The irony of her dying because Annakin turned sith is huge. He only turned to the darkside because of a vision he had of her dying and he was looking for a means to save her. But she never would of died if he didn't turn sith in the first place. Seems like the original vision he had was poison planted by Palpatine.
This Makes even more sense when you consider the possibility that anakin had vented to palpatine about visions of his mother. (not sure if canon) the result of shmi’s kidnapping was Anakins first turn to the dark side. This would definitely give palpatine the idea of causing him to dream a vision of losing padme
My thoughts on this: Padme had two incredibly powerful Force sensitive children inside her, so some of the Force flowed into her. I believe she gave her life force to keep Anakin alive, whether willing or not. Also, remember she says there was still good in Anakin (which she would know as she was connected to him through the Force), and she says this as she delivers Luke. Luke eventually realizes there was still good in Vader, as I believe Luke was imprinted with this at birth. Luke could feel or hear Padme saying this like an echo in the Force. Leia had only memories of her mother, who she never saw. I think Leia felt and was imprinted with the memories of Padme being sad over the fate of Anakin. I can see Palaptine using the Dark Side to connect and use her life force to keep Vader alive but also unintentionally bringing a piece of the Light Side (the love Padme felt for Anakin and her children) to life deep inside Vader.
The weird thing is.. Luke said he had "no memory of his mother". Leia remembers her being "sad" but that could have also been a reference to her "adoptive mother" who was unable to have children of her own, Bale Organa's wife. We know nothing of her... she could have died early in life maybe? Dying as two force sensitive children are being born.. they literally pull her life force out of her as they are coming out.. hence one of the reasons the Jedi don't like it when one of theirs impregnates a non-force sensitive person. It would have taken a pair of Jedi to literally hold her hand during the process and maintain that her spirit stay within herself instead of "going with the children.
A life devoted to peace and love, Padme had the determination and compassion to inspire those around her to do better. Being around her was a refreshing experience, and I sensed she had all the qualities we look for in a Jedi (if she had the inclination and the midi-count). Her last acts came from love, giving birth to twins and pleading for others to see the good in Anakin (such as it was). When she died we lost not only her, but also a bright star of hope in the Universe that took decades to rekindle.
I always saw Padme’s death as the will of either the Force, Palaptine, or even Vader (after he felt betrayed). The thing was Padme’s will to bring Luke and Leia into the world was just strong enough and only strong enough to keep her alive long enough to see them both born.
Vader would NEVER will her to die. It's the whole reason he turned to the dark side. Sidious killing her makes complete sense, by killing her he accomplished several goals. He is not called (in)sidious for nothing.
What's wrong with "she lost the will to live"? Couples have it happen when one dies, and the other ends up following. We even had Carrie Fisher's mother have the same happen after Carrie's death. Why are fans so pissy about the concept of being so heart broken that the body just doesn't feel like going on?
People have completely forgotten that heart break is a real thing and you can actually die from it. Padme was stricken with such intense heartbreak and sadness, it literally broke her heart.
Yes, and that probably didn't help, but I completely agree with the video here. I think it's definitely in the subtext that Palpatine somehow had something to do with Padme's death by manipulating the midichlorians. It's obviously not explicit, but it wasn't supposed to be, and it makes perfect sense within the context of the trilogy's themes and symbolism that this be the case.
I understand what you're saying but, Palpatine clearly had an involvement with Padme's death. He was powerful enough to drain her life force from her . Padme was expandable as far as Palpatine was concerned for the sake of saving Anakin's life.
I like to think that it was a bit of everything. Childbirth, weakness, depression, sadness and even Palpatine. I always found it a bit suspicious that he knew about the dreams and Anakin's obsession with saving her. Yes, it is true that Anakin told him many things, but it does not seem that here he told him anything. In fact, it is Palpatine who brings up the subject of Darth Plagueis at exactly the right time.
even if all those things besides palpatine contributed to her death, im sure palpatine would have found away to sap her life completely killing her anyway; if possible it just helps him and his plans
Why not killing her in any moment before childbirth then? Anakin was already in the suit the moment Padme dies. He at least was in the medical room already. Wave1s idea falls apart right from the start. They should have just went with Padme dying in childbirth in its classic sense by bleeding out and no such issues would exist.
The "canon" explanation brings up two questions. 1, If Palpatine drained Padme's life force as she was giving birth to Luke and Leia, wouldn't Palpatine have felt the twins through the force? 2, If Palpatine drained Padme's life force through the force, wouldn't both Obi Wan and Yoda, who were present when the twins were born, have felt that through the force?
You have as this video has forgotten one more problem, and it is this according to cannon force healing is a lightside ability. What this means is Palpatine despite his power could not wield this power even if he new of it. So the explanation makes no sense unless Palpatine used an unknown, unnamed dark side ability.
@@trevorb555 aye that would be more poetic - Anakin's own fear of Padme's death actually caused him to kill her himself - too ironic, but seems like something the Force would cause him to do
This is why we need a real What If Star Wars series. Imagine stories being told by The Father, stories like if Padme never died, if qui-gon ginn never died, what if darth Maul never lost his legs, what if Grievous was force sensitive, what if Anakin killed Obi-Wan, what if Plagueis killed palpatine, what if Yoda gave in to his dark side. We can even have the dark side Son being the main Antagonist or even have Abeloth as the ultimate villain...so many possibilities 🤔
@@markeithwhitaker409 have the father be walking between the world between worlds showing us all of this. I would honestly really love a series like that.
I remember there was a media or an explanation by someone that stated that in the audio, the moment Padmes Heart stops beating, vader breather for the first time. Palpatine drained her life so he could live and thats why he says "in your anger you killed her
Well I think that that was self explanatory of what happened in the movie .. he choked her and then gave birth .. and idk about u but giving birth is not an easy task and that drains u out .. she was madly in love with Anakin and him doing that to her really took a toll with her physically and emotionally.. his blind anger is what lead him into choking her .. and when she saw that it was Obi wan by her side and not Anakin well .. she couldn’t bare the thought of raising the kids all by herself and just died because she was full of heart breaks
I think Palpatine told Vader he killed her to maximize his anguish and pain, thus increasing his power in the dark side. Evident with Palpatine's gleeful smile while Vader is angrily crushing everything around him with the force.
I always thought the choking got her killed and she only survived as long as she did was because story plot had to get Luke and Leia out before she died. I think Anakin’s visions was more of a warning that his path he chosen got Padme killed. His anger has always been there long before Attack of the clones. He almost killed a fellow Padawan in a rage.
I think she suffered trauma, and literally soooo many things can wrong with childbirth. Padme would have just watched the Empire rise, and massacre on a mass scale, including children she had probably met at least once, and all at the hands of the person she trusted most. Then she gave birth to TWINS, not just a single baby so even more risky.
Force choke + childbirth = a bad combination. I don't see why it ever needed to be more complicated than that. This is definitely one of those times where Star Wars is overdoing things.
It is just a garbage retcon by disney whom have showed time and time again they can’t write good stories to save their lives, this to me was a intricate moment of ROTS that wasn’t broke and needed to be fixed. The same way that Vader and Obi Wan fighting post ROTS and pre ANH is another thing forcefully inserted to do more damage to SW Lore f*** disney!!’
@@corpsedesecrator2612 definitely a retcon job to make those hacked, cut and pasted sequels more relevant. seriously though ... i've seen the man Jason Vorhees be more delicate with his victims than disney was with that trilogy. and now they want to retcon old star wars to make their slop job tie into what came before it.
Umm. I don't really see it. She fell off that one vehicle and even if she landed in soft snow, the distance would had crippled her. So she has a very resilient body. So I doubt a force choke unless it did some real damage would had been enough to make childbirth fatal for her. For goodness, plenty of women enjoy being choked in bed even while being pregnant and it doesn't do anything to them or the child. It is more probable Palpatine was using the force to leech her life force to heal himself from his prior fights with Yoda and Mace Windu and that is what killed her. Emperor/Darth Vitiate was able to syphon an entire planet and it is said Sidious learned the secrets of all of the Sith Lords before him. This would include Vitiate and syphoning energy from a young woman would be nothing to someone who could syphon an entire planet, although I don't known if Palpatine can do that. But again syphoning a single woman would still be child's play.
What a cringe explanation oh and Force Choke and S&M choke are not the same thing lol there is no safe word if someone has an intention to kill you with a Force Choke 🤣 . Also Palpatine “healing from leeching off” her is absurd too and both Yoda and Palpatine didn’t sustain severe injuries during their engagement just physically worn out and how come feeding off her life energy doesn’t heal the Dark Side Degradation from Force Lightning deflected back at him from Mace Windu’s Vaapad didn’t heal his scars and if Palpatine had this ability why not use it to drain on someone in a close vicinity like Mas Amedda whom though loyal was a expendable pawn to him through and through or his Grand Inquisitors whom are loyal enough to him to let him Force Drain them either which way there is no reason to give Disney any credibility or creativity this hurts the Lore more than anything and further validates that feculent sequel failogy. If you want to believe absurdities whatever is your head canon the fact is this is a pathetic uninspiring and lazy retcon for disney to validate their garbage story, George Lucas would not have made this the explanation.
Yeah its lazy and uninspiring the only reason they made this BS explanation is cause the hack jj anus bought Palpatine back in ros one of the worst movies of all time cause he didn’t know what he was doing since tfa when making this abysmal trilogy cause its easy with that narrative to just say “oh cause Palpatine was doing it all this time bruh didn’t you know?” it also takes from the Theme of Anakin’s bad decision making choices leading him to lose the ones he loves which is exactly what George Lucas was going for when writing ROTS it is a strong theme that is logical with a cohesive narrative but Disney once again contradicts that creativity with their abysmal storytelling once more and failing to understand Lucas’s vision and what Star Wars is for the bloody thousandth time!!!
This has been pretty much my headcanon for years. I agree - Padme was incredibly strong-willed. However devastated she was by Anakin's betrayal and Fall, I sincerely doubt she would have simply given up. Not when she had just given birth to her children. It makes far, far more sense to me that Palpatine, who at this time was likely at the height of his powers, essentially ripped her life-force from her to feed to Vader to keep him alive through the surgeries and getting him into the suit. In fact, viewed in this light, it is a statement of just how strong Padme was in that she held onto life long enough to give birth to the twins before her life force was completely drained from her. What's more, Palpatine would have had multiple reasons for doing this. Yes, his primary motive was to keep Vader alive, but there was far more to it than that. Padme was, as you said, a formidable opponent in the political arena, and she had shown herself throughout the Prequel era to be more than able to mess with his plans. If one posits that Palpatine intended the events of TPM to jumpstart his path to power and turning the Republic into an Empire, he was not all that successful thanks to Padme's actions. Yes, he gained the Chancellorship, but really not much more - because Padme returned to Naboo, united her people and the Gungans, retaking the planet and ousting Nute Gunray. In this, Padme thwarted Palpatine's designs, and it took him another decade to get the war he needed. And there are other examples where Padme messes things up for Palpatine. And also, in ROTS, we see Padme standing up to Palpatine, opposing his continuing to hold onto the Emergency Powers (not to mention the deleted plotline that had her helping to found the Rebellion). Palpatine was FINALLY getting his empire - he did NOT need someone like Padme around making things difficult for him. Not to mention, if she stayed in the picture, Vader's first allegiance would always be to her and Palpatine was not about to share Vader's loyalties with anyone anymore. So, yeah, Palpatine had multiple reasons to get rid of Padme at this point, and he seized the chance to do so.
Anakin's story is a about a man who entirely went nuts because of nightmares that resulted in a lack of sleep. In episode two he already had a simalar nervous breakdown and the case was also a lack of sleep because of nightmares that haunted him.
This is a way better explanation for Padme's death than what many speculated. I actually theorized this when this phenomenon happened. The droids had no explanation for why she was dying. The force ability to heal others comes with the cost of the life force of either the user or someone else. Thank you for this video.
The Jedi can force heal BUT NOT at the risk of another person losing their life to do it! The Jedi do everything in their power to preserve, protect etc life!
In response to all the people saying “wouldn’t palpatine have felt the twins?” Etc etc….here’s a possibility. Anakins birth was seemingly a direct retaliation of midichlorians against darth plagueis for his attempts to subjugate them and create life and live eternally himself. They directly lashed out against him by creating anakin. Wouldn’t it make sense that since palpatine was plagueis’ apprentice, and carried on with some of his work in hunting for eternal life that they could also have continued the retaliation by masking like and Leia from sidious? They could’ve been playing the long game with the Vader/Luke/sidious rotj arc to return balance to the force.
That's entirely possible, but it's also perfectly legitimate to simply say he didn't know. While I love speculation and theorizing as much as anyone here, there's should still be room for mystery. Not everything needs a meticulous explaination. "Because that's just the way it is" is a perfectly legitimate answer, especially when "the way it is" in this context wouldn't contradict already established lore.
Its soo sad! as I got older and rewatched ROTS and I realized palpatine killed padme all along. He had the power to save people from dyin; he kept saying it. during the vader suit scene You can hear Anakin say "Padme help me" right before his heart stops and dies only for padme to die instead and save anakin from death. This blew my mind years later after realizing!
Yeah when palpatine said to Vader “you killed her in your anger” he was lying & gaslighting Vader into thinking he killed her wheras it was palpatine all along making sure he lived
As sadder, and probably better written, as this may have been, its a theory that George Lucas himself debunked. The whole "save people from dying" turned out to be more of a lie in the end, which makes sense given how deceptive Palpatine was time and time again. Besides, if Anakin was saved like that, he would've been revived to the point where he wouldn't need that suit to make him a walking ventilator.
