How to thicken surfactants with salt: Make shampoo or body wash
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- Ever wondered how salt thickens a shampoo or body wash? Watch this video, where Belinda Carli, Director of the Institute of Personal Care Science shows you how and why it works, and when it will work for you! Learn how to make thicken surfactants with salts.
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Really nice explanation of the practical aspects and the actual chemistry going on.
Glad it was helpful :)
I've learned an uncountable knowledges from all of you. Thanks.
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Wow - very well and easy to follow explained! Thank you! :-)
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Very clear and knowledgeable. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you - happy formulating!
Hello Ms, does Salt thicken a solution with the combination of CDEA and LABSA
Excellent presentation 💯
Thank you for watching!
Thanks so much. I've learned a lot from you.
Glad to help! :)
Thank you so much for sharing this informative video.
Thank you.
I used sodium cocoyl methyl taurates.. And capbetaine.. No reaction with salt? How can i thicken the system
Very informative.Thanks.I hv subscribed your channel
Thanks and welcome! :)
Thanks for the great video, can I add salt in a fabric softener formulations as thickening, although I use cationic surfactant
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I fallowed it. It is excellent. I also understood not to over salt the formulations. Thanks - Ananth Chennai
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Thank you so much you make this clear
You're very welcome!
thanks for this video. i would like to ask you what is super fitting agent ?
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Informative video.
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Great video! For industrial batches, it is not accepted the product to foam during manufacturing. It will lead to time wasting, a very expensive resource.
In larger batches it is much easier to avoid breaking the surface/sucking in air, so its not an issue. Its always an issue in a lab size sample because its so small its hard not to break the surface/introduce air.
Thank you so much for this video! I do have a question since i did not see my surfactants on this list.
Are caprylyl glucoside and plantapon both salt responsive? I have not seen much about them on the internet.
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I use caprylyl capryl glucoside too and I tested espom salt on it at .5% of total formulation. The glucoside was 40% of the total formulation and it did thicken it. Much better than a gum too.
Magistral explanation, thank you very much. Just one question. Can I add salt from a preconcentrated solution and get the same effect?
Thanks for watching! I’m not sure if I understand your question; if you are asking can you add salt in a diluted/dissolved form - I would not recommend it, as it could be adding a lot of extra water at the end of the formula and destabilise your product. Learn how to formulate surfactant/foaming products effectively with our various courses. For hair: Certificate in Advanced Hair Formulation: personalcarescience.com.au/CosmeticScience/CertificateinAdvancedHairFormulations-2134/ for skin, Certificate in Advanced Cosmetic Science: personalcarescience.com.au/CosmeticScience/CertificateinAdvancedCosmeticScience-478/ or for the most comprehensive approach to both, including the Qualification “Cosmetic Chemist” study our Diploma of Personal Care Formulation: personalcarescience.com.au/CosmeticScience/DiplomaofPersonalCareFormulation-479/
Love this. Thank you.
You are so welcome!
thank you so mucho for this!!!
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nice video as usual Blinda:) i would like to ask you how much should we ad sodium cocoyl glautamate per one liter of hair shampoo as the supplier stated that the active matter of the material is 31.5% i want to use it as a primary surfactant with betain ,COCOAMIDOPROPYLAMINE OXIDE
,ZINC COCETH SULFATE, POTASSIUM OLIVATE HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, MYRISTYL LACTATE, COCAMIDOPROPYL BETAINE
, POTASSIUM OLIVOYL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN AND MYRISTYL LACTATE
. and all of the previous ingredients are compatible with Polyquaternium-7
and PEG-7 GLYCERYL COCOATE
? sorry it was very long but please i need your answer thank you in advance !! happy formulating ;)
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Hi. Thank you very much for The video.What is the number of adjusted PH ?
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Thank you so much. U really help me a lots
You're so welcome!
Thank you so much. You helping me a lot
Is dissolving salt in water first before adding to the batch a good practice?
No - it may not be necessary and may impact performance.
what preservative is perfect for this? i tried it and was good at first but when i added preservative, the formulation wont thicken anymore. i use each test with phenoxyethanol, sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate.
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Hi. I am a fan of yours. Do your courses prices in AUD the same with USD? I am interested in your courses and certificates. Thanks
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thanks it was good description but can you share the % in liquid hand soap
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Hello Berlinda thank you for this, Kindly allow me divert you abit... I need some knowledge on how to bleach palm kernel oil..I don't like the smell , it gives in my soap , even when a put a lot of perfume.
