Jaco at this point in time was going through a difficult period in his life. His health was failing, family falling apart, but yet he could still play such angelic music.. I always have tears in my eyes watching this guy express himself in this video alongside with Toots.. Jaco Pastorius for ever🙏
Bro! This album was a masterpiece. Three Views was written for Ingrid, his Indonesian wife. John and Mary, his two children from a previous marraige. When I listen to Three views, i always get a bit sad. He was in love with a beautiful woman, which is supposed to be one of the happiest times in your life, but he was fighting these mental demons. Joe Zawinul, one of Jaco's biggest pseudo critics(because nobody could hate Jaco, he could frustrate you but nobody could hate Jaco) loved this song
The tormented lives of artists will never be fully characterized in words. They are simply too connected with all that presents to them as modern reality - the failings & fortunes - the cup runneth over. We will miss them terribly & also celebrate them in their glories, for that is the only good way to 'remember' their arts.
Jaco was a hero of mine growing up. I didn't know back then that I would end up a homeless drug addict eventually too. Luckily I pulled out of it. Viva Jaco
Yes, it's wonderfully expressive - wistfully nostalgic and hopeful at the same time, I think. I would have loved to see David Gilmour attempt a cover version - he has a similar gift for shaping tunes and solos that capture tender nostalgia and bittersweet melancholy.
Not in the Jazz world (Toots)… actually also not in the pop world (Stevie)…. Actually not in the folk/country/blues world (too much to name 😅). Actually it’s not underrated lol. The term underrated is overrated
Pastorius looks like a happy little boy genius, and toots looks like there is no place in the world he'd rather be than on stage with Jaco, playing this brilliant and moving tune. Seeing this great time for these two makes me even sadder about the tragedy of Jaco Pastorius.
Jaco was so much more than a bass player, musically…and this is a shining example of his compositional ability, absolutely beautiful piece. The chord movements, the melody and overall breezy vibe….it’s a masterpiece of harmony. He is greatly missed.
Jesus, this is the most beautiful thing in the history of music. Jaco's face is wonderful to behold. Surely he saw the genius in others that could match his own.
Such a poignant image--the old master and the young tragic genius whose days are numbered. Nothing could take this shining moment from them, not even Jaco's sad decline and passing just two years later.
@@OldRunt he explains it very well in the comment. Just re read it a few times and put in some minimal effort and I think you'll answer your own question.
@@MrOhmygoditsben Agree, Jaco at this time had been through a few really rough years and his big, warm smiles here are also about a sense of relief after so much pain. This is a beautifully poignant video.
+dave l. underwood i think it takes an outside mind to see this. Jewish genius and a mad musician with a heroin problem. 2 musical madmen attacking Jazz. fuck that's outta my league :P
Jaco was smiling so big during this number! That's a truly wonderful musician to derive such great pleasure from performing is the sign of a truly dedicated musical talent. He was a great man.
I didn't know that Jaco could play the piano as well, and I really love the expressions on his face, as he is apparently really enjoying this duo with Toots. Great moment of music !
reminds me of their concert in Osaka, Japan with Jako´s Big Band in 1981-2 or so...the crowd was very polite and quiet until Toots came out, sat on a bar stool and blew the top off the place and the crowd went wild. The band picked up on the energy and he and Jako burned the place down... in the end, the audience stood for 20min and wouldnt let them leave...unreal, just masters of the magical...
Imagine the things Jaco could have done... Makes me so sad to even consider it for a moment. How fortunate we are that he graced us with performances like this. His mark on the jazz idiom is absolutely massive, and beyond comparison among jazz/fusion bassists. What an absolute visionary and genius.
@@TempSFugit-kk1dk Yes, brevity is the spirit of wit. Did he nail it with that comment. Definitely one of the best critical definitions of a phenomenon.
Simple and Complex at the same time...humble and compassionate ending...Absolutely Beautiful!!!...my replay button is stuck intentionally...My morning song from now on.
Toots has played with everyone from Louis Armstrong to Miles Davis to Chrysler commercials but when I saw him on stage in Holland some years ago he said the person he enjoyed playing with most was Jaco. He said Jaco had great love and respect and would call him ‘Papa’ This video certainly shows that special connection. Rest In Peace (BTW, check out a great new version of this song by Thierry Eliez - actually does it justice!)
