I'm here just fascinated by what he is saying. I had an experience with the absolute years ago. I wasn't meditating or anything. All of sudden I was there. I knew that this current life is not even happening.
@@seedfromatree No, my friend. The Absolute is not an experience. It cant be experienced. The Absolute transcends both her experience and the "I" which she takes herself to be.
@@seedfromatree You dont have to believe in me. Here's the words of a jivanmukta: "The Absolute cannot be experienced. It is not an objective affair. When I am unicity then that is pure awareness which is not aware of its awareness, and there can be no subject and object - therefore there can be no witnessing. Any manifestation, any functioning, any witnessing, can only take place in duality. There has to be a subject and an object, they are two, but they are not two, they are two ends of the same thing. When consciousness stirs, duality arises. There are millions of objects, but each object, when it sees another, assumes the subjectivity of the Absolute, although it is an object. I, as an object, perceive and interpret all the other objects, and I assume that I am the subject, and the witnessing takes place. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj December 7, 1980/Prior to Consciousness"
If anyone has doubts that come up with Materialism, the book "Why Materialism is Baloney" by Bernard Castrop clears it up nicely. He is a scientist and philosopher who destroys Materialism with facts of Physics. He believes in Analytic Idealism which is much like Advaita Vedanta. It's interesting to hear a scientist counter Materialism with scientific facts in favor of only consciousness.
For me it's like I having a hard time understanding philosophy of non dualism. And the philosophy of dualism. There stuff I agree be with both. I understand saying really we all are one. But we still are going through stage's of spiritual involution and spiritual evolution. This is clear with the fact we reincarnated here. So even though it is all the same. There is a difference. With dualism there saying the soul is different than the physical body. How could anyone that follows non dualism disagree with that. You believe in reincarnation so something that's different from the physical body. Carrying on after the death of the physical body to go on to reincarnation. That very fact tells you that it's all so confusing. And sometimes trying to comprehend particular veiw points in philosophy. People not saying this guy just in general. Makes it so confusing. They well take a entire page. To say something that would of been more clear to that person just of not to of added all that extra wording. Philosophy needs to be clear to get the veiw point to the person. So they can get to the point of digesting that information. That can't always be easily achieved. Like with Plato philosophys and many others to try research into that. From all of the people that's had a opinion on it. You can easily leave more confused than you previously came to the thought. It shouldn't be this way.
You, Me Are nothing or No-Thing. There is no one ever born or no one to ever die. The illusion of separation is the cause of all suffering. You have the illusion of being the dream and the dreamer. This reality/dream is emptiness appearing as something. You see the dream but are not seeing the emptiness. Once the dream stops all that is left is nothing or emptiness which will not or can not ever be understood by the mind. Everything is all ready complete, You are everything and nothing at the same time, This is why you will never be able to hide from yourself. You can seek but you will never find what is already complete.
Book knowledge is different from personal experience.When you have a personal experience no one can take that away from you.By experience we are talking about peace,love and happiness,etc.
"The scientists the Einsteins, and the disbelievers and the debates, have nothing to do with me. There all in duality. I am duality and duality is not me. That is the experience". Ira Schepetin. Love this
Thank you for publishing Ira's talk! Brilliant synopses as always. I hope others find the open ended questions he raises thought provoking and inspiring. It's unfortunate that some folks seem threatened by the questions he leaves floating. Introspection is a never-ending exploration and adventure - it would be folly to expect it to be comforting or easy.
After researching many NDEs (Near Death Experiences) there was one that proves to me that you Don't need a brain to remember, be conscious, be self aware after physical death. A neuro scientist had a horrendous accident in her car, and for all intense and purpose she was next to dead. She was rushed into hospital where surgeons fought to save her life. While she was on the operating table, she experienced an incredible higher realm of the astral world where she was highly aware and conscious all the while. All her senses were hyper real, all seeing, hearing, feeling and everything else was functioning perfectly. She was told many things by "others" in this "realm", and she asked many questions and learnt a lot.. However, after much time she was told she had to return to earth and continue with her life. As she returned, she saw the operating table where he body was being worked on and she could perceive all those involved in trying to save her life. After much work by the surgeons, she recovered from the ordeal. After a few weeks convalescing she wanted to see all the medical notes associated with her case. She was astonished to learn that her brain was totally without oxygen for 20 mins (I know, it's said that the brain cannot survive after 5 mins without oxygen and she admits this was a surprise). Being a neuro scientist she was fascinated with her NDE because of the incredible experience of what it was like on the "other side". However she was puzzled, she said it was simply IMPOSSIBLE for her brain to create those sensory experiences she had while on the operating table. Without an adequate supply of oxygen, the brain simply cannot function to produce all that sensory input.
There is the 1. Consciousness 2.Subconscious 3. Super-Consciousness. Like there is Jivatman-The Soul(Individual) Paratman - Spirit (Universal). Brahman-God. Now there are different polarities and Dimensions of existence. However the Spirit is apart of the whole layer of this know reality . But there may be many realities
Ira, I respect you and what you are doing, so I don't want you to give incorrect information to the people at your talks. At around the 1:28:00 part of this talk, you stated that "95% of all quantum mechanic scientists now have rejected the Copenhagen Interpretation (CI)." This simply isn't true. As of the latest poll done on the subject, in 2013, a plurality of 42% of quantum scientists polled, chose Copenhagen (CI) above the other interpretations. www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/01/17/the-most-embarrassing-graph-in-modern-physics/ If, in four years, those number have changed to "95% rejecting it" I'd like to see your sources. In the article I cite, even though Sean Carroll himself disagrees with CI, he does NOT reject or question this poll. Therefore, as of 2013, CI remains the most accepted by the people who work with this stuff every day. Please. PLEASE correct what you've told your audience. You've spent a lifetime on Vedanta, and are clearly qualified to speak on it. But you've dabbled in physics only for a short period. Please don't speak with an authority which you do not possess.
Well said! In this talk Ira caught his audience off guard but I find is sad that after years of Vedanta Ira succumbs to pop physicists like Sean Carroll!
Ira has clearly taken the bait of the mind. All science is from the basis that matter existed before consciousness. His idea's, or more so the idea's that he has adopted are based in duality. What he said does oppose Advaita Vedanta and my experience. My experience is there is only one reality. No one has ever had an experience outside of consciousness and matter existing outside of consciousness cannot be verified. No matter what science experiments you do, scans of the brain or whatever nothing takes place outside of consciousness. I would be happy to debate this. No one can ever prove that argument wrong. Ira never really dealt with his atheistic beliefs and still is caught in the snare of samsara. I'm sure he will suffer and come back to traditional Vedanta when he has had enough:)
Guys also listen to Swami Sarvapriyananda of Vedantic society of America, he also explains Non - duality in a wonderful way as Ira does. Do listen to him once and you will not stop.
