Vader:nah,i just gonna throw you on the shaft destroy your body and you gonna transfer your body to a clone which failed and you gonna be killed by my grandchildren's partner Palpatine:what? Vader:what?
Palpatine meet Gollum meet Hitler meet our MSM and 'narratives' (propaganda) that everything wrong in the world today including Brexit and Trump is Russia's fault not the American and British voting public, just as they did about WMD's in Iraq. THEY LIED! *'We lie, we cheat, we steal..we even have training programs'* Mike Pompeo SOS and ex CIA chief to CIA meeting in 2019 all to great applause by the immoral warmongering so called 'Intelligence Agencies'. *'So this is how democracy dies, to cheers!'* Padme in 'Revenge of the Sith'. IMHO the best SW film ever.
Vader: "You lied. I can't bring Padme back to life!" Sidious: "Bro, I didn't think you were gonna crush her f*ckin windpipe! No amount of space wizardy gonna fix that!"
Vader: "You LIED about being able to heal Padme!" Palpatine: "Chill, I can heal her right now with the Force, my granddaughter just did it with Ben Swolo."
I actually did some research and the main reason it wouldn't have worked is because- A) Anakin sucked at Force Healing. Straight-Up, just not good at it. Neither was Obi-Wan, so unless they wanted to full on reveal their secret marriage and child(ren) to someone who could help, they couldn't do that. B) In the same way that the Force is sort of unknowable and limitless, its abilities are ambiguous- sometimes you just can't Force Heal people. The Force doesn't allow it, or the wounds are too severe, circumstancal. For example- Rey healed Ben from a lightsaber stab wound, that for all intents and purposes, would have killed him had Rey not healed him. Rey's death and subsequent healing from Ben felt very similar, the main difference being their switch in position and the fact that both had fatal experiences but Rey had actually died already. This always stuck me as- "Rey is very capable of Force Healing, but Ben is not and it sapped him of his strength." Everything is situational. *Guess being bad at Force Healing just runs in the family :)*
Lucy Gabbert the Disney Star Wars arent canon. the Jedi are taught to never get too high or too low over something its such a basic Jedi teaching to not act like what Luke acted like in episode 8, and it doesnt matter if he was so hurt because of what happened. Jedi Masters have such a strong connection and belief in the force no problem is going to make them f**ing abandon it. a Sith could f**ing do that a Padawan or even Knight could do it but DEFINITELY not a f**ing Jedi Master. once u reach that level of belief and know the truth for sure u dont just stop believing in it thats impossible. Disney doesnt know anything about Star Wars
Matthew Corcoran lol..I don't know, in Darth Plagueis novel seems it's the Master who instigates touching, eg hands on shoulders of apprentice kind of filial support or commendation after mission?
Vader knew from the moment that Palpatine revealed himself as Darth Sidious that he's been lying to him since he was a little boy. Vader should've known not to trust a single word that wrinkling old bastard said to him but he did and now, Vader has lost everything due to his own dumbassery.
Seriously. Anyone else would have thought "HEYYYY....so you're telling me that YOU are the cause of EVERYTHING wrong the last 20 years and everything you've ever told me was a lie, but I'm supposed to NOW disregard that and believe the lying liar of all liars that there is a Jedi plot that I somehow don't know about, AND you can save Padme?"
Some Puerto rican guy Vader weakness was his desire for family and love. Vader being a former Slave desire family and love especially after his mother died. The only reason Vader turned to the Dark Side was over his wife and child. He could care less about Obi Wan and the Jedi.
You mean Anakin knew Palpatine was lying to him all those years, he revealed himself as Darth Sidious before he was Darth Vader hello come on get it right. Lol I'm just messin with ya
Palpatine: You ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? Anakin: You mean that novel by James Luceno? Yeah, it's one helluva book Palaptine: … Written and Directed by George Lucas
Well, palpatine was kind of right. In episode lll, Anakin force chokes padme because he was angry about her “turning” against him, when she was really trying to turn him back to the light. Anakin’s rage blinded him so much that he ended up killing padme, and if he kept his anger in check, he could have saved her. So yeah, palpatine’s logic is on point.
Marvel Dude There’s actually a theory that you know how in the movie, it keeps flashing between Padmë and Vader on the table? How Padmë takes her last breath when Vader takes his first as a new person? Well, some speculate that during the operation, Sidious was drawing the life out of Padmë to keep his apprentice alive. It probably would be confirmed if we just saw a little bit more of Vader’s surroundings and we saw Sidious concentrating on the force. There is also some guesses that Palpatine changed the report of her death so that Vader would think that he killed her. It’s just a theory, but a really interesting one.
@@Dragon-hu5ev bropooo I wish padme showed up out of nowhere. I wish palpie pulled off that trick of falsifying her death report. man that's an interesting theory!
Captain Voluntaryist The Statist Slayer It is interesting, but that’s not exactly what I was saying. The theory is that Palpatine changed the report to look like she was perfectly healthy when she died, so that Vader thought it was because of him choking her.
He's more angry in the lore because he only gets paid for the films, he's a cool and calm mastermind in the films because he knows his cable bill will be paid and he won't miss NFL RedZone.
I think Darth Vader knew Sidious was lying to him from the very beginning of his Sith career, but was too obsessed with saving Padme to do anything about it
Sparticus Booker It’s inferred that’s Darth Sidious killed Padme in the newly canon comic books. When she died the medical droids communicated that there wasn’t anything to cause her death after she gave birth. I always thought it was “interesting” that Padme loss the will to live. Like what type of diagnosis, haha. At least say she had a strained heart or something. But it’s fine. My guess is that Palpatine used some type of force drain on her. But ehhh. Vader did everything to save Padme, this is true. Granted they were other reasons as to why he disliked the Jedi furthermore turning to pure hatred once he turned. The Clone Wars gives a ton of reasons as to why. But once Vader found out about Padme’s death, he instantly regretted everything that he had done. He even came to see the Emperor for what he really was. But.... Vader still had a plan. That was resurrect Padme, and destroy the Emperor. The reason Vader even had his Mustafar castle was so that it would function as a place for him to Chanel his hatred and to use it as a frankenstein like base for the resurrection of Padme. But after countless times of failing, Vader came to the realization that he can never bring Padme back. Thus further launching him into a void of darkness where he was just more dead inside than he was before. Of course than he finds out about Luke and boom. The dead man finds breath again.
Wraith Black I don't think uve thought how anger, hatred, and fear clouds thinking..it sounds easy to oppose Sidious but Vader's mind was twisted..not that straightforward to break away..bit like addiction maybe?
@@neilmurphy966 Palpatine was powerful enough to drain the life force of trillions, he clouded the mind of all the jedi including Yoda, he levitated the super star destroyer Lusankya and after that wiped the minds of billions of Coruscanti and finally he could create force storms capable of devouring worlds. Palpatine doesn't need to demonstrate how powerful he simply is.
He didnt lie, he said "to cheat death is a power only 1 has achieved, but if we work together" He implied 2x he didnt know how to save her. The question is, did he know that duel was goin to happen
I kind of felt that when you said Sidious was all he had left. He was once a close friend of Anakin and once Padme died and Obi-Wan had betrayed him, he had no one else except Sidious.
Whilst it's certainly in character for the rage of Anakin/Vader to require immediate answers as is seen in the cannon version, I always really appreciated the idea that he sat on this accusation for several weeks. The conversation between the 2 Sith in the Dark Lord novel is a wonderful one in which many issues are brought up including Dooku and the question of what a Sith victory even looks like. So yeah I'll always have a soft spot for the legends version of this 😊 thank you very much for making a video on this. Your videos are always very much appreciated xx
I think Vader constantly kept his anger and rage hidden from Palpatine because, even while he knew the Emperor most likely lied to him about Padme’s death, he always knew Palpatine had access to dark side powers and Sith abilities that he could still use to resurrect her. His hate for Palpatine was only surface deep; The Emperor knew this as well. It kept him bound to Palpatine, despite wanting to kill him. Palpatine knew this and used it against Vader, knowing his apprentice would never make an attempt on his life, thus he fabricated and maintained lies to keep Vader his lap dog.
