I am writing this as someone who grew up non vegetarian but gave up all non veg food few years back as personal choice having never been 100% comfortable with it. The reason that utensils are kept separate COULD be that non vegetarian food developed bacteria very quickly - most cases of food poisoning involve non veg. - salmonella etc. In the past when refrigeration was not possible the situation must have been worse. So maybe the 2 are kept separately to avoid spread of bacteria.
have never eaten flesh in my life. barely ate eggs but I fully agree with the views of you guys. Vaishnavism has hijacked the multi-faceted essence of teachings and character of bhagvan Krishna and has fit it into a very narrow, unidimensional ideology which is heavily influenced by budhhism and jainism while deriding our own sanatan shakhas of shaktism and early vedism.
It's clearly written in our literature kings r ,allowed to hunting ....I think it improved their fighting skill ....but Brahmin not allowed to hunt because their work is teaching and research...all rules related to their nature of work ....its mentioned one's Dharma
I have absolutely no issue with Himsha in self defence, defence of family, friends, culture and country, and I wish Hindu's would understand Lord Krishna's simple message through their thick skulls as our ancestors understood it well enough to protect Bharat and Sanatani's for centuries. I do draw the line on Himsha on animals, there is no need unless again it is for self defence where running or outwitting is simply not an option. When I say animals I'm not referring to the those who are all too happy to call 'sar tun se juda' variety.
@@ankansenapati3600 I stated my position, hopefully clearly. Which part of it did you not understand that you felt the need to conflate it with RAM BHUGWAN's position? Since you seem to have an issue with RAM BHUGWAN's act I suggest you take it up with him if you ever reach moksha.
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1:12:25 Ha ha Kushal hi hai Mahagyani I respect Ami ma'am even she is not getting triggered even after authoring books on shastras and isn't over confident about her knowledge
I am glad that even though i am a vegetarian n married to non vegetarian family- my husband n in laws understand my emotions n keep separate utensils for preparing d non veg food
As far as meat eating is concerned, it should be left to the personal choice of a person. Don't promote it but don't discourage it either. As a side note, the Vedas also do not prohibit eating meat. In fact, it does not prohibit eating beef too. All it does is to discourage eating miltch cows (cows that give milk).
@@Gautama3699He is not lying. He is expressing the Shakta and Shaiva opinion about the Vedas which is also called the Left Hand Path or Vama Marga. You are expressing the Vaishnava opinion about the Vedas.
@@Gautama3699Any food item offered to God in the proper manner becomes Sattvik. This is the Shakta and Shaiva opinion. That is why Pashu Bali is important Shakta and Shaiva ritual.
@@Gautama3699 Have you read the vedas? If not, read it. FYI, Great Rishis like Yajnavalkya who wrote Upanishads and mentions in Shatapatha Brahamana (of which he is the author) that eating cow and bull flesh should be avoided because they support everything here on earth, also states in Shatapatha Brahamana itself that " nevertheless, he eats the meat of both cow and bull, as long as it’s tender". Go figure.
@@jidrit999 Who says? At best, it is YOUR conjecture. If you believe it, follow it. Don't try to give false wisdom to others. When people like you make such baseless points i'm compelled to point out that Swami Vivekananda was also a non vegetarian. What's more, he smoked too. Spiritualism is all about purification of your soul (whatever that is). It's not about what you eat or drink. Karma will be there on the spiritual path. Any act, done without any "intent" to harm others is good karma ... including if he eats meat provided the animal is not killed by him. That is my opinion. Taken to extreme (even more than Jains do) even ploughing a field kills living organisms. Should one stop consuming vegetables too? Everyone has a right to draw the line where he / she deems fit and it has nothing to do with spiritualism. What i agree with is that killing someone yourself, especially innocent animals as hunters do, is probably a bigger sin than eating meat. But if one kills someone to sustain himself, is that also a sin? That is an open question.
I am trying to find complete vyasa bharata with translations (Kannada or english). Can't seem to find anything that can be trusted online. Can mam suggest such a work?
Its obvious sri ram was a kshatriya and killed many monsters rakshasa he definitely ought to eat meat , even vishwamitra ate meat because he was a warrior Brahmins,
Vidur niti: Character building principles. Bheeshma Niti: Administration guidelines or principles for a ruler or leader. Where there are differences are not in the foundation of their principles of Morality but due to the audience it is meant for and the context in which it is said.
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At 56:50, you provide the argument why the translation of meat would be more appropriate, However, I would argue this dialogue by Hanuman ji further reinforces, that fruits would be better translation. Here, there's a clear attempt to emphasize Sri Ram's pain and agony and show how non-caring he has got about himself. Don't you think giving up fruits Which would have been his major diet better indicator of it, as opposed to giving up meat which is something most of us can do anyways ( hence something not much severe) Hopefully you will reply.
You ate taking it too another extreme(may be your veg bias). If Ram was not even taking fruits then what was he taking. Only Rice. Kshtriya body requires energy too. Already protein(as meat) is out as per your bias. So only Rice remains.
@@sumitdutta7043 Taking extreme is precisely the point, Sri Ram in his pain, simply could have minimised the intake of any sort of food as he didn't care about himself. I am sure, a lot of people have taken actions like these during certain phases of their lives. This sacrifice actually perfectly ties with the context of not sleeping properly, hallucinating about Mata Sita. The precise point here, is Sri Ram didn't lead a healthy life after getting separated from Mata Sita.