I should also add, I rewatched the scene where he becomes Vader, and he didn't say "Padme help me", as that was just a guess based on a silent moving mouth. The only reason Padme died when Vader rose was to symbolically visualize how liberty died as the empire rose, since you have a senator who helped bring about Liberty that just died, just as Vader, who would eventually spread the empire's evil across the galaxy, being born.
Unlikely, but it is possible to die from a broken heart. Although what you said is more likely given the fact that Palps put his hand over Vader's head presumably force healing him. When Padme said, "There's still good in him," she still remained optimistic despite seeing Anakin turned and being her being force choked.
Rex Lee dying from a broken heart is highly likely. How many times do you hear about a couple has been married for fifty or sixty years and one dies and the other one will literally die within hours sometimes for no medical reason other than they gave up the desire to live. So in the Starwars Universe it would be very possible considering how attached those two words to each other. It actually makes more sense than what's presented in the video because Force healing is not an ability that Palpatine could use
@@Wyomingchief My grandparents are a example it is true. Tbh these people don't think out their writing that's the thing they just write their personal takes.
While it is possible to die from a broken heart, if that was the reason for her death the medical droids wouldn't be so confused. The confusion of the medical droids has always been the biggest plothole with her death
@@kangtheconqueror8359 Yea that's the fan theory. I am saying it's a plot hole for the "broken heart syndrome" people. I think it was Palpatine doing it too.
I agree. That's why the necklace Anakin gave Padme was shown In the casket. I think Sidious used the necklace as the tool to drain Padmes life and transfer it to Anakin. I have noticed in SW the 1st meaning of something isn't always the real meaning..
Exactly. Far be it from me to claim that the prequels don't have any flaws, but their critics use those handful of obvious flaws to completely dismiss the fact that they are riddled with thematic and symbolic subtext.
I'm all about subtext and symbolism, but you are reaching. This is coming from someone who would prefer the "life drain" over the "broken heart" but I know its just a theory.
Or why didn't he just kill Obi and Yoda and anyone else with that power? Not buying. Someone else mentioned that Padme gave her life force to save Vader which would make more sense.
Good question.Even moren why did the children not die to cause if he toke her lif force should the life force of the children not have been drained to??
@@aapzot That's like saying if you gas the house to kill somebody shouldn't the people who live there but aren't inside also die The children where not Padme and while they were connected, there was no funnel to drain their life force. Needless to say Padmes lifeforce sufficed and there was no need to even consider that she might be pregnant by Palpatine.
@@alexanderelderhorst2107 I follow what you say but it could have been possible that because he did not know she was pregnant and he drain her life force and he used the max force he could unknowing havekilled the children.just saying
A simple question. How come 2 of the greatest force wielders of the galaxy(Yoda and Obi wan) who were present at the scene not sense something like this. Palps had to be using huge amounts of force energy, heck padme would be enjoying some kind of force signature as her life was being drained. Were the Jedi really going to be this damn stupid, because at this point their hubris is completely gone with Yoda himself recognising the hubris during his duel with palpatine. How could they not have sensed something like this happening when the force energy was literally being transferred halfway across the galaxy?
You mean the same guys who were completely blinded to Palpatines machinations up to that point? Not everything needs an explicit answer, and we don't need the answer to every lingering question or hypothetical in order to reasonably infer that this is nevertheless exactly what happened.
It's because it's pure SPECULATION. People have been trying for over a decade to find a hidden non-existent explanation about something that IS EXPLAINED IN THE MOVIE.
and this is why i think it was just about a force connection she had with vader. She unintentionally died because Anakin was so connected to her in the force. it's like she died instead of him but not due to any life drain crap. palps had nothing to do with it. and Obi and Yoda would have most definitely felt something otherwise.
Remember Yoda once said the Dark Side was hard to see. So maybe that's why they didn't see her life-force being taken from her. And Palpatine didn't know about Luke and Leia.
Seems legit. I always thought that when anakin choked her, it ended up delaying oxygen flow to her brain, and her body just focused on saving the babies.
I can't buy the argument. The lesser flaw is Palpatine's knowledge of the twins' existence. Unless he kept it quiet in order to use it later, that is. The most obvious issue though is how would Obi Wan and Yoda have missed that? C'mon man!
It seems odd that Yoda wouldn't be able to feel that through the force. I mean Obi Wan wasn't particularly talented in using the force, but Yoda certainly was.
@@evos469 I thought the idea behind that was that the Jedi temple was built on an ancient Sith temple and that may have contributed to them not sensing him. Plus that was a skill he learned under Darth Plagueis as part of his training.
Yes! This was what I wholeheartedly believed and it is true. I’m so happy. I love Padmé’s character so much. She deserves better than being thrown into the background of, “oh she just died because she was heartbroken and gave up”. She’s not the kind of person that would have done that. Despite it being incredibly difficult to move on from being betrayed so greatly. She still would have found a way. She would have lived for her children. And she probably would have held onto the hope that Anakin wasn’t entirely lost. Just as her dying words were. But Palpatine is incredibly methodical and knew would have been a great threat to him if she wasn’t killed. So what better way to make Vader completely consumed by the Dark Side then to say he killed his wife. The one person he was so desperate to save. And I love that this is reflected in Ben in the sequels. The only way to heal another or to save them is to give them your own life force. It’s an act of selflessness to sacrifice your own life to save others.
Actually, its not true. Hate to be that guy, but George Lucas himself debunked this theory, which everyone knows its a theory, unless they really hate George's storytelling, but considering they may also very well be the same people who HATED the sequel trilogy, idk how much we should trust them. I agree that Palpatine killing Padme would've been a better, deeper twist (maybe), but if Vader was revived like that, he wouldn't have needed the suit which made him a ventilator on legs, given what we know about Darth Plaguies from an old story. Also, I'm not sure which Ben we're talking about here, but both Ben Kenobi and Ben Solo didn't give their lives in their sacrifices in the way you're saying Padme gave here's indirectly for Anakin.
But hey, your right about the stuff about what consumed vader in the dark side. Palpatine preyed on Anakin by saying his wife died to make him full of hate, and that's how he made vader his lap dog. Episode 3 made sure to hammer in how Anakin ultimately caused the one thing he spent most of the movie fighting to stop: padme's death. His literal nightmare came true, and it caused the death of liberty and the rise of tyranny at the same time, visually represented by the back-to-back scenes of Padme's death and Vader's birth. Also on a side note, in the Legends timeline, there's a story where vader hallucinates Padme thanks to a traitorous son of an imperial officer (Tarkin of all people) and his wife, and it ends with Vader killing them, and Sidious reflects how Tarkin would now be full of hate and a better officer thanks to the hate he now has over his son's death...sound familiar?
Imagine if Vader came to padmè’s funeral and just said “I’m not fighting, I’m here for peace” and when the funeral was over he just got on his ship and kept to his promise
This explanation makes sense because before they took Vader off of Mustafar, we see Palpatine put his hand out over Vader’s burnt body, as if giving him life of some sort. And the idea of draining Padme’s life force to sustain Vader seems like an ability that Palpatine would be able to possess.
Palpatine was just checking to see if Vader was a live or trying to calm him in some way. Obi Wan put his hand on Luke in the same way after Luke was knocked out by the Tusken Raider.
@@gransport4246 He wasn’t checking if Vader was still alive because when he arrived to where Vader was defeated, he was still moving and the turned on his back to look up at the sky, hence Palpatine saying “He’s still alive” and tell the clones to get a medical capsule. While it’s true that he could be calming Vader down but I don’t think that’s the case. Palpatine needed Padme gone in order for him to have complete control over Vader and draining her life force to keep Vader alive makes the most amount of logical sense
Where was this explanation found? If it was a common misconception, why wasn’t this particular explanation more obvious in the film? If this is true this is far more tragic than dying of a broken heart, but I feel like that would have been evident that he was draining her life force from across the galaxy in order to save Vader. Although a pretty dope scenario, it just sounds like a stretch to me. No offense.
It also doesn't make sense. He discarded Dooku and Maul as if they were nothing. He obviously sees people as things to be used. Why Save vader? Wouldn't him dying be proof he is unfit to be Sidious' apprentice?
its a cool story, but none of this is expressed in the film. It wouldve been cool tho if it were. im sick of them sticking Palpatine everywhere like its getting taacky at this point .
Unless I'm missing something, everything I've seen about the power to syphon life force into another requires close proximity of all parts, the victim, the conduit (one conducting the force life exchange) and the receiver. In that case, Padme, Anikin, and Palatine would all have to be at the very least on the same planet which is not the case. Because of this, I do not buy that is cause of death.
Not sure if the Padmey-Anakin premise here is valid (canonical) or conjecture, but it appears to be both: Lea gave hers to her son Kylo after he was momentarily distracted by her just as he was able to cut down Rey, and, ironically, Kylo gave that life to Rey who was killed in a duel with the emperor. Very Zen, this cycle of life and death!
I understand this explanation, but is it actually canonized? If so, what's the source in canon? It totally makes sense, but I've seen nothing to indicate that it's the actual reason. Broken Heart is the official reason until it's been further explained elsewhere. And while I understand "broken heart syndrome" it isn't something that typically happens at childbirth when a mother has two beautiful and healthy children to love. As it currently stands (broken heart), it's still a poor ending for Padme.
Padme also declares there is good in him (I know) and I think part of the good energy or good/light life force in Anakin kept him alive while Padme faded away. Otherwise after such severe injuries, Anakin really would have died. So yes, Padme’s light went to Anakin, kept him alive and remained buried deep inside Darth Vader.
I’ve heard this before and I believe it-when you look at the scene and the way that they filmed it-it makes complete sense. There’s a reason they show her death at the same time they show Anakin’s surgery-because the emperor is draining the living force from her.
Would Yoda and Kenobi not felt this strangeness in the Force? Would Palpatine not know about the birth? And the existence of twins? Too many holes here.
The force protected the twins even from obi wan and yoda from sensing them. They only assumed they'd be strong in the force because of anakin. And as for them not sensing palpatine the guy used sith alchemy he used it in the clone wars, rebels, and in rise of Skywalker so far
It seems reasonable, but Obi-wan was also in the room during the delivery. Why didn't he sense it? Such a strong use of the force would have been sensed by him. Moreso, there were times Ahsoka, being a padme, sensed weird uses of the force in the clone war animated series not to mention a Jedi master like Kenobi.
Excellent explanation! It makes sense. When Palpatine told Vader about Padme's death, he laughed watching his apprentice suffering. He was enjoying the moment, because he knew she was dead.
he enjoyed seeing his manipulations come to fruition completely. He destroyed the Jedi by turning their "chosen one" against them, ensured that his new apprentice would never overcome him in power(all sidious would need to do was force lightning his suit really hard to kill him essentially), and killed one of his biggest political rivalries in Padme.
I have to disagree with this only due to the fact that if Palpatine was draining her Obi-Wan and Yoda would've been able to sense it. Yes I know he was very powerful and may not have been able to be stopped...but there's no way he would've been able to hide it since he had been exposed as Darth Sideous
I would have to disagree, in an aspect as they never sense when Dooku or Palps is gonna use lightening, they never sense when Anakin is gonna force push or choke. You can't sense for powers, but rather an individual through the force. But you can tell when something is gonna occur only cause most force abilities require a physical action prior to perform. So if Palpatine is out of said room, Yoda and Obi wan may sense Vader and Palps. But not the use of the force aka force drain or any other technique used. Also before people say anything on vaders pushing of debris, in the older movies. He still points his lightsaber in the direction of ever slightly during to show that he is directing the debris.
@@maelofohio6682 you know when Dooku or palps is going to use force lighting. that's how Mace blocked it without ever being tagged, as well as Yoda from Dooku. palpatine was able to use the darkside to cloud their foresight, but that was all he was able to do, and they even noticed that, just couldn't figure out it's source because of other machinations and artifacts Palps had all over the senate area and in his own office hidden. draining someone's life essence from across the literal galaxy would DEFINITELY be noticed by Obi-wan and Yoda. I would posit that if they want to go with some more 'solid' reason rather then she just died from more or less a broken heart, then you could use the link between Anakin and Padme being strongest as it ever was while she was pregnant/giving birth and she literally not only went through the pain of childbirth, but also the pain anakin was going through during his surgeries and getting put into his suit. and the combination of all that pain and suffering overwhelmed her and she couldn't handle it and simply lost the will to continue. not to mention, it was made pretty clear that Padme was never going to raise her kids. they had discussed that before she even gave birth that they would be taken and hidden away for fear of palpatine coming after them. so she didn't ahve her 'kids' to live for. Anakin was suffering and basically dying as far as she knew, and as such...she gave up the ghost.