I like that a lot too. Someone like Dooku ate up all of the bs Palpatine was serving and STILL never even at least tried to kill/subdue him. These comics let us know Vader always had a breaking point well before Return of the Jedi
For once Sidious told the truth. The one part I did like about the ROTS is Padme dying as Anakin is brought back from the brink of death and the possibility that Sidious was using the Darkside to drain her life to save Vader's. No matter how you look at it Padme died because Anakin was weak. If he had truly loved her he would not have murdered innocents to save her because she would never had wanted that. Padme was kind and caring wanting to fight for what was right. The one thing that boggles my mind is Vader never asks about his children. Padme was caring twins and he knew it but didn't seem to care whether they lived or died. He was a self bastard and he deserved ten times the pain he endured.
Bruh, he didn't even know she lived long enough to give birth. He always thought she died before childbirth. When he did find out he had a son, he was *obssessed* with making him join him. Clearly, he cared about his kids. And while he deserves a lot of the pain he feels, its mostly for the cruel genocide and other horrible crimes he commited, not "not loving Padme enough". At least get your facts straight before hating on Vader for "not caring about Padme and his kids" cuz he clearly did.
@@pkmntrainerred4247 A woman doesn't need to be alive for the children to survive at full term so he should have been concerned about what happened to his kids regardless if he thought she had died. He was obsessed with defeating Palps and Luke could help with that I'm not convinced it was because he truly loved his child, until the end when he finally does the right thing and puts his family ahead of a person promising him power. My facts are fine. You interpret them as you wish and I will do the same. There's no law saying we have to agree nor that disagreeing makes either of us less. No point getting upset over this fictional character.
@@Parents_of_Twins I'm not really upset. Well, I guess I was before, but not now. I just thought you missed the fact that Anakin had assumed that he killed Padme and the kids died with her. Even then, I'd argue that he truly did love Padme, at least before his fear of losing her turned his love into obssession, and that he did care about his kids, he just assumed that the kids died with her. And I interpret him offering Luke to join the dark side was another attempt at forming a family and connection. One thing I can state for sure as a fact is that Vader definitely assumed that he had killed her and that the kid(s) died with her. Especiallywhen you see his reaction to discovering he has a son in the Darth Vader 2015 comics (canon) (Also, Certain parts of those comics also put into perspective how Vader does care about his son... to an unhealthily obssessive degree, ofc). Ofc, disagreeing doesn't make any of us lesser, we all have our interpretations, so I lets agree to disagree. You do make a point tho, Vader was pretty selfish. He didn't really consider what Padme thought of the supposed possibility of her dying before going down the path he did.
If Darth Vader killed palpatine for lying the original trilogy would be even more awesome. Like in The empire strikes back Darth Vader learned that his son is alive and his daughter and confronted and killed palpatine for being unloyal . But with the Rule of 2 by Darth Bane, he’ll need an apprentice to serve him and searches for Luke
He didn't lie, he could clearly "do it" but he didn't. Instead, he transferred Padmé's life energy into Vader. If you pay attention, you hear Anakin's heart stop beating and when the mask goes on, the heartbeat resumes and Vader is born.
The Legends version makes more sense to me. Vader coming to grips that he killed the only person (in his mind) that truly loved him and just accepting that all he had left was the dark side explains why he never kills Luke in the original trilogy. Maybe saving Luke and throwing Palpatine down the shaft was Vader's way of rectifying his original mistake of joining the dark side. I'm not a huge Star Wars buff, so if I'm dead wrong let me know, im down to talk some Star Wars right now lol
I completely understand why anakin fell to the dark side he knew everything he was doing was wrong but after losing his mother he didn’t want any regrets he didn’t want to lose padme because he wasn’t strong enough. The character is one of the best written characters of our generation. You can argue both sides but in the end he lost it all sideous prayed on anakins emotions and doubt of the Jedi order. In the end when he cut mace windus arm he thought “Fuck the Jedi order, they never trusted me anyway” which is natural and once he committed to his path he had to keep going which led to the Jedi purge.
Vader: So if I didn't carry out in being a Sith she would've lived? I mean if I wasn't a Sith, then those kids wouldn't die, this now means that Padme wouldn't be sad, that means, I wouldn't be angry and have choke her while she's pregnant, which then she might've survived the the childbirth... PALPATINE IT'S YOU'RE FAULT!!!
One to one comparisons like this really show just how simplistic Disney's Star Wars is. To them everything can be resolved by a lightsaber duel and there are no shades of grey.
In legends the line was always blurred, now for example the Empire is evil because they are the stereotypical and inept goons that are no match for the good guys
Vader: but you said! I Betrayed the Jedi & my master! You said you would help me save Padme! Sidious: I say a lot of things. Vader: I never should’ve listened to you! Sidious: hindsight is 20/20.
One of the most compelling things about Palpatine and Vader, was how Palpatine would occasionally give Vader 2/3 of the truth. It’s almost like Palpatine was teaching Vader, Listen, I cant bring your wife back, but I will be your Frenemy, with Friend being the Stronger aspect. If you try to kill me, I’ll swat you down, but if you work with me I’ll give you a target for your rage that isn’t us, there is a galaxy full of targets for you to take it out on. Just not me or Tarkin, Deal?
It always bothered me how Anakin's motivation seems to shift without reason in Episode III. Across two movies, the thing motivating his journey down the dark path has been his obsession with protecting those close to him. This explains why he would kill Windu and lead the attack on the Jedi Temple, but it doesn't quite explain why he continues to serve Palpatine after Padme has been removed from the equation. It seems like we're supposed to believe that, at that point, he's being mind controlled so much by Palpatine that he just goes with it, but I never liked this interpretation because it means he didn't have agency over his decision to become the Darth Vader we all know. That he wasn't really "seduced" by the dark side, just tricked and brainwashed into mindless obedience. What he needed was some new development in his motivation to get him from point B to point C. These comics provide that, but that's (again) something that needed to be in the movie, not relegated to side stories. So I think a better chain of events for Episode III would be to set up two different transitional points in his progression to Darth Vader. The first one is when Anakin Skywalker agrees to help Palpatine in exchange for preventing Padme's death, leading the assault on the Jedi Temple. This move makes sense because it's motivated by everything we know about the character up until this point. However, he's still not quite Darth Vader yet. The second transition happens after Padme's death, and Anakin realizes that he killed innocent people for basically no reason and is forced to come to terms with that fact. This is the most important point in his transition because it marks a drastic shift in his character motivations; when he goes from being motivated by attachment to being motivated by his belief in power and order. So, after the Jedi Temple attack, Analin's confrontation with Padme (which turns violent) happens normally, only it happens on Coruscant, not Mustafar, almost immediately after the destruction of the temple. Anakin freaks out over having force-choked Padme, throws down his lightsaber, and flees the scene, leaving Obiwan and Yoda to take Padme to Bael Organa's ship where she dies in childbirth. Later, in the company of Palpatine, a distraught Anakin learns of Padme's death and flies into a rage, attacking Palpatine for lying to him. It is here the Emperor reminds him that it was _Anakin's_ actions that killed the woman he loved, and that this is why love and compassion are traps that can only prevent him from realizing his true potential. Anakin then falls into despair over having killed so many and it is here that he, as a coping mechanism for his guilt, creates and assumes the identity of Darth Vader, even donning a black Vader-esque mask so that he no longer has to look at himself. "No. Anakin Skywalker would never kill someone he loved. It was Darth Vader who betrayed and murdered her, just as he betrayed and murdered Anakin Skywalker..." Palpatine then sends Vader to Mustafar, armed with a new red lightsaber, to wipe out the separatists. The subsequent fight between him and Obiwan plays out like normal, only the major difference is that this isn't the screaming, raving Anakin Skywalker who yells "I hate you!", it's the cold and cruel Darth Vader, who calmly boasts about his strength and refuses to answer to "Anakin" any longer. Twisted and evil.