Aloha Ira love your talks . How can I get in touch with you ? Immortality is irrelevant to the absolute that is why it is non-dual. Immortality implies mortality which is the dream or trip neither have relevance to the Tao. We (ego) would like to be there to experience the absolute but we are the absolute it is the freedom from ego that is the liberation. There is dreaming but no dreamer there is what is dreamt but no causality. We cannot know what we are , we are that , we can only negate what we pre-assume ourselves to be: mind, body ,thoughts ,etc. In my humble opinion the awareness HAS to proceed and experience,opinion or belief because how would we be able to form such ideas? First awareness then interpretation. As close as I think we can say is -it is awareness which maintains itself always without comparison. Our individual self aware consciousness allows us to become aware that this awareness is what cannot be comprehended by the mind, thought or idea . Or self consciousness is an opportunity to awaken to this. There never was a individual , only dreaming within self manifested consciousness in the awareness we cannot comprehend that has produced the 10 thousand things. In physics the measurement problem has shown our individual consciousness in this awareness produces matter without this measurement or attention a particular returns to a state of light or a ray with no mass . To me we are producing the world of matter within our imagination or causal existence. We are that. To have a experience , opinion or belief about anything from a doughnut to God we have to first be aware of what we are about to judge. The awareness is first then comes ego in its dreaming cloud of self perception, it cannot be the other way around. After the awareness we become the operant power driving the experience. The ego puts itself ahead of awareness and that when all the trouble starts or all the elation begins , both a self manufactured experiences. The wave ,thinks its a wave but is unaware it is the ocean unless it looks within to see the water. Peace , Love ,Kindness and Aloha ....
Unbelievably amazing. One of the BEST teachers on non-duality, I've ever had the pleasure of hearing. Has a great way, of communicating this extremely frustrating - TRUE NATURE OF SELF, due to the mental conditioning, over hundreds, or thousands of human brains ( was going to say years.........but NO such thing as Space/time.)
If your faith has really come to this place...come to me and we will resolve the question once and for all....IRA you woke from this dream as a lucid dreamer...you assumed that above this(or below)was the absolute formless. Not true sir. Its infinity up and down. There is another you which dreams your whole life. I can show you how to wake up there.
Unless the person is enlightened then the next best thing is to admit you are humble and human. I know advaitins argue that there is no person, but there is on this plane. Ramana Maharshi, as a boy sat there while insects ate at his body. Un un-enlightened boy would have brushed the insects off in disgust. So its fine for Ira to have doubts. (If only scientists can also have doubts!!) I remember Ram Dass talking about his stroke and saying at the moment he was terrified of dying. Turning to the camera, very humbly Ram Dass admitted he had a long way to go.
I admire his intellectual honesty about his hypothetical questions regarding the origin of consciousness. Is consciousness all-pervading, universal and independent (Brahman) or is consciousness limited by and emerging out of organic origins (Atman) ? I know for myself, as a materialistic atheist, that consciousness is individual, emerging and limited by the body. Introspect indeed concludes a witness witnessing phenomenons, conceptualized by the brain and labeled by predetermined conceptions within time and space. I don't buy hindouism, yoga nor scriptures, but I learned about the 'witness witnessing' , thanks to advaita, Sivananda and ari. So thanks for that. His lecture opened a futur door for the study of consciousness and neurology.
I just realized that the difference between belief in 'Brahmic' - consciousness and 'Atmic' consciousness is the difference between believing in a {supreme being/non-being/Ultimate consciousness/god} and in the 'belief' of materialistic physicalism. It boils down to believing in God or not. The question of the witness is irrelevant. Brahman and Atman OR Atman alone? Universal consciousness OR individual consciousness
Just wanted to add one small comment in reference to the Christian tradition. If you look outside of tradition and enculturation, you'll find that the teachings of Jesus very much coincide with the fundamental truths examined by vedanta. Once society, history and ignorance had its say, these teaching were largely lost in the fog. However, if you understand the implications of vedanta, you'll find those same implications espoused through the historical teachings of the Christ. (albeit, he offered them from the language of a different culture and context)
Well said Michael Vedanta is not the only gateway to the Self if one truly studies, & contemplates the teachings of the Christ it's all their "Be Still & Know that I'am that I'am "tat tvam asi " Thou are that comes from upanishad" I like vedanta very, very much i have study, & currently studying the life of Ramakrishna who comes from the tradition of vedanta, sometimes when i listen to some but not all Vedanta teachers like Ira, i get the sense that Advaita Vedanta is the only gateway to the Self the most direct path ((superior) to other path's but i don't subscribe to that kind of thinking. It might be the most direct path, i could say the same is true with the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj Sri Ramakrishna just to name a few they simplified the practice of Advaita Vedanta like Self Enquiry like Ramana Who am I, & Nisargadatta Maharai Neti, Neti not this not that!
Thank you for a very clear and cogent exposition of Advaita Vedanta. Regarding the views of those scientists mentioned (Harris, Krause, Dawkins, and Carroll). Those guys espouse an atheistic "scientism" based in materialism. These views are clearly devoid of a more subtle philosophical speculation. The transcendent ground of all Being and the field of universal consciousness we all "experientially" participate in (Brahman/Atman), is clearly out of bounds for the finite perspectives of "scientism". While one can never escape one's own perspective, one may expand it as one is so inclined.
What I don't get is that young Ira found solid confirmation in the psychedelic experience. Then he goes to India, learns Sanskrit and becomes an advaitin looking for the lasting state. But older Ira reads pop science and now he has doubts! So was it for nothing? Doesn't having doubts invalidate his advaita vendanta position? Isn't the pop science part of this dream?
Yes it is. The pop science is logically inconsistent in the mathematical sense of a paradox of self-reference, but there is a logically consistent way to formalize all of modern science. See the science and nonduality wordpress website: scienceandnonduality.wordpress.com/2018/08/09/who-or-what-am-i/
Worth a watch, in the context of the issues raised in this talk, is Bernardo Kastrup's "Top 10 Materialist Fallacies" - th-cam.com/video/2m7BxlWlvzc/w-d-xo.html
Ira would be better of by not getting into scientific arguments like that. It just diverts the message. Problem with science is that they take matter and the brain for real. Same for genetics. However in the end it is just an appearance in consiousness, nothing else. That you have a brain is not more then an appearance, it is not real in the sense of matter. So it looks like matter, it looks like neurons firing, but in reality it is just a flat experience coming out of nowwhere. So for the question who were you before you were born, it is not in the genetics of the parents. Time is itself also unreal because based on matter, there is only now, so the whole question of being born is there only now, not anywhere else. And even if you want to talk about the situation before you are ´born´ is a potential situation where there is no manifestion, only the potential for it but you are still there unchanged. Your parents did not exist before you were ´born´. When you were ´born´ so were your parents at that moment and not any ´sooner´.
yes, that baffles me too- when seeing/understanding the truth that you are the impersonal and impartial self, awareness unstained by the illusory appearance of objects, why then change focus back onto those apparent objects, i.e. give way to the natural inclination of the mind to go 'outside'?!
My experience is that I'm Aware of the appearance of Consciousness (the feeling I Exist) which is simultaneous with the appearance of the world and all objective experiences. I'm also Aware of the disappearance of Consciousness when falling asleep. In deep sleep I'm aware of no thing, until Consciousness returns again. Awareness has no quality and is prior to Consciousness.
