strike again. I don't think the Boks were expecting the first drop goal as they were up by 5 so late and Ireland usually go for a try when behind by more than 3 near the end. Ryan probably deserved a red for that croc roll but he had a super game otherwise. Frawley kicked a 60 meter penalty for Leinster against La Rochelle in the Cup group game. He has a powerful boot. The team that wins the 2nd game of a 2 game series after losing the first, is always happier but the Boks are still the best in the world.. I would still back you to win the 3rd test if there was one. Great comment about the niggling. I love it when my own team, Ireland does it, but hate it when the other team does it. Good show, guys! Interesting insights from you both. Nice to stumble upon your channel.
@@kiaoragin Great to have you! Such a balanced, knowledgeable comment as well. Sacha' s inexperience led to that decision, but he is such a prospect, we know he'll more than make up for it in future. And give kudos where it's due. Ireland played very intelligently and caught the Boks napping. Lastly, I agree with you about a third test: Boks would have come back for sure. Once again, much appreciate your comments.
If they missed with the drop goal, we were heroes again and everybody played like stars. To me Polly was not good, did nothing to go forward and Faf was bad. To be honest, all the guys were a bit flat. Congratulations to Ireland the had more "hond" in them.
The injuries were caused by two sets of strong committed MEN clashing into each other. SA are proud of their aggressive play, and cry when they meet strong opponents. FFS stop crying.
Morning MW and Harry thanks for the great show. To start off for me, gare play Ireland. We still nr 1 in the world on technology we won the series with 6 points😅. MW in our chats it was made very clear. It was a blood bath from the 1st whistle. Ireland had nothing to loose last game go go in go hard and inflict some pain. For me i would have played Evan Roos 1st, take out Salman and play kwagga off the bench. Salman did not even play on Saturday so waste of 6-2 bench space. Hat off to Eben that refuse to leave the game. That show grid and grind. 2nd Faf should take a seat now. He had a terrible game. Faf need to move to nr 4 now krappies nr 3 for now Cobus nr 2 and Grant nr 1. Everything faf did just cost us more penalties. When Grant came on difference was seen immediately. Just look at is cheeky kick chased it down to Ireland's 22 and take out Osborne with the ball. Williams to me he is our nr 1 go to. Polly did well with general ice in veins but his attacking game was totally off. O would love to see now a Sacha and DW combo on 10 and 15. CLA and CK was taken out of play with marks on them. Willie was planned to be taken out because they new he was our play maker but the Sacha show Ireland he is not to be underestimate. Line out rugs with every collapse there was a Ireland player lying offside cause for bongi to trip of the player again planned. I take my hat off to the ref for watching the previous match and saw porter should be watched for pulling the scrum down. Best for me Steenekamp did not engaged in the Ireland trap that was set for early engagement in the scrum that stood out for me. I am of the believe the nr 5 and 8 should have got carded but new law states no debate red card straight. 2 went in with a plan knew what they were doing knowing Marx was a soft target for injury. Hate the fact that we dont have a 3rd game decider but at the end of the day a draw. World ranking we still on 94 and Ireland on 90.we still the nr 1 team in the world
The Irish team for Durban was stronger and more balance. I agree with Kwagga selection as starter. Early injuries was disruptive. Ireland plays consistently well with 5/3 split, maybe we should focus less on 6/2 7/1 high risk attitude. And unfortunately Durban and the CT has the lowest Boks % win ratio. The closes fortress to Loftus is the new kid on the block Mbombela still at 100%. Last year against NZ was unreal, probably 50% Pretoria visitors. Ellis park for me has lost its aura. The 2 games against NZ going to be tough at those venues.
The Lowe try should never have been disallowed. The neck roll from Le Roux wasn't spotted. Also, the Kolbe try was dodgy. SA were very lucky with some of those disallowed tries in the 1st test. Even with the disallowed tries, Ireland still scored more tries over the 2 tests. Winnining the 2nd test is better than winning the 1st one. Ireland improved, SA didn't.
@@vjmightyw i think you mean the Irish and NZ are far smarter than SA we also play a great game of rugby . But hey you have the BUM SQUAD you put them out 3 times against Ireland and every time Ireland score more points when they’re on …🤣 isn’t the bum squad Rassie favorite gimmick..
41:51 it’s a good question, NZ have 4 world cups too (as you’re well aware) but they have a ridiculous ratio of tri nations & rugby championships. From a tournament that had only 2 other opponents, to now having 3, SA really under perform on that stage. In Ireland there is huge financial pressure to win six nations year on year as that’s where out money comes from. Maybe if we took a leaf out of SA’s book and peaked at the right time, we might get past the QFs!
It's call consistency. The best team is the most consistent team - You never know what you're going to get when you play South Africa, they're up and down like a whores knickers. They had something like a 65% win rate between the last two world cups -- that doesn't do much to put bums on seats. Ireland, well with them you always know it's going to be a battle because they don't like losing and their sold out games reflect that.
@@celticlofts Or perhaps they just take the long view. Perhaps they see the period between world cups as a time to blood inexperienced players, rest players, try new tactics and approaches and gradually build up to the world cup. If Ireland dropped to a lower win rate over the next 4 years and then walked away as world champions, i don't think either of us would be complaining.
Regarding the Doris yellow card I was just listening to Nigel Owens Whistle Watch podcast. His view was basically that it's up to the referees interpretation. Another day with another ref it might have been taken as a red or even two yellows. However, as a sports fan I never like to see a red card issued (for either team) as it more than likely destroys it as a contest and a win against a disadvantaged team isn't as sweet and will always have that caveat over it. I think Ireland probably were a little bit lucky in this particular case but they had some other decisions go against in the first test , so it probably balances out really. Most Bok fans have been gracious as has Rassie. If he really felt aggrieved he's not shy about letting people know.
Kwagga is a Flank & impact player at this level, to get the best out of him...Faf kicked grubber 5m from their goal line??? Pollard dropped in straight into their hands on the 25m. Their 15 caught EVERY high ball that we tried to retrieve...our short wings could not catch/retrieve any high balls. One high ball by them was not even nominated & bounced before being caught! Their try was almost a carbon copy of the previous test. How did they catch us twice. Esterhuizen + De Allende for the BIG tests please. Ox, RG & Mngomezulu played exceptionally well.
Jeez now the Boks are blaming the ground where the game was played. What a peculiar set of people. Their attitude is all wrong. A bully is lost when he is bullied.
Deeply disappointing MW. I felt that, going into the game, too many people were inferring that it would be a walk in the park. I did not share that sentiment. With hindsight, it might have been been a better call to inject players like Roos, Williams and Sacha into the starting line-up and see what they could do with the more expansive game. Also, and I don't think that it would have changed the outcome, I have seen video footage of the first drop-kick, and it did not appear to be legal. Anyhoo, as painful as it is, the Irish deserved the win. I'm sure that Rassie and his team are playing the long game. We need to be patient!
Hi Stephen. Always good to hear from you! With regards to the kick, definitely legal. Depends on what version of the video you saw. Hendrik Cronjé from Rapport also confirmed this. I have my doubts about the Tony Brown and Jerry Flannery. Harry and I will record a special edition of The Lekker Rugby Pods later this week where we will not only select a combined team of the tournament but talk about who is Rassie's reality check now that Jacques is gone (the NIE in Nienaber as Harry so eloquently calls it) and also, the effect of losing Felix Jones. I don't know if we should have gone with Sacha that soon. Manie might fit better into the Boks' new style but his place kicking remains a problem. Faf should definitely have been replaced by either Williams of Reinach, and Kwagga starting at eight in stead of someone like Roos was a huge mistake. He is an impact player par excellence, but not a starting number eight. Anyway, we have so many first choice players injured now, we might be forced to make some unusual changes. Let's see
@@megafoonsport MW I was not aware that there were other videos but, based on the one that I saw, it did not 'appear' to be legal. Nonetheless, I don't believe that it would have altered the outcome. Amongst other things, the players you mentioned were simply too poor on the day. I think that we might see the same type of expansive game plan that was used in the Loftus match against Portugal. However, given the opposition, it's unlikely to answer any questions moving forward. I always look forward to your content.