Man.............what a talent! This composition and performance IS.... just beautifully heart wrenching...I don't know how else to say it.... And Toots knew it too just the equal value of talent of Toots on that harmonica is a sheer delight to watch and hear at the same time. No heavy effects ......just piano and Toots with maybe a little reverb!!!! Facial expressions are totally outrageous to witness! This should be ................THREE BILLION VIEWS OF A SECRET!
O Man, look at the sheer joy and delight in Jaco's face and generally disposition. Sadly missed and a true musician. This piece is amongst my favorite standards. Awesome all-round performance.
Why have I never come across this before? My day is wonderful all of a sudden. Two of the greatest musicians ever to walk the planet playing a classic tune - does it get any better?
One of the coolest things I've seen in a long time. Viva Toots! Still with us. I discovered this album in college when I used the practice room that a guitar major used. He had a whole bunch of albums in there. Said I could listen to them. This Jaco one was the first one I put on. Knocked me out. I'd sit in the dark and listen to this over and over. So cool to see Jaco playing piano real time. Wow! Thanks for posting this.
I always imagined Jaco only played bass, I saw a video of him playing a Yamaha DX7, and playing piano at the end of the bass lesson video produced by Jaco. But this gem I only found now... And the most interesting thing, even with all the restlessness I had playing bass and pushing the instrument to the limit, in this performance he respected the music as the basis for the dear Toots.
Jaco was a great talent, lost too soon to the ravages that befall those who become mired in the "escape" of drugs. He is missed. This particular piece is quite pleasant to listen to. May his rise and fall be a lesson to all those who have talent but are lured by other sirens.
I think he was also unfairly abandoned by the music business at a time when tastes in jazz changed - he had been the hottest new guy in jazz during the later 1970s, but after 1980 he found himself at odds with the business and their ideas.
Such a beautiful version of a truly classic song. To think that in only a few short years after this Jaco would be gone. If you ever get the chance to read of the bio books on Jaco please do. It's certainly an eye opener in the behind the scenes world of Jaco and the sad downward spiral he was on at the time of this recording. We lost a master when we lost Jaco but thankfully his legacy lives on in his music.
Saw both these guys perform in NYC in 1983! Incredible! This song still haunts me to this day in recognizing the genius of Jaco! No one will ever surpass this guys talent!
I totally agree with justJunya - loved it, never saw it previously. Thinking so much about Jaco Pastorius lately - watching, reading, listening - really something so special about him that touches so many, even all these years later. Precious soul, wished I known him!
I once saw Toots Theilmans completely by accident in 1978 at Ronnie Scotts in London. Completely blew me away. Sadly never got to see Jaco. RIP both of these pioneers.
I have no words... Meeting of two beautiful souls... You can feel their union through what is their life : music 🎵🎶 Didn't know Jaco was that good on playing piano, what a talented musician, sensitive artist, he was too good for this world! Thank you Mr Pastorius, your music will live forever... Miss you so much, love you still ❤️
this song can be recreated, but never redone like toots and jaco did in this video. this specific playing of this song is so errie to me, jacos declining mental health is seen so vividly here and hes still able to play beautifully. Im writing this on jacos day of passing and i can only imagine what kind of impact he could have if he was alive today
These two had a connection early on that never waivered, still very strong through the music in spite of Jaco's issues....lots of LOVE from these two amazing artists!! Amazing clip!
Two absolute geniuses. This is a flawless, brilliant performance with everything that Jaco brings as a composer and his musicianship. I met Jaco at the Beacon Theater on NYC Westside and it is a treasured memory even 30 years later.
At 2'50 Jaco starts playing the DX7 and it makes me think of what went through in their heads. So 1- Jaco stands and starts playing the DX; 2- He looks Toots with this "check out this sound" look; 3- Toots looks like "What are you doing man?"; 4- then Jaco is "I know man, it's sounding bad... sorry for that" and goes back to the piano; 5- Jaco leaves that behind and at 3'15 he is smiling again. Amo esses caras!
BACK FOR REFLECTION, INTROSPECTION & INSPIRATION: O Man, look at the sheer joy and delight in Jaco's face and generally disposition. Sadly missed and a true musician. This piece is amongst my favorite standards. Awesome all-round performance.
