I am so grateful for the BR Chopra's Mahabharat. There are other versions but I will always watch this version. A very interesting discussion. Good luck for the book 👍🏼
14:47, talking about south, When Pandavas escape from Wax house, they travelled to south. There are many archeological evidences in Chikkamagaluru and Hassan districts of karanataka regarding this. And I don't find many temples for Draupadi in North, in south it is very common.
Good job Ami. For a young girl like you taking up reading our ancient texts, analysing and interpreting it is a huge achievement. Bless you and may you achieve higher buddhi.
Really enjoyed the discussion. Again, very happy to see Ami here. First time I heard her speak. Will def buy the book too. 👍🏼 I have a lot of questions now, but will wait till I read her book & the Mahabharata book reading. This will be exciting! 😊
Agreed...Ami has a beautiful and fresh dimension of thought towards our great epic...first thing to do before reading Mahabharta would be to always remind urself that it is our "Itihasa" which is told in a poetic form...think of all the characters as Humans...then wen u read it, u feel ur reading an encyclopedia on philosophy, relationships, karthavya, bravery, dharma and what not...If u are interested u could join me in reading Mahabharta, the Kisari Mohan Ganguli version( the best unabridged translation of Mahabharata) by following my youtube channel "Vedascool" U can subscribe here to Vedascool: th-cam.com/channels/HYxMQfx-tHUleWDYAEKErA.html P.S.Though I have not put my opinions in my video and am narrating the stories as it has been told in the text, yet the bliss of reading the book first hand is unmatched.It leaves u in total awe of our great culture and history.😊.All the best on your journey of knowing Mahabharata.
@@sarvathavicharsheel7487 As BORI version was worked on by a team of scholars for years together, yes it seems more authentic.But then a lot of stories and instances are omitted in BORI version stating the reason of interpolation. Plus the English translation of BORI version by Bibekji has been told to have mistakes in translation.KMG version is freely available online and though it is in victorian English and hence a bit difficult to read, yet I felt it to be more feasible than BORI Version( totally my opinion alone).Translation are always having a flip side.Nothing is as good or authentic as reading in sanskrit.Anyways, the most important thing I feel , is we the young generation take interest in knowing our ancient texts in whichever possible way. I really appreciate ur opinion though, Thank you🙏
I don't have words to describe the beauty of podcast. Each topic she has explained very well. I watched complete video🤗. Going to read this book now.👍👍
Nilesh oak is already on the journey to date the Mahabharata. His dating needs to be critically discussed with similar researchers. I saw that there was at least one such discussion.
Kushal is not convinced of Nilesh Oak's work. (I find it interesting though). I find tying Sanauli to Mahabharatha timing seems illogical. It might make sense only if someone proves that Sanaulis's chariot belonged to one of the Mahabharatha characters, which is very hard. Sky orientation, archeology evidence from Dwaraka are the right proofs. That way Nilesh Oak's work is more credible than Kushal's favorite theory of Talageri.
When you look at a verse on one hand... compare it with a simulation on the other hand... and then ask yourself: How do i interpret this verse to make it fit with the simulation... the end result is not objective testing as Nilesh Oak claims. This is the very opposite of "objective". It could have been objective if we had objective rules to determine (or predict) what the simulation should look like purely by reading the verses and then test our predictions against the simulation. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be possible.
His dates appeal to his followers (in most cases) because of jingoism and wishful thinking. The best estimate of the Mahabharata war is 1000 to 900 bce. As per Puranas, five generations after the war, there was the flood of Hasthinapur in 800 bce, for which we have archeological evidence.
@@indieboy1033 I wouldn't put Mr Talageri and Oak in the same book. Mr Talageri is actually a genuine scholar. He has spent literally years doing a linguistic analysis of the Rig Veda, and hasn't just given his own opinions, but consulted the existing scholarship on linguistics, citing Western scholars from the 19th century to the present. His analysis is in fact irrefutable -- and let me tell you why ---he is using the Western linguists analysis itself. They have done the work and proven through linguistic analysis that the Rig Veda books were composed at different times. We know books 2-6 were the old books, and 1, 5(half way between old and new), 8 and 9 and 10 are the new books. This was already known for the last 200 years, but what he has done which nobody else did was analyse the vocabulary and identify which words were new and old and which period in Vedic chronology they fit in. For example, the word "Raat" which we all take to be night today, was "Nakt" in the old books. The word Raat is therefore a new word that the old composers were not aware of. Nobody disagrees with this, even the Western scholars. But Talageri has taken his much further and using the Western scholars own research proven irrefutably not only were the old composers not aware of the word for "Night" they were not aware of the words for camel or goat, or spoked wheel until the stage of the new books. What conclusion does this lead to? The Rig Vedic people never entered India through the West on horse driven chariots, otherwise they would have known goats, camels or spoked wheel chariots. Instead, he has proven conclusively the Rig Vedic people originated as settled cultures in the East in Haryana and gradually moved Westwards as they expanded. He has further shown through analysis of the words, even the metre used, that the vocabulary that the Avesta(Persians) and the Mittanis in 2000BCE have common with the Rig Veda, is only in the new books. So this leads to only one conclusion: The Persians and Mittanis were later-Vedic migrants. Therefore, he has proven, at least linguistically and textually, Out of India theory. Not a single Western linguistic has tried to refute him. But Indian scholars, I mean genuine ones, all appreciate the power of his work. He literally is the first linguist from the OIT camp.
@Vizads RagnaRyuuk The search for the "true" Rigvedic Sarasvati maybe like chasing a mirage. (Hint: read about Aredvi Sura Anahita). Also, whatever Mahabharata tirtha manual describes is still visible today. The Sarasvati (Ghaggar) dries up in the vinshana, and rises again in the Aravali hills (if I remeber correctly). Its a tributary of Luni called Sarsuti. MHBH says it then "joins other rivers going seawards" which is still the case.
Thanks Kushal and Ami for this podcast. B R Chopra Mahabharat has definitely portrayed Draupadi and Yudhishthir in bad light. Where as Siddharth Tiwari has portrayed Satyavati, Madri and few other characters in bad light.
I am grateful to Ami ji who pointed out this significant part of Mahabharata that Yudhishthira conquered entire India. 🙏🙏 It tells India was united even before the Mauryans
Yudhistira sounds like Rajnath Singh. He is sharp and knows how to convince. Perhaps Yudhistir's diplomatic brains, listening etc were better than others.
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs there is no historical proof of mountains being lifted by a being called krishna. But the hisoric events mythicised in the Mahabharata are estimated to have happenned around 1500 bc. If western historicism were to be applied seriously and impartially, then there is no proof of jesus and pythagorus either
@@surajs5913 50% of western population is atheist. Most western scientists don't believe in god.Pythagoras is not god. Why you bring him here in this discussion.
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs because lack of empirical proof ought not be mistook for denial. Arguments, even atheist arguments should not be bound by historicism, and discussions should be equally valid and justifiable even in the event that mythicised history is partly true.
