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Please, please, post a video with you getting into the weeds about ammonia! My tank has low PH and always reads like there is ammonia in it. Can you do a video on what a person can do about low PH and ammonia readings?
I like the idea and I love your scape as always but pls reconsider the tank size. The bigger the tank the better for betta sororities so they would have enough territory space to escape or hide. If the sorority is already established then hope it works out and excited to see the final result!
Mine didn't but they were clearly stressed. They postured up against each other every now and then but didn't attack. I returned all but my favourite one because it was a stressful environment for them. This was in a heavily planted 50 gallon btw. The female I kept did much better with the other tank mates (rummynose tetra, cardinal tetras, platys, Cory's and dwarf neon rainbows).
That's how most sororities end. I have ome in a 20g with 5 females and dither fish. It was going well until one of the young females reached maturity and was constantly challenging the older matriarch. I decided to be proactive and separated most of them before it became a blood bath. That female was one of my fiesty females. She constantly hunted and preferred live food, would flare a lot, and couldnt have tank mates because she was overly aggressive. Honestly I miss that fish. She was pretty cool.
Thank you for your story, too many beginners will just say my bettas are fine, then film their tanks when they first put the bettas together on the first day or a week. But with sororities, problems arrive a week plus later, a couple weeks, and sometimes a couple months. Long term wise, betta sororities unless done right(big tank, lots of plants and wood) usually lead to dead or wounded bettas and a shorter life span.
Good luck! I raised 8 young bettas in a 10g and then moved them to a 60g when they got bigger. I have 2 left 😔 They’ll seem fine for months and then you wake up one morning and there’s a ton of torn fins and injuries. At this point I think it’s better to just get one betta that really takes your breath away and pamper it by itself
Lily A. I was going to get 2 female bettas today after being told I can have them in my sized tank (5gallons) I set up my tank days before going to get them so the water settled, everything was clean etc etc But they didn’t have any females left, so I got a beautiful male. He’s blue/green and has a reddish face with red front fins and he’s already so happy to have his space to swim around in 😍 I’ve had a male before, so i know how to take care of them, just watching these videos for somewhat entertainment/making sure I’m doing what I need to do, right But I’m SO glad I didn’t go with the 2 females, for my sized tank. And I already love Azul (that’s why I named him 😊) I’m yet to get more stuff for him to enjoy, but he’s got everything he NEEDS After all I’ve read, and seen I don’t know why people would even bother trying to have a sorority for bettas. It just sounds stressful, and heartbreaking if anything happens 😔
Honestly I think the tank is too small. Most people recommend getting a 20 long* to 40 gal with 5 females. I don’t think this is enough to establish big enough territories.
Agreed . I am not a big fan of another app to control everything in my life . I can careless about creating "mood" lighting for my fish while I'm away. Just saying... Bigger tank is a GREAT idea . I'll pass on the put everything on your phone so your attached 24/7 . Now if the app can come over and clean the tank and filters that would be great !😊
as someone who has had 10 bettas in a 36 i would tell anyone thinking of this to NEVER DO IT at the end i have 9 bettas in 9 different tanks worst mistakes ive ever made
listen.. im not gonna sit here and talk down to YOU about doing this tank, it’s definitely too small and too small of a sorority, but you have quite a bit of experience under your belt. BUT. you have a veeeery big audience, with lots of impressionable people. i can already see this video is gonna have quite a few people setting up 10 gallons and throwing some bettas in it. its gonna be disastrous. the minimum recommended tank size for a sorority is a 20 gallon long (although imo it should be a 40 breeder or larger) and at LEAST 6 females, although 8-10+ is ideal. with 3 or 4 there isnt a lot of space to spread aggression and you’re going to have issues. just my 2¢ i guess.
What do you think about putting 7 baby female bettas in a 10 gallon tank until they grow and mature, then move them into a 20 gallon tank? I thought that I would ask you since you seem to be very educated on this topic Also do you have any tips on setting up a sorority with baby bettas?
@@dianavelez1262 I'm two years late for a reply here, but I wouldn't recommend buying or using baby betas. Baby betas struggle to survive after being sold because of their already compromised immune system and the stress associated with shipping and transfers. And baby betas are almost impossible to gender accurately, the retailers may say baby boy or baby girl beta but they are entirely guessing and even if you buy all baby girls the chances of all of them actually being female is incredibly low. It's probably too late for me to be of help telling you this but hopefully by now all is well and your interest in betas was met somehow C:
I'm so happy you took my advice omg :-3 I will say it really should be a large tank with atleast 5 females though, or they can be very stressed and this tank dimension doesn't seem like there is a lot of room for them to run away in... most people that have success with a sorority use a 20 gallon long or bigger capacity tank...