@@sumitdutta7043 5:36:41 Ismein saaf aaya hai ki wolog mansh aur madira ka sewan nhi krte the.(same iit wale site par) 2:27:15 Sita ji jab ram ji ko vanvash jane ko covince kr rhi thi tab wo saaf bolti hain ki aisa mat samajhiyega ki hm fruits aur roots par apna jivan nhi bita sakte. 2:50:44 yhan par ram ji bolte hain wo fruit aur roots par apna jivan bitatein hain. Mansh ka translation(shabdkosh english hindi dictionary) fruit ka guda wala aang bhi diya hai
@@ANKITKUMAR-kc2zw see i have watched Valmiki Râmâyana video playlist from the channel Indian Spiritual Heritage where a monk name Swami Samarpananda gave lectures on Valmiki Râmâyana, so I find him more rational. The translations by Bibekdebroy also suggests non-veg. GitaPress has pre veg bias notions (north indian brahmins and baniyas generally have)
@@sumitdutta7043 The counter reference I gave you (5-36-41)(2-27-15)(2-50-44) have same translation at 1. IIT kanpur(prof p Gervani, k kamala(sanskrit professor), sri v v subba rao 2.Gita press 3. Valmiki ramayan (dot)net ( sri kmk murthy) Non ambiguous vs ambigious. Shlokas--> Show me alternate translation to verse I gave to you as I can show you alternate translation to pro non veg shlokas. But the shlokas I gave are non ambiguous. Almost everyone has translated it same. I respect gurus but they are not infallable especially when I gave you 3 verses from 3 sources which says he decided to eat fruit and roots. Marna- can easily be translated to slapping playfully Mansm- as pulp of fruit(according to dictionary).
Kushal, no point in losing your 'santulan' because some ignoramuses pose a question. Some want to poke holes in RAma's character and should be ignored summarily as they havent read and or understood anything in the texts. but some may genuinely misguided or misunderstanding it. See that as an opportunity to educate them and others like them. Sri Rama would not be as outraged as you are :) Rightfully, you have directed them to some good books. Ami handled it beautifully with knowledge, honesty and balance.
One of the fundamental qualities of our sanatan dharm is that your life as a human being should be least destructive to your fellow creatures and environment, and if you take this to any extreme you will harm yourself or others which doesn't ailgn with our principles of sanatan dharm. Even if you are vegetarian please go save all the insects killed in the process of farming please and then only speak. And if you save all of them then you will start fasting for life (short life) and harm a creature that you are, how are you suppose to avoid being a hinsak? People who eat meat, should also consider present seniors of our society and make there decision ailgned with sanatan dharm principles (If they follow or would like to follow Sanatan dharms principles). You are free to choose and whatever you choose is your accountability, and same goes for vegetarians. Most of the people are not educated in our shatras and have not understood the essence of the principles, hence any random person talking about anything about shastras will only lead common men, women and others only confused. The least standard for discussing on these topics is formal education of sanatan dharm, but as we know its just not there and scientific temperament and having an idea that there is something like "scientific temperament" exists is non existent, forget about understanding darshans of sanatan dharms and discussions on them. All those who truly want to be dharm Kshatriyas must fight against all the odds for creating a window of opportunity for future generations just like our ancestors have being doing for us in past, its our time to understand the Shastra and do our dharm towards our rajya while aligned with the core principles of our Santan dharm. Om namah shivaya 🙏
My mom too doesn't eats meat.... We always had to keep our non veg utensils separate and we are not allowed to cook non-veg in mommy's kitchen. Back at home Papa n us 2 sisters always had too cook separately in the backyard whenever we have a craving of fish/chicken. She also always have had a strong sense of smell, so we wash utensils twice!!😅😅😂 After years of marriage, mommy has now learned to eat eggs at least but any kind of meat is still a no-no....😂😂
My great grandmother was a vegetarian by choice but she kept separate utensils for her son and her husband which were used to prepare and eat non veg in. I’m a vegetarian by choice too, I don’t even eat eggs.
I am a Bengali Brahmin, we had and still have animal sacrifice on kali puja, durga puja. Not only that, we had human sacrifice till 1940s, then Indian laws abolished it so we don't do it anymore. Not only that we even have intercaste marriages, although not preferred but if u bring somebody home from a diff caste they won't get rejected, which is far more progressive than others.
@ankansenapati3600 I didn't mention other bengali brahmins, I just mentioned my native community people. And the line "more progressive than others", here the others are not brahmins from other communities, I am talking about the other castes. The intercaste is way more acceptable in upper castes as compared to lower castes in today's timeline.
People don’t realize that human sacrifice was a thing. The old Bhuvaneshwari Temple is tripura is one such place where there used to be human sacrifice. And not just humans, children below the age of 10 were the preferred sacrifice. Even Rabindranath Tagore wrote about it in Rajarshi.