Loved the podcast, I would recommend people to watch Sadhguru's version of Mahabharata, just to get a different perspective. It a complete series available on TH-cam.
What's version? Vyasa's Mahabharat is original and people should learn that . It's not a literature or story that ,it will hv it's versions, It's Itihaas or history. Read BORI , that's it.
I liked most of the things in this podcast except when Kushal completely brushed aside the question about Divyastra. No question is silly except when people deliberately do it do demean anything. He could have just explained that the Divyastras are not the same as modern day nuclear weapons. So whoever asked the question, here is my understanding regarding the topic. Ashwathama created a divyastra from just a straw and by chanting mantras. In order to be capable of doing so, the warriors used to do Tapasya by chanting specific mantras millions of times. In vedas, there is mention of such astras and the mantras.
Please sit somewhere with a piece of straw and chant "Brahmastra" millions of times and then do live podcast and prove it to the entire world. Kuch bhi?
@@RajSingh-xn8qd seems like you didn't understood what I wrote in the first place. Please go through several more times to understand it. Also, this forum is not to start fight but to understand our ancient scriptures. What I mentioned earlier was that the description of such astras and brahmastras are mentioned in great detail in our vedas. Whether they work or not or wheteher someone believes or not is an entirely different thing. Apart from Brahmastra, there is agneya astra, varuna astra, naga astra, vayu astra, surya astra, vajra astra, mohini astra, narayan astra, pashupat astra and many more. These names were not made up by me. Please do some research on them and I am sure you will find the details.
@@RajSingh-xn8qd 100% , if you sit with a straw and chant , nothing is gonna happen other than the straw drying off.If there is existence of nuclear bombs today, then there were divyastras in the lore days...u believe it or not...the chanting of mantras etc might only be a preparatory method for the warrior to be capable of bringing his mind and body together to be able to create such an extraordinary weapon...dont dismiss something without even giving it a thought...
I don’t know who has this misconception that south India has nothing to do in Mahabharata. In remote villages we will find places where Pandavas visited , in outskirts of Bangalore you have Mallikarjuna temple , linga is termed Mallikarjuna becos Arjun did penance amd orayed to this linga to get the Pashupathastra , he used Mallika flowers to adorn the lord , hence the name . The temple still exists. You have caves where they stayed during vanwas , you have the place where Bakasur lived in Chintamani . There is a place called Bakasur bandi even today to represent this incident . Similarly so many stories of different places you find in south India .
I had read lot of Mahabharata was based on Shivaji Sawants books (Radhey, Yugandhar). Pankaj Dhir who played Karna in an interview said he was given Shivaji Sawant Novels and his character is based on that
@Devvrat Mishra To be precise the year was 5114 BCE of the birth year of Ram and hence the beginning of Ramayana. The book I'm recommending covers the evidence from archaeology, palaeobotany, geography, oceanography, genetic studies, and remote sensing methods. Go read the book. Close minds have opinions not reality. Never close the possibility of anything.
@Devvrat Mishra Also I never quote Ram setu as an evidence becoz proper research needs to be done around it now that we know it's a man made structure. Might be one of the first we know. So automatically the question arises who built it? If they had capability of building bridges so sophisticated then they had knowledge system? This would have begun from a date before the construction of bridge. So there was a level of civilization achieved.How long that group started civilizing? From which part it was? What time it was built?
Couple of things. Through out the history,,, Not all Brahmins are elite,, There are poor Brahmins as well... Kshatriyas is a changing class, meaning Kshatriyas in 1500 AD may have no relation to Kshatriyas in 5 AD since kingdoms rise and fall with the rise of kingdoms new classes are formed... The Rajputs of today rose to prominence due to their support of Mughals, Rajputs served under Mughals,, Same for Traders as well and same for Shudras as well.. I
Entire Service sector, Hospitality, Industries, Lawyers, Doctors, MSME etc come under Shudra which makes them the most productive section of the society.
@@pranavpiyush8093 Shudra term is the most confused term,, For example: There have been Jaat kings but most of the Jaats are agriculturalist but they also serve as soldiers for Jaat kings so does it make Jaats as Kshatriyas or Shudras, Neither.. Realistically there needs to be more research on Class in Indian society.. As far as I can tell the line between the class/communities was so thin that shudras can easily become Kshatriyas and Kshatriyas can become Shudras... Also this varna classification cannot be applied now at all... Also regarding doctors and others... If a doctor is self employed then he is Vaishya but if same doctor works for a bigger clinic then doctor is shudra but still doctor is a doctor and very important occupation is society,.. So these Varna classification are nothing more than theory which got rigid under British rule
This is the book I was looking for even before you started writing 😀. Anyway...to add to the discussion of polygamy at around 38 mins in the podcast, the mahabharata has very clearly defined it. Atleast the ganguly version has. A brahmin man can mary a woman from any of the 4 varnas, a kshtriya can mary a woman of his own caste or a vaishye or a shudra woman. Similarly a vashye man can mary vashye or shudra women. And the shudra could mary only a shudra.
Kushal, Telugu people don't have any taboo against Mahabharata. We have a saying " tinte gaarelu tinali, vinte Bharatam vinaali" which means " gaarelu ( a vada like item) are the best among foods, likewise Mahabharata is for listening. "
Great discussion but I request you to please speak a lot in English so that those who do not know Hindi will also be able to learn from such enlightening shows. Thank you 😊🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
There are three versions of the Mahabharata : Jaya , Bharata and Mahabharata . Dr. Sukthankar's critical edition is the authenti c edition . As such , a scholar should confine himself/herself to the text written by Vyasa and not the enlarged ones . Vaishampayana enlarged The Jaya from 8840 shlokas to 26000 and the enlargement continued till it reached about 96000 or nearly so . 🙏
These r not versions of the book. These r somewhat parts of the great epic. The original text is Jaya (Victory) which is story of 18 days of war. Bharat means progeny of King Bharat. So history of Bharat Clan with War makes a great epic Mahabharat.
Kauravas went to heaven bcuz as a kshatriya they did their duty by fighting on the battlefield and ultimately dieing there Where as pandavas lived a long lavish comfortable life after winning the war Hence, did live like a kshatriya for the major part of their life.
Incorrect English translations of words: - Yagya = Fire Offering NOT "sacrifices" or "horse sacrifice" - Raj Bhavan = King's Quarter NOT "King's Apartment" - Varna = Role you play in the society NOT "caste" - Dharma = Ethical behavior based on the Varna/role you are playing NOT "righteousness" - Karma = Karma NOT "actions" - Vanara = Primate Humanoid (Nara=Human) NOT "monkey" etc.
Vanara is van=forest+nara=man.... forest dweller. The vanaras were human beings living in the forest who used to wear masks and attach tails of animals they revered...including monkeys and bears.
