@@CarsWithSteve I do have a question about the massage seats. Do you have to get the 30 way for the massage seats? The Explorer ST has massagers so I would think all Aviators would?
You need to get the 30 way to get the massage seats. It’s interesting what they didn’t choose to carry over into the Explorer. An Explorer with air suspension could be interesting off-road..
I bought a new Aviator in February. I have watched SO many videos. This is, by far, the most comprehensive and easiest to understand video I've watched. I will be going out to sit in the car and fiddle with it. You've explained several things that have stumped me. Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words Ann and I'm glad the video has helped you! I covered off the majority of things but if there's anything you want some clarification on, let me know. Is this your first time owning a Lincoln?
@@CarsWithSteve First Lincoln. Gift to myself. It certainly lives up to the hype. I've had it less than a month, my son-in-law was driving it and a deer hit the side of it! Waiting on a new driver's side door. Aaarrgh. I will definitely contact you with questions! Thanks.
@@annbrown4110 Great to hear it's your first Lincoln and you're enjoying it so far. What are the odds that happens?! Hopefully everyone is ok and you get the car back soon to enjoy it!
@@CarsWithSteve Getting ready to visit kids in Denver, driving up from here in southwest Colorado. Coming home over Wolf Creek Pass, we normally would put our car in low coming down the very steep west slope of the mountain to keep from riding the brake. How should I do that for the Aviator?
@@annbrown4110 The Aviator doesn't have a low gear. You do have the option of setting Hill Descent Control for downhill slopes between 3-20 mph (5-32 km/h). It'll hold the vehicle at the selected top speed so that you can focus on the steering wheel.
Currently waiting on mine. I got the 2022 reserve. I’ve watched so many videos but this is the best so far, makes me much more excited. You really helped me understand all the features, will come back and do a refresh once my car is delivered. Thx!
That's exciting, you'll love the reserve model! Thanks so much, glad that the video helped you learn a few things. Let me know if you have any questions!
Viewed a few times now. Awesome Job as I am waiting for my car to be built this has definitely helped me not feel so overwhelmed with all the functions of this car. Thank you for a great job.
@Cars With Steve can you also make a drive review video? really wanna see a drive video of the 2022 aviator when it's out Q4 this year. and subbed for more lincoln and ford video's 👌
Yes! Drive reviews are back this week, Aviator drive video I believe is going live late April! Breaking into a few other OEMs as well, Audi may be one of them ;)
Can you tell me about the warranty and if its a book like the others books that comes with the vehicle. Also more info on the extended warranty about. thanks
In a nutshell.. the basic is 4 year 70,000 miles and 6 year 110,000 powertrain. You get Lincoln Roadside assistance for the lifetime that you own the vehicle as the original owner. Extended warranty is all over the place for what's included, number of kms/years of coverage, number of service appts etc. Best bet is to talk with the finance manager when you are getting quoted on one
When your climate is turned on press the AC button again and it'll come back on. If you've tried pressing multiple times and A/C still works then the bulb is broken burnt out. If there's no A/C then there's something else up. Mention it the next time your vehicle is serviced
re Navigation -- any means of entering latitude and longitude figures to locate when travelling without knowing the actual address? Also while the headlights turn with the steering, do they also self level so that they aim at the road and not the sky when travelling up a hill? Nice to see if one were to opt for the 6/7 seater that there is sufficient room for people and not simply children to fit in the 3rd row unlike most vehicles. Can enter/exit seat position be set to not lower for we old goats who have difficulty extricating themselves from low seats. One of the most significant aspects for my MKX purchase -- easier to just plop onto the seat and swing legs in and the reverse when departing the vehicle. Have to love the self parking particularly for the elderly that can have shoulder issues and not rotate the steering wheel as readily as once upon a time for parking parallel or backup up vertical. Sometimes it is very difficult to park in tighter areas by going front in rather than reverse. Is Lincoln also offering a printed user manual? Beside the park assist, the hidden rear wiper is one of the best items offered and wish that it was offered on the Nautilus as I prefer it's shorter size which fits the garage better. TIA
Thanks for all the great questions! Yes you can use lat/long to search for an address if you don't know the physical address you're traveling to. Adaptive headlamps will bend with the turn. Easy entry/exit will automatically lower the seats when the car is turned off or when you go to enter and then you can use a preset to bring it back to your set position! The Aviator does have a Dynamic Handling Package which will actually lower the vehicle when you go to enter and exit to make getting inside easier. The Park Assist is great! In the video I only covered perpendicular but it can also help with parallel park in and out. The printed manual is stil there right now but when the vehicle moves to Sync4 it will be a digital manual accessilbe directly through the media screen. There always is the option of viewing the manual online which is acessible through the link below: owner.lincoln.com/tools/account/how-tos/owner-manuals.html Let me know if you have any other questions!
