Its crazy that in HGSS we got the BATTLE FRONTIER, and even a new in-depth minigame made from scratch, the Pokeathalon, and the best iteration of the Safari Zone. ORAS replaced the Battle Frontier with other custom endgame content, and BDSP didnt have... anything I don't want Black and White remakes anymore. There's no way in hell we're getting the difficulty system, Pokestar Studios, Black Tower, White Treehollow, or the World Tournament. And since they'll shove the baby-mode exp share into the mix we won't even have the diffuculr battles the game is also known for.
I think Gen 5 remakes could be good. Nintendo seemed upset with game freak after scarlet and violet. I mean they made game freak move back to the main Nintendo office in Kyoto. Look at them taking their time with Z-A. This direction probably came directly from higher ups at Nintendo. I believe good changes are happening within game freak.
@@Joshwork13nintendo will announce monolith soft as new mainline pokemon dev. Gamefreak should retire being a dev and open curry and sand wich restaurants instead.
@@Joshwork13 The Teraleak revealed how much Game Freak actually influences Nintendo, not the other way around. There is no hope Nintendo can change anything here.
I could absolutely Go Off on these games, because I am that Gen 4 superfan these games were "supposed" to be for, but I won't because everything that needs to be said has been a thousand times. I also happen to be an even bigger fan of Gen 5, so to say that I am shaking in my boots about the prospect of THIS happening to my beloved Unova would be a grave understatement. The crucial part to understand why BDSP failed is to understand why Diamond and Pearl failed. DP are genuinely pretty bad games, with a pitiful Pokédex, lackluster story, awful set pieces, a pathetic evil team with no identity, no postgame to speak of, and a plethora of performance issues and bad quality of life decisions. BDSP chooses to replicate, without exaggeration, each and every single one of these failings, instead of take an opportunity to rectify them - even when the blueprints to do so were already laid out for them in Platinum. Even the performance issues and quality of life decisions that WERE addressed, such as battle speed and HMs, aren't fixed in their entirety; battles now suffer plasticine models with no personality and unimaginative animations, and the HM replacement is totally immersion breaking, not to mention the brand new issues due to the implementation of 360 movement (the Candice Gym glitch in particular comes to mind). Then they choose to add modern mechanics with no regard for how they simply Do Not Belong Here? The XY affection mechanic is forced and breaks open the difficulty, the EXP Share is forced and breaks open the difficulty, and the follow mechanics are laughable in a "Oh my God this is actually how far we've fallen", kind of way. As I said, I'm not gonna go on and on because there are dozens of video essays and comments elsewhere to explain in-depth the tragedy that BDSP was. I think BDSP has merit for completely brand new players to the series, who can start with a very easy game (at least until Cynthia, but hey, WE survived as kids lmao) without any gimmicks involved. However, I think that even this is still unfortunate, as it is a further reminder of what could have been - children who pick up BDSP as one of their first Pokémon games nowadays have to experience the series through a borderline 1-to-1 poorly made reskin of one of the worst games in the series, rather than a reimagining of a beloved fan favourite that had care and attention put into it to expand upon the ideas presented by the original trio. The difference between Diamond and Pearl, and Platinum, was immense - Looker, scene changes, a superior story, and *actually being able to use Pokémon from the Sinnoh region* - so it's a true shame that the remake we got chose to take nothing from the objectively superior version that MADE Gen 4 the adored generation it is today.
I like to think of BDSP as a nice side-series/port, and PLA as the actual gen 4 remake. But tbh I really wish Gen 4 got the HGSS ORAS treatment instead
I mentioned this in another video but my main problem with BDSP is the lack of Platinum content. Looker, the expanded Pokédex, the Battle Frontier, etc. are all gone
As a gen 4 fan, I was hoping for a Let's Go art style, but I didn't hate BDSP art style. What I didn't like was the exclusion of an Platinum episode, like we had the Delta Episode in ORAS and I wanted to have Pokémon from gen 5 to 8, even if we couldn't get them all. It's not my least favorite Pokémon game, because I can't hate Sinnoh, but I'd rather play Platinum instead
Same. Not taking advantage of Modern mechanics, skipping over giving the gen 4 starters special forms with the new games in BOTH the remakes and PLA, ugh, it really felt like a slap in the face to gen 4 fans. That said, I loved my Chimchar getting power up punch so early on, and it felt like the games had a nice difficulty curve overall. I thought I'd 2 shot a wild geodude with my Chimchar as soon as it learned powerful punch and it defense curl rollout-ed me and 1 shot Chimchar. I know it's weak to Rock, but I've never seen a wild Pokemon do the rollout combo before that and it got me kinda excited for the AI in the game. I did end up dropping the games though, cause I couldn't get over the lack of the Platinum story. I couldn't stop making comparisons and just went back to play that in the end
@@KairiBerlitz They’re pretty much Diamond and Pearl with an extra coat of paint. So they’re not that bad. They’re techniclly in the top 3 best pokemon games on the Switch if they’re not just the best altogether… Comapred to the other pokemon Switch games I mean. If the gen 5 remakes were like that, I would be pretty happy TBH.
Grew up on Gen 4 and still play platinum, these remakes broke my faith with Pokemon, considering how much of a meme “gen 4 confirmed” was, when it finally was confirmed I wish it hadn’t ;(
I grew up with and played pokemon platinum religiously and your video really captured my feelings on this. Pokemon platinum is still the definitive sinnoh experience, and bdsp is not much more than a fun throwback
The crazy thing is, they’re not even remakes, they’re remasters. They literally took the original DP, upscaled the graphics and put it on the switch with a $60 price tag. This is further proven by the fact that you can use the old Action Replay on it.
We shouldn't want new remakes anymore. When ORAS came out, they were by far the worst Pokémon remakes to date in my opinion (note, i am a massive gen3 fan loving both RSE and FRLG, and probably Colosseum and XD too if i owned them, they seem right up my alley). But when BDSP came out they easily took that crown. ORAS tried by making changes that most of which I simply did not enjoy, like complete overhauls of already well established character designs and ruining the difficulty by giving a free Mega Lati halfway into the story, but did introduce neat features like the dexnav and the Delta episode postgame was solid. BDSP on the other hand did not improve on the originals in any way. or change anything at all for that matter. They're just bland nostalgia cashgrabs.
I personally like these games. The pros easily overshadow the cons, in my opinion. I liked how colorful these games were and how enjoyable they were to play. And this comes from a person who has also played through Platinum. In my opinion, the biggest improvements of these games were the removed HMs, the Grand Underground, and the greatly improved boss battles. Those texts describing your Pokémon's feelings during battle have been a thing since Generation VI, where they were tied to the affection mechanic. In these games, they're tied to the friendship mechanic instead. I don't like those friendship haxes, so I kept it under control with herbal medicine. I actually used that Jirachi in my main team when playing Brilliant Diamond. Felt fun using one.
