Everytime you redo them, I'm like "NOOOO" because I love them so much. But it's such a glowup. The Fire line looks SO much better, I'd say especially Quexcell. And the Water line translates the music theme through its design much more than before. I also get what you say about anthropomorphic features too, starters are the Pokémon who are the closest to us... so they should look like us the most.
this is personal preference but I think you need to make sure not to cross the line of anthropomorphic to the point where most of their proportions are human like, I think that's why the gen 8 starters were poorly received and a lot of people found them uncomfortable.
@@bumberquest3031 Yeah. It’s one thing to have a human shaped pokemon that looks like a mythological humanoid creature. It’s another thing to have a Pokémon that could be a person in a suit.
@@bumberquest3031 yeah if a design is TOO human-like you cross into uncanny valley or furry aesthetic depending on the creature its based on. Thats why cinderace and inteleon were so poorly received, they look like people in costumes instead of pokemon.
I still wanna play this Pokemon game, so badly, after a year of progress. You had me hooked from the start, and these redesigns just...keep on igniting that desire again and again!! Keep at the amazing work!
i still wish bathygigas was called orcaestra. will say i like the new design a lot more, i feel like starters should have the most expressive faces and forelimbs due to being the focus of most of the animations. quexcell is much better, the pupil makes it much more empathetic.
Hmmm, having said Orch”A”estra out loud, it doesn’t roll of the tongue as well, especially with the design being more based on Sperm Whales than Orcas. I do agree on the new designs though.
@@tompotter8703 I assumed it was pronounced "Orch-ay-stra" which allows for fluidity between syllables. I don't particularly like the name "Bathygigas" personally, because A) Regigas, B) Bathy isn't a term that inspires particular confidence, as if it were named rubber-duckygigas or splashygigas. Idk there's some childish charm there which doesnt quite fit with that stage in the evolution and C) the name Betty (which i find off-putting). Obviously you can contest these points, but those are just my opinions on the name.
@@colmlooney5843 well, for the Regis, each of them is named after what they’re made of, and plenty of Pokemon have rock, ice etc in their names. For me Bathy (often referring to depths) reminds me of bathysphere, a manned deep sea exploratory vessel. Half the fun of pokemon names is finding out where they came from.
While there were improvements in Bathygigas, I do feel the design is slightly busy and off-balance. I'd recommend trying to render the same design a few more times to see if there's a way to keep the improvements but make the design a little more concise. I look at Quetzillian and I get it, the emotion of the character, but with Bathygigas the point seems muddled behind minor errors. I love the work you do and the art you make is miles ahead of mine, but I think that, knowing what you can do, Bathygigas 2.0 could use a little more work to be as great as the others.
I agree to this. The design is too "heavy" on one side. The original pose with the new features might fix that. Or finding a way to increase the tail's length/weight to make it more equal.
@@alseanunca681 Definitely the weight - I think keeping the way the body tapers in the original and connecting that bubble dorsal fin to the front bubble would help with balancing it. It kinda looks like if its fins weren't there it'd keel over sideways. It also just looks a bit stubby and like its size could be conveyed better. The concept is a lot more solidified in this iteration though, and the design process is just that - a process.
I really like the updates. However, something about the water last stage bugs me a bit: a trainer doesn't interact with that design. Let me be clear, something that is really appealing about some designs is the fantasy to ride or fight among your Pokemon. Bathygigas feels like it should be left alone instead of being close to its trainer. Hope this made sense to you. Great work!!
I dunno, I feel the previous design looked less appealing to ride on, with that random second dorsal fin, and the fact that its huge head would get in the way. Unless what you're saying is that, personality-wise, it seemed more like a "loner" Pokemon? Maybe, but like he said, you _should_ feel like you're bonding with your starter Pokemon more than any other party member.
I definitely agree with this. I feel like it needs to be smaller somehow? like, i know it's a whale but every other starter is more or less human-sized - i think that's an important part of the appeal of a starter pokemon. Although, i absolutely love the first two designs. Maybe it would be better to go for more of a dolphin than a whale?
i kind of agree with you, but at the same time, i can totally imagine a trainer with a bathygigas who's a musician, and they perform concerts on their pokemon's back while it echoes out their music through it's face-speakers
I LOVE Quetzillian's new pose, much more dynamic I think. Gastronaut looks great, like its ready for battle and about to light some mons up with its cannon. Bathygigas... I'll be honest as much as I love this improvement its still not quite to my taste, the fins don't feel like they can bend properly. Honestly I think its just a challenge to design whale mon in general. I think its because we're already primed to think of them as massive, so adding more features onto them overwhelms us, like how we can't properly comprehend the true size of the earth and the sun. Plus their streamlined shape doesn't lend very well to adding on lots of new features, probably why Wailmer and Wailord both keep their designs simple.
I agree, I'm not sold on bathygigas completely. It's cool, but hmm. I feel like he may revisit it again in future anyways, as he has done already several times as we see here haha.
I like your way of anthropomorphizing your designs, they underline your final evos having human - like traits, without having them look too human. I don't have a gripe with final evos having somewhat human traits and in some of the official ones it works really well, like with Lucario or Mewtwo - I just don't like the ones where they slap on breasts/chests and too human muscles and stuff...
Same. The line for me personally is when a Pokémon takes up something exclusively human, which is way I dislike the Galar starters (Soccer, spying, and very human drums)
@@sunstar8782 well, Sorry to say the least, but I literally made the Fire starter of my region look like a Bootleg "Turtle Bazooka" from Kamen Raider, because its a Snake Grenadier.
