Shimano ALDEBARAN BFS VS Daiwa ALPHAS AIR TW.... CAST BATTLE AT LAST!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.พ. 2022
- Better late than never, the 2 titans of the BFS world go head to head in a measured cast battle where the measuring wheel does not lie!
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Im disappointed I didnt get more butt triggered comments to have fun with :(
How much free stuff are you getting from Shimano?
@@mightyarmoryprecision 😂
Glad you had a fairly positive experience with the ARK reels. I like their Reinforcer rods. Have 9 of them.
Thank you for doing this!!
Not surprised.
I own and use them both quite a bit.
In my exp the alpha air has a whole different rod action preference. Performing better with ul fast action trout bait casting rods. Further it does not respond well to an all out heave cast. Controlled smooth motion shorter casts with 2 (gram and less) baits is where it shines. I keep it on the Kuying teton ttc-510 and for bass the 6foot version (602l )light action which is still more of a jdm trout style bc. On more moderate ul to light/ml bfs rods it has this weird random dig in with flouro..like it dont really blow up it blows in...lol you will get loops that go deep into the spool. Causes me to run more brake than i would otherwise.
Ive said before the 16 alderbaran is just a more versatile reel. Put it on a finetail b542ul and go trout fishing then mount it on the 7 foot old 18 ul supressor and fish 2.5 inch tubes and small ned rigs for smallies. The reel just performs consistently regardless.
The alpha does not do as well on the 7ft reg action rod. The Aldebaran does fine on the trout rods. giving up only a few feet and some accuracy that u can compensate your cast for really.
Appreciate the time you put in as always.
FYI the alpha air did really well on those Tarantula rods from bait finesse empire. unfortunately the handles were kinda suspect otherwise id recommend em especially for the alpha air tw. I was casting donkey tail jrs on a 32nd head and detecting bottom contact crappies.
Yup.. I found this out way back when in my shootout videos.. the alphas definitely takes the cake with 1g but everything else can match or beat it around 1.5g and up.. even the purple pw100 with 2g.. the revo ALC-BF7 was king with 2g in my testing back then
You the one that pave the way for these newbie.. Salute to you bass&bonsai
@@jimt5683 thanks
I am very curious as to why his Aldebaran casts the tiny 1.7G lure 12.6 feet further than your Aldebaran with the same lure. Your Aldebaran casts the same distance as your Lingl which casts exactly the same distance as my Lingl (60 feet). Your cast distances and mine are the same. What is the magic that his Aldebaran is so much better than yours and better than my Lingl or DWU or BK2? I guess maybe you and I just can't cast as well as he does....
@@jayludvigh6958 I'm guessing the 6lb line and 6'5' rod help get the distance like my Teton 6'6" does.. I can try the Shimano on my Teton with the 6lb suffix 832 braid and see if I can get more distance.. it's like I'm seeing in my testing that a longer heavier rod helps heavier spools in casting lighter Baits..
I just need to figure out why the crazy light chameleon spools don't blow away the stock spools in the Shimanos..
I honestly think I can beat all bfs spools with the sv boost with 4g and up baits.. need to do that test again...
@@jayludvigh6958 could be reel setup.
yes finally the ultimate test and with braid 0.2pe even thanks for doing it , i know it takes quite time to preparation , perfect conditions and lots of editing. Cheers !
Judging from previous tests i guessed aldebaran would lead with 2.5-3gr lures but didnt think the difference would be so evident.
only thing caught my attention in the test was im actually going lower on brakes like 4 on 2-3 gr lures on alphas air but to be fair im not focusing for distance casting and i use 0.3pe : whipping the rod in these break settings would probably cause immediate digging and would not be a practical test in the field.The settings should be as much as practical and convenient to be fishing
Regarding braid ; how do you find braid casting compared to your routine 4lb mono ( i mean in general convenience not strictly in numbers ) , is it more problematic as you mentioned with braid digging and line breaking ( watching towards the end of the video i assume it is , i dont have much experience on mono so cant compare by myself i always use braid for saltwater ajing/mebaru and jigging and yes there are times when a simple mistake or lowering brakes too much causing digging issue and its a nightmare in saltwater which you have to tie up a leader on 0.3pe all over again )
Apart form that do you think braid gives any substantial increase of distance ?