It's clearly written in our literature kings wr ,allowed to hunting ....I think it improved their fighting skill ....but Brahmins wr not allowed to hunt because their work is teaching and research...all rules related to their nature of work ....its mentioned as one's Dharma
Everyone knows that it is wrong to kill. Having said that, spiritualism is not just about not killing others. It is about purification of mind and soul. There is much more to spiritualism than just NOT killing others. Nobody is disputing that Ahimsa paramo dharama is indeed true. Are all vegetarians spiritual? Is there any co-relation between vegetarianism and spiritualism? In my opinion no. You can say being vegetarian is necessary but not sufficient to be spiritual. Maybe. What is important is for a person to be on the spiritual path. If he becomes sufficiently spiritual, he most likely will become vegetarian on his own. If you think becoming vegetarian will make you more spiritual then you are sadly mistaken. If you start revering vegetarianism then people will become vegetarian. Not spiritual. Revere spiritualism and people will automatically become vegetarian. If you think praying to God by facing in a particular direction will make you spiritual then people will do that for sure. But then that is what spiritualism is all about. The goal is not just to be ritualistic even if the goal is lofty. The goal is inner transformation. Everything else will fall in line. Let people be what they are without being judgmental. I hope this clarifies my stand. Reply
I quote Andal the lady vaishnava saint Do what your elders have been doing Practice what the respectable people doShe is supposed to have de cluttered veda.
Ancient india doesn't represent india in its present form
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@@poweragain123 it is Parashar smriti for Kaliyuga ,Manu smriti was for satyug , treta ke liye Gautam aur Yagnyavalkya smriti dwapar ke liye Shankha and likhit Rishi ne diye the . Parashar smriti me ye bola Gaya hai ki agar laws change Karne ki zarurat hai to karne chahiye by a council of 10 learned people along with the king of the country .
Dear Kushal Sir, Please make one detailed video on FREEDOM OF TEMPLE FROM STATE GOVERNMENTs’ CONTROL. Our sanatani brothers and sisters are still unaware of this. Many thanks 🙏🏻
There are two statements in Valmiki Ramayana, one where Rama promises to eat no meat in the forest; and another where Hanuman tells Sita in Ashoka Nana that Rama does not eat meat. That is enough for me.
Add to your second point, "In your virah". And your first point, Raam says he can't eat Rajasik food but live on fruits and roots. He never says I promise never to eat meat!
@@arindamchaudhary9 My Valmiki Ramayana says Hanuman say: "which member of Raghuvansh ate meat". "I will live only on phal-kand-mool" excludes meat. Bharat also promises to eat only phal kand mool, by the way. So, if Rama ate meat he lets down Bharat. Shoorpanakha btw also says that the two brothers live only on phal-kand-mool. You want to make liars of Rama, Bharat, Hanuman and also Shoorpanakha, that is your choice.
@@arungupta3509 This is the problem when you go by English transcriptions, and take a shloka out of context, which is done with Hanuman ji samvad... Why do you see it as lying or speaking the truth??? That Shoorpnakha was a liar was well proven. Both Bharat and Raam says that they will live on kand mool, phal as a Vanvaasi, but do we get any actual diet chart of Bharat mentioned? Both of them were Kshatriyas. How on earth can the meat eating of one Kshatriya offend and let down the other? Vishnu had taken a full human incarnation and was supposed to behave as per the sensibilities and shortcomings of the mankind as per the age. Please do not fit our ancient scriptures into your narrow sensibilities. Rest you may believe as you wish but the scriptures doesn't change.
Saying that keeping Mahabharata at home leads to discord in the family is not a insult to the book but an insult to the intellect of someone who believes this folklore. Anyone who has a modicum of thinking ability will see how ridiculous such a claim is! Again, its value is not in just keeping it on a bookshelf as if it's wisdom will permeate the home over time, but in actually reading and imbibing it's essence whenever one or anyone in the household wants guidance during a 'dharma sankat' which all have to deal with in one's life.
Ami is honest: Sri Ram ate meat; he was a hunter and a kshatriya and that was a prevalent practice. He not only ate it, but enjoyed it because as Hanuman related, that Ram in distress has given up meat means he didn't care for or gave up something he enjoyed. Hanuman by relating this to Sita was emphasizing how much Ram missed Sita. Ram no longer enjoyed what he did earlier. And why should Rama be held to a standard by mortals of today about being vegetarian or not. It is not relevant in anyway whatsoever to the character of Rama. If you have based your criticism or personal choice on a literal interpretation of any text like Vedas replete with so much wisdom, then you have not understood the text at all. You are lost in the trees and cannot see the vast forest. The philosophy in these texts is relevant today; food habits and clothes and language and houses they lived in is to be seen in that context of that time and not of any value today.
How naive can people be when they assume that the world was the same 7-8 millenia back!!! Learn from the characters and the teachings it gives rather than going into details of what he ate or not. Prabhu Ram ne Shabri ke jhuthe ber khaaye thhe. Will anyone today follow him and eat from the same plate as a SC or ST of today??? Grow up people.
Under Thravancore kings it was capital offense to kill cow. It's only due to chrislamic-leftists have you become this way. Abandon this evil don't hurt animals for your pleasure. Become dhaarmika again.
In Ayodhya Kanda, Kanda, Sarg 20, Shloka 29, Rama tells Kausalya that he will spend the 14 years of exile in the forest eating only kanda-moola-phala. A main point of Ramayana is that Rama always keeps his word, ya? Since there is only thumbs-up and thumbs-down but no star rating, I must give you a thumbs down for this podcast.
well similarly on the aranyakanda after escape of maricha you could literally see ram killing another deer instead and extracting the meat now of course its a common sense whats happening here , at your point he might have said it in general way also he was not farming is he?and cutting 14 years on fruits are you sure thats even practical?