Love the rework, but I noticed all three starters are special attackers, and I think Quetzillian is more suited for a physical attacker (while it's pre-evolution could be a mix or more special oriented)
I feel like Bathygigas looks a lot more odd now, the fins being so long and straight, and coming straight out of the side of the head right next to the eyes, they look very awkward, as well as the proportions looking a lot more stumpy and short now, I think combining the new ideas and the old design would get the best of both worlds
I feel like the front fins on Bathygigas are way too close to the head/neck. They feel almost like droopy dog ears than arms. I feel like if you ever want to go back and tweak the art again, moving the front fins back would improve the design! (And you better be giving us a new guitar pokemon lol) Keep up the great work tho! I freakin love all the mons you keep tossing at us!
The quetzillian repose is perfect, it keeps the energy and trades a tiny bit of that attitude from the first one into fluid fiery motion through its dancing pose which emphasises its concept and typing perfectly (even as a silhouette)
After absorbing these amazing re-designs, am I the only one obsessed with the idea of the three final evolutions throwing a sick dance party for wild Pokemon? Bathygigas could handle the music with its bubbles, Gastronaut could whip up some sick lighting and decorations with its skills as a visual artist, and Quetzillian could literally burn up the dance floor and give all the other Pokemon inspiration with its feathers. That could make for some awesome fan art.
@@musahussain5855 speak for yourself! I think Queztillian and Bathygigas pair up perfectly being based on dance and music respectively. Gastronaut not quite as much, but every good venue needs a sick set design.
came back for the latest renders of the starters. such a perfect and adorable trio.. each appeal to a different archetype, porsite would be my pick always. i would have trouble evolving it 😅 hope bathygigas gets a revisit at some point, you’re linework and rendering has improved so much over the course of a year.
"It's always worth trying something that seems hard to do." - Jack Burke This is the reason I started animating. Back then, I tried, and found it WAY too hard, and ended up being burnt out WAY too early. I recently tried to get back into it, and I made two full animations! I'm super happy with how they turned out, and now that I'm getting the hang of it, I want to do more. So yeah, this statement is 100% accurate.
Watching you reassess your designs is one of my favourite parts of your Mazah work! This video in particular is a great showcase of how an artist’s ‘style’ is about more than just medium choice, anatomy, and rendering. Even without significantly altering Gastronaut and Quetzillian’s anatomy or proportions, you’ve made them more compelling and dynamic through pose and expression; it’s really neat to see how it’s possible to work to a house style or brief (such as Pokémon’s silhouette and design traditions) without compromising a design that you’re already happy with. With Quetzillian especially - what is truer to Pokémon’s legacy than having to condense an ambitious design to ensure that it doesn’t break anything? Well done!
I love how bathygigas went from keeping it's music to itself to sharing it with others through speakers it really personifies the growth of personality
The new Bathygigas is amazing. There was always something that felt a bit off about it to me, and this fixes that. Even if I'm still not sure what exactly it was.
The previous design had way too many unnecessary features if we're being honest. It looked like how a lot of Gen 4 Pokemon just added random stripes, rings, and decals on the designs for no real reason. The final design is simpler, technically speaking, but looks a lot more organized. I especially love how the "speakers" on the front also resemble eyes, which fits really well with the psychic theme, and instantly conveys that this thing makes its bubbles and sonar using psychic waves.
I like the speaker design of Bathygigas however I like the dramatic pose of the original better. Especially since it made him look more confident and happy showing his emotional growth. I love that design and the others though! Great work.
As a grass starter guy, I’m always anxious but excited when you upload tweaks to the grass starter line, but I’m always thrilled with the results. Also happy to be warming up to the other starters more and more (not to say I didn’t love them from the start; grass is just where it’s at)
I gotta say, I love the reworks. Especially Bathygigas! It went from weird to adorable. The speaker bubble really makes it feel like it wants to share it's music with you. However I am going to miss the metal plate look of Quetzillian's wings. I thought that gave it more of a Mayan statuesque look. Still love him overall though.
I wonder if any of the prompt pokemon will evolve into each other? I personally hope so as the dex seems 1 stage heavy but I love it all the same! Maybe the ghost type will finally be the much anticipated aztec warrior hummingbird design😊
I definitely liked the guitar bubble design and though it was really cool, but damn the speaker makes so much more sense and new design overall just looks better! Love these redesign videos, it’s really a strong still to look at something your proud of and say “I know I can make that better”, even if it seems impossible at first! Keep up the good work!!!
I would love to see some Alebrijes, they are these mix between two animals with antrhopomorphic features, a cat/panther with wings seems to be pretty popular, they are spirit guides that are strongly connected to nature and they are often made as these very colorful sculptures which were first made by a Guy that had this very surreal fever dream. My idea was a winged coloful panther that would act as Lupacabra's "rival" in terms of strength and maybe have a cat and dog relationship.
I love these new designs so much!! everything I didn't like about the previous ones was fixed with these and I honestly don't have anything that I don't like about these. perfect is a word that's of course difficult to use around art but I'd argue these are pretty damn close!
I think I agree with some people about Bathygigas losing its guitar motif, especially after the amazing Gmax form, but I understand you're going for Beluga. If it was an Orca, the fin would contribute greatly to the guitar shape. If I could just add one more constructive piece of criticism, though, it would be nice if Quetzillian stayed a winged serpent. Adding legs turns him into yet another flame bird. We already have Moltres, Blaziken, Flametalon, Ho-Oh, Oricorio, but we don't have any flame serpents. I think you would still be able to to keep the bold pose, minus the legs, by creating a thicker trunk that wraps around in the same fashion as the tail. I guess once you put arm-wings on something it technically becomes a bird, lol, but a longer trunk still feels more in line with Quetzalcoatl inspiration/dragon typing.