As a Sinnoh fan, it really sucked that these turned out as lame as they did, tho it can be somewhat excused by it not being their main focus. But also, I am a Gen5 fan, and honestly, I don't think a faithful BW remake would detract as bad as it was for us getting one with DP. BW is commonly agreed to have one of the best stories in the main series, and stands pretty strong on its own, while DP needed Platinum to be good. BDSP is a decent experience if you have never played Platinum, but Platinum still ended up being the definitive experience. It also bugs me with the waste of potential, like imagine if we got a DP remake adding elements from Platinum and Legends, that would have been dope.
Gen 4 was my first intro to pokémon in elementary school, and I’d wanted remakes ever since ORAS, and BDSP felt so legitimately disappointing to the point of disgust. I felt like we missed out on the experience Gen 1-3 kids had with FRLG, HGSS, and ORAS which are in so many people’s top 5 Pokemon games of all time for their innovation, improvements to the originals, and overall care and character that permeate the whole experience. Between the Sevii Islands, the Battle Frontier, the Pokeathlon, Soaring, the Delta episode, all of the previous remakes had flaws but felt like reimaginings of the originals in fresh perfected ways. Sinnoh has always been my first and favorite region, and the underground was nice, but the rest of the game felt like an attempt to “just get a remake out” in a way that was genuinely distasteful, careless, and unfortunately made me resent them entirely
Gen 4 are my favorite games. I don't hate BDSP just was highly disappointed by them. I really wamted DP in SWSH engine with Dynamax and a Delta Episode for Giratina But I genuinely think SWSH had such bad reception that Pokemon Company thought extremely faithful and safe would be a better option. Which just baffles me Like they were so focused on Legends Arceus that they actually neglected to give the Remakes of the generation ask for the most and had the long gap in between the originals to drop a glorified tech demo I like Legends Arceus but it's definitely a very incomplete game. They focused so much on the catching and that's literally it. The story and characters are boring. The world is empty, the action rpg elements are hella clunky. And it's a prequel not a remake. I would've even been ok if they the DP remakes were the experimental games. As in the used all of the Legends concepts for the Sinnoh remakes. At least we would've had a new experience for modern Sinnoh. But no we got disappointing remakes and an ok at best prequel Gen 5 is my 2nd favorite. So I have hope BW don't get disrespected for another Legends game
Diamond and Pearl was my first official Pokemon games, I played a friends version of Ruby for a bit but Sinnoh was my first full playthrough I didnt hate the remakes, I just wish they would have used Platinum as the base for the games over D+P as Platinum imo is the better version of the Gen4 Sinnoh games - Better dex - More fleshed out story/Things to do overall - Addressed the issues with D+P
Imo the biggest sin is that the vibes are completely changed with the art style. It has different colors and everything. It doesn’t look like the same cosy place, but a different location that happens to have the same layout Edit: just realized you spoke on this
I actually quite quite "chibi" graphics as used in Super Mario RPG or the 2D Zelda games. But in those games, it feels like a deliberate artistic choice rather than a cost-cutting measure made to compensate the lack of development time. Still, I'm glad that Game Freak worked on something new instead of another remake with Legends Arceus instead. Pokemon remakes are interesting because it fans aren't looking for a faithful recreation of an old game, they want a new experience with the current generation gameplay mechanics, but with the skin of a previous title.
@vianabdullah2837 i too, quite quite the chibi graphics, i dont really care if its "jarring" when the switch to the larger models in battle, it still works for the game even in 3d
Too bad the Let's Go games did so much better of a job with the chili art style including making some of the best looking cutscenes for the franchise overall years before this was made. If they had just used the let's go artstyle, I think people would've been more accepting of it. That game even got proportional sizing right for overworld Pokemon. And that game already felt cheap without much extra content, making this game feel even cheaper in comparison
BD&SP is an insult for older pokemon fans and It's messed up Game-freak trick the newer fans think is a good game they deserve better than this trash! Heck even bootlegs and fan mades put more effort than this multi-million dollar franchise game! What's more sucks that platinum story works perfectly with Legends Arceus story with Giratina! We have been robbed! 😭
gen iv fanatic here, so much that i prefer diamond over platinum and diamond is hands down in my top 5 favorite games of all time and um… i hate these like i’m sorry, seeing that this is what happened to dpp when we have the other remakes was so disappointing i wanted to relive the gen iv sinnoh games in a modern setting and instead we got an inferior game to platinum, it does improve on dp but well anything does and i hate these narrative that legends arceus is the suitable replacement when it’s not, pla is not dp and the whole story and structure is a whole different thing these games were underwhelming and just made in poor taste from gamefreak
I just got Diamond, and I gotta say... I'm having a lot of fun. I've never played this version, and it's a very straight forward simple Pokémon game. Lots of Gen 1 Pokémon as well. If you are looking for something with more depth, maybe another is for you.
Having never played Platinum as I didn't buy the 3rd versions BDSP are the best versions of my least favourite region. They're playable but flawed as hell. BDSP at least fixed sheer slowness of everything from Diamond/Pearl and semi-fixed the HM issue.
BDSP is just a fairy contaminated, chibi, 3d, nigh passionless, gen 4 hate project. There was still the limit of 493 Pokemon, Used the dex from OG Pearl & diamond, did not make any modifications to the gym leader teams and elite 4 teams, no pss, no friend safari, no natural in game even to get Darkrai {which should be version exclusive w/Cresselia}, Shaymin, Arceus {though I'd let that slide cause of Legends A} or Deoxys, Jirachi, Celebi or Mew, no wild high level Chansey & Blissey, no hidden grottos, no raids, no mega evolution, no 100/200♾use TM's, no HM's, and no wild high level *fully evolved* pokemon, and no game corner/proper minigame arcade, , no new "Paul like" rival that picks the last remaining starter, and serious lack of character customization. They could have included pokemon from gen 5 - 8 to spice things up: Stoutland, Musharna, Gigalith, Scolipede, Basculegion, Darmanitan, Scrafty, H-Zoroark, Reuniclus, Vanilluxe, Jellicent, Eelektross, Beheeyem, Chandelure, Druddigon, Golurk, Hydreigon, Cobalion, Terrakion, Verizon, Keldeo, Chesnaught, Delphox, Greninja, Florges, Malamar, Dragalge, Clawitzer, Tyrantrum, Aurorus, Carbink, Goodra, Trevenant, Toucannon, Crabominable, A-Ninetales, Lycanroc, Toxapex, Araquanid, Palossand, Salazzle, Silvally, Turtonator, Drampa, Bruxish, Dhelmise, Naganadel, Orbeetle, Coalossal, Sandaconda, Toxtricity, Centiskorch, Grimmsnarl, Alcremie, Pincurchin, Dragapult, Regieleki, Regidrago, Wyrdeer, Ursaluna.