Those people who argue for human rights of terrorists are same as Duryadhana... they will do adharma and when they have to pay for their wrong deeds will talk about Dharma... these views get crystal clear when you study Mahabharata...
Other people: I'm on Arjun's/Karan's side because...........(proceeds to write a whole essey). Me: I'm on Arjun's side because he's litrally my surname.
@Devvrat Mishra idk man you're not on my name so idk 🤷 (in a sane world people would automatically see this as satire, but in case someone is not, it is).
Do not interpret Religious books in English ever else you would land into meaningless of religious books.. Interpret Hindu religious books always in it's own original native sanskrit language..
Who will be the readers ?? Those who knowns Sanskrit they will read original Mahabharata, they don’t need to read again . And most people don’t known Sanskrit , then who are her readers ?? For whom is she writing ??
do you talk about the lesser known facts in Vyasas Mahabharata ..like stories of Santanu/ Daksha etc the ancestry of the pandavas and kauravas and the yadavs?
Check out this collection of Shantanu stories as told in Kisari Mohan Ganguli's unabridged translation of Mahabharata: th-cam.com/play/PLSxkYE3xt4WwF4PqaDylsAMNEiTPyZZz-.html Stories of Devyani, Sharmishta and Yayati: th-cam.com/play/PLSxkYE3xt4WzUcL59kbwdRvqwCdkUlpZG.html Link to a few rare stories in Mahabharata: th-cam.com/play/PLSxkYE3xt4WzVPcykk8_07N8SBjQiEvI2.html U can follow Vedascool to read Mahabharta with us(as told in K.M.Ganguli translation) by subscribing to the link below: th-cam.com/channels/HYxMQfx-tHUleWDYAEKErA.html U can also find K.M.Ganguli's translation online in a website called "Sacred Texts".Reading Mahabharata and understanding each character is an eye opening and intellectually enriching experience.All the best👍
Live in today does disassociate with responsibility. If mutually broken without consequences, it's okay, but it's near impossible. I think this is a reason not recognizing it legally.
1:21:27, You need to reinvent yourself. Science and technological developments happens and perish along with civilization. How do you think all these great Hindu temples are built. what do you think about Vimana shastras which British and Germans stole from India and constructed airplanes?. Watch Praveen Mohan's videos for better understanding.
There was no Vimana shastra. The so-called Vimana shastra you are referring too is an early 20th century book which claims to be received through telepathic contact with the ghost of Bharajwaj. Are you surprised, it is not taken seriously by scientists?
@@RajSingh-xn8qd Ancient knowledge are never documented in written form like west. They were verbally taught. Nasa had studied the text and developed a concept of mercury vortex engine based on it.
Santosh Kumar; It is a complete myth. Indians can hide behind Shastra as much they wish but the fact is India never built any viman that flew. Yes, Indians invented Hanuman, a monkey that is claimed to fly without wings across Bharat. Aeronautically absurd and false. Satyemeva Jayete.
Are muslims ,dalit and adivasi men are also included I have listened such comments about white Christians men too but when ever blacks and Muslims men are brought up all I hear is racist and Islamophobe.
@@harshr9185 Not really, even in the tale as you would call it, it is men who couldn't handle her who had a problem with her. Now, whether it is fiction or not is a debate of its own. Even in today's society, many men can't handle a strong woman. I am not generalizing, but most can't and that's the truth.
@@ravishingravi I am from Kerala myself. Men in Kerala are no better. In fact, I have found men in states like Gujarat, Tamil Nadu and West Bengal to be more progressive. Again, not generalizing, but a personal experience
Karna WAS A CLASS ONE ROUGE, at a minimum he was world's first 'misogynist'!! Please, please please read Vyasa Mahabharata folks! He was NEVER discriminated for caste as demonstrated by Ami in this podcast, but also he was the worst friend anyone could have!! Duryodhana goes for war based on Karna's promise that he will fight & decimate the pandavas, and then when the war starts, Karna fumes at Bheeshma and sits in his tent declaring he will not fight till Bheeshma is dead...!!! i.e. Karna did not enter the battlefield for 10 out of 18 days of the war!! Is that what a good friend does? Forget a 'good' friend, is that what a friend would even do???? It was on his instigation to get Draupadi also to court that Duryodhana drags Draupadi in he rmenses cycle to the court and orders disrobing her in the dice game!! Read Vyasa Mahabharat and understand the rogue that he is. Please KNOW PEOPLE IF YOU ARE NAMING YOUR KIDS ON THIS ROUGE'S NAME, YOU ARE NAMING YOUR CHILDREN AFER A MISOGYNST AND A 'FRIEND' WHO STABBED HIS FRIEND IN THE BACK!
"Misogynist" Karna also humbly and politely speaks to Kunti unlike what is shown in Serials and grants her the boon of sparing 4 Pandavas without asking. Scholars have argued that the stripping incident is a later addition based on it not being referenced at critical places where it should have been referenced and also based on the structure of the shlokas. He was not discriminated to the degree TV serials show, but he was still discriminated. The celestial weapon knowledge was available only to Brahmanas and Kshatriyas as stated in Shanti Parva and Karna was denied that. Marriages with lower Varna man and upper Varna woman were considered Pratiloma , ie unholy. Suta was the product of such marriage between Kshatriya and Brahmana. That doesn't mean he was a "general" category as per today's norm. Sutas were meant to be servants of Kshatriyas, as Shalya mentions in Karna Parva. Bhima compared sutas to dogs in the tournament. Ami tries justify it by saying it's Karna's fault for gatecrashing but 2 wrongs don't make a right. And the tension between Bhishma and Karna wasn't because of a single insult from Bhishma, but it was a result of years of insults from Bhishma who admitted that they were planned by him to sap his energy. Lastly this "rogue's" death is mourned by nature itself as everything is agitated and the gods and gandharvas lament his death. Karna literally has a name for being virtuous 'Vrisha'. Even when Drona is insulting Karna in Udyoga Parva he calls him generous. Karna is not a total saint, but is still a good man with flaws.
@@aryandesai9144 His being a misogynst is the all the reason one should avoid his name He is not a good man, let alone a friend. Take Sri Krishna's scolding of him on the day of his death for proof. Bheeshma was far more restrained in his reproach of Karna, someone else in his place would have been far more severe. Bheeshma said & did what he did because he could see clearly how Karna was damaging Duryodhana. Karna's fault is his bitterness about his past, and through that outlook he always claimed victimhood anytime he was slighted. For contrast, look at Sri Krishna's life, which has so many parallels with Karna, and Sri Krishna actually had way more worse of a background and upbringing than Karna!! And yet, we see how Sri Krishna handled all his problems and hurdles. He in fact takes Karna through these in proper detail in the battlefield. Suta caste folk were higher caste back then, heck Virat Raj (whose kingdom Pandavas moved to during their last year in exile) and his dynasty was a Suta lineage. His only virtue was generosity, but that could not help him since he engaged in apatra dana a lot. Out of victimhood mentality arises grandiose demonstrations (to prove a point to the 'evil' world) such as hasty charity. Like charity to Kunti of her 4 sons, and giving Indra his armors EVEN AFTER HIS OWN FATHER tells him not to. What was the necessity of such apatra daana? They are not virtuous deeds, but are devoid of merit. If you want to enter into the rabbit hole later alterations, then any & every event is a fair game for that claim, hell some say his giving Kunti boon that he'll spare 4 pandavas & other things were later additions to boost up his image. So dear friend, let's either take the entire 100,000 verses as is, or let's call the entire 100,000 verses as altered. Even Shakuni disliked Karna (since he egged on Duryodhana for war even after having his behind handed to him by Arjuna in battle of Virat Go Grahana), that's how much of a bad man Karna had become before the war that a villain also dislikes him!