Thank you.
im going to be doing a braid vs mono bfs test.
@@THEREELTEST yes that would be great , my guess is thin braid would give ease of casting ultralight weights like trout magnet but due to risks of digging require much experience
On the other hand mono or fc would probably give better distance with heavier lures like 3-5 gr range ( despite the advantage of diameter of braid I believe on monos advantage in distance cause Japanese staff do their casting distance videos on mono all the time )
@@InfinityFishing I just got the BFS Curado and Didn't realize you are not supposed to spool it with mono, glad I read the directions cause I intended on using mono at first, only fluoro and braid... is that a similar thing with all BFS shallow spools?
@@mrpickles2170 if you only have mono, you will be ok
I like this format way more
Iva had both and traded my alphas air for another aldebaran their was in 2020. Had the alphas for about a week maybe 2 tried it on 4 rods side by side against the aldebaran. I came to the same conclusion, hope the 2022 aldebaran is as good.
A follow up on the crappie max cast reel!
So I got the Crappie Max Cast reel from BPS while I waited for BFS Curado... Took some dialing to get it going, I put to much line on the spool(9lb braid to 6 lb fluoro)...I got to say it's respectable and comparable, so far on casting a 1/8 sausage jig and a bobby garland plastic . I will be going down on weight later when weather clears up to see how well it can keep up with the Curado. It's durability etc has yet to be seen! I predict anything to much lighter will suffer range more so then the BFS Curado! not a lot of budget options here in the USA, so I will keep using it along side the BFS Curado and keep some of yall posted!!
after I did my last video on the Casitas BFS replica I was going to buy a Crappie Max BC but they went up to like $50! might have to wait on a sale
@thereeltest I love Shimano bait casting reels. I have many JDM Shimano reels like Calcutta Conquest, Antares, Metanium, old Scorpion, and USDM Curado too. But today I prefer the Daiwa break system. The Daiwa SV spool + MagForce Z is amazing. The question is not about the distance, but about the casting control. The magnetic field from Magforce is active all the time, even zero position on the external dial. For this reason the Daiwa's spool spins a little bit less.
Please, cast against the wind to know who will perform better... Or, do the vertical cast (to the sky direction) with no thumb to stop the spool. Let the spool stops by itself. I'm looking for this kind of casting control and I found it on the Daiwa SV + MagForce Z.
I have a 2004 Daiwa Alphas 103L with Magforce V. It works like a charm!
For "heavier" weights (3-4g) would you suggest adding the additional magnet to the Aldebaran BFS?
watch this video th-cam.com/video/XCgc1QO16PE/w-d-xo.html I compare using only 6 magnets vs using all 8
maybe you can help me out. i habe the aldebaran bfs 16... and im inlove with it. i had the new aldebaran pre ordered but cancelled it because well.... it look like a damn gh100 lol. i think im going to hold off for some hands on reviews. question is, should i get a gekkabijin or conquest in the meantime?. im mainly casting 3g and under. or should i just keep using my aldebaran because neither of those compare. i can cast 1g with my stock aldebaran in a river setting (no real distance). but i got into saltwster bfs fishing last year so a bit of extra distance wont hurt.
well, the numbers for the Gekkabijin were way lower than even the Alphas, even using braid. But I didnt cast all the reels on the same day so I didnt include the numbers. My 22 Aldebaran will be here tommorrow and Ill be releasing the unboxing and analysis vid tuesday morning
Great account of these, too reels! It was enjoyable to see the cold, hard facts in an epic cast battle. I own all of the reels that were featured in this video, and I agree with your results completely. I will say, however, the Alphas and the Gekkabijin do have an advantage on the trout stream, in my opinion. The Daiwa reels both cast with a much lower trajectory and more easily when making short to medium range casts. The lighter lures under 1/16 oz like the trout magnet, and others are cast easier by the Daiwa reels. I find the Aldebaran and LTX BF8 to be harder to fish in these settings based on the higher flight trajectory and the more energy needed to cast them. On open water, like at the lake or pond fishing for bass, the Aldebaran is my choice every time. I prefer the feel and build quality of the Aldebaran as well. It's obviously just my opinion in that area. If I'm using the Avail after-market spool in the Aldebaran, my opinion changes, and I will take this reel every time in all applications. As always, thanks for the great info, and we'll put together videos!!
if you want true low trajectory, go centrifugal.