@@CarsWithSteve what I was trying to know was if one could keep the vehicle from lowering when you are ready to enter so I assume that from what you said it is the action on opening the door that will raise the vehicle. As one gets older the knees don`t work so well and thus it is easier to enter and exit from a more upright position compared to the way one would enter a sedan. Too bad it was not shown how to enter coordinates as I have not found one on the MKX Limited Edition but maybe I have missed it and mine is also a 2011 so a bit behind the times lol. I know about the headlights turning with the wheels but also as important is to have them self level so that the beam when going up hill in the dark does not light the stars but stays lighting the road in front. I drove a 1969 Citroen DS 19 Pallas which offered this and had done so since 1955 and so far across to our side of the pond has taken a long time to catch up to the best car ever built. Before I ever test drive a vehicle I try to grab the user manual and learn the vehicle as particularly current vehicles are rather full of tech that has to be learned to be comfortable. Often one can do a google maps search for a location and get the coordinates but not necessarily the other info and sometime the info is provided by a business etc without a street or number location so it is good to be able to use that info. Sometime if you can, grab the Hybrid version and do some tests as to the distance on EV that one can go. Maybe also let folks know in the GTA what charger and pricing of charger and 220 V installation is available. At an old age I have to wonder at the value of changing from an ICE vehicle though. Wish that the Nautilus had gone with hidden rear wiper like the Aviator. The blue with brown interior of the Aviator is very special but I like the size of the Nautilus too and its shape being more like the MKX. Have subscribed as it is nice to see reviewers from the GTA posting to YT. TIA
@@phlotographer The Dynamic Handling Package is optional so if you don't get it there would be no lowering. If you do get it, there's a setting in the Sync3 Media Screen that will allow you to disable the vehicle lowering. Entering the coordinates would simply be entering the digits for lat/long - no different than adding in an address! If you tend to grab a manual before test driving - definitely use that link I sent in the last message. You'll have digital access to it and can read at your convenience. Most OEMs are getting away from printed brochures but you can always find information online or ask a local dealer to mail you a printed copy of the brochure. Hopefully in a Hybrid in the next week or two but from feedback I've heard from existing Aviator Hybrid drivers they are typically getting 30 - 40km on electric only - which will vary depending on your own driving habits. Appreciate the subscribe and support!
@@CarsWithSteve Yes, Steve, that is a big concern as the expense of getting the 220v hookup to the garage and the appropriate charger may easily outweigh any savings for so little range. Now one could simply use regular household but the charge time goes to many a day but might be ok if one sets up the usage much like I do now with monthly trips Costco and local mall for shopping and banking. However, there still is the extra charge involved in the purchase of the vehicle and the fact that there is no rebates available in Ontario.
@@phlotographer The Ford Home Charging Station is $800 US / approx $1,200 CAD - plus the cost of install. That cost would vary depending on the electrician that you have installing it! The 240V charge station cuts charge time from the traditional 240V plug that comes with it by about 35% Wish that Doug Ford would bring back some EV incentives - even on the federal level you can't get the $5,000 EV rebate unless the purchase price is under $50k .. However if you own a business you have the ability to write off the entire capital cost of the vehicle in the first year of ownership
I have an Aviator and my car does not have massage in the driver seat. Is it only on the Black Label model or all Aviators. For 66k you would think it would have this feature.
Hello. Can you help me with my aviator. We ve got no dealership in country, so car were bought from privat person. I can’t add electronic lock on door, cause there is now ticket pwassword on my manual, as it’s should be from manufacture and second one, backseat climat control display is off.