For Bathygigas: I think the front fins look off, their placement makes it hard to imagine how this pokemon would move around in water, they look awkward and restraining and don't really hit that anthropomorphism you were aiming for. Maybe you should switch the fins, make the hind fins be physical and the front fins made out of bubbles, that way it could extend and shape those whatever way it wants, maybe having a more arm like appearance on land while turning into fins while in water. (You could even give them a hidden ability where when Bathygigas is on water terrain it gets a speed boost)
New Bathygigas is a vast improvement. I could do without the rear bubble-fins personally, but the speaker front works a lot better than the wonky guitar-bubbles
I like the rear bubble fins! It's sort of like a transition from a bubble on the tail to a more useful bubble, sort of suggesting that the pokemon has fully understood its abilities and developed. Idk, I like it haha, plus actual aquatic animals have rear fins like that and it's also like little legs to help anthropomorphise it a bit more too. Generally the silhouette is just more interesting with it
I like how the new Bathygigas' speaker motif also ties into the concept of it becoming enlightened and opening up its' "third eye". Really strong designs overall, I can definitely imagine these in movement, and even interacting with other pokemon!
Baby, new starter designs just dropped, and they're incredible!! ❤️❤️ I liked the change in Gastronaut's pose, it helps share the ideia that it has it's heroic personality it received through it's evolutions
I've suggested this consistently and I'm still gonna. A ghost fighting type named Olkicks or olkix that is a reference to the Aztec sport that was essentially a ritualistic mix of a proto-soccer and proto-basketball which was sometimes used to determine whether war captives would be sacrificed.
Your rendering style is fantastic! I do really like the changes to the water line. Porsite is the cutest thing I've ever seen and while I kind of wanted the entire line to stay as round, vacant beach balls, the new deign of Bathygigas really works. The original felt very much like a whale with stylised water around it, while this version really captures that unique blend of themes Pokemon does best
I actually didn’t enjoy the final water design you originally created very much because it looked incredibly odd to me but I absolutely adore the redesign, if this were a real Pokémon game they’d be my starter.
I love your designs but I think you could really tell more about the Pokémon with their abilities. A lot of Pokémon strengths are from their abilities and more creative picks would be cool. For gastronaught I would have picked weak armor because of its strong defensive stat, allowing it to exchange that for speed. For Quetzillian could have levitate which makes sense because of its wings but also makes it a possible better alternative to Hydreigon, making it immune to its main weakness. Finally, I would give Bathygigas liquid voice which would go along great with its sound based design and making it a super strong, sound based pokemon. This is just a recommendation but I think you can really tell a lot about a pokemon by its ability and It would help people understand them better.
I agree that Quexcell's original round wings didn't do much for its silhouette, but I think they actually really work with the original Quetzillian render... The 'mon has quite a bit of eye-catching parts to it - a long and flaming tail, swooping feathers in very bold complementary colours, large headdress, swirled pauldrons.. The straight edges of the original wings also harmonized really nicely with the upper part of the headdress, and emphasized the broadness of the wings in a way that distinguished them from the rest of the design. But all in all, Quetzillian is still a wicked good design, definitely one of my favourites from this region
Your work is astoundingly thoughtful and teaches me new insight! To me, Bathygigas looks overdesigned to the extent of resembling the Hoenn Legendaries. Maybe choosing between the headphones and speakers symbolism would help clarify the theme without being over-the-top?
Great work as always, these starters are incredible! However, I think you forgot about their G-Max forms which should be updated to go along with their updated designs, especially Bathygigas
Partialy because of you I finaly had the courage to start making my own Pokemon region based on the Netherlands, the size of such a project initialy scared me, but your Mazah series helped a lot! Thank you!
I love seeing how you progress your way of imitating the Pokémon style, while maintaining your own in an excellent mix. It's no news that everything you do always has so much quality, respect for that Jack! 👊
Hi, I honestly am in love with these designs and am excited by the possibility of this region become a full fledged game, however I want to talk about stats today. All of your starter Pokémon are special attackers which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but I think it would be more balanced it quetzillian was a physical attacker, being also based off a dancer could also relate it to being a warrior as the mayan warriors would also preform dances. So yeah, I believe that would be pretty neeto
Only bad thing about quetzillian: Fire/Dragon is incredibly OP, as fire resists Dragon's 3 weaknesses. But that's just nitpicking, I love the glow-ups!
bro watching your designs of Pokemon are so amazing it makes me want to create my own but I don't know how honestly you gave me the passion to draw now
I absolutely love the changes made to Bathygigas. The change to its bubbles as headphones and a speaker fits so perfectly with the mid evolution's headphones. Basically going from using them to block out others and instead flipping them around to share its music with the world. Love it!
Tbh i LOVE the water starter since i love cetaceous and i cant live without music so even tho it could be hard i would like to train and raise a bathygigas
Hell yeah another Starter video. Healthy revisions are good for the creative process, and keeping the oldest things to a newer standard is good. Looking forward to apoctober.
I think you did great with the redesigns, I'd love to see a sit down review of the pokedex when its over with some poketubers to get their impressions.
I don't understand how you can constantly improve so much. When I see the original designs I think they are a perfect fit, and then... you just make them more perfect. It must suck as an artist to put a project down/be satisfied with past work when you have probably outgrown it soon after you are done. That's what I have heard some people into art say, and seeing you redesign I think I get a decent sense of that lol.
i loved the changes you made! I do think bathygigas looks a bit derpy now though. Something about that original pose and the stripes down the side made it flow really nicely. The shape of its head and mouth were a lot more whale-like and appealing imo. That being said, the speaker idea is interesting!
Ash would definitely have a quexcell and it would jump into a big attack and ash would do that thing where he stands in front of it then quexcell would push him out the way and evolve during that attack.