@THE REEL TEST I agree completely. My older Aldebarans and Tailwalk Bf have centrifugal brakes, and they are flat casting. I just don't like the fickle nature of the brakes in the wind. The Tailwalk has very little adjustment capabilities, and the older Aldebarans get line caught inside the frame with light line. I wish I had reel with those brakes on a better platform.
@@arcuriotv6894 my Aldebaran 50 with Yumeya BFS spool beat Revo LTX, SS AIR, Aldebaran BFS in cast test and I can go pretty low on the brakes. Im going to do a whole video on why Shimano needs to go back to centrifugal braking for BFS
Well thats an interesting video topic. I will be looking forward to that upcoming video. Once again i agree and maybe Shimano will take note and make some changes. Keep up the good work and its been entertaining reading all these comments from the video. Im shocked at how upset people get over these videos. Its quite funny!!
Yup, I owned them (reel) both, but I have 3 aldebaran bfs, but only have 1 alphas air tw, this shows that I prefer the aldebaran bfs more, the Shimano break system is much more superior in my opinion
Is the Aldebaran with the stock spool or a Aveil aftermarket? If stock spool, how do you think it would have done with the avail spool? Better or worse? Thank you
stock spool of course. Ive never fished the Avail spool with anything over 2.5 grams. I think messing with the extra magnets is the key to getting the most out of it
@@THEREELTEST Thanks.
Will you get your hands on the new Expride series?
not anytime soon, I still have the Adrena, Zodias, and Googan Gold rod that need reviewing and vids done
Do you have a video on how you made your T3?
Would the doyo liger 30 you have stand a chance in these class reels?
we will see when I do the BFS Olympics vid
I own both, as well as the 17 Conquest BFS. I prefer the Alphas for ease of use, and I too throw trout magnets, weighted flies etc, in the local streams. Distance isn’t nearly as important as accuracy for me. The Alphas just feels better to me, in hand, and I’m more confident with it. However, I use the Conquest BFS over all of them. I know same brakes and everything as the Aldebaran, just housed differently. It comes down to feel again. I don’t backlash nearly as much with it vs the Aldebaran. I also use the conquest and the Alphas in the LA Harbor back bay. Both hold up well.
As for distance, the Daiwa brake rotor is what kills their casting distance. It’s unsprung weight in particular. It takes more effort to move.
Shimano reducing the spool diameter will definitely smoke the Alphas when it comes to casting 1g lures. However, I think it will ultimately have the same fate as the Alphas with heavier lures. While initial spool startup helps the lighter lure cast, higher RPM’s will ultimately hinder anything over a greater distance, when heavier lures actually help keep the spool spinning. It takes more spin to go the same distance.
On another note, I’m building a 1976 Abu 2500C for BFS, it would be cool to see a comparison of something that old school vs what’s out today.
have you seen that retro round reel on Aliexpress called the W300?
I bought some of that Hercules braid and was fairly disappointed in the consistency, I guess I got what I paid for. It seemed like the the line went from flat to cylindrical throughout the spool giving it a wavy appearance.
yep, when I do the BFS Olympics its going to be mono because I cant afford to have any breakoffs doing that video
I've ordered my 22 Alde from Plat and I hope it's here soon.
If you are right handed they arent coming out until the end of April I think
I don't have Aldebaran but I do have both Alphas and Gekkabijin and I can tell you, Gekka casts 2-3m more than Alphas with braid. Also, I don't understand how you cast on 6-7 brake on Alphas, because I cast 3.5g with brakes on 5 and even 4 (depending on wind or lure) and I got into casting 6 or 7 months ago so I'm not that good at it yet. Looking forward for your next video 😊
The Gekkabijin got waxed by the other 2, so Im going to retest it.