@@aryandesai9144 Thanks man for writing the truth , as some people are hellbent on proving karna wrong . Karna was neither a saint nor a beast . Danveer karna , Maharathi karna etc these names are not given to just anybody and no one can argue about the authenticity of such titles given to him .
@@aditya-rt4zb bro... mujhe lagta hai k ye raat ke dusre pahar ki baat kar rhe hai.....din may 4 pahar hote hai aur raat may char.....total 8....so it could be 6 th pahar.....mujhe bhi thoda search karne pe pta chala...par main agyani hu......thik thik nai pta....ma'am ki baato se lga....and she said that may b krishna implied may b not....kuch fix nai.....but if shasti kale means raat ka dusra pahar i.e din k char pahar plus raat k 2 pahar....tho fir mid night hoga....par pta nai yr...kisi jankar se hi puchna chahiye
@Aman Jha Firstly, in the Hindu calendars/almanac, the day starts with sunrise, not 12 o'clock midnight. Also, given that there were 8 preher/peher, it means that 6th peher of the day will be in the night. However, sashthi kaalam (kaale) cannot be equated with peher. So, we need more information to understand the sashthi kaalam reference. Edit: check the panchangam, if you have in your home. You will notice that the local sunrise is always mentioned.
Oh boy if Varnaashram system was to be based on intellectaul or muscle power, then Shudra would have highest status having the greatest musle powers and all Rishies would have been Brahmins, which was not the case. Ved Vyas and majority of Rishies were not Brahmins. Power wheather in Mahabharata or now reamins the ability to influence, shape. mould, move, change or stop changes the society. Therefore the activitties or Karma vipaka of the class / caste gets clasified according to the power exercise over society.
She is far better than Devdutt patnaik
Aare yaar kiska name le liya 😂😂
@@amanprasad1345 devu ka liya hai 🤣
Chor ka
She knows the spirit of Dharma. DP is messed up in spirit, mind AND body.
True!
Naam Liya bhi toh kiska!🤣😅
I am so grateful for the BR Chopra's Mahabharat. There are other versions but I will always watch this version. A very interesting discussion. Good luck for the book 👍🏼
Kindly go through manusmriti for types of marriages and the role of woman and man in marriage
@@pradeepmamgain2074 Why????
हम सब जितना अधिक संस्कृत शब्दों का प्रयोग करेंगे उतना ही हम सभी भारतीय भाषाओं के निकट हो जाएंगे, बोलने में भी और समझने में भी।
14:47, talking about south, When Pandavas escape from Wax house, they travelled to south. There are many archeological evidences in Chikkamagaluru and Hassan districts of karanataka regarding this. And I don't find many temples for Draupadi in North, in south it is very common.
Because peaceful community demolished all old temples in last 800 years
@@sgsg2336 Invaders from outside destroyed and forcibly converted. It is absolutely foolish to take potshots at others.
because of fanatic islamists
Oooh. Interesting
there is 0 archaeological evidence that stands up to academic rigour.
Good job Ami. For a young girl like you taking up reading our ancient texts, analysing and interpreting it is a huge achievement. Bless you and may you achieve higher buddhi.
Really enjoyed the discussion. Again, very happy to see Ami here. First time I heard her speak. Will def buy the book too. 👍🏼
I have a lot of questions now, but will wait till I read her book & the Mahabharata book reading. This will be exciting! 😊
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Agreed...Ami has a beautiful and fresh dimension of thought towards our great epic...first thing to do before reading Mahabharta would be to always remind urself that it is our "Itihasa" which is told in a poetic form...think of all the characters as Humans...then wen u read it, u feel ur reading an encyclopedia on philosophy, relationships, karthavya, bravery, dharma and what not...If u are interested u could join me in reading Mahabharta, the Kisari Mohan Ganguli version( the best unabridged translation of Mahabharata) by following my youtube channel "Vedascool"
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P.S.Though I have not put my opinions in my video and am narrating the stories as it has been told in the text, yet the bliss of reading the book first hand is unmatched.It leaves u in total awe of our great culture and history.😊.All the best on your journey of knowing Mahabharata.
@@vedascool6099 I think BORI version is most authentic
@@sarvathavicharsheel7487 As BORI version was worked on by a team of scholars for years together, yes it seems more authentic.But then a lot of stories and instances are omitted in BORI version stating the reason of interpolation. Plus the English translation of BORI version by Bibekji has been told to have mistakes in translation.KMG version is freely available online and though it is in victorian English and hence a bit difficult to read, yet I felt it to be more feasible than BORI Version( totally my opinion alone).Translation are always having a flip side.Nothing is as good or authentic as reading in sanskrit.Anyways, the most important thing I feel , is we the young generation take interest in knowing our ancient texts in whichever possible way.
I really appreciate ur opinion though, Thank you🙏
Very informative and inspiring conversation. The passion and knowledge of the author Ami is admirable
I have pre ordered and reading it now... Ami has done phenomenal job. Thanks Ami for such an insight full book, where we learn to look deep...
Glad my grandfather told us the stories of our Ithihasas. Love Ami’s discourse on this. Will be reading the book
I don't have words to describe the beauty of podcast.
Each topic she has explained very well.
I watched complete video🤗.
Going to read this book now.👍👍
Amazing Discussion.. Amiji has so much clarity in her research..
Nilesh oak is already on the journey to date the Mahabharata. His dating needs to be critically discussed with similar researchers. I saw that there was at least one such discussion.
Kushal is not convinced of Nilesh Oak's work. (I find it interesting though). I find tying Sanauli to Mahabharatha timing seems illogical. It might make sense only if someone proves that Sanaulis's chariot belonged to one of the Mahabharatha characters, which is very hard.
Sky orientation, archeology evidence from Dwaraka are the right proofs. That way Nilesh Oak's work is more credible than Kushal's favorite theory of Talageri.
When you look at a verse on one hand... compare it with a simulation on the other hand... and then ask yourself: How do i interpret this verse to make it fit with the simulation... the end result is not objective testing as Nilesh Oak claims. This is the very opposite of "objective". It could have been objective if we had objective rules to determine (or predict) what the simulation should look like purely by reading the verses and then test our predictions against the simulation. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be possible.