Dear Drs Moschetta. I have just recently published a book with 'New Island Publications' on Advaita thru Zen Koans. It's call 'A Path Home' - a bilingual introduction to Advaita thru Zen Koans. I would like to send a copy to Ira. Is there any address to which I can send it to him? I have found only your podcasts on his talks on this topic but no other contact for him or his work. I live in Ireland and have watched all your downloads. Ira's talks on Advaita make this topic extremely accessible and clear. If you can help me out on this matter, I would very grateful to you both. I can be found on facebook. Best Wishes and many thanks, Garry Bannister.
Is this not really just "in the world, but not off the world?" For a time, during human experience, we may straddle "appearing as the human," but with the knowing that we forever are the subject of everything that appears, which is eternal, non local, being, bliss.
Personal perspective after witnessing several speeches by nonduality experiencers like eschart tolle, jim newman, alan watts, wayne dyer, j khrisnamurti, sadhguru and so on: Spirituality is a realm of experience aspiring to the ultimate, Freeing from the unsatisfying bondage created by all the norms of common intellectualism, cultural logic, religious directions and dogtrines, all the rules created by purposeful anthropologics, Inspired by the vastness of nature and the limitless cosmic appearance, Spiritual seekers aspire according their unique personal, subjective potentialities trying to reach ultimate bliss blossoming from the material world of life.
Personal perspective after witnessing several speeches by nonduality experiencers like eschart tolle, jim newman, alan watts, wayne dyer, j khrisnamurti, sadhguru and so on: Spirituality is a realm of experience aspiring to the ultimate, Freeing from the unsatisfying bondage created by all the norms of common intellectualism, cultural logic, religious directions and dogtrines, all the rules created by purposeful anthropologics, Inspired by the vastness of nature and the limitless cosmic appearance, Spiritual seekers aspire according their unique personal, subjective potentialities trying to reach ultimate bliss blossoming from the material world of life.
Awesome discussion and insight into Vedanta; Honestly, I got spooked by how easily the "soundness and Truth" of Advaita was made (ammenable?), or said to be ("insufficient"?) when Mr. Schepetin incorporated modern material science into the mix. The modern revelations snd truth of science, such as the infinitude of life and myriad planets/solar systems, and the ultimate wisp of the brefity of Life in the Cosmos--shouldn't trip-up the Truth-of-Self simply bc they are a truth of the one state of consciousness we experience--the wakeful state...nor should they challenge our "faith" in Supreme Self and all the tenents we hold dear by real surrender--God is all there is, even if Layla played in Cro-Magnon man. Right? Of course, it does "blow my mind", evaluating the truths modern science points-out. Really, all I can say is I DONT KNOW, but I do believe in Self Realization and the super-humanity of that state: Bliss Consciousness beyond joy and sorrow, and this highest state of BEING not affected by our knowing science's modern truths. In the presence of a Realized Master--all such doubts or "amendments" melt. Right? I ask bc I've never been in the company or presence of a Self Realized Master. Love this great philosophical discussion...and from a "simpleton", I would say, "might it be better to think with our hearts than our minds"? Adieu!
Ira’s willingness to confront the challenges posed to Advaita by modern science is highly commendable. Here’s a comprehensive exposition - albeit somewhat snarky in places - of the issues involved concerning neuroscience - rationalwiki.org/wiki/Non-materialist_neuroscience
We can agree that a physical body can appear in infinite consciousness, so is it not possible that a subtle formless body might also appear to consciousness with a mind formed from our lifes experiences and memories? Memories are not contained in the brain thats for sure and we have known that now for many years. Some experts on sleep say that whilst we sleep our brain is busier than during the day. sorting files out from junk and also maybe uploading and downloading information to and from the very fabric of the universe.
Materialistic reductionism can never explain the absolute truth. Scientists can explain something in theory only to contradict themselves later. Vedanta teaches time and space exists in the mind. So no matter what the theories of scientists, it will be in the realm of objects. The subjective awareness is eternal and substratum of the universe.
Should we distinguish between sentience and Consciousness/Awareness? I would like to know about the philosophical problems that Ira claims will arise if we believe, like the woman mentioned, that Consciousness , "in the presence" of the evolved brain, creates a sentient person.
Human is an idea and I am not an idea. Existence cannot be conceptualized because it is PRIOR to thought. If Existence cannot be conceptualized it is not an object. If not object, then not subject to time.
Wow, I am blown away that it's has jump ship. Just speech less. He has to be 70 or better, and never found the light I thought he had. 50 years he been searching, shoots
I don't think you understand. I hope you will continue to listen, you might be able to "get it" but, it's very subtle. No one is liberated and no one ever needed liberation... doesn't
Dear Friend Ira, great presentation by you on the teachings of Advaita Vedanta which are in tune with the Masters of the yore, Gowdapada and Shankara, and of last century saint, Sri Swami Satchidanandendra Saraswathi (although you did not name them all and spoke as though they were all from your personal experience). But, alas, that was for about the first 50 minutes in the video and you changed tunes! Why did you have to attempt to find a basis of all experiences in the universe of inert objects? Have you not read Shankara that the Self/Consciousness is undeniable since it is the Self of even the one who denies, the Self is therefore eternal and prior to all phenomenon? How does one establish the existence of inert matter without Awareness? Why is this misplaced glorification of Science? There is no contradiction between Science and Vedanta as the perception and inference are taken to be valid but limited to the waking world. The Rishis and Shankara might not have known the intricacies of modern science, but are you not convinced that they have emphatically declared the woeful inadequacy of perception and inference, the basis of modern science, for determining the transcendental Truth and they established the need for anubhava (universal experience) and Shabda (the revelations)? Why this hurry to break from the path of the Masters of the East? Cannot you imagine that Science will have to end up including the Subject in its models and turn Vedantic to establish the Truth? Love and best wishes.
This may the a case of a profound intellectual grasp of the teaching, but a clever ego will easily be puffed out by scientific knowledge. It's sad that Ira couldn't see that.
I admire Ira's humility and commitment to knowledge of the self. Many Advaitins, in the name of apauresheya-shabda-pramana, are simply dogmatic. I think that Ira is presenting a valid alternative paradigm of understanding the self, which happens to stem from contemporary findings in science. That is all.
Ira's 1st video on Advaita years ago led me to try practicing Advaita Vedanta and see my real nature. My question now is why many gurus, mostly Indian gurus, teaching Advaita Vedanta cannot do away with belief in god/gods and keep on explaining belief in god is helpful comparing it with Bhakti yoga? Can you mix Bhakti yoga and Advaita?
In India, they show you multiple. Pure advaita is gyana yoga or the path of knowledge, bhakti yoga is path of love or devotion( object-less love), raja yoga for meditative path, karma yoga as unattached action. You can choose any path depending on your individual trait and cultural orientation. The final state is one of freedom from separate self, ego-death and love
Dear ira. Im sorry to see your father's atheistic materialism caught up with you. Or maybe it's the ego( even as an Object) that is so frightingly terrified of annihilation. OR maybe analizing experience is not enough, there must be Love of God, that is to say faith in the Goodness of it all. And Hope,too. I wish you all the best.