That's basically what I always thought... Palpatine was the cause of his dreams through the Force as a means of manipulation, to play on his fears and drive him towards the Dark Side. He'd probably been behind the dreams of his mother Shmi being captured by the Sandpeople and used that to drive him toward the Dark Side, as Yoda warned him about attachments and fear of losing people. I figured through the Force Palpatine even managed to guide the Sandpeople to Shmi to capture her. It makes sense he would drain Padme's life force to save Vader, and in the process claim through a distortion of the truth that Vader had killed her, even planting the fact that he had in fact taken on her life force willingly to save himself when he was dying, thanks to Palpatine providing the conduit by stealing her life force and transferring it to Anakin/Vader when he was weakest, without him really realizing til later where the source of life energy came from. Padme would NOT have 'died of a broken heart" or some such rubbish-- a mother's love for her children and need to protect them would have given her the strength of will to overcome her loss of Anakin to the Dark Side, except that Palpatine managed to suck her life force out of her to divert it to Vader while she was most vulnerable. The movie SHOULD have done better at explaining this. BUT like a lot of things in the prequels, they spent too much time on setup and diversionary stuff rather than really developing the characters and getting everything setup for the finale, where everything was basically "in place" for the years between Anakin turning to the Dark Side and Luke and Leia's birth, to the point where the original Star Wars A New Hope started off. That's one of the main things I think that left people so disenchanted with the prequels. Personally I think the prequels are definitely the best looking and most technically brilliant of the Star Wars films, the penultimate of the visuals and special effects. Too bad the writing and storytelling was so "all over the map." I think they bit off more than they could chew-- they should have just started later in Anakin's life, rather than in childhood, and kept a tighter focus on him. Of course it's a hard balance to strike. The entire premise of the prequels was going to cause a lot of divergence of opinion and a lot of unhappy people anyway-- we know that they started at point "A" (where Anakin comes into contact with the Jedi order) and ended up at point "M" (the beginning of "A New Hope"), AND we know that there were various points like C, D, E, F, and G along the way that happened to the other characters, like Obi-Wan and Yoda, and various events like B, G, H, and I, that occurred along the way (the decline and fall of the Old Republic, the rise of the Empire, destruction of the Jedi Order, Anakin becoming Vader and destroying the Jedi, etc). SO we KNOW starting out that we're gonna start at "A" and end up at "M" and that these other things have to happen in there SOMEWHERE, that we learned from the previous movies... BUT like a long road trip, there are MULTIPLE WAYS to get there. I drive from Houston to Indiana to see in the inlaws twice a year-- there's myriad different ways to go, different freeways, different cities, different states. Some are out of the way a bit but faster, some are more direct but slower, some go to different places we like to visit from time to time and aren't too far out of the way. In the same manner, the prequels have a definite start and ending point (more flexibility on the start point actually, but the ending point always had to have all the characters in place where they would end up in "A New Hope". WHATEVER path they chose out of the possibilities, SOME people WOULD have been upset, because people naturally take what they know and made up their own stories of how this or that happened... so the prequels BY THEIR NATURE were going to be controversial and leave some people disappointed when it didn't happen the way they IMAGINED that it did before they came out. The sequels on the other hand were just a complete betrayal of everything that had come before-- they'd have been better had they struck off in a new direction with new characters and not referenced the original movies or prequels hardly at all... other than the fact they were in the same universe 20 years in the future... the complete mishandling and sh!tting on everything that came before and all the original characters was just a travesty and unforgivable. Later! OL J R :)
I actually believed she died by giving birth to Luke and Leia cause she conceived twins who are two strong force sensitves with the chosen ones power in the force and that was the one that killed her
The older I get and the more people I've known who 'lose the will to live' or 'die of a broken heart' grows, the more plausible Padme dying from that becomes.
I’ve always believed that Palpatine was the reason for Padme’s death. There’s a reason that he smiled when he lied to Vader, When Vader asked if Padme was okay. Palpatine definitely killed Padme.
Before even watching the video my headcanon has always been that Palpatine drained her life and used it to keep Anakin alive. I don't remember who but someone once mentioned the possibility in a video and said thats why Lea died right before Hans ghost came to speak to Ben Solo. Lea drained her own life to bring Han back long enough to reach Ben. Edit: I'm an idiot I think I got this headcanon from you.
Palpatine drained Padme’s life force to keep Anakin alive? From the moon Luke and Leia were delivered on? Palpatine is given too much credit in this explanation.
you forgot in the 3rd movie Leia talks to Luke about her mother and her memories of her. so did she really die or was it a fake taking her place so Padme could hide with her daughter on Aldaraan? how could Leia have memories of being with her mother as a toddler when she dies at the birth? it's not possible.
As much I LOVE this explanation, I wanted to comment that "broken heart syndrome" is an actual medical condition called "Takotsubo Cardiomyopathy", which can be triggered by extreme stressful emotional situations and result in cardiac arrest. Anakin and Padmè's argument on Mustafar, as well as all that had happened in the previous weeks leading up to Irder 66, and culminating in Anakin force choking Padmé while pregnant, is more than enough reason to trigger an event like that. This explains why the Medical Droids and the rest of the characters (as well as the audience), willingly believed it to be so. It has nothing to do with "strength of character", age, or physical health. The way GL wrote it, was to fuel the irony of Anakin causing Padmè's death, while trying to save her.
Well this is good to hear sorta. My initial impression when watching the movie was she died of sadness and it infurated me to no end. It felt so out of character for her and I wondered what was going to happen to the scene regarding Leia talking about her mother in the original three. Was one of my favorite old scenes no longer cannon? Padme was such a strong character and it still sucks she was fridged in the end but finding out it was due to the Palpatine makes it sting a little less.
Its even more then that, she had 2 force sensitive Children in her. She felt trough the force the good in Anakin inprinting that on Luke, her own feeling were inprinted on Leia. Thats how Leia remembered her.
I remembered them saying in the movie she seems to have lost the will to live. I could never understand that quote and I just didn't get it. Fast forward many years and my wife's friend, her father passed away, and his wife, who had been with him pretty much her whole life, had three children together, she lost the will to live. She was healthy but heart broken and she simple stopped caring for anything and a couple weeks later she passed away. It was an eye opening thing.
I figured Palpatine implanted the visions of her death into his dreams so he would turn to the darkside to save her, and then when he choked her in that scene the stress from that event is what caused things to go wrong in childbirth, making it so she never would have died had he not tried to save her in the first place.
Thank you! I have been screaming about this very thing for years, there's no way Padme would have died in childbirth of a broken heart when she just gave birth to twins. She was a strong woman with plenty of reason to live.
Can you really call it a "misunderstanding" when you have to dive deep into the lore to come up with an excuse and the movie (the main and vaunted Stand-Alone cannon) does absolutely nothing to justify this explanation? I don't think so. I just think George F'd up and now we're making excuses.
I don’t like this explanation. Does this mean that Palpatine can drain anyone’s life force from wherever he is in the galaxy? Why wouldn’t he use this ability to kill Obi Wan or Windu from the other side of the galaxy? Or anyone else he wanted dead?
Well that makes a lot of sense. This is my opinion because the way Padme died seems to suggest that she never moved on into the afterlife, if there is one in the Star Wars Universe. Because the way Padme died, it seems like her spirit lived on around her son, Luke and she likely influenced him, which could explain why Luke thought highly of his father and make it common goal to redeem Darth Vader.
Maybe I'm looking too much into it But if this is the case, would part of padme still be within Vader? And seeing Luke triggered that in a way as help to show that the good was still a part of him?
Glad to hear this confirmed from someone else. Not only does it make for a better story than ... "uh she died because she was sad" or because Vader accidentally force choked her too long. Rather the transferring of life essences, plays into the Sith 's / Palpatines overall attempt to manipulate life force. The great irony and tragedy that Vader was lured in the dark side with the promise that he would be granted the power to save Padme, only to be the cause of her death. And then Palpatine lying to him saying that was his own fault fault is just poetic gravy. I re-watched it last night the whole movie just seems to fast forward through major plot points , but I think they went out of their way to give that droid the line ...."Shes perfectly healthy, but were losing her" Star Wars is the GOAT for having the best story told in the worst possible way
I always thought that aniken rly was the one who killed her when he force choked her he did something which injured her which is why the emperor actually says “in your rage you killed her”.
Wow... This is extremely dark and so ironic... I think it fits the narrative pretty well. Thank you for bringing this to our attention and I'm surprised to have not heard about it sooner.
The Jedi in general had long lost the ability to use Force healing with only a few Jedi retaining the ability to use it and all those were in the Temples Halls of Healing and would have been murdered by Vader and the clones during Order 66.
But... did she really die, or was it all a plot to keep her safe from her now insane husband? Did Senator Organa smuggle her to his homeworld and then get Leia to her there? Is the beautiful, sad mother Leia remembered actually Padme?
if I remember correctly is Palpatine use Anakin and Padme connection to give her life force to Anakin also I blame Obi-Wan for Padme death if he never told her he fell to the dark side she would never went to the planet but there is one Theory I'm still trying to figure out did Palpatine give Anakin those bad dreams
No. Palpatine did not give Anakin those dreams. Luke had visions of Han and Leia in trouble in the cloud city of Bespin. Fear is what drove those visions. Same with Anakin. Both Anakin and Luke lost a parental type figure...Shmi with Ani and Obi-Wan with Luke. We know that Anakin's love for Padme was intense so it makes sense that his fears of losing her, after he already lost his mother, would be just as intense and what really drove those dreams.
As Dexter Jettster once said in regards to the analysis ability of droids, “I should think that you Jedi would have more respect for the difference between knowledge and… heh heh heh… wisdom.”
I love this so much more then a 'broken heart.' This woman was an absolute badass and I truly believe if she had lived she would have been one of the founding members of the rebellion against the Empire.
As someone said in the comments, it's Anakin's vision of the future of Padame dying that caused him to become a Sith, and in turn it is because he became a Sith that Padame died. In timetravel, this is called a casual loop. A causal loop is a paradox of time travel that occurs when a future event (Anakin's visions) is the cause of a past event, which in turn is the cause of the future event. Both events then exist in spacetime, but their origin cannot be determined. A causal loop may involve an event, a person or object, or information
The Stupendous Wave: "It was Palaptine, and his dark side ability of using Padme's life force to keep Vader alive that killed her, and not simply a broken heart." Me: "I know. Somehow... I've always known."
I never understood how people thought Padme died of a broken heart in the first place. Vader is born at the very same time Padme dies. Palpatine learned how to keep people from dying - he wouldn't have killed Plagueis before learning this. He drained her life force and gave it to Vader. I have been saying that since the film came out... seemed pretty obvious.
I wouldn't call it "obvious," but the story clearly does communicate this on multiple levels. People don't get it because it isn't explicit, and people aren't taught media literacy and how to read the subtext of a story.
I think in the Episode 9 novelization it is stated that Palpatine hadn't learned this from Plagueis when he killed him. That's why he had to rely on cloning technology for staying alive after the events on the Second Death Star.
Bullshit, this is just your headcannon for trying to excuse a dumb part of the franchise. In reality, she really did just lose the will to live.......which is dumb, but hey, it’s just a movie.
You really shouldn’t call dying of a broken heart dumb as it happens to many people in fact dying of a broken heart is a medical condition and a very serious one at that.
So big papa Palpatine can remotely drain life force from one person a great distance away and feed it into someone else remotely? I always thought that the broken heart line was crappy but I honestly think this explanation is even lazier. Maybe if it had been previously hinted at he had this incredible power I wouldn't hate it as much but as it sits it just makes it worse imo.
We shouldn't have to buy additional books/comics to get the full story. If people don't get what your intention is because you don't tell them the fault is with you
@@nicksnovelreviews8733 I have pretty much all the EU books from ANH sll the way to the end of Yuuzhan Vong War. My point is they are additional stories, not telling you things about the movies that the movies don't
I remember this point being raised more than 18 months ago on other YT channels. Palpatine sought to kill Padme from the onset.. it was never a question of if but when. Once he discovered that Anakin and Padme had a relationship, then married and then were having children, he knew that one way or another, she would die. If not by his hand, then by Vader's. The other forums drew attention to the moment after Luke and Leia were born, where Padme surrenders to death telling Obiwan that she still believed that Anakin had good in him.. Then at the moment she dies, Vader takes a breath. There was even speculation that Padme sensed this for a brief moment. Palpatine miscalculated as he wasn't aware that Luke and Leia were alive. He got his Vader, but he did not know about Luke and Leia until much later.
From what I can tell, this is just a theory, one Lucas debunked, that people love just cuz it fixes poor dialogue about Padme "being healthy but dying anyway". Irony is, the dialogue is still there, and that issue isn't fixed, nevermind all the other evidence from both George's mouth and the rest of the series that debunks it.
I always thought it was Anakin(Vader) That killed Padme but the reality is that he did kill her not the way i imagined it so from a certain "Point of view" Anakin(Vader) did kill Padme
Remember in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace when newly minted Senator Palpatine aka Darth Sidious aka The Emperor said that he’d watch Anakin’s Jedi career with. great interest. He knew that he was powerful and used every Darkside trick in the book to manipulate Anakin to turn. That included his love for Padme. That’s why he helped kill Windu. It all came down to Padme who died because Palpatine drained her life force to keep Anakin alive after Mustafar so that he could fully become Darth Vader.
I beleive padme was an actual "ascended" or "earth Angel" in terms of an accomplished soul living as humans to guide humanity. Her homeworld is the same as palpatine and when Anakin as innocent as a child ask her if she was an Angel. She chuckled as to any kid inocence. She was proeficient in pretty much every field of work she went in and parted extensive maturity for her age.
I‘ll take dying of a broken heart explanation over Palpatine sapping her life. See absolutely no reason why two of the strongest Jedi couldn’t have sensed that, especially given they were in Padme‘s company.
You'll take an incredibly strong-willed person dying of sadness on her two children over the culmination of the Rule of Two utilizing an advanced force ability under the noses of a few Jddi after he successfully concealed his true presence in the force from them from right under their noses for years?
@@Tyrosine0910 Absolutely. Every time we’ve seen force drain occur, even the time Sidious used it on Rey and Ben, he was in the company of the target. When it was first shown in canon on Mortis, the target was in the company of the user. So pretending that magically, Sidious could do it entire Star systems away defies the precedence and factors we were already shown. Even more, both times it was used it was very clearly observable and recognizable. So once again, I fail to see how Yoda would’ve failed to sense that technique being performed. Also comparing force cloak, a technique intended to obscure to an offensive force technique that we’ve ALWAYS been able to observe is iffy. So like I said, I’ll take the canon death with precedence to one with none.
@@lotusinn3 Maybe but that doesn't mean he couldn't do it, I mean Thrawn tested a jedi battle meditation on three separate battles in different star systems going on at the same time and it worked.
@@mavraszunwoody2527 Well when he does it, I’ll recant my statement. Until then, the one time we see Sidious do it, wasn’t anything that could compare to Padmés death. Anything is possible, but until it’s shown or said, it’s conjecture.