If you don't have the keyless entry password you'd need to reach out to Lincoln Canada or USA (depending on where it was exported from) and try to get the 5 digit pin that way.. Reach out to the seller too in order to find the selling dealer who you can contact directly. As for the backseat display, the first thing to try is: 1. Press the "Rear" button in the center stack. You'll find it in between the driver passenger ventilate seat buttons just under "Menu" 2. Rear climate controls will show up, make sure that the screen is unlocked (bottom right button) and turned on (bottom left button)
@@CarsWithSteve thank you, I will try to get password. What about climate system, I did everything you said, but nothing changed, may be its error, and I need to show it to master. Whatever, thank you for your advices
You're welcome. If that display isn't working at all even if it's showing as on in the main infotainment screen there could be a wiring or module issue
@@CarsWithSteve I had a system in my RV hauler, 2009 Volvo 730, a few years ago. Anytime you got close to the white line on either side it would go off chirping. That was for average lane widths. Going down I 75 during the construction period when the lanes were so narrow, I'd cringe when passing an oncoming HDT for fear the mirrors would crash. In those cases if there were white lines on either side, the device was constantly screaming. If there were no white lines, it would be silent. I had the system removed. Things have evolved but still not able to detect the edge of the road with no white line. Yes, I would like an Aviator but it or they are out of my reach. The hauler carries a Smart car transversely for transportation when at the destination. The Smart was not meant as a daily driver. My 2003 Merc Mountaineer was a good vehicle, V8 etc, that is until a young woman blew thru an intersection and T boned me. Find me a screaming deal. Thanks for the quick response.
It's interesting.. I don't know of any manufacturers where their lane keeping system will work if there are lanes that aren't recognized. The systems still have a bit more to go before true autopilot will work across every type of road. The non stop chirping would drive me nuts so it's great that you were able to disable that feature. Which other cars do you think will be in the running for you now?
That's going to depend on driving habits, city vs highway, towing, payload etc. The Aviator has a 76L (20.2 gallons) tank so if you drive highway/city with combined at 11.9L/100km you should get around 640km per tank
@@CarsWithSteve it is great! We have only had it for a week but the wife and kids all love the new car. My daily drive is a 2016 mustang GT and I enjoy driving both cars equally.
I wouldn't say it's ugly but I do think it could go for an upgrade. It's interesting seeing what some fully digital dash/media screen integrations are starting to look like in the luxury market
Make sure that Welcome Lighting is turned on. In the Sync media screen go to: Settings --> Vehicle --> Lighting and make sure that Welcome Lighting is turned on
The best tutorial on the internet. Overwhelming amount of info, delivered in a smooth way. Thanks!
Best phrasing! You’re welcome!
@@CarsWithSteve I do have a question about the massage seats. Do you have to get the 30 way for the massage seats? The Explorer ST has massagers so I would think all Aviators would?
You need to get the 30 way to get the massage seats. It’s interesting what they didn’t choose to carry over into the Explorer. An Explorer with air suspension could be interesting off-road..
@@CarsWithSteve thanks for the info. It is interesting, and would be interesting!
I bought a new Aviator in February. I have watched SO many videos. This is, by far, the most comprehensive and easiest to understand video I've watched. I will be going out to sit in the car and fiddle with it. You've explained several things that have stumped me. Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words Ann and I'm glad the video has helped you! I covered off the majority of things but if there's anything you want some clarification on, let me know. Is this your first time owning a Lincoln?
@@CarsWithSteve First Lincoln. Gift to myself. It certainly lives up to the hype. I've had it less than a month, my son-in-law was driving it and a deer hit the side of it! Waiting on a new driver's side door. Aaarrgh. I will definitely contact you with questions! Thanks.
@@annbrown4110 Great to hear it's your first Lincoln and you're enjoying it so far. What are the odds that happens?! Hopefully everyone is ok and you get the car back soon to enjoy it!
@@CarsWithSteve Getting ready to visit kids in Denver, driving up from here in southwest Colorado. Coming home over Wolf Creek Pass, we normally would put our car in low coming down the very steep west slope of the mountain to keep from riding the brake. How should I do that for the Aviator?
@@annbrown4110 The Aviator doesn't have a low gear. You do have the option of setting Hill Descent Control for downhill slopes between 3-20 mph (5-32 km/h). It'll hold the vehicle at the selected top speed so that you can focus on the steering wheel.
Currently waiting on mine. I got the 2022 reserve. I’ve watched so many videos but this is the best so far, makes me much more excited. You really helped me understand all the features, will come back and do a refresh once my car is delivered. Thx!