Faith is belief ! In the word belief is the word lie. Belief is NOT TRUTH. Millions of people believe in all sorts of bullshit. Just the fact, that most people can't, or won't accept belief and truth are total opposites, just shows how deluded most humans are!!
Dear Stephanie Booth, you said it! Even as the extremely subtle truth of Advaita is attempted to be well grasped intellectually, the ego raises its hood, and goads you to believe that you are already established in Advaitha, and urges you to cut across and discover new truths for the humanity, something even the Masters could never comprehend. There are pseudo advaitins who want to, somehow, find a reconciliation between science and advaita. These attempts are doomed to fail as the scientific discoveries pertain to the phenomenon that presupposes the existence of the Absolute (Self). One who treads the path of the Upanishads needs to be reminded that 'intellectual grasp of advaita' is not the same as 'establishment in that Truth'. The possible delight or the serenity that one may derive by an intellectual grasp of the Truth is a mere particle, a mere drop in the ocean, in the infinite Ananda, that is Self. Sincere hope is that Ira will untangle himself soon from the net that the ego is casting.
@@MrResearcher122 Ira and I know one another for over a decade. Our knowledge of Advaita Vedanta has its basis on Upanishads and the writings of the same Masters of the East. According to Advaita Vedanta, Consciousness/Brahman alone is the Truth. It is the non-dual Self of all, all objects in the Universe. The universe is a mental superimposition on the Self. The Universe with its varied activities appear to be true until one realises in one's own experience, that one's intrinsic nature is Brahman and nothing really exists apart from Brahman. While Ira gave a good presentation of Advaita Vedanta, towards the second half I found him to be exploring the basis of all experiences in the Universe of objects. This does not hold in Vedanta. Please hear his presentation and read my comments to it (not only my reply to Stephanie), again.
@@ramanathak.s.8679 I am somewhat new to the Hindu understanding. I understood in part non- dualism within a Christian and Islamic language yet,as a student of Zen, found the language there too.Shankara's inferences,it is claimed, owe a lot to mahayana buddhism. I just bought the Upanishads. Ira openly takes a light stick to those like Rupert Spira for teaching a wrong headed teachings about advaita avanta. He also seems to be against Sailor Bob's do-it-yoursel teachings. Bob was in the lineage of Nisargadatta,I believe. Is Ira saying these people are not offering the truthful teachings of advaita avanta?
@@MrResearcher122 I understand that you have varied background. You might have started understanding Upanishads and Shankar's commentaries on them, recently. However, I wish to suggest to you that the Non-dual Brahman of Upanishads, as expounded by Shankara has a hoary tradition, which is understood to be eternal. As such, you may not be able to find this Truth on the basis of Christian or Islamic traditions. It is totally false that Shankara would have been influenced by Mahayana Buddhism or any other. There are different shades to non-dualism and I have not tried to understand Rupert Spira or others. It is my earnest suggestion to you that, if you wish to understand Shankara, you hardly have a better choice in the west than Ira. My comments about his particular video here may be taken as a minor "aberration". You will really benefit from his wisdom, by watching his videos and by keeping a direct contact with him.
@@ramanathak.s.8679 There are quite a few Indian Advaita teachers, Gurus, out there,on here. Some say dualistic thinking is a helpful stepping stone to non- dualistic thinking. This can leave room for devotion,and a God. Others restate it the other way. Openness is the way. Saying one teacher has all the answers might be a bit unwise. We learn, we take, we must find our own way. Ira is good sounding teacher,but others too sound very good.
Thank you guru ji for helping me, half path I have travel in my own, remaining half I covered after watching this video and gaining experiance from this video. This one vedio pratically remove stress, pain, suffering from humanity, it will work only if one have to believe guru ji/teacher for 3 minute and listen this vedio beginning to end, after that no need to believe other, you can believe your own experiance, it will show you way forward. Experiance time and space are objects. We accept darwin theory(it is correct theory, not 100% correct) but it can not accept or reject souls, karma and rebirth thoery(passing zin and souls rebirth have no relation, karma theory have no relation with darwin theory) as Darwin theory talk about how life created in this earth, it don't go beyond it, have no clue how/why this universe created and god relation, only Veda explain it.
NONSENSE .... Advaita does not lead to Liberation ... It is just a mental logic system that turns into another believe system.... Liberation is the full disappearance of the sense/feeling that I am this person identified/living with/as this body. I have seen people who are masters in Advaita and they are not Liberated but they can speak/write encyclopedias about advaita. They think if you keep studying the advaita scriptures one will get Liberated.
You could make that same claim regarding absolutely everything that passes through the current of our world. On the flip side, every teaching leads to liberation if one is ready to have it so. Your "point", pardon my abruptness, is basically pointless and unfounded.
""every teaching leads to liberation if one is ready to have it so"" That is a silly ridiculous claim that is often practiced verbally by idiots who have no clue what they are talking about. and ""Your "point", pardon my abruptness, is basically pointless and unfounded.""
@@waiataaroha To many concepts that's jumping from one concept to another Neti Neti not this not that as Nisargadatta would say " first you must fund out who you're not" "To know who you are"
Bernardo Kastrup is a decent philosopher to listen to. Kastrup answers much of the doubts Ira in this video is talking about.
I'm here just fascinated by what he is saying. I had an experience with the absolute years ago. I wasn't meditating or anything. All of sudden I was there. I knew that this current life is not even happening.
No one can have "an experience with the Absolute". The Absolute cannot be experienced and there is no "I" to be "there".
@@ruadaspapoulaswith God all things are possible
@@seedfromatree No, my friend. The Absolute is not an experience. It cant be experienced. The Absolute transcends both her experience and the "I" which she takes herself to be.
@@seedfromatree You dont have to believe in me. Here's the words of a jivanmukta: "The Absolute cannot be experienced. It is not an objective affair. When I am unicity then that is pure awareness which is not aware of its awareness, and there can be no subject and object - therefore there can be no witnessing. Any manifestation, any functioning, any witnessing, can only take place in duality. There has to be a subject and an object, they are two, but they are not two, they are two ends of the same thing. When consciousness stirs, duality arises. There are millions of objects, but each object, when it sees another, assumes the subjectivity of the Absolute, although it is an object. I, as an object, perceive and interpret all the other objects, and I assume that I am the subject, and the witnessing takes place.
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
December 7, 1980/Prior to Consciousness"
If anyone has doubts that come up with Materialism, the book "Why Materialism is Baloney" by Bernard Castrop clears it up nicely. He is a scientist and philosopher who destroys Materialism with facts of Physics. He believes in Analytic Idealism which is much like Advaita Vedanta. It's interesting to hear a scientist counter Materialism with scientific facts in favor of only consciousness.
Thank you Ira for sharing your spiritual journey it helps me understand my own.