The problem here isn't what actually happened. The problem (as so many things are in the Prequels) is how it's represented and explained in the movie. There is no explanation other than the passing comment by the droid leaving the fans to draw their own conclusions. In any narrative, the story has to stand on its own. You cannot depend on someone tracking down another work (especially a different media like comics, books, games, etc) to find that one explanation that somehow justifies an event. In RotS, Padme dies without explanation, the end. This happens after they cut down her screen time to "I'm pregnant," "I'm crying," and "I'm dying" which was breathtakingly disappointing to everyone involved (my friends and I saw it in theaters, literally everyone walking out was talking about the duel on Mustafar and how they ruined Padme). Frankly, considering the retcons that Lucas has already done, I'm very disappointed that he hasn't called Natalie Portman and begged her to do a few scenes for a more complete cut.
Plagueis could "keep the ones he loved from dying". Palps told Anakin 'together, we can learn the secret' (which Palps did). Later, during childbirth, the med droids tell *us* Padme is healthy but still dying - and that is when *we* learn how he saved people from death: by transferring (stealing) life force (no pun intended). We see Anakin, Padme, Anakin, Padme; it was right in front of us.
Exactly, it's subtext being communicated visually. You don't need an explicit explanation within the story itself because not only would that dumb it down, but it would also kind of defeat the point.
If Vader was revived like DP, he wouldn't have needed that suit, which made him a walking ventilator. Plus, Palpatine NEVER taught Anakin that supposed secret, which came off more as a bold-faced lie in the end, which is not suprising considering how deceptive Sidious always was. Hell, in a Legends storyline, he was happy about how an Imperial officer would be full of hate after his son died at vader's hands, which is very reflective of what happened to Vader. May I also add this was an old storyline that hammered in on Vader's guilt about her death and what he became afterwards?
The only thing visually communicated was how Padme didn't want to live in a galaxy where she lost everything she ever wanted. Losing her husband was just scratching the surface, since Anakin's dark turn also led to the destruction of the liberty she fought for her whole life. Her dying along with Vader rising was symbolic of how liberty died and tyranny rose.
I also agree that the whole "she's healthy but she lost the will to live" was poorly written, and was one of the many kinks in the prequel trilogy that made the fandom not want George Lucas to make another movie again. I also agree that the life drain twist would've been a better death probably, especially with all the canon stuff now that shows that vader and sidious didn't have a rosy relationship, especially in regards to Padme. But George himself confirmed Palpatine didn't kill her, so let's respect that, for better or worse.
I always thought the idea of Padme dying of a broken heart was lame. Your theory makes more sense. I think Anakin"s vision of Padme's death was planted by Palpatine. Palpatine knew Anakin"s weakness and used it to his advantage.
i do think it's a reasonable explanation that he drained her to save him and fuel his pain and anger to strengthen his dark side connection, and honestly makes more sense given her character and all the facts. but the power the mind has over the body is also very strong, and saying that dying from a broken heart is "disrespect" or a "joke" or a "disservice" is in itself actually disrespect. as if feeling deeply is somehow shameful. this is toxic and a big problem in our society. for example, sometimes elderly couples will die within days or months because of the deep sadness or loneliness and that is nothing to be ashamed of. please get rid of the toxicity mixed in with your otherwise reasonable argument.
@[ ] i guess it is worth clarifying at least once. i was not calling him personally a toxic person. i said "this is toxic", referring to the idea that he is spreading. as i said in my original comment i actually agree that she probably would not have died for that alone given her character and all the facts, but calling it "disrespect" or a "joke" or a "disservice" is harmful language in this context that perpetuates toxic ideas for the reasons i touch on in the original comment. as if feeling deeply is somehow shameful. this is a toxic idea that is perpetuated by many, not just in this video. so maybe read my word a little more carefully before responding. i even specifically called his argument an otherwise reasonable one. it was just mixed in with a few toxic ideas.
@[ ] it doesn’t matter how young you are it is a medical condition of dying of a broken heart and even Kids have died of it, so Padme in this situation would of died of a broken heart as not only anakin is lost but everything she fought for in the senate would of been for nothing.
@@kingshadow8782 Ol Palpy McScrodie always wanted to bang the "life" outta Padme... He got the chance to do it by using the ancient forbidden force power of 'Sith Sodomization'.... Ripped Padme a new one and she bleed to death. Next Ol Scrottyface gathered what little force essence he could salvage from her gapping new orphace and used it sustain Vaders life until medical treatment on Coruscant... The rest is history baby... hahahaha
My take on this is not concrete, but I do not believe Padmé died of a broken heart. She’s far too strong of a character to do so. So that leaves two possibilities in my mind: 1. Anakin killed her with a force choke, or, 2. Sidious killed her in some way. Since the medical droids would have picked up any physical damage caused by the force choke, we can rule #1 out. This means the Sidious had something to do with it. I see a lot of people doubting Sidious’ power, which to be fair is not definitively stated, but this guy was able to deceive the likes of Yoda, Obi-wan, and Mace Windu, which means he’s no dark side slouch. I have no doubt in my mind that he also planted the dreams Anakin was having, which is why Yoda was having issues seeing the future when Anakin sought advice from him (Sidious was clouding the future to conceal his mechanisms from Yoda). Sidious also managed to get a whole army built right underneath the Jedi Order’s nose and use it to kill them with no issues whatsoever, while still keeping the republic completely at his fingertips. I don’t find it hard to imagine that someone this powerful could transfer life force across star systems or just outright kill a weakened individual in a state like Padmé was. I personally believed Sidious outright killed her, but the life force transfer also makes sense. Not to say that it’s impossible she died of a broke heart, but extremely unlikely. As others have stated, Padmé’s death also ignited the rage and suffering inside Vader, which made him an extremely effective weapon. I’ve also seen it pointed out on other threads that Padmé and Vader’s breathing is even somewhat in sync as Padmé dies and Vader rises, reinforcing the life force transfer theory. Either way, I think this was intentionally left vague by Lucas to generate this type of curiosity and debate, furthering the fascination with the storyline. Quick side note, Palpatine’s mistake of keeping Vader alive would ultimately be his undoing, as I’m sure many of you know, as he allowed the chosen one prophecy to fulfill, a prophecy that resulted in his death. Before he came back because, you know, plot armor.
I think padme really loves anakin so much she wouldn’t tell obi wan where he went, and why the hell anakin would force choke his own pregnant wife is beyond me
On the surface, Anakin thought she had betrayed him, bringing Obi Wan to Mustafar. But in the bigger picture, Anakin did not genuinely love her - he was intensely infatuated with her and used her as an escape or an excuse for his own shortcomings as a Jedi. He was more obsessed with his own feelings and inner struggle, than with her well-being. His desire to keep her alive was not for her benefit, but for his selfish feelings.
the only thing that has me doubt this is it was already discussed that he supposedly did out of instinct the same thing Darth Sion did in Kotor. a Dark Side force ability to deny death or something. i forget the name of the video though. though i think it may have been him accidentally doing it not sidious. through the use of said ability he mimicked from Darth Sion he could have in a heat of a moment siphoned off her life to instinctually live without knowing it. and it be her because she was the closest to him emotionally, spiritually and such if you get my drift. they were connected, they had children. so instinct grabs what is most recognizable to it.
The one thing I disagree with you on is that it was "the fans misinterpreting Padme's death". No it was Lucas's shoddy screenplay and script with no other explanation for her death other than what we saw on the screen and what the droid's said. For all intents and purposes if you just watch the film, thats how she died, she lost the will to live. As much as I love how expansive SW is, it seems like Star Wars and/or Lucas have this habit of making things or events or explanations grander in the books and comics than in the films. Because this could have been shown in the prequels, but it wasnt. I doubt this explanation wasnt even really thought up until after.
Anakin's only fear was her dying, and why he joined Palpatine to learn how to save her. Palpatine taught him the wrong way to force heal, and made Vader kill her while thinking he was saving her. Once he dons the mask, and asks about her, gets the bad news, he states "She couldn't have, I felt it!".. it's really sad, and evil, and above all beautiful screen play written by Lucas.. It's why we love SW, cause it's so beautiful it hurts
@@WideEyeNow "She couldn't have, I felt it" line can way too easily interpreted in a way that Vader/Anakin felt that Padme was not dead on Mustafar. Which is totally reasonable since after having little domestic violence Vader/Anakin has his totally occupied by duel and staying alive/burned-->we as viewer's only see Vader being awake at surgery table-->it is reasonable to assume that he was unconscious most of the between-->which explains why he did not feel Padme leaving the planet (since we as viewer's only know that sensing through force only works when plot demands it). If we wuold have gotten one scene of Sidious doing Sith things (or Yoda/Obi-wan wondering why force is fading from Padme or something) before surgery/birth then this life drain idea wuold have been properly foreshadowed to actually be possibility in everyone's mind. Now it just takes too many leaps of faith for your average viewer to get there. So yeah, really nice true reason. REALLY badly executed.
Yeah, that's how I saw it too. Strictly a production issue and timing issue. Wrapping up filming, screenplay and script was....not the best. Film the scene, someone else can fill the details later. Broken heart or it was actually Vader/Palpatine ....sure, whatever works now or later.
@@STUDI0TK why should we need an explicit scene where this is unambiguously stated? Not everything needs to be explicitly stated in the text. Subtext is a thing, and it makes every story more rich and nuanced. Besides, it being on the level of subtext was the entire point. It isn't supposed to be obvious. Far he it from me to claim that there aren't any issues with the Star Wars prequels, but their critics use the mere existence of flaws to dismiss the fact that there's actually a lot more going on with its characters, plot, symbolism and themes than a lot of people understand.
Where was it clearly stated that Plageuis siphoned life force from people in order to use force heal? And even the the very notion of Palpatine using force heal to save Padme feels like a clever manipulation from the Sith Lord, preying on Anakin's fears and insecurities
I'm not completely fluent with the expanded universe so please be polite when I ask this. Is using the force to drain someone's life essence something that Darth Nihilus did? And if so, is it safe to assume that this wisdom was passed on through the generations of Sith Lords? (I am presently under the impression that the apprentice learns everything the master knows.)
I wonder if Anakins barely audible "help me padme" just before he is fitted with vaders mask had anything to do with Palpatines ability to drain padmes life force?
The irony of her dying because Annakin turned sith is huge. He only turned to the darkside because of a vision he had of her dying and he was looking for a means to save her. But she never would of died if he didn't turn sith in the first place. Seems like the original vision he had was poison planted by Palpatine.
Of course it was; Palpatine knew about him and Padme and used the dark side to cause him doubt; then used that to turn him.
This Makes even more sense when you consider the possibility that anakin had vented to palpatine about visions of his mother. (not sure if canon) the result of shmi’s kidnapping was Anakins first turn to the dark side. This would definitely give palpatine the idea of causing him to dream a vision of losing padme
Palpatine is the devil
That’s what I think. I find it difficult to believe Palpatine could use such an ability on Padme (a non force user) from so far away.
@[ ] I thought that was Dooku who gave the tuskens the green light to kill shmi
My thoughts on this: Padme had two incredibly powerful Force sensitive children inside her, so some of the Force flowed into her. I believe she gave her life force to keep Anakin alive, whether willing or not. Also, remember she says there was still good in Anakin (which she would know as she was connected to him through the Force), and she says this as she delivers Luke. Luke eventually realizes there was still good in Vader, as I believe Luke was imprinted with this at birth. Luke could feel or hear Padme saying this like an echo in the Force. Leia had only memories of her mother, who she never saw. I think Leia felt and was imprinted with the memories of Padme being sad over the fate of Anakin. I can see Palaptine using the Dark Side to connect and use her life force to keep Vader alive but also unintentionally bringing a piece of the Light Side (the love Padme felt for Anakin and her children) to life deep inside Vader.
The weird thing is.. Luke said he had "no memory of his mother". Leia remembers her being "sad" but that could have also been a reference to her "adoptive mother" who was unable to have children of her own, Bale Organa's wife.
We know nothing of her... she could have died early in life maybe?
Dying as two force sensitive children are being born.. they literally pull her life force out of her as they are coming out.. hence one of the reasons the Jedi don't like it when one of theirs impregnates a non-force sensitive person.
It would have taken a pair of Jedi to literally hold her hand during the process and maintain that her spirit stay within herself instead of "going with the children.
good in Vader? man killed kids and millions of others. he deserved everything he got.😂😂
This is a totally Awesome scenario.. gave me chills reading it….!!
Sorry. This is a terrible explication
@@mwoodke Thanks for your very in depth response and thought provoking comment. Your insight is appreciated. 🙄🙄
A life devoted to peace and love, Padme had the determination and compassion to inspire those around her to do better. Being around her was a refreshing experience, and I sensed she had all the qualities we look for in a Jedi (if she had the inclination and the midi-count). Her last acts came from love, giving birth to twins and pleading for others to see the good in Anakin (such as it was). When she died we lost not only her, but also a bright star of hope in the Universe that took decades to rekindle.
Get this mutha fuckin sith force outta my mutha fuckin plane
It’s hard to relight that fire once it’s gone.
I always saw Padme’s death as the will of either the Force, Palaptine, or even Vader (after he felt betrayed). The thing was Padme’s will to bring Luke and Leia into the world was just strong enough and only strong enough to keep her alive long enough to see them both born.
I'm 90% sure it was Palpatine; if it wasn't directly him, he somehow found a way to influence it through the force and make it even worse.
Vader would NEVER will her to die. It's the whole reason he turned to the dark side. Sidious killing her makes complete sense, by killing her he accomplished several goals. He is not called (in)sidious for nothing.
What's wrong with "she lost the will to live"? Couples have it happen when one dies, and the other ends up following. We even had Carrie Fisher's mother have the same happen after Carrie's death. Why are fans so pissy about the concept of being so heart broken that the body just doesn't feel like going on?