I thought that but if there's 11g and 4 fish that's over the 2.5g per fish minimum and getting them from an already established sorority will also help reduce the risk of aggression. The wood etc will also block easy line of sight so they should be ok. I did say in my comment that usually a sorority is 6+ to minimise aggression and gave a few tips on sororities but with a bit of luck this one should be ok. If not I have asked Mike to still document it as that can be more useful than all the videos showing a happy, calm sorority that so many people refer to when trying to argue those of us who have thoroughly researched or actually had sororities saying that aggression can be as big a problem with females as it is with males.
Littlewings - females really should have 5 gallons each because you are taking aggressive fish and putting them in a tank and hoping for the best. For such aggressive fish you can’t just go with the bare minimum for one fish. Some keepers say that the more females the less aggressive they are but I disagree. From my research and personal experience it’s better to keep them in odd numbers to help establish a proper hierarchy within the tank.
@@AgitatedGhost I agree, I've had females pick on BN Plecos twice their size before and they tend to be a bit more territorial than the males in community tanks with just one female.
I think that it is very tempting to start a sorority. The females are beautiful and bettas are addictive but I really really would advise against putting females together even in a 30+ gallon aquarium. One thing I learned from a sorority is that the fish may appear to be coexisting but they are in a constant state of stress. They will get sick and the illness will rip through the sorority. I think you will have many issues with putting more than one betta in this size tank. Sorry to be a debbie downer, it sucks to have an unsuccessful sorority. It ends badly. Beautiful tank!!
From everything I've read, studied, and the folks who are doing it have told me...you really need to have more space for each female to have a territory. It seems like your tank is too small for that. That being said, I really hope this works out for you and the fish. Looking forward to updates on what happens, success or not. 👍💕👍
You really shouldn’t put any more than 1 bettas in a tank that is the size you are using. Sororities should be in no smaller than a 20 gallon tank with no less than 5 girls. Please consider upgrading or getting separate tanks. One last thing not only will there probably be aggression but also the amount of fish in the tank will have a large bio load. So you’ll have to keep on top of water changes in order to have decent parameters.
I saw this video on my Google feed, and thought "oh cool someone is going to be adding female Betta's to a large tank." Tapped the video and immediately thought to myself. "I give them 3 weeks before he finds them all dead."
Beautiful setup. I have a sorority tank also. 14gal with 5 females all from space city but not from the sorority section. They are doing wonderfully. Tip: when acclimating release the least aggressive first and wait until they stop flaring then release another. Take your time releasing them. Your tank has a lot of decorations that will brake the line of sight.
The best way to have a betta sorority working, is to get all sisters. If you know of someone who breeds betta fish and has a tank filled with offspring, try to ask for a few females. Since they are sisters and have known each other from birth, they will get along well.
I used to be enamoured with the concept of sorority tanks. I am not any longer, people have done studies with the amount of fish and size of tank and coverage, and although large tanks with heavy coverage produced very little deaths, the fish were constantly stressed because of the close proximity. I don't believe sororities produce healthy happy fish, and although I respect a lot of what you do, this I can't watch.
Thanks for this comment. I have been wanting to try a sorority tank but was wondering about the stress levels of the fish. I have plenty of aquarium plants to use and a 20 long but I was still on the fence. After reading what you said I did some further research and believe you are right. If I ever take on this project I will have a much bigger tank but it's probably just not the best idea.
@@lisawhereisthecultjam I'm happy that you sought out research for yourself before making a decison. Far too many people jump right into it with their heads filled with optimism, only to watch their aquariums fall apart before their eyes. All my best wishes to you and your fish :)
I agree with both comments in this thread. Good on you for doing research! In my opinion, sororities are only humane if they're in absurdly huge. Like, the people who have a 100 gallon with 3 females or something. Those are 100% fine imo, but I still don't see why someone would do it in a smaller tank. There are plenty of gorgeous fish that get along with Bettas just fine.
Please reconsider doing a sorority in this size tank. While you may be able to make this work, you have sooo many people who watch your videos and look up to you for proper information. A sorority in a 10 gal is not at all a good idea and now people will go out thinking they can have a sorority in a 10 gal, and end up with dead fish.
I have a 29 gallon empty and I’m thinking of keeping a sorority or two blood parrots that my Freind can’t keep. The parrots are currently with two oscars in a 115 gallon. I really want to keep a sorority with 5 bettas. But I also want to focus on a lot of plants and spots for the bettas to hide in if there’s any trouble. Would you say 29 gallons is good? If not then the tanks for my blood parrots (very chill fish)
I think a better option would be to get a pair of betta mahachaiensis, as they can coexist much more reliably than a typical betta sorority. Even if the fish you had in mind live together now, you know changing the environment can shift the whole dynamic. Doesn't matter how perfect the setup is, it's only a matter of time before one kills another, and then its anarchy. (I speak from experience, I had a sorority for almost a year. I try to share what I learned wherever I can.)