@@MetalRaydown - Not in his suit, in like a proto-suit. I want him to start hiding his face as a coping mechanism for his guilt, not just because it's keeping him alive.
I mean, if you think about it, neither of the three apprentices were "seduced" by the dark side. The same thing happened to maul, he just got taken away from his home like savage to become a slave. Dooku was never "seduced" by the dark side. Both of them were literal puppets of palpatine. So why would Anakin be any different? If anything he should be the one most brainwashed, being harasses by palpatine since his childhood. So yeah, I think is pretty believable the behavior of vader
@@ernestosanchez7666 - My understanding is that Dooku _was_ seduced by the dark side. As a Padawan, he was obsessed with becoming the best lightsaber duelist in the Galaxy, he even went so far as to build a lightsaber that was specially designed for dueling. This raised the eyebrows of the Jedi council, partly because it represented an un-Jedi-like obsession with competition and power, but also because (as far as they knew) the Sith had been extinct for a millennium, which thereby begged the question of who Dooku was training himself to fight. Ultimately this fundamental disagreement with the values of the Jedi led him to leave the Order voluntarily. By the time Palpatine got to him, he had already experimented with and been seduced by the dark side as a means to increase his power. This is reflected in the way he acts in Clone Wars. Far from being a mindless puppet to Palpatine, he is regularly plotting to overthrow him, even training multiple apprentices with that goal in mind. Vader does this too in the original trilogy (trying to recruit Luke to help overthrow the Emperor) and in various other Legends and Canon side material. Sith aren't "puppets" of their masters. They are ambitious and competitive, only loyal to their masters insofar as it allows them to increase their power and bide their time. The largest deviation from this is in Episode III, when Anakin is tricked and seemingly brainwashed into becoming evil, with character development transforming him into the Vader we know happening in the comics.
Imagine if Vader accidentally killed Padme via Force Drain through their bond together. It would be quite tragic and horrible for Vader if he truly did killed his wife accidentally in order to live.
Well in that scenario, Vader wouldn't have killed Padme at all. Palpatine would have to the benefit of Vader. Should Vader ever find out, well-there is either way-the Sith Master will be searching for a new apprentice afterwards.
Actually, palpatine NEVER promised he would save her! His exact words were “to stop death is a power only one has achieved, but you and I together.......”! So he said they will figure it out together, but as of yet he doesn’t know how to save her!”
What is it with these star wars channels. They all click bate the title like it some new info when its just a part of a comic they have all covered ages ago.
Vader: “YOU LIED” Sideous: “bro maybe you shouldn’t have you know crushed her trachea and left her unconscious on a damn lava planet while she was pregnant”
I still like the idea that Sidious sapped Padme from her life force to save Vader. Makes more sense instead of the broken heart/lost the will to live thing.
In a way what Sideous is saying is It's not my fault you were so clouded by your emotions and attachment that you ignored my deception while in fact, knowing that I was deceiving you. I took advantage of moments and knowledge of weaknesses and lack of discipline as a Sith does..."
Darth Sidious didn't lie though. Darth Plageous had taught Sidius how to STOP someone from dying using The Dark Side of The Force. He did NOT teach him how to bring someone BACK from the dead. THAT is a power no Sith or Jedi has, no matter how powerful. In order to stop someone from dying, they must still be alive. Padme died on Senator Organa's ship while Darth Vader was being put into his cybernetic life support suit. So Sidius couldn't save her. Not because he lacked the power to do so, but because she wasn't there with them at the time (contrary to what Disney currently thinks, The Force has rules and limitations).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the movie Sidious quite clearly said they could discover the secret to saving Padame using the dark side together, with their combined skills. He never claimed he could do it.
Tayler Gann depending how much you want to read into it, Windu was literally the master of a lightsaber style designed to turn dark side powers upon the opponent, and Yoda was a master force user who was in many ways unparalleled in his pure force usage. Anakin, and later Vader, was neither. It wasn’t his style either, as everything he did was heavily influenced by the philosophy of counter attacking and overrunning enemies with power. Perhaps he didn’t have the right disposition for learning the skill after Mustafar (assuming he ever did), or maybe he just didn’t feel it was necessary as he didn’t really intend to kill sidious anytime soon. Not sure it’s ever specifically covered in canon, but there is a solid reason the other two could just stop sidious’ lightning and no reason at all to assume Vader could do the same. Hope that helps.
But damn it all Anakin was the one who killed her!!! Sidious is correct he said nothing about he can save Padme from domestic violence at the hands of Anakin himself.
This is why I love Legends more than the current canon. It gives more information about the story but at the same time the new Star Wars novels the in the parts that lead to what else was happening at the time. Even though at the moment, I still prefer Legends because of Luke Skywalker's ultimate power near the end. I might consider Disney's EU later, but not according to the events of the end of Rise of the Skywalker.
I like this storyline. "You know she's dead, but she gave a gift" "Mmm.... Ok. And?" "So now you don't have to fight me and you should stay apprentice" "Wow that is a great logic. You can't really argue with that. But let me ask you question" "What?" "Do you like cheese?" "Well, yes" "See, now I have to kill you" "I don't see logic here" "THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT!" Also by the way order 66 "Hey put chips, so they will be fully obedient to my orders" "Well that doesn't sound suspicious" "Anyway will you do it?" "Ofcource, biologically and technically it is probably impossible, because staff like will cause massive brain damage, that get you army of retards, that you will throw highly train warriors, that also you well can say magic. But you know it is a Star Wars, people believe all kind of bullshit" Midi-chlorian "Hey you know the Force, it is cells in body" "But how it is connect to your brain?" "Why it should be?" "Well you listen to it, not checking your bloodflow" "Good point, maybe Force is some external power, and midi-chlorian cause emanations kinda like radiation to make you susceptible to it, it waves into brain" "Ok, cool. And what actually how if affect person?" "Well, if don't in love, try to stay calm all the time, you'll be fine" "But what if person get angry?" "Well he will power destroy armies and spaceships through the Force" "That's cool." "Yeah and sometimes kill childrens" "What? Guy like that must be some kind of sadistic maniac" "No it will be decent guy, that will fight war for long time, and then his mother, wife wil die. So he will must kill children to please the guy, that was massively responsible in death of his wife and losing his family" "What?" "Well it is rare occasions. Oh and sometimes you kill your father just become more powerfull" "Oh my god!" "And if you don't use for long time, but than you use it, it will kill you" "Maybe we should create a vaccine" "Yeah"
That's it?! "It's your own fault, Vader!" Is it believable that Vader, who would never accept this bullshit from his Jedi masters, accepts unlimited abuse, insult, and deceit from his Sith master? Sidious promises Vader everything if Vader does his bidding. Vader does, and instead of profiting he loses everything and becomes an enslaved errand boy living in constant pain. He then just goes along with it. I just find it contrived and unbelievable. He was so frustrated at his slow advancement with the Jedi, and angry at percieved slights. Suddenly, he turns to the dark side and is comfortable being treated like a dog and never receiving another promotion. His life is clearly inferior in every way after becoming Sidious' follower, as Vader himself is clearly painfully aware. This comes down to his final meeting with Padme. Vader doesn't know what he's thinking because the writing is poor and a story isn't well conceived in this regard. Even after Anakin embraces the dark side because he's promised it will secure Padme, she offers herself to him and he inexplicably chokes her and rejects her. The only explanation for the actions of this character having no consistency is "anger". Anakin should even then, after killing Jedi, have rejected Sidious. Because it's obvious he can't be a Sith and have her, and he chooses the Sith. But why? We're told that he only becomes Sith because he's afraid of losing her, but he chooses to be Sith at the price of losing her. This story is broken. Vader has no convincing motive for his actions. "He's angry" is not a real motive. Neither is "Sidious has powers of persuasion". He's not so persuasive as to get Anakin to voluntarily kill everything he loves and enslave himself to the Sith. Padme was never really even in danger in the first place, except from Sidious! Once Anakin identified Sidious he would have known that Sidious is the major danger to Padme. Then he joins Sidious, leaving Padme to die. He acts like he desires to have Sidious, not Padme. What we're told of his motivations doesn't match his actions.