Guys you are 4 times world champions, the world isnt coming to an end. Embrace the new rivalry. Its an honour and pleasure to play the mighty Springboks. Dont become bitter kiwi pundits. Ireland are a great side, no shame in drawing a series against us!!!
No, were not bitter! We love the rivalry with rhe Irish and there's a healthy debate going on about who our real arch rivals are. We are simply navelgazing about where it went wrong for us. Rugby means so much over here that when something goes wrong, it is intensely felt. Not a reflection on the Irish, but rather on how much this game means to us.
18:09 Sorry Harry you are a very balanced respectful pundit but Doris and Ryan were not "trying to break Marx' leg" they were trying to remove him from the ruck. Ryan deserved a card, Doris possibly shouldn't even have been penalised, he pulled out of the tackle without making a dent on Marx, however, when Ryan came in he pushed Doris onto Marx's leg. It was Ryan who fully completed the croc roll.
I am happy for Frawley as a person and player. He had a similar kick in the last few seconds of the Champions Cup final against Toulouse which he just missed and which cost Leinster the game. It goes to show how thin the margins are between winning and losing and all these comments about being chokers or not having a winning temperament are rubbish.
What, we came back and almost won it, if sacha left the ball at the end the result would've been different. Don't flatter yourself. Yes Ireland came to play and we did so too, just too late though.
@@TheBuildKingRwe scored 4 tries against you at loftus two very good ones disallowed so I think it was SA that flattered itself in the first game. You were beaten beaten well as rugby goes as an 80 minute game. Your guy here is giving out all the wrong data run metres we had two less than SA we passed the ball more we kicked better and 90m of kicks scored 6 points….excuses excuses.
@@davidwalker2402😂😂😂 that's funny scoreboard counts at the end of the day. I could argue that we are playing a different style, but it's pointless. Only thing that counts at the end of this banter is winning world cups, and looking at that now...
Fascinating the series was drawn yet you pretend as if Ireland won something that of Extreme importance. Yes we lost this one with 1 point and the WC one with 5. Here's a fact if we got you in the 1/4 final of the WC you still would've lost. What a moron you are.
Kwagga is a Flank & impact player at this level, to get the best out of him...Faf kicked grubber 5m from their goal line??? Pollard dropped in straight into their hands in the 25m. Their 15 caught EVERY high ball that we tried to retrieve...our short wings could not catch/retrieve any high balls. One high ball by them was not even nominated & bounced before being caught!
Klip in die bos: So we appoint an assistant coach from NZ to come and teach us a new dimension of rugby tactics. In the first test of this tactic, the feared, rock solid reigning WC champion team, looks confused and uncertain. The proven link-up between Faf and Pollard misfires. Pollard looks out of sorts, and not just in his goal kicking. The much vaunted machine around scrums and breakdowns gets dissipated by the flanks running off to the back line. Tony Brown isn't here to teach. He is here to learn the Springbok way. I'm willing to bet he'll be back with the All Blacks as chief coach by the next World Cup. For now, let him prove his revolutionary ideas with the u-20 Baby Boks. If it proves to be the road to Damascus, we can draw talent from there into the Springboks for 2027.
You could argue the second test was more important too. Both sides had 1 week to adjust and make the necessary improvements after the 1st test. And the side who wins the 2nd of two tests feel more like the 'winners' even though it was a drawn series.
We cannot change a lot of things. But here is one thing that can change: Rassie should at least shave and dress like a coach of the World Champion Rugby team. He looks like a homie who missed the bus after the matric holiday in Margate in 1974...
Gaan Manie Libbok regtig verbeter, ek dink dat hy het nie BMT nie. Kyk hoe het hy gesukkel in die Stormers se laatste URC wedstryd waar hulle seisoen verby was.
Wrong personnel. Too many average performances from Kolisi, Bognambi and De Klerk. New personnel needed.Pace needed at loose forward. Only Smiht has a bit of pace.
Lads i get the point about Durban, but the Springboks media, Rassie et al did the biggest and best marketing job for this tour that I have seen in history. The whole no. 1 title thing, Irish arrogance, revenge for WRC group match. It was like the promotion of an MMA fight. It was the first time I’ve seen an opposition team booed onto a pitch ffs. You may think all this was to stoke the rivalry but the reality is sport tourism. Irish fans travel but they like to travel to nice places. So sticking a game in the most foreboding place where there is no sun and shit beer isn’t a great idea for that money maker. Asking your boys to play better is.
🤣 We'll never play where there's shit beer and the sun always shine here. But seriously, the booing is completely unacceptable and we have said so many, many times. It's not how we do it and we hate it. I think this ties into your MMA narrative. I think the hype has been drawing the wrong (non-rugby) crowd and that is where that behaviour comes from. I personally think Rassie has to calm down with the mind games. No-one is falling for it anymore.
We were all robbed of a 3rd test..Irish fan here...and ahh common lads Ireland had a rookie 15 who should have had MOTM..frawley never gets playing 10 for leinster...2nd and 4th choice 9s ..no bundee or Dan Sheehan nash is not near as good as hanson,and I know you have a young 10..but Ireland have a young lad named prendegast at 10 who is brilliant and is waiting on the wings.
I have to say Damian DA was outstanding...he did not go backwards, Not once. look Ireland was outstanding but to not have the power or the killer attitude on our own soil was the disappointment. Frawley was MOTM , better than Ox to be fair. Quite a few missing stars...I mean they were on the field but missing...
@@gerardkelsh1011 Hi Gerald. We asked the question whether it was deliberate or not, and Harry made it quite clear that he didn't think it was. It was just one of the most physical matches in a long time.
@@megafoonsport I understand that and agree but the point I'm poorly making is that it would be definitive if, for example, Etzebeth was asked what happened. Because otherwise it's just opinions without evidence. Thanks
@gerardkelsh1011 True, but we don't always have access to the players, especially not the Springboks. I asked Harry for his opinion because he was at the stadium and you can generally see if there's any niggle. As an aside, I typed my previous reply sitting at Loftus, waiting to speak to the coach. So, when we do have access, we ask the questions 😅 Very nice to hear from you!
LOL...Ireland desperately need to try convince themselves that they're better than The Mighty Springboks. We drew the series and you lot are celebrating like you won the World Cup 🤣We are number 1 in the World and are 4 time WC champs, Ireland just can't stand that because they have never managed to get past the quarters in the WC. Rassie is the greatest coach of all time, the whole world knows that.
I think rassie and co tried to use mind games way too much & had some degree of reliability on how hostile the crowds would be. I can’t speak for all of ireland but making fun of our zombie since the WC when it was written for innocent dead children, dj playing emotional damage when Crowley missed . Dj hyping up the crowd when Casey was knocked out. I can’t have imagined any of that went down well with irish players. Andy Farrell doesn’t really like the media side of things at all and what you see what you get. Ireland only plays in Dublin because of the agreement with aviva . Sponsorship and financially and think of it logically. It’s an extremely small country
The DJ at Loftus is a problem, even for us. Took the crowd out of the game in the URC final as well. We want a game of rugby, not a disco. I think the gamesmanship from our side is a bit over the top. It's nice (funny) when it happens but when the shoe is on the other foot, we don't like it. Referring to both Rassie selecting an Irish team and the crowds here. Wrt to the Zombie / Rassie song: I hear you and I respect that but weren't the Irish the first to sing it at a rugby match? I think the Rassie version came about as a result of thát game in the RWC and how we felt that night, hearing that being sung. Devastated. Not an excuse but an explanation
@@megafoonsport no sorry ireland has been singing zombie for years, particularly at Munster:. ITS OUR SONG. Not yours. We can sing it whenever we want, saffas thought it was a personal attack on them: if they had taken 2 seconds to google the words they would have maybe kept their mouth shut. Or actually considerering how disrespectful they have been all year and through the series , they probably would have made it worse. Make fun of a song that was written about innocent children dying … then you get hand handed Karma, boo a kicker and play emotional damage when he misses. Then you get to lose at the death with a drop goal. Ireland stadiums don’t behave like that . Maybe you should follow suit
Fair play about Zoimbie. As far as the crowd is concerned, we mentioned somewhere else that the hype may be drawing the wrong (non-rugby) audience. I suspect that is where the booing is coming from. Personally, I absolutely detest it and I have said so many times. We as an SA audience have always respected the opposition and this kind of behaviour is not on.