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When did Helen Hunt become a scientist? j/k. Meant as a compliment :) Thanks for the easy illustrations of what is happening during the process. Google sent me here while researching thickening agents for making my own 'safe' non-toxic body wash and shampoos using Dr Bronner's etc. Is overkill for my non-lab needs but good info. Thx
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Thanks a lot for this video Ma. Please how can surfactants based body wash be fattened without using an oil? Just as you used in this video.
If pH, combination of surfactants or salt don't thicken the product then you need to use gums, please watch this video: th-cam.com/video/mp_9vhLfjlY/w-d-xo.html
Glycerine, cellulose, cetyl alcohol, sorbitol...
Love this channel. There are many details... Thank you for the explanation.
Thank you for watching and happy formulating! :)
thank you so much
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Could you please explain why potassium cocoate cannot be thickened by salt? It is a typical anionic surfactant so as I understand it should be possible to thicken it by salt. I have no problems with thickening canola oil or sunflower oil liquid potassium soap with salt but when it comes to coconut oil soap this method doesn't work. Moreover when I add coconut soap to canola oil soap which was thickened by salt the thickening effect disappears and there is no more impact of salt on viscosity. Do you know the explanation for this?
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This is the knowledge I was looking for thank you very much. pls madame help. I have made hand wash liquid soap it was good, ut after two weeks turned watery why? and in another trial when I add Green Apple essential oil the soap becomes cloudy why? pls help me thanks
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Merci infiniment pour cette vidéo
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Nice explain
Thank you!
Thanks for this because I am having a problem with my dishwash. I need your help
I also want to know why the neck of the bottle I used to package the dishwash is breaking off and some are leaking
hi, i would suggest that you contact your packaging supplier for that kind of advice.
hi. cant thank you enough. yet I need your help. how to thicken a formula with sulfosuccinate? as you said Salt didn't help.
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I need to know the following; 1.Is pH adjusted to neutral(7)? 2.When you say w/w do you mean the weight of the liquid soap before adding the salt?3.I have seen some people using magnesium sulphate i/o table salt... does it do the same thing w/w?
Please contact us for the full formula: info@personalcarescience.com.au and we can send you a link to access ALL our free formulas and reports! The pH is not adjusted to 7, but is detailed in the full formula. All formulas and inputs should be measured by weight - please refer to the formula provided once you email us and this will make more sense. You may also enjoy this video: How to write a cosmetic formula: th-cam.com/video/K077QLu-YCM/w-d-xo.html Salt (as in sodium chloride) is an efficient thickener of surfactants without impacting the performance; it should be used for the viscosity response for this reason.
When using Sodium Benzoate as preservative what PH must the shampoo be for the Sodium Benzoate to be active
It needs to be below pH 5 to be effective over a long period.
Could you suggest any non ionic, amfoteric and superfatting agents in powder/granules? I can't find any of those in the market 😥
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Hi why is it when I add LABSA to my SLES solution it became runny? How can I mix SLES with LABSA. I want to make dishwashing liquid. Thanks in advance.
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Hi Blinda, is it possible to make this formula without needing a machine? And also can't you add salt the same way as acid, I mean as a solution? Thanks
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once you have the total percentage of the salt, do we remove it from the water in the final formula?
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May I ask. How to keep it from clumping together although its suspended. Bc after sitting the product actually clumps
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What are the amounts used each ingredients & what is the PH value to maintain.
Thank you
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Hello watched this but not sure where Castile soap would fit into this ? Thanks
Castile is very old fashioned with a very high pH - it doesn't thicken with salt like modern, more mild surfactants do. Learn surfactant chemistry and selection with our Certificate in Advanced Hair Formulations: personalcarescience.com.au/CosmeticScience/CertificateinAdvancedHairFormulations-2134/ or Diploma of Personal Care Formulation: personalcarescience.com.au/CosmeticScience/DiplomaofPersonalCareFormulation-479/
So if you wanted to use sodium cocoyl isethionate along with cocamidopropyl betaine in a body wash. Could you thicken this with salt? Or only if you were just using sodium cocoyl alone? And is it a liquid salt solution or just normal sea salt? Also is using sodium cocoyl isethionate at 6% and cocamidopropyl betaine at 30% a appropriate usage?
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Thanks for very informative video ... I want to know that what's is the effect of salt % on foaming of surfactants ?
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I have a solution of 1 kg water+500gm SLES,how much salt should I add to get maximum viscosity (thickness).Plz reply.Thanks
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My thickened soap.when thin overnight...do I add more?
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How essentiel oils influence viscosity
They usually drop it - sometimes significantly! You may need gums, please also watch this video: th-cam.com/video/mp_9vhLfjlY/w-d-xo.html
hi thanks for sharing.