@@arungupta3509 well dude same Hanuman also said that he quit eating meat, I just don't get the point why try to fit Rama in templete also the man was surviving in forest not in garden to get Kandas and mooals convinently maybe have some trips around the forests to know that also the argument wasn't he was eating meat out of joy but out of necessity
@@siddhesshthakurr. Hanuman says "which member of Raghuvansha ever ate meat?" and not that Rama gave up eating meat. In a story, when a rock turns into Ahalya, do you accept it? Or a deer dies and turns into a gigantic body of Maricha? Then what is so miraculous about living a vegetarian life in the forest? Why do you fit Rama into your template, that only some parts must be "naturalistic"? The epic is teaching dharma, not physics.
@@arungupta3509 dude i literally learnt ramayana through sanskrit so i dont go by any translations or commentaries as per ahilya story is concerned it goes like sue was in meditative position like a rock not literally a clock you need to ro re red the sanskrit of it again , again the "templete" you say is added by you to contexutualize it rama wasnt a rishi to subsist on vegitarian diet i am not saying it might be doing it for pleasure but saying you are getting so called mula and kandas in a jungle daily is a ridiculous fantasy in itself try spending a week in forest like that and then come up to comment
i am for hinsa if its dharma simple.. our gods dnt carry weapon as so show or ornament😂 they carry that as adharmis wont learn sama they want danda and bhed only😂.... i dnt know when will hindus learn this very basic har din tho ramji ko arrow n bow k saath hi tho poojtey ho naa...😂.... and if ramaji had non veg he is kshtreya not brahmin.. for god sake grow up
Hey Bhagwaan, Kushal. Kyu itna doubt paida karte ho aur so-called vegetarians ko maarte ho. The fact that our Gods, including Raam and Krishna were vegetarians or non-vegetsrians is a no debate. Kya Raam non-vegetarian they toh usse mera Dharm bigad jaayega? Arey bhai uss zamane (Treta Yug kaal) mein bhi aur har zamane mein loge maas-macchi khaate aaye hain. Arey bhai Uttar Ramayan mein saaf bataya gaya hai ki ek machuaare ne Raam Sita ke sambandh par savaal uthaya tha. So, Fishermen were there even in those times, meaning people were eating fish.
As a Bengali, trust me even I don't like the smell of sweet water fish fried early morning. Although it's as bad as the stink of dried fish that engulfs entire Mumbai
Kushal is very anti Brahmin Yaar.. Bhai kiye honge paap humare purvajo ne, mili hongi unko sukh suvidhaye but independence ke baad thuk hi rahi hai humari. See Tamil Brahmins under dmk, Kashmiri Pandits, most Brahmin class is middle class at best and still upper class SC sts get reservation. To bhai mudda ye hai ki text me tho thike but thoda reality bhi dekho. Maybe gaav me abhi bhi aisa hota hai idk but cities me bohot brahmin bashing hoti hai tumhare jaise log ke waje se
@@sumitdutta7043see his video on reservations... Also in this vid, the emotions with which he spoke against the lighter punishment of Brahmins, this is an observation I've had after watching multiple episodes here and on sham sharma show
Hindutva ki aadh mein CHarvaka likhna jaroori hai? Pehle saabit toh karo Mahabharat kab hua tha. are there any archeological evidence? Pali bhasha ka, Tara ka, How Mahabodhi is captured by brahmins sab koi dekh raha hai uske baare mein charcha nahi hogi apne khayali pokao mein kahani ki charcha hogi. Funny Channel !!
I am writing this as someone who grew up non vegetarian but gave up all non veg food few years back as personal choice having never been 100% comfortable with it. The reason that utensils are kept separate COULD be that non vegetarian food developed bacteria very quickly - most cases of food poisoning involve non veg. - salmonella etc. In the past when refrigeration was not possible the situation must have been worse. So maybe the 2 are kept separately to avoid spread of bacteria.
Yes that is the most logical reason especially in a tropical region where food spoils easily.
When we grow older, more experienced and wiser, then we understand things better.
have never eaten flesh in my life. barely ate eggs but I fully agree with the views of you guys. Vaishnavism has hijacked the multi-faceted essence of teachings and character of bhagvan Krishna and has fit it into a very narrow, unidimensional ideology which is heavily influenced by budhhism and jainism while deriding our own sanatan shakhas of shaktism and early vedism.
Mic drop! Well said, it's become a somewhat vegan cult.
Jai Shri Krishna....!!!
Always nice to see @AmiGanatra ji...on podcast. So much insight into our historical epics....!!
Excellent Disscussion!!!even i m a vegetarian and i m not bothered about if shree ram ate meat or not ??
It's clearly written in our literature kings r ,allowed to hunting ....I think it improved their fighting skill ....but Brahmin not allowed to hunt because their work is teaching and research...all rules related to their nature of work ....its mentioned one's Dharma
It is always delight to listen Ami G. I will buy her book.