For me it's like I having a hard time understanding philosophy of non dualism. And the philosophy of dualism. There stuff I agree be with both. I understand saying really we all are one. But we still are going through stage's of spiritual involution and spiritual evolution. This is clear with the fact we reincarnated here. So even though it is all the same. There is a difference. With dualism there saying the soul is different than the physical body. How could anyone that follows non dualism disagree with that. You believe in reincarnation so something that's different from the physical body. Carrying on after the death of the physical body to go on to reincarnation. That very fact tells you that it's all so confusing. And sometimes trying to comprehend particular veiw points in philosophy. People not saying this guy just in general. Makes it so confusing. They well take a entire page. To say something that would of been more clear to that person just of not to of added all that extra wording. Philosophy needs to be clear to get the veiw point to the person. So they can get to the point of digesting that information. That can't always be easily achieved. Like with Plato philosophys and many others to try research into that. From all of the people that's had a opinion on it. You can easily leave more confused than you previously came to the thought. It shouldn't be this way.
You, Me Are nothing or No-Thing. There is no one ever born or no one to ever die. The illusion of separation is the cause of all suffering. You have the illusion of being the dream and the dreamer. This reality/dream is emptiness appearing as something. You see the dream but are not seeing the emptiness. Once the dream stops all that is left is nothing or emptiness which will not or can not ever be understood by the mind. Everything is all ready complete, You are everything and nothing at the same time, This is why you will never be able to hide from yourself. You can seek but you will never find what is already complete.
How do u know this?
@@narendranarotam3816 Experience with the mind. Self-inquiry
Like in Buddhism maybe .. Sunyata is emptiness (of everything) in Buddhism ..
Book knowledge is different from personal experience.When you have a personal experience no one can take that away from you.By experience we are talking about peace,love and happiness,etc.
I really think this "doubt" has been raised on purpose, don t you?
"The scientists the Einsteins, and the disbelievers and the debates, have nothing to do with me. There all in duality. I am duality and duality is not me. That is the experience". Ira Schepetin. Love this
The brain doesn't create ego...ego creates the brain and the science sir...and god will prove it if you ask....you know this IRA
Thank you for publishing Ira's talk! Brilliant synopses as always. I hope others find the open ended questions he raises thought provoking and inspiring. It's unfortunate that some folks seem threatened by the questions he leaves floating. Introspection is a never-ending exploration and adventure - it would be folly to expect it to be comforting or easy.
Some comfort would be nice. we are nothing important, maybe nothing at all.
After researching many NDEs (Near Death Experiences) there was one that proves to me that you Don't need a brain to remember, be conscious, be self aware after physical death. A neuro scientist had a horrendous accident in her car, and for all intense and purpose she was next to dead. She was rushed into hospital where surgeons fought to save her life. While she was on the operating table, she experienced an incredible higher realm of the astral world where she was highly aware and conscious all the while. All her senses were hyper real, all seeing, hearing, feeling and everything else was functioning perfectly. She was told many things by "others" in this "realm", and she asked many questions and learnt a lot.. However, after much time she was told she had to return to earth and continue with her life. As she returned, she saw the operating table where he body was being worked on and she could perceive all those involved in trying to save her life. After much work by the surgeons, she recovered from the ordeal. After a few weeks convalescing she wanted to see all the medical notes associated with her case. She was astonished to learn that her brain was totally without oxygen for 20 mins (I know, it's said that the brain cannot survive after 5 mins without oxygen and she admits this was a surprise). Being a neuro scientist she was fascinated with her NDE because of the incredible experience of what it was like on the "other side". However she was puzzled, she said it was simply IMPOSSIBLE for her brain to create those sensory experiences she had while on the operating table. Without an adequate supply of oxygen, the brain simply cannot function to produce all that sensory input.
There is the 1. Consciousness 2.Subconscious 3. Super-Consciousness. Like there is Jivatman-The Soul(Individual) Paratman - Spirit (Universal). Brahman-God. Now there are different polarities and Dimensions of existence. However the Spirit is apart of the whole layer of this know reality . But there may be many realities
Ira, I respect you and what you are doing, so I don't want you to give incorrect information to the people at your talks.
At around the 1:28:00 part of this talk, you stated that "95% of all quantum mechanic scientists now have rejected the Copenhagen Interpretation (CI)."
This simply isn't true. As of the latest poll done on the subject, in 2013, a plurality of 42% of quantum scientists polled, chose Copenhagen (CI) above the other interpretations.
www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/01/17/the-most-embarrassing-graph-in-modern-physics/
If, in four years, those number have changed to "95% rejecting it" I'd like to see your sources.
In the article I cite, even though Sean Carroll himself disagrees with CI, he does NOT reject or question this poll. Therefore, as of 2013, CI remains the most accepted by the people who work with this stuff every day.
Please. PLEASE correct what you've told your audience. You've spent a lifetime on Vedanta, and are clearly qualified to speak on it. But you've dabbled in physics only for a short period. Please don't speak with an authority which you do not possess.
Well said! In this talk Ira caught his audience off guard but I find is sad that after years of Vedanta Ira succumbs to pop physicists like Sean Carroll!
Ive proven this beyond all doubt....conciousness is unembodied. Would you like to hear my research.
Youre not seriously listening to the neuroscientist?🤣dear one ive died several times...their science is self affirming...self creating.
Ira has clearly taken the bait of the mind. All science is from the basis that matter existed before consciousness. His idea's, or more so the idea's that he has adopted are based in duality. What he said does oppose Advaita Vedanta and my experience. My experience is there is only one reality. No one has ever had an experience outside of consciousness and matter existing outside of consciousness cannot be verified. No matter what science experiments you do, scans of the brain or whatever nothing takes place outside of consciousness. I would be happy to debate this. No one can ever prove that argument wrong. Ira never really dealt with his atheistic beliefs and still is caught in the snare of samsara. I'm sure he will suffer and come back to traditional Vedanta when he has had enough:)
Guys also listen to Swami Sarvapriyananda of Vedantic society of America, he also explains Non - duality in a wonderful way as Ira does. Do listen to him once and you will not stop.
Isn't Nachiketa the name of the first advaitan who was blesses by Yama?
@@abhishekshah11 Right!
Also listen to francis lucillle.
Cant you see how it happened IRA....surely you were there. This conciousness was here ira...with the dinosaurs...with all life...you were here.
Aloha Ira love your talks . How can I get in touch with you ?
Immortality is irrelevant to the absolute that is why it is non-dual. Immortality implies mortality which is the dream or trip neither have relevance to the Tao. We (ego) would like to be there to experience the absolute but we are the absolute it is the freedom from ego that is the liberation. There is dreaming but no dreamer there is what is dreamt but no causality. We cannot know what we are , we are that , we can only negate what we pre-assume ourselves to be: mind, body ,thoughts ,etc. In my humble opinion the awareness HAS to proceed and experience,opinion or belief because how would we be able to form such ideas? First awareness then interpretation.
As close as I think we can say is -it is awareness which maintains itself always without comparison. Our individual self aware consciousness allows us to become aware that this awareness is what cannot be comprehended by the mind, thought or idea . Or self consciousness is an opportunity to awaken to this.