Vader: you told me you could save Padme! Sidious: are we really talking about her still? Stop being such a loser and get over her already! Your Darth Vader! Get another girl already! You never see me whining about a girl and I have hundreds of them.
Sidious: you really think i want the potential leader of say... a rebel alliance to restore the Republic to live? Are you sure you are her husband? Have you never listen to her speeches?
MrKevin486 Thats what I thought, it’s just I have a problem where if something doesn’t line up, it really aggravates me and I keep trying to make excuses in my head so that it can line up, that’s why the X-Men movies bother me even though I love most of them.
He touched palpatine with the force, pinned him down, choked his ass... now thats power from the strongest, he broke palps damn natural force field like nothing.
A person may die but their presence can be preserved by making a DNA copy (clone) of them. The clone may not be them but the small ticks and ways of dealing with life will be expressed in the clone. Vader will have been wise to become my apprentice.
I still want to know when they finished building darth Vader. And Vader went in a rage cuz padme died and the room was shaking and stuff was breaking how in the hell did the papeitine didn't feel anything @star wars reading club or any subscriber?
I think that the emperor would just send clones to kill padme and Anakin would not be to do anything to save her. There would be to many clones around unless obi wan and yoda were there will him to fight off the clones. I think that even if the emperor is dead the clones would want to kill the queen so she would be hunted down that way.
Who said that Palpatine ever actually lied? Palpy said he could PREVENT death, not reverse it. Palpatine is just claiming to be a better doctor then that 'She lost the will to live' med-droid. Palpy would just Zap some will-2-live back into her as their was apparently nothing ACTUALLY wrong with her. Like seriously a good motivational speaker could have saved Padme.
Although Sidious did manipulate Anakin's dreams and lied about some stuff,he wasn't really lying in this case. It was Anakin's fault for not keeping his cool which resulted in Padme being harmed and being too cocky in his duel with Obi Wan which resulted in his injuries. If we want to follow the force life drain theory,it makes a bit more sense,since it woudn't have been needed if he didn't do those mistakes. It is fully his fault.
of course in legends and the same novel dark lord rise of Darth Vader, Palpatine acknowledged that he would have had to find some way to kill Padme anyway.
Actually Palps NEVER said they would save her but only that if they worked together he was confident that they could find the secret! That is not the same as saying they definitely would save her. Well at least in the movie. I dont read the comics.
Yes he did tell Anakin that, when he revealed himself. He straight up said he could save her. "Know the power of the dark side. The power to save Padme" Prior to that in the same scene "Learn to know the dark side of the force and you will be able to save your wife from certain death"
@@SealofPerfection I will have to rewatch it again. Thank you for pointing that out to me. It has been a very long time since I watched it and admittedly I should have rewatched it before leaving that comment. Thank you for correcting me without being a jerk about it like a lot of people do.
If palpatine told Vader It was his anger that caused padmes death, then why didn’t anakin just leave and try to let go of his anger? He should’ve figured like “oh shit the dark side of the force made me do this.” “What the fuck am I doing?”
In starwars 3 rots They should have gone with this segment Vader confronts sidious when arising from the medic table Has that confrontation with sidious m Force pushes him And sidious force lightening being used on Vader as a reminder Then finally giving in and serving the emperor Now that’s 1000 times better than the Cringy ‘noooooooo’
Palpatine: "Ok, so I lied. What are you gonna do about it? Throw me down a shaft?"
Vader: Hmmm.....🤔
Palpatine: Lord Vader.....😠
Vader: Just kidding!😅😈
Vader:nah,i just gonna throw you on the shaft destroy your body and you gonna transfer your body to a clone which failed and you gonna be killed by my grandchildren's partner
Palpatine:what?
Vader:what?
NotMy RealName some robot chicken shit right there lol
*_Y E E T_*
Palpatine meet Gollum meet Hitler meet our MSM and 'narratives' (propaganda) that everything wrong in the world today including Brexit and Trump is Russia's fault not the American and British voting public, just as they did about WMD's in Iraq. THEY LIED! *'We lie, we cheat, we steal..we even have training programs'* Mike Pompeo SOS and ex CIA chief to CIA meeting in 2019 all to great applause by the immoral warmongering so called 'Intelligence Agencies'. *'So this is how democracy dies, to cheers!'* Padme in 'Revenge of the Sith'. IMHO the best SW film ever.
Vader: "You lied. I can't bring Padme back to life!"
Sidious: "Bro, I didn't think you were gonna crush her f*ckin windpipe! No amount of space wizardy gonna fix that!"
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NO. I couldn’t have she was alive I felt it
Vader: "You LIED about being able to heal Padme!"
Palpatine: "Chill, I can heal her right now with the Force, my granddaughter just did it with Ben Swolo."
SWOLO
*I'M WHEEZING*
Ben Solo brought Rey back to life and scarified his life for it.
I actually did some research and the main reason it wouldn't have worked is because-
A) Anakin sucked at Force Healing. Straight-Up, just not good at it. Neither was Obi-Wan, so unless they wanted to full on reveal their secret marriage and child(ren) to someone who could help, they couldn't do that.
B) In the same way that the Force is sort of unknowable and limitless, its abilities are ambiguous- sometimes you just can't Force Heal people. The Force doesn't allow it, or the wounds are too severe, circumstancal.
For example- Rey healed Ben from a lightsaber stab wound, that for all intents and purposes, would have killed him had Rey not healed him. Rey's death and subsequent healing from Ben felt very similar, the main difference being their switch in position and the fact that both had fatal experiences but Rey had actually died already. This always stuck me as- "Rey is very capable of Force Healing, but Ben is not and it sapped him of his strength." Everything is situational.
*Guess being bad at Force Healing just runs in the family :)*
He isn't swole
Lucy Gabbert the Disney Star Wars arent canon. the Jedi are taught to never get too high or too low over something
its such a basic Jedi teaching to not act like what Luke acted like in episode 8, and it doesnt matter if he was so hurt because of what happened. Jedi Masters have such a strong connection and belief in the force no problem is going to make them f**ing abandon it. a Sith could f**ing do that a Padawan or even Knight could do it but DEFINITELY not a f**ing Jedi Master. once u reach that level of belief and know the truth for sure u dont just stop believing in it thats impossible. Disney doesnt know anything about Star Wars
"...if you ever touch me through the Force again, I will finish what Obi Wan could not!" 😉
neil murphy He can only touch him physically then?
Matthew Corcoran lol..I don't know, in Darth Plagueis novel seems it's the Master who instigates touching, eg hands on shoulders of apprentice kind of filial support or commendation after mission?
@@matthewcorcoran2891 He did. Threw his life into pieces. 😎
@@WarlockGhorst what is up with the sexual crap?
@@Timber_wolf85 I just meant the scene in Return of the Jedi.
Vader knew from the moment that Palpatine revealed himself as Darth Sidious that he's been lying to him since he was a little boy. Vader should've known not to trust a single word that wrinkling old bastard said to him but he did and now, Vader has lost everything due to his own dumbassery.
Seriously. Anyone else would have thought "HEYYYY....so you're telling me that YOU are the cause of EVERYTHING wrong the last 20 years and everything you've ever told me was a lie, but I'm supposed to NOW disregard that and believe the lying liar of all liars that there is a Jedi plot that I somehow don't know about, AND you can save Padme?"
