Comedies and Horrors in Ayurveda Texts | The Holistic Pseudoscience | Pale Blue Thoughts
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- What has the ancient sages said about the human anatomy and embryology in the sacred texts of Ayurveda? This video unravels the comedies and horrors that are hidden within the Caraka and Susrutha Samhitas. This is one video that would open your eyes to the pseudoscientific principles of this alternate medicine treatment.
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As an ayurvedic graduate, I completely agree about the facts that you have stated. It is unfortunate that some of these are still taught in colleges.
However, I would like to question your intent of this video! Is it just to make fun of something? As a lot of people have already mentioned in the comments, the video would reach more people and they would be accepting of these facts if presented in a proper way.
And as a person who uses "scientific" with every breath of yours, lets take a moment and use simple common sense here. Do you really think that your approach to know the truth or share it, is actually helpful? If your intent is to just make some troll videos like these and gain some subscribers, well good luck.
@anupkrishnas- Thank you for acknoledging that the said passages exist. My intention was not to ridicule or make it into a troll video. I have considered your request and I have removed the troll memes completely. Hope that would suffice. I am sorry if it hurt you in anyway and i hope I have made amends by removing the memes. Thanks and do checkout my other videos on the channel. They do not have the memes 😊Appreciate your comment. Pinned it ! ❤️
People who still study such books should run away from their colleges and file a case against the authorities that decide the syllabus. They get admission after clearing NEET if I'm not wrong. Barking up the wrong tree is meaning less.
@@PaleBlueThoughts Really appreciate it. Keep up with the noble cause 👍
Its a huge labour to read ayurveda books.
Can't believe this is still taught. Why no one is exposing it?
Because it's not taught
@@mr.chindo8570 it's taught.. But modern anatomy is given more preference by bams students ... They read bdc chaurasia anatomy ...
And many of it is just forced appropriation..
@mr.chindo8570 - See the pinned comment. It is still taught. sorry to burst your bubble !
@i2keepitrealInreseach - Thank you for your comments and support ! ❤️❤️
Great information. I bet many common people who use Ayurveda as medicine do not know this information.
Kudos 👏👏👏👏
@SG-Rao - They dont ! they think its a whole bunch of medicines made from plants. exactly the reason why i wanted to let people know what is really in these books ! Thanks ❤️
I am so mad at myself I didn't run into your channel until now, yes definitely subscribing, sharing, and I will think about commenting ;-)
Welcome aboard! Thanks for your appreciation. Do checkout the older videos and i would love to hear your feedback. Thanks ❤️❤️
Excellent Information. Please reduce the BGM so that your voice becomes better audible.
@go4achus - Thanks a lot. Feedback taken. Will reduce the BGM volume from the next one. Appreciate your feedback.❤️
Thanks for enlighten us of our glorious past knowledge . Now We will again vishwguru again
@pachauri0 - Thanks for your comment. If you are new to the channel, please see the older videos and let me know your feedback ! Thanks ❤️
Bullock carts were invented in ancient India . That doesn't make it better than engineered vehicle. Its important to acknowledge science and further contribute towards it.
He is talking about stuff that is still being taught today as a medical system in India. All these are from ayurveda textbooks taught today.
Ayurved needs research and correction but it isn't totally wrong just like there is correction in modern science too
When most of India is caught up in unscientific zeal n magical thinking, what can one expect ? 😥
Though the content is on point, I wud like you to put your points without having to make it a meme like material. That will be a better video and makes u look more matured .
@hahahahahahahahaahaha - My intention was not to ridicule or make it into a troll video. I have considered your request and I have removed the troll memes completely. Hope that would suffice. I am sorry if it hurt you in anyway and i hope I have made amends by removing the memes.Thank you for your feedback ❤️❤️❤️
As an enthusiast few thoughts are always floating in my mind hope you answer these
1. When ever I attend a funeral and see a dead person, first thought which I get is "Cadaver is also having all anatomical parts like us but why they stopped at once".
--------------If life is the factor demarking living and dead, where it is residing in the body? What is the size, shape and form of life?
--------------what is happening to life after death?
------------- As of now, why there is no proper scientific theory which can prove life and makes humans immortal?
2. Why can't all the siblings of same mother and father are not identical in Intelligence, Memory, Creativity? Though they came out of same chromosomes what is the differentiating factor?
3. As emotions are implicated to limbic system of brain why don't all humans are not having common balanced emotions?
-------------Though anatomically part is same for everyone, which is the factor differentiating physiological functioning with respect to emotions?
4. Though all humans are having 23 pairs of chromosomes,
-------------Why each of us are unique? (As I mentioned earlier siblings of same mother and father)
-------------What is the factor creating uniqueness?