As someone who jumped into the vast world as pokemon in gen 4, specifically gen 4, I'm probably apart of the rare few who adores the remake. It's not perfect. The flaws you mentioned are... Unfortunate, the tiny Pokémon are funny, in an unsettling way at times, but given the way it seems, this being ILCAs very first full made title, not just a support company, I give them kudos. Regardless, I really appreciate your video, and everything in between :)
@@ChrisMS0815 rare spawns of houndoom can be found in the grand underground and magby can also be found there in shining pearl. also, not a fire type but I used an elekid caught in the underground during my play through of brilliant diamond
I’m a massive Sinnoh nut and I sadly never finished these games. I’ve lost all drive to ever retry them because starting a new file would lose me the Platinum outfit I got for being an early adopter, and the mystery gifts that were released afterwards 🙁
I love the new content BDSP included. New and improved boss fights and rematches on the level of competitive Pokémon, Master Class Battle Tower that features new opponents (including Team Galactic!), and a new Dawn/Lucas battle. These are additions traditional Pokémon remakes are known for, and I wished they fleshed these ideas out more.
One thing we all can't deny, it was the only way up to that point, to get that old school, top down Pokemon experience on the switch, and that is why I bought my first switch for this game haha
I enjoyed bdsp, but not in the traditional way. Me and my group of friends all nuzlocked the game together as a group. We made sure that we hit certain points in the game at the same time, and we played through the elite 4 together at the same time. I also enjoyed how difficult the elite 4 was. It was genuinely hard, and that’s not something you usually get in Pokémon games now days.
As a Gen 3 person, I had a huge sigh of relief that this isn’t how it was fated. It made me feel really bad for the Gen 4 people. I hope they were still able to find some joy in it.
I think these games are a good example of "what is a remake" and "what is a remaster". Remakes tend to be very different from their original counterpart, with a lot of their code redone down to its base and sometimes with very different gameplay. The Final Fantasy 7 remakes are an extreme example of this, being completely different games with similar plot, characters and locations. Every other pokemon remake up to this point have fulfilled these, "re-imagining" it like you said. Remasters, on the other hand, tend to just be a more modern version of the already existing game. They tend to have mostly the same code (BDSP has been confirmed to have *a lot* of copied code, they even brought back some old gen 4 bugs) and gameplay, with improvements to graphics and the engine. Skyrim is a good example of a game just getting a new coat of paint, a few new features and being called a remaster. Also, at least in my case, the new graphics ended up being very uncomfortable to play with. There's a cave north of Jubilife where I was trying to get a specific encounter, and they put fog in there simply because the original also had it, but the constant moving of it when I went up and down the stairs genuinely hurt my eyes and forced me to stop playing.
I am in a weird position because I never got to play DPPt at all, so my first exposure to Sinnoh was literally shining pearl… as a result BDSP are actually my favorites 😂 Maybe someday I’ll play through Platinum and realize what everyone’s talking about with the hate.
The reason Heartgold and SoulSilver worked so well is that they took everything that the games had learned up to that point. They not only remade the story of Gold and Silver, but also seamlessly interweaved the plot of Crystal into the games. They also used all the mechanics and designs of Gen 4 into the games. Compare that with these games. They simply just remade the games. They pretty much ignored all the improvements from Platinum and didn't bother interweaving any of it's story elements. I don't hate the chibi art style, but I understand that a lot of people were hoping to see the same art style from Sword and Shield. It's things like that alienated so many people with these games.
Zelda Fandom: Oh man, Zelda Links Awakening is so great. They made a pure remake for us, while still maintaining the Chibi style. But great Pokemon Fandom: UUUEEEEE, how dare they make a remake of the original?! Ueeee they had to give me what I wanted UUEEEEEE
remakes used to be about *remaking* a region in the mold of the current generation, adopting all its mechanics. Now it seems theyve abandoned that in favor of what is just a remaster. I can see why, but if theyre going to remaster they should go for a *definitive* edition with all the content scattered across 3 or 4 versions.
Honestly, for me these remakes were a breath of fresh air. I genuinly had a lot of fun with them, moreso than with Sword and Shield. I had never played the originals, though.
for me Gen 4 has always been extremely FORGETTABLE. Even when taking a long hiatus and trying to replay it. I can't for the life of me remember any of the gym leaders. Whats even worse is the Level format is THE SAME as Gen 2. Making you have to deal with trainers capping out at only level 30 for the ENTIRE 2nd half of the game while yours are long past level 40-50. it just drags on unnecessarily for too long. and the Elite 4 is so brutally difficult that I don't even bother to tackle it with anything lower then a full party of level 90-100 mons. I played through BD and am currently at the Elite 4. I haven't even tried yet. I'm just leveling my entire party to level 100. I've already gotten the national dex by now. I'm not even going to bother completing the game.
I've learnt to love them 💖 At first, I was quite resentful toward BDSP's unreasonable difficult spike, going from light, friendly fun to demonic the second the player steps into the Elite Four with no forewarning to what's to come. It just isn't fair and has rightfully made tons of players just abandon the game. It makes players feel like they've done something wrong, having their team comprised of their favourites or any random shinys the hunters treaded across Sinnoh for *washed* by Cynthia and her overpowered, competitively-built team. It's only now, with the introduction of Pokémon Home and all the handy, convenient tools introduced in SV do I enjoy challenging the Elite Four and Cynthia since I have access to EVs via the ogre-oustin game and easy breeding, being able to spawn several eggs in my player's picnic basket to find the perfect IV Pokémon I want to port over to my Shiny Pearl copy. BDSP is really missing such tools, especially frustrating not knowing the monstrous challenge to come. The lack of Platinum improvements was really disappointing, relegating Candice, Flint and Volkner to their poor original teams
I personally believe that while BDSP have some glaring flaws, they work well enough in my opinion to make them(at least BD, since that's the only one of the pair I played) at least reasonably enjoyable. Also, the Grand Underground will be making several of my challenge playthroughs I do in them far more manageable than if I did those runs in the original Diamond or Pearl games.
I'm an OG Pokemon fan who has played every generation since Gen 1 and Gen 4 has always been my least favorite. The lore & characters are nice and Platinum was a BIG improvement but I never enjoyed playing Gen 4 so I was not looking forward to the remakes. When I played the remakes, I had a better time than I assumed I would but I had no interest playing past than the Elite 4.
what kills it for me is the movement. Aesthetically and mechanically, it's fine, though not great. but man they should have just kept it on a grid system bc moving around in this game feels like a nightmare.
Yeah, these games are massive letdowns in every way as a Gen IV fan. I wanted to see Sinnoh in 3D with new features and new designs just like the previous remakes did, not an uglier and worse version of a game I already played. I know the trade-off is PLA and it's cool GF is trying to evolve the series, but it stills feels very unfinished in a lot of ways and needed a lot of work. It doesn't really take the spot of a real Sinnoh remake.
I love the game and honesty don't care what people said but i still accept many people dislike the game. Thank you for the video as usual and see you on next video
i had played pokemon platinum so much when i was younger that i was eagerly waiting for the gen 4 remakes and i was very disappointed not because the games very bad but more like it was a pretty boring experience when the remakes had so much potential.