There never was a individual , only dreaming within self manifested consciousness in the awareness we cannot comprehend that has produced the 10 thousand things. In physics the measurement problem has shown our individual consciousness in this awareness produces matter without this measurement or attention a particular returns to a state of light or a ray with no mass . To me we are producing the world of matter within our imagination or causal existence. We are that. To have a experience , opinion or belief about anything from a doughnut to God we have to first be aware of what we are about to judge. The awareness is first then comes ego in its dreaming cloud of self perception, it cannot be the other way around. After the awareness we become the operant power driving the experience.
The ego puts itself ahead of awareness and that when all the trouble starts or all the elation begins , both a self manufactured experiences.
The wave ,thinks its a wave but is unaware it is the ocean unless it looks within to see the water.
Peace , Love ,Kindness and Aloha ....
Unbelievably amazing. One of the BEST teachers on non-duality, I've ever had the pleasure of hearing. Has a great way, of communicating this extremely frustrating - TRUE NATURE OF SELF, due to the mental conditioning, over hundreds, or thousands of human brains ( was going to say years.........but NO such thing as Space/time.)
Yes indeed he is....also listen to Swami Sarvapriyananda videos on Advaita vedanta, he too is of similar kind, explains Advaita in a wonderful way!!!
worth waiting for every year
Why Materialism is Baloney: th-cam.com/video/eehz5YKnBf4/w-d-xo.html
These are very important videos. Ira has opened up doors to me that I didn't even know existed. Thank you for posting these talks.
Advaita Vedanta makes sense if you believe in the Copenhagen interpretation.
I can prove it IRA...but i wont do it publicly again.
So it seems. God is literally the sum total of everything’s consciousness.
If your faith has really come to this place...come to me and we will resolve the question once and for all....IRA you woke from this dream as a lucid dreamer...you assumed that above this(or below)was the absolute formless. Not true sir. Its infinity up and down. There is another you which dreams your whole life. I can show you how to wake up there.
As above so below. They are one.
@@iamessence6268 all is one.❤🙏
Ira surely youve had enormous proof of divine intelligence as i have.
Unless the person is enlightened then the next best thing is to admit you are humble and human. I know advaitins argue that there is no person, but there is on this plane.
Ramana Maharshi, as a boy sat there while insects ate at his body. Un un-enlightened boy would have brushed the insects off in disgust.
So its fine for Ira to have doubts. (If only scientists can also have doubts!!)
I remember Ram Dass talking about his stroke and saying at the moment he was terrified of dying. Turning to the camera, very humbly Ram Dass admitted he had a long way to go.
I admire his intellectual honesty about his hypothetical questions regarding the origin of consciousness. Is consciousness all-pervading, universal and independent (Brahman) or is consciousness limited by and emerging out of organic origins (Atman) ? I know for myself, as a materialistic atheist, that consciousness is individual, emerging and limited by the body. Introspect indeed concludes a witness witnessing phenomenons, conceptualized by the brain and labeled by predetermined conceptions within time and space. I don't buy hindouism, yoga nor scriptures, but I learned about the 'witness witnessing' , thanks to advaita, Sivananda and ari. So thanks for that. His lecture opened a futur door for the study of consciousness and neurology.
I just realized that the difference between belief in 'Brahmic' - consciousness and 'Atmic' consciousness is the difference between believing in a {supreme being/non-being/Ultimate consciousness/god} and in the 'belief' of materialistic physicalism. It boils down to believing in God or not. The question of the witness is irrelevant. Brahman and Atman OR Atman alone? Universal consciousness OR individual consciousness
Just wanted to add one small comment in reference to the Christian tradition. If you look outside of tradition and enculturation, you'll find that the teachings of Jesus very much coincide with the fundamental truths examined by vedanta. Once society, history and ignorance had its say, these teaching were largely lost in the fog. However, if you understand the implications of vedanta, you'll find those same implications espoused through the historical teachings of the Christ. (albeit, he offered them from the language of a different culture and context)
Well said Michael Vedanta is not the only gateway to the Self if one truly studies, & contemplates the teachings of the Christ it's all their "Be Still & Know that I'am that I'am "tat tvam asi " Thou are that comes from upanishad" I like vedanta very, very much i have study, & currently studying the life of Ramakrishna who comes from the tradition of vedanta, sometimes when i listen to some but not all Vedanta teachers like Ira, i get the sense that Advaita Vedanta is the only gateway to the Self the most direct path ((superior) to other path's but i don't subscribe to that kind of thinking. It might be the most direct path, i could say the same is true with the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj Sri Ramakrishna just to name a few they simplified the practice of Advaita Vedanta like Self Enquiry like Ramana Who am I, & Nisargadatta Maharai Neti, Neti not this not that!
Thank you for a very clear and cogent exposition of Advaita Vedanta. Regarding the views of those scientists mentioned (Harris, Krause, Dawkins, and Carroll). Those guys espouse an atheistic "scientism" based in materialism. These views are clearly devoid of a more subtle philosophical speculation. The transcendent ground of all Being and the field of universal consciousness we all "experientially" participate in (Brahman/Atman), is clearly out of bounds for the finite perspectives of "scientism". While one can never escape one's own perspective, one may expand it as one is so inclined.
What I don't get is that young Ira found solid confirmation in the psychedelic experience. Then he goes to India, learns Sanskrit and becomes an advaitin looking for the lasting state.
But older Ira reads pop science and now he has doubts! So was it for nothing?
Doesn't having doubts invalidate his advaita vendanta position?
Isn't the pop science part of this dream?
Yes it is. The pop science is logically inconsistent in the mathematical sense of a paradox of self-reference, but there is a logically consistent way to formalize all of modern science. See the science and nonduality wordpress website:
scienceandnonduality.wordpress.com/2018/08/09/who-or-what-am-i/
Such a great talk. Pity the sound quality is so poor.
The audio's poor quality is due to the electric cooling fan
Words of wisdom
Worth a watch, in the context of the issues raised in this talk, is Bernardo Kastrup's "Top 10 Materialist Fallacies" - th-cam.com/video/2m7BxlWlvzc/w-d-xo.html
Ira would be better of by not getting into scientific arguments like that. It just diverts the message. Problem with science is that they take matter and the brain for real. Same for genetics. However in the end it is just an appearance in consiousness, nothing else. That you have a brain is not more then an appearance, it is not real in the sense of matter. So it looks like matter, it looks like neurons firing, but in reality it is just a flat experience coming out of nowwhere. So for the question who were you before you were born, it is not in the genetics of the parents. Time is itself also unreal because based on matter, there is only now, so the whole question of being born is there only now, not anywhere else. And even if you want to talk about the situation before you are ´born´ is a potential situation where there is no manifestion, only the potential for it but you are still there unchanged. Your parents did not exist before you were ´born´. When you were ´born´ so were your parents at that moment and not any ´sooner´.
yes, that baffles me too- when seeing/understanding the truth that you are the impersonal and impartial self, awareness unstained by the illusory appearance of objects, why then change focus back onto those apparent objects, i.e. give way to the natural inclination of the mind to go 'outside'?!
See my comments above
What is matter? never mind , what is Mind ? it doesn't matter .
Good talk
My experience is that I'm Aware of the appearance of Consciousness (the feeling I Exist) which is simultaneous with the appearance of the world and all objective experiences.