Johny and June.
People hate when characters are affected by emotion or are actual decent human beings
Plus she did state and I quote "Ani you're breaking my heart" which seems like a pretty big sign of the theory of the broken heart
Because she just gave birth to twins. She had two enormous reasons to live right there. On top of believing there was still good in Anakin.
If losing the will to live is actually real, then there wouldn't be any suic- and Debbie Fisher died because of a stroke
People have completely forgotten that heart break is a real thing and you can actually die from it. Padme was stricken with such intense heartbreak and sadness, it literally broke her heart.
Yes, and that probably didn't help, but I completely agree with the video here. I think it's definitely in the subtext that Palpatine somehow had something to do with Padme's death by manipulating the midichlorians. It's obviously not explicit, but it wasn't supposed to be, and it makes perfect sense within the context of the trilogy's themes and symbolism that this be the case.
Exactly! Carrie Fisher's mother literally died the day after Carrie passed away. She couldn't handle losing her daughter and had a broken heart
@@gaxton4513 She died of a haemorrhagic stroke, though her extreme grief was considered as likely a contributing factor.
Yes,,,and if a youtuber tels a story...it dosnt mean its true or cannon...everyone can make up things
I understand what you're saying but, Palpatine clearly had an involvement with Padme's death. He was powerful enough to drain her life force from her . Padme was expandable as far as Palpatine was concerned for the sake of saving Anakin's life.
I like to think that it was a bit of everything. Childbirth, weakness, depression, sadness and even Palpatine. I always found it a bit suspicious that he knew about the dreams and Anakin's obsession with saving her. Yes, it is true that Anakin told him many things, but it does not seem that here he told him anything. In fact, it is Palpatine who brings up the subject of Darth Plagueis at exactly the right time.
even if all those things besides palpatine contributed to her death, im sure palpatine would have found away to sap her life completely killing her anyway; if possible
it just helps him and his plans
Why not killing her in any moment before childbirth then? Anakin was already in the suit the moment Padme dies. He at least was in the medical room already. Wave1s idea falls apart right from the start. They should have just went with Padme dying in childbirth in its classic sense by bleeding out and no such issues would exist.
@@buek14 She wasn’t quite to term at that point. He wanted the baby as leverage against Anakin, the same reason that the twins were hidden away.
The "canon" explanation brings up two questions. 1, If Palpatine drained Padme's life force as she was giving birth to Luke and Leia, wouldn't Palpatine have felt the twins through the force? 2, If Palpatine drained Padme's life force through the force, wouldn't both Obi Wan and Yoda, who were present when the twins were born, have felt that through the force?
1) yes, 2) maybe. But don’t expect Disney to really put much effort into what they come up with. The sequel trilogy is proof of this
aye, would've been more tragic, if when Anakin force choked her he actually wounded her in some way that actually physically killed her later on
@@therearenoshortcuts9868 this is what I’ve always thought happened
You have as this video has forgotten one more problem, and it is this according to cannon force healing is a lightside ability. What this means is Palpatine despite his power could not wield this power even if he new of it. So the explanation makes no sense unless Palpatine used an unknown, unnamed dark side ability.
@@trevorb555
aye that would be more poetic - Anakin's own fear of Padme's death actually caused him to kill her himself - too ironic, but seems like something the Force would cause him to do
This is why we need a real What If Star Wars series. Imagine stories being told by The Father, stories like if Padme never died, if qui-gon ginn never died, what if darth Maul never lost his legs, what if Grievous was force sensitive, what if Anakin killed Obi-Wan, what if Plagueis killed palpatine, what if Yoda gave in to his dark side. We can even have the dark side Son being the main Antagonist or even have Abeloth as the ultimate villain...so many possibilities 🤔
I would love that
Lucasfilm needs to get this done..
They can even make it animated like Marvel as a separate alternate universe like worlds between worlds
@@markeithwhitaker409 have the father be walking between the world between worlds showing us all of this. I would honestly really love a series like that.
Nah. It's a Marvel thing. I don't think it fits Star Wars
@@cookiemonster1787 you and me both friend
I remember there was a media or an explanation by someone that stated that in the audio, the moment Padmes Heart stops beating, vader breather for the first time. Palpatine drained her life so he could live and thats why he says "in your anger you killed her
Well I think that that was self explanatory of what happened in the movie .. he choked her and then gave birth .. and idk about u but giving birth is not an easy task and that drains u out .. she was madly in love with Anakin and him doing that to her really took a toll with her physically and emotionally.. his blind anger is what lead him into choking her .. and when she saw that it was Obi wan by her side and not Anakin well .. she couldn’t bare the thought of raising the kids all by herself and just died because she was full of heart breaks
I think Palpatine told Vader he killed her to maximize his anguish and pain, thus increasing his power in the dark side. Evident with Palpatine's gleeful smile while Vader is angrily crushing everything around him with the force.
I always thought the choking got her killed and she only survived as long as she did was because story plot had to get Luke and Leia out before she died.
I think Anakin’s visions was more of a warning that his path he chosen got Padme killed.
His anger has always been there long before Attack of the clones.
He almost killed a fellow Padawan in a rage.
I think she suffered trauma, and literally soooo many things can wrong with childbirth. Padme would have just watched the Empire rise, and massacre on a mass scale, including children she had probably met at least once, and all at the hands of the person she trusted most. Then she gave birth to TWINS, not just a single baby so even more risky.
That doesn’t fit as the droids said she was physically fine, but was dying anyway.
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Yeah it turns out Palpatine killed Padme.
Force choke + childbirth = a bad combination.
I don't see why it ever needed to be more complicated than that. This is definitely one of those times where Star Wars is overdoing things.
It is just a garbage retcon by disney whom have showed time and time again they can’t write good stories to save their lives, this to me was a intricate moment of ROTS that wasn’t broke and needed to be fixed. The same way that Vader and Obi Wan fighting post ROTS and pre ANH is another thing forcefully inserted to do more damage to SW Lore f*** disney!!’
@@corpsedesecrator2612 definitely a retcon job to make those hacked, cut and pasted sequels more relevant. seriously though ... i've seen the man Jason Vorhees be more delicate with his victims than disney was with that trilogy. and now they want to retcon old star wars to make their slop job tie into what came before it.
Umm. I don't really see it. She fell off that one vehicle and even if she landed in soft snow, the distance would had crippled her. So she has a very resilient body. So I doubt a force choke unless it did some real damage would had been enough to make childbirth fatal for her. For goodness, plenty of women enjoy being choked in bed even while being pregnant and it doesn't do anything to them or the child. It is more probable Palpatine was using the force to leech her life force to heal himself from his prior fights with Yoda and Mace Windu and that is what killed her.
Emperor/Darth Vitiate was able to syphon an entire planet and it is said Sidious learned the secrets of all of the Sith Lords before him. This would include Vitiate and syphoning energy from a young woman would be nothing to someone who could syphon an entire planet, although I don't known if Palpatine can do that. But again syphoning a single woman would still be child's play.
What a cringe explanation oh and Force Choke and S&M choke are not the same thing lol there is no safe word if someone has an intention to kill you with a Force Choke 🤣 . Also Palpatine “healing from leeching off” her is absurd too and both Yoda and Palpatine didn’t sustain severe injuries during their engagement just physically worn out and how come feeding off her life energy doesn’t heal the Dark Side Degradation from Force Lightning deflected back at him from Mace Windu’s Vaapad didn’t heal his scars and if Palpatine had this ability why not use it to drain on someone in a close vicinity like Mas Amedda whom though loyal was a expendable pawn to him through and through or his Grand Inquisitors whom are loyal enough to him to let him Force Drain them either which way there is no reason to give Disney any credibility or creativity this hurts the Lore more than anything and further validates that feculent sequel failogy. If you want to believe absurdities whatever is your head canon the fact is this is a pathetic uninspiring and lazy retcon for disney to validate their garbage story, George Lucas would not have made this the explanation.
Yeah its lazy and uninspiring the only reason they made this BS explanation is cause the hack jj anus bought Palpatine back in ros one of the worst movies of all time cause he didn’t know what he was doing since tfa when making this abysmal trilogy cause its easy with that narrative to just say “oh cause Palpatine was doing it all this time bruh didn’t you know?” it also takes from the Theme of Anakin’s bad decision making choices leading him to lose the ones he loves which is exactly what George Lucas was going for when writing ROTS it is a strong theme that is logical with a cohesive narrative but Disney once again contradicts that creativity with their abysmal storytelling once more and failing to understand Lucas’s vision and what Star Wars is for the bloody thousandth time!!!
This has been pretty much my headcanon for years. I agree - Padme was incredibly strong-willed. However devastated she was by Anakin's betrayal and Fall, I sincerely doubt she would have simply given up. Not when she had just given birth to her children. It makes far, far more sense to me that Palpatine, who at this time was likely at the height of his powers, essentially ripped her life-force from her to feed to Vader to keep him alive through the surgeries and getting him into the suit. In fact, viewed in this light, it is a statement of just how strong Padme was in that she held onto life long enough to give birth to the twins before her life force was completely drained from her.
What's more, Palpatine would have had multiple reasons for doing this. Yes, his primary motive was to keep Vader alive, but there was far more to it than that. Padme was, as you said, a formidable opponent in the political arena, and she had shown herself throughout the Prequel era to be more than able to mess with his plans. If one posits that Palpatine intended the events of TPM to jumpstart his path to power and turning the Republic into an Empire, he was not all that successful thanks to Padme's actions. Yes, he gained the Chancellorship, but really not much more - because Padme returned to Naboo, united her people and the Gungans, retaking the planet and ousting Nute Gunray. In this, Padme thwarted Palpatine's designs, and it took him another decade to get the war he needed. And there are other examples where Padme messes things up for Palpatine.
And also, in ROTS, we see Padme standing up to Palpatine, opposing his continuing to hold onto the Emergency Powers (not to mention the deleted plotline that had her helping to found the Rebellion). Palpatine was FINALLY getting his empire - he did NOT need someone like Padme around making things difficult for him. Not to mention, if she stayed in the picture, Vader's first allegiance would always be to her and Palpatine was not about to share Vader's loyalties with anyone anymore.
So, yeah, Palpatine had multiple reasons to get rid of Padme at this point, and he seized the chance to do so.
Anakin's story is a about a man who entirely went nuts because of nightmares that resulted in a lack of sleep. In episode two he already had a simalar nervous breakdown and the case was also a lack of sleep because of nightmares that haunted him.
Nightmares hand delivered by Palpatine himself
The more I learn about things like Darth Vader's suit, how Padme really died and so forth, the more I wish that they were covered in the movies.
This is a way better explanation for Padme's death than what many speculated. I actually theorized this when this phenomenon happened. The droids had no explanation for why she was dying. The force ability to heal others comes with the cost of the life force of either the user or someone else. Thank you for this video.
This video was more thought out than Disney star wars movies
The Jedi can force heal BUT NOT at the risk of another person losing their life to do it!
The Jedi do everything in their power to preserve, protect etc life!
George debunked this theory though
In response to all the people saying “wouldn’t palpatine have felt the twins?” Etc etc….here’s a possibility. Anakins birth was seemingly a direct retaliation of midichlorians against darth plagueis for his attempts to subjugate them and create life and live eternally himself. They directly lashed out against him by creating anakin. Wouldn’t it make sense that since palpatine was plagueis’ apprentice, and carried on with some of his work in hunting for eternal life that they could also have continued the retaliation by masking like and Leia from sidious? They could’ve been playing the long game with the Vader/Luke/sidious rotj arc to return balance to the force.
That's entirely possible, but it's also perfectly legitimate to simply say he didn't know. While I love speculation and theorizing as much as anyone here, there's should still be room for mystery. Not everything needs a meticulous explaination. "Because that's just the way it is" is a perfectly legitimate answer, especially when "the way it is" in this context wouldn't contradict already established lore.
The force protected them from being discovered
Its soo sad! as I got older and rewatched ROTS and I realized palpatine killed padme all along. He had the power to save people from dyin; he kept saying it. during the vader suit scene You can hear Anakin say "Padme help me" right before his heart stops and dies only for padme to die instead and save anakin from death. This blew my mind years later after realizing!
man im gonna have to rewatch that and turn the captions on
Yeah when palpatine said to Vader “you killed her in your anger” he was lying & gaslighting Vader into thinking he killed her wheras it was palpatine all along making sure he lived
As sadder, and probably better written, as this may have been, its a theory that George Lucas himself debunked. The whole "save people from dying" turned out to be more of a lie in the end, which makes sense given how deceptive Palpatine was time and time again. Besides, if Anakin was saved like that, he would've been revived to the point where he wouldn't need that suit to make him a walking ventilator.
I should also add, I rewatched the scene where he becomes Vader, and he didn't say "Padme help me", as that was just a guess based on a silent moving mouth. The only reason Padme died when Vader rose was to symbolically visualize how liberty died as the empire rose, since you have a senator who helped bring about Liberty that just died, just as Vader, who would eventually spread the empire's evil across the galaxy, being born.
Unlikely, but it is possible to die from a broken heart. Although what you said is more likely given the fact that Palps put his hand over Vader's head presumably force healing him. When Padme said, "There's still good in him," she still remained optimistic despite seeing Anakin turned and being her being force choked.
Rex Lee dying from a broken heart is highly likely. How many times do you hear about a couple has been married for fifty or sixty years and one dies and the other one will literally die within hours sometimes for no medical reason other than they gave up the desire to live. So in the Starwars Universe it would be very possible considering how attached those two words to each other. It actually makes more sense than what's presented in the video because Force healing is not an ability that Palpatine could use
@@Wyomingchief My grandparents are a example it is true. Tbh these people don't think out their writing that's the thing they just write their personal takes.