Diamond was my first pokemon game so I bought brilliant diamond, I loved the nostalgia kick at first but did find myself missing the original games and my most recent gen 4 playthrough was with a copy of the original pokemon Pearl. The OGs do it better, and I am disappointed in BDSP. I did still have fun with them though, and they're nice for an easy playthrough without the slowness of the originals and the annoyance of HM moves
I pladed them once. I remember likeing them but I also never picked them up again so I can't say that I was that impressed with them. I also fouind myself wishing I was playing the Platnum story
Gen 4 was my favorite gen. So I had high hopes for these remakes. But, it honestly felt like a money grab. Compared to other remakes like UltraSun/Ultra Moon, or ORAS, these remakes just looked like they copy/pasted the originals. I at least wanted a more 3D-ish experience similar to Sword/Shield. I was actually drooling over how Sinnoh would look using the Sword/Shield engine. And then GameFreak decided to give us all the middle finger.
in my opinion these games are average, good if you want to introduce someone to gen 4 without handing them a DS, but from a modern perspective it just kind of feels....well rushed. Like Nintendo just handed the DS versions to someone and was like "modernize these please"
Gen 4 is my favorite, just loved the region and it's vibes. I was on a break from the series when these came out but came back for legends. Legends got me back into the series and so I picked up Shining Pearl. I had already walked into the title knowing it was not going to be the same type of remakes as the last gens. It's not the remakes I wanted for my favorite gen but I do think they are so faithful to the originals because of Legends coming out so close to them. I would of loved just some of the platinum elements but the things they did change, like getting most of the third version options as soon as badge 2 made team building fun. The art style isn't my cup of tea but I do see what they went for. All in all, I do find myself suggesting it to newer fans who do not want to shell out 120 bucks for a used DS and copy of the originals.
BDSP are the worst remakes, and the worst Pokémon games. In my honest opinion. I bought them both of course, but I never played past the 4th badge in BD. I couldn’t handle it anymore. Where ORAS added the Delta Episode where you can catch the mythical Deoxys, BDSP brought back the limited time events to catch Shaymin and Darkrai. Why not just have them as quests in the game? Everything about BDSP just pisses me off.
I think the general consensus is that BDSP is slightly better than DP but worse than Platinum Irrelevant of BDSP’s quality, it’s bad in terms of a remake, a good BDSP remake would have many of the quality of life improvements that Platinum added to Gen 4 It Didn’t help that people were expecting the remake to have all of Platinum’s improvements
I honestly liked these games. Not as much as the other Switch Pokémon games. But they are absolutely decent games. Tbf. it's just a stop gap between Sword/Shield and Legends Arceus.
I didn’t mine cuz i loved legends arceus. I’ve played through platinum so many times and even if it was on SW/SH engine I don’t think i would’ve been immersed. I think LA was the right way to go
I adored Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum growing up. I bought both Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl when they released, as well as Legends Arceus. I haven't touched the former since I got them, whereas PLA is one of my favourite games in the series. I think the jarring graphical change between SwSh and BDSP, coupled with the fact that each of the other remakes add *something* to the experience rather than being 1:1 carbon copies of the original, just dulled the shine for me
The reveal of BDSP looked playable. The released games are unplayable. Even if I try to mod some hurting graphic effects out, it still is not enough. These games should never be played unless they get a GTA Definitive Treatment. Update it to make it at least playable. Why the hell is the bloom even there, the deep sharpness and blurry graphics everywhere, I don't get why anyone could play that, it is really hurting my eyes since day 1 and it's still like that. Even SV looks better, minus the crystallizing evolution thing crap that nobody needs and hurts my eyes, too. And no, I mean not because it looks like sh*t, well, it does, but because it literally hurts.
I just got through Pokémon White on my phone. It was a good time. Ghetsis was giving me a whuppin' with his level 54 Hydreigon but I eventually got lucky with a paralysis. Twice in quick succession when he full restored.
My favourite generation is Gen 4! I absolutely love BDSP, I enjoy the art style and love that theres no battle gimmicks. My only complaints are the lack of platinum content and how butchered some of the following pokemon are
The battle animations were quite epic, the remake itself isn’t bad and some of the post game options and the mythicals that you could get just for owning other games was a nice bonus. But I’ll have to be completely honest the fact that it doesn’t include the platinum story line or do/add anything new and that it was too safe was rather boring ngl. But as a remake this would a good remake but I would of liked to see some new mega evolutions and such so that way it would follow along with the remakes adding megas like ORAS and Let’s go.
When they first revealed BDSP and I saw it I was shocked at how bad it looked and the person talking in the trailer immediately damage controlled the look and style of the game by using the "faithful recreation" excuse. That doesn't fly here because thats not what we wanted or expected, especially not to the point where it's doesn't even have the Platinum dex or story content. Ponyta is the only fire type if you don't pick Chimchar again. I expected it to look like Sword and Shield since all previous remakes used the engine of the current generation and it sucked cause I really liked Gen 4 back in the day. Hopefully they get Black and White right.
As for me, i actually like Pokémon shining pearl,but to this day, i will still maintain that the only 2 worst Pokémon games to date is both Scarlet and Violet. There was no credible reason for both Scarlet and Violet to be released in unplayable condition on day 1 and im still surprised that Pokémon bdsp,sword and shield,Pokémon let's go Pikachu and Evee and Pokémon legends arceus are still getting so much hate. I've been playing the main series Pokémon games since December 25th 2004 and i will not be picking up Pokémon legends Z-A on day 1 release. It will be the very first time where im not interested in a new Pokémon game, and the reason is because of all the issues with both Scarlet and Violet
I have NO idea why, but I had a really good experience with this game. the amount of relief I felt when I beat Cynthia, the amount of dopamine produced from my brain was enough to kill a victorian child
I had the exact sams situation as you, these games were my first experience of Sinnoh, so the freshness was fun. That said even my first playthrough I found the games underwhelming, playing through platinum later on was a much more enjoyable experience.
I also recently played Brilliant Diamond and surprisingly, I quite enjoyed it. Not the greatest game of all time but I couldn’t bring myself to hate it. (Never played the original Gen 4, so I didn’t really expect anything.)
I've been there for every mainline entry and played almost any Pokemon game you can think of. I don't think this game is as bad as people said it was. There were definitely many bad things about it (getting stuck on corners, no real innovation vs true remake, etc) but a lot of it is overexaggerated. As a whole I still had more fun with BDSP than I did with, say, X and Y. It's probably mostly due to nostalgia for Gen 4, but still... definitely not the worst, definitely not the best.
I'll be interested to see what you think of these. They could have definitely been better. I didn't even play them because I didn't like the art style and much prefer how they looked in other games, like the Hoenn remakes.
i'm enjoying it so far, since its stays pretty faithful to the original. Only issue is knowing they could have incorporated Platinum content, but didn't
Sad thing my favorite one was Platinum from gen 4. I did find it cute, but its at least they did Legends of Arceus to dont totally screw with gen 4 lovers.
Yeah, but am I the only one pissed that the gen 4 starters got totally overlooked for special forms with how they designed the games? Like how could they give special new forms for Pokemon from other regions and not give anything to the actual gen 4 starters? That just felt bad after the gen 3 starters got their mega forms and gen 1 got them in X and Y. It's cool that Arceus gave them to a gen 2, 5, and 7 Pokemon, but come on, how long will the gen 4 starters have to wait now?