Use varivas braid if you dont want it cut :), Thanks for great clip.
I agree to be more specific varivas light super pe 4x braid, seaguar x4 lure edition and gosen hard type 4x are the most Casting friendly braids i have ever used
Im not spending that much money on line just for a field battle.
I haven’t seen this review yet. Bet you he chooses the Shimano over the Daiwa. Wonder how much they pay him. Same winner all the time. Shimano.
You must hate the truth
@@THEREELTEST You always favor Shimano. I have a few shims. Very nice but Daiwa has surpassed them. All you do are distance casts and blow up Shimano. My Daiwa out cast my Shimano consistently and with less effort. The T Wing is so much better than all other reels, there’s no play in the crank shafts and the breaks are the best in the industry. One day you’ll get out on a boat, fish tourneys and stop blowing Shimano.
They’ve been beaten..
@@mightyarmoryprecision nah you're wrong drag clicker test i think the winner is daiwa he said that clearly..so the statement about shimano always win is wrong
@@Amiami-oy6pt naive much?
My question is which one of them can flip and pitch a 1g lure?
lol... neither! In fact, Shimano and Daiwa dont even have BFS rods that will cast 1 gram but they are advertising 1 gram BFS reels... so stupid
Maybe try a shock leader with braid? Or wet it.
I just want to go fishing with this gentleman.
this is only man that fishing on the field
and getting paid nicely from TH-cam to do it lol
These results are interesting. I have found that in real world fishing scenarios the alphas out performs my aldebaran at everything under 5 grams. I wonder if it has to do with casting style. I’m a true shimano fanboy so I won’t be trading out my Metaniums for zillions anytime soon but personally I have to give the win to daiwa in the bfs category…. For now……
Eh.. I would take the SS Air over the Alphas in real fishing. Ive had my Aldebaran and SS Air out together trout fishing and the Aldebaran is better at pretty much everything.
How do you spell that mystery reel’s brand name?
Its a Daiwa Gekkabijin Air TW PE Special
Where does the Curado sit in these comparisons ?
you will see when I do the BFS Olympics
Who better??
Someone asking me to trade my Mg7 with his brand new Alphas Air TW, You think it is worth?
Aldebaran MG7? You will be giving up an all time great reel for a reel that isnt even the best at anything anymore... but its your decision. Shimanos always have much better resale value and sell much quicker than Daiwas.
I would love to see your casting style.
Watch the shadows
@@Tallnerdyguy Thanks, looks like he puts a lot of arms into it, but I cannot tell much about the back cast.
look at my Curado BFS casting video
any chance we could have tatula 300 v curado 300
not unless someone sends a Tatula 300
Please send those now orphaned Diawas to me. I promise to fish them right next to my Shimanos, no judgment
Braid does that sometimes in my experience
I know braid can dig in but snap off on such light lures?
@@THEREELTEST I had that line snapping issue when using 0.4 PE braid. I think because of the no stretch it breaks easier. I changed to 0.6 PE and now less line dig in issues and doesn’t snap when it does. Usually cast 5g sinking minnows.
Without having seen it I guess, I know which one is going to win ;)
Not the Daiwa!
@@TheKingzfan as always lol
@@arnemueller2112 Ill add 2 more to the butt triggered comment count lol
Just as objective as the zillion review I bet..🤣🤣🤣
yep, the Metanium smokes the Zillion backed up with visual evidence just like the Aldebaran smokes the Alphas :)
@@THEREELTEST clown 🤡
16 Aldebaran BFS: I'm the best
New Aldebaran: you GoT a PuRdy mOuth
cant make assumptions until the new one gets tested
i dont know how this 'who cast further' review help anglers..maybe somebody need to start studying about spool,gear and body material when comparing reels..casting in windy condition..i means the full system and specs for reels..not who cast further..and i dont know why this guy keep shimano on throne and always beat other brands like abu and daiwa😅
seeing as I have over 10 million views, it seems to help alot of people fanboy :)
My thoughts exactly I think thats the difference between fisherman and trolls🤣🤣
Shimano and Daiwa rivaly has always been like nike/reebok, galaxy/i-phones, sativa/indica. Im 43 and as a lifelong shimano Stan I must say I'm happy with the results of this test. Like Samsung shimano makes actual upgrades to everything. I-phones and Daiwa focus on one thing and excell at it like a camera or small spool but don't really change much else
They're like Toyota and Nissan to me. Pure preference. Both have highs and both have lows. Just use both and it is easy to be a fan of each brand simultaneously.