His dates appeal to his followers (in most cases) because of jingoism and wishful thinking. The best estimate of the Mahabharata war is 1000 to 900 bce. As per Puranas, five generations after the war, there was the flood of Hasthinapur in 800 bce, for which we have archeological evidence.
@@indieboy1033 I wouldn't put Mr Talageri and Oak in the same book. Mr Talageri is actually a genuine scholar. He has spent literally years doing a linguistic analysis of the Rig Veda, and hasn't just given his own opinions, but consulted the existing scholarship on linguistics, citing Western scholars from the 19th century to the present. His analysis is in fact irrefutable -- and let me tell you why ---he is using the Western linguists analysis itself. They have done the work and proven through linguistic analysis that the Rig Veda books were composed at different times. We know books 2-6 were the old books, and 1, 5(half way between old and new), 8 and 9 and 10 are the new books. This was already known for the last 200 years, but what he has done which nobody else did was analyse the vocabulary and identify which words were new and old and which period in Vedic chronology they fit in. For example, the word "Raat" which we all take to be night today, was "Nakt" in the old books. The word Raat is therefore a new word that the old composers were not aware of. Nobody disagrees with this, even the Western scholars.
But Talageri has taken his much further and using the Western scholars own research proven irrefutably not only were the old composers not aware of the word for "Night" they were not aware of the words for camel or goat, or spoked wheel until the stage of the new books. What conclusion does this lead to? The Rig Vedic people never entered India through the West on horse driven chariots, otherwise they would have known goats, camels or spoked wheel chariots. Instead, he has proven conclusively the Rig Vedic people originated as settled cultures in the East in Haryana and gradually moved Westwards as they expanded.
He has further shown through analysis of the words, even the metre used, that the vocabulary that the Avesta(Persians) and the Mittanis in 2000BCE have common with the Rig Veda, is only in the new books. So this leads to only one conclusion: The Persians and Mittanis were later-Vedic migrants. Therefore, he has proven, at least linguistically and textually, Out of India theory. Not a single Western linguistic has tried to refute him. But Indian scholars, I mean genuine ones, all appreciate the power of his work. He literally is the first linguist from the OIT camp.
@Vizads RagnaRyuuk The search for the "true" Rigvedic Sarasvati maybe like chasing a mirage. (Hint: read about Aredvi Sura Anahita). Also, whatever Mahabharata tirtha manual describes is still visible today. The Sarasvati (Ghaggar) dries up in the vinshana, and rises again in the Aravali hills (if I remeber correctly). Its a tributary of Luni called Sarsuti. MHBH says it then "joins other rivers going seawards" which is still the case.
Thanks Kushal and Ami for this podcast. B R Chopra Mahabharat has definitely portrayed Draupadi and Yudhishthir in bad light. Where as Siddharth Tiwari has portrayed Satyavati, Madri and few other characters in bad light.
Great great great session
Mahabharat just brings on brilliant discussion if the people discussing are not prejudiced and sensible
Such an interesting podcast! Will definitely buy her book and recommend it 👍😊Ty Kushal and Ami 🙏
Please teach about Mahabharata to Russian people also
Bhai S400 kab bhejega
Sputnik k 5 dose bhej diyo bhai
@@granth2182 😂😂😂 ye sala ghapla na karde
Now, when are you preaching Mahabharata in Russia?
Thank you. Enjoyed the discussion. Will buy the book and read
Great podcast as always
Going to buy this book
I am grateful to Ami ji who pointed out this significant part of Mahabharata that Yudhishthira conquered entire India. 🙏🙏
It tells India was united even before the Mauryans
Yudhistira sounds like Rajnath Singh. He is sharp and knows how to convince. Perhaps Yudhistir's diplomatic brains, listening etc were better than others.
Mahabharata is not proven history yet so wait before commenting.
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs there is no historical proof of mountains being lifted by a being called krishna. But the hisoric events mythicised in the Mahabharata are estimated to have happenned around 1500 bc. If western historicism were to be applied seriously and impartially, then there is no proof of jesus and pythagorus either
@@surajs5913 50% of western population is atheist. Most western scientists don't believe in god.Pythagoras is not god. Why you bring him here in this discussion.
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs because lack of empirical proof ought not be mistook for denial. Arguments, even atheist arguments should not be bound by historicism, and discussions should be equally valid and justifiable even in the event that mythicised history is partly true.
Loved the podcast, I would recommend people to watch Sadhguru's version of Mahabharata, just to get a different perspective. It a complete series available on TH-cam.
Sadguru is a fraud
What's version? Vyasa's Mahabharat is original and people should learn that . It's not a literature or story that ,it will hv it's versions, It's Itihaas or history. Read BORI , that's it.
yes will defi hear sadjgurus version on youtube.
Please have her on the podcast more often
Purchased the book. Looking forward to reading it. This was a very interesting discussion with lots of insight. Thanks 😊
I liked most of the things in this podcast except when Kushal completely brushed aside the question about Divyastra. No question is silly except when people deliberately do it do demean anything.
He could have just explained that the Divyastras are not the same as modern day nuclear weapons.
So whoever asked the question, here is my understanding regarding the topic.
Ashwathama created a divyastra from just a straw and by chanting mantras. In order to be capable of doing so, the warriors used to do Tapasya by chanting specific mantras millions of times. In vedas, there is mention of such astras and the mantras.
Please sit somewhere with a piece of straw and chant "Brahmastra" millions of times and then do live podcast and prove it to the entire world.
Kuch bhi?
@@RajSingh-xn8qd seems like you didn't understood what I wrote in the first place. Please go through several more times to understand it. Also, this forum is not to start fight but to understand our ancient scriptures. What I mentioned earlier was that the description of such astras and brahmastras are mentioned in great detail in our vedas. Whether they work or not or wheteher someone believes or not is an entirely different thing. Apart from Brahmastra, there is agneya astra, varuna astra, naga astra, vayu astra, surya astra, vajra astra, mohini astra, narayan astra, pashupat astra and many more. These names were not made up by me. Please do some research on them and I am sure you will find the details.
@@RajSingh-xn8qd 100% , if you sit with a straw and chant , nothing is gonna happen other than the straw drying off.If there is existence of nuclear bombs today, then there were divyastras in the lore days...u believe it or not...the chanting of mantras etc might only be a preparatory method for the warrior to be capable of bringing his mind and body together to be able to create such an extraordinary weapon...dont dismiss something without even giving it a thought...
@@sunithack8808 Magical thinking
@@RajSingh-xn8qd yours is woke and dumb thinking
Kushal, we can do without your condescension towards some of the questions. Let the guest answer them without prejudice.