Tbh, as a gen 5 fan I'm not worried about "what happened" to BDSP happening to BW because BW were actually good games to begin with. As other commenters have mentioned, DP were full of really glaring flaws and an underwhelming story, so replicating that with BDSP made for sn underwhelming game. BW on the other hand are *really good*, so a "faithful" remake will already be better than BDSP.
Diamond and Pearl ARE great games, though. I can't believe you're going to say that DP had an underwhelming story when Black and White have an even more of an underwhelming story. I think what made it worse for me was that it tried so hard to be edgy, deep, and different with its themes and absolutely failed to do anything interesting with them. They tried to build something big and it just fell flat. It felt like watching a really bad anime. To each their own, though, I suppose. Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum will always be legendary games as far as I am concerned.
A SINNOH game being SLUGGISH? So accurate to the original! All we need is 'Saving a lot of data' back... The big problem is that Sinnoh sucked to begin with and this remake didn't try to make it better.
I think all yhe hate these games get is quite hyperbolic and mostly based on people wanting a game more like platinum, but considered by itself, its a fine game, just not as replayable as other pokemon games
I found BDSP to be a slog. Mostly because of the jankiness. I have fun playing most Pokémon games. I even liked Sword and Shield, which is unusual in this fandom. Nothing about BDSP feels intentional. The EXP Share is even more poorly balanced in these games. It isn't taken into consideration at all. The chibi style doesn't fit some of the more serious themes. Following Pokémon is done just to include the feature, not enhance your experience. PLA, in contrast, is also not perfect. The graphics close up can be iffy, mostly with the grass imo. But overall, the games have style. The sky is mesmerizing. The region looks grand in wide shots. There aren't many NPCs or trainer battles because Hisui was barely settled. You're basically a Pokémon professor here. It's different and cool. Sometimes it's tedious, but that kind of works because research can be like that. I really enjoyed these games because there was a reason for the mechanics and aesthetics. That's the thing with art, intention. It should be cohesive and feel like it's done for a reason (obviously there are exceptions, like Rule of Cool or making something wacky). This is why both BDSP and SV fall short for me, it felt like they did things just because and not because it makes sense with the region. I will say I do kind of enjoy the way the overworld of BDSP looks. But I do wish we'd gotten a game with the Sword and Shield engine, a real 3D world. I think it could have been better than SwSh if done this way. Also, Platinum's Pokédex.
Platinum was my first game and white 2 This “remake” stung, tbh I lowkey kept waiting for the new concept to drop tbh, I was convinced we were getting a delta episode treatment for giratina, thank fuck for legends, needless to say IM WORRIED for unova remakes ngl, the odds my first games were sinnoh and unova :(
I never really hated the chibi style and its look in general cause i dont mind games looking different i think the issue was at least for me they were a little messy. The following along pokemon i think was done very poorly and has been since the sword and shield dlc and has only really worked in Lets Go from the switch games. If you cant do it right why even bother having it in the game you know. Most pokemon i had following were left behind and potentially having to stop for them to catch up. Roomba Ekans Taking away the option for the affection gimmick is annoying as hell like its been a thing since X & Y and it was OPTIONAL. Like these types of things where you take more options away rather than adding things in or keeping them in is so weird to me. Like if it doesnt matter too much why take it out like swapping pokemon around. The only thing i do like is the elite 4 and Cynthia actually having hard teams and having their Platinum teams in one rematch and a mix and match team in a second rematch. Cynthia is made even harder and they all have items. How can they get this so right but other parts so wrong
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Its crazy that in HGSS we got the BATTLE FRONTIER, and even a new in-depth minigame made from scratch, the Pokeathalon, and the best iteration of the Safari Zone.
ORAS replaced the Battle Frontier with other custom endgame content, and BDSP didnt have... anything
I don't want Black and White remakes anymore. There's no way in hell we're getting the difficulty system, Pokestar Studios, Black Tower, White Treehollow, or the World Tournament. And since they'll shove the baby-mode exp share into the mix we won't even have the diffuculr battles the game is also known for.
I think Gen 5 remakes could be good. Nintendo seemed upset with game freak after scarlet and violet. I mean they made game freak move back to the main Nintendo office in Kyoto. Look at them taking their time with Z-A. This direction probably came directly from higher ups at Nintendo. I believe good changes are happening within game freak.
@@Joshwork13nintendo will announce monolith soft as new mainline pokemon dev. Gamefreak should retire being a dev and open curry and sand wich restaurants instead.
@@Joshwork13 gamefreak never was in house with Nintendo before??
@@Joshwork13 The Teraleak revealed how much Game Freak actually influences Nintendo, not the other way around. There is no hope Nintendo can change anything here.
I could absolutely Go Off on these games, because I am that Gen 4 superfan these games were "supposed" to be for, but I won't because everything that needs to be said has been a thousand times. I also happen to be an even bigger fan of Gen 5, so to say that I am shaking in my boots about the prospect of THIS happening to my beloved Unova would be a grave understatement.
The crucial part to understand why BDSP failed is to understand why Diamond and Pearl failed. DP are genuinely pretty bad games, with a pitiful Pokédex, lackluster story, awful set pieces, a pathetic evil team with no identity, no postgame to speak of, and a plethora of performance issues and bad quality of life decisions. BDSP chooses to replicate, without exaggeration, each and every single one of these failings, instead of take an opportunity to rectify them - even when the blueprints to do so were already laid out for them in Platinum. Even the performance issues and quality of life decisions that WERE addressed, such as battle speed and HMs, aren't fixed in their entirety; battles now suffer plasticine models with no personality and unimaginative animations, and the HM replacement is totally immersion breaking, not to mention the brand new issues due to the implementation of 360 movement (the Candice Gym glitch in particular comes to mind). Then they choose to add modern mechanics with no regard for how they simply Do Not Belong Here? The XY affection mechanic is forced and breaks open the difficulty, the EXP Share is forced and breaks open the difficulty, and the follow mechanics are laughable in a "Oh my God this is actually how far we've fallen", kind of way.
As I said, I'm not gonna go on and on because there are dozens of video essays and comments elsewhere to explain in-depth the tragedy that BDSP was. I think BDSP has merit for completely brand new players to the series, who can start with a very easy game (at least until Cynthia, but hey, WE survived as kids lmao) without any gimmicks involved. However, I think that even this is still unfortunate, as it is a further reminder of what could have been - children who pick up BDSP as one of their first Pokémon games nowadays have to experience the series through a borderline 1-to-1 poorly made reskin of one of the worst games in the series, rather than a reimagining of a beloved fan favourite that had care and attention put into it to expand upon the ideas presented by the original trio. The difference between Diamond and Pearl, and Platinum, was immense - Looker, scene changes, a superior story, and *actually being able to use Pokémon from the Sinnoh region* - so it's a true shame that the remake we got chose to take nothing from the objectively superior version that MADE Gen 4 the adored generation it is today.