My god lads yee are reaching out searching for excuses ya should listen to yourselves after ya finish. If we didn't get the drop goal at the end and ya won the game you would be saying how great yee are and all excuses you mentioned wouldn't have been mentioned. Facts
😀 No, not really. Even if we had won, the reality is that we played poorly, keeping in mind the new-fangled coaches, game plan etc. A lot of things to wring our hands about! !
Frawley did outsmart the Boks and the referee! Ireland did play well however, PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT THOSE DROP GOALS FROM FRAWLEY BOTH OF THEM DONT TOUCH THE GROUND. WHY DONT THE TMO CHECK THEM OUT , BOTH THOSE DROP GOALS ARE NOT LEGAL AT ALL!!!
I've hear this nonsense already and checked the second winning drop goal in slow-mo numerous times and your wrong it touched ground. I'll take it you heard that on the internet and are just regurgitating it without having checked it.
Honestly you think ABBA being played and bouncy castles party atmosphere suited Ireland better?? Also, coming down from altitude suited Ireland ?? Is this a serious channel??
Well, depends on your point of view! Jokes aside, what we meant was the atmosphere for us wasn't serious enough, like it was at Loftus. And the crowd singing Abba comment was aimed at the DJ's taking the crowd out of the equation. Same as happened at Loftus in the URC final. Rugby is a serious business and it was treated too much like a party rather than a test match. And that's on us.
@@megafoonsport I get that point, but to say that it suited Ireland like it gave us some sort of advantage. Sounds like you’re clutching for any excuse, same as your altitude point.
@@ShaneMcG7855 No, definitely not looking for excuses here. I feel quite strongly we were outplayed and outsmarted. A lot of my fellow South Africans say it was only a point and so on: Point is, two great teams, Irish without several of their best players, on SA soil, we should have done better. To me overall, advantage Ireland for the fact it was played here. Enjoyed it and the (friendly) rivalry immensely.
We live in the present and fortress South Africa has been breached at home. For a country that demands to prove itself the best - you failed, against an Irish team lacking some key players. That is where we are today.
I get where you are coming from but rugby is a physical game I however don't like the Irish way of playing the do to many underhanded things in their game that is not sportman like.
@@saiyandemonisherkeep telling yourself that, SA players angels from heaven. Don’t worry you will remain the N01 whinning team of all time. You just can’t take it that other teams can be better than you even the tiniest rugby nations in the world.
Maybe rassie should spend more time picking his team than ours?
🤣 Well said
Haha!!
@@fergalbannon4614 touché sir 😂
well played
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It's the Guinness. We need to switch from Castle to Guinness!
Has to be!
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Pure mothers milk Guinness
They say Guinness doesn't travel but you have no excuse because there is a Guinness factory in Nigeria.
@@22grena it will never taste like it in ireland .. as good just not the same
The ref gave SA every single point they scored. Please dont blame him.
I think the bok fans underestimated the irish. The hype train from Rassie was definitely overboard, hes setting himself up when he does that.
@@user-qe1tv1bu2fwow.....thats a stretch.....when did farrel lead his team to two world cups...
Thanks guys great chat , very honest. As an irish man
Glad you enjoyed it
Casual Irish fan here, (but a lad who would not be drunk after five beers). Just to say that I found your analysis so broadly and eloquently reflective and realistic. Irish fans have been raving about the reception in SA, the ambiance etc. Respect! So enjoyed the series. Up the Bokke! C'mon Ireland! See ye again soon!
Thank you! Not everyone agrees with you, bur we try!
Well said. The only Saffa that let them down again was that Muppet Rassie. Did you see him trying to stare down the Irish when they were warming up. What a plank. Andy Farrell doesn't need all these sad gimmicks. Get rid of him, he is a loser.
@@megafoonsport SA is a fabulously welcoming country. I enjoyed the banter at Loftus.
So the American guy is making far too many excuses. Durban suited Ireland more than South Africa!!?? 😂😂 You are reaching to suggest that training in Pretoria prepared SA poorly for Durban. This is hilarious. Athletes go to altitude to train for competitions not at altitude. There is no merit to that argument and in any case, EITHER venue would have been more alien to Ireland.
The truth is that an Ireland B team (missing 6 or 7 starters) beat the WC winning, most experienced Springbok side ever, in their back yard, with 11 men at a point! That’s the honest truth. As for looking back on ref calls, here are the links to the ref analysis on both games, by a South African by the way. On balance Ireland should have won the first game, whatever about the 2nd. So Springboks are very lucky overall.
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The altitude question was tongue in cheek. If anyone knows about playing rugby at altitude or not, it is us (me being a Bulls supporter and all).
Interestingly, in SA a car develops 17% more power at the coast than on the Highveld because of the air. Not an engineer and turbo's less affected but it does play a role to a degree but the other way around. And it negates the advantage of altitude which has always been an SA thing.
A lot of bollocks talk about two great teams! What passion by both!
Thank you for your in depth analysis. I think the winner over the series was international test rugby.
I understand the SA pundits and some fans are a little dissapointed but you guys are world champions and well deserved.
My point is it's not the end of the world, let the paying fans enjoy the occasion and the cultural interaction.
With all that's going on in the world occasions like this should be celebrated.
Beat of luck in the championship and we'll see you in Dublin in a year or two.
Thank you. We enjoyed these two tests immensely! South Africa need to up their game to be more consistent in my opinion to really be able to claim to be the best in the world. The Championship will be a great test for all the nations competing, with new coaches etc. all around. Start of a new cycle makes everything more uncertain and exciting!
Thank you for watching with us!
You are not 1 win from 4 games against Ireland, you are 1 win from 5 games against them.
Sure but we are referring to games played with Rassie as coach, which was the theme of the video.
@@megafoonsport Ahh, fair enough then. Anyway, it's great to see that the top 5 sides in the world are all at a similar level. Makes the sport more enjoyable for all.
@@PB22559 or 4 from the last 13 games played
and we are 19 wins from 30 games and 7 of those in ireland.....not a bad record@@PB22559
That's right. Rassie was not in charge when Ireland won 38-3
Sth Africa scored only from penalties. Ireland scored from penalties, a try, conversion and a few drop goals, much more diversity in Ireland’s attack.
I think the Boks fans are taking the one game loss and only by a point very very hard. Being very unfair on themselves really. Theres no shame in that loss.
Them drop goals aint easy to take and could have easily missed.
The problem for Boks fans is they believed there own hype train and expected too much from there own team and wrote Ireland off before the game began.
@@zeppirl Not true, we were well aware that we were not playing well from the first 15 minutes of the first Test we knew
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Fact.. look at the interviews with the Bok fans before the match. Ireland dead and buried by 15 points. You believed your own hype and got humbled.
@@zeppirl True, but this is what happens when you play mind games and lose! Picking the Irish team?? Picking the same team for test two?? That was all about making a statement and that statement was “we fucked you up and you need to make changes and we don’t”. 6/2? Then you find you have 2 injured backs! Bok squad defused. Big risks mean either big reward or failure. You live by the sword…. hubris. Now Ireland have even caused SA problems in the Rugby Championship! The Ireland team never rose to the bate, the SA team did. Ireland did their taking on the pitch.