While it is possible to die from a broken heart, if that was the reason for her death the medical droids wouldn't be so confused. The confusion of the medical droids has always been the biggest plothole with her death
@@matteo-ciaramitaro Palp did it, Sith can only use force healing is by taking it away from someone else.
@@kangtheconqueror8359 Yea that's the fan theory. I am saying it's a plot hole for the "broken heart syndrome" people. I think it was Palpatine doing it too.
I agree. That's why the necklace Anakin gave Padme was shown In the casket. I think Sidious used the necklace as the tool to drain Padmes life and transfer it to Anakin. I have noticed in SW the 1st meaning of something isn't always the real meaning..
Exactly. Far be it from me to claim that the prequels don't have any flaws, but their critics use those handful of obvious flaws to completely dismiss the fact that they are riddled with thematic and symbolic subtext.
I'm all about subtext and symbolism, but you are reaching. This is coming from someone who would prefer the "life drain" over the "broken heart" but I know its just a theory.
If Palpy was able to reach out and drain her life force and feed it to Anakin, how was he unable to sense the other two life forces within her?
Or why didn't he just kill Obi and Yoda and anyone else with that power? Not buying.
Someone else mentioned that Padme gave her life force to save Vader which would make more sense.
Good question.Even moren why did the children not die to cause if he toke her lif force should the life force of the children not have been drained to??
@@aapzot That's like saying if you gas the house to kill somebody shouldn't the people who live there but aren't inside also die
The children where not Padme and while they were connected, there was no funnel to drain their life force. Needless to say Padmes lifeforce sufficed and there was no need to even consider that she might be pregnant by Palpatine.
@@alexanderelderhorst2107 I follow what you say but it could have been possible that because he did not know she was pregnant and he drain her life force and he used the max force he could unknowing havekilled the children.just saying
A simple question. How come 2 of the greatest force wielders of the galaxy(Yoda and Obi wan) who were present at the scene not sense something like this. Palps had to be using huge amounts of force energy, heck padme would be enjoying some kind of force signature as her life was being drained. Were the Jedi really going to be this damn stupid, because at this point their hubris is completely gone with Yoda himself recognising the hubris during his duel with palpatine. How could they not have sensed something like this happening when the force energy was literally being transferred halfway across the galaxy?
You mean the same guys who were completely blinded to Palpatines machinations up to that point? Not everything needs an explicit answer, and we don't need the answer to every lingering question or hypothetical in order to reasonably infer that this is nevertheless exactly what happened.
Cause it’s bullshit
It's because it's pure SPECULATION. People have been trying for over a decade to find a hidden non-existent explanation about something that IS EXPLAINED IN THE MOVIE.
and this is why i think it was just about a force connection she had with vader. She unintentionally died because Anakin was so connected to her in the force. it's like she died instead of him but not due to any life drain crap. palps had nothing to do with it. and Obi and Yoda would have most definitely felt something otherwise.
Remember Yoda once said the Dark Side was hard to see. So maybe that's why they didn't see her life-force being taken from her. And Palpatine didn't know about Luke and Leia.
Seems legit. I always thought that when anakin choked her, it ended up delaying oxygen flow to her brain, and her body just focused on saving the babies.
If you havent watched the clone wars series, Padme is more than just a Senator.
I can't buy the argument. The lesser flaw is Palpatine's knowledge of the twins' existence. Unless he kept it quiet in order to use it later, that is. The most obvious issue though is how would Obi Wan and Yoda have missed that? C'mon man!
It seems odd that Yoda wouldn't be able to feel that through the force. I mean Obi Wan wasn't particularly talented in using the force, but Yoda certainly was.
My thoughts exactly
Yoda wasn't good enough in the force to notice a sith in the same room so
@@evos469 I dunno, but he was giving Palpatine the side eye when he suggested that Obi wan guard Padme.
@@evos469 I thought the idea behind that was that the Jedi temple was built on an ancient Sith temple and that may have contributed to them not sensing him. Plus that was a skill he learned under Darth Plagueis as part of his training.
@@tylerp4130 even still the emperor couldn't keep it up permanently he's too much of a psychopath to not turn it off for a second just to troll them.
Yes! This was what I wholeheartedly believed and it is true. I’m so happy. I love Padmé’s character so much. She deserves better than being thrown into the background of, “oh she just died because she was heartbroken and gave up”. She’s not the kind of person that would have done that. Despite it being incredibly difficult to move on from being betrayed so greatly. She still would have found a way. She would have lived for her children. And she probably would have held onto the hope that Anakin wasn’t entirely lost. Just as her dying words were. But Palpatine is incredibly methodical and knew would have been a great threat to him if she wasn’t killed. So what better way to make Vader completely consumed by the Dark Side then to say he killed his wife. The one person he was so desperate to save. And I love that this is reflected in Ben in the sequels. The only way to heal another or to save them is to give them your own life force. It’s an act of selflessness to sacrifice your own life to save others.
Actually, its not true. Hate to be that guy, but George Lucas himself debunked this theory, which everyone knows its a theory, unless they really hate George's storytelling, but considering they may also very well be the same people who HATED the sequel trilogy, idk how much we should trust them. I agree that Palpatine killing Padme would've been a better, deeper twist (maybe), but if Vader was revived like that, he wouldn't have needed the suit which made him a ventilator on legs, given what we know about Darth Plaguies from an old story. Also, I'm not sure which Ben we're talking about here, but both Ben Kenobi and Ben Solo didn't give their lives in their sacrifices in the way you're saying Padme gave here's indirectly for Anakin.
But hey, your right about the stuff about what consumed vader in the dark side. Palpatine preyed on Anakin by saying his wife died to make him full of hate, and that's how he made vader his lap dog. Episode 3 made sure to hammer in how Anakin ultimately caused the one thing he spent most of the movie fighting to stop: padme's death. His literal nightmare came true, and it caused the death of liberty and the rise of tyranny at the same time, visually represented by the back-to-back scenes of Padme's death and Vader's birth. Also on a side note, in the Legends timeline, there's a story where vader hallucinates Padme thanks to a traitorous son of an imperial officer (Tarkin of all people) and his wife, and it ends with Vader killing them, and Sidious reflects how Tarkin would now be full of hate and a better officer thanks to the hate he now has over his son's death...sound familiar?
Imagine if Vader came to padmè’s funeral and just said “I’m not fighting, I’m here for peace” and when the funeral was over he just got on his ship and kept to his promise
This explanation makes sense because before they took Vader off of Mustafar, we see Palpatine put his hand out over Vader’s burnt body, as if giving him life of some sort. And the idea of draining Padme’s life force to sustain Vader seems like an ability that Palpatine would be able to possess.
And something that he would very likely do
@@jakealter5504 Absolutely.
Palpatine was just checking to see if Vader was a live or trying to calm him in some way. Obi Wan put his hand on Luke in the same way after Luke was knocked out by the Tusken Raider.
@@gransport4246 He wasn’t checking if Vader was still alive because when he arrived to where Vader was defeated, he was still moving and the turned on his back to look up at the sky, hence Palpatine saying “He’s still alive” and tell the clones to get a medical capsule. While it’s true that he could be calming Vader down but I don’t think that’s the case. Palpatine needed Padme gone in order for him to have complete control over Vader and draining her life force to keep Vader alive makes the most amount of logical sense
Where was this explanation found? If it was a common misconception, why wasn’t this particular explanation more obvious in the film? If this is true this is far more tragic than dying of a broken heart, but I feel like that would have been evident that he was draining her life force from across the galaxy in order to save Vader. Although a pretty dope scenario, it just sounds like a stretch to me. No offense.
I’ve heard this before several years ago. It’s a theory, it’s not in canon, I have no idea why he said it was canon in this video.
I don't think Palpatine was "across the galaxy." He showed up on Mustafar before Anakin could die, so he clearly wasn't that far away.
@@malachiwerner402 Agreed and I am sure the two Jedi masters could have checked Padme over.
It also doesn't make sense. He discarded Dooku and Maul as if they were nothing. He obviously sees people as things to be used. Why Save vader? Wouldn't him dying be proof he is unfit to be Sidious' apprentice?
its a cool story, but none of this is expressed in the film. It wouldve been cool tho if it were. im sick of them sticking Palpatine everywhere like its getting taacky at this point .
Unless I'm missing something, everything I've seen about the power to syphon life force into another requires close proximity of all parts, the victim, the conduit (one conducting the force life exchange) and the receiver. In that case, Padme, Anikin, and Palatine would all have to be at the very least on the same planet which is not the case. Because of this, I do not buy that is cause of death.
Not sure if the Padmey-Anakin premise here is valid (canonical) or conjecture, but it appears to be both: Lea gave hers to her son Kylo after he was momentarily distracted by her just as he was able to cut down Rey, and, ironically, Kylo gave that life to Rey who was killed in a duel with the emperor. Very Zen, this cycle of life and death!
I understand this explanation, but is it actually canonized? If so, what's the source in canon? It totally makes sense, but I've seen nothing to indicate that it's the actual reason. Broken Heart is the official reason until it's been further explained elsewhere. And while I understand "broken heart syndrome" it isn't something that typically happens at childbirth when a mother has two beautiful and healthy children to love. As it currently stands (broken heart), it's still a poor ending for Padme.
It's canonised now I guess. Disney can make anything they want canon
Padme also declares there is good in him (I know) and I think part of the good energy or good/light life force in Anakin kept him alive while Padme faded away. Otherwise after such severe injuries, Anakin really would have died. So yes, Padme’s light went to Anakin, kept him alive and remained buried deep inside Darth Vader.
"Common misunderstanding by fans" is a funny way of saying "what they were explicitly told"
I was under the impression that Anakin unknowingly drained Padme’s life force to prolong his own; instead of Palpatine doing this instead.
I’ve heard this before and I believe it-when you look at the scene and the way that they filmed it-it makes complete sense. There’s a reason they show her death at the same time they show Anakin’s surgery-because the emperor is draining the living force from her.
I never thought it was sadness, i thought it was a combination of birth and force choking.
Would Yoda and Kenobi not felt this strangeness in the Force?
Would Palpatine not know about the birth? And the existence of twins?
Too many holes here.
i agree
The force protected the twins even from obi wan and yoda from sensing them. They only assumed they'd be strong in the force because of anakin. And as for them not sensing palpatine the guy used sith alchemy he used it in the clone wars, rebels, and in rise of Skywalker so far
It seems reasonable, but Obi-wan was also in the room during the delivery. Why didn't he sense it? Such a strong use of the force would have been sensed by him. Moreso, there were times Ahsoka, being a padme, sensed weird uses of the force in the clone war animated series not to mention a Jedi master like Kenobi.
Excellent explanation! It makes sense. When Palpatine told Vader about Padme's death, he laughed watching his apprentice suffering. He was enjoying the moment, because he knew she was dead.
...or he enjoyed the moment because this pain seemed to be working to turn Vader...
he enjoyed seeing his manipulations come to fruition completely. He destroyed the Jedi by turning their "chosen one" against them, ensured that his new apprentice would never overcome him in power(all sidious would need to do was force lightning his suit really hard to kill him essentially), and killed one of his biggest political rivalries in Padme.
I have to disagree with this only due to the fact that if Palpatine was draining her Obi-Wan and Yoda would've been able to sense it. Yes I know he was very powerful and may not have been able to be stopped...but there's no way he would've been able to hide it since he had been exposed as Darth Sideous
I would have to disagree, in an aspect as they never sense when Dooku or Palps is gonna use lightening, they never sense when Anakin is gonna force push or choke. You can't sense for powers, but rather an individual through the force. But you can tell when something is gonna occur only cause most force abilities require a physical action prior to perform. So if Palpatine is out of said room, Yoda and Obi wan may sense Vader and Palps. But not the use of the force aka force drain or any other technique used.
Also before people say anything on vaders pushing of debris, in the older movies. He still points his lightsaber in the direction of ever slightly during to show that he is directing the debris.
@@maelofohio6682 you know when Dooku or palps is going to use force lighting. that's how Mace blocked it without ever being tagged, as well as Yoda from Dooku. palpatine was able to use the darkside to cloud their foresight, but that was all he was able to do, and they even noticed that, just couldn't figure out it's source because of other machinations and artifacts Palps had all over the senate area and in his own office hidden.
draining someone's life essence from across the literal galaxy would DEFINITELY be noticed by Obi-wan and Yoda.
I would posit that if they want to go with some more 'solid' reason rather then she just died from more or less a broken heart, then you could use the link between Anakin and Padme being strongest as it ever was while she was pregnant/giving birth and she literally not only went through the pain of childbirth, but also the pain anakin was going through during his surgeries and getting put into his suit. and the combination of all that pain and suffering overwhelmed her and she couldn't handle it and simply lost the will to continue.
not to mention, it was made pretty clear that Padme was never going to raise her kids. they had discussed that before she even gave birth that they would be taken and hidden away for fear of palpatine coming after them. so she didn't ahve her 'kids' to live for. Anakin was suffering and basically dying as far as she knew, and as such...she gave up the ghost.
That's basically what I always thought... Palpatine was the cause of his dreams through the Force as a means of manipulation, to play on his fears and drive him towards the Dark Side. He'd probably been behind the dreams of his mother Shmi being captured by the Sandpeople and used that to drive him toward the Dark Side, as Yoda warned him about attachments and fear of losing people. I figured through the Force Palpatine even managed to guide the Sandpeople to Shmi to capture her. It makes sense he would drain Padme's life force to save Vader, and in the process claim through a distortion of the truth that Vader had killed her, even planting the fact that he had in fact taken on her life force willingly to save himself when he was dying, thanks to Palpatine providing the conduit by stealing her life force and transferring it to Anakin/Vader when he was weakest, without him really realizing til later where the source of life energy came from. Padme would NOT have 'died of a broken heart" or some such rubbish-- a mother's love for her children and need to protect them would have given her the strength of will to overcome her loss of Anakin to the Dark Side, except that Palpatine managed to suck her life force out of her to divert it to Vader while she was most vulnerable.