This is a good video about bettas, the only thing I would add is that sororities are not recommended for novice betta keepers due to the difficulties you mentioned. Even with just the move together they can be very territorial over their new space so you may have a few issues of aggression. As with adding a betta to any established aquarium always have as many standby tanks as you have betta fish just in case you do need to separate them as females can be as aggressive as males. Also, if your bettas are not coming from a previously established sorority it is recommended to get a minimum of 6 fish with 2.5-3g minimum per fish. Use plants and hidey-hole decorations/natural hiding spots to break up areas into different territories, eg each fish area has plants and a hide so they don't need to fight for anything they need and this reduces the need for aggressive behaviour too. Lastly, you (Mike) may find that the betta fish really enjoy laying on the floating plants. Bettas love large leaves near/on the surface to laze about on (bettas are very lazy fish 😂) so you may want to get more of that or get some zoomed leaf hammocks for them to lounge around on. Good luck with the sorority! Please still document it even if you do have issues with aggressive behaviour because it will be really useful to anyone wanting to set one up rather than all the videos that show a calm beautiful betta sorority with no issues lol!
Wife has a beta sorority tank, it takes a few weeks for them to figure out a pecking order and some fins were ripped but they eventually settled down and got along.
It’s an amazing tank, for 1 male betta or a community tank with some neons etc. you have a lot of experience so surely you would know that you can’t have this tank with a betta sorority of 4 bettas... it’s too small and you should know that. Great tank though
Cmon beginners watch you man, this tank is way too small for domestic bettas. Based on your forest tank with the lucky small fish, this is just a downgrade.
Good luck! Usually recommended to do a sorority in at least a 20g and 5+ females. I would say a 20g could work for 5-8 females anymore than that and I think you have to upgrade to a larger tank. Good luck though. Hopefully it works.
Truly beautiful scape job you did here. I agree with others that this seems pretty small for 4 betta. I would personally do 1 betta and a small school of fish for this tank.
Hope this works out, with them already being established together it should help! I had a 20 long with 4 females. One came out as the dominant, and eventually lead to one fish being bullied until she was moved to her own 5g. After that the remaining 3 continued to show aggression, but didn’t attack. Lucky I was able to find homes for 2 of the fish. Ended up adding corys that now coexist great with the last remaining female.
They like more flow than you think. Plus think that tank is a bit on the small size too. 6.5 is not super low. If you had added a bigger filter that has been running off an established tank, you would have been fine. True neutral is 6.8.
Caustic ammonia in a slightly acidic environment. Not sure if plants can eat produced ammonium salts and/or aren't toxic toxic to fish but neutralization ("sorting itself out") seems reasonable
Great scape as usual. Kind of a small tank to have a sorority in but with getting fish who have been cohabiting together already could possibly help it be more successful. Can't wait for an update and good luck!
i bought 5 different female betas in a 15 gal unknowingly and they all got along perfectly (first time owning fish don’t drag me they’re still alive and thriving!)
Mike, this is so awesome! I just started my own sorority tank just a few weeks ago. I was so excited to see this video because you are my go-to youtuber to get info on tanks and fish. I can't wait to see how it turns out for you. Please I would love if you share your experiences with the fish once you put them in and if you can some "what to do and not to do " tips as you go along with the process (I am still trying to figure out my 3 females' situation right now so your thoughts would be SUPER helpful). Good luck:)
i have actually had a successful betta sorority in ten gallons, that only ended when a guppy that somehow jumped in from quarantine from a nearby tank introduced ich, but all this was still when i was a very new and i was lucky while it lasted, but i do agree it is still to small for a sorority. i now have another good sorority i a 20 gallon long that is going strong and has been for a few months now. :)
If I’m not mistaken Ammonia in low ph environments converts to ammonium which in most cases isn’t harmful to the fish so since your ph is so low that’s why you’re reading higher ammonia levels in the tank itself
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't any type of new aquasoil a much bigger source of Ammonia that any kind of wood? Idk why most youtubers won't just admit that?
You should have at least 6 or more female bettas in a sority. To lesson the fighting and to cause less stress give them a bigger tank I know people who have a sority in a planted 10 gallon that do well.
Liked this video, but still advise on doing a sorority for this tank, especially given how many viewers you have. Would be nice if you did it for a 20 gallon+ with 5+ bettas
I had a sorority of 5 females in a 18gallon rimless and that wasnt big enough - even though there was plenty of areas they can make their terrority (due to plants and hardscape), that tank is WAY to small for that many females
All the advice about keeping the female bettas I keep seeing is that you need more than 5 of them and massive tank with a lot of decoration, meanwhile my two ladies living in their 5gal with a few shrimp get along perfectly. It depends on the temperament of the bettas in the end, some of them need 20gal and a big pack, but some of them don't.
Uh the bigger the tank the easier it is for you and the bettas. A 10-14 can get really out of balance due to the stock. “Some of them don’t need a 20 gallon” although this is true, they just swim around in that tank for the rest of their lives, everyday, same lap around the tank. In the wild their territories consist of 125 gallons big and more. Domesticated bettas usually tend to be way more aggressive opposed to their wild types, therefore space is recommended for greater success and less stress.