Great series. A few observations from an Irish URC fan (I’ve seen a lot of SA teams this season):
1. Get Sacha more game time. Phenomenal talent.
2. Faff is past it. Start Williams.
3. Most Irish fans who have a clue do not think Ireland is #1. We just believe we can compete with anybody when we are on our game.
4. Cap David Kriel.
5. Boks and SA pundits underestimated Ireland in the build up to the second test.
6. Ireland were competitive even without a scrum.
7. Test rugby at this level really is a game of fine margins. Either test could have gone either way.
Fantastic summary. Couldn't have put it better myself (especially the bit about David Kriel being a Bulls fan🤣)
It's difficult doing this and being completely unbiased, but we try to. But it will always be through a South African lens, just as much as Irish commentators will always do it through an Irish lens. It's sport after all and that's how it should be.
Thank you for watching
You see you finally met someone who can play Rugby and still stand up to you, not afraid of the bully and put him in his place, SA have been doing it for years, this time you met your match, someone who knew how to deal with it, and then at the end Kolby taking a blatant dive ,cheating, and his captain remonstrating with the ref .to try and change the outcome of the game ..............you were beaten by a better team ,a team who came to play Rugby. Good teams don't need to resort to those tactics guys.
No mention of the ref handing 3 points to boks for a imaginary irish knock on when Nash didnt even touch the ball. It was clearly a boks player but where was last weeks try cancelling TMO?
Was not a imaginary knock on go have a look. The call was right because it was right in front off the camera. Ref stood on the wrong side AR called the knock not tmo
@@annettekolb3103 The game is online... Nash irish player didnt touch it. Boks young fullback did.
@@markmacken1 i just watched it slowed it down Sacha knocked it backwards. The wall around the receiver made it look deceptive.
That was a frustrating decision . Nash never touched it . Captains job to raise it with ref rather than just blindly accepting it
@@tomf1dublin1 He did raise it, ref asked the TMO but comms broke down.
He did definitely...figured us out.
For sure!
Irish fan here and I hope that the SA clubs bring that anger into the URC next season and really throw the towel down against the provinces and come looking for blood. Best league in the world!
(Irish supporter here) I haven't seen this before, but really enjoyed the honest and intelligent analysis of a great test series. I would only take issue with the comments about the Marks incident- I accept that Ireland could have had two cards, and that one of them might have been red, but I don't want to think that Doris and Ryan had a premeditated plan to crock one of their opponents. I hope what they did was a situational response in that particular ruck.
Great to hear from you, and welcome
I think it's as simple as this. Ireland has always had the system and game plan. We just went to a level of intensity and physicality that we've never shown before in the first half. That's what caught the Boks out in the first half. Boks showed why they are rightfully the World champs in the second half. We hung in there and somehow got the win.
It was an amazing 2 test series. We got humbled in the first test and showed unbelievable guts in the second test.
Weren't we lucky as fans to witness 2 amazing test matches from 2 of the best teams in the world?
Odd that you need to make the opposition uncomfortable to gain an advantage. Other countries don`t feel this way.
James Ryan showed why Snyman will be riding the bench next year in Leinster.
Hmmm... Good point!
Ireland fan here. Too much bleedin‘ naval gazing about this test guys. Boks still numero uno in my book. Game could have gone either way.
How many game did Snyman play for Munster? Always "injured" it seemed, but not when the Boks had a game. So .. maybe his plan is to "ride the bench" at Leinster and take the cash.
@@Clarkgravel Likewise the first test could have gone either way, both tests in SA.
Sure he will be out injured anyway, he's good at that ,he played longer in yesterdays game than at any time in his 5 years at Munster
What an amazing game! Thanks for the opportunity! Can’t wait for the next rugby! 🇮🇪
SA are professionals, great professionals, they should be able to play anywhere, Ireland just played better , nothing to do with the ground or the crowd , the scores didn't reflect the game
Guys, the main difference with Durban was the altitude. It had very little to do with atmosphere.
A brilliant series and a great rivalry developing between 2 lekker sides ❤
The whole knee incident is nonsense. Yes if you slow down the replay it looks potentially deliberate. Played back at normal speed nobody had the time to even think about landing on another guys knee in a deliberate fasion.
Fair play to you on the ‘obstruction’ comment. Frawley was too far out to be blocked. If you look at the replay he hardly had a second to set himself which makes the kick even more amazing. It could easily have gone wide and it would be a different analysis. But it was a classic finish that ran up to the drop goal and carried out to perfection. That takes a team effort too!
Big match temperament by the bucket load!
If you look back at that Kolbe has positioned himself in a direct shortest line to Frawley. He 100% knew it was going there and after checking the first dart offside was right on the money with the ball coming out but Frawley was simply too deep to be got at and Kolbe who had barely made 50% of the ground did what he did. You know… ahem.. slipped.
Don't give Durban another test match. Go to Cape Town.
SA never looked like scoring a try. They relied on penalties to get close. The previous test at altitude was gifted to SA by the ref/TMO and a couple of dreadful errors by Lowe.
I think you guys are watching too many conspiracy theories, those injuries were just the result of a very physical encounter
Yes, but we had to ask the question, especially after what happened to Bongi in the RWC final
Then you'd expect the injuries to be both ways, wouldn't you?
In the first 20 minutes, both 2nd rowers bleeding in the same place, then Mostert's knee... That takes care of the lineout and breakdown dominance. Then Rassie also intimated Marx's knee was a worry too.
We brought boxing gloves to a knife fight.
Etsebeth had the red mist down. When he went off for the second blood bandage, he waved off the replacement. He knew exactly who and how he got cut and had unfinished business.
@@stephanuhu963 Law of small numbers applies so no you wouldn’t necessarily
Andy is amazing! I'm a Kiwi. Ireland are the real deal! Look forward to ABs v SA. I'd like us to get 1 win. But it'll be brutal. The Boks depth is wicked! Kwaggas nose tells the story! Lol! World rugby is in a great state. Very competitive!
40:45 I can tell you now that no one in Ireland is going nuts about a Rayburn shield! Never even heard of it.
@@patrickbrennan911 These guys are quite biased. They are condescending to Ireland. They put the loss down to SA underperforming while ignoring the fact that Ireland are such a good team that SA couldn't deal with them in the first half. Ireland scored the only try and they showed the class to take the 2 drop kicks that won the game.
@@Lynx-Ash-23 I think they are trying to be fair but through a biased lens, in as much as we are all biased to a degree. They picked up 3 points in that 2nd test that they shouldn’t have. However we were lucky with the card. I think it was the first test we were really hard done by. SA given a try that they shouldn’t have as Lowe was in touch. And Ireland denied a try from Doris that was deemed as held up, even though the footage is conclusive. That’s the game!
@@Lynx-Ash-23 here’s the video
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I think we are necessarily biased (to a degree) being South African. We will therefore obviously look at what we did wrong to have lost and that includes being outsmarted and outplayed (it's in the title!). However, throughout the video we have made it clear how well Ireland planned, executed and played for these matches. Respect definitely given and earned here. Like Harry says, subjectively objective!
Agree with most you guys said except on Pollard. Kick to poles brilliantly in 2nd test. Our 8,9 & 10 were our weak spot with ball in hand. Our coaching staff failed the test. Not often you said that about Erasmus & Co. Outside World Cups the Springboks are a Top 3 team, not the nr 1 team. Damn that is painful to type out.
Very honest take from you. No one is 'number 1'. The last 5 games against Ireland- SA have only 1 win and Ireland have 4 wins. You can't say you're better than a side who's beaten you 4 out of the last 5 games.
SA are world champs and deservedly so but they only one their 3 knock out games by 1 pt. They didn't dominate anyone. They could've easily lost any of those 3 games. And they were playing against 14 for the majority of the final.
People forget Ireland have only lost 3 of their last 24 (25?) games and this side never lose two big games on the trot. The Irish were not leaving without a win and they always play well when they're written off. The mid week confidence from the saffer pundits and fans played into the Irish players hands.