That was Anakin's biggest flaw he was afraid of losing the people he cared about and was obsessed with trying to prevent it.
@@AxisChurchDevotee pretty much, Palpatine used his weakness against him
Some Puerto rican guy Vader weakness was his desire for family and love. Vader being a former Slave desire family and love especially after his mother died. The only reason Vader turned to the Dark Side was over his wife and child. He could care less about Obi Wan and the Jedi.
You mean Anakin knew Palpatine was lying to him all those years, he revealed himself as Darth Sidious before he was Darth Vader hello come on get it right. Lol I'm just messin with ya
Palpatine: You ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Anakin: You mean that novel by James Luceno? Yeah, it's one helluva book
Palaptine: …
Written and Directed by George Lucas
I hear the music
Vader: “You told me you could save her!”
Palpatine: “In your rage, you chose a different path.”
Me: “Well.....
Yes.”
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Well, palpatine was kind of right. In episode lll, Anakin force chokes padme because he was angry about her “turning” against him, when she was really trying to turn him back to the light. Anakin’s rage blinded him so much that he ended up killing padme, and if he kept his anger in check, he could have saved her. So yeah, palpatine’s logic is on point.
Marvel Dude There’s actually a theory that you know how in the movie, it keeps flashing between Padmë and Vader on the table? How Padmë takes her last breath when Vader takes his first as a new person? Well, some speculate that during the operation, Sidious was drawing the life out of Padmë to keep his apprentice alive. It probably would be confirmed if we just saw a little bit more of Vader’s surroundings and we saw Sidious concentrating on the force. There is also some guesses that Palpatine changed the report of her death so that Vader would think that he killed her. It’s just a theory, but a really interesting one.
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bropooo I wish padme showed up out of nowhere. I wish palpie pulled off that trick of falsifying her death report. man that's an interesting theory!
Captain Voluntaryist The Statist Slayer It is interesting, but that’s not exactly what I was saying. The theory is that Palpatine changed the report to look like she was perfectly healthy when she died, so that Vader thought it was because of him choking her.
Vader: Hey wait a minute you said i killed Padme in my anger.
Hishe 🤣
_Uh... she lost the will to live?_
This a Madhouse, MADHOUSE.
Palpatine: uhh....she...lost the will to live?
Vader: *So that was a f*cking lie*
Anakin: You said you could save my wife from certain death.
Palpatine: I never said that. Where do you come up with this stuff!?!
Plays recording
I read this in the Robot Chicken voices and it's so much better😂
In the movies Palpatine seems like a cool and calm mastermind but in the lore he acts like a crazy scientist
He's more angry in the lore because he only gets paid for the films, he's a cool and calm mastermind in the films because he knows his cable bill will be paid and he won't miss NFL RedZone.
I think Darth Vader knew Sidious was lying to him from the very beginning of his Sith career, but was too obsessed with saving Padme to do anything about it
Sparticus Booker It’s inferred that’s Darth Sidious killed Padme in the newly canon comic books. When she died the medical droids communicated that there wasn’t anything to cause her death after she gave birth. I always thought it was “interesting” that Padme loss the will to live. Like what type of diagnosis, haha. At least say she had a strained heart or something. But it’s fine. My guess is that Palpatine used some type of force drain on her. But ehhh.
Vader did everything to save Padme, this is true. Granted they were other reasons as to why he disliked the Jedi furthermore turning to pure hatred once he turned. The Clone Wars gives a ton of reasons as to why. But once Vader found out about Padme’s death, he instantly regretted everything that he had done. He even came to see the Emperor for what he really was. But.... Vader still had a plan. That was resurrect Padme, and destroy the Emperor. The reason Vader even had his Mustafar castle was so that it would function as a place for him to Chanel his hatred and to use it as a frankenstein like base for the resurrection of Padme. But after countless times of failing, Vader came to the realization that he can never bring Padme back. Thus further launching him into a void of darkness where he was just more dead inside than he was before. Of course than he finds out about Luke and boom. The dead man finds breath again.
@@thesigmamale1720 yeah that line always makes me shake my head ShE loSt ThE WiLl tO LiVe
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Wat ._.
"And now..."
(In Palpatine's mind: UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAAAAH!!!)
*Exceptionally fast decisions* still don't beat the *High Ground.*
Nothing does
Palps: "Will you accept pain... or will you die?"
Vader: "I will... live."
Palps: "I GOT THE POWER!!!!"
(Proceeds to zap Vader)
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And yet he believed that Palpatine could keep Padame alive but lied.
Well to be fair he never said he would teach him or even knew it himself
Trayton Vanderecken Even if Palpatine knew how too he would never help Padme. She is an enemy to the Empire.
Padame*
Padaname or Pandabear or whatever her name was.
This sidious anakin relationship speaks volumes to modern relationships
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Toxic as fuck
Atheist relationships yeah
Poor Anakin didn't even suspect that Palpatine not only manipulated his dreams but he also killed Padmé using some variant of force drain.
EmperorNerd55 no, but...only a Sith deals in absolutes 😂
@@TwoFace123-f2n Read comics online
Wraith Black I don't think uve thought how anger, hatred, and fear clouds thinking..it sounds easy to oppose Sidious but Vader's mind was twisted..not that straightforward to break away..bit like addiction maybe?
@@neilmurphy966 Palpatine was powerful enough to drain the life force of trillions, he clouded the mind of all the jedi including Yoda, he levitated the super star destroyer Lusankya and after that wiped the minds of billions of Coruscanti and finally he could create force storms capable of devouring worlds. Palpatine doesn't need to demonstrate how powerful he simply is.
EmperorNerd55 u will try!!! 😆
Vader: but what about saving Padme?
Palpatine: that sounds like a you problem.
He didnt lie, he said "to cheat death is a power only 1 has achieved, but if we work together" He implied 2x he didnt know how to save her. The question is, did he know that duel was goin to happen
I kind of felt that when you said Sidious was all he had left. He was once a close friend of Anakin and once Padme died and Obi-Wan had betrayed him, he had no one else except Sidious.
Whilst it's certainly in character for the rage of Anakin/Vader to require immediate answers as is seen in the cannon version, I always really appreciated the idea that he sat on this accusation for several weeks. The conversation between the 2 Sith in the Dark Lord novel is a wonderful one in which many issues are brought up including Dooku and the question of what a Sith victory even looks like. So yeah I'll always have a soft spot for the legends version of this 😊 thank you very much for making a video on this. Your videos are always very much appreciated xx
Well, Palpatine told nothing but the truth on this matter
His love and fear for Padme became his undoing when he surrendered to Palpetine.
Another AWESOME video!!
Thank you for watching and for the support!
I think Vader constantly kept his anger and rage hidden from Palpatine because, even while he knew the Emperor most likely lied to him about Padme’s death, he always knew Palpatine had access to dark side powers and Sith abilities that he could still use to resurrect her. His hate for Palpatine was only surface deep; The Emperor knew this as well. It kept him bound to Palpatine, despite wanting to kill him. Palpatine knew this and used it against Vader, knowing his apprentice would never make an attempt on his life, thus he fabricated and maintained lies to keep Vader his lap dog.
I like the fact that he pushes him with the force. It shows their relationship compared to maul and dooku.
I like that a lot too. Someone like Dooku ate up all of the bs Palpatine was serving and STILL never even at least tried to kill/subdue him. These comics let us know Vader always had a breaking point well before Return of the Jedi
I like your channel brings back nostalgia from when i was growing up in the 80s reading Comic Books
For once Sidious told the truth. The one part I did like about the ROTS is Padme dying as Anakin is brought back from the brink of death and the possibility that Sidious was using the Darkside to drain her life to save Vader's. No matter how you look at it Padme died because Anakin was weak. If he had truly loved her he would not have murdered innocents to save her because she would never had wanted that. Padme was kind and caring wanting to fight for what was right. The one thing that boggles my mind is Vader never asks about his children. Padme was caring twins and he knew it but didn't seem to care whether they lived or died. He was a self bastard and he deserved ten times the pain he endured.