That's exciting, you'll love the reserve model! Thanks so much, glad that the video helped you learn a few things. Let me know if you have any questions!
This is so comprehensive and instructions are just spot on. Great job.
Thanks Robert, glad you enjoyed the video!
One of the most comprehensive reviews I’ve ever seen. Kudos!
Thanks Jessica!
Can't wait for review of Lincoln Aviator hybrid plug-in.
Check in on January 6th 😉
Viewed a few times now. Awesome Job as I am waiting for my car to be built this has definitely helped me not feel so overwhelmed with all the functions of this car. Thank you for a great job.
Wow, great to hear that the video has helped Gabby. You're welcome!
When are you expecting to see your Aviator?
Ok. I need to get some popcorn 🍿. This is as long as a short movie 😉✌️.
Be right back 😅
HAHA so true! If you can handle 2x speed it helps make it a quicker watch. Hope you learned a few things!
great detail with simplistic but comprehensive info. Haven't experienced such detail that held my attention
Thanks so much Walter, glad you enjoyed it!
The best and in depth sharing
Thanks Shekhar!
Ford you did an excellent job This is also a great video
Thanks David
Another great Video. Keep up the good work. I love the watch BTW 😁
Thanks Hayder, appreciate that!
Excellent video! Very informative. Thank you.
Wow thank you, I'm glad it helped! You're welcome
The used salesmans force is strong with this one
And the winner of the most creative comment goes to
Great video. ❤
Thanks Lucas!
Great job. Please consider changing your title to "Detailed or Complete Review of 2021 Lincoln Aviator Reserve" to get more hits.
Great suggestion! I haven't played around with titles much so I'll give it a go for the 2022 video coming out soon
You give great explanations
Thanks so much
Nice intro. Whats happening with test drives?
Insurance is figured out! I've got some test drive videos coming up in April - stay tuned
Hello steve , its pretty good video, i had just one question do you play play apple car play without cable.
Thanks Gurpreet! Unfortunately the Sync3 system doesn’t support wireless android auto or Apple car play
@Cars With Steve can you also make a drive review video? really wanna see a drive video of the 2022 aviator when it's out Q4 this year. and subbed for more lincoln and ford video's 👌
Yes! Drive reviews are back this week, Aviator drive video I believe is going live late April! Breaking into a few other OEMs as well, Audi may be one of them ;)
@@CarsWithSteve ah yes! Also love to see the 2022 aviator but first the 2021 driving video.
@@miles5600 2022 Aviator is probably 5-6 months out before we start seeing it but stay tuned for the 2021!
@@CarsWithSteve yeah i know that’s why i’m so exited they will probably launch it oct/nov 2021 just like the 2021 model.
@@miles5600 That's what I'm thinking! Hopefully no delays with covid and it would be great to see Sync4 in the 2022
Can you tell me about the warranty and if its a book like the others books that comes with the vehicle. Also more info on the extended warranty about. thanks
In a nutshell.. the basic is 4 year 70,000 miles and 6 year 110,000 powertrain. You get Lincoln Roadside assistance for the lifetime that you own the vehicle as the original owner.
Extended warranty is all over the place for what's included, number of kms/years of coverage, number of service appts etc. Best bet is to talk with the finance manager when you are getting quoted on one
Muito bem explicado, parabéns.
Obrigado
Yes if the computer is searching for your phone does the yellow light still come on in the mirror
The blind spot monitor light?
How do I get the A/C LED to come back on?
When your climate is turned on press the AC button again and it'll come back on. If you've tried pressing multiple times and A/C still works then the bulb is broken burnt out. If there's no A/C then there's something else up. Mention it the next time your vehicle is serviced
re Navigation -- any means of entering latitude and longitude figures to locate when travelling without knowing the actual address? Also while the headlights turn with the steering, do they also self level so that they aim at the road and not the sky when travelling up a hill?
Nice to see if one were to opt for the 6/7 seater that there is sufficient room for people and not simply children to fit in the 3rd row unlike most vehicles.
Can enter/exit seat position be set to not lower for we old goats who have difficulty extricating themselves from low seats. One of the most significant aspects for my MKX purchase -- easier to just plop onto the seat and swing legs in and the reverse when departing the vehicle.
