Mind may be transmuted from state to state degree to degree condition to condition pole to pole vibration to vibration true hermetic transmutation is a mental art
This comment is for Ira: The view or idea that when everything is negated, what remains is the true self, that view also should be negated. All views, including the view of there being something ultimate called true self, are without inherent essence, empty. "Then what?" This too is empty and should be dropped. The idea of negating, the idea of "what remains" and so on, are all empty and irrelevant to awakening. "Whatever is" is empty. Even the idea that "whatever is is empty" is without inherent essence but it's a pointer, not to an understanding but to a realization, to an awakening... Therefore, things become again exactly what they are. Absolute and ultimate are not needed. Non-duality presupposes duality. Both are not needed. The realization *on a psychological level* that all views and phenomena are devoid of any intrinsic essence is liberating. That realization is however beyond words. Peace to you.
This guy turned everything inside out for me! However... there is an aspect I need clarity on. I understand the objective nature of the states but I would like Ira to explain the interrelated nature of the dream and waking worlds. My waking world influences my dream state. In fact I seem to know my dreams from the waking perspective. And then there is lucidity within the dream state too that needs explanation. To say that one state cancels the other (as Ira does) isn’t conclusive for me. Can he explain this linkage? And it seems that events in the waking world can wake me from my dream state such as a barking dog. This points to a waking world existing outside my waking conscious. Likewise news of the passing of a loved one whilst I was in the dream state is then realized in the waking state as if the waking world exists outside of my waking consciousness. Ira mentions that he’s be happy to answer questions. Perhaps the facilitators could ask him to do so please... 🙏
Would it be correct in saying that the techniques of insight/mindfulness or vipassana, like those taught by Sayadaw Upandita, focus your mind, aiming your attention on an object like the breath (or no object and just witnessing whatever distractions enter the mind), but hopefully, over time you realize there is no self. On the other hand, the Dharma path of non-dual practices (ex. dzogchen and even advaita although its methodology is different), is not just the recognition, but the internalization, that that there is no separation between your consciousness and its contents.
Advaita Vedanta is Totally different from Vipasana and Dzog Chen, both in Philosophy and methodology. Vipasana thinks there is no Self and Dzog Chen thinks there is no separation between consciousness and it’s object. In Advaita there is a true Self that is Changeless non dual Consciousness in which there never was, is or will be any object at any time ( apparent or real) Ira
Ira. So glad i came across this. I have listened to this teaching at least 50 times in my life, yet i got something more from you. Im sure i will listen again and again to this. Blessings and thank you ❤️
If only the Self is Real, then is Ramana s Self Inquiry valid insofar as it advocates Looking closely at the Snake (the ego in wakeful state) so that we ultimately come to see the true Self? Self Inquiry starts from the state of wakefulness, not the deep sleep state, however the Direct Path advocates we start from the reality of pure awareness itself , I.e. we start from the reality of the rope in our inquiry.
No. ‘Ramanas Self Inquiry’ is not valid! (As a means of Knowledge). Self Inquiry cannot remove Ignorance. If it could,you would not need the Vedantic teaching nor a Guru. At most you could say the function of a Guru would be to teach you how to do ‘Self Inquiry’ and then you have to do it -- and not the correct idea according to the Upanishads, Sri Shankara and Universal experience that merely understanding the Gurus’ teaching is sufficient and then, there is nothing more to be done or practiced after that. Please refer to Naishkarmya Siddhi to see the in depth and thorough critique of the idea that ignorance can be removed by ‘Self Inquiry’. Of course this subject demands a lot more discussion but this will have to be sufficient for now. Ira
One of the replies is you are already it. That’s absolutely right. You cannot experience it from where you are. You need to empty out what you are perceiving to be true and then you are only left with the truth. One cannot experience Japan while still being in the USA. A good coin covered with dirt is still gold but this truth is evident only when the dirt is removed. The gold has always been there and it will be there forever.
The example given by Shankara is the following You are dreaming. A lion almost kills you in the dream. You wake up. After you wake up, you understand the lion was unreal. So an unreal dream woke you up. Similarly, the happenings in the waking world will "wake" you up.
The problem with this Indian philosophy is that it asserts that ultimate reality is "one without a second", i.e. non-dual. However, the latter description is still a quality and necessarily objectifies that which is supposed to be without any quality or any relation to anything. Buddhism does a much better job in my opinion, by emphasizing Shunyata (translated as Emptiness), which instead of being something ultimate is the (act of) relinquishing all views, including the view of Atman-or any true self, universal consciousness, etc. Moreover, Buddhism warns against turning (the method of) Shunyata into a view. The bottom line in Buddhism is that awakening is only possible when all views and all phenomena are known to be empty in the sense that they all lack inherent essence, are transient and interdependent. Concepts such as all-pervading "consciousness" or "true self" are misleading in this regard. Even the idea of there being something non-dual is problematic. Only the realization that nothing has inherent essence and therefore the relinquishing of all views could be liberating.
Stunning, mind blowing talk!
Love everything u shared thank u from my heart.
This is Sublime !
Thank you Ira 🙏🕉️
Thank you. I was just having all these questions but I couldn't find no one to ask to. You came at the right time!
Incredible thankyou Waheguru ❤️🙏🏾
Greetings and thank you very much for posting this. I had the exact same question as Robin MacAndrew as would truly appreciate clarification from Ira.
this reminds me of the teachings of the Kybalion.
"The ALL IS MIND; The Universe is Mental".
Thanks. What you call waking is you.
How do I meet Ira?
Ira. What can i say? Thank you.
Mind may be transmuted from state to state degree to degree condition to condition pole to pole vibration to vibration true hermetic transmutation is a mental art
Is there anyway one can communicate directly with Ira? Does he have an email address? Thank you.