Two Masters !!!! I had the honor of seeing Jaco with Weather Report and Joni Mitchell....at the Playboy Jazz Festival...Mel Torme and Ella Fitzgerald...the greats...
just saw Jaco's documentary on Netflix and I was very impressed. I remember many many years ago listening to "WEATHER REPORT" on our very popular Jazz radio station in south florida (which is now defunct)and wondering who that awesome bass player was. Sorry I didn't pay more attention to them when he was living. Now with newly renewed interest must revisit.So sad how he died. Will be taking my family to the park to see his mural next weekend. Thank you for this video.
Jaco at this point in time was going through a difficult period in his life. His health was failing, family falling apart, but yet he could still play such angelic music.. I always have tears in my eyes watching this guy express himself in this video alongside with Toots.. Jaco Pastorius for ever🙏
Bro! This album was a masterpiece. Three Views was written for Ingrid, his Indonesian wife. John and Mary, his two children from a previous marraige. When I listen to Three views, i always get a bit sad. He was in love with a beautiful woman, which is supposed to be one of the happiest times in your life, but he was fighting these mental demons. Joe Zawinul, one of Jaco's biggest pseudo critics(because nobody could hate Jaco, he could frustrate you but nobody could hate Jaco) loved this song
I concur fully and surmised the same....it brings me to tears also, and see the pain, and pleasure.
The tormented lives of artists will never be fully characterized in words. They are simply too connected with all that presents to them as modern reality - the failings & fortunes - the cup runneth over. We will miss them terribly & also celebrate them in their glories, for that is the only good way to 'remember' their arts.
Jaco was a hero of mine growing up. I didn't know back then that I would end up a homeless drug addict eventually too. Luckily I pulled out of it. Viva Jaco
Forever unbelievably touching!
I actually was at this concert; I was seventeen years old.
Must have been a great feeling looking back at it.
Wow... Lucky you
I can't imagine the beauty of this live performance! Amazing!
What a blessing
You were blessed
I feel the same way about seeing Ravi Shankar once and Wayne Shorter a few times
One of my favorite chord progressions ever written.....the pure musical genius of Jaco, I miss him!
do you have a chart on it?
@@williambent9636 You can find a chart in "The New Real Book"
Yesss magnifique chords progression
It's a moving tune. Jaco is a Saint.
Yes, it's wonderfully expressive - wistfully nostalgic and hopeful at the same time, I think. I would have loved to see David Gilmour attempt a cover version - he has a similar gift for shaping tunes and solos that capture tender nostalgia and bittersweet melancholy.
We should really be grateful that this moment simply existed.
Sold! Ill watch it again...😂
Wow. Harmonica is a severely underrated and misunderstood instrument. Beautiful. And I never knew Jaco was such a skilled pianist. RIP Toots and Jaco.
Duane said slide guitar was nothing but harmonica.
Jaco was a skilled genius…
Not in the Jazz world (Toots)… actually also not in the pop world (Stevie)…. Actually not in the folk/country/blues world (too much to name 😅). Actually it’s not underrated lol. The term underrated is overrated
you're overrated
There’s no Musicians Institute for harmonica
Pastorius looks like a happy little boy genius, and toots looks like there is no place in the world he'd rather be than on stage with Jaco, playing this brilliant and moving tune. Seeing this great time for these two makes me even sadder about the tragedy of Jaco Pastorius.
Jaco’s first piece of advice to any budding musician was, get yourself a keyboard and learn your way around it. It’s the key to everything.
Toots plays guitar.
Jaco was so much more than a bass player, musically…and this is a shining example of his compositional ability, absolutely beautiful piece. The chord movements, the melody and overall breezy vibe….it’s a masterpiece of harmony. He is greatly missed.
The essence of great musicianship and human greatness, despite adversity. Miss you, Jaco.
The GREATEST 7 minutes of video on youtube...
Yes, this is priceless - both the music and the personal chemistry between them
Jesus, this is the most beautiful thing in the history of music. Jaco's face is wonderful to behold. Surely he saw the genius in others that could match his own.
+SPQR2K Yeah i agree, Miles Davis is god-like for that too
and how is it that we are the last two to comment on this miracle of music over two years ago?!
My favorite thing is the way they love one another. RIP dear friends
Such a poignant image--the old master and the young tragic genius whose days are numbered. Nothing could take this shining moment from them, not even Jaco's sad decline and passing just two years later.