@@Punkimos well, of course, if I could afford it money and time-wise I'd keep them in a 50gal tank, but, as I said, it all depends on the character of the fish - mine are not stressed and deal well with one another, so a bigger tank is not necessary in as much as every fish would have a better life in as big of a tank as possible. I shared my example for people who can't go big from the beginning - 20gal and 8 bettas is a serious expense - that starting smaller doesn't have to lead to a catastrophe. A well planted and varied smaller tank can work just as well.
Thoroughly Wet only females can but it’s extremely difficult to do a sorority and very stressful on the females if not done right. Most people that have researched and experience will put 5 females in a 20 gallon and that is the bare minimum for a sorority
You need to do a video or stream where you go down that rabbit hole... set up my first planted tank and going through similar problems I dont understand.
Need at least 3-4 feet in length and lots of cover to break up line of sight. I have had success with a 12gal long with 4 females but that is really pushing it and I wouldn’t recommend it unless you have a backup plan when things don’t work out. Best of luck 🤞🏼
Ammonia is a base and reacts in water by creating hydroxyl and NH4- which is acidic so having a lower pH creates more of an acidic ammonia. So rabbit hole hopefully filled for now lol
I've had a nightmare with transparent lids. Whether glass or acrylic they just accumulate too much condensation and can't be seen through which defeats the object of having a transparent lid. You might be better off looking at marine style mesh if you are concerned about jumping fish but my betta has never jumped from his tank. I keep the water line around an inch from the rim and that's far higher than he's ever tried when I've been spot feeding him
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I like the new tank.. looks great. Looking forward to seeing the Bettas move in
AQUAPROS you can put one male betta fish in the tank
Hope this sorority works out for you. 🙏 I’ve been raising tropical fish for 15 years and I’m still terrified to attempt a sorority. 😅
I have a betta fish tank with tannins. But i dont want a brown water calour, how do you remove it?
Please, please, post a video with you getting into the weeds about ammonia! My tank has low PH and always reads like there is ammonia in it. Can you do a video on what a person can do about low PH and ammonia readings?
I like the idea and I love your scape as always but pls reconsider the tank size. The bigger the tank the better for betta sororities so they would have enough territory space to escape or hide. If the sorority is already established then hope it works out and excited to see the final result!
Its okay if the betta fish are female and kept together since birth.
Good luck all my females got along fine for a while then they had a battle royale one night
Mine didn't but they were clearly stressed. They postured up against each other every now and then but didn't attack. I returned all but my favourite one because it was a stressful environment for them. This was in a heavily planted 50 gallon btw. The female I kept did much better with the other tank mates (rummynose tetra, cardinal tetras, platys, Cory's and dwarf neon rainbows).
@@SpiritAquatics I tried 4 in a 20 gallon and one was mean right away so she was given away
That's how most sororities end.
I have ome in a 20g with 5 females and dither fish.
It was going well until one of the young females reached maturity and was constantly challenging the older matriarch. I decided to be proactive and separated most of them before it became a blood bath.
That female was one of my fiesty females. She constantly hunted and preferred live food, would flare a lot, and couldnt have tank mates because she was overly aggressive. Honestly I miss that fish. She was pretty cool.
Thank you for your story, too many beginners will just say my bettas are fine, then film their tanks when they first put the bettas together on the first day or a week. But with sororities, problems arrive a week plus later, a couple weeks, and sometimes a couple months. Long term wise, betta sororities unless done right(big tank, lots of plants and wood) usually lead to dead or wounded bettas and a shorter life span.
That's exactly how it goes. It's fine, until it isn't.
Good luck! I raised 8 young bettas in a 10g and then moved them to a 60g when they got bigger. I have 2 left 😔 They’ll seem fine for months and then you wake up one morning and there’s a ton of torn fins and injuries. At this point I think it’s better to just get one betta that really takes your breath away and pamper it by itself
Lily A. I was going to get 2 female bettas today after being told I can have them in my sized tank (5gallons)
I set up my tank days before going to get them so the water settled, everything was clean etc etc
But they didn’t have any females left, so I got a beautiful male. He’s blue/green and has a reddish face with red front fins and he’s already so happy to have his space to swim around in 😍
I’ve had a male before, so i know how to take care of them, just watching these videos for somewhat entertainment/making sure I’m doing what I need to do, right
But I’m SO glad I didn’t go with the 2 females, for my sized tank. And I already love Azul (that’s why I named him 😊)
I’m yet to get more stuff for him to enjoy, but he’s got everything he NEEDS
After all I’ve read, and seen I don’t know why people would even bother trying to have a sorority for bettas. It just sounds stressful, and heartbreaking if anything happens 😔
Yeah I have one Betta and spoil her, she has a full five gallon all to her self and she loves it
8 in a 10 gallon what is wrong with u I keep one in a 15 gallon jesus christ dude that animal cruelty
@@Clone_Trooper-zh5cn I know my single male is in a 5 gal I'm quite shocked but the females before there adolescent are TINY
Honestly I think the tank is too small. Most people recommend getting a 20 long* to 40 gal with 5 females. I don’t think this is enough to establish big enough territories.