The movie SHOULD have done better at explaining this. BUT like a lot of things in the prequels, they spent too much time on setup and diversionary stuff rather than really developing the characters and getting everything setup for the finale, where everything was basically "in place" for the years between Anakin turning to the Dark Side and Luke and Leia's birth, to the point where the original Star Wars A New Hope started off.
That's one of the main things I think that left people so disenchanted with the prequels. Personally I think the prequels are definitely the best looking and most technically brilliant of the Star Wars films, the penultimate of the visuals and special effects. Too bad the writing and storytelling was so "all over the map." I think they bit off more than they could chew-- they should have just started later in Anakin's life, rather than in childhood, and kept a tighter focus on him. Of course it's a hard balance to strike. The entire premise of the prequels was going to cause a lot of divergence of opinion and a lot of unhappy people anyway-- we know that they started at point "A" (where Anakin comes into contact with the Jedi order) and ended up at point "M" (the beginning of "A New Hope"), AND we know that there were various points like C, D, E, F, and G along the way that happened to the other characters, like Obi-Wan and Yoda, and various events like B, G, H, and I, that occurred along the way (the decline and fall of the Old Republic, the rise of the Empire, destruction of the Jedi Order, Anakin becoming Vader and destroying the Jedi, etc). SO we KNOW starting out that we're gonna start at "A" and end up at "M" and that these other things have to happen in there SOMEWHERE, that we learned from the previous movies... BUT like a long road trip, there are MULTIPLE WAYS to get there. I drive from Houston to Indiana to see in the inlaws twice a year-- there's myriad different ways to go, different freeways, different cities, different states. Some are out of the way a bit but faster, some are more direct but slower, some go to different places we like to visit from time to time and aren't too far out of the way. In the same manner, the prequels have a definite start and ending point (more flexibility on the start point actually, but the ending point always had to have all the characters in place where they would end up in "A New Hope". WHATEVER path they chose out of the possibilities, SOME people WOULD have been upset, because people naturally take what they know and made up their own stories of how this or that happened... so the prequels BY THEIR NATURE were going to be controversial and leave some people disappointed when it didn't happen the way they IMAGINED that it did before they came out.
The sequels on the other hand were just a complete betrayal of everything that had come before-- they'd have been better had they struck off in a new direction with new characters and not referenced the original movies or prequels hardly at all... other than the fact they were in the same universe 20 years in the future... the complete mishandling and sh!tting on everything that came before and all the original characters was just a travesty and unforgivable. Later! OL J R :)
I actually believed she died by giving birth to Luke and Leia cause she conceived twins who are two strong force sensitves with the chosen ones power in the force and that was the one that killed her
The older I get and the more people I've known who 'lose the will to live' or 'die of a broken heart' grows, the more plausible Padme dying from that becomes.
I’ve always believed that Palpatine was the reason for Padme’s death. There’s a reason that he smiled when he lied to Vader, When Vader asked if Padme was okay. Palpatine definitely killed Padme.
Palpatine smiled because he knew Vader was all his, as Lucas explained.
“She’s lost the will to live? What is your degree? In poetry?”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 was JUST about to leave this comment!
If Palpatine did kill Padme then Anakin killing the Emperor in ROTJ avenges her death
Before even watching the video my headcanon has always been that Palpatine drained her life and used it to keep Anakin alive. I don't remember who but someone once mentioned the possibility in a video and said thats why Lea died right before Hans ghost came to speak to Ben Solo. Lea drained her own life to bring Han back long enough to reach Ben.
Edit: I'm an idiot I think I got this headcanon from you.
Palpatine drained Padme’s life force to keep Anakin alive? From the moon Luke and Leia were delivered on? Palpatine is given too much credit in this explanation.
you forgot in the 3rd movie Leia talks to Luke about her mother and her memories of her. so did she really die or was it a fake taking her place so Padme could hide with her daughter on Aldaraan? how could Leia have memories of being with her mother as a toddler when she dies at the birth? it's not possible.
Wouldn’t Palpatine sense the twins while he was draining Padme?
It wouldnt make sense at all if he didnt
He probably did just on purposely didn't tell Vader because if he knew his children were alive he would've betrayed and left Palpatine
As much I LOVE this explanation, I wanted to comment that "broken heart syndrome" is an actual medical condition called "Takotsubo Cardiomyopathy", which can be triggered by extreme stressful emotional situations and result in cardiac arrest. Anakin and Padmè's argument on Mustafar, as well as all that had happened in the previous weeks leading up to Irder 66, and culminating in Anakin force choking Padmé while pregnant, is more than enough reason to trigger an event like that. This explains why the Medical Droids and the rest of the characters (as well as the audience), willingly believed it to be so. It has nothing to do with "strength of character", age, or physical health.
The way GL wrote it, was to fuel the irony of Anakin causing Padmè's death, while trying to save her.
Touché 🎩
Well this is good to hear sorta. My initial impression when watching the movie was she died of sadness and it infurated me to no end. It felt so out of character for her and I wondered what was going to happen to the scene regarding Leia talking about her mother in the original three. Was one of my favorite old scenes no longer cannon? Padme was such a strong character and it still sucks she was fridged in the end but finding out it was due to the Palpatine makes it sting a little less.
Its even more then that, she had 2 force sensitive Children in her. She felt trough the force the good in Anakin inprinting that on Luke, her own feeling were inprinted on Leia. Thats how Leia remembered her.
I remembered them saying in the movie she seems to have lost the will to live. I could never understand that quote and I just didn't get it. Fast forward many years and my wife's friend, her father passed away, and his wife, who had been with him pretty much her whole life, had three children together, she lost the will to live. She was healthy but heart broken and she simple stopped caring for anything and a couple weeks later she passed away. It was an eye opening thing.
I figured Palpatine implanted the visions of her death into his dreams so he would turn to the darkside to save her, and then when he choked her in that scene the stress from that event is what caused things to go wrong in childbirth, making it so she never would have died had he not tried to save her in the first place.
Yes! Thank you for this video. I’m obsessed with several Wayward Jedi TH-cam videos on this exact topic under “Love is the Balance” theme 👍 Yin/Yang
honestly, no. Pandabear still died of a broken heart,otherwise Kenobi and especially Yoda are sidiously dumb
Thank you! I have been screaming about this very thing for years, there's no way Padme would have died in childbirth of a broken heart when she just gave birth to twins. She was a strong woman with plenty of reason to live.
Can you really call it a "misunderstanding" when you have to dive deep into the lore to come up with an excuse and the movie (the main and vaunted Stand-Alone cannon) does absolutely nothing to justify this explanation? I don't think so. I just think George F'd up and now we're making excuses.
George actually came out about this, and according to him, it WASN"T Palpatine who killed her.
Instead of keeping his promise, Sidious used his power to drain the life of Padme to strengthen his new apprentice. This is tragedy at its finest.
I don’t like this explanation. Does this mean that Palpatine can drain anyone’s life force from wherever he is in the galaxy? Why wouldn’t he use this ability to kill Obi Wan or Windu from the other side of the galaxy? Or anyone else he wanted dead?
Well that makes a lot of sense. This is my opinion because the way Padme died seems to suggest that she never moved on into the afterlife, if there is one in the Star Wars Universe. Because the way Padme died, it seems like her spirit lived on around her son, Luke and she likely influenced him, which could explain why Luke thought highly of his father and make it common goal to redeem Darth Vader.
Maybe I'm looking too much into it
But if this is the case, would part of padme still be within Vader? And seeing Luke triggered that in a way as help to show that the good was still a part of him?
Glad to hear this confirmed from someone else. Not only does it make for a better story than ... "uh she died because she was sad" or because Vader accidentally force choked her too long. Rather the transferring of life essences, plays into the Sith 's / Palpatines overall attempt to manipulate life force. The great irony and tragedy that Vader was lured in the dark side with the promise that he would be granted the power to save Padme, only to be the cause of her death. And then Palpatine lying to him saying that was his own fault fault is just poetic gravy. I re-watched it last night the whole movie just seems to fast forward through major plot points , but I think they went out of their way to give that droid the line ...."Shes perfectly healthy, but were losing her" Star Wars is the GOAT for having the best story told in the worst possible way
I always thought that aniken rly was the one who killed her when he force choked her he did something which injured her which is why the emperor actually says “in your rage you killed her”.
It flows along better if he killed her, given the irony of the entire situation
Wow... This is extremely dark and so ironic... I think it fits the narrative pretty well. Thank you for bringing this to our attention and I'm surprised to have not heard about it sooner.
Here's a question. If Yoda and Obi-Wan were there when this happened. How come they did not sense this or uo force heal to help her.
The Jedi in general had long lost the ability to use Force healing with only a few Jedi retaining the ability to use it and all those were in the Temples Halls of Healing and would have been murdered by Vader and the clones during Order 66.
But... did she really die, or was it all a plot to keep her safe from her now insane husband? Did Senator Organa smuggle her to his homeworld and then get Leia to her there? Is the beautiful, sad mother Leia remembered actually Padme?
if I remember correctly is Palpatine use Anakin and Padme connection to give her life force to Anakin
also I blame Obi-Wan for Padme death
if he never told her he fell to the dark side she would never went to the planet
but there is one Theory I'm still trying to figure out did Palpatine give Anakin those bad dreams
Yes, Palpatine was sending those visions to Anakin. It's a good bet he had something to do with the Sandpeople taking Anakin's mom, too.
No. Palpatine did not give Anakin those dreams. Luke had visions of Han and Leia in trouble in the cloud city of Bespin. Fear is what drove those visions. Same with Anakin. Both Anakin and Luke lost a parental type figure...Shmi with Ani and Obi-Wan with Luke. We know that Anakin's love for Padme was intense so it makes sense that his fears of losing her, after he already lost his mother, would be just as intense and what really drove those dreams.
@@commontater652 I disagree. Palpatine would not have knowed anything about Anakin's mother until after the fact.
As Dexter Jettster once said in regards to the analysis ability of droids, “I should think that you Jedi would have more respect for the difference between knowledge and… heh heh heh… wisdom.”
I love this so much more then a 'broken heart.' This woman was an absolute badass and I truly believe if she had lived she would have been one of the founding members of the rebellion against the Empire.
As someone said in the comments, it's Anakin's vision of the future of Padame dying that caused him to become a Sith, and in turn it is because he became a Sith that Padame died. In timetravel, this is called a casual loop. A causal loop is a paradox of time travel that occurs when a future event (Anakin's visions) is the cause of a past event, which in turn is the cause of the future event. Both events then exist in spacetime, but their origin cannot be determined. A causal loop may involve an event, a person or object, or information
The Stupendous Wave: "It was Palaptine, and his dark side ability of using Padme's life force to keep Vader alive that killed her, and not simply a broken heart."
Me: "I know. Somehow... I've always known."
The only thing Luke remember of his Padme his biological mother was her saying before she died that “There’s still good in him.”
I never understood how people thought Padme died of a broken heart in the first place. Vader is born at the very same time Padme dies. Palpatine learned how to keep people from dying - he wouldn't have killed Plagueis before learning this. He drained her life force and gave it to Vader. I have been saying that since the film came out... seemed pretty obvious.
I wouldn't call it "obvious," but the story clearly does communicate this on multiple levels. People don't get it because it isn't explicit, and people aren't taught media literacy and how to read the subtext of a story.
I think in the Episode 9 novelization it is stated that Palpatine hadn't learned this from Plagueis when he killed him. That's why he had to rely on cloning technology for staying alive after the events on the Second Death Star.
Bullshit, this is just your headcannon for trying to excuse a dumb part of the franchise. In reality, she really did just lose the will to live.......which is dumb, but hey, it’s just a movie.
You really shouldn’t call dying of a broken heart dumb as it happens to many people in fact dying of a broken heart is a medical condition and a very serious one at that.
I disagree, there is no obviousness about this theory.
She died of a broken heart, as Lucas explained. The same way Carrie Fisher's mother died.
So big papa Palpatine can remotely drain life force from one person a great distance away and feed it into someone else remotely? I always thought that the broken heart line was crappy but I honestly think this explanation is even lazier. Maybe if it had been previously hinted at he had this incredible power I wouldn't hate it as much but as it sits it just makes it worse imo.
This is a very compelling argument one I would like to explore further. Thanks!
We shouldn't have to buy additional books/comics to get the full story. If people don't get what your intention is because you don't tell them the fault is with you
You don’t like reading? The novels are amazing
@@nicksnovelreviews8733 I have pretty much all the EU books from ANH sll the way to the end of Yuuzhan Vong War. My point is they are additional stories, not telling you things about the movies that the movies don't
I remember this point being raised more than 18 months ago on other YT channels. Palpatine sought to kill Padme from the onset.. it was never a question of if but when. Once he discovered that Anakin and Padme had a relationship, then married and then were having children, he knew that one way or another, she would die. If not by his hand, then by Vader's. The other forums drew attention to the moment after Luke and Leia were born, where Padme surrenders to death telling Obiwan that she still believed that Anakin had good in him.. Then at the moment she dies, Vader takes a breath. There was even speculation that Padme sensed this for a brief moment. Palpatine miscalculated as he wasn't aware that Luke and Leia were alive. He got his Vader, but he did not know about Luke and Leia until much later.
From what I can tell, this is just a theory, one Lucas debunked, that people love just cuz it fixes poor dialogue about Padme "being healthy but dying anyway". Irony is, the dialogue is still there, and that issue isn't fixed, nevermind all the other evidence from both George's mouth and the rest of the series that debunks it.