So what you want to say is some mythical creatures is doing all of these ??
Science hasn't every answer but it is the most logical way to find one !
No mythical creatures is going to tell you about those things!
@@yuviiika_ Why "Science hasn't every answer" ?
Pick up any biology book and it literally has answers to all your questions lmao. Imagine being lazy and thinking this is all magic.
I had completed reading not only biology books dear but also "BD Chaurasia to Bailey love, Guyton and Hall to Davidsons principles and practice of Medicine"......nowhere I found answer......If u get any references please share ☺@@vacc1001
Go study about genetics; you will find answers to your questions number 2 and 4. In humans, chromosomes come in pairs, totaling 23 pairs. One pair is responsible for determining sex, while the other 22 pairs, known as autosomes, carry the majority of an individual's genetic information unrelated to sex determination. The human genome contains approximately 3 billion base pairs. That's why every human being is different and unique. It's no longer a myth because hardworking individuals have researched it. However, it seems you're reluctant to even search on Google.
As for your question number 3, the difference arises due to distinct neuron patterns. Consider two humans having the same organ, like the brain, for instance. However, the neuron patterns in both brains differ due to different life experiences.
Now, for your first question: Have you ever seen anything in this world or universe that existed for eternity? Everything has a time period (an expiry date) - trees, animals, mountains, planets, and even the Sun/Stars. So, why do humans consider themselves special? If there's anything that could potentially make humans immortal, it would be through science and not Ayurveda.
This is more like error-veda..
@joethomas909 - Ofcourse ! Wait till i release my next video in the series and you will see why Ayurveda is the science of death too !
He is just a phobe
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If at all you are looking into my comment
I strongly feel there is a need to look into the reason why all the counts in ancient texts are more than the present one.
I strongly feel there needs a research on these things.
PS: Supporter of truth❤
@thevideos2582 - you bet I am. The reason is that they didnt know the ABCs of anatomy back them - nor did they have the methods and hyet they wriote all this incorrect information. The research is happening these days but one cannot go back a 2000 years and find out why thry got it wrong.
@@PaleBlueThoughts Scientific knowledge is based on evolution, but not blind beliefs. So let's not be Andh Bhakts of & come to a conclusion that all those written then were wrong, instead we can hold our beliefs based on current research and change our beliefs as and when the new discoveries are made & let the ancient Knowledge prevail which can serve as either a history of evolution of this knowledge or could trigger us in future research by its claims.
PS: Please don't take the writings in those ancient medical texts as Religion
The evolution is bound to happen and 500 years down the line the knowledge what you are providing might be far away from the truth
PS: Current medical system is fraudulent in many ways, I recently had a tooth problem which is a minor one according to the Doctor, but they all together removed the tooth instead of treatment, but ancient practices believed and were successful in some cases in this regard. Mulling is needed
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Anyways thanks for the reply, Always the supporter of truth ❤️
@@thevideos2582 nope ancient practices were not successful in this regard... Mention your was exact tooth problem...
@@i2keepitrealInreseach Ok, you have to provide references and reasons (Scientific) for that being not successful
Thanks in advance
@@thevideos2582 Evidences - modern doctors in surgical practice never use old methods... Physicians use modern science to diagnose diseases and treat them..
Books - medicine depends on basic sciences and none of the science textbooks mentions anything from Ayurveda...
This proves it's not a science... Proving by contradiction...
"Ayurveda professor Kishor Patwardhan -
teacher of Ayurveda physiology, and for the past twenty years or so, I have harbored a belief that advances in contemporary sciences must be used to interpret descriptions documented in ancient Ayurveda texts. This has been a central theme of most of my past writings.
teacher of Ayurveda physiology, and for the past twenty years or so, I have harboured a belief that advances in contemporary sciences must be used to interpret descriptions documented in ancient Ayurveda texts. This has been a central theme of most of my past writings.
I even authored a book titled Human Physiology in Ayurveda, which became quite popular among our students as it saw many reprint editions. The book discusses how Ayurveda physiology and current physiology are not inherently distinct and how they can be merged effortlessly.
This is a tradition that has kept Ayurveda vibrant and relevant, I always thought. I viewed all my writings as commentaries on ancient scriptures. I also felt that it was my duty to be loyal to my subject and to the acclaimed scholars in whose footsteps I was following.
What I did not realise was that my efforts at this stage were directed at seeking validation of what I was supposed to teach, which was otherwise mostly obsolete material. This urge for validation was possibly rooted in the frustration that I had developed when this subject was taught to me during my graduate studies.