I'm also Aware of the disappearance of Consciousness when falling asleep. In deep sleep I'm aware of no thing, until Consciousness returns again. Awareness has no quality and is prior to Consciousness.
Dear Drs Moschetta. I have just recently published a book with 'New Island Publications' on Advaita thru Zen Koans. It's call 'A Path Home' - a bilingual introduction to Advaita thru Zen Koans. I would like to send a copy to Ira. Is there any address to which I can send it to him? I have found only your podcasts on his talks on this topic but no other contact for him or his work. I live in Ireland and have watched all your downloads. Ira's talks on Advaita make this topic extremely accessible and clear. If you can help me out on this matter, I would very grateful to you both. I can be found on facebook. Best Wishes and many thanks, Garry Bannister.
Is this not really just "in the world, but not off the world?" For a time, during human experience, we may straddle "appearing as the human," but with the knowing that we forever are the subject of everything that appears, which is eternal, non local, being, bliss.
Ira that is the point of miracles to show something that simply cannot be explained by the mind....surely youve been witness.
Personal perspective after witnessing several speeches by nonduality experiencers like eschart tolle, jim newman, alan watts, wayne dyer, j khrisnamurti, sadhguru and so on:
Spirituality is a realm of experience aspiring to the ultimate,
Freeing from the unsatisfying bondage created by all the norms of common intellectualism, cultural logic, religious directions and dogtrines, all the rules created by purposeful anthropologics,
Inspired by the vastness of nature and the limitless cosmic appearance,
Spiritual seekers aspire according their unique personal, subjective potentialities trying to reach ultimate bliss blossoming from the material world of life.
Personal perspective after witnessing several speeches by nonduality experiencers like eschart tolle, jim newman, alan watts, wayne dyer, j khrisnamurti, sadhguru and so on:
Spirituality is a realm of experience aspiring to the ultimate,
Freeing from the unsatisfying bondage created by all the norms of common intellectualism, cultural logic, religious directions and dogtrines, all the rules created by purposeful anthropologics,
Inspired by the vastness of nature and the limitless cosmic appearance,
Spiritual seekers aspire according their unique personal, subjective potentialities trying to reach ultimate bliss blossoming from the material world of life.
IRA ive seen direct physical reality alter...ive seen alternate dimensions...havent you?
Awesome discussion and insight into Vedanta; Honestly, I got spooked by how easily the "soundness and Truth" of Advaita was made (ammenable?), or said to be ("insufficient"?) when Mr. Schepetin incorporated modern material science into the mix.
The modern revelations snd truth of science, such as the infinitude of life and myriad planets/solar systems, and the ultimate wisp of the brefity of Life in the Cosmos--shouldn't trip-up the Truth-of-Self simply bc they are a truth of the one state of consciousness we experience--the wakeful state...nor should they challenge our "faith" in Supreme Self and all the tenents we hold dear by real surrender--God is all there is, even if Layla played in Cro-Magnon man. Right?
Of course, it does "blow my mind", evaluating the truths modern science points-out.
Really, all I can say is I DONT KNOW, but I do believe in Self Realization and the super-humanity of that state: Bliss Consciousness beyond joy and sorrow, and this highest state of BEING not affected by our knowing science's modern truths.
In the presence of a Realized Master--all such doubts or "amendments" melt. Right?
I ask bc I've never been in the company or presence of a Self Realized Master.
Love this great philosophical discussion...and from a "simpleton", I would say, "might it be better to think with our hearts than our minds"?
Adieu!
Ira’s willingness to confront the challenges posed to Advaita by modern science is highly commendable. Here’s a comprehensive exposition - albeit somewhat snarky in places - of the issues involved concerning neuroscience -
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Non-materialist_neuroscience
Are you really telling God that its not here because richard Dawkins says so🤣🤣
We can agree that a physical body can appear in infinite consciousness, so is it not possible that a subtle formless body might also appear to consciousness with a mind formed from our lifes experiences and memories? Memories are not contained in the brain thats for sure and we have known that now for many years. Some experts on sleep say that whilst we sleep our brain is busier than during the day. sorting files out from junk and also maybe uploading and downloading information to and from the very fabric of the universe.
Materialistic reductionism can never explain the absolute truth. Scientists can explain something in theory only to contradict themselves later. Vedanta teaches time and space exists in the mind. So no matter what the theories of scientists, it will be in the realm of objects. The subjective awareness is eternal and substratum of the universe.
Should we distinguish between sentience and Consciousness/Awareness? I would like to know about the philosophical problems that Ira claims will arise if we believe, like the woman mentioned, that Consciousness , "in the presence" of the evolved brain, creates a sentient person.
Human is an idea and I am not an idea.
Existence cannot be conceptualized because it is PRIOR to thought. If Existence cannot be conceptualized it is not an object. If not object, then not subject to time.
Doubts consciousness exists independently beyond the physical? Time for Ira to try DMT haha
What is your opinion or expirience with Dr. Grabovoi, there is a claim that he speed up the Vedas ?
Wow, I am blown away that it's has jump ship. Just speech less. He has to be 70 or better, and never found the light I thought he had. 50 years he been searching, shoots
I don't think you understand. I hope you will continue to listen, you might be able to "get it" but, it's very subtle. No one is liberated and no one ever needed liberation... doesn't
That what you get when the mind want's to know it's source .Its totaly missing the point .
Dear Friend Ira, great presentation by you on the teachings of Advaita Vedanta which are in tune with the Masters of the yore, Gowdapada and Shankara, and of last century saint, Sri Swami Satchidanandendra Saraswathi (although you did not name them all and spoke as though they were all from your personal experience).
But, alas, that was for about the first 50 minutes in the video and you changed tunes! Why did you have to attempt to find a basis of all experiences in the universe of inert objects? Have you not read Shankara that the Self/Consciousness is undeniable since it is the Self of even the one who denies, the Self is therefore eternal and prior to all phenomenon? How does one establish the existence of inert matter without Awareness? Why is this misplaced glorification of Science?
There is no contradiction between Science and Vedanta as the perception and inference are taken to be valid but limited to the waking world. The Rishis and Shankara might not have known the intricacies of modern science, but are you not convinced that they have emphatically declared the woeful inadequacy of perception and inference, the basis of modern science, for determining the transcendental Truth and they established the need for anubhava (universal experience) and Shabda (the revelations)? Why this hurry to break from the path of the Masters of the East?
Cannot you imagine that Science will have to end up including the Subject in its models and turn Vedantic to establish the Truth? Love and best wishes.
This may the a case of a profound intellectual grasp of the teaching, but a clever ego will easily be puffed out by scientific knowledge. It's sad that Ira couldn't see that.
I admire Ira's humility and commitment to knowledge of the self. Many Advaitins, in the name of apauresheya-shabda-pramana, are simply dogmatic. I think that Ira is presenting a valid alternative paradigm of understanding the self, which happens to stem from contemporary findings in science. That is all.
Ira's 1st video on Advaita years ago led me to try practicing Advaita Vedanta and see my real nature.