I like to think of BDSP as a nice side-series/port, and PLA as the actual gen 4 remake.
But tbh I really wish Gen 4 got the HGSS ORAS treatment instead
Bdsp is not side-series. Its a whole damn mainline stories
I mentioned this in another video but my main problem with BDSP is the lack of Platinum content. Looker, the expanded Pokédex, the Battle Frontier, etc. are all gone
The leaks did confirmed that the BDSP were rushed and you are right.
No leak stuff in public comment sections, please. Some people don't want to hear it.
@@wikiuser92 don't like don't read, this isn't even a leak spoiling something about an upcoming game
@@Shinntoku I didn't read the comments, fortunately.
All recent pokemon games were rushed not just bdsp.
@IcarusFallz The recent games are better than you think.
2:21 I just wish it had the Let’s go graphics engine. I’d have loved it with that
As a gen 4 fan, I was hoping for a Let's Go art style, but I didn't hate BDSP art style. What I didn't like was the exclusion of an Platinum episode, like we had the Delta Episode in ORAS and I wanted to have Pokémon from gen 5 to 8, even if we couldn't get them all. It's not my least favorite Pokémon game, because I can't hate Sinnoh, but I'd rather play Platinum instead
Same. Not taking advantage of Modern mechanics, skipping over giving the gen 4 starters special forms with the new games in BOTH the remakes and PLA, ugh, it really felt like a slap in the face to gen 4 fans. That said, I loved my Chimchar getting power up punch so early on, and it felt like the games had a nice difficulty curve overall. I thought I'd 2 shot a wild geodude with my Chimchar as soon as it learned powerful punch and it defense curl rollout-ed me and 1 shot Chimchar. I know it's weak to Rock, but I've never seen a wild Pokemon do the rollout combo before that and it got me kinda excited for the AI in the game. I did end up dropping the games though, cause I couldn't get over the lack of the Platinum story. I couldn't stop making comparisons and just went back to play that in the end
@@KairiBerlitz They’re pretty much Diamond and Pearl with an extra coat of paint. So they’re not that bad. They’re techniclly in the top 3 best pokemon games on the Switch if they’re not just the best altogether… Comapred to the other pokemon Switch games I mean. If the gen 5 remakes were like that, I would be pretty happy TBH.
@@c0mpu73rguy I agree, I wouldn't mind a gen 5 faithfull remake at all, just wish it'll have mons from gen 6 to 9, but won't hold my breath on it...
Same. Platinum has my favourite final villain boss showdown of all time with Cyrus in the Distortion World.
Grew up on Gen 4 and still play platinum, these remakes broke my faith with Pokemon, considering how much of a meme “gen 4 confirmed” was, when it finally was confirmed I wish it hadn’t ;(
I grew up with and played pokemon platinum religiously and your video really captured my feelings on this. Pokemon platinum is still the definitive sinnoh experience, and bdsp is not much more than a fun throwback
The crazy thing is, they’re not even remakes, they’re remasters. They literally took the original DP, upscaled the graphics and put it on the switch with a $60 price tag. This is further proven by the fact that you can use the old Action Replay on it.
everybody's favorite Pokemon remake to hate. I'll take a top down Pokemon game over an open world game any day of the week.
We shouldn't want new remakes anymore. When ORAS came out, they were by far the worst Pokémon remakes to date in my opinion (note, i am a massive gen3 fan loving both RSE and FRLG, and probably Colosseum and XD too if i owned them, they seem right up my alley). But when BDSP came out they easily took that crown. ORAS tried by making changes that most of which I simply did not enjoy, like complete overhauls of already well established character designs and ruining the difficulty by giving a free Mega Lati halfway into the story, but did introduce neat features like the dexnav and the Delta episode postgame was solid. BDSP on the other hand did not improve on the originals in any way. or change anything at all for that matter. They're just bland nostalgia cashgrabs.
I personally like these games. The pros easily overshadow the cons, in my opinion. I liked how colorful these games were and how enjoyable they were to play. And this comes from a person who has also played through Platinum. In my opinion, the biggest improvements of these games were the removed HMs, the Grand Underground, and the greatly improved boss battles.
Those texts describing your Pokémon's feelings during battle have been a thing since Generation VI, where they were tied to the affection mechanic. In these games, they're tied to the friendship mechanic instead. I don't like those friendship haxes, so I kept it under control with herbal medicine.
I actually used that Jirachi in my main team when playing Brilliant Diamond. Felt fun using one.
As a Sinnoh fan, it really sucked that these turned out as lame as they did, tho it can be somewhat excused by it not being their main focus.
But also, I am a Gen5 fan, and honestly, I don't think a faithful BW remake would detract as bad as it was for us getting one with DP. BW is commonly agreed to have one of the best stories in the main series, and stands pretty strong on its own, while DP needed Platinum to be good. BDSP is a decent experience if you have never played Platinum, but Platinum still ended up being the definitive experience.
It also bugs me with the waste of potential, like imagine if we got a DP remake adding elements from Platinum and Legends, that would have been dope.
Gen 4 was my first intro to pokémon in elementary school, and I’d wanted remakes ever since ORAS, and BDSP felt so legitimately disappointing to the point of disgust. I felt like we missed out on the experience Gen 1-3 kids had with FRLG, HGSS, and ORAS which are in so many people’s top 5 Pokemon games of all time for their innovation, improvements to the originals, and overall care and character that permeate the whole experience. Between the Sevii Islands, the Battle Frontier, the Pokeathlon, Soaring, the Delta episode, all of the previous remakes had flaws but felt like reimaginings of the originals in fresh perfected ways. Sinnoh has always been my first and favorite region, and the underground was nice, but the rest of the game felt like an attempt to “just get a remake out” in a way that was genuinely distasteful, careless, and unfortunately made me resent them entirely
Gen 4 are my favorite games. I don't hate BDSP just was highly disappointed by them. I really wamted DP in SWSH engine with Dynamax and a Delta Episode for Giratina
But I genuinely think SWSH had such bad reception that Pokemon Company thought extremely faithful and safe would be a better option. Which just baffles me
Like they were so focused on Legends Arceus that they actually neglected to give the Remakes of the generation ask for the most and had the long gap in between the originals to drop a glorified tech demo
I like Legends Arceus but it's definitely a very incomplete game. They focused so much on the catching and that's literally it. The story and characters are boring. The world is empty, the action rpg elements are hella clunky. And it's a prequel not a remake. I would've even been ok if they the DP remakes were the experimental games. As in the used all of the Legends concepts for the Sinnoh remakes. At least we would've had a new experience for modern Sinnoh. But no we got disappointing remakes and an ok at best prequel
Gen 5 is my 2nd favorite. So I have hope BW don't get disrespected for another Legends game
I loved Brilliant Diamond cause I also never played the originals. I never use following Pokemon so I didn't even notice the weird proportions.