He does not that
no, pushpak vimana, advanced technology flying vehicles and nukes and cell phone type questions SHOULD be laughed at and shamed
gyan receivers far less than SSS meme reviews... still Kushal.. its gold... so thanks keep the torch alight.. keep walking brother
I don’t know who has this misconception that south India has nothing to do in Mahabharata. In remote villages we will find places where Pandavas visited , in outskirts of Bangalore you have Mallikarjuna temple , linga is termed Mallikarjuna becos Arjun did penance amd orayed to this linga to get the Pashupathastra , he used Mallika flowers to adorn the lord , hence the name . The temple still exists. You have caves where they stayed during vanwas , you have the place where Bakasur lived in Chintamani . There is a place called Bakasur bandi even today to represent this incident . Similarly so many stories of different places you find in south India .
it's a periyarist political game in TN politics that's why.
She is very learned.
Great discussion Kushal bhaiya and Ami ji. Will definitely buy the book 🙌
This is the best episode for me on this channel.
I had read lot of Mahabharata was based on Shivaji Sawants books (Radhey, Yugandhar). Pankaj Dhir who played Karna in an interview said he was given Shivaji Sawant Novels and his character is based on that
Their is a story of a king from Udupi... who cooked for pandavas....
madam u explain very beautifully, thanks for that
Excellent Podcast!
Great job Ami.. will want to read the book.. making Gujrati p4oud 👍
Making every BHARATIYA proud
Thank you, Ami will definitely buy the book.
maza aa gya podcast dekh ke
A request to Kushal to improve the audio quality of the podcast and recording experience.
Loved the podcast ❤️
Thankyou Madam, for this Bhagiirath prayatna. It will help the young generation to get back to their roots.
कदाचित मैं एमी जी की पुस्तक को खरीदूंगा। 😄🙏
Consider inviting nilesh oak. His research is substantial regarding indic literature/ ithihasa
I think the most upto date research has been done by Saroj Bala ma'am.
@Devvrat Mishra To be precise the year was 5114 BCE of the birth year of Ram and hence the beginning of Ramayana. The book I'm recommending covers the evidence from archaeology, palaeobotany, geography, oceanography, genetic studies, and remote sensing methods. Go read the book. Close minds have opinions not reality. Never close the possibility of anything.
@Devvrat Mishra Also I never quote Ram setu as an evidence becoz proper research needs to be done around it now that we know it's a man made structure. Might be one of the first we know. So automatically the question arises who built it? If they had capability of building bridges so sophisticated then they had knowledge system? This would have begun from a date before the construction of bridge. So there was a level of civilization achieved.How long that group started civilizing? From which part it was? What time it was built?
@Devvrat Mishra Ramayana Retold with scientific Evidence by Saroj Bala.
For Mahabharat it's Mahabharath retold with scientific evidence by Saroj Bala
Couple of things. Through out the history,,, Not all Brahmins are elite,, There are poor Brahmins as well... Kshatriyas is a changing class, meaning Kshatriyas in 1500 AD may have no relation to Kshatriyas in 5 AD since kingdoms rise and fall with the rise of kingdoms new classes are formed... The Rajputs of today rose to prominence due to their support of Mughals, Rajputs served under Mughals,, Same for Traders as well and same for Shudras as well.. I
Entire Service sector, Hospitality, Industries, Lawyers, Doctors, MSME etc come under Shudra which makes them the most productive section of the society.
To be a real Bharmin you must first take the vow of poverty
@@pranavpiyush8093 Shudra term is the most confused term,, For example: There have been Jaat kings but most of the Jaats are agriculturalist but they also serve as soldiers for Jaat kings so does it make Jaats as Kshatriyas or Shudras, Neither.. Realistically there needs to be more research on Class in Indian society.. As far as I can tell the line between the class/communities was so thin that shudras can easily become Kshatriyas and Kshatriyas can become Shudras... Also this varna classification cannot be applied now at all... Also regarding doctors and others... If a doctor is self employed then he is Vaishya but if same doctor works for a bigger clinic then doctor is shudra but still doctor is a doctor and very important occupation is society,.. So these Varna classification are nothing more than theory which got rigid under British rule
@@veerapandyan8403 exactly, it proves Varna Vyavastha was very flexible. It was just division of labor & change of role was allowed.
Nonsense genetics prove otherwise .
One show like this on Valmiki Ramayana also.
आमि जी को संस्कृत के शब्दों का प्रयोग करते देख कर अच्छा लगा कि अंग्रेजी लेखक होने के बाद भी ऐसा कर रही हैं।
she's writing about a sanskrit text, so what do you expect?
This is the book I was looking for even before you started writing 😀. Anyway...to add to the discussion of polygamy at around 38 mins in the podcast, the mahabharata has very clearly defined it. Atleast the ganguly version has. A brahmin man can mary a woman from any of the 4 varnas, a kshtriya can mary a woman of his own caste or a vaishye or a shudra woman. Similarly a vashye man can mary vashye or shudra women. And the shudra could mary only a shudra.
@Aman Jha it is both. It also talks about marrying multiple women.
23:00 I am shocked, does this narrative exist! I never have encountered in my life so far.
Fascinating speaker
Very Nice session. Good to hear you Ami
Kushal, Telugu people don't have any taboo against Mahabharata. We have a saying " tinte gaarelu tinali, vinte Bharatam vinaali" which means " gaarelu ( a vada like item) are the best among foods, likewise Mahabharata is for listening. "
Duryodhana is my favourite Mahabharata figure. That is all.
Nice choice 🤣🤣
yes, a very interesting and humanly flawed character
Great talks
Love how naturally and organically she uses sanskrit - kadachit
It's used commonly in Marathi 👍
@@dey9293 Because Sanskrit is the mother of Indo Aryan languages..
Thanks!
- Rukmi & Rukmini were from Mahishmati Andhra/ Telangana of today.
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Mahishmati kingdom was in Madhya Pradesh .not in Andhra , correct yourself
@@amanprasad1345 when we say kingdom it would have spread into Telangana as well
@@austin426512 no brother . Telangana was a different kingdom named assaka
They were from Vidharbha not from Mahishmati
Mahishmati is around north-eastern part ( around Bihar)
Which present printed Mahabharata would be the closest to the original Ved Vayas manuscript?
Ami thank you for this session , ❤️
Amazing!
Great discussion but I request you to please speak a lot in English so that those who do not know Hindi will also be able to learn from such enlightening shows. Thank you 😊🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
it's mostly in English tbf
There are three versions of the Mahabharata : Jaya , Bharata and Mahabharata . Dr. Sukthankar's critical edition is the authenti c edition . As such , a scholar should confine himself/herself to the text written by Vyasa and not the enlarged ones . Vaishampayana enlarged The Jaya from 8840 shlokas to 26000 and the enlargement continued till it reached about 96000 or nearly so . 🙏
These r not versions of the book. These r somewhat parts of the great epic. The original text is Jaya (Victory) which is story of 18 days of war. Bharat means progeny of King Bharat. So history of Bharat Clan with War makes a great epic Mahabharat.
there are multiple versions of the MAHABHARATA. nobody is talking about the shorter subset versions you've mentioned
Kauravas went to heaven bcuz as a kshatriya they did their duty by fighting on the battlefield and ultimately dieing there
Where as pandavas lived a long lavish comfortable life after winning the war
Hence, did live like a kshatriya for the major part of their life.