@@logicalrationalfishing748130 yrs ago when I was a teen maybe but now its not even close when u compare selection and value for price. DAIWA is a great brand and has great products.. but like an i PHONE u r paying more for the name then the product is worth nowadays.
its not about upgrading only..both company have their advantages and disadvantages based on our setup and environment..if you only look for which one cast further like this review then just buy any reel that matches with ur eyes..not their performance.
Daiwa is too prideful to have any meaningful tech advances in baitcasters. Almost all of their "tech" is fluff. Looks cool on paper, but provide little benefit in the reel world. They need to swallow their pride and develop a centrifugal braking system.
@@THEREELTEST I would say SV appeals to a ton of people though. Allowed my wife to learn a casting reel then back off brakes and get distance. I understand centrifugal brakes cast further, but Daiwa does appeal. Magseal might not be a godsend, but it is pretty cool technology. I just am a fan of both. What is Shimano's biggest tech?
''Mighty'' should be given to LTX BF8 not Aldebaran😂🤣
until you go fishing and have constant backlashes with the Revo if someone farts 2 miles away
SHIMANO is King
I sent kdw a message for a domed chrome dial consideration.
Kakedzuka?
@@THEREELTEST yes.
@@bfsjunkie6115 I wonder how he is going to get the numbers on there?
@@THEREELTEST laser engraved probably. Something will be thought of. Just waiting on the release for more information. I love my shimanos but wanted to try a few daiwas as well. That ftb 2.0 with mgl spool should be something else.
I bought beer and popcorn. For the comments, not for the video. LOL let the fanboys hit the floooor!
Ive been shutting down and destroying fanboys and shills who come to my comment section since my 1st video. It seems like they learned their lessons and stick with the message boards where you can say anything and not have to back it up with evidence.
@@THEREELTEST they do take it too personally. Alphas is a cracking reel though. I do perch canal fishing in the uk where you need that precision and low cast. Often I use 1-3g small weights with a small plastic. Alphas might be more suitable for this type of fishing. I went fishing with a friend who owns the alphas and I was curious to how it feels in fishing as I wanted to buy one for the lower weight of my fishing. It does feel nice and it casts precisely but I felt it a bit over braked. Probably I got used with my aldebaran that makes faster casts. So I bought another alde spool. Now with the aldebaran I find it a bit more difficult to cast 2g than the alphas, but I like the ftb feeling in the second part of the cast more. So I do think it's more to do with preference than which one is the best. However I will buy a reel for the lower weights of my fishing but I'm waiting for your alphas vs gekka video + the new alde to make a decision.
@@OVSpr I find that the rod plays way more into the short distance casting than the reel. The Alphas is a great BFS reel no matter if it lost in this battle or not, but fan boys seem to have their entire self esteem tied to other peoples opinions of their brand of reel, and I love breaking down fools like that with cold hard evidence lol. Im not sure when I can get to the Alphas vs Gekkabijjin but I can tell you that the Gekkabijjin numbers were not impressive at all.
You can stop watching the video after guy says 6-7 brakes on alphas omegalul
Alderbaran lost because the over braking curve
if you say so kid
tkasij
Not surprising results at all. I have tested both reels with several rods and lure weights. Only at 1 gram the Air is slightly better. At 3 grams and up the Air sucks pretty much (even compared to Aliexpress BFS). It is not meant for distance casts due to the tiny spool, I think. Nothing beat the Aldebaran 2016 at 2-6 grams for distance. I also doubt the 2022 version will be better than the 2016 version due to the smaller spool.
Just wait and see the 22 destroy the 16 and everyone will hog that reel out of market.
Straight up Shimano fanboy admit already
Butt triggered 🤣🤣😆😆