Diamond and Pearl was my first official Pokemon games, I played a friends version of Ruby for a bit but Sinnoh was my first full playthrough
I didnt hate the remakes, I just wish they would have used Platinum as the base for the games over D+P as Platinum imo is the better version of the Gen4 Sinnoh games
- Better dex
- More fleshed out story/Things to do overall
- Addressed the issues with D+P
4:36 whats wrong with typhlosion why doesent it have any flames?
Imo the biggest sin is that the vibes are completely changed with the art style. It has different colors and everything. It doesn’t look like the same cosy place, but a different location that happens to have the same layout
Edit: just realized you spoke on this
I actually quite quite "chibi" graphics as used in Super Mario RPG or the 2D Zelda games. But in those games, it feels like a deliberate artistic choice rather than a cost-cutting measure made to compensate the lack of development time. Still, I'm glad that Game Freak worked on something new instead of another remake with Legends Arceus instead.
Pokemon remakes are interesting because it fans aren't looking for a faithful recreation of an old game, they want a new experience with the current generation gameplay mechanics, but with the skin of a previous title.
@vianabdullah2837 i too, quite quite the chibi graphics, i dont really care if its "jarring" when the switch to the larger models in battle, it still works for the game even in 3d
Too bad the Let's Go games did so much better of a job with the chili art style including making some of the best looking cutscenes for the franchise overall years before this was made. If they had just used the let's go artstyle, I think people would've been more accepting of it. That game even got proportional sizing right for overworld Pokemon. And that game already felt cheap without much extra content, making this game feel even cheaper in comparison
BD&SP is an insult for older pokemon fans and It's messed up Game-freak trick the newer fans think is a good game they deserve better than this trash!
Heck even bootlegs and fan mades put more effort than this multi-million dollar franchise game!
What's more sucks that platinum story works perfectly with Legends Arceus story with Giratina! We have been robbed! 😭
gen iv fanatic here, so much that i prefer diamond over platinum and diamond is hands down in my top 5 favorite games of all time
and um… i hate these like i’m sorry, seeing that this is what happened to dpp when we have the other remakes was so disappointing
i wanted to relive the gen iv sinnoh games in a modern setting and instead we got an inferior game to platinum, it does improve on dp but well anything does
and i hate these narrative that legends arceus is the suitable replacement when it’s not, pla is not dp and the whole story and structure is a whole different thing
these games were underwhelming and just made in poor taste from gamefreak
I just got Diamond, and I gotta say... I'm having a lot of fun. I've never played this version, and it's a very straight forward simple Pokémon game. Lots of Gen 1 Pokémon as well. If you are looking for something with more depth, maybe another is for you.
Having never played Platinum as I didn't buy the 3rd versions BDSP are the best versions of my least favourite region. They're playable but flawed as hell.
BDSP at least fixed sheer slowness of everything from Diamond/Pearl and semi-fixed the HM issue.
BDSP is just a fairy contaminated, chibi, 3d, nigh passionless, gen 4 hate project.
There was still the limit of 493 Pokemon, Used the dex from OG Pearl & diamond, did not make any modifications to the gym leader teams and elite 4 teams, no pss, no friend safari, no natural in game even to get Darkrai {which should be version exclusive w/Cresselia}, Shaymin, Arceus {though I'd let that slide cause of Legends A} or Deoxys, Jirachi, Celebi or Mew, no wild high level Chansey & Blissey, no hidden grottos, no raids, no mega evolution, no 100/200♾use TM's, no HM's, and no wild high level *fully evolved* pokemon, and no game corner/proper minigame arcade, , no new "Paul like" rival that picks the last remaining starter, and serious lack of character customization.
They could have included pokemon from gen 5 - 8 to spice things up:
Stoutland, Musharna, Gigalith, Scolipede, Basculegion, Darmanitan, Scrafty, H-Zoroark, Reuniclus, Vanilluxe, Jellicent, Eelektross, Beheeyem, Chandelure, Druddigon, Golurk, Hydreigon, Cobalion, Terrakion, Verizon, Keldeo, Chesnaught, Delphox, Greninja, Florges, Malamar, Dragalge, Clawitzer, Tyrantrum, Aurorus, Carbink, Goodra, Trevenant, Toucannon, Crabominable, A-Ninetales, Lycanroc, Toxapex, Araquanid, Palossand, Salazzle, Silvally, Turtonator, Drampa, Bruxish, Dhelmise, Naganadel, Orbeetle, Coalossal, Sandaconda, Toxtricity, Centiskorch, Grimmsnarl, Alcremie, Pincurchin, Dragapult, Regieleki, Regidrago, Wyrdeer, Ursaluna.
As someone who jumped into the vast world as pokemon in gen 4, specifically gen 4, I'm probably apart of the rare few who adores the remake. It's not perfect. The flaws you mentioned are... Unfortunate, the tiny Pokémon are funny, in an unsettling way at times, but given the way it seems, this being ILCAs very first full made title, not just a support company, I give them kudos. Regardless, I really appreciate your video, and everything in between :)
I have been victim of believing the antihype about this game and I recently started playing it and…
I actually can’t put it down haha.
Did you pick Chimchar? cause if you didn't the only fire type to use is Ponyta cause they stupidly didn't used the expanded Platinum dex.
@@ChrisMS0815 rare spawns of houndoom can be found in the grand underground and magby can also be found there in shining pearl. also, not a fire type but I used an elekid caught in the underground during my play through of brilliant diamond
@@ChrisMS0815 you can also use houndour
I’m a massive Sinnoh nut and I sadly never finished these games. I’ve lost all drive to ever retry them because starting a new file would lose me the Platinum outfit I got for being an early adopter, and the mystery gifts that were released afterwards 🙁
I love the new content BDSP included. New and improved boss fights and rematches on the level of competitive Pokémon, Master Class Battle Tower that features new opponents (including Team Galactic!), and a new Dawn/Lucas battle. These are additions traditional Pokémon remakes are known for, and I wished they fleshed these ideas out more.
One thing we all can't deny, it was the only way up to that point, to get that old school, top down Pokemon experience on the switch, and that is why I bought my first switch for this game haha
I enjoyed bdsp, but not in the traditional way. Me and my group of friends all nuzlocked the game together as a group. We made sure that we hit certain points in the game at the same time, and we played through the elite 4 together at the same time. I also enjoyed how difficult the elite 4 was. It was genuinely hard, and that’s not something you usually get in Pokémon games now days.
Love that! Reminds me of what me and a friend used to do ourselves when we were younger!
As a Gen 3 person, I had a huge sigh of relief that this isn’t how it was fated. It made me feel really bad for the Gen 4 people. I hope they were still able to find some joy in it.
I think these games are a good example of "what is a remake" and "what is a remaster".
Remakes tend to be very different from their original counterpart, with a lot of their code redone down to its base and sometimes with very different gameplay. The Final Fantasy 7 remakes are an extreme example of this, being completely different games with similar plot, characters and locations. Every other pokemon remake up to this point have fulfilled these, "re-imagining" it like you said.