About thirty years ago, I had observed and even ridiculed the primitive and obsolete nature of physiology contained in our ancient textbooks. I wanted my students not to perceive the subject the same way as I had, and wanted them to read current physiology more seriously. Hence, I made every effort to legitimise ancient literature using a strategy of “strained interpretation” (drawing unintended but convenient meanings of certain words and phrases using cherry-picked references from commentaries) - which I called “rationalisation” - to make it sound modern and relevant. A few of my teachers who followed this strategy had had a profound influence on me as they made it possible for us to connect very well with the subject.
However, COVID-19-related restrictions offered me a chance to read a few interesting articles and books, and sufficient time to introspect on certain points, which probably wouldn’t have occurred to me otherwise. This reading and introspection changed my perspectives so dramatically that I decided to write about it knowing very well that this might put my entire career at risk. But the truth must be told - and the earlier the better.
Below, I trace how I changed my perspectives on the subject. The books and articles that have had immense influence on my new thinking have been listed in the reference section. I try analysing my own faults in my past writings and viewing these mistakes through the falsifiability principle.
Here, I discuss why my approach was wrong by taking the example of shukra (semen). This was the most disturbing concept that I had to deal with during my graduate studies. Though testicles have been identified as the roots of the channels that carry shukra, Ayurveda proposes the formation of the same in majja (bone marrow), for whatever reason. Ancient scholars also felt that shukra existed in the entire body.
Since I found it difficult to make it sound scientific, I took some references from commentaries and argued that the term “majja” need not exclusively denote bone marrow, but could stand for all tissues that filled bony cavities. One reference from a commentary on Sushruta Samhita referring to the brain as “majja present in the cranial cavity” offered relief. Hence, majja became two substances to me - brain and bone marrow.
I argued that translating terms such as majja needed to be done more cautiously as this could restrict the original broader meaning.
Then, I took another reference from a commentary stating that two types of shukra may be identified - one indicative of semen and the other indicative of a substance that was present in the entire body.
my teachers had also suggested this interpretation, I found it convincing. Thus, I thought, we had solved the problem by bringing in clarity.
While I knew that the existence of hormones had only been discovered in the recent past, it did not matter to me as my enthusiasm to prove ancient Ayurveda literature relevant was boundless. On the basis of my postgraduate training, I argued that such interpretations were valid. Though the ancient scholars did not know what hormones were, the concepts were amenable to re-interpretation.
If such an interpretation could reduce cognitive dissonance (the holding of conflicting beliefs simultaneously) among our students, I thought, “why not?” Though I never suggested that the ancient scholars knew it all, I certainly made their writings sound relevant. “This is what all commentators have done” was my justification."
😂😂🤣🤣🤧 they have f***d the entire medical science.
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Until you get an Acutal Ayurveda Specialist (Not the TV ones) and discuss with them, this is just single perspective rant and claim to your fame.
@avinaashashastry3910 - They wont come. They cant face the truth. yeah it could be my perspective but I am just showing plainly what is written in the texts. You can form your perspective based on what you see and read. What is your take?
@@PaleBlueThoughts Saying they won't come is just a reason to hide behind.
@@avinaashashastry3910 Ayurveda specialists are not needed because it's not a science... And it's very easy to go through Bams textbooks.. Any rational person will discard these things..
None of the Ayurveda chaps can answer my questions.. They don't even understand basic science...
@avinaashashastry3910 - please see the debate betwen the LiverDoc and Vaidya Omkar which is present on this channel and you will realise why it is a waste of time calling them for a debate.
@@PaleBlueThoughts Will do. Thanks 👍
As someone who acknowledged the contribution of western medicine and was looking forward to points raised in this video, this is more comic than sense, what you eaid is your interpretation, would have made more sense if you would have brought an expert from the field to debate, its just like arguing for homeopathy
So if someone says flat earth society is fake... It makes no sense and we need to bring an expert from that society... Amazing...
Experts from Ayurveda make mumbo-jumbo interpretations... It's all forced appropriation...
They will play word games and try to show modern science in ancient books.. Amazing. Right?...
You can just google "confession of an Ayurvedic doctor".. You will find an article where a BAMS professor from Bhu says it's all rubbish..
@@i2keepitrealInreseach you are just as smart as your logic, one is universally accepted fact, the other is a comment on an established discipline
@@carlos5417 no need to get personal here mate... As for my smartness... You are nowhere near me...
No Ayurveda isn't a well-established discipline... It's not recognized by science..
You sound exactly as I described.. You need an expert from a pseudoscience field to make sense of anything...
Lol says a lot about how logical you are...