Agreed
Ruby I also agree a good rule is each female at minimum should have 5 gallons each and do it in odd numbers no less than 5
Agreed . I am not a big fan of another app to control everything in my life .
I can careless about creating "mood" lighting for my fish while I'm away.
Just saying... Bigger tank is a GREAT idea .
I'll pass on the put everything on your phone so your attached 24/7 .
Now if the app can come over and clean the tank and filters that would be great !😊
Jane Irish omg imagine an app cleaning everything that would be a life saver I have 12 aquariums so that would save me so much time and labor
as someone who has had 10 bettas in a 36 i would tell anyone thinking of this to NEVER DO IT at the end i have 9 bettas in 9 different tanks worst mistakes ive ever made
listen.. im not gonna sit here and talk down to YOU about doing this tank, it’s definitely too small and too small of a sorority, but you have quite a bit of experience under your belt. BUT. you have a veeeery big audience, with lots of impressionable people.
i can already see this video is gonna have quite a few people setting up 10 gallons and throwing some bettas in it. its gonna be disastrous.
the minimum recommended tank size for a sorority is a 20 gallon long (although imo it should be a 40 breeder or larger) and at LEAST 6 females, although 8-10+ is ideal.
with 3 or 4 there isnt a lot of space to spread aggression and you’re going to have issues. just my 2¢ i guess.
What do you think about putting 7 baby female bettas in a 10 gallon tank until they grow and mature, then move them into a 20 gallon tank?
I thought that I would ask you since you seem to be very educated on this topic
Also do you have any tips on setting up a sorority with baby bettas?
@@dianavelez1262 I'm two years late for a reply here, but I wouldn't recommend buying or using baby betas. Baby betas struggle to survive after being sold because of their already compromised immune system and the stress associated with shipping and transfers. And baby betas are almost impossible to gender accurately, the retailers may say baby boy or baby girl beta but they are entirely guessing and even if you buy all baby girls the chances of all of them actually being female is incredibly low. It's probably too late for me to be of help telling you this but hopefully by now all is well and your interest in betas was met somehow C:
I'm so happy you took my advice omg :-3 I will say it really should be a large tank with atleast 5 females though, or they can be very stressed and this tank dimension doesn't seem like there is a lot of room for them to run away in... most people that have success with a sorority use a 20 gallon long or bigger capacity tank...
Alex Adams bigger is always better that’s the golden rule with sororities lol
I thought that but if there's 11g and 4 fish that's over the 2.5g per fish minimum and getting them from an already established sorority will also help reduce the risk of aggression. The wood etc will also block easy line of sight so they should be ok.
I did say in my comment that usually a sorority is 6+ to minimise aggression and gave a few tips on sororities but with a bit of luck this one should be ok. If not I have asked Mike to still document it as that can be more useful than all the videos showing a happy, calm sorority that so many people refer to when trying to argue those of us who have thoroughly researched or actually had sororities saying that aggression can be as big a problem with females as it is with males.
Littlewings - females really should have 5 gallons each because you are taking aggressive fish and putting them in a tank and hoping for the best. For such aggressive fish you can’t just go with the bare minimum for one fish. Some keepers say that the more females the less aggressive they are but I disagree. From my research and personal experience it’s better to keep them in odd numbers to help establish a proper hierarchy within the tank.
@@AgitatedGhost I agree, I've had females pick on BN Plecos twice their size before and they tend to be a bit more territorial than the males in community tanks with just one female.
@@Littlewings1211 where would you even get a female from an established sorority 🤔 is that something anybody thinks to sell🤣
I think that it is very tempting to start a sorority. The females are beautiful and bettas are addictive but I really really would advise against putting females together even in a 30+ gallon aquarium. One thing I learned from a sorority is that the fish may appear to be coexisting but they are in a constant state of stress. They will get sick and the illness will rip through the sorority. I think you will have many issues with putting more than one betta in this size tank. Sorry to be a debbie downer, it sucks to have an unsuccessful sorority. It ends badly. Beautiful tank!!
From everything I've read, studied, and the folks who are doing it have told me...you really need to have more space for each female to have a territory. It seems like your tank is too small for that. That being said, I really hope this works out for you and the fish. Looking forward to updates on what happens, success or not.
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You really shouldn’t put any more than 1 bettas in a tank that is the size you are using. Sororities should be in no smaller than a 20 gallon tank with no less than 5 girls. Please consider upgrading or getting separate tanks. One last thing not only will there probably be aggression but also the amount of fish in the tank will have a large bio load. So you’ll have to keep on top of water changes in order to have decent parameters.
Agreed. I've even heard 20 can be to small. Usually I see 40g recommend. And about 5 to start with.
Spartan265 yeah you should really if you do use a 20 use a 20 gallon long. Bigger is always better especially for bettas or betta sororities.