Absolutely agree with their thoughts on non-vegetarianism
I have absolutely no issue with Himsha in self defence, defence of family, friends, culture and country, and I wish Hindu's would understand Lord Krishna's simple message through their thick skulls as our ancestors understood it well enough to protect Bharat and Sanatani's for centuries. I do draw the line on Himsha on animals, there is no need unless again it is for self defence where running or outwitting is simply not an option. When I say animals I'm not referring to the those who are all too happy to call 'sar tun se juda' variety.
RAM jab sita ji k kehne pai harin badh karne Gaye the uyo kya self defence k liye tha or kshatriya, king ye pashu hatya Kara kar te the
@@ankansenapati3600 I stated my position, hopefully clearly. Which part of it did you not understand that you felt the need to conflate it with RAM BHUGWAN's position? Since you seem to have an issue with RAM BHUGWAN's act I suggest you take it up with him if you ever reach moksha.
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1:12:25 Ha ha Kushal hi hai Mahagyani
I respect Ami ma'am even she is not getting triggered even after authoring books on shastras and isn't over confident about her knowledge
I am a vegan and I don't get into arguments with meat eaters .I am following my conscience as i love animals .
Are mai bhi aa gya comment pe.
I know my ancestors were non-vegetarians but yaa I am vegetarian.
But I have no problems with others.
Yahi toh nahi samjhte log bhai
I am glad that even though i am a vegetarian n married to non vegetarian family- my husband n in laws understand my emotions n keep separate utensils for preparing d non veg food
Excellent discussion 👏
As far as meat eating is concerned, it should be left to the personal choice of a person. Don't promote it but don't discourage it either.
As a side note, the Vedas also do not prohibit eating meat. In fact, it does not prohibit eating beef too. All it does is to discourage eating miltch cows (cows that give milk).
@@Gautama3699He is not lying. He is expressing the Shakta and Shaiva opinion about the Vedas which is also called the Left Hand Path or Vama Marga. You are expressing the Vaishnava opinion about the Vedas.
@@Gautama3699Any food item offered to God in the proper manner becomes Sattvik. This is the Shakta and Shaiva opinion. That is why Pashu Bali is important Shakta and Shaiva ritual.
Spiritual person should be vegetarian
@@Gautama3699 Have you read the vedas? If not, read it. FYI, Great Rishis like Yajnavalkya who wrote Upanishads and mentions in Shatapatha Brahamana (of which he is the author) that eating cow and bull flesh should be avoided because they support everything here on earth, also states in Shatapatha Brahamana itself that " nevertheless, he eats the meat of both cow and bull, as long as it’s tender". Go figure.
@@jidrit999 Who says? At best, it is YOUR conjecture. If you believe it, follow it. Don't try to give false wisdom to others. When people like you make such baseless points i'm compelled to point out that Swami Vivekananda was also a non vegetarian. What's more, he smoked too. Spiritualism is all about purification of your soul (whatever that is). It's not about what you eat or drink. Karma will be there on the spiritual path. Any act, done without any "intent" to harm others is good karma ... including if he eats meat provided the animal is not killed by him. That is my opinion.
Taken to extreme (even more than Jains do) even ploughing a field kills living organisms. Should one stop consuming vegetables too? Everyone has a right to draw the line where he / she deems fit and it has nothing to do with spiritualism. What i agree with is that killing someone yourself, especially innocent animals as hunters do, is probably a bigger sin than eating meat. But if one kills someone to sustain himself, is that also a sin? That is an open question.
I am trying to find complete vyasa bharata with translations (Kannada or english). Can't seem to find anything that can be trusted online.
Can mam suggest such a work?
Its obvious sri ram was a kshatriya and killed many monsters rakshasa he definitely ought to eat meat , even vishwamitra ate meat because he was a warrior Brahmins,
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At 56:50, you provide the argument why the translation of meat would be more appropriate,
However, I would argue this dialogue by Hanuman ji further reinforces, that fruits would be better translation.
Here, there's a clear attempt to emphasize Sri Ram's pain and agony and show how non-caring he has got about himself.
Don't you think giving up fruits Which would have been his major diet better indicator of it, as opposed to giving up meat which is something most of us can do anyways ( hence something not much severe)
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You ate taking it too another extreme(may be your veg bias).
If Ram was not even taking fruits then what was he taking. Only Rice.
Kshtriya body requires energy too.
Already protein(as meat) is out as per your bias.
So only Rice remains.
@@sumitdutta7043 Taking extreme is precisely the point,
Sri Ram in his pain, simply could have minimised the intake of any sort of food as he didn't care about himself.
I am sure, a lot of people have taken actions like these during certain phases of their lives.
This sacrifice actually perfectly ties with the context of not sleeping properly, hallucinating about Mata Sita.
The precise point here, is Sri Ram didn't lead a healthy life after getting separated from Mata Sita.
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5:36:41 Ismein saaf aaya hai ki wolog mansh aur madira ka sewan nhi krte the.(same iit wale site par)
2:27:15 Sita ji jab ram ji ko vanvash jane ko covince kr rhi thi tab wo saaf bolti hain ki aisa mat samajhiyega ki hm fruits aur roots par apna jivan nhi bita sakte.
2:50:44 yhan par ram ji bolte hain wo fruit aur roots par apna jivan bitatein hain.