Thank you.
Can you add surfactant instead to make the solution to be thick again when you overshoot the salt accidentally?
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Great
do you adjust the ph to value of 7?
No - normally about 5 - 5.5 depending on the surfactants used, preservatives and/or actives
Can I use SALT in hand sanitizer for thickening
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Will u please explain again, what if we add total salt at one go... will it effect thickening process??? N why... Thanks a lot
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@@theinstituteofpersonalcare6401 Thanks... But, my question is very clear... About, salt addition,in one go... Hope u would reply...
Hi , thanks for informative video .
My formula contain AOS 20%, SLES (70%) 3%, CAPB (30%) 10% , Glycerin 4% ,
and I am having problem to thicken it with salt . How can I overcome it ?
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You can use a gum to thicken your product: xanthin gum
Add more glycerin, or any gum/cellulose.
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What pH range should we be aiming for?
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can i add TSP or g salt to make thick instead of common salt???
help me in this pls
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Does it also increase the solubility in water?
I'm sorry but I don't understand your question.
The Institute of Personal Care Science does adding salt to the water increase the solubility of SLES in the salt/water mixture, compared to water without salt
Which one is better NaCl or KCl?
Sodium chloride is the industry standard for thickening your surfactants. :)
how much % of salt did you end up using for the sample you showed us?
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But i want to ask when we can only depend on betaine for thickness our shampoo????
It actually depends on your anionic surfactant, not the betaine. You will find this workshop really useful: Can I use a different surfactant: personalcarescience.com.au/Workshops/Surfactantworkshop-6326/
What should be pH when making shampoo with sLES
Usually around 5.5 just for the SLES - but it depends on what else you have in the formula. I can't answer definitely without reviewing your formula, you can purchase a formula review here: personalcarescience.com.au/Advice/cosmeticformulation,brandadvice-797/ Sorry I can't give you specific advice without reviewing everything else in your formula.
How about decyl glucoside?
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What is superfatting agent
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my handwash discoloured in 4 to 5 hours when i put my hand wash in sunlight at 40 especially lavender and brown color
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@@theinstituteofpersonalcare6401 thanks for your reply but i have been making hand wash since last four year
Is it safe to thicken face wash?
Absolutely - you need it to have some viscosity so it doesn’t just run off the skin.
Should I add fragrance then salt or the other way..☺️
Salt should be your last addition, as other ingredients may alter pH and/or micellar shape. So add salt last, if nothing else has given you the thickening result you need.
what is super fatting agent and why?
Superfatting agents are amphiphilic, but more conditioning than cleansing. They are able to form part of a micelle, and don't need to be stabilised by the surfactants, but leave a partial emollient -like feel on the skin or hair after wash off. They 'soften' the feeling on wash off. Learn surfactant chemistry and selection with our Certificate in Advanced Hair Formulations: personalcarescience.com.au/CosmeticScience/CertificateinAdvancedHairFormulations-2134/ or Diploma of Personal Care Formulation: personalcarescience.com.au/CosmeticScience/DiplomaofPersonalCareFormulation-479/
How can we make a greasy gel type Soap ??
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Can you tell me why more than 3 % salt will not thicken?
Beyond this input, there is generally too much electrolyte for the micelles to form into long cylinders, and then you get no thickening at all. Learn more about thickening your surfactant products by making the right surfactant selections with our Diploma of Personal Care Formulation: personalcarescience.com.au/CosmeticScience/DiplomaofPersonalCareFormulation-479/
But the fact, factory used carbomer to thicken liquid soap
Thanks but my shampoo is not going to thick
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Is this common salt?
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What kind of salt can be added for cocoglucoside and decyl glucoside surfactants mam
Salt won’t thicken either of these surfactants, it only works on selected anionic materials. For the alkyl glucosides, you will need to use gums to thicken, please watch this video on how to make natural surfactants: th-cam.com/video/mp_9vhLfjlY/w-d-xo.html
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May I know is there any thickener agent can make transparent shampoo aside sodium chloride?
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Gums or cellulose, you could increase glycerin content too
Can anyone write the names of ingredients in chat
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Thanks for the very informative video well I need a brief explanation for how to keep the carbomer gelling while using coco betaine as a surfactant joined with coco glucoside in other words what is the best ph to keep the gelling viscosity my carbomer is TC-carbomer990 please I need an answer with love ❤
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I add salt to my liquid detergent it becomes little thick then I add more salt to become thick it's become thin like water now what to do to become thick like jelly
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