Incorrect English translations of words:
- Yagya = Fire Offering NOT "sacrifices" or "horse sacrifice"
- Raj Bhavan = King's Quarter NOT "King's Apartment"
- Varna = Role you play in the society NOT "caste"
- Dharma = Ethical behavior based on the Varna/role you are playing NOT "righteousness"
- Karma = Karma NOT "actions"
- Vanara = Primate Humanoid (Nara=Human) NOT "monkey"
etc.
Vanara is van=forest+nara=man.... forest dweller. The vanaras were human beings living in the forest who used to wear masks and attach tails of animals they revered...including monkeys and bears.
Dharma comes from dhri ....that which upholds. It refers to ethical behavior and is independant of varna.
if you think aparment and quarter mean diferent things in the context, your english is lacking.
I’m buying the book 📕
Interesting
its amazing tht in th present age of mutants +genetic engg we indians r still stuck in a rut abt northindia +southindia
Those people who argue for human rights of terrorists are same as Duryadhana... they will do adharma and when they have to pay for their wrong deeds will talk about Dharma... these views get crystal clear when you study Mahabharata...
Ami ganatra 🛐
I think Shashtekaale infers to the 6th year that Draupadi would spend with Karna if he switches sides and becomes the elder brother of Pandavas.
Very Good... 🙏♾️💗
ISKCON's version is the most imaginary
Also watch Peter Brooks Mahabharat.
A 1980s version totally uninfluenced by BR Chopra.
6th prahar is around 11-12 at night what a two people will do at 12 o'clock night is quite common sense
Other people: I'm on Arjun's/Karan's side because...........(proceeds to write a whole essey).
Me: I'm on Arjun's side because he's litrally my surname.
I am follower of Advaita Vedanta Soo for me both Arjun and karna are same 😁😁
@@ishanchakraborty1590 same, but Arjun gets a plus 1 point and wins because.......you guessed it......my fucking surname.
@Devvrat Mishra idk man you're not on my name so idk 🤷 (in a sane world people would automatically see this as satire, but in case someone is not, it is).
@Devvrat Mishra I take back what I said we technically have the same name you cool af.
@Devvrat Mishra tbf he was the biggest thot slayer in the series but god damm it was a bad decision to never to get horny in life...
Do not interpret Religious books in English ever else you would land into meaningless of religious books..
Interpret Hindu religious books always in it's own original native sanskrit language..
Who will be the readers ?? Those who knowns Sanskrit they will read original
Mahabharata, they don’t need to read again . And most people don’t known Sanskrit , then who are her readers ?? For whom is she writing ??
This is the most stupidest comment ever.....Ramayan reached every household when it was translated by Tulasi Das in the common language of that time.
Tulsidas ji ko ye updesh dena bhool gaye aap
lol what, you say this while using english. what a tool.
Yeh book Hindi mein available hai?
Hindi version available?
22.30 min ACK and TV shows kept Mahabharat in discussion
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do you talk about the lesser known facts in Vyasas Mahabharata ..like stories of Santanu/ Daksha etc the ancestry of the pandavas and kauravas and the yadavs?
Check out this collection of Shantanu stories as told in Kisari Mohan Ganguli's unabridged translation of Mahabharata:
th-cam.com/play/PLSxkYE3xt4WwF4PqaDylsAMNEiTPyZZz-.html
Stories of Devyani, Sharmishta and Yayati:
th-cam.com/play/PLSxkYE3xt4WzUcL59kbwdRvqwCdkUlpZG.html
Link to a few rare stories in Mahabharata:
th-cam.com/play/PLSxkYE3xt4WzVPcykk8_07N8SBjQiEvI2.html
U can follow Vedascool to read Mahabharta with us(as told in K.M.Ganguli translation) by subscribing to the link below:
th-cam.com/channels/HYxMQfx-tHUleWDYAEKErA.html
U can also find K.M.Ganguli's translation online in a website called "Sacred Texts".Reading Mahabharata and understanding each character is an eye opening and intellectually enriching experience.All the best👍
Live in today does disassociate with responsibility. If mutually broken without consequences, it's okay, but it's near impossible. I think this is a reason not recognizing it legally.
Hopefully you’ll invite Manish Pandit to discuss Mahabharata and Astrology in future
I miss you on tsss
1:21:27, You need to reinvent yourself. Science and technological developments happens and perish along with civilization. How do you think all these great Hindu temples are built. what do you think about Vimana shastras which British and Germans stole from India and constructed airplanes?. Watch Praveen Mohan's videos for better understanding.
There was no Vimana shastra. The so-called Vimana shastra you are referring too is an early 20th century book which claims to be received through telepathic contact with the ghost of Bharajwaj. Are you surprised, it is not taken seriously by scientists?
@@RajSingh-xn8qd Ancient knowledge are never documented in written form like west. They were verbally taught. Nasa had studied the text and developed a concept of mercury vortex engine based on it.
Santosh Kumar; It is a complete myth. Indians can hide behind Shastra as much they wish but the fact is India never built any viman that flew. Yes, Indians invented Hanuman, a monkey that is claimed to fly without wings across Bharat. Aeronautically absurd and false. Satyemeva Jayete.
@@SanthoshKumar-pp7mq; It is an absurd and false claim without any evidence NASA studied any Indian text, verbal or written.
@@prosantomukerji3931 do some research on Google, you will find out your self. Don't depend on others opinion.
The entire thing about degrading Draupadi's character is only because of the inability of a large majority of men to handle a strong woman like her
Pretty generic simplistic perspective. Apparently the view of Indian man in Kerala and Manipur is the same on Darupadi.
It's a fictional tale; a scathing statement on Indian men, based on it shows your resentment for them.
Are muslims ,dalit and adivasi men are also included
I have listened such comments about white Christians men too but when ever blacks and Muslims men are brought up all I hear is racist and Islamophobe.
@@harshr9185 Not really, even in the tale as you would call it, it is men who couldn't handle her who had a problem with her. Now, whether it is fiction or not is a debate of its own. Even in today's society, many men can't handle a strong woman. I am not generalizing, but most can't and that's the truth.