With regards who's the best? I think any of SA, Ire, Fra, NZ, Eng can beat each other on any given day. There's very little between these sides and that's a great thing for rugby.
Yes. Very well said. I have to agree with you
@PB22559 tbh I think Ire Sa and France are all a level above nz and eng atm, France were terrible in the 6n but when dupont and Ntmack return they will be chasing that #1 spot very hard.
100% on coaches agreed! Isolated our players and as expected got hurt badly!
11:12 “by wasting time and tying his shoelace”? The reason you lost that game is because for the last 10 to 15 minutes, you played not to lose. Exactly as you were suggesting. Ireland player to win, for all 80 mins.
Fair
First time listening to this POD. I loved it, really good insight into the world of SA rugby. I'll spread the word in Ireland.
@@Con-pt1gk Great, thank you. Plenty more where this came from!
First time ive seen it too, and its the best one.
Agree these guys are real rugby men
@@megafoonsport : I'm from Ireland and thought it was a very fair and balanced discussion. Sadly that's not always the case listening to South African pundits so you guys are a breath of fresh air - altitude or not.
Just a point on the Doris yellow card, Estebeth causes the incident by holding Mccarthy for a few seconds and preventing him from clearing the ruck, this leaves Doris on his own, who was not strong enough to move Marx, Ryan would not have been near that tackle, he was about 10 yards away and came in late, without the foul play from Eben, there would have been no card and SA would be 9 points lighter on the scoreboard. On the PTSD push by McCloskey, the ref clearly tells him 3 times that he was looking at it and trys to walk away, PTSD is hassling the ref and should have been carded. Doris was reprimanded by the ref in game one, when asking the ref to check the incident where Casey was knocked unconscious, also threatened with a 10m advance.
Pollard made his penalty kicks. Crowley was far better around the park. Moving the team. Changing atrack. He qas better overall on the day a player. All Pollard did was kick. Hes not even as good as Libbok at getting the team moving.
Saffas are very quiet on Kolbe's disgraceful dive, zero respect for that clown now
Don't see much from the Irish about the disgusting crocodile roll on Marx either strangely, weird huh?
@@craigweideman6194 there has been a lot of coverage of the marx incident, not so weird huh
A lot of that doesn't make sense 😕 that SA winger fella took a dive at the end. There are a few teams in the premiership that would like him.. 😊
Personally, I don't think he dived but rather slipped. Regardless, no question of obstruction in my opinion
He ran and slipped into the legs of Bealham and then turned onto his back waving his arms wildly. Trying to get everyone’s attention and to put off Frawley. Blatant attempt to cheat.
@megafoonsport he slipped yes. But after he slipped he threw his arms up as if he was tripped. So he at the very least tried to cheat.
@@megafoonsport I agree.
8:51 there is no way pollard outplayed Crowley. Pollard did not have a good game at all. Aside from the kicking, but there’s more to that position than kicking. You got 12 points in the period of the yellow card. 3 of which should never have been given.
Agree with you on Pollard. Harry begs to differ though!
Boks squeaked the World Cup and could easily have lost every real game they played. They didn't, and that's to their credit, but now some of their fans think they should steamroll everyone because they have the cup.
Ireland played their system rugby better than they ever have in the first half. SA had a sketchy half in comparison. Despite this, Ireland were still almost beaten if it wasn't for the outlier boot of Frawley. Snatching victory from what would have been a devastating defeat, because Ireland did deserve to win on the day.
First time watching this but a great review of the series, as an England, we look forward to Twickenham and hope to put you away ... please bring Kwaka and leave Malcom and the truly terrifying Ox behind. Its hard to believe that the Boks won't be able to pumpr the Aussies.
Utterly ridiculous point at 23 min mark. South African teams have been beating other teams up for years. You can’t complain when other teams do to you. The South Africans blood was spilt by their own actions by charging into rucks head first.
Really great chat and insights in this segment. I really like this pod and I look forward to it every week. I don't think the Boks have to be that despondent. Ireland is one of the world's best teams and they were fortunate to win it with a drop goal. Granted, South Africa should've controlled the game better at the end, but I think the loss of Willie and the inexperience of Sacha were factors. I think Sacha did very well for being thrown into the deep end 2 minutes into the game.
Two main factors stand out for me in these two tests. Kwagga is not an 8 and he's an impact player. I think Hanekom will be the answer in the long run. Maybe have a look at Augustus? The other factor is Faf. The Boks played a lot better when Williams came on. When is the last time Faf played well? He was terrible the last test. Terrible kicking and terrible decision-making as well. Who the hell kicks the ball away 10m from their opponents' tryline? Terrible! There are more than enough decent scrummies playing in SA right now. Williams, Van den Berg and Papier are all better than Faf.
Farrell is a very clever coach. He is also an extremely tough man and would think nothing asking his players to run into brick walls and expecting it of them. He is also great at fine tuning new players who come to play for him. He lets them know that it’s a unique chance and works on their best traits.
Brilliant coach. Can't wait to see what he does with the Lions next year!
He's also the dad of Farrell the younger, dirty player of renown.
@@stephanuhu963 And?
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Owen Farrell isn't even playing International Rugby and you are still whinging about him. Get over it ffs
@@megafoonsportI’d say the lions will be unbelievable with him at the helm.
I think at the beginning of the week Rassie thought he’d put one over on Ireland by naming the same team an action to try scare Ireland that SAs are some kind of super power. So Ireland all week with plenty of injuries and new players having to show up. Match day first 10 minutes the over tired SAs start falling like flies the rest of the bunch looked tired from the first test and heavy legged Ireland ran straight over them.
SA and Rassie are trying to win games without playing. This was a test and a time to test the huge pool of players you have just 4 players would have freshened up SA but In believe Rassie has a very big ego and to me he messed up badly. Cmon it’s a test it’s for testing players. That’s my opinion and I think Andy wins the day.
Agreed. Farrell with less resources and more injuries to key players still got more out of his players, some of them (like Blade at SH) were 4th/5th choice for Ireland.
Rassie picking Kwagga at 8 turned out to be a mistake. He didn't play well at all and was totally outplayed by his opposite number- Doris. Kwagga's much better coming off the bench.
I don't think saffers realise that Ireland always play well when they're considered the underdog. That's always been part of the Irish DNA. I'm assuming Rassie knew that from his time coaching in Ireland. Andy Farrell had a real go at his players for underperforming in the first test and losing the 2nd test was not an option for them. When sides are evenly matched, mentality is everything. I predicted Ireland would win this game. This team doesn't lose 2 games on the trot. I think they're only 3 losses from 24 games? The Boks needed a humbling after all the talk and they got it. They may be world champs but they're only 1 win from 5 games against Ireland.
Maybe the South African's were stunned but I don't think anyone in the Northern Hemisphere was shocked. Remember Ireland lost their first game in New Zealand and then won the next two to win the series. Maybe the South Africans should be happy they only had two games and walked away with a draw. Imagine how you'd feel had you lost the series - I don't know if your national psyche could have handled it to be honest because the feedback from comments about the games suggest not. The Irish, had they lost, would have just learned from the experience and moved on. That's the difference between them.
Goeie naand menere. I have been waiting with baited breath for this to drop as I have a question from a fan to a pundit which has been bugging me relentless. During the Ireland game everytime Faf took the ball out of a ruck and did a kick to 22 you would see Irish players turn to run for the ball but as soon as they identified the catcher 3 or 4 Irish players would then stop dead around the catcher with their backs to the opposing side making almost like a fence so the opposition player wanting to contest for the high ball has to run around them. Is that allowed cause it happened a few times and I in no way want to diminish the Irish win I genuinely want to know. If you watch the replay you will see what I mean it was annoying cause as I see it that's obstruction. Anyway Thanx for always listing to my rants and doing a fantastic job on your podcast ❤
Ek aal moet rondvra!
@@saiyandemonisher I didn’t see the SA players politely stepping out of the way to let the Irish chasers run through to catch the ball. 😂 of course it’s allowed provided you don’t change your line to deliberately block the runners. Faf’s kicking wasn’t great. He wasn’t finding much space .