I don't really care for the new bathygigas design, but I think the main thing that makes it not great is how fat the belly is. It completely changes the shape and the proportions, making it look fat and swollen, rather than just curving upwards. I think the combination of the pink parts on the front fins and the bubble back fins makes it look too terrestrial as well, like it's ready to stand on all fours when it gets out of the water.
can't help imagining the game concept with these pokemon starters and the plot around them. With the awesome themes you gave them, I think it would be cool if throughout the journey, your own pokemon were to challenge you with their own ideals. like based on the starter you chose, scripted events would happen to create tension between the two of you. Like, quetzalil throwing itself into danger and being pompous, the water starter not listening to your commands. Throughout the journey you both would need to grow and change together and once you both come together, stronger than ever, your starter evolves into the final form. I think it'd be pretty great and cool narrative to follow
I love the new poses for Quexcell and Quetzillian, they really sell the vibe the pokemon are going for. I also think it's smart how you anthropomorphized Bathygigas, not just making it a whale on a humanoid body, but just giving it some humanoid features. If this was a real game, I'd have a hard time picking between the water and fire starters! Also, I think a cool pokemon you could add to your pokedex would be a Day of the Dead parrot. I think a macaw design would look really cool! You could even make it part of the first gym leaders team. Anyway, I can't wait to see your designs and ideas develop into something amazing!
You did a great job making 3 starters that i like equally. Honestly, if i was playing this game, i wouldnt know which one to choose. Gastronaut is sort of Cthulhu-ey and also a grass type (i love grass types, my pfp is a Shroomish), Bathygigas is big and bulky like Torterra (my favorite starter-again, grass types) and…Quetzillian is good. Im not a huge fan of fire types but jeez that pokemon is magnificent. As it should be. Anyway great job and i cant wait for more Mazah and Apoctober content :>
I think this new Bathygigas is a great improvement of the old design, but for me it still lacks something, perhaps it needs more complexity or a more "powerful" feel to it, I personally prefer the more anthropomorphic designs, but it surely doesn't need to be fully human shaped to be a good starter
Honestly after seeing your redesign of the water starters i think they're my favorites you've done so far. If these were to ever to be used in a game id definitely pick them! Especially since as someone who is neurodivergent i can relate so much to the theme of communication and the lack there of.
I liked Quetzillian's old wings better. And I also liked that it was finally a fire starter that wasn't actually on fire, similar to Blaziken. Not all fire Pokemon have to actually be on fire. Don't get me wrong though, I love what you do! So inspiring!
I think the redesigns of the water starter line were my favorite. The music theme is more obvious now and I like both the headphones on the middle stage and the speaker elements on the last stage.
Quetzillian is one of the coolest fakemon I’ve seen. That pose made it leagues better in my opinion. Fantastic concept for a fire starter and just something I’ve never seen before that really stands out. Bravo
I think the entire line of Porsite might be some of my favorite fakemon I've ever seen. I thought it could do with some more pokemon stylized characteristics, as it still looks a little out of place to me, but nonetheless, I would immediately pick that over any other starter in a heartbeat. It is the perfect amount of seamless and detailed, while also being so freaking cute and seemingly dangerous, but in a gentle giant kind of way. I've never been a huge fan of water type pokemon, but this kind of design would 100% change that for me. Amazing job to you, and thank you for your amazing content!
I really love all of these new redesigns, and I think they look a lot more like real Pokémon now. You have definitely grown, and these pieces are a perfect demonstration of that. I think the only thing I would change is the fire line. I really love the idea of a small, full of itself little creature, turning into a god that thinks everyone is equal, but I don't think that the middle stage reflects that idea very well. It feels like there is no actual transition from its mindset, and rather that the final stage and the middle stage are not related at all in that sense. Really great though, keep it up!
I loved every single change, it's incredible how looks like they belong to a Pokémon game, thanks to consistent design and rendering, keep up the good work!!
I *LOVE* the new pose for porsite!! Rather than just a listless stare, it actually looks like its thinking and studying you carefully. Like its staring deep into your psyche.
Everytime you redo them, I'm like "NOOOO" because I love them so much.
But it's such a glowup. The Fire line looks SO much better, I'd say especially Quexcell. And the Water line translates the music theme through its design much more than before.
I also get what you say about anthropomorphic features too, starters are the Pokémon who are the closest to us... so they should look like us the most.
this is personal preference but I think you need to make sure not to cross the line of anthropomorphic to the point where most of their proportions are human like, I think that's why the gen 8 starters were poorly received and a lot of people found them uncomfortable.
@@bumberquest3031 I definitely agree with this, even if I prefer my pokemon not to have many human qualities at all
@@bumberquest3031 I think rillaboom does it pretty well it's just a gorilla with a drumset
@@bumberquest3031 Yeah. It’s one thing to have a human shaped pokemon that looks like a mythological humanoid creature. It’s another thing to have a Pokémon that could be a person in a suit.
@@bumberquest3031 yeah if a design is TOO human-like you cross into uncanny valley or furry aesthetic depending on the creature its based on. Thats why cinderace and inteleon were so poorly received, they look like people in costumes instead of pokemon.
I still wanna play this Pokemon game, so badly, after a year of progress. You had me hooked from the start, and these redesigns just...keep on igniting that desire again and again!! Keep at the amazing work!
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Is this a game? How is it called?
@@axolotl1777 *what* is it called*
@@senkstudios1626 do you know?
i still wish bathygigas was called orcaestra.
will say i like the new design a lot more, i feel like starters should have the most expressive faces and forelimbs due to being the focus of most of the animations.
quexcell is much better, the pupil makes it much more empathetic.
Hmmm, having said Orch”A”estra out loud, it doesn’t roll of the tongue as well, especially with the design being more based on Sperm Whales than Orcas. I do agree on the new designs though.
Damn, you’re right. Bathygigas is a cool name, but Orcaestra hits different.
@@tompotter8703 I assumed it was pronounced "Orch-ay-stra" which allows for fluidity between syllables. I don't particularly like the name "Bathygigas" personally, because A) Regigas, B) Bathy isn't a term that inspires particular confidence, as if it were named rubber-duckygigas or splashygigas. Idk there's some childish charm there which doesnt quite fit with that stage in the evolution and C) the name Betty (which i find off-putting). Obviously you can contest these points, but those are just my opinions on the name.
@@colmlooney5843 well, for the Regis, each of them is named after what they’re made of, and plenty of Pokemon have rock, ice etc in their names. For me Bathy (often referring to depths) reminds me of bathysphere, a manned deep sea exploratory vessel.