I always thought it was Anakin(Vader) That killed Padme but the reality is that he did kill her not the way i imagined it so from a certain "Point of view" Anakin(Vader) did kill Padme
Remember in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace when newly minted Senator Palpatine aka Darth Sidious aka The Emperor said that he’d watch Anakin’s Jedi career with. great interest. He knew that he was powerful and used every Darkside trick in the book to manipulate Anakin to turn. That included his love for Padme. That’s why he helped kill Windu. It all came down to Padme who died because Palpatine drained her life force to keep Anakin alive after Mustafar so that he could fully become Darth Vader.
THANK YOU! I have always hated the broken heart crap for such an iconic character. Always thought good ol Palpy was behind it in some way.
Geroge, and other channels like this, say otherwise.
I beleive padme was an actual "ascended" or "earth Angel" in terms of an accomplished soul living as humans to guide humanity.
Her homeworld is the same as palpatine and when Anakin as innocent as a child ask her if she was an Angel. She chuckled as to any kid inocence.
She was proeficient in pretty much every field of work she went in and parted extensive maturity for her age.
I‘ll take dying of a broken heart explanation over Palpatine sapping her life. See absolutely no reason why two of the strongest Jedi couldn’t have sensed that, especially given they were in Padme‘s company.
You'll take an incredibly strong-willed person dying of sadness on her two children over the culmination of the Rule of Two utilizing an advanced force ability under the noses of a few Jddi after he successfully concealed his true presence in the force from them from right under their noses for years?
@@Tyrosine0910 Absolutely. Every time we’ve seen force drain occur, even the time Sidious used it on Rey and Ben, he was in the company of the target. When it was first shown in canon on Mortis, the target was in the company of the user. So pretending that magically, Sidious could do it entire Star systems away defies the precedence and factors we were already shown. Even more, both times it was used it was very clearly observable and recognizable. So once again, I fail to see how Yoda would’ve failed to sense that technique being performed. Also comparing force cloak, a technique intended to obscure to an offensive force technique that we’ve ALWAYS been able to observe is iffy.
So like I said, I’ll take the canon death with precedence to one with none.
I think I’d agree with you, if I’d only seen 1-6. The dark side clouds the minds of many, including the Jedi
@@lotusinn3 Maybe but that doesn't mean he couldn't do it, I mean Thrawn tested a jedi battle meditation on three separate battles in different star systems going on at the same time and it worked.
@@mavraszunwoody2527 Well when he does it, I’ll recant my statement. Until then, the one time we see Sidious do it, wasn’t anything that could compare to Padmés death. Anything is possible, but until it’s shown or said, it’s conjecture.
The problem here isn't what actually happened. The problem (as so many things are in the Prequels) is how it's represented and explained in the movie. There is no explanation other than the passing comment by the droid leaving the fans to draw their own conclusions. In any narrative, the story has to stand on its own. You cannot depend on someone tracking down another work (especially a different media like comics, books, games, etc) to find that one explanation that somehow justifies an event. In RotS, Padme dies without explanation, the end. This happens after they cut down her screen time to "I'm pregnant," "I'm crying," and "I'm dying" which was breathtakingly disappointing to everyone involved (my friends and I saw it in theaters, literally everyone walking out was talking about the duel on Mustafar and how they ruined Padme). Frankly, considering the retcons that Lucas has already done, I'm very disappointed that he hasn't called Natalie Portman and begged her to do a few scenes for a more complete cut.
Plagueis could "keep the ones he loved from dying". Palps told Anakin 'together, we can learn the secret' (which Palps did). Later, during childbirth, the med droids tell *us* Padme is healthy but still dying - and that is when *we* learn how he saved people from death: by transferring (stealing) life force (no pun intended). We see Anakin, Padme, Anakin, Padme; it was right in front of us.
Exactly, it's subtext being communicated visually. You don't need an explicit explanation within the story itself because not only would that dumb it down, but it would also kind of defeat the point.
If Vader was revived like DP, he wouldn't have needed that suit, which made him a walking ventilator. Plus, Palpatine NEVER taught Anakin that supposed secret, which came off more as a bold-faced lie in the end, which is not suprising considering how deceptive Sidious always was. Hell, in a Legends storyline, he was happy about how an Imperial officer would be full of hate after his son died at vader's hands, which is very reflective of what happened to Vader. May I also add this was an old storyline that hammered in on Vader's guilt about her death and what he became afterwards?
The only thing visually communicated was how Padme didn't want to live in a galaxy where she lost everything she ever wanted. Losing her husband was just scratching the surface, since Anakin's dark turn also led to the destruction of the liberty she fought for her whole life. Her dying along with Vader rising was symbolic of how liberty died and tyranny rose.
I also agree that the whole "she's healthy but she lost the will to live" was poorly written, and was one of the many kinks in the prequel trilogy that made the fandom not want George Lucas to make another movie again. I also agree that the life drain twist would've been a better death probably, especially with all the canon stuff now that shows that vader and sidious didn't have a rosy relationship, especially in regards to Padme. But George himself confirmed Palpatine didn't kill her, so let's respect that, for better or worse.
I always thought the idea of Padme dying of a broken heart was lame. Your theory makes more sense. I think Anakin"s vision of Padme's death was planted by Palpatine. Palpatine knew Anakin"s weakness and used it to his advantage.
i do think it's a reasonable explanation that he drained her to save him and fuel his pain and anger to strengthen his dark side connection, and honestly makes more sense given her character and all the facts. but the power the mind has over the body is also very strong, and saying that dying from a broken heart is "disrespect" or a "joke" or a "disservice" is in itself actually disrespect. as if feeling deeply is somehow shameful. this is toxic and a big problem in our society. for example, sometimes elderly couples will die within days or months because of the deep sadness or loneliness and that is nothing to be ashamed of. please get rid of the toxicity mixed in with your otherwise reasonable argument.
Agreed it is perfectly possible for someone to die from grief and it's a shame that modern society demonizes it.
@[ ] i guess it is worth clarifying at least once. i was not calling him personally a toxic person. i said "this is toxic", referring to the idea that he is spreading. as i said in my original comment i actually agree that she probably would not have died for that alone given her character and all the facts, but calling it "disrespect" or a "joke" or a "disservice" is harmful language in this context that perpetuates toxic ideas for the reasons i touch on in the original comment. as if feeling deeply is somehow shameful. this is a toxic idea that is perpetuated by many, not just in this video. so maybe read my word a little more carefully before responding. i even specifically called his argument an otherwise reasonable one. it was just mixed in with a few toxic ideas.
@[ ] it doesn’t matter how young you are it is a medical condition of dying of a broken heart and even Kids have died of it, so Padme in this situation would of died of a broken heart as not only anakin is lost but everything she fought for in the senate would of been for nothing.
THANK YOU
@@hireikana18 are you saying this to me?
I believe it is by far the best explabation of Padmes death that I have heard!
I always thought Anakin was the one who killed her unintentionally by reaching out with the force to preserve his own life.
That's not what happened. George Lucas confirmed as much.
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi Yes, he's the one who said she died of a broken heart.
That can't have been the reason because they were in a different system when she died and both Obiwan and Yoda were near her and sensed nothing...
Emperor Palpatine murdered her😤
No, It will all Anakin.
@@UltimateSpider1385 But he sucked the life force out of her in exchange for Anakin to live.
@@kingshadow8782 ok Disney kid. Believe this dumb garbage disney came up with kid. She died of a broken heart and lost the will to live.
@@kingshadow8782 Ol Palpy McScrodie always wanted to bang the "life" outta Padme... He got the chance to do it by using the ancient forbidden force power of 'Sith Sodomization'.... Ripped Padme a new one and she bleed to death. Next Ol Scrottyface gathered what little force essence he could salvage from her gapping new orphace and used it sustain Vaders life until medical treatment on Coruscant... The rest is history baby... hahahaha
My take on this is not concrete, but I do not believe Padmé died of a broken heart. She’s far too strong of a character to do so. So that leaves two possibilities in my mind: 1. Anakin killed her with a force choke, or, 2. Sidious killed her in some way. Since the medical droids would have picked up any physical damage caused by the force choke, we can rule #1 out. This means the Sidious had something to do with it. I see a lot of people doubting Sidious’ power, which to be fair is not definitively stated, but this guy was able to deceive the likes of Yoda, Obi-wan, and Mace Windu, which means he’s no dark side slouch. I have no doubt in my mind that he also planted the dreams Anakin was having, which is why Yoda was having issues seeing the future when Anakin sought advice from him (Sidious was clouding the future to conceal his mechanisms from Yoda). Sidious also managed to get a whole army built right underneath the Jedi Order’s nose and use it to kill them with no issues whatsoever, while still keeping the republic completely at his fingertips. I don’t find it hard to imagine that someone this powerful could transfer life force across star systems or just outright kill a weakened individual in a state like Padmé was. I personally believed Sidious outright killed her, but the life force transfer also makes sense. Not to say that it’s impossible she died of a broke heart, but extremely unlikely. As others have stated, Padmé’s death also ignited the rage and suffering inside Vader, which made him an extremely effective weapon. I’ve also seen it pointed out on other threads that Padmé and Vader’s breathing is even somewhat in sync as Padmé dies and Vader rises, reinforcing the life force transfer theory. Either way, I think this was intentionally left vague by Lucas to generate this type of curiosity and debate, furthering the fascination with the storyline.
Quick side note, Palpatine’s mistake of keeping Vader alive would ultimately be his undoing, as I’m sure many of you know, as he allowed the chosen one prophecy to fulfill, a prophecy that resulted in his death. Before he came back because, you know, plot armor.
I think padme really loves anakin so much she wouldn’t tell obi wan where he went, and why the hell anakin would force choke his own pregnant wife is beyond me
On the surface, Anakin thought she had betrayed him, bringing Obi Wan to Mustafar. But in the bigger picture, Anakin did not genuinely love her - he was intensely infatuated with her and used her as an escape or an excuse for his own shortcomings as a Jedi. He was more obsessed with his own feelings and inner struggle, than with her well-being. His desire to keep her alive was not for her benefit, but for his selfish feelings.
the only thing that has me doubt this is it was already discussed that he supposedly did out of instinct the same thing Darth Sion did in Kotor. a Dark Side force ability to deny death or something. i forget the name of the video though. though i think it may have been him accidentally doing it not sidious. through the use of said ability he mimicked from Darth Sion he could have in a heat of a moment siphoned off her life to instinctually live without knowing it. and it be her because she was the closest to him emotionally, spiritually and such if you get my drift. they were connected, they had children. so instinct grabs what is most recognizable to it.
The one thing I disagree with you on is that it was "the fans misinterpreting Padme's death". No it was Lucas's shoddy screenplay and script with no other explanation for her death other than what we saw on the screen and what the droid's said. For all intents and purposes if you just watch the film, thats how she died, she lost the will to live. As much as I love how expansive SW is, it seems like Star Wars and/or Lucas have this habit of making things or events or explanations grander in the books and comics than in the films. Because this could have been shown in the prequels, but it wasnt. I doubt this explanation wasnt even really thought up until after.
Anakin's only fear was her dying, and why he joined Palpatine to learn how to save her. Palpatine taught him the wrong way to force heal, and made Vader kill her while thinking he was saving her. Once he dons the mask, and asks about her, gets the bad news, he states "She couldn't have, I felt it!".. it's really sad, and evil, and above all beautiful screen play written by Lucas.. It's why we love SW, cause it's so beautiful it hurts
@@WideEyeNow "She couldn't have, I felt it" line can way too easily interpreted in a way that Vader/Anakin felt that Padme was not dead on Mustafar.
Which is totally reasonable since after having little domestic violence Vader/Anakin has his totally occupied by duel and staying alive/burned-->we as viewer's only see Vader being awake at surgery table-->it is reasonable to assume that he was unconscious most of the between-->which explains why he did not feel Padme leaving the planet (since we as viewer's only know that sensing through force only works when plot demands it).
If we wuold have gotten one scene of Sidious doing Sith things (or Yoda/Obi-wan wondering why force is fading from Padme or something) before surgery/birth then this life drain idea wuold have been properly foreshadowed to actually be possibility in everyone's mind. Now it just takes too many leaps of faith for your average viewer to get there.
So yeah, really nice true reason. REALLY badly executed.
Yeah, that's how I saw it too. Strictly a production issue and timing issue. Wrapping up filming, screenplay and script was....not the best. Film the scene, someone else can fill the details later. Broken heart or it was actually Vader/Palpatine ....sure, whatever works now or later.
@@STUDI0TK why should we need an explicit scene where this is unambiguously stated? Not everything needs to be explicitly stated in the text. Subtext is a thing, and it makes every story more rich and nuanced. Besides, it being on the level of subtext was the entire point. It isn't supposed to be obvious. Far he it from me to claim that there aren't any issues with the Star Wars prequels, but their critics use the mere existence of flaws to dismiss the fact that there's actually a lot more going on with its characters, plot, symbolism and themes than a lot of people understand.
Where was it clearly stated that Plageuis siphoned life force from people in order to use force heal? And even the the very notion of Palpatine using force heal to save Padme feels like a clever manipulation from the Sith Lord, preying on Anakin's fears and insecurities
I'm not completely fluent with the expanded universe so please be polite when I ask this. Is using the force to drain someone's life essence something that Darth Nihilus did? And if so, is it safe to assume that this wisdom was passed on through the generations of Sith Lords? (I am presently under the impression that the apprentice learns everything the master knows.)
I wonder if Anakins barely audible "help me padme" just before he is fitted with vaders mask had anything to do with Palpatines ability to drain padmes life force?
Finally the real story behind Padre's death! I could never accept her dying because of Anajin's betrayal. This makes far more sense
It does make more sense, but its still just a theory. George Lucas even debunked this.