He never knew she carried twins. Vader learned during his duel with luke in Return of the Jedi when Luke's thoughts were read by Vader
Bruh, he didn't even know she lived long enough to give birth. He always thought she died before childbirth.
When he did find out he had a son, he was *obssessed* with making him join him.
Clearly, he cared about his kids. And while he deserves a lot of the pain he feels, its mostly for the cruel genocide and other horrible crimes he commited, not "not loving Padme enough".
At least get your facts straight before hating on Vader for "not caring about Padme and his kids" cuz he clearly did.
@@pkmntrainerred4247 A woman doesn't need to be alive for the children to survive at full term so he should have been concerned about what happened to his kids regardless if he thought she had died. He was obsessed with defeating Palps and Luke could help with that I'm not convinced it was because he truly loved his child, until the end when he finally does the right thing and puts his family ahead of a person promising him power. My facts are fine. You interpret them as you wish and I will do the same. There's no law saying we have to agree nor that disagreeing makes either of us less. No point getting upset over this fictional character.
@@Parents_of_Twins I'm not really upset. Well, I guess I was before, but not now. I just thought you missed the fact that Anakin had assumed that he killed Padme and the kids died with her.
Even then, I'd argue that he truly did love Padme, at least before his fear of losing her turned his love into obssession, and that he did care about his kids, he just assumed that the kids died with her.
And I interpret him offering Luke to join the dark side was another attempt at forming a family and connection.
One thing I can state for sure as a fact is that Vader definitely assumed that he had killed her and that the kid(s) died with her. Especiallywhen you see his reaction to discovering he has a son in the Darth Vader 2015 comics (canon) (Also, Certain parts of those comics also put into perspective how Vader does care about his son... to an unhealthily obssessive degree, ofc).
Ofc, disagreeing doesn't make any of us lesser, we all have our interpretations, so I lets agree to disagree.
You do make a point tho, Vader was pretty selfish. He didn't really consider what Padme thought of the supposed possibility of her dying before going down the path he did.
Vader: You told me you could save Padme if I do anything you asked.
Sidious: I’m altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.
This is why Jedi must be taught the Dark Side in order to control it.
All he needed was “Magic Hands”.
Rob D Is this similar to Spirit Fingers?
*Use the magic hands baby! Magic hands!*
One of the Star Wars TH-camrs (probably Yellow Flash) called Rey’s force healing Magic Hands. I though it was applicable. 😀
@@robd9049 It was Robot Head in his critique video for the rise of skywalker
“I need the magic handsssss-“
If Darth Vader killed palpatine for lying the original trilogy would be even more awesome. Like in The empire strikes back Darth Vader learned that his son is alive and his daughter and confronted and killed palpatine for being unloyal . But with the Rule of 2 by Darth Bane, he’ll need an apprentice to serve him and searches for Luke
Naintara Devraj not without pure hatred and anger
Yes I’ve always wanted to know why Vader never accused sidious of lying, great video
Vaders scorched brain: the real reason vader hunted down and killed watto.
He didn't lie, he could clearly "do it" but he didn't.
Instead, he transferred Padmé's life energy into Vader. If you pay attention, you hear Anakin's heart stop beating and when the mask goes on, the heartbeat resumes and Vader is born.
The Legends version makes more sense to me. Vader coming to grips that he killed the only person (in his mind) that truly loved him and just accepting that all he had left was the dark side explains why he never kills Luke in the original trilogy. Maybe saving Luke and throwing Palpatine down the shaft was Vader's way of rectifying his original mistake of joining the dark side.
I'm not a huge Star Wars buff, so if I'm dead wrong let me know, im down to talk some Star Wars right now lol
I completely understand why anakin fell to the dark side he knew everything he was doing was wrong but after losing his mother he didn’t want any regrets he didn’t want to lose padme because he wasn’t strong enough.
The character is one of the best written characters of our generation. You can argue both sides but in the end he lost it all sideous prayed on anakins emotions and doubt of the Jedi order. In the end when he cut mace windus arm he thought “Fuck the Jedi order, they never trusted me anyway” which is natural and once he committed to his path he had to keep going which led to the Jedi purge.
Darth Vader's suit makes him immune to the Corona virus.
Þórfinnr Karlsefni Þórðarson thats aggressive
John Smith chill out, He’s not lying Vader’s suit makes him immune to the virus, it might just be you that’s doesn’t know what they’re talking about
Vader: So if I didn't carry out in being a Sith she would've lived? I mean if I wasn't a Sith, then those kids wouldn't die, this now means that Padme wouldn't be sad, that means, I wouldn't be angry and have choke her while she's pregnant, which then she might've survived the the childbirth... PALPATINE IT'S YOU'RE FAULT!!!
Palpatine:Its ancient sith magic called clickbait "_"
Just like Satan, Darth Sidious is a master of lies.
One to one comparisons like this really show just how simplistic Disney's Star Wars is. To them everything can be resolved by a lightsaber duel and there are no shades of grey.
In legends the line was always blurred, now for example the Empire is evil because they are the stereotypical and inept goons that are no match for the good guys
Vader: but you said! I Betrayed the Jedi & my master! You said you would help me save Padme!
Sidious: I say a lot of things.
Vader: I never should’ve listened to you!
Sidious: hindsight is 20/20.
One of the most compelling things about Palpatine and Vader, was how Palpatine would occasionally give Vader 2/3 of the truth. It’s almost like Palpatine was teaching Vader, Listen, I cant bring your wife back, but I will be your Frenemy, with Friend being the Stronger aspect. If you try to kill me, I’ll swat you down, but if you work with me I’ll give you a target for your rage that isn’t us, there is a galaxy full of targets for you to take it out on. Just not me or Tarkin, Deal?
I mean, you'd have thought he'd catch on when he screamed "UNLIMITED POWERRR" when using Force Lightning on Mace Windu.
Actually he didn't lie. He told him he knew TOGETHER they could discover the secret. Technically, Sith don't lie, they use the truth to their ends.
You killed padme
Well no but actually yes
If she died in a Jedi hospital, is it possible she was converted to force ghost?
It always bothered me how Anakin's motivation seems to shift without reason in Episode III. Across two movies, the thing motivating his journey down the dark path has been his obsession with protecting those close to him. This explains why he would kill Windu and lead the attack on the Jedi Temple, but it doesn't quite explain why he continues to serve Palpatine after Padme has been removed from the equation. It seems like we're supposed to believe that, at that point, he's being mind controlled so much by Palpatine that he just goes with it, but I never liked this interpretation because it means he didn't have agency over his decision to become the Darth Vader we all know. That he wasn't really "seduced" by the dark side, just tricked and brainwashed into mindless obedience. What he needed was some new development in his motivation to get him from point B to point C. These comics provide that, but that's (again) something that needed to be in the movie, not relegated to side stories.
So I think a better chain of events for Episode III would be to set up two different transitional points in his progression to Darth Vader. The first one is when Anakin Skywalker agrees to help Palpatine in exchange for preventing Padme's death, leading the assault on the Jedi Temple. This move makes sense because it's motivated by everything we know about the character up until this point. However, he's still not quite Darth Vader yet.
The second transition happens after Padme's death, and Anakin realizes that he killed innocent people for basically no reason and is forced to come to terms with that fact. This is the most important point in his transition because it marks a drastic shift in his character motivations; when he goes from being motivated by attachment to being motivated by his belief in power and order.
So, after the Jedi Temple attack, Analin's confrontation with Padme (which turns violent) happens normally, only it happens on Coruscant, not Mustafar, almost immediately after the destruction of the temple. Anakin freaks out over having force-choked Padme, throws down his lightsaber, and flees the scene, leaving Obiwan and Yoda to take Padme to Bael Organa's ship where she dies in childbirth.