I saw this video on my Google feed, and thought "oh cool someone is going to be adding female Betta's to a large tank." Tapped the video and immediately thought to myself. "I give them 3 weeks before he finds them all dead."
Daniel Matias it’s time
Beautiful setup. I have a sorority tank also. 14gal with 5 females all from space city but not from the sorority section. They are doing wonderfully. Tip: when acclimating release the least aggressive first and wait until they stop flaring then release another. Take your time releasing them. Your tank has a lot of decorations that will brake the line of sight.
The best way to have a betta sorority working, is to get all sisters. If you know of someone who breeds betta fish and has a tank filled with offspring, try to ask for a few females. Since they are sisters and have known each other from birth, they will get along well.
I used to be enamoured with the concept of sorority tanks. I am not any longer, people have done studies with the amount of fish and size of tank and coverage, and although large tanks with heavy coverage produced very little deaths, the fish were constantly stressed because of the close proximity. I don't believe sororities produce healthy happy fish, and although I respect a lot of what you do, this I can't watch.
Thanks for this comment. I have been wanting to try a sorority tank but was wondering about the stress levels of the fish. I have plenty of aquarium plants to use and a 20 long but I was still on the fence. After reading what you said I did some further research and believe you are right. If I ever take on this project I will have a much bigger tank but it's probably just not the best idea.
@@lisawhereisthecultjam I'm happy that you sought out research for yourself before making a decison. Far too many people jump right into it with their heads filled with optimism, only to watch their aquariums fall apart before their eyes. All my best wishes to you and your fish :)
I agree with both comments in this thread. Good on you for doing research! In my opinion, sororities are only humane if they're in absurdly huge. Like, the people who have a 100 gallon with 3 females or something. Those are 100% fine imo, but I still don't see why someone would do it in a smaller tank. There are plenty of gorgeous fish that get along with Bettas just fine.
Its the same thing u get with other community tanks. Established hierarchy, bullying, etc.. a sorority tank is no different.
Please reconsider doing a sorority in this size tank. While you may be able to make this work, you have sooo many people who watch your videos and look up to you for proper information.
A sorority in a 10 gal is not at all a good idea and now people will go out thinking they can have a sorority in a 10 gal, and end up with dead fish.
I have a 29 gallon empty and I’m thinking of keeping a sorority or two blood parrots that my Freind can’t keep. The parrots are currently with two oscars in a 115 gallon. I really want to keep a sorority with 5 bettas. But I also want to focus on a lot of plants and spots for the bettas to hide in if there’s any trouble. Would you say 29 gallons is good? If not then the tanks for my blood parrots (very chill fish)
I think a better option would be to get a pair of betta mahachaiensis, as they can coexist much more reliably than a typical betta sorority. Even if the fish you had in mind live together now, you know changing the environment can shift the whole dynamic. Doesn't matter how perfect the setup is, it's only a matter of time before one kills another, and then its anarchy. (I speak from experience, I had a sorority for almost a year. I try to share what I learned wherever I can.)
This is a good video about bettas, the only thing I would add is that sororities are not recommended for novice betta keepers due to the difficulties you mentioned. Even with just the move together they can be very territorial over their new space so you may have a few issues of aggression. As with adding a betta to any established aquarium always have as many standby tanks as you have betta fish just in case you do need to separate them as females can be as aggressive as males.
Also, if your bettas are not coming from a previously established sorority it is recommended to get a minimum of 6 fish with 2.5-3g minimum per fish. Use plants and hidey-hole decorations/natural hiding spots to break up areas into different territories, eg each fish area has plants and a hide so they don't need to fight for anything they need and this reduces the need for aggressive behaviour too.
Lastly, you (Mike) may find that the betta fish really enjoy laying on the floating plants. Bettas love large leaves near/on the surface to laze about on (bettas are very lazy fish 😂) so you may want to get more of that or get some zoomed leaf hammocks for them to lounge around on.
Good luck with the sorority! Please still document it even if you do have issues with aggressive behaviour because it will be really useful to anyone wanting to set one up rather than all the videos that show a calm beautiful betta sorority with no issues lol!
I actually like tannins in my water. This tank looks really good!🌿🌿🌿🌿🌿🌿🌿🌿🌿🌿🌿
10:24 “I took a sample of this water” half the water is gone better not be taking blood samples like that
Love your videos, but I think the tank is too small for a sorority. Usually it’s recommended for 20+ gallons... but good luck! Hope it works out
Wife has a beta sorority tank, it takes a few weeks for them to figure out a pecking order and some fins were ripped but they eventually settled down and got along.
It’s an amazing tank, for 1 male betta or a community tank with some neons etc. you have a lot of experience so surely you would know that you can’t have this tank with a betta sorority of 4 bettas... it’s too small and you should know that. Great tank though
Cmon beginners watch you man, this tank is way too small for domestic bettas. Based on your forest tank with the lucky small fish, this is just a downgrade.