This comment is for Ira: The view or idea that when everything is negated, what remains is the true self, that view also should be negated. All views, including the view of there being something ultimate called true self, are without inherent essence, empty. "Then what?" This too is empty and should be dropped. The idea of negating, the idea of "what remains" and so on, are all empty and irrelevant to awakening. "Whatever is" is empty. Even the idea that "whatever is is empty" is without inherent essence but it's a pointer, not to an understanding but to a realization, to an awakening... Therefore, things become again exactly what they are. Absolute and ultimate are not needed. Non-duality presupposes duality. Both are not needed. The realization *on a psychological level* that all views and phenomena are devoid of any intrinsic essence is liberating. That realization is however beyond words. Peace to you.
_lonelywolf you might be right
This guy turned everything inside out for me! However... there is an aspect I need clarity on. I understand the objective nature of the states but I would like Ira to explain the interrelated nature of the dream and waking worlds. My waking world influences my dream state. In fact I seem to know my dreams from the waking perspective. And then there is lucidity within the dream state too that needs explanation. To say that one state cancels the other (as Ira does) isn’t conclusive for me. Can he explain this linkage? And it seems that events in the waking world can wake me from my dream state such as a barking dog. This points to a waking world existing outside my waking conscious. Likewise news of the passing of a loved one whilst I was in the dream state is then realized in the waking state as if the waking world exists outside of my waking consciousness. Ira mentions that he’s be happy to answer questions. Perhaps the facilitators could ask him to do so please... 🙏
We associate deep sleep with blackness but I think I'm starting to see that it is the ego which sees light as black.
Yes. In deep sleep there is no ‘blackness’ or ‘ blank’ nor anyone aware of‘blackness’ or a ‘ blank’.
Ira
I had to listen to this 4 times and counting
Would it be correct in saying that the techniques of insight/mindfulness or vipassana, like those taught by Sayadaw Upandita, focus your mind, aiming your attention on an object like the breath (or no object and just witnessing whatever distractions enter the mind), but hopefully, over time you realize there is no self.
On the other hand, the Dharma path of non-dual practices (ex. dzogchen and even advaita although its methodology is different), is not just the recognition, but the internalization, that that there is no separation between your consciousness and its contents.
Advaita Vedanta is Totally different from Vipasana and Dzog Chen, both in Philosophy and methodology.
Vipasana thinks there is no Self and Dzog Chen thinks there is no separation between consciousness and it’s object.
In Advaita there is a true Self that is Changeless non dual Consciousness in which there never was, is or will be any object at any time ( apparent or real)
Ira
Does anyone know any decent book by Sri Shankara
Try Nisargadatta Maharaj
Ira. So glad i came across this. I have listened to this teaching at least 50 times in my life, yet i got something more from you. Im sure i will listen again and again to this.
Blessings and thank you ❤️
Please continue with other texts, such as Naishkarmya Siddhi by Sureshvaracharya or Adhyasa Bhashya.
If only the Self is Real, then is Ramana s Self Inquiry valid insofar as it advocates Looking closely at the Snake (the ego in wakeful state) so that we ultimately come to see the true Self? Self Inquiry starts from the state of wakefulness, not the deep sleep state, however the Direct Path advocates we start from the reality of pure awareness itself , I.e. we start from the reality of the rope in our inquiry.
No. ‘Ramanas Self Inquiry’ is not valid! (As a means of Knowledge). Self Inquiry cannot remove Ignorance. If it could,you would not need the Vedantic teaching nor a Guru.
At most you could say the function of a Guru would be to teach you how to do ‘Self Inquiry’ and then you have to do it -- and not the correct idea according to the Upanishads, Sri Shankara and Universal experience that merely understanding the Gurus’ teaching is sufficient and then, there is nothing more to be done or practiced after that. Please refer to Naishkarmya Siddhi to see the in depth and thorough critique of the idea that ignorance can be removed by ‘Self Inquiry’.
Of course this subject demands a lot more discussion but this will have to be sufficient for now.
Ira
So nice. What are your Future Video plans? laters :3
How can we be certain that there's an eternal consciousness behind the scene? How can I experience this?
Death, meditation or psychedelics
One of the replies is you are already it. That’s absolutely right. You cannot experience it from where you are. You need to empty out what you are perceiving to be true and then you are only left with the truth. One cannot experience Japan while still being in the USA. A good coin covered with dirt is still gold but this truth is evident only when the dirt is removed. The gold has always been there and it will be there forever.
How do I meet you Ira?
It's interesting stuff
I had to be in my waking state to be witnessing this teaching...true or not? But the waking state is not real...so??
Mirage exists until it is seen for what it is.
@@attagirl01 Thank you. :-)
The example given by Shankara is the following
You are dreaming. A lion almost kills you in the dream. You wake up. After you wake up, you understand the lion was unreal. So an unreal dream woke you up.
Similarly, the happenings in the waking world will "wake" you up.
The problem with this Indian philosophy is that it asserts that ultimate reality is "one without a second", i.e. non-dual. However, the latter description is still a quality and necessarily objectifies that which is supposed to be without any quality or any relation to anything. Buddhism does a much better job in my opinion, by emphasizing Shunyata (translated as Emptiness), which instead of being something ultimate is the (act of) relinquishing all views, including the view of Atman-or any true self, universal consciousness, etc. Moreover, Buddhism warns against turning (the method of) Shunyata into a view. The bottom line in Buddhism is that awakening is only possible when all views and all phenomena are known to be empty in the sense that they all lack inherent essence, are transient and interdependent. Concepts such as all-pervading "consciousness" or "true self" are misleading in this regard. Even the idea of there being something non-dual is problematic. Only the realization that nothing has inherent essence and therefore the relinquishing of all views could be liberating.
_lonelywolf you might be right