Later, in the company of Palpatine, a distraught Anakin learns of Padme's death and flies into a rage, attacking Palpatine for lying to him. It is here the Emperor reminds him that it was _Anakin's_ actions that killed the woman he loved, and that this is why love and compassion are traps that can only prevent him from realizing his true potential. Anakin then falls into despair over having killed so many and it is here that he, as a coping mechanism for his guilt, creates and assumes the identity of Darth Vader, even donning a black Vader-esque mask so that he no longer has to look at himself. "No. Anakin Skywalker would never kill someone he loved. It was Darth Vader who betrayed and murdered her, just as he betrayed and murdered Anakin Skywalker..."
Palpatine then sends Vader to Mustafar, armed with a new red lightsaber, to wipe out the separatists. The subsequent fight between him and Obiwan plays out like normal, only the major difference is that this isn't the screaming, raving Anakin Skywalker who yells "I hate you!", it's the cold and cruel Darth Vader, who calmly boasts about his strength and refuses to answer to "Anakin" any longer. Twisted and evil.
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@@FromsoftgoatKaj - I've seen it. It doesn't make the events of Revenge of the Sith any less jarring.
@@MetalRaydown - Not in his suit, in like a proto-suit. I want him to start hiding his face as a coping mechanism for his guilt, not just because it's keeping him alive.
I mean, if you think about it, neither of the three apprentices were "seduced" by the dark side. The same thing happened to maul, he just got taken away from his home like savage to become a slave. Dooku was never "seduced" by the dark side. Both of them were literal puppets of palpatine. So why would Anakin be any different? If anything he should be the one most brainwashed, being harasses by palpatine since his childhood. So yeah, I think is pretty believable the behavior of vader
@@ernestosanchez7666 - My understanding is that Dooku _was_ seduced by the dark side. As a Padawan, he was obsessed with becoming the best lightsaber duelist in the Galaxy, he even went so far as to build a lightsaber that was specially designed for dueling. This raised the eyebrows of the Jedi council, partly because it represented an un-Jedi-like obsession with competition and power, but also because (as far as they knew) the Sith had been extinct for a millennium, which thereby begged the question of who Dooku was training himself to fight.
Ultimately this fundamental disagreement with the values of the Jedi led him to leave the Order voluntarily. By the time Palpatine got to him, he had already experimented with and been seduced by the dark side as a means to increase his power. This is reflected in the way he acts in Clone Wars. Far from being a mindless puppet to Palpatine, he is regularly plotting to overthrow him, even training multiple apprentices with that goal in mind.
Vader does this too in the original trilogy (trying to recruit Luke to help overthrow the Emperor) and in various other Legends and Canon side material. Sith aren't "puppets" of their masters. They are ambitious and competitive, only loyal to their masters insofar as it allows them to increase their power and bide their time. The largest deviation from this is in Episode III, when Anakin is tricked and seemingly brainwashed into becoming evil, with character development transforming him into the Vader we know happening in the comics.
It’s heart breaking how Vader was left hopeless ,powerless and loveless after joining the Sith
Imagine if Vader accidentally killed Padme via Force Drain through their bond together. It would be quite tragic and horrible for Vader if he truly did killed his wife accidentally in order to live.
Well in that scenario, Vader wouldn't have killed Padme at all. Palpatine would have to the benefit of Vader. Should Vader ever find out, well-there is either way-the Sith Master will be searching for a new apprentice afterwards.
Could you put subtitles to your videos because im from finland and i like your videos but sometimes i dont understand.
Actually, palpatine NEVER promised he would save her! His exact words were “to stop death is a power only one has achieved, but you and I together.......”! So he said they will figure it out together, but as of yet he doesn’t know how to save her!”
It's unfortunate many people can't see it.
Great video
Well considering that Rise of the Retcons established that you can resurrect people with just Force healing.
Sidious could have saved her he just didn't want to. His grand daughter Rey was able to heal and save the life of an animal.
Because Rey had access to the ancient Jedi texts. But anyways Palps never said he could revive anyone so that was Vader's mistake
@@MrCODEmaster999 Yes he did. He said it himself. "He taught his apprentice everything he knew. Then his apprentice killed him in his sleep."
@@SethBrundleify He never said he was the apprentice and told Anakin the power to cheat death was achieved by someone other than him.
@@MrCODEmaster999 Its pretty obvious he lied about not knowing how to cheat death.
What is it with these star wars channels. They all click bate the title like it some new info when its just a part of a comic they have all covered ages ago.
"it seems in your anger you killed her" Darth sidious
A sith Lord lied. And anakin is surprised.
Vader: “YOU LIED”
Sideous: “bro maybe you shouldn’t have you know crushed her trachea and left her unconscious on a damn lava planet while she was pregnant”
I think his confrontation with sidious in canon makes sense, after what he was told to believe
Don't think about that
Now that force healing exists, this whole plot point sort of falls apart
Force Healing exists from a long time ago, before Disney.
Before the dark times
I still like the idea that Sidious sapped Padme from her life force to save Vader. Makes more sense instead of the broken heart/lost the will to live thing.
Palpatine: hey wanna be a Sith Lord to save your wife your not suppose to be married to?
Anakin: Yes.
Written and directed by George Lucas
I left a like for *Exceptionally fast decisions*
In a way what Sideous is saying is
It's not my fault you were so clouded by your emotions and attachment that you ignored my deception while in fact, knowing that I was deceiving you. I took advantage of moments and knowledge of weaknesses and lack of discipline as a Sith does..."
"More Machine than Man." I think sometimes we forget that Vader is Human.
More like Palpatine's puppet. Until Luke cut the strings
Darth Sidious didn't lie though. Darth Plageous had taught Sidius how to STOP someone from dying using The Dark Side of The Force. He did NOT teach him how to bring someone BACK from the dead. THAT is a power no Sith or Jedi has, no matter how powerful.
In order to stop someone from dying, they must still be alive. Padme died on Senator Organa's ship while Darth Vader was being put into his cybernetic life support suit. So Sidius couldn't save her. Not because he lacked the power to do so, but because she wasn't there with them at the time (contrary to what Disney currently thinks, The Force has rules and limitations).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the movie Sidious quite clearly said they could discover the secret to saving Padame using the dark side together, with their combined skills. He never claimed he could do it.
“I have the power to save the one you love”
Vader : he’s gunna fucking regret that
Anakin's rage Vs Vader's anguish.
Who won? Of course anger always wins
I just can’t understand why Vader couldn’t just block or reflect palpatines force lighting like mace windu was able to do
Tayler Gann depending how much you want to read into it, Windu was literally the master of a lightsaber style designed to turn dark side powers upon the opponent, and Yoda was a master force user who was in many ways unparalleled in his pure force usage. Anakin, and later Vader, was neither. It wasn’t his style either, as everything he did was heavily influenced by the philosophy of counter attacking and overrunning enemies with power. Perhaps he didn’t have the right disposition for learning the skill after Mustafar (assuming he ever did), or maybe he just didn’t feel it was necessary as he didn’t really intend to kill sidious anytime soon. Not sure it’s ever specifically covered in canon, but there is a solid reason the other two could just stop sidious’ lightning and no reason at all to assume Vader could do the same. Hope that helps.
Its a flaw that should have been better thought out. Still love Star Wars more than any other story.
He can. Here he was without his lightsaber
It makes sense that that Jedi can heal ppl and dark side can basically just keep you alive the darkside is mostly about self desires.
I was just thinking about that. Opens youtube and what do i found? This video in my recommendations.
But damn it all Anakin was the one who killed her!!! Sidious is correct he said nothing about he can save Padme from domestic violence at the hands of Anakin himself.