@@danielg8001 They formed the fence deliberately, 3 to 4 irish players running towards each other and stopped.to protect the catcher. I hope someone with the knowledge can tell us if this is legal.
As far as my understanding it is allowed however as fans we feel it is obstruction. I have questioned it myself but last week the commentators did say it is a new thing and have been allowed
@@megafoonsport Goeie more meneer. Skuus as ek weer pla en soos n ou record klink. Last night on Super rugby Victor and Breyton discussed this very thing within the 1st minute of the show and they said its clever and legal but they did not explain why? Please can you find out what is the difference between what Ireland did and a obstruction cause it looks the same to me and its confusing where do they then draw the line and if this is legal all teams can do it so then whats the point of having players who specialize under the highball if we are now allowed to block players from contesting
Great to hear from Durban
Naandsê MW en Harry dankie vir die insette ek geniet julle bespreking ,sal eerder nie kommentaar lewer nie ,net Polly weer n generaal gewees .dankie geseende week groete Loggies.
Altyd lekker Loggies
En so sê die hele familie. Daar is 'n paar spelers moet bietjie op die bank sit. Soos faf maar dis my opinie. Gesels die naweek weer as daar 'n live is. Blessings vir jou week boet Loggies😊
@@annettekolb3103 hallo Annette hoop dit gaan goed, stem saam al daai ou spelers moet uit Rassie moet n nuwe span met jong spelers bou. Groete mooi loop. Loggies
The full back had to make a super quick decision in taking that ball into touch near the end. Lowe was bearing down on it too but I think there was another Bok player there that would have taken Lowe into touch had he caught it. I would not blame Sacha too much for it but it did cost them the game. That drop out by Pollard was a gimme for a drop goal for Ireland as Frawley had so much time to kick it.. Really great decision by Ireland to go for it and gave Frawley the opportunity to strike again. I don't think the Boks were expecting the first drop goal as they were up by 5 so late and Ireland usually go for a try when behind by more than 3 near the end. Ryan probably deserved a red for that croc roll but he had a super game otherwise.
Frawley kicked a 60 meter penalty for Leinster against La Rochelle in the Cup group game. He has a powerful boot.
The team that wins the 2nd game of a 2 game series after losing the first, is always happier but the Boks are still the best in the world.. I would still back you to win the 3rd test if there was one. Great comment about the niggling. I love it when my own team, Ireland does it, but hate it when the other team does it. Good show, guys! Interesting insights from you both. Nice to stumble upon your channel.
@@kiaoragin Great to have you! Such a balanced, knowledgeable comment as well. Sacha' s inexperience led to that decision, but he is such a prospect, we know he'll more than make up for it in future.
And give kudos where it's due. Ireland played very intelligently and caught the Boks napping. Lastly, I agree with you about a third test: Boks would have come back for sure.
Once again, much appreciate your comments.
If they missed with the drop goal, we were heroes again and everybody played like stars. To me Polly was not good, did nothing to go forward and Faf was bad. To be honest, all the guys were a bit flat. Congratulations to Ireland the had more "hond" in them.
Yes. Exactly right
The injuries were caused by two sets of strong committed MEN
clashing into each other. SA are proud of their aggressive play, and cry when they meet strong opponents. FFS stop crying.
Yes, most of them and no-one's crying about that. We asked the question because it's relevant. Marx was a different story though
Let`s have a series in Ireland. See who wins.
Boks has an average win record outside the RWC.
We should be used to it by now.
The Boks much vaunted depth still need to be demonstrated.
Facts
Morning MW and Harry thanks for the great show.
To start off for me, gare play Ireland. We still nr 1 in the world on technology we won the series with 6 points😅. MW in our chats it was made very clear. It was a blood bath from the 1st whistle. Ireland had nothing to loose last game go go in go hard and inflict some pain.
For me i would have played Evan Roos 1st, take out Salman and play kwagga off the bench. Salman did not even play on Saturday so waste of 6-2 bench space. Hat off to Eben that refuse to leave the game. That show grid and grind.
2nd Faf should take a seat now. He had a terrible game. Faf need to move to nr 4 now krappies nr 3 for now Cobus nr 2 and Grant nr 1. Everything faf did just cost us more penalties. When Grant came on difference was seen immediately. Just look at is cheeky kick chased it down to Ireland's 22 and take out Osborne with the ball. Williams to me he is our nr 1 go to.
Polly did well with general ice in veins but his attacking game was totally off. O would love to see now a Sacha and DW combo on 10 and 15.
CLA and CK was taken out of play with marks on them. Willie was planned to be taken out because they new he was our play maker but the Sacha show Ireland he is not to be underestimate.
Line out rugs with every collapse there was a Ireland player lying offside cause for bongi to trip of the player again planned. I take my hat off to the ref for watching the previous match and saw porter should be watched for pulling the scrum down. Best for me Steenekamp did not engaged in the Ireland trap that was set for early engagement in the scrum that stood out for me.
I am of the believe the nr 5 and 8 should have got carded but new law states no debate red card straight. 2 went in with a plan knew what they were doing knowing Marx was a soft target for injury.
Hate the fact that we dont have a 3rd game decider but at the end of the day a draw. World ranking we still on 94 and Ireland on 90.we still the nr 1 team in the world
The Irish team for Durban was stronger and more balance. I agree with Kwagga selection as starter. Early injuries was disruptive. Ireland plays consistently well with 5/3 split, maybe we should focus less on 6/2 7/1 high risk attitude. And unfortunately Durban and the CT has the lowest Boks % win ratio. The closes fortress to Loftus is the new kid on the block Mbombela still at 100%. Last year against NZ was unreal, probably 50% Pretoria visitors. Ellis park for me has lost its aura. The 2 games against NZ going to be tough at those venues.
Did RG not target Craig Casey mmmmmm Marx plays on Casey goes to hospital Doris gets sent off and SA get 12 points . Quit with excuses…
@@davidwalker2402 you guys are specialist in the dark arts 🎭 Copied-from New Zealand.
The Lowe try should never have been disallowed. The neck roll from Le Roux wasn't spotted. Also, the Kolbe try was dodgy. SA were very lucky with some of those disallowed tries in the 1st test. Even with the disallowed tries, Ireland still scored more tries over the 2 tests.
Winnining the 2nd test is better than winning the 1st one. Ireland improved, SA didn't.
@@vjmightyw i think you mean the Irish and NZ are far smarter than SA we also play a great game of rugby . But hey you have the BUM SQUAD you put them out 3 times against Ireland and every time Ireland score more points when they’re on …🤣 isn’t the bum squad Rassie favorite gimmick..
41:51 it’s a good question, NZ have 4 world cups too (as you’re well aware) but they have a ridiculous ratio of tri nations & rugby championships. From a tournament that had only 2 other opponents, to now having 3, SA really under perform on that stage. In Ireland there is huge financial pressure to win six nations year on year as that’s where out money comes from. Maybe if we took a leaf out of SA’s book and peaked at the right time, we might get past the QFs!
I don't see the problem with SA losing matches in between World Cups. That's the time to do it.
It's call consistency. The best team is the most consistent team - You never know what you're going to get when you play South Africa, they're up and down like a whores knickers. They had something like a 65% win rate between the last two world cups -- that doesn't do much to put bums on seats. Ireland, well with them you always know it's going to be a battle because they don't like losing and their sold out games reflect that.
World Cup is overrated......and 1 bad game and you are out.....then you have nothing from 4 years!!
Best team is the one that wins the most
@@celticlofts Or perhaps they just take the long view. Perhaps they see the period between world cups as a time to blood inexperienced players, rest players, try new tactics and approaches and gradually build up to the world cup. If Ireland dropped to a lower win rate over the next 4 years and then walked away as world champions, i don't think either of us would be complaining.
Farrell is probably the only coach in the world who is immune from Rassie's mind games.