What does that mean? Nothing could take this moment from them? Please explain. Thanks
@@OldRunt There's a great doc on Netflix.
@@OldRunt he explains it very well in the comment. Just re read it a few times and put in some minimal effort and I think you'll answer your own question.
@@MrOhmygoditsben Agree, Jaco at this time had been through a few really rough years and his big, warm smiles here are also about a sense of relief after so much pain. This is a beautifully poignant video.
Pure joy on Jaco's face. Heart breaking.
Thanks for the music Toots, say hi to Jaco!
I am sure they are jamming somewhere up there in heaven.
Look at this. Honeslty. This is what life is all about. Pure joy. The experience of playing music. Unbelievably beautiful
After all these years, this is still the best conversation between two musicians who love their music
"I like" is not enough, this is amazing. A jewel uploaded to youtube.
The most beautiful seven minutes on youtube.
I keep coming back to it. Magical.
so good it made me cry.
+dave l. underwood i think it takes an outside mind to see this. Jewish genius and a mad musician with a heroin problem.
2 musical madmen attacking Jazz. fuck that's outta my league :P
+Pete Mason But even my simple mind can feel their love.
+dave l. underwood at the end, me too. so I had to watch it again.
Me too... so much feelings in just one song.
Still trying hard not to cry😢
Jaco was smiling so big during this number! That's a truly wonderful musician to derive such great pleasure from performing is the sign of a truly dedicated musical talent. He was a great man.
I didn't know that Jaco could play the piano as well, and I really love the expressions on his face, as he is apparently really enjoying this duo with Toots. Great moment of music !
What a beautiful gem of a duet. I'm moved to tears. I didn't know Jaco could play piano, too. Both Jaco and Toots- complete Geniuses!
Jaco’s expressions are priceless in this. He lived it and breathed it.
reminds me of their concert in Osaka, Japan with Jako´s Big Band in 1981-2 or so...the crowd was very polite and quiet until Toots came out, sat on a bar stool and blew the top off the place and the crowd went wild. The band picked up on the energy and he and Jako burned the place down... in the end, the audience stood for 20min and wouldnt let them leave...unreal, just masters of the magical...
quando Toots tira un bacio a Jaco perchè gli da l'accordo che lui vuole in quel momento..per me è la cosa più dolce che abbia mai visto nella musica.
Just wonderful. This is what TH-cam brings the best.
Jaco...the most beautiful musician in my lifetime! Thanks Jaco for such wonderful music!
Look at Jaco's face at 3:12. Such a joyous, transcendent moment between two incredible musicians.
Nothing beats this type of performance!
😨 that look?
This is priceless. Both are in our hearts and in heaven. Their combined love for jazz is captured in this timeless performance!
Imagine the things Jaco could have done... Makes me so sad to even consider it for a moment. How fortunate we are that he graced us with performances like this. His mark on the jazz idiom is absolutely massive, and beyond comparison among jazz/fusion bassists. What an absolute visionary and genius.
Yet...look at the very things that he did do Wen....it is unbelievable what he left us....we got him man! Forever.....Till Eternity my friend!
Jaco wasn’t just a genius. He was our genius. I still get weepy and angry that he’s gone.
RIP Toots .. I will be crying for weeks. I so love your work. You were one of the most humble geniuses the music world ever had.
human race highlights
perfect
Oh so right!!
haha Amazing!
Perfect description my brother👊🏿
@@TempSFugit-kk1dk Yes, brevity is the spirit of wit. Did he nail it with that comment. Definitely one of the best critical definitions of a phenomenon.
The amount of love i feel for this video cannot be measured, two geniuses, Rest In Peace, I hope you’re having a hellofa jam wherever you are
Simple and Complex at the same time...humble and compassionate ending...Absolutely Beautiful!!!...my replay button is stuck intentionally...My morning song from now on.
Toots has played with everyone from Louis Armstrong to Miles Davis to Chrysler commercials but when I saw him on stage in Holland some years ago he said the person he enjoyed playing with most was Jaco. He said Jaco had great love and respect and would call him ‘Papa’ This video certainly shows that special connection. Rest In Peace
(BTW, check out a great new version of this song by Thierry Eliez - actually does it justice!)
Thanks Jaco, thanks Dad, thanks Toots, in consecutive order sadly passed. Music is the Best!