This is why I love Legends more than the current canon. It gives more information about the story but at the same time the new Star Wars novels the in the parts that lead to what else was happening at the time. Even though at the moment, I still prefer Legends because of Luke Skywalker's ultimate power near the end. I might consider Disney's EU later, but not according to the events of the end of Rise of the Skywalker.
Canon Vader comic arc was fascinating. It brought new interesting lore and a new sith lord. But let's forget that the sequels ever happened.
This should have been in the movie.
You guys should remember that Darth Vader said that he couldn't have killed her because he felt her life when she was alive
He didn’t lie he said that he didn’t know how to save Padmé but they could learn together
I like this storyline.
"You know she's dead, but she gave a gift"
"Mmm.... Ok. And?"
"So now you don't have to fight me and you should stay apprentice"
"Wow that is a great logic. You can't really argue with that. But let me ask you question"
"What?"
"Do you like cheese?"
"Well, yes"
"See, now I have to kill you"
"I don't see logic here"
"THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT!"
Also by the way order 66
"Hey put chips, so they will be fully obedient to my orders"
"Well that doesn't sound suspicious"
"Anyway will you do it?"
"Ofcource, biologically and technically it is probably impossible, because staff like will cause massive brain damage, that get you army of retards, that you will throw highly train warriors, that also you well can say magic. But you know it is a Star Wars, people believe all kind of bullshit"
Midi-chlorian
"Hey you know the Force, it is cells in body"
"But how it is connect to your brain?"
"Why it should be?"
"Well you listen to it, not checking your bloodflow"
"Good point, maybe Force is some external power, and midi-chlorian cause emanations kinda like radiation to make you susceptible to it, it waves into brain"
"Ok, cool. And what actually how if affect person?"
"Well, if don't in love, try to stay calm all the time, you'll be fine"
"But what if person get angry?"
"Well he will power destroy armies and spaceships through the Force"
"That's cool."
"Yeah and sometimes kill childrens"
"What? Guy like that must be some kind of sadistic maniac"
"No it will be decent guy, that will fight war for long time, and then his mother, wife wil die. So he will must kill children to please the guy, that was massively responsible in death of his wife and losing his family"
"What?"
"Well it is rare occasions. Oh and sometimes you kill your father just become more powerfull"
"Oh my god!"
"And if you don't use for long time, but than you use it, it will kill you"
"Maybe we should create a vaccine"
"Yeah"
I feel like u don’t like the prequels
That's it?! "It's your own fault, Vader!" Is it believable that Vader, who would never accept this bullshit from his Jedi masters, accepts unlimited abuse, insult, and deceit from his Sith master? Sidious promises Vader everything if Vader does his bidding. Vader does, and instead of profiting he loses everything and becomes an enslaved errand boy living in constant pain. He then just goes along with it. I just find it contrived and unbelievable. He was so frustrated at his slow advancement with the Jedi, and angry at percieved slights. Suddenly, he turns to the dark side and is comfortable being treated like a dog and never receiving another promotion. His life is clearly inferior in every way after becoming Sidious' follower, as Vader himself is clearly painfully aware.
This comes down to his final meeting with Padme. Vader doesn't know what he's thinking because the writing is poor and a story isn't well conceived in this regard. Even after Anakin embraces the dark side because he's promised it will secure Padme, she offers herself to him and he inexplicably chokes her and rejects her. The only explanation for the actions of this character having no consistency is "anger". Anakin should even then, after killing Jedi, have rejected Sidious. Because it's obvious he can't be a Sith and have her, and he chooses the Sith. But why? We're told that he only becomes Sith because he's afraid of losing her, but he chooses to be Sith at the price of losing her. This story is broken. Vader has no convincing motive for his actions. "He's angry" is not a real motive. Neither is "Sidious has powers of persuasion". He's not so persuasive as to get Anakin to voluntarily kill everything he loves and enslave himself to the Sith.
Padme was never really even in danger in the first place, except from Sidious! Once Anakin identified Sidious he would have known that Sidious is the major danger to Padme. Then he joins Sidious, leaving Padme to die. He acts like he desires to have Sidious, not Padme. What we're told of his motivations doesn't match his actions.
Vader: you told me you could save Padme!
Sidious: are we really talking about her still? Stop being such a loser and get over her already! Your Darth Vader! Get another girl already! You never see me whining about a girl and I have hundreds of them.
Sidious: you really think i want the potential leader of say... a rebel alliance to restore the Republic to live?
Are you sure you are her husband? Have you never listen to her speeches?
So does this mean that the scene in Revenge of the Sith is non canon because it’s different in the comics?
The movie's trump everything else so if a novel or whatever says something different then the movie, the movie always wins out.
MrKevin486 Thats what I thought, it’s just I have a problem where if something doesn’t line up, it really aggravates me and I keep trying to make excuses in my head so that it can line up, that’s why the X-Men movies bother me even though I love most of them.
Padmé was my biggest lost.
He touched palpatine with the force, pinned him down, choked his ass... now thats power from the strongest, he broke palps damn natural force field like nothing.
A person may die but their presence can be preserved by making a DNA copy (clone) of them. The clone may not be them but the small ticks and ways of dealing with life will be expressed in the clone. Vader will have been wise to become my apprentice.
You covered this material before.
What Vader should really ask palpatine how padme managed to deliver 2 kids after she is killed by his anger in ROTJ...
I still want to know when they finished building darth Vader. And Vader went in a rage cuz padme died and the room was shaking and stuff was breaking how in the hell did the papeitine didn't feel anything @star wars reading club or any subscriber?
Anakin could have saved Padme if he just waited like Mace Windu told him to.
I think that the emperor would just send clones to kill padme and Anakin would not be to do anything to save her. There would be to many clones around unless obi wan and yoda were there will him to fight off the clones. I think that even if the emperor is dead the clones would want to kill the queen so she would be hunted down that way.
Anybody noticed that both Luke and Rey didn't get optimal training, still Rey came out to be the strongest one...WtF!
It shouldn't even be a year before he asked that question 🤔 and what was his answer?
Who said that Palpatine ever actually lied? Palpy said he could PREVENT death, not reverse it. Palpatine is just claiming to be a better doctor then that 'She lost the will to live' med-droid. Palpy would just Zap some will-2-live back into her as their was apparently nothing ACTUALLY wrong with her. Like seriously a good motivational speaker could have saved Padme.
Although Sidious did manipulate Anakin's dreams and lied about some stuff,he wasn't really lying in this case. It was Anakin's fault for not keeping his cool which resulted in Padme being harmed and being too cocky in his duel with Obi Wan which resulted in his injuries. If we want to follow the force life drain theory,it makes a bit more sense,since it woudn't have been needed if he didn't do those mistakes. It is fully his fault.
of course in legends and the same novel dark lord rise of Darth Vader, Palpatine acknowledged that he would have had to find some way to kill Padme anyway.
Actually Palps NEVER said they would save her but only that if they worked together he was confident that they could find the secret! That is not the same as saying they definitely would save her.
Well at least in the movie. I dont read the comics.
Yes he did tell Anakin that, when he revealed himself. He straight up said he could save her. "Know the power of the dark side. The power to save Padme" Prior to that in the same scene "Learn to know the dark side of the force and you will be able to save your wife from certain death"
@@SealofPerfection I will have to rewatch it again. Thank you for pointing that out to me. It has been a very long time since I watched it and admittedly I should have rewatched it before leaving that comment. Thank you for correcting me without being a jerk about it like a lot of people do.
If palpatine told Vader It was his anger that caused padmes death, then why didn’t anakin just leave and try to let go of his anger? He should’ve figured like “oh shit the dark side of the force made me do this.” “What the fuck am I doing?”
In starwars 3 rots
They should have gone with this segment
Vader confronts sidious when arising from the medic table
Has that confrontation with sidious m
Force pushes him
And sidious force lightening being used on Vader as a reminder
Then finally giving in and serving the emperor
Now that’s 1000 times better than the
Cringy ‘noooooooo’