Half the fun of pokemon names is finding out where they came from.
Orcastra
While there were improvements in Bathygigas, I do feel the design is slightly busy and off-balance. I'd recommend trying to render the same design a few more times to see if there's a way to keep the improvements but make the design a little more concise. I look at Quetzillian and I get it, the emotion of the character, but with Bathygigas the point seems muddled behind minor errors. I love the work you do and the art you make is miles ahead of mine, but I think that, knowing what you can do, Bathygigas 2.0 could use a little more work to be as great as the others.
I agree to this. The design is too "heavy" on one side. The original pose with the new features might fix that. Or finding a way to increase the tail's length/weight to make it more equal.
I agree
@@alseanunca681 Definitely the weight - I think keeping the way the body tapers in the original and connecting that bubble dorsal fin to the front bubble would help with balancing it. It kinda looks like if its fins weren't there it'd keel over sideways. It also just looks a bit stubby and like its size could be conveyed better. The concept is a lot more solidified in this iteration though, and the design process is just that - a process.
I was thinking of maybe changing it to an Orca design
It’s just straight conventionally unattractive at this point, not my cup of tea personally.
I really like the updates. However, something about the water last stage bugs me a bit: a trainer doesn't interact with that design. Let me be clear, something that is really appealing about some designs is the fantasy to ride or fight among your Pokemon. Bathygigas feels like it should be left alone instead of being close to its trainer.
Hope this made sense to you.
Great work!!
Yeah, I gotta agree. It looks more like a fan-favourite surf user rather than a water starter- kinda like Lapras.
I dunno, I feel the previous design looked less appealing to ride on, with that random second dorsal fin, and the fact that its huge head would get in the way. Unless what you're saying is that, personality-wise, it seemed more like a "loner" Pokemon? Maybe, but like he said, you _should_ feel like you're bonding with your starter Pokemon more than any other party member.
I definitely agree with this. I feel like it needs to be smaller somehow? like, i know it's a whale but every other starter is more or less human-sized - i think that's an important part of the appeal of a starter pokemon.
Although, i absolutely love the first two designs. Maybe it would be better to go for more of a dolphin than a whale?
Tell me if I'm wrong, but do you mean Bathygigas feels like a wild animal that should be left untouched by humans? Because if so I totally agree.
i kind of agree with you, but at the same time, i can totally imagine a trainer with a bathygigas who's a musician, and they perform concerts on their pokemon's back while it echoes out their music through it's face-speakers
I LOVE Quetzillian's new pose, much more dynamic I think. Gastronaut looks great, like its ready for battle and about to light some mons up with its cannon. Bathygigas... I'll be honest as much as I love this improvement its still not quite to my taste, the fins don't feel like they can bend properly. Honestly I think its just a challenge to design whale mon in general. I think its because we're already primed to think of them as massive, so adding more features onto them overwhelms us, like how we can't properly comprehend the true size of the earth and the sun. Plus their streamlined shape doesn't lend very well to adding on lots of new features, probably why Wailmer and Wailord both keep their designs simple.
I agree, I'm not sold on bathygigas completely. It's cool, but hmm. I feel like he may revisit it again in future anyways, as he has done already several times as we see here haha.
I've been starving for some Mazah region content!! This was a blessing
I like your way of anthropomorphizing your designs, they underline your final evos having human - like traits, without having them look too human. I don't have a gripe with final evos having somewhat human traits and in some of the official ones it works really well, like with Lucario or Mewtwo - I just don't like the ones where they slap on breasts/chests and too human muscles and stuff...
Same. The line for me personally is when a Pokémon takes up something exclusively human, which is way I dislike the Galar starters (Soccer, spying, and very human drums)
Machamp: *Cries in muscles
@@sunstar8782 well, Sorry to say the least, but I literally made the Fire starter of my region look like a Bootleg "Turtle Bazooka" from Kamen Raider, because its a Snake Grenadier.
@@unknowngamer7058 Too be honest, I never really liked Machamp ^^'
@@TheVindicitive :( Buling
Love the rework, but I noticed all three starters are special attackers, and I think Quetzillian is more suited for a physical attacker (while it's pre-evolution could be a mix or more special oriented)
FUN IDEA: You should make Mazah forms of Unova Pokémon since they’d be on the same continent(Unova is based on America for those who don’t know)
It's not based on the whole of America, just the New York Metropolitan Area.
They have Maractus, but more would be fun
I feel like Bathygigas looks a lot more odd now, the fins being so long and straight, and coming straight out of the side of the head right next to the eyes, they look very awkward, as well as the proportions looking a lot more stumpy and short now, I think combining the new ideas and the old design would get the best of both worlds
Yes. keep the speaker bubble and adjust the fin's positions.
Agreed.
I feel like the front fins on Bathygigas are way too close to the head/neck. They feel almost like droopy dog ears than arms. I feel like if you ever want to go back and tweak the art again, moving the front fins back would improve the design!
(And you better be giving us a new guitar pokemon lol)
Keep up the great work tho! I freakin love all the mons you keep tossing at us!
The quetzillian repose is perfect, it keeps the energy and trades a tiny bit of that attitude from the first one into fluid fiery motion through its dancing pose which emphasises its concept and typing perfectly (even as a silhouette)
After absorbing these amazing re-designs, am I the only one obsessed with the idea of the three final evolutions throwing a sick dance party for wild Pokemon? Bathygigas could handle the music with its bubbles, Gastronaut could whip up some sick lighting and decorations with its skills as a visual artist, and Quetzillian could literally burn up the dance floor and give all the other Pokemon inspiration with its feathers. That could make for some awesome fan art.
Yes, you're the only one
@@musahussain5855 speak for yourself! I think Queztillian and Bathygigas pair up perfectly being based on dance and music respectively. Gastronaut not quite as much, but every good venue needs a sick set design.