@@i2keepitrealInreseach with that level of ego, you are not even worth argument, you failed to realise that I am not even picking side, all I vouched for was a proper debate, as for discipline, that's where you fail miserably because you just used your logic, in India ayurveda is a discipline which is studied, and the person in video picked specific scenarios which modern science doesn't agree with, however there is a lot to ayurveda, also, in Asian cultures there are a lot of things that modern science is still catching up to, examples are yoga and pranayama, so why not stop spending time arguing with strangers on the internet and get back to either inform yourself properly or go back to do whatever you were doing, I didn't mean to get personal mate....and you could have kept your sarcasm at bay! I was just presenting a point of view.
Such a horrible disgusting things still taught and practicing in India. And many people still proud on this rediculus disgusting things. Thanku sir for your tremendous eye opening knowledgeable vedio once again. Salute you sir for your hardwork to debunking pseudosciences
Horrible and disgusting? First of all it's not taught to believe that 360 are there... They are taught in way that they considered even cartilage as bones
@@mr.chindo8570 first of all it is taught and is mentioned in the syllabus of many institutions and you can find bams books ... Biochem is absent ... Would you disagree with even this?
Is all this still taught now. Are you sure
@U.ti Khopdi - Does that matter ? Anyways the textbooks that I have used are from Ayurveda colleges websites. And how can you renounce the ancient wisdom of sages ? They are unchangeable.
@@PaleBlueThoughtsvery bhakt like answer, more like a troll than a genuine response, expected better from an educated person.
@@PaleBlueThoughtswhat kind of stupid answer was that...
@@noone-zl2di what answers do you desire?
@@mr.chindo8570 the one which you don't like 😂
It's easy to make prove something wrong later on after all the research and discoveries.But in the start it might have made sense. Also this video could have been made with serious tempo, without the memes. I'm not against this video, but how it's made
@namanverma6467 - My intention was not to ridicule or make it into a troll video. I have considered your request and I have removed the troll memes completely. Hope that would suffice. I am sorry if it hurt you in anyway and i hope I have made amends by removing the memes.Thank you for your feedback ❤️❤️❤️
@@PaleBlueThoughtsnice
If number wise you count then actually there are 8 vessels right??
1) Sup Vena cava
2) Inf Vena cava
3) Aorta
4) Pul Artery
5) 4 - pulmonary veins
@pradeei.g7478 - 8 is still long way away from 24. and what about rasa and ojas flowing through the heart?
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It is in very bad taste what you are doing
I do agree that Ayurveda is not perfect science and it may not be so relevant in modern times .
There are different scientific hypothesis even today that is because we don't ve instruments to measure/prove them yet. That is why they are called hypothesis. In the future when better technologies evolve these hypothesis might get disproved or may be ridiculed.
Similarly what those sages said were hypothesis of those times. If you expect them to know the exact science during their period, then there is no bigger fool than you.
I do agree that not all things work in Ayurveda and certain things need to be scrutinized.
Nevertheless, some forms of treatment do work in Ayurveda. Believe you me, I am telling this as an Allopathic doctor with fairly good clinical experience.
By the way so many of those things that you mentioned are not entirely true.
For Ex - skin is has 3 layers and some layers in turn has many layers. So to say skin has only 3 layers is not that qualified statement.
None of the things in Ayurveda works...
There aren't different scientific methods.. It's just one.. Your statement about different hypotheses shows you think we have different scientific methods. Lol
Isn't it obvious we have so many hypotheses because we have many branches of science? ..
Plus hypotheses are not what science is... You have a hypothesis for newer things.. You have well-established theories and laws in science..
Yes, the hypothesis might be wrong.. And this is what people in the scientific community want... It's just the tip of the iceberg... You need experimentation,
Evidence, replication research.. A rigorous was to qualify something as theory... The theory is the highest title given in science..
Those sages never said about the hypotheses.. A hypothesis is purely in the scientific method.. Scientific method didn't exist in ancient times...
None is telling them to know the exact science of that period.. IDK what you mean by "exact science"... Rather ayurveda as now is outdated and falls in the category of pseudoscience..
Some forms of treatment work in Ayurveda is because of trial and error and observable results... As you accepted they didn't know the "exact science" ... So, the positive results shown in Ayurveda don't qualify for objective criteria in drug testing... Could be they worked for some and since the population was small in the past.. No way to know if we can say the same for all... The sample size was small... Nor did they have any testing methods...
Upon going through the drug testing ayurveda medicines contained toxic metals... The old hags believed metals purified something... Also, since we are heading towards precision-based medicine... We have to isolate compounds and target specific say receptors or enzymes... Lots of work and Ayurveda has no role here... It's all science..