Have to love the self parking particularly for the elderly that can have shoulder issues and not rotate the steering wheel as readily as once upon a time for parking parallel or backup up vertical. Sometimes it is very difficult to park in tighter areas by going front in rather than reverse. Is Lincoln also offering a printed user manual? Beside the park assist, the hidden rear wiper is one of the best items offered and wish that it was offered on the Nautilus as I prefer it's shorter size which fits the garage better. TIA
Thanks for all the great questions! Yes you can use lat/long to search for an address if you don't know the physical address you're traveling to. Adaptive headlamps will bend with the turn.
Easy entry/exit will automatically lower the seats when the car is turned off or when you go to enter and then you can use a preset to bring it back to your set position! The Aviator does have a Dynamic Handling Package which will actually lower the vehicle when you go to enter and exit to make getting inside easier. The Park Assist is great! In the video I only covered perpendicular but it can also help with parallel park in and out.
The printed manual is stil there right now but when the vehicle moves to Sync4 it will be a digital manual accessilbe directly through the media screen. There always is the option of viewing the manual online which is acessible through the link below:
owner.lincoln.com/tools/account/how-tos/owner-manuals.html
Let me know if you have any other questions!
@@CarsWithSteve what I was trying to know was if one could keep the vehicle from lowering when you are ready to enter so I assume that from what you said it is the action on opening the door that will raise the vehicle. As one gets older the knees don`t work so well and thus it is easier to enter and exit from a more upright position compared to the way one would enter a sedan.
Too bad it was not shown how to enter coordinates as I have not found one on the MKX Limited Edition but maybe I have missed it and mine is also a 2011 so a bit behind the times lol.
I know about the headlights turning with the wheels but also as important is to have them self level so that the beam when going up hill in the dark does not light the stars but stays lighting the road in front.
I drove a 1969 Citroen DS 19 Pallas which offered this and had done so since 1955 and so far across to our side of the pond has taken a long time to catch up to the best car ever built.
Before I ever test drive a vehicle I try to grab the user manual and learn the vehicle as particularly current vehicles are rather full of tech that has to be learned to be comfortable.
Often one can do a google maps search for a location and get the coordinates but not necessarily the other info and sometime the info is provided by a business etc without a street or number location so it is good to be able to use that info.
Sometime if you can, grab the Hybrid version and do some tests as to the distance on EV that one can go. Maybe also let folks know in the GTA what charger and pricing of charger and 220 V installation is available. At an old age I have to wonder at the value of changing from an ICE vehicle though.
Wish that the Nautilus had gone with hidden rear wiper like the Aviator. The blue with brown interior of the Aviator is very special but I like the size of the Nautilus too and its shape being more like the MKX.
Have subscribed as it is nice to see reviewers from the GTA posting to YT. TIA
@@phlotographer The Dynamic Handling Package is optional so if you don't get it there would be no lowering. If you do get it, there's a setting in the Sync3 Media Screen that will allow you to disable the vehicle lowering. Entering the coordinates would simply be entering the digits for lat/long - no different than adding in an address!
If you tend to grab a manual before test driving - definitely use that link I sent in the last message. You'll have digital access to it and can read at your convenience. Most OEMs are getting away from printed brochures but you can always find information online or ask a local dealer to mail you a printed copy of the brochure.
Hopefully in a Hybrid in the next week or two but from feedback I've heard from existing Aviator Hybrid drivers they are typically getting 30 - 40km on electric only - which will vary depending on your own driving habits. Appreciate the subscribe and support!
@@CarsWithSteve Yes, Steve, that is a big concern as the expense of getting the 220v hookup to the garage and the appropriate charger may easily outweigh any savings for so little range. Now one could simply use regular household but the charge time goes to many a day but might be ok if one sets up the usage much like I do now with monthly trips Costco and local mall for shopping and banking. However, there still is the extra charge involved in the purchase of the vehicle and the fact that there is no rebates available in Ontario.
@@phlotographer The Ford Home Charging Station is $800 US / approx $1,200 CAD - plus the cost of install. That cost would vary depending on the electrician that you have installing it! The 240V charge station cuts charge time from the traditional 240V plug that comes with it by about 35%
Wish that Doug Ford would bring back some EV incentives - even on the federal level you can't get the $5,000 EV rebate unless the purchase price is under $50k
.. However if you own a business you have the ability to write off the entire capital cost of the vehicle in the first year of ownership
I have an Aviator and my car does not have massage in the driver seat. Is it only on the Black Label model or all Aviators. For 66k you would think it would have this feature.