Mansh ka translation(shabdkosh english hindi dictionary) fruit ka guda wala aang bhi diya hai
@@ANKITKUMAR-kc2zw see i have watched Valmiki Râmâyana video playlist from the channel
Indian Spiritual Heritage where a monk name Swami Samarpananda gave lectures on Valmiki Râmâyana, so I find him more rational.
The translations by Bibekdebroy also suggests non-veg.
GitaPress has pre veg bias notions (north indian brahmins and baniyas generally have)
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The counter reference I gave you (5-36-41)(2-27-15)(2-50-44) have same translation at
1. IIT kanpur(prof p Gervani, k kamala(sanskrit professor), sri v v subba rao
2.Gita press
3. Valmiki ramayan (dot)net ( sri kmk murthy)
Non ambiguous vs ambigious. Shlokas-->
Show me alternate translation to verse I gave to you as I can show you alternate translation to pro non veg shlokas.
But the shlokas I gave are non ambiguous. Almost everyone has translated it same.
I respect gurus but they are not infallable especially when I gave you 3 verses from 3 sources which says he decided to eat fruit and roots.
Marna- can easily be translated to slapping playfully
Mansm- as pulp of fruit(according to dictionary).
Kushal, no point in losing your 'santulan' because some ignoramuses pose a question. Some want to poke holes in RAma's character and should be ignored summarily as they havent read and or understood anything in the texts. but some may genuinely misguided or misunderstanding it. See that as an opportunity to educate them and others like them. Sri Rama would not be as outraged as you are :) Rightfully, you have directed them to some good books. Ami handled it beautifully with knowledge, honesty and balance.
Can someone who doesnt know anything about Mahabharata, start with reading this book or is it advanced level?
You can start with this is a good book for those who don't know anything about Mahabharata.
You should start with her first book Mahabharata Unravelled
One of the fundamental qualities of our sanatan dharm is that your life as a human being should be least destructive to your fellow creatures and environment, and if you take this to any extreme you will harm yourself or others which doesn't ailgn with our principles of sanatan dharm.
Even if you are vegetarian please go save all the insects killed in the process of farming please and then only speak.
And if you save all of them then you will start fasting for life (short life) and harm a creature that you are, how are you suppose to avoid being a hinsak?
People who eat meat, should also consider present seniors of our society and make there decision ailgned with sanatan dharm principles (If they follow or would like to follow Sanatan dharms principles). You are free to choose and whatever you choose is your accountability, and same goes for vegetarians.
Most of the people are not educated in our shatras and have not understood the essence of the principles, hence any random person talking about anything about shastras will only lead common men, women and others only confused. The least standard for discussing on these topics is formal education of sanatan dharm, but as we know its just not there and scientific temperament and having an idea that there is something like "scientific temperament" exists is non existent, forget about understanding darshans of sanatan dharms and discussions on them.
All those who truly want to be dharm Kshatriyas must fight against all the odds for creating a window of opportunity for future generations just like our ancestors have being doing for us in past, its our time to understand the Shastra and do our dharm towards our rajya while aligned with the core principles of our Santan dharm.
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My mom too doesn't eats meat.... We always had to keep our non veg utensils separate and we are not allowed to cook non-veg in mommy's kitchen. Back at home Papa n us 2 sisters always had too cook separately in the backyard whenever we have a craving of fish/chicken. She also always have had a strong sense of smell, so we wash utensils twice!!😅😅😂
After years of marriage, mommy has now learned to eat eggs at least but any kind of meat is still a no-no....😂😂
No need for eating either. Stick to veggies.
My great grandmother was a vegetarian by choice but she kept separate utensils for her son and her husband which were used to prepare and eat non veg in. I’m a vegetarian by choice too, I don’t even eat eggs.
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I am vegetarian by birth. Its fine. I avoid sugar wheat milk
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I am a Bengali Brahmin, we had and still have animal sacrifice on kali puja, durga puja. Not only that, we had human sacrifice till 1940s, then Indian laws abolished it so we don't do it anymore. Not only that we even have intercaste marriages, although not preferred but if u bring somebody home from a diff caste they won't get rejected, which is far more progressive than others.
If you are not a intellectual then you are not a Brahmin
No we didn't have human sacrifice 😭, till 1940. And Bengali brahmin was not any less casteist than any other brahmin.
@ankansenapati3600 I didn't mention other bengali brahmins, I just mentioned my native community people. And the line "more progressive than others", here the others are not brahmins from other communities, I am talking about the other castes. The intercaste is way more acceptable in upper castes as compared to lower castes in today's timeline.
@@rahul_yt615 murdering humans?? Wtf
People don’t realize that human sacrifice was a thing. The old Bhuvaneshwari Temple is tripura is one such place where there used to be human sacrifice. And not just humans, children below the age of 10 were the preferred sacrifice. Even Rabindranath Tagore wrote about it in Rajarshi.
It's clearly written in our literature kings wr ,allowed to hunting ....I think it improved their fighting skill ....but Brahmins wr not allowed to hunt because their work is teaching and research...all rules related to their nature of work ....its mentioned as one's Dharma
Everyone knows that it is wrong to kill. Having said that, spiritualism is not just about not killing others. It is about purification of mind and soul. There is much more to spiritualism than just NOT killing others. Nobody is disputing that Ahimsa paramo dharama is indeed true.
Are all vegetarians spiritual? Is there any co-relation between vegetarianism and spiritualism? In my opinion no. You can say being vegetarian is necessary but not sufficient to be spiritual. Maybe.