Jaco's death hit me harder than John Lennon's. And John's death devastated me.
this is still one of the most beautiful tunes ever written
Man.............what a talent! This composition and performance IS.... just beautifully heart wrenching...I don't know how else to say it.... And Toots knew it too just the equal value of talent of Toots on that harmonica is a sheer delight to watch and hear at the same time. No heavy effects ......just piano and Toots with maybe a little reverb!!!! Facial expressions are totally outrageous to witness! This should be ................THREE BILLION VIEWS OF A SECRET!
I miss Jaco not only as a bass player, but also as a composer, absulot a wonderful musician
Me too😢
Amen! Well said!
The incredible talent of John Francis Pastorius! A Musical masterpiece!
O Man, look at the sheer joy and delight in Jaco's face and generally disposition. Sadly missed and a true musician. This piece is amongst my favorite standards. Awesome all-round performance.
Omg this is pure love with Jaco & toots!
two of my favourite musicians
thanks jaco ! you'll live forever in our hearts
Why have I never come across this before? My day is wonderful all of a sudden. Two of the greatest musicians ever to walk the planet playing a classic tune - does it get any better?
Casio61 it doesn’t get better than this.... not even close.
that was totally in the moment for both of them.... thanks for sharing
too much. too much.
My heart is so full of sorrow seeing their smiling.
This video makes me amazed and depressed at the same time.
What a beautiful song and wonderful music playing.
Jaco and Toots had such a great musical chemistry
One of the coolest things I've seen in a long time. Viva Toots! Still with us.
I discovered this album in college when I used the practice room that a guitar major used. He had a whole bunch of albums in there. Said I could listen to them. This Jaco one was the first one I put on. Knocked me out. I'd sit in the dark and listen to this over and over. So cool to see Jaco playing piano real time. Wow! Thanks for posting this.
Toots Thileman and Jaco were dynamite on stage, so moving and encouraging master pieces
Fantastique......Rien à dire de plus.
Jaco dans toute sa splendeur. Et Toots au top. Quelle émotion dans ce titre et dans cette interprétation.
I always imagined Jaco only played bass, I saw a video of him playing a Yamaha DX7, and playing piano at the end of the bass lesson video produced by Jaco. But this gem I only found now... And the most interesting thing, even with all the restlessness I had playing bass and pushing the instrument to the limit, in this performance he respected the music as the basis for the dear Toots.
God, if only Jaco had been living somewhere other than Florida, USA he would likely still be with us contributing beauty through music.
yeah in the 70s there were some musical giants around I feel so old listening to them and so lonely not finding anything like that around any longer
One of my favourite Jaco compositons.
Jacob's music is so specific, I can spot it a mile away. My fav tune of his is John and Mary, what a tour that song is.
Isso é música que faz bem pra alma. Pastorius e Toots. Dupla dinâmica. Parabéns a quem publicou.
Jaco was a great talent, lost too soon to the ravages that befall those who become mired in the "escape" of drugs. He is missed. This particular piece is quite pleasant to listen to. May his rise and fall be a lesson to all those who have talent but are lured by other sirens.
Lesson for not to do anything extraordinary?
How should we really judge one another?
His legacy is complete!
+Quenten Jones Jaco was extreme bi-polar. He may have used drugs, but they weren't his downfall.
I think he was also unfairly abandoned by the music business at a time when tastes in jazz changed - he had been the hottest new guy in jazz during the later 1970s, but after 1980 he found himself at odds with the business and their ideas.
This should have 3 billion views!!...
miss you Jaco... wanna cry listening to this, it really touches your soul
Such a beautiful version of a truly classic song. To think that in only a few short years after this Jaco would be gone. If you ever get the chance to read of the bio books on Jaco please do. It's certainly an eye opener in the behind the scenes world of Jaco and the sad downward spiral he was on at the time of this recording. We lost a master when we lost Jaco but thankfully his legacy lives on in his music.
Saw both these guys perform in NYC in 1983! Incredible! This song still haunts me to this day in recognizing the genius of Jaco! No one will ever surpass this guys talent!
Genios únicos e irrepetibles de los que, al menos, tenemos videos y audios de su amorosa música que te estruja y exprime el corazón de emoción.
This is purely angelic. Great upload.
Sorrow brings tears but so does joy, what a touching piece of beauty, it can only come from God.