My question now is why many gurus, mostly Indian gurus, teaching Advaita Vedanta cannot do away with belief in god/gods and keep on explaining belief in god is helpful comparing it with Bhakti yoga?
Can you mix Bhakti yoga and Advaita?
In India, they show you multiple. Pure advaita is gyana yoga or the path of knowledge, bhakti yoga is path of love or devotion( object-less love), raja yoga for meditative path, karma yoga as unattached action. You can choose any path depending on your individual trait and cultural orientation. The final state is one of freedom from separate self, ego-death and love
You do not hv to believe in hindu gods or worship them. Hinduism is non-doctrinaire
@@ramananvenkataraman4594yes
We arent just human IRA
Is there anything written by Ira that I can read?
May I know how to get in touch with Ira? Tks!
Brilliant and clear and just amazing! Thank you 🙏🏼
Yes
Thank you so much. you are so energetic
Does Ira have a speaking event schedule?
Dear ira. Im sorry to see your father's atheistic materialism caught up with you. Or maybe it's the ego( even as an Object) that is so frightingly terrified of annihilation. OR maybe analizing experience is not enough, there must be Love of God, that is to say faith in the Goodness of it all. And Hope,too. I wish you all the best.
Stop, you're embarrassing Jesus.
Faith is belief ! In the word belief is the word lie. Belief is NOT TRUTH. Millions of people believe in all sorts of bullshit. Just the fact, that most people can't, or won't accept belief and truth are total opposites, just shows how deluded most humans are!!
Great teaching and discussion.
Dear Stephanie Booth, you said it! Even as the extremely subtle truth of Advaita is attempted to be well grasped intellectually, the ego raises its hood, and goads you to believe that you are already established in Advaitha, and urges you to cut across and discover new truths for the humanity, something even the Masters could never comprehend. There are pseudo advaitins who want to, somehow, find a reconciliation between science and advaita. These attempts are doomed to fail as the scientific discoveries pertain to the phenomenon that presupposes the existence of the Absolute (Self). One who treads the path of the Upanishads needs to be reminded that 'intellectual grasp of advaita' is not the same as 'establishment in that Truth'. The possible delight or the serenity that one may derive by an intellectual grasp of the Truth is a mere particle, a mere drop in the ocean, in the infinite Ananda, that is Self. Sincere hope is that Ira will untangle himself soon from the net that the ego is casting.
What's the problem with Ira, for you, of course, friend?
@@MrResearcher122 Ira and I know one another for over a decade. Our knowledge of Advaita Vedanta has its basis on Upanishads and the writings of the same Masters of the East.
According to Advaita Vedanta, Consciousness/Brahman alone is the Truth. It is the non-dual Self of all, all objects in the Universe. The universe is a mental superimposition on the Self. The Universe with its varied activities appear to be true until one realises in one's own experience, that one's intrinsic nature is Brahman and nothing really exists apart from Brahman.
While Ira gave a good presentation of Advaita Vedanta, towards the second half I found him to be exploring the basis of all experiences in the Universe of objects. This does not hold in Vedanta. Please hear his presentation and read my comments to it (not only my reply to Stephanie), again.
@@ramanathak.s.8679 I am somewhat new to the Hindu understanding. I understood in part non- dualism within a Christian and Islamic language yet,as a student of Zen, found the language there too.Shankara's inferences,it is claimed, owe a lot to mahayana buddhism. I just bought the Upanishads. Ira openly takes a light stick to those like Rupert Spira for teaching a wrong headed teachings about advaita avanta. He also seems to be against Sailor Bob's do-it-yoursel teachings. Bob was in the lineage of Nisargadatta,I believe. Is Ira saying these people are not offering the truthful teachings of advaita avanta?
@@MrResearcher122 I understand that you have varied background. You might have started understanding Upanishads and Shankar's commentaries on them, recently. However, I wish to suggest to you that the Non-dual Brahman of Upanishads, as expounded by Shankara has a hoary tradition, which is understood to be eternal. As such, you may not be able to find this Truth on the basis of Christian or Islamic traditions. It is totally false that Shankara would have been influenced by Mahayana Buddhism or any other.
There are different shades to non-dualism and I have not tried to understand Rupert Spira or others.
It is my earnest suggestion to you that, if you wish to understand Shankara, you hardly have a better choice in the west than Ira. My comments about his particular video here may be taken as a minor "aberration". You will really benefit from his wisdom, by watching his videos and by keeping a direct contact with him.
@@ramanathak.s.8679 There are quite a few Indian Advaita teachers, Gurus, out there,on here. Some say dualistic thinking is a helpful stepping stone to non- dualistic thinking. This can leave room for devotion,and a God. Others restate it the other way. Openness is the way. Saying one teacher has all the answers might be a bit unwise. We learn, we take, we must find our own way. Ira is good sounding teacher,but others too sound very good.
Very nice... thanks
Thank you : )
Ira cheack Ken Wilber and 4quads tehory. you will like it. speacily about flatland and growing up and waking up.
aum sat chit ananda
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At least Ira had the bulls to admit he has doubts. That makes him a man.
All of us already are men. Doubt doesn't raise the level of one's worth. It simply means he's being honest, nothing more.
He's honest
Talking about the brain.Which part of the brain deals with storing the memory?
Thank you guru ji for helping me, half path I have travel in my own, remaining half I covered after watching this video and gaining experiance from this video. This one vedio pratically remove stress, pain, suffering from humanity, it will work only if one have to believe guru ji/teacher for 3 minute and listen this vedio beginning to end, after that no need to believe other, you can believe your own experiance, it will show you way forward. Experiance time and space are objects. We accept darwin theory(it is correct theory, not 100% correct) but it can not accept or reject souls, karma and rebirth thoery(passing zin and souls rebirth have no relation, karma theory have no relation with darwin theory) as Darwin theory talk about how life created in this earth, it don't go beyond it, have no clue how/why this universe created and god relation, only Veda explain it.
Where I'm from the IRA is a paramilitary organisation
The sun exists without the earth,but can the earth exist without the sun?
This experience doesnt come and go.Its permanent.
It's just Ram Dass's story, and he tells it a helluva lot better.
NONSENSE .... Advaita does not lead to Liberation ... It is just a mental logic system that turns into another believe system.... Liberation is the full disappearance of the sense/feeling that I am this person identified/living with/as this body. I have seen people who are masters in Advaita and they are not Liberated but they can speak/write encyclopedias about advaita. They think if you keep studying the advaita scriptures one will get Liberated.
You could make that same claim regarding absolutely everything that passes through the current of our world. On the flip side, every teaching leads to liberation if one is ready to have it so. Your "point", pardon my abruptness, is basically pointless and unfounded.
""every teaching leads to liberation if one is ready to have it so"" That is a silly ridiculous claim that is often practiced verbally by idiots who have no clue what they are talking about. and ""Your "point", pardon my abruptness, is basically pointless and unfounded.""
@@waiataaroha To many concepts that's jumping from one concept to another Neti Neti not this not that as Nisargadatta would say " first you must fund out who you're not" "To know who you are"
I recommend the video 'Self realization' in 'inner being' channel. 😇