I doubt you are even an MBBS doctor...
The skin has 3 main layers wsub-layersyers it's 8.. What's wong ?
@i2keepitrealInreseach
You yourself said that skin has only 3 layers and what Shushruta said is wrong....he might be wrong in classifying but he is right in overall number.
You yourself said that heart has only 5 vessles. If you count the number then it is 8 as mentioned by Charaka (your words not mine).
FYI I ve not read any of those scriptures, I ve only read modern medicine.
In modern medicine text books too in history of medicine Charaka and Shusruta find mention.
@@pradeei.g7478 I doubt if are even from medicine.. Let alone a doctor..
Yes, what's the big deal with gross anatomy?.. It's an easily observable thing...
But goes wrong when specifying the function...
Yes, past methods are mentioned... So? It's history and now it's useless... It's just to educate that knowledge evolves... We don't use Rutherford or Bohr's atomic model in physics... It's just to educate students...
@@pradeei.g7478 modern medicine textbooks.. Harrison?
If this is what gives you your ratings...go for it...even the white man who colonized us has respect for this tradition...the cronies of our colonial past are still in our midst ...sadly.
@s.priyamanohar4671 - your fallacy is ad hominem 😉
Feel so sorry for this sponsored fool...smh
@siddheshsubramanian1331 - Please provide evidence 😊😉
Reason?
@@PaleBlueThoughts exactly
Sponsored fool.is so.appropriate😂...
@@siddheshsubramanian1331 do have any reason to state why Ayurveda works and is scientific? Why do you think different methods should exist other than science?
Ok so this means that Ayurveda text which were written thousands of years ago were not accurate😂 well that's totally unexpected. So what's your point. The very fact that thousands of years ago they had this kind of knowledge itself is an achievement. It's like complaining a 3-year-old can only solve a few questions of algebra but not all of them🤣🤣😂😂without acknowledging that for him/her this itself is an achievement.
Sooo ayurveda is outdated and we shouldn't be using it anymore, riiiight . 🤌
Exactly, this guy gets sadistic satisfaction ridiculing ancient knowledge which was Millennium ahead at that time then rest of the world.
Never understood whats the point here he is trying to make? This isnt religious texts which aren't meant to change or open to inputs.
@@bullseye6969 when ancient ideas like start dictation people's life today, it's important to criticize and point out it's problems rather thaan trying to defend it because 'culture'
I too agree with your opinion on this video. Medicine was as inaccurate as it can be just 100 years ago and is as bad as these old texts. For ex, heart attacks in women are very different from men in all aspects. But doctors still use male anatomy.
@@offensivebeefroast5407 show me where did you found an ounce of constructive criticism here?
Besides this guy treats these ancient texts as be all end all.
Where its written that these texts are absolute truth and unchangeable?
We all do realise that these texts are 5000 years old right? In that sense they sure would have some flaws, so will ours if you observe todays texts 5000 years later.
But we should not totally reject the facts that ancient Indian texts were way aheads of its time then just blatantly rejecting it.
Asking us to contact the original author when you're quoting them. Very wrong. You should make sure, right? Otherwise it's just spreading of misinformation.
@avinaashashastry3910 - why should I? I am not the one claiming that i am misquoting.
i'm sorry for the hate comments cause i maybe the cause lol pls dont stop man.... stay strong..
@Isaac Abraham - Happy if you are the cause 😁 Does it look as if I care for the hate comments ? I wish there were many more who would share the videos.
Chutiye do your research first
@mr.chindo8570 - No time for trolls my friend. keep your abuses to yourself !
While I understand your criticism, expressing your point without using memes might be more effective. People may be close-minded and less receptive to your actual message when their culture is ridiculed.
except he is of the culture and therefore, is uniquely qualified to expose nonsense
@bhargavsangani2901 - My intention was not to ridicule or make it into a troll video. I have considered your request and I have removed the troll memes completely. Hope that would suffice. I am sorry if it hurt you in anyway and i hope I have made amends by removing the memes.Thank you for your feedback ❤️❤️❤️
@@PaleBlueThoughts Cool. Looking forward to more such content in rational and critical thinking space.
Need to be careful with references for Sanskrit translation. Most of the social problems are due to scriptures translated by foreigners with no real understanding of Sanskrit.
I have seen words change meaning very frequently to suit
@sumitatmcoe - Please note that I have quoted my sources and also displayed the books from which the material has been taken. They are not western translators but Indian experts.
This is what is taught in textbooks in ayurveda colleges today. Why would they teach fake stuff?
Very narrow minded perspective
Why? Can you give some points ..
What is your claim to fame buddy
Your reply is not coherent ...
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