Total joy that this film exists. 7:20 of pure heaven.
I totally agree with justJunya - loved it, never saw it previously. Thinking so much about Jaco Pastorius lately - watching, reading, listening - really something so special about him that touches so many, even all these years later. Precious soul, wished I known him!
Incredible, great connection between Jaco and Toots. Left me teary-eyed
I once saw Toots Theilmans completely by accident in 1978 at Ronnie Scotts in London. Completely blew me away. Sadly never got to see Jaco. RIP both of these pioneers.
I have no words... Meeting of two beautiful souls... You can feel their union through what is their life : music 🎵🎶
Didn't know Jaco was that good on playing piano, what a talented musician, sensitive artist, he was too good for this world! Thank you Mr Pastorius, your music will live forever...
Miss you so much, love you still ❤️
Two one of a kind musicians.
¡God bless you Jaco! Thanks for your feelings and thanks for your songs. Thanks to Toots too
My favorite song by the great Jaco and Toots was such a master!
thank you very much... my soul can cry now... with musical joy!!!!!!!!
this song can be recreated, but never redone like toots and jaco did in this video. this specific playing of this song is so errie to me, jacos declining mental health is seen so vividly here and hes still able to play beautifully. Im writing this on jacos day of passing and i can only imagine what kind of impact he could have if he was alive today
who knew what an awesome piano player Jaco was...........wow ....RIP
These two had a connection early on that never waivered, still very strong through the music in spite of Jaco's issues....lots of LOVE from these two amazing artists!! Amazing clip!
Two absolute geniuses. This is a flawless, brilliant performance with everything that Jaco brings as a composer and his musicianship. I met Jaco at the Beacon Theater on NYC Westside and it is a treasured memory even 30 years later.
J'ai pas les mots tellement c'est magnifique ❤
Toots and Jaco. Pure genius
so much love in jaco's eyes, gut, and music. toots gets it...
At 2'50 Jaco starts playing the DX7 and it makes me think of what went through in their heads. So 1- Jaco stands and starts playing the DX; 2- He looks Toots with this "check out this sound" look; 3- Toots looks like "What are you doing man?"; 4- then Jaco is "I know man, it's sounding bad... sorry for that" and goes back to the piano; 5- Jaco leaves that behind and at 3'15 he is smiling again. Amo esses caras!
Actually Toots forgets, for a moment, the "special" of the tune that Jaco starts playing on the keyboard.
Yeah, Toots plays the wrong part, and I have a feeling the synth wasn’t turned on in the monitors. They aren’t really back together again until 3’30.
This is fantastic. Thank you guys....we shall never forget you....................never
one of the most beautiful shows I ever hear. QEPD Jaco...
BACK FOR REFLECTION, INTROSPECTION & INSPIRATION: O Man, look at the sheer joy and delight in Jaco's face and generally disposition. Sadly missed and a true musician. This piece is amongst my favorite standards. Awesome all-round performance.
Jaco & Toots... Two of the biggest immortal Stars of Jazz...!!!! Great performance...
fabuleux
merci les mecs pour cette vidéo ...agréable rencontre ,bon moment musical!
Un regalo para el alma. Gracias Jaco y Toots
OMG Thank you for this great art, both Jaco and Toots
The melody of this song is haunting that I keep humming it out of the blue
yes-- perhaps the most beautiful thing in the history of played music. / another heaven - RIP both ..
It really Made me cry, Jaco on the piano surprised me anda Toots playing the best of him
This was indeed poinant. Toots a very talented harmonica player and Jaco with one of his greatest compositions ever!
Two Masters !!!!
I had the honor of seeing Jaco with Weather Report and Joni Mitchell....at the Playboy Jazz Festival...Mel Torme and Ella Fitzgerald...the greats...
The Ancienne Belgique... thanks for so many amazing times, we will see each other again soon!
just saw Jaco's documentary on Netflix and I was very impressed. I remember many many years ago listening to "WEATHER REPORT" on our very popular Jazz radio station in south florida (which is now defunct)and wondering who that awesome bass player was. Sorry I didn't pay more attention to them when he was living. Now with newly renewed interest must revisit.So sad how he died. Will be taking my family to the park to see his mural next weekend. Thank you for this video.
+Pan Theism no. 1 was love 94 FM and the other public radio wtmi