Personally, I think the mind games are getting a bit old.
Regarding the Doris yellow card I was just listening to Nigel Owens Whistle Watch podcast. His view was basically that it's up to the referees interpretation. Another day with another ref it might have been taken as a red or even two yellows. However, as a sports fan I never like to see a red card issued (for either team) as it more than likely destroys it as a contest and a win against a disadvantaged team isn't as sweet and will always have that caveat over it. I think Ireland probably were a little bit lucky in this particular case but they had some other decisions go against in the first test , so it probably balances out really. Most Bok fans have been gracious as has Rassie. If he really felt aggrieved he's not shy about letting people know.
Kwagga is a Flank & impact player at this level, to get the best out of him...Faf kicked grubber 5m from their goal line??? Pollard dropped in straight into their hands on the 25m. Their 15 caught EVERY high ball that we tried to retrieve...our short wings could not catch/retrieve any high balls. One high ball by them was not even nominated & bounced before being caught! Their try was almost a carbon copy of the previous test. How did they catch us twice. Esterhuizen + De Allende for the BIG tests please. Ox, RG & Mngomezulu played exceptionally well.
Pollard het alles oorgeskop maar verder n baie swak game gehat en Faf ook.
Langebaan is Weskus. Not in the Karroo.
@@sirromtrebor He meant Karoo OR Langebaan 👍
Jeez now the Boks are blaming the ground where the game was played. What a peculiar set of people. Their attitude is all wrong. A bully is lost when he is bullied.
Deeply disappointing MW. I felt that, going into the game, too many people were inferring that it would be a walk in the park. I did not share that sentiment. With hindsight, it might have been been a better call to inject players like Roos, Williams and Sacha into the starting line-up and see what they could do with the more expansive game. Also, and I don't think that it would have changed the outcome, I have seen video footage of the first drop-kick, and it did not appear to be legal. Anyhoo, as painful as it is, the Irish deserved the win. I'm sure that Rassie and his team are playing the long game. We need to be patient!
Hi Stephen. Always good to hear from you!
With regards to the kick, definitely legal. Depends on what version of the video you saw. Hendrik Cronjé from Rapport also confirmed this.
I have my doubts about the Tony Brown and Jerry Flannery. Harry and I will record a special edition of The Lekker Rugby Pods later this week where we will not only select a combined team of the tournament but talk about who is Rassie's reality check now that Jacques is gone (the NIE in Nienaber as Harry so eloquently calls it) and also, the effect of losing Felix Jones.
I don't know if we should have gone with Sacha that soon. Manie might fit better into the Boks' new style but his place kicking remains a problem. Faf should definitely have been replaced by either Williams of Reinach, and Kwagga starting at eight in stead of someone like Roos was a huge mistake. He is an impact player par excellence, but not a starting number eight.
Anyway, we have so many first choice players injured now, we might be forced to make some unusual changes. Let's see
@@megafoonsport MW I was not aware that there were other videos but, based on the one that I saw, it did not 'appear' to be legal. Nonetheless, I don't believe that it would have altered the outcome. Amongst other things, the players you mentioned were simply too poor on the day. I think that we might see the same type of expansive game plan that was used in the Loftus match against Portugal. However, given the opposition, it's unlikely to answer any questions moving forward. I always look forward to your content.
Guys you are 4 times world champions, the world isnt coming to an end. Embrace the new rivalry. Its an honour and pleasure to play the mighty Springboks. Dont become bitter kiwi pundits. Ireland are a great side, no shame in drawing a series against us!!!
No, were not bitter! We love the rivalry with rhe Irish and there's a healthy debate going on about who our real arch rivals are. We are simply navelgazing about where it went wrong for us. Rugby means so much over here that when something goes wrong, it is intensely felt. Not a reflection on the Irish, but rather on how much this game means to us.
18:09 Sorry Harry you are a very balanced respectful pundit but Doris and Ryan were not "trying to break Marx' leg" they were trying to remove him from the ruck.
Ryan deserved a card, Doris possibly shouldn't even have been penalised, he pulled out of the tackle without making a dent on Marx, however, when Ryan came in he pushed Doris onto Marx's leg. It was Ryan who fully completed the croc roll.
I am happy for Frawley as a person and player. He had a similar kick in the last few seconds of the Champions Cup final against Toulouse which he just missed and which cost Leinster the game. It goes to show how thin the margins are between winning and losing and all these comments about being chokers or not having a winning temperament are rubbish.
@@neilmontgomery3470 I think BMT is a real thing. That he has that in spades is without a doubt. Awesome performance
Springboks outplay sorry south africa
What, we came back and almost won it, if sacha left the ball at the end the result would've been different. Don't flatter yourself. Yes Ireland came to play and we did so too, just too late though.
@@TheBuildKingRwe scored 4 tries against you at loftus two very good ones disallowed so I think it was SA that flattered itself in the first game. You were beaten beaten well as rugby goes as an 80 minute game. Your guy here is giving out all the wrong data run metres we had two less than SA we passed the ball more we kicked better and 90m of kicks scored 6 points….excuses excuses.
@@davidwalker2402😂😂😂 that's funny scoreboard counts at the end of the day. I could argue that we are playing a different style, but it's pointless. Only thing that counts at the end of this banter is winning world cups, and looking at that now...
@@TheBuildKingR oh right it doesn’t count that you were beaten so no point in playing it’s usually what idiots say when they lose 🤣
Fascinating the series was drawn yet you pretend as if Ireland won something that of Extreme importance. Yes we lost this one with 1 point and the WC one with 5. Here's a fact if we got you in the 1/4 final of the WC you still would've lost. What a moron you are.
The usual disappointment between world cups. Seems to be a tendency with South Africa.
Kwagga is a Flank & impact player at this level, to get the best out of him...Faf kicked grubber 5m from their goal line??? Pollard dropped in straight into their hands in the 25m. Their 15 caught EVERY high ball that we tried to retrieve...our short wings could not catch/retrieve any high balls. One high ball by them was not even nominated & bounced before being caught!
Outsmart and Outplayed!!! Really!!?? They won by one point. The total for the two tests are 51/45 for the Springboks! Petty clickbait video
Klip in die bos:
So we appoint an assistant coach from NZ to come and teach us a new dimension of rugby tactics. In the first test of this tactic, the feared, rock solid reigning WC champion team, looks confused and uncertain. The proven link-up between Faf and Pollard misfires. Pollard looks out of sorts, and not just in his goal kicking. The much vaunted machine around scrums and breakdowns gets dissipated by the flanks running off to the back line.
Tony Brown isn't here to teach. He is here to learn the Springbok way. I'm willing to bet he'll be back with the All Blacks as chief coach by the next World Cup.
For now, let him prove his revolutionary ideas with the u-20 Baby Boks. If it proves to be the road to Damascus, we can draw talent from there into the Springboks for 2027.
The away win, carries more weight than the home win. Therefore Ireland can walk away as the series winner. Unfortunately.
You could argue the second test was more important too. Both sides had 1 week to adjust and make the necessary improvements after the 1st test. And the side who wins the 2nd of two tests feel more like the 'winners' even though it was a drawn series.
SA should play all games at high altitude. That way they can pretend to be the best team in the world for ever more.
With the Boks' second half fight back and losing by a 79th minute dropkick. No not close.
I enjoy what you guys say.
Do the other guys who make the decisions Listen to this?
We know some of the franchises do. Not sure about a national level. Maybe one day, when we're all grown up 🤣
We cannot change a lot of things. But here is one thing that can change: Rassie should at least shave and dress like a coach of the World Champion Rugby team. He looks like a homie who missed the bus after the matric holiday in Margate in 1974...
Gaan Manie Libbok regtig verbeter, ek dink dat hy het nie BMT nie. Kyk hoe het hy gesukkel in die Stormers se laatste URC wedstryd waar hulle seisoen verby was.