The massage seats are optional in the Reserve model but would be standard in the Black Label
Hello.
Can you help me with my aviator.
We ve got no dealership in country, so car were bought from privat person.
I can’t add electronic lock on door, cause there is now ticket pwassword on my manual, as it’s should be from manufacture and second one, backseat climat control display is off.
If you don't have the keyless entry password you'd need to reach out to Lincoln Canada or USA (depending on where it was exported from) and try to get the 5 digit pin that way.. Reach out to the seller too in order to find the selling dealer who you can contact directly.
As for the backseat display, the first thing to try is:
1. Press the "Rear" button in the center stack. You'll find it in between the driver passenger ventilate seat buttons just under "Menu"
2. Rear climate controls will show up, make sure that the screen is unlocked (bottom right button) and turned on (bottom left button)
@@CarsWithSteve thank you, I will try to get password. What about climate system, I did everything you said, but nothing changed, may be its error, and I need to show it to master. Whatever, thank you for your advices
You're welcome. If that display isn't working at all even if it's showing as on in the main infotainment screen there could be a wiring or module issue
Is the lane assist only able to work if it can see white lines on both sides. So if there are no white lines, will it still work?
I noticed that on roads where the outer markings weren't visible it wouldn't always recognize the lane
@@CarsWithSteve I had a system in my RV hauler, 2009 Volvo 730, a few years ago. Anytime you got close to the white line on either side it would go off chirping. That was for average lane widths. Going down I 75 during the construction period when the lanes were so narrow, I'd cringe when passing an oncoming HDT for fear the mirrors would crash. In those cases if there were white lines on either side, the device was constantly screaming. If there were no white lines, it would be silent.
I had the system removed.
Things have evolved but still not able to detect the edge of the road with no white line.
Yes, I would like an Aviator but it or they are out of my reach. The hauler carries a Smart car transversely for transportation when at the destination. The Smart was not meant as a daily driver.
My 2003 Merc Mountaineer was a good vehicle, V8 etc, that is until a young woman blew thru an intersection and T boned me.
Find me a screaming deal.
Thanks for the quick response.
It's interesting.. I don't know of any manufacturers where their lane keeping system will work if there are lanes that aren't recognized. The systems still have a bit more to go before true autopilot will work across every type of road.
The non stop chirping would drive me nuts so it's great that you were able to disable that feature. Which other cars do you think will be in the running for you now?
@@CarsWithSteve My GCL worked the other day on an unmarked road.
@@deepthoughtswithjessica That's great the car recognized the road even without the markings!
How many miles does the Aviator get on a full tank?
That's going to depend on driving habits, city vs highway, towing, payload etc. The Aviator has a 76L (20.2 gallons) tank so if you drive highway/city with combined at 11.9L/100km you should get around 640km per tank
How tall are you? Feels like you are 2 feet taller than the vehicle...
I'm 6'0 - good amount of space inside for people up to 6'4" I'd say
@@CarsWithSteve I have the exact same car. You just look so much taller than the car in the video...
@@bonsaiforu Must be the GoPro perspective that's doing it. How are you enjoying your Aviator so far?
@@CarsWithSteve it is great! We have only had it for a week but the wife and kids all love the new car. My daily drive is a 2016 mustang GT and I enjoy driving both cars equally.
@@bonsaiforu Love that you've got a GT as the daily driver! Have you done anything to it aftermarket or still stock?
That's one UGLY blank black screen dash and an iPad tablet screen just stuck in that slot in the dash... mars the whole look inside.. imo.
I wouldn't say it's ugly but I do think it could go for an upgrade. It's interesting seeing what some fully digital dash/media screen integrations are starting to look like in the luxury market
My side entry on the door will not light up. 2030
Make sure that Welcome Lighting is turned on. In the Sync media screen go to:
Settings --> Vehicle --> Lighting and make sure that Welcome Lighting is turned on
mate speak a bit slowly, no rush!
Haha working on it! I've taken it down a notch or two in my newer videos
Nope, backseat is useless to adults.
I wouldn't say useless. I'm 6'0 and fit in the back row ok. Wouldn't want to be stuck back there for really long distance trips but it's usable