What is important is for a person to be on the spiritual path. If he becomes sufficiently spiritual, he most likely will become vegetarian on his own. If you think becoming vegetarian will make you more spiritual then you are sadly mistaken.
If you start revering vegetarianism then people will become vegetarian. Not spiritual. Revere spiritualism and people will automatically become vegetarian. If you think praying to God by facing in a particular direction will make you spiritual then people will do that for sure. But then that is what spiritualism is all about. The goal is not just to be ritualistic even if the goal is lofty. The goal is inner transformation. Everything else will fall in line.
Let people be what they are without being judgmental.
I hope this clarifies my stand.
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I quote Andal the lady vaishnava saint Do what your elders have been doing Practice what the respectable people doShe is supposed to have de cluttered veda.
Sounds like Mahabharata was the MBA syllabus of Bharatvarsha
Ancient india doesn't represent india in its present form
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Hi Kushal, in kali yuga, shouldn't parashar smriti be the text of reference and not manu smriti?
No, that's not correct, because the Manu Smriti is the most important Smriti in today's context as well.
@@poweragain123 it is Parashar smriti for Kaliyuga ,Manu smriti was for satyug , treta ke liye Gautam aur Yagnyavalkya smriti dwapar ke liye Shankha and likhit Rishi ne diye the . Parashar smriti me ye bola Gaya hai ki agar laws change Karne ki zarurat hai to karne chahiye by a council of 10 learned people along with the king of the country .
Kushal ispe banana yaar ek video. People don’t know
Dear Kushal Sir,
Please make one detailed video on FREEDOM OF TEMPLE FROM STATE GOVERNMENTs’ CONTROL.
Our sanatani brothers and sisters are still unaware of this. Many thanks 🙏🏻
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1:11:00 pottery wala disprove ho gaya tha .....just saying
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Sound ki dikat hain thodi is podcast main ,sir jo ki apko pta hoga hi.
I'm buying the book.
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These guys buy expensive mic and all but don't even know how to keep interference from mobiles out. 😒
Hanuman says - who from the Raghu vansh ever ate meat?
Ram.
@@ankansenapati3600 but Raama*expressly said he didn't eat meat.
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There are two statements in Valmiki Ramayana, one where Rama promises to eat no meat in the forest; and another where Hanuman tells Sita in Ashoka Nana that Rama does not eat meat. That is enough for me.
Add to your second point, "In your virah". And your first point, Raam says he can't eat Rajasik food but live on fruits and roots. He never says I promise never to eat meat!
@@arindamchaudhary9 My Valmiki Ramayana says Hanuman say: "which member of Raghuvansh ate meat".
"I will live only on phal-kand-mool" excludes meat.
Bharat also promises to eat only phal kand mool, by the way. So, if Rama ate meat he lets down Bharat.
Shoorpanakha btw also says that the two brothers live only on phal-kand-mool.
You want to make liars of Rama, Bharat, Hanuman and also Shoorpanakha, that is your choice.
@@arungupta3509 This is the problem when you go by English transcriptions, and take a shloka out of context, which is done with Hanuman ji samvad... Why do you see it as lying or speaking the truth??? That Shoorpnakha was a liar was well proven. Both Bharat and Raam says that they will live on kand mool, phal as a Vanvaasi, but do we get any actual diet chart of Bharat mentioned? Both of them were Kshatriyas. How on earth can the meat eating of one Kshatriya offend and let down the other? Vishnu had taken a full human incarnation and was supposed to behave as per the sensibilities and shortcomings of the mankind as per the age. Please do not fit our ancient scriptures into your narrow sensibilities. Rest you may believe as you wish but the scriptures doesn't change.
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Saying that keeping Mahabharata at home leads to discord in the family is not a insult to the book but an insult to the intellect of someone who believes this folklore. Anyone who has a modicum of thinking ability will see how ridiculous such a claim is! Again, its value is not in just keeping it on a bookshelf as if it's wisdom will permeate the home over time, but in actually reading and imbibing it's essence whenever one or anyone in the household wants guidance during a 'dharma sankat' which all have to deal with in one's life.
I think meat eating should be subjective. Period. Quoting ancient text to eat meat is absurd.
Killing animals for pleasure-which meat is-cannot be allowed in civilised society.
Ami is honest: Sri Ram ate meat; he was a hunter and a kshatriya and that was a prevalent practice. He not only ate it, but enjoyed it because as Hanuman related, that Ram in distress has given up meat means he didn't care for or gave up something he enjoyed. Hanuman by relating this to Sita was emphasizing how much Ram missed Sita. Ram no longer enjoyed what he did earlier. And why should Rama be held to a standard by mortals of today about being vegetarian or not. It is not relevant in anyway whatsoever to the character of Rama. If you have based your criticism or personal choice on a literal interpretation of any text like Vedas replete with so much wisdom, then you have not understood the text at all. You are lost in the trees and cannot see the vast forest. The philosophy in these texts is relevant today; food habits and clothes and language and houses they lived in is to be seen in that context of that time and not of any value today.