Haha lol im legit already doing a drawing like this u r a genius
@@griffindettman98 Nice! You should submit it to the Fanart Friday discord!
@@solsticeofsins6039 Maybe I will! Thanks!
came back for the latest renders of the starters. such a perfect and adorable trio.. each appeal to a different archetype, porsite would be my pick always. i would have trouble evolving it 😅 hope bathygigas gets a revisit at some point, you’re linework and rendering has improved so much over the course of a year.
I Love how they look now, and also was cool to see and participate on their redrawings or redesigns on Streaming!
"It's always worth trying something that seems hard to do."
- Jack Burke
This is the reason I started animating. Back then, I tried, and found it WAY too hard, and ended up being burnt out WAY too early. I recently tried to get back into it, and I made two full animations! I'm super happy with how they turned out, and now that I'm getting the hang of it, I want to do more. So yeah, this statement is 100% accurate.
Watching you reassess your designs is one of my favourite parts of your Mazah work! This video in particular is a great showcase of how an artist’s ‘style’ is about more than just medium choice, anatomy, and rendering. Even without significantly altering Gastronaut and Quetzillian’s anatomy or proportions, you’ve made them more compelling and dynamic through pose and expression; it’s really neat to see how it’s possible to work to a house style or brief (such as Pokémon’s silhouette and design traditions) without compromising a design that you’re already happy with.
With Quetzillian especially - what is truer to Pokémon’s legacy than having to condense an ambitious design to ensure that it doesn’t break anything? Well done!
I love how bathygigas went from keeping it's music to itself to sharing it with others through speakers it really personifies the growth of personality
The new Bathygigas is amazing. There was always something that felt a bit off about it to me, and this fixes that. Even if I'm still not sure what exactly it was.
It’s guitar bubble looked like a giant stiffy, I think you’ll find was the problem.
The previous design had way too many unnecessary features if we're being honest. It looked like how a lot of Gen 4 Pokemon just added random stripes, rings, and decals on the designs for no real reason. The final design is simpler, technically speaking, but looks a lot more organized. I especially love how the "speakers" on the front also resemble eyes, which fits really well with the psychic theme, and instantly conveys that this thing makes its bubbles and sonar using psychic waves.
@@bugjams Interesting, I feel the exact upposite. To me the new one is less simple with random stripes and decals, and I think I prefer the old one.
@@joshualuke7003 That's a stretch.
That seems primarily like an issue of you being dirty minded.
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 I'm definitely with hot chip there, the new one has fewer decals, and what it has is less random.
I like the speaker design of Bathygigas however I like the dramatic pose of the original better. Especially since it made him look more confident and happy showing his emotional growth.
I love that design and the others though! Great work.
You know that if you keep changing the starters when your art style is getting better it catches you in an infinite loop.
As a grass starter guy, I’m always anxious but excited when you upload tweaks to the grass starter line, but I’m always thrilled with the results. Also happy to be warming up to the other starters more and more (not to say I didn’t love them from the start; grass is just where it’s at)
I really like the changes for Bathygigas, the speaker has more "oomph" to it and the pose is a lot more interesting.
I gotta say, I love the reworks. Especially Bathygigas! It went from weird to adorable. The speaker bubble really makes it feel like it wants to share it's music with you.
However I am going to miss the metal plate look of Quetzillian's wings. I thought that gave it more of a Mayan statuesque look. Still love him overall though.
Finally!! I’ve been missing this Mazah content so much!! Genuinely my favorite fakemon series
I wonder if any of the prompt pokemon will evolve into each other? I personally hope so as the dex seems 1 stage heavy but I love it all the same! Maybe the ghost type will finally be the much anticipated aztec warrior hummingbird design😊
With Bathygigas, i like the speaker idea, but the front fins dont look right...
Keep up the great work!
I am super excited to see the changes I have seen some of the stream but I wanted it to be a surprise too! Happy Spooky season everyone!
I definitely liked the guitar bubble design and though it was really cool, but damn the speaker makes so much more sense and new design overall just looks better!
Love these redesign videos, it’s really a strong still to look at something your proud of and say “I know I can make that better”, even if it seems impossible at first! Keep up the good work!!!
I would love to see some Alebrijes, they are these mix between two animals with antrhopomorphic features, a cat/panther with wings seems to be pretty popular, they are spirit guides that are strongly connected to nature and they are often made as these very colorful sculptures which were first made by a Guy that had this very surreal fever dream.
My idea was a winged coloful panther that would act as Lupacabra's "rival" in terms of strength and maybe have a cat and dog relationship.
I hope they make a fairy type hummingbird Pokémon
@@anjealousanaconda9692 you're in luck
I love these new designs so much!! everything I didn't like about the previous ones was fixed with these and I honestly don't have anything that I don't like about these. perfect is a word that's of course difficult to use around art but I'd argue these are pretty damn close!
I think I agree with some people about Bathygigas losing its guitar motif, especially after the amazing Gmax form, but I understand you're going for Beluga. If it was an Orca, the fin would contribute greatly to the guitar shape.
If I could just add one more constructive piece of criticism, though, it would be nice if Quetzillian stayed a winged serpent. Adding legs turns him into yet another flame bird. We already have Moltres, Blaziken, Flametalon, Ho-Oh, Oricorio, but we don't have any flame serpents. I think you would still be able to to keep the bold pose, minus the legs, by creating a thicker trunk that wraps around in the same fashion as the tail.
I guess once you put arm-wings on something it technically becomes a bird, lol, but a longer trunk still feels more in line with Quetzalcoatl inspiration/dragon typing.
i love watching these redesigns! it's fascinating how your art style and skill evolves
For Bathygigas: I think the front fins look off, their placement makes it hard to imagine how this pokemon would move around in water, they look awkward and restraining and don't really hit that anthropomorphism you were aiming for.