What are you actually on about rn? You cannot be serious LOL
The tank is beautiful but it's too small for a sorority betta tank
Please go on the rabbit hole! It's interesting!
haha lol
Good luck! Usually recommended to do a sorority in at least a 20g and 5+ females. I would say a 20g could work for 5-8 females anymore than that and I think you have to upgrade to a larger tank. Good luck though. Hopefully it works.
Its awesome when you go down the rabbit hole and talk a little more about the science side of aquariums. Keep up the good work!
Truly beautiful scape job you did here. I agree with others that this seems pretty small for 4 betta. I would personally do 1 betta and a small school of fish for this tank.
Hope this works out, with them already being established together it should help! I had a 20 long with 4 females. One came out as the dominant, and eventually lead to one fish being bullied until she was moved to her own 5g. After that the remaining 3 continued to show aggression, but didn’t attack. Lucky I was able to find homes for 2 of the fish. Ended up adding corys that now coexist great with the last remaining female.
First: most aquascapers are handsome,
2nd: its cool hobby
3rd: lot of lots of interesting facts!
I was waiting for the fish!!!
Hahaha. "Our iron wood or whatever its called" had me loling Mike 😂🤷♂️
Wood is wood.... 😎 lol
They like more flow than you think. Plus think that tank is a bit on the small size too. 6.5 is not super low. If you had added a bigger filter that has been running off an established tank, you would have been fine. True neutral is 6.8.
I was going to use a 20 long for my Betta Sorority. Is this really large enough? How are the fish now? Beautiful tank, as usual. 💘
Don't do it! It will fail longterm! Don't play with lifes!
Caustic ammonia in a slightly acidic environment. Not sure if plants can eat produced ammonium salts and/or aren't toxic toxic to fish but neutralization ("sorting itself out") seems reasonable
Great scape as usual. Kind of a small tank to have a sorority in but with getting fish who have been cohabiting together already could possibly help it be more successful. Can't wait for an update and good luck!
Didn’t think you would sink so low, I thought you knew more about fish
Sam Jessen I know 😭 anyone who knows even the basics about bettas, knows that that tank is WAY too small for a sorority. Really hope he reconsiders
Madison Paul-Reeves I don’t like sorority’s anyway they just don’t last
Sam Jessen yeah unless you use wild type bettas, domesticated bettas are way more aggressive
@@Nighthawk9955 Exactly. They work out fine... right up until they don't.
i bought 5 different female betas in a 15 gal unknowingly and they all got along perfectly (first time owning fish don’t drag me they’re still alive and thriving!)
What did you do?
No need to worry about rabbit holes! I would love to know more! Time spent learning is never wasted.
The wood will continue to color the water for a very long time. It isnt a bad thing like you said. Maybe beneficial, who knows.
Mike, this is so awesome! I just started my own sorority tank just a few weeks ago. I was so excited to see this video because you are my go-to youtuber to get info on tanks and fish. I can't wait to see how it turns out for you. Please I would love if you share your experiences with the fish once you put them in and if you can some "what to do and not to do " tips as you go along with the process (I am still trying to figure out my 3 females'
situation right now so your thoughts would be SUPER helpful). Good luck:)
Very excited to see it with the ladies installed :) looks great
i have actually had a successful betta sorority in ten gallons, that only ended when a guppy that somehow jumped in from quarantine from a nearby tank introduced ich, but all this was still when i was a very new and i was lucky while it lasted, but i do agree it is still to small for a sorority. i now have another good sorority i a 20 gallon long that is going strong and has been for a few months now. :)
I'd definitely say they need a much bigger tank, I keep my lone male in a tank that size
Is there a video where you added the sorority betas?
Very beautiful scape 💝
If I’m not mistaken Ammonia in low ph environments converts to ammonium which in most cases isn’t harmful to the fish so since your ph is so low that’s why you’re reading higher ammonia levels in the tank itself
Yes that's true for ph under 7. That's why saltwater and African cichlid tanks have to be very careful about ammonia
well this was uploaded NINE seconds ago, darn!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't any type of new aquasoil a much bigger source of Ammonia that any kind of wood?
Idk why most youtubers won't just admit that?
This is brightwell soil, ada soil is the one that seems to have added macros and more organics that lead to NH4 release/production
Mike love the tank. What is the electrical schematic behind you for?
You should have at least 6 or more female bettas in a sority. To lesson the fighting and to cause less stress give them a bigger tank I know people who have a sority in a planted 10 gallon that do well.
Cool Betta fish set up! 👍
You’re supposed to have a minimum of 5 females. But i guess since the tank is pretty small for a sorority 4 is fine. Good luck.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 double or should I say it’s going to be triple or quadruple fun to see !
We all have our favorite bucket to use.
Liked this video, but still advise on doing a sorority for this tank, especially given how many viewers you have. Would be nice if you did it for a 20 gallon+ with 5+ bettas
Hello...I bought dry driftwood...do I need to boiled the wood in hot water before I place in the tank??