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How naive can people be when they assume that the world was the same 7-8 millenia back!!! Learn from the characters and the teachings it gives rather than going into details of what he ate or not. Prabhu Ram ne Shabri ke jhuthe ber khaaye thhe. Will anyone today follow him and eat from the same plate as a SC or ST of today??? Grow up people.
even this ber khae episode was not in the original Valmiki Ramayana, it is later Ramayana's like Ramcharitmanas.
Zhute berr is not in original Ramayana.
It’s Mahabharat not Mahabharata .
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Am a beef eating Hindu for Kerala that worships both Krishna and Ram. There is nothing to be triggered
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@@ankansenapati3600 but not a beef Eater
@@deependerkadian5524 then savarkar was not a hindu
Under Thravancore kings it was capital offense to kill cow. It's only due to chrislamic-leftists have you become this way. Abandon this evil don't hurt animals for your pleasure. Become dhaarmika again.
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In Ayodhya Kanda, Kanda, Sarg 20, Shloka 29, Rama tells Kausalya that he will spend the 14 years of exile in the forest eating only kanda-moola-phala.
A main point of Ramayana is that Rama always keeps his word, ya?
Since there is only thumbs-up and thumbs-down but no star rating, I must give you a thumbs down for this podcast.
well similarly on the aranyakanda after escape of maricha you could literally see ram killing another deer instead and extracting the meat now of course its a common sense whats happening here , at your point he might have said it in general way also he was not farming is he?and cutting 14 years on fruits are you sure thats even practical?
@@siddhesshthakurr. Apart from Rama himself, we have Hanuman and Shurpanaka also saying that Rama subsists on phal-kand-moola.
@@arungupta3509 well dude same Hanuman also said that he quit eating meat, I just don't get the point why try to fit Rama in templete also the man was surviving in forest not in garden to get Kandas and mooals convinently maybe have some trips around the forests to know that also the argument wasn't he was eating meat out of joy but out of necessity
@@siddhesshthakurr. Hanuman says "which member of Raghuvansha ever ate meat?" and not that Rama gave up eating meat.
In a story, when a rock turns into Ahalya, do you accept it? Or a deer dies and turns into a gigantic body of Maricha? Then what is so miraculous about living a vegetarian life in the forest?
Why do you fit Rama into your template, that only some parts must be "naturalistic"? The epic is teaching dharma, not physics.
@@arungupta3509 dude i literally learnt ramayana through sanskrit so i dont go by any translations or commentaries as per ahilya story is concerned it goes like sue was in meditative position like a rock not literally a clock you need to ro re red the sanskrit of it again , again the "templete" you say is added by you to contexutualize it rama wasnt a rishi to subsist on vegitarian diet i am not saying it might be doing it for pleasure but saying you are getting so called mula and kandas in a jungle daily is a ridiculous fantasy in itself try spending a week in forest like that and then come up to comment
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i am for hinsa if its dharma simple.. our gods dnt carry weapon as so
show or ornament😂 they carry that as adharmis wont learn sama they want danda and bhed only😂.... i dnt know when will hindus learn this very basic har din tho ramji ko arrow n bow k saath hi tho poojtey ho naa...😂.... and if ramaji had non veg he is kshtreya not brahmin.. for god sake grow up
Kushal bhai we watch your podcast to learn new perspective, be less condescending.
Hey Bhagwaan, Kushal. Kyu itna doubt paida karte ho aur so-called vegetarians ko maarte ho. The fact that our Gods, including Raam and Krishna were vegetarians or non-vegetsrians is a no debate. Kya Raam non-vegetarian they toh usse mera Dharm bigad jaayega? Arey bhai uss zamane (Treta Yug kaal) mein bhi aur har zamane mein loge maas-macchi khaate aaye hain. Arey bhai Uttar Ramayan mein saaf bataya gaya hai ki ek machuaare ne Raam Sita ke sambandh par savaal uthaya tha. So, Fishermen were there even in those times, meaning people were eating fish.
As a Bengali, trust me even I don't like the smell of sweet water fish fried early morning.
Although it's as bad as the stink of dried fish that engulfs entire Mumbai
Kushal is very anti Brahmin Yaar.. Bhai kiye honge paap humare purvajo ne, mili hongi unko sukh suvidhaye but independence ke baad thuk hi rahi hai humari. See Tamil Brahmins under dmk, Kashmiri Pandits, most Brahmin class is middle class at best and still upper class SC sts get reservation. To bhai mudda ye hai ki text me tho thike but thoda reality bhi dekho. Maybe gaav me abhi bhi aisa hota hai idk but cities me bohot brahmin bashing hoti hai tumhare jaise log ke waje se
I mean how come he is anti-brahmin?
Any particular instance?
@@sumitdutta7043see his video on reservations... Also in this vid, the emotions with which he spoke against the lighter punishment of Brahmins, this is an observation I've had after watching multiple episodes here and on sham sharma show
@@ElN246i haven't watched reservation video.
But here what he is telling is correct.
Comparative ligher punishment are mentioned for Brahmins.
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@@ankansenapati3600 myself from city area.. All my life I've faced reverse casteism instead
Hindutva ki aadh mein CHarvaka likhna jaroori hai? Pehle saabit toh karo Mahabharat kab hua tha. are there any archeological evidence? Pali bhasha ka, Tara ka, How Mahabodhi is captured by brahmins sab koi dekh raha hai uske baare mein charcha nahi hogi apne khayali pokao mein kahani ki charcha hogi. Funny Channel !!