Maybe you should switch the fins, make the hind fins be physical and the front fins made out of bubbles, that way it could extend and shape those whatever way it wants, maybe having a more arm like appearance on land while turning into fins while in water.
(You could even give them a hidden ability where when Bathygigas is on water terrain it gets a speed boost)
Considering Gastronaut's dex entry, imagine an ancient Mazah game, where some form of Gastronaut were water type.
Pokemon Legends Maza game?
@@vivalaglavii6736 yes
New Bathygigas is a vast improvement. I could do without the rear bubble-fins personally, but the speaker front works a lot better than the wonky guitar-bubbles
I like the rear bubble fins! It's sort of like a transition from a bubble on the tail to a more useful bubble, sort of suggesting that the pokemon has fully understood its abilities and developed. Idk, I like it haha, plus actual aquatic animals have rear fins like that and it's also like little legs to help anthropomorphise it a bit more too. Generally the silhouette is just more interesting with it
I love how you constantly redesign them, it's so realistic to actual concept designing. It's never finished, it's a constant process!
I like how the new Bathygigas' speaker motif also ties into the concept of it becoming enlightened and opening up its' "third eye".
Really strong designs overall, I can definitely imagine these in movement, and even interacting with other pokemon!
I often think Pokemon are smaller in-game than they should be
So I like the idea of a starter Pokemon being that big
Baby, new starter designs just dropped, and they're incredible!! ❤️❤️
I liked the change in Gastronaut's pose, it helps share the ideia that it has it's heroic personality it received through it's evolutions
I've suggested this consistently and I'm still gonna. A ghost fighting type named Olkicks or olkix that is a reference to the Aztec sport that was essentially a ritualistic mix of a proto-soccer and proto-basketball which was sometimes used to determine whether war captives would be sacrificed.
Your rendering style is fantastic! I do really like the changes to the water line. Porsite is the cutest thing I've ever seen and while I kind of wanted the entire line to stay as round, vacant beach balls, the new deign of Bathygigas really works. The original felt very much like a whale with stylised water around it, while this version really captures that unique blend of themes Pokemon does best
The new texture on the cone around Quetzalil’s neck adds a ton!! Great work as always!!
I actually didn’t enjoy the final water design you originally created very much because it looked incredibly odd to me but I absolutely adore the redesign, if this were a real Pokémon game they’d be my starter.
WOW They Look AMAZING
I love your designs but I think you could really tell more about the Pokémon with their abilities. A lot of Pokémon strengths are from their abilities and more creative picks would be cool. For gastronaught I would have picked weak armor because of its strong defensive stat, allowing it to exchange that for speed. For Quetzillian could have levitate which makes sense because of its wings but also makes it a possible better alternative to Hydreigon, making it immune to its main weakness. Finally, I would give Bathygigas liquid voice which would go along great with its sound based design and making it a super strong, sound based pokemon. This is just a recommendation but I think you can really tell a lot about a pokemon by its ability and It would help people understand them better.
I agree that Quexcell's original round wings didn't do much for its silhouette, but I think they actually really work with the original Quetzillian render... The 'mon has quite a bit of eye-catching parts to it - a long and flaming tail, swooping feathers in very bold complementary colours, large headdress, swirled pauldrons.. The straight edges of the original wings also harmonized really nicely with the upper part of the headdress, and emphasized the broadness of the wings in a way that distinguished them from the rest of the design. But all in all, Quetzillian is still a wicked good design, definitely one of my favourites from this region
Yes exactly what i said
Your work is astoundingly thoughtful and teaches me new insight!
To me, Bathygigas looks overdesigned to the extent of resembling the Hoenn Legendaries. Maybe choosing between the headphones and speakers symbolism would help clarify the theme without being over-the-top?
Great work as always, these starters are incredible! However, I think you forgot about their G-Max forms which should be updated to go along with their updated designs, especially Bathygigas
Someone needs to make a rom hack with these designs in it.
Partialy because of you I finaly had the courage to start making my own Pokemon region based on the Netherlands, the size of such a project initialy scared me, but your Mazah series helped a lot! Thank you!
I love seeing how you progress your way of imitating the Pokémon style, while maintaining your own in an excellent mix. It's no news that everything you do always has so much quality, respect for that Jack! 👊
Hi, I honestly am in love with these designs and am excited by the possibility of this region become a full fledged game, however I want to talk about stats today. All of your starter Pokémon are special attackers which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but I think it would be more balanced it quetzillian was a physical attacker, being also based off a dancer could also relate it to being a warrior as the mayan warriors would also preform dances. So yeah, I believe that would be pretty neeto
beautiful
I really liked the guitar element in Bathygigas' design, although I also liked the speaker one you gave it
Only bad thing about quetzillian: Fire/Dragon is incredibly OP, as fire resists Dragon's 3 weaknesses. But that's just nitpicking, I love the glow-ups!
bro watching your designs of Pokemon are so amazing it makes me want to create my own but I don't know how honestly you gave me the passion to draw now
So hyped for this mouths content 🙌
I love Porsite's redesign and redesigned evolution line they looks great 💙
I have a feeling this wasn't the last Bathygigas redesign...I much prefer the old head shape and the way the bubble looked.
Been waiting for Bathygigas to get to a point where I'd run a Bathygigas team. Knew it was coming. You knocked this out of the park.
Best art channel on TH-cam
I absolutely love the changes made to Bathygigas. The change to its bubbles as headphones and a speaker fits so perfectly with the mid evolution's headphones. Basically going from using them to block out others and instead flipping them around to share its music with the world. Love it!
Tbh i LOVE the water starter since i love cetaceous and i cant live without music so even tho it could be hard i would like to train and raise a bathygigas
Man I really liked the old final water starter evolution wish you could keep it it looked really good
Hell yeah another Starter video. Healthy revisions are good for the creative process, and keeping the oldest things to a newer standard is good. Looking forward to apoctober.