No not at all
Wrong personnel. Too many average performances from Kolisi, Bognambi and De Klerk. New personnel needed.Pace needed at loose forward. Only Smiht has a bit of pace.
Lads i get the point about Durban, but the Springboks media, Rassie et al did the biggest and best marketing job for this tour that I have seen in history. The whole no. 1 title thing, Irish arrogance, revenge for WRC group match. It was like the promotion of an MMA fight. It was the first time I’ve seen an opposition team booed onto a pitch ffs. You may think all this was to stoke the rivalry but the reality is sport tourism. Irish fans travel but they like to travel to nice places. So sticking a game in the most foreboding place where there is no sun and shit beer isn’t a great idea for that money maker. Asking your boys to play better is.
🤣 We'll never play where there's shit beer and the sun always shine here. But seriously, the booing is completely unacceptable and we have said so many, many times. It's not how we do it and we hate it.
I think this ties into your MMA narrative. I think the hype has been drawing the wrong (non-rugby) crowd and that is where that behaviour comes from. I personally think Rassie has to calm down with the mind games. No-one is falling for it anymore.
We were all robbed of a 3rd test..Irish fan here...and ahh common lads Ireland had a rookie 15 who should have had MOTM..frawley never gets playing 10 for leinster...2nd and 4th choice 9s ..no bundee or Dan Sheehan nash is not near as good as hanson,and I know you have a young 10..but Ireland have a young lad named prendegast at 10 who is brilliant and is waiting on the wings.
Osborne and Frawley were brilliant. We'll be selecting a combined team in a special Lekker Rugby Pod later this week. Look out for it!
True but it was a monster season.
I have to say Damian DA was outstanding...he did not go backwards, Not once. look Ireland was outstanding but to not have the power or the killer attitude on our own soil was the disappointment. Frawley was MOTM , better than Ox to be fair. Quite a few missing stars...I mean they were on the field but missing...
Big problem with players not firing. And Ireland not having so many first choice players available means their win on SA soil means even more.
Out played but been watching a different match
7:12 You haven’t lost in Durban in 8 year!!
Yes. That France and Argentina not a patch on this Irish team though!
I don't like your approach where a bok gets bloodied and there's the insinuation is by foul means. Why not just ask the player ?
@@gerardkelsh1011 Hi Gerald. We asked the question whether it was deliberate or not, and Harry made it quite clear that he didn't think it was. It was just one of the most physical matches in a long time.
@@megafoonsport I understand that and agree but the point I'm poorly making is that it would be definitive if, for example, Etzebeth was asked what happened. Because otherwise it's just opinions without evidence. Thanks
@gerardkelsh1011 True, but we don't always have access to the players, especially not the Springboks. I asked Harry for his opinion because he was at the stadium and you can generally see if there's any niggle.
As an aside, I typed my previous reply sitting at Loftus, waiting to speak to the coach. So, when we do have access, we ask the questions 😅
Very nice to hear from you!
Ireland won
LOL...Ireland desperately need to try convince themselves that they're better than The Mighty Springboks. We drew the series and you lot are celebrating like you won the World Cup 🤣We are number 1 in the World and are 4 time WC champs, Ireland just can't stand that because they have never managed to get past the quarters in the WC. Rassie is the greatest coach of all time, the whole world knows that.
I think rassie and co tried to use mind games way too much & had some degree of reliability on how hostile the crowds would be. I can’t speak for all of ireland but making fun of our zombie since the WC when it was written for innocent dead children, dj playing emotional damage when Crowley missed . Dj hyping up the crowd when Casey was knocked out. I can’t have imagined any of that went down well with irish players. Andy Farrell doesn’t really like the media side of things at all and what you see what you get. Ireland only plays in Dublin because of the agreement with aviva . Sponsorship and financially and think of it logically. It’s an extremely small country
The DJ at Loftus is a problem, even for us. Took the crowd out of the game in the URC final as well. We want a game of rugby, not a disco.
I think the gamesmanship from our side is a bit over the top. It's nice (funny) when it happens but when the shoe is on the other foot, we don't like it. Referring to both Rassie selecting an Irish team and the crowds here.
Wrt to the Zombie / Rassie song: I hear you and I respect that but weren't the Irish the first to sing it at a rugby match? I think the Rassie version came about as a result of thát game in the RWC and how we felt that night, hearing that being sung. Devastated. Not an excuse but an explanation
@@megafoonsport no sorry ireland has been singing zombie for years, particularly at Munster:. ITS OUR SONG. Not yours. We can sing it whenever we want, saffas thought it was a personal attack on them: if they had taken 2 seconds to google the words they would have maybe kept their mouth shut. Or actually considerering how disrespectful they have been all year and through the series , they probably would have made it worse. Make fun of a song that was written about innocent children dying … then you get hand handed Karma, boo a kicker and play emotional damage when he misses. Then you get to lose at the death with a drop goal. Ireland stadiums don’t behave like that . Maybe you should follow suit
Fair play about Zoimbie.
As far as the crowd is concerned, we mentioned somewhere else that the hype may be drawing the wrong (non-rugby) audience. I suspect that is where the booing is coming from. Personally, I absolutely detest it and I have said so many times. We as an SA audience have always respected the opposition and this kind of behaviour is not on.
My god lads yee are reaching out searching for excuses ya should listen to yourselves after ya finish. If we didn't get the drop goal at the end and ya won the game you would be saying how great yee are and all excuses you mentioned wouldn't have been mentioned. Facts
😀 No, not really. Even if we had won, the reality is that we played poorly, keeping in mind the new-fangled coaches, game plan etc. A lot of things to wring our hands about! !
HY DROP NIE HY SKOP
Frawley did outsmart the Boks and the referee! Ireland did play well however, PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT THOSE DROP GOALS FROM FRAWLEY BOTH OF THEM DONT TOUCH THE GROUND. WHY DONT THE TMO CHECK THEM OUT , BOTH THOSE DROP GOALS ARE NOT LEGAL AT ALL!!!
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@@vjmightyw 🤣🤣🤣
Comedian. 😂😂😂
I've hear this nonsense already and checked the second winning drop goal in slow-mo numerous times and your wrong it touched ground.
I'll take it you heard that on the internet and are just regurgitating it without having checked it.
Honestly you think ABBA being played and bouncy castles party atmosphere suited Ireland better?? Also, coming down from altitude suited Ireland ??
Is this a serious channel??
Well, depends on your point of view! Jokes aside, what we meant was the atmosphere for us wasn't serious enough, like it was at Loftus. And the crowd singing Abba comment was aimed at the DJ's taking the crowd out of the equation. Same as happened at Loftus in the URC final. Rugby is a serious business and it was treated too much like a party rather than a test match. And that's on us.
@@megafoonsport
I get that point, but to say that it suited Ireland like it gave us some sort of advantage. Sounds like you’re clutching for any excuse, same as your altitude point.
@@ShaneMcG7855 No, definitely not looking for excuses here. I feel quite strongly we were outplayed and outsmarted. A lot of my fellow South Africans say it was only a point and so on: Point is, two great teams, Irish without several of their best players, on SA soil, we should have done better. To me overall, advantage Ireland for the fact it was played here. Enjoyed it and the (friendly) rivalry immensely.
2 WC to 1 Qtr final knockout......need change the caption, brother .
We live in the present and fortress South Africa has been breached at home. For a country that demands to prove itself the best - you failed, against an Irish team lacking some key players. That is where we are today.
I have watched lots of rugby but I have not seen injuries like this. Ireland knew what they were doing. This is not something to be proud of!
‘Twas but Rassie says every single game ‘Fok hulle op’.
I get where you are coming from but rugby is a physical game I however don't like the Irish way of playing the do to many underhanded things in their game that is not sportman like.
@@saiyandemonisherkeep telling yourself that, SA players angels from heaven. Don’t worry you will remain the N01 whinning team of all time. You just can’t take it that other teams can be better than you even the tiniest rugby nations in the world.
Saddo
Absolute clown
This game was too early for ringrose. Ringrust