@@ravishingravi I am from Kerala myself. Men in Kerala are no better. In fact, I have found men in states like Gujarat, Tamil Nadu and West Bengal to be more progressive. Again, not generalizing, but a personal experience
Karna WAS A CLASS ONE ROUGE, at a minimum he was world's first 'misogynist'!! Please, please please read Vyasa Mahabharata folks! He was NEVER discriminated for caste as demonstrated by Ami in this podcast, but also he was the worst friend anyone could have!! Duryodhana goes for war based on Karna's promise that he will fight & decimate the pandavas, and then when the war starts, Karna fumes at Bheeshma and sits in his tent declaring he will not fight till Bheeshma is dead...!!! i.e. Karna did not enter the battlefield for 10 out of 18 days of the war!! Is that what a good friend does? Forget a 'good' friend, is that what a friend would even do???? It was on his instigation to get Draupadi also to court that Duryodhana drags Draupadi in he rmenses cycle to the court and orders disrobing her in the dice game!! Read Vyasa Mahabharat and understand the rogue that he is. Please KNOW PEOPLE IF YOU ARE NAMING YOUR KIDS ON THIS ROUGE'S NAME, YOU ARE NAMING YOUR CHILDREN AFER A MISOGYNST AND A 'FRIEND' WHO STABBED HIS FRIEND IN THE BACK!
"Misogynist" Karna also humbly and politely speaks to Kunti unlike what is shown in Serials and grants her the boon of sparing 4 Pandavas without asking. Scholars have argued that the stripping incident is a later addition based on it not being referenced at critical places where it should have been referenced and also based on the structure of the shlokas. He was not discriminated to the degree TV serials show, but he was still discriminated. The celestial weapon knowledge was available only to Brahmanas and Kshatriyas as stated in Shanti Parva and Karna was denied that. Marriages with lower Varna man and upper Varna woman were considered Pratiloma , ie unholy. Suta was the product of such marriage between Kshatriya and Brahmana. That doesn't mean he was a "general" category as per today's norm. Sutas were meant to be servants of Kshatriyas, as Shalya mentions in Karna Parva. Bhima compared sutas to dogs in the tournament. Ami tries justify it by saying it's Karna's fault for gatecrashing but 2 wrongs don't make a right. And the tension between Bhishma and Karna wasn't because of a single insult from Bhishma, but it was a result of years of insults from Bhishma who admitted that they were planned by him to sap his energy. Lastly this "rogue's" death is mourned by nature itself as everything is agitated and the gods and gandharvas lament his death. Karna literally has a name for being virtuous 'Vrisha'. Even when Drona is insulting Karna in Udyoga Parva he calls him generous. Karna is not a total saint, but is still a good man with flaws.
@@aryandesai9144 His being a misogynst is the all the reason one should avoid his name He is not a good man, let alone a friend. Take Sri Krishna's scolding of him on the day of his death for proof. Bheeshma was far more restrained in his reproach of Karna, someone else in his place would have been far more severe. Bheeshma said & did what he did because he could see clearly how Karna was damaging Duryodhana. Karna's fault is his bitterness about his past, and through that outlook he always claimed victimhood anytime he was slighted. For contrast, look at Sri Krishna's life, which has so many parallels with Karna, and Sri Krishna actually had way more worse of a background and upbringing than Karna!! And yet, we see how Sri Krishna handled all his problems and hurdles. He in fact takes Karna through these in proper detail in the battlefield. Suta caste folk were higher caste back then, heck Virat Raj (whose kingdom Pandavas moved to during their last year in exile) and his dynasty was a Suta lineage. His only virtue was generosity, but that could not help him since he engaged in apatra dana a lot. Out of victimhood mentality arises grandiose demonstrations (to prove a point to the 'evil' world) such as hasty charity. Like charity to Kunti of her 4 sons, and giving Indra his armors EVEN AFTER HIS OWN FATHER tells him not to. What was the necessity of such apatra daana? They are not virtuous deeds, but are devoid of merit. If you want to enter into the rabbit hole later alterations, then any & every event is a fair game for that claim, hell some say his giving Kunti boon that he'll spare 4 pandavas & other things were later additions to boost up his image. So dear friend, let's either take the entire 100,000 verses as is, or let's call the entire 100,000 verses as altered. Even Shakuni disliked Karna (since he egged on Duryodhana for war even after having his behind handed to him by Arjuna in battle of Virat Go Grahana), that's how much of a bad man Karna had become before the war that a villain also dislikes him!
@@aryandesai9144 Thanks man for writing the truth , as some people are hellbent on proving karna wrong . Karna was neither a saint nor a beast . Danveer karna , Maharathi karna etc these names are not given to just anybody and no one can argue about the authenticity of such titles given to him .
27:12 Dushyant be like gajab bezzati hai bare darbar mai bc suar bol gayi yeh kanya
Shasti kale matlab din ka kaunsa tym hoga????
Shashte kale, i guess its 6 o clock
@@aditya-rt4zb bro... mujhe lagta hai k ye raat ke dusre pahar ki baat kar rhe hai.....din may 4 pahar hote hai aur raat may char.....total 8....so it could be 6 th pahar.....mujhe bhi thoda search karne pe pta chala...par main agyani hu......thik thik nai pta....ma'am ki baato se lga....and she said that may b krishna implied may b not....kuch fix nai.....but if shasti kale means raat ka dusra pahar i.e din k char pahar plus raat k 2 pahar....tho fir mid night hoga....par pta nai yr...kisi jankar se hi puchna chahiye
@Aman Jha Firstly, in the Hindu calendars/almanac, the day starts with sunrise, not 12 o'clock midnight. Also, given that there were 8 preher/peher, it means that 6th peher of the day will be in the night.
However, sashthi kaalam (kaale) cannot be equated with peher. So, we need more information to understand the sashthi kaalam reference.
Edit: check the panchangam, if you have in your home. You will notice that the local sunrise is always mentioned.
Ami ji, Mahabharat is known as as 10 king war in Iraq, syria.
pn oak chaap
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B R chopra was great for its time no one can't deny it.
Karn was a bhagoda and darpok
You missed Arjun and said Karna, I hope you know that!
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Kushal and Ami - please check Nilesh Oak. He has already done the dating using star references.
has he clarified which version, and been able to distinguish interpolations and obvious aberrations?
Mene ami mam ki Vaad chanel pe dekha tha
Vaha pe jyada acha laga mujhe
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Subhadra marriage with Arjun.
Cousin marriage what is your take on this ?
not uncommon in ancient times. at least second cousin onwards.
Oh boy if Varnaashram system was to be based on intellectaul or muscle power, then Shudra would have highest status having the greatest musle powers and all Rishies would have been Brahmins, which was not the case. Ved Vyas and majority of Rishies were not Brahmins. Power wheather in Mahabharata or now reamins the ability to influence, shape. mould, move, change or stop changes the society. Therefore the activitties or Karma vipaka of the class / caste gets clasified according to the power exercise over society.
Definitely just not north! Krishna's dwarka was gujarat! N dats west!?
@Devvrat Mishra Brihadbala was a descendant of Shri Ram.. right?
Draupadi could not wait for Arjuna to marry so she could be free.
She will marry the 6th one for same reason she married 4 others.
OMG! The same old ELITES versus NON-ELITE gibberish!
Arjun aur ulupi ka bhi gandhrav style main shaadi Hua.