Love these videos, keep it up 🙌🏼
I think you did great with the redesigns, I'd love to see a sit down review of the pokedex when its over with some poketubers to get their impressions.
I don't understand how you can constantly improve so much. When I see the original designs I think they are a perfect fit, and then... you just make them more perfect. It must suck as an artist to put a project down/be satisfied with past work when you have probably outgrown it soon after you are done. That's what I have heard some people into art say, and seeing you redesign I think I get a decent sense of that lol.
The designs are great! You might want to have someone look at the stats for balancing tho haha these pokemon are ridiculously strong
Loved being able to catch these on stream!
i loved the changes you made! I do think bathygigas looks a bit derpy now though. Something about that original pose and the stripes down the side made it flow really nicely. The shape of its head and mouth were a lot more whale-like and appealing imo. That being said, the speaker idea is interesting!
Ash would definitely have a quexcell and it would jump into a big attack and ash would do that thing where he stands in front of it then quexcell would push him out the way and evolve during that attack.
I don't really care for the new bathygigas design, but I think the main thing that makes it not great is how fat the belly is. It completely changes the shape and the proportions, making it look fat and swollen, rather than just curving upwards. I think the combination of the pink parts on the front fins and the bubble back fins makes it look too terrestrial as well, like it's ready to stand on all fours when it gets out of the water.
The new art looks very appealing!
can't help imagining the game concept with these pokemon starters and the plot around them. With the awesome themes you gave them, I think it would be cool if throughout the journey, your own pokemon were to challenge you with their own ideals. like based on the starter you chose, scripted events would happen to create tension between the two of you. Like, quetzalil throwing itself into danger and being pompous, the water starter not listening to your commands. Throughout the journey you both would need to grow and change together and once you both come together, stronger than ever, your starter evolves into the final form. I think it'd be pretty great and cool narrative to follow
This was a GREAT video. Absolutely loved the process and the results!
I love the new poses for Quexcell and Quetzillian, they really sell the vibe the pokemon are going for. I also think it's smart how you anthropomorphized Bathygigas, not just making it a whale on a humanoid body, but just giving it some humanoid features. If this was a real game, I'd have a hard time picking between the water and fire starters!
Also, I think a cool pokemon you could add to your pokedex would be a Day of the Dead parrot. I think a macaw design would look really cool! You could even make it part of the first gym leaders team.
Anyway, I can't wait to see your designs and ideas develop into something amazing!
I'd love to play through this region and you guys were a major inspiration for crafting some of my own fakemon!
It is fantastic to see you growing and improving your art skills.
Great work!
You did a great job making 3 starters that i like equally. Honestly, if i was playing this game, i wouldnt know which one to choose. Gastronaut is sort of Cthulhu-ey and also a grass type (i love grass types, my pfp is a Shroomish), Bathygigas is big and bulky like Torterra (my favorite starter-again, grass types) and…Quetzillian is good. Im not a huge fan of fire types but jeez that pokemon is magnificent. As it should be. Anyway great job and i cant wait for more Mazah and Apoctober content :>
I think this new Bathygigas is a great improvement of the old design, but for me it still lacks something, perhaps it needs more complexity or a more "powerful" feel to it, I personally prefer the more anthropomorphic designs, but it surely doesn't need to be fully human shaped to be a good starter
Honestly after seeing your redesign of the water starters i think they're my favorites you've done so far. If these were to ever to be used in a game id definitely pick them! Especially since as someone who is neurodivergent i can relate so much to the theme of communication and the lack there of.
“We’re back”
Sweet
I liked Quetzillian's old wings better. And I also liked that it was finally a fire starter that wasn't actually on fire, similar to Blaziken. Not all fire Pokemon have to actually be on fire.
Don't get me wrong though, I love what you do! So inspiring!
Hot take. This new one is miles better than the older design
My favorite artist on the site! Love your work!
I think the redesigns of the water starter line were my favorite. The music theme is more obvious now and I like both the headphones on the middle stage and the speaker elements on the last stage.
bathygigas’ arms now look awk, but i like the speaker idea
Love the redesign of Bathigigas. The speaker idea is so cool. Everything looked so good
Great video as always!
Quetzillian is one of the coolest fakemon I’ve seen. That pose made it leagues better in my opinion. Fantastic concept for a fire starter and just something I’ve never seen before that really stands out. Bravo
i liked the pink exclamation mark on cettoekko. the way it is now, i wouldnt even think the exclamation mark was intentional if i hadnt been told.
I think the entire line of Porsite might be some of my favorite fakemon I've ever seen. I thought it could do with some more pokemon stylized characteristics, as it still looks a little out of place to me, but nonetheless, I would immediately pick that over any other starter in a heartbeat. It is the perfect amount of seamless and detailed, while also being so freaking cute and seemingly dangerous, but in a gentle giant kind of way. I've never been a huge fan of water type pokemon, but this kind of design would 100% change that for me. Amazing job to you, and thank you for your amazing content!
If this was a real generation, it would be the first one since gen 4 where I adore all the starter lines
In my opinion Gastronaut's legs look a little bare, maybe you could coat them in mud to make it look like their wearing boots or something
I really love all of these new redesigns, and I think they look a lot more like real Pokémon now. You have definitely grown, and these pieces are a perfect demonstration of that. I think the only thing I would change is the fire line. I really love the idea of a small, full of itself little creature, turning into a god that thinks everyone is equal, but I don't think that the middle stage reflects that idea very well. It feels like there is no actual transition from its mindset, and rather that the final stage and the middle stage are not related at all in that sense. Really great though, keep it up!
I loved every single change, it's incredible how looks like they belong to a Pokémon game, thanks to consistent design and rendering, keep up the good work!!
I *LOVE* the new pose for porsite!! Rather than just a listless stare, it actually looks like its thinking and studying you carefully. Like its staring deep into your psyche.
The Poarsite and Quetzalil lines are all so cool! I think all of the new artwork is much more better than the original redesign.