Ha! You finally did it! Love the videos
everybody: You need 20+ gallons rawr!
mike at end of video: these bettas already have been living together.
me: oooo you troll lawlz
You should make use out of the tanins in the water and get your self some betta macrostoma. Very interesting fish to look at and something special.
do you get the white stuff mold on the wood and tanning the water so bad even after boiling them?
To stop the pexy glass from warping...Glue some strong magnets to the corner edge to keep it down.
This was an old video but I’m just wondering did this end up working out or did it turn into fight night in this tank 😭🤣🤣🤣
I had a sorority of 5 females in a 18gallon rimless and that wasnt big enough - even though there was plenty of areas they can make their terrority (due to plants and hardscape), that tank is WAY to small for that many females
Great looking tank man xx
Nyyyyyyyce scape tank and filter rocks good job champ
Very cool material greetings from Poland 👍
I’m working on one sorority tank too 😀 ❤️🎉
Hopefully it’s in a much larger tank that this one
If this guy isn't on the radio, he needs to be.
All the advice about keeping the female bettas I keep seeing is that you need more than 5 of them and massive tank with a lot of decoration, meanwhile my two ladies living in their 5gal with a few shrimp get along perfectly. It depends on the temperament of the bettas in the end, some of them need 20gal and a big pack, but some of them don't.
Uh the bigger the tank the easier it is for you and the bettas. A 10-14 can get really out of balance due to the stock. “Some of them don’t need a 20 gallon” although this is true, they just swim around in that tank for the rest of their lives, everyday, same lap around the tank. In the wild their territories consist of 125 gallons big and more. Domesticated bettas usually tend to be way more aggressive opposed to their wild types, therefore space is recommended for greater success and less stress.
@@Punkimos well, of course, if I could afford it money and time-wise I'd keep them in a 50gal tank, but, as I said, it all depends on the character of the fish - mine are not stressed and deal well with one another, so a bigger tank is not necessary in as much as every fish would have a better life in as big of a tank as possible. I shared my example for people who can't go big from the beginning - 20gal and 8 bettas is a serious expense - that starting smaller doesn't have to lead to a catastrophe. A well planted and varied smaller tank can work just as well.
Could you tape down the lid to deal with the warping?
Tank looks great, can’t wait for the Betta’s to arrive 🤓
lol I was just researching betta sorority tanks XD
I thought i am the only one who thinks the tank is too small for a sorority.
Love the wood- very cool light. Wish I saw them here in Japan (or maybe haven looked enough...). Looking forward to seeing it clear~
Thanks Steve 😎😎😎
Your videos are informative and joyful to see . In simple words packed with information tips and best solutions .
Thank you :)
Use your polycarbonate lid as a stencil to cut out a lid out of a material that won’t warp!
I heard if you boil the drift wood it wouldn’t color the water
Hope that works out better for you than it did for me!
I want to hear the down the rabbit hole cut! I enjoy the extended explanations. Any chance you can share it?
Never thought I'd see " *Beta's* " and " *one tank* " in the same sentence
Thoroughly Wet only females can but it’s extremely difficult to do a sorority and very stressful on the females if not done right. Most people that have researched and experience will put 5 females in a 20 gallon and that is the bare minimum for a sorority
also you have to make sure you get female betas with the right disposition cause an especially aggressive female will attack the others :/
Reed A yeah it’s really hard to do random females but it can be done it’s better to buy just sorority packs which come in 5 to 7 ish females
I think it’ll be a great tank Mike! 😉 small or not
You need to do a video or stream where you go down that rabbit hole... set up my first planted tank and going through similar problems I dont understand.
Need at least 3-4 feet in length and lots of cover to break up line of sight. I have had success with a 12gal long with 4 females but that is really pushing it and I wouldn’t recommend it unless you have a backup plan when things don’t work out. Best of luck 🤞🏼
Ammonia is a base and reacts in water by creating hydroxyl and NH4- which is acidic so having a lower pH creates more of an acidic ammonia. So rabbit hole hopefully filled for now lol
how do i choose the glue? i don't want it to be bad for the water or anything
I've had a nightmare with transparent lids. Whether glass or acrylic they just accumulate too much condensation and can't be seen through which defeats the object of having a transparent lid.
You might be better off looking at marine style mesh if you are concerned about jumping fish but my betta has never jumped from his tank. I keep the water line around an inch from the rim and that's far higher than he's ever tried when I've been spot feeding him
I kinda am lucky I got hard water for the higher PH out here.
To solve your PH issue just use an airstone to raise your PH.
When the bacteria is already there take the airstone out and your PH will drop again.
That's not gonna work...
This guy speaks without punctuation. Just one big long breadth. 😬
At my work there are 3 females in a huge warehouse with plenty of room yet they still dont get along!😂😂
Wont that super glue make the water alittle toxic
Great tank
Breed Richard with the sorority lol
How do u deal with the tannins
too small for a Betta sorority :(
I have so many concerns. They don't like light, they jump, and the tank is way too small for Eve one fish. This is really sad.
Active substrate leeches ammonia.