Remasters, on the other hand, tend to just be a more modern version of the already existing game. They tend to have mostly the same code (BDSP has been confirmed to have *a lot* of copied code, they even brought back some old gen 4 bugs) and gameplay, with improvements to graphics and the engine. Skyrim is a good example of a game just getting a new coat of paint, a few new features and being called a remaster.
Also, at least in my case, the new graphics ended up being very uncomfortable to play with. There's a cave north of Jubilife where I was trying to get a specific encounter, and they put fog in there simply because the original also had it, but the constant moving of it when I went up and down the stairs genuinely hurt my eyes and forced me to stop playing.
I am in a weird position because I never got to play DPPt at all, so my first exposure to Sinnoh was literally shining pearl… as a result BDSP are actually my favorites 😂 Maybe someday I’ll play through Platinum and realize what everyone’s talking about with the hate.
The reason Heartgold and SoulSilver worked so well is that they took everything that the games had learned up to that point. They not only remade the story of Gold and Silver, but also seamlessly interweaved the plot of Crystal into the games. They also used all the mechanics and designs of Gen 4 into the games.
Compare that with these games. They simply just remade the games. They pretty much ignored all the improvements from Platinum and didn't bother interweaving any of it's story elements. I don't hate the chibi art style, but I understand that a lot of people were hoping to see the same art style from Sword and Shield. It's things like that alienated so many people with these games.
Zelda Fandom: Oh man, Zelda Links Awakening is so great. They made a pure remake for us, while still maintaining the Chibi style. But great
Pokemon Fandom: UUUEEEEE, how dare they make a remake of the original?! Ueeee they had to give me what I wanted UUEEEEEE
Gen 4 for me, originally was just way too slow. Going from emerald and fire red, the pacing in diamond just wasn’t cutting it.
remakes used to be about *remaking* a region in the mold of the current generation, adopting all its mechanics. Now it seems theyve abandoned that in favor of what is just a remaster. I can see why, but if theyre going to remaster they should go for a *definitive* edition with all the content scattered across 3 or 4 versions.
Honestly, for me these remakes were a breath of fresh air. I genuinly had a lot of fun with them, moreso than with Sword and Shield. I had never played the originals, though.
for me Gen 4 has always been extremely FORGETTABLE. Even when taking a long hiatus and trying to replay it. I can't for the life of me remember any of the gym leaders. Whats even worse is the Level format is THE SAME as Gen 2. Making you have to deal with trainers capping out at only level 30 for the ENTIRE 2nd half of the game while yours are long past level 40-50. it just drags on unnecessarily for too long. and the Elite 4 is so brutally difficult that I don't even bother to tackle it with anything lower then a full party of level 90-100 mons. I played through BD and am currently at the Elite 4. I haven't even tried yet. I'm just leveling my entire party to level 100. I've already gotten the national dex by now. I'm not even going to bother completing the game.
I've learnt to love them 💖 At first, I was quite resentful toward BDSP's unreasonable difficult spike, going from light, friendly fun to demonic the second the player steps into the Elite Four with no forewarning to what's to come. It just isn't fair and has rightfully made tons of players just abandon the game. It makes players feel like they've done something wrong, having their team comprised of their favourites or any random shinys the hunters treaded across Sinnoh for *washed* by Cynthia and her overpowered, competitively-built team.
It's only now, with the introduction of Pokémon Home and all the handy, convenient tools introduced in SV do I enjoy challenging the Elite Four and Cynthia since I have access to EVs via the ogre-oustin game and easy breeding, being able to spawn several eggs in my player's picnic basket to find the perfect IV Pokémon I want to port over to my Shiny Pearl copy.
BDSP is really missing such tools, especially frustrating not knowing the monstrous challenge to come.
The lack of Platinum improvements was really disappointing, relegating Candice, Flint and Volkner to their poor original teams
I personally believe that while BDSP have some glaring flaws, they work well enough in my opinion to make them(at least BD, since that's the only one of the pair I played) at least reasonably enjoyable. Also, the Grand Underground will be making several of my challenge playthroughs I do in them far more manageable than if I did those runs in the original Diamond or Pearl games.
I'm an OG Pokemon fan who has played every generation since Gen 1 and Gen 4 has always been my least favorite. The lore & characters are nice and Platinum was a BIG improvement but I never enjoyed playing Gen 4 so I was not looking forward to the remakes. When I played the remakes, I had a better time than I assumed I would but I had no interest playing past than the Elite 4.
Game Freak didn't want the other company to overshadow PLA.
what kills it for me is the movement. Aesthetically and mechanically, it's fine, though not great. but man they should have just kept it on a grid system bc moving around in this game feels like a nightmare.
the only thing good from BDSP was the music for me. Barry battle especially 😅
I really love the music in these too! The Lake theme and Eterna Forest in particular were bops!
The original Diamond and Pearl were very problematic also, it deserved the Platinum treatment on a modern console - and we did not get that
Yeah, these games are massive letdowns in every way as a Gen IV fan. I wanted to see Sinnoh in 3D with new features and new designs just like the previous remakes did, not an uglier and worse version of a game I already played.
I know the trade-off is PLA and it's cool GF is trying to evolve the series, but it stills feels very unfinished in a lot of ways and needed a lot of work. It doesn't really take the spot of a real Sinnoh remake.
I love the game and honesty don't care what people said but i still accept many people dislike the game. Thank you for the video as usual and see you on next video
i had played pokemon platinum so much when i was younger that i was eagerly waiting for the gen 4 remakes and i was very disappointed not because the games very bad but more like it was a pretty boring experience when the remakes had so much potential.
Diamond was my first pokemon game so I bought brilliant diamond, I loved the nostalgia kick at first but did find myself missing the original games and my most recent gen 4 playthrough was with a copy of the original pokemon Pearl. The OGs do it better, and I am disappointed in BDSP. I did still have fun with them though, and they're nice for an easy playthrough without the slowness of the originals and the annoyance of HM moves
I pladed them once. I remember likeing them but I also never picked them up again so I can't say that I was that impressed with them. I also fouind myself wishing I was playing the Platnum story
Gen 4 was my favorite gen. So I had high hopes for these remakes. But, it honestly felt like a money grab. Compared to other remakes like UltraSun/Ultra Moon, or ORAS, these remakes just looked like they copy/pasted the originals. I at least wanted a more 3D-ish experience similar to Sword/Shield. I was actually drooling over how Sinnoh would look using the Sword/Shield engine.
And then GameFreak decided to give us all the middle finger.
Debatably? NO, absolutely NOT debatable, these are definitely the worst remakes Pokemon has ever done
Idk man let’s go exist
This is an opinion based statement, thus very much debatable.
I refused to buy bdsp but after playing them on an emulator, they’re worse than I could’ve imagined
in my opinion these games are average, good if you want to introduce someone to gen 4 without handing them a DS, but from a modern perspective it just kind of feels....well rushed. Like Nintendo just handed the DS versions to someone and was like "modernize these please"
Not even modernize, just "clean up" and "make these look good enough, and only good enough"
Gen 4 is my favorite, just loved the region and it's vibes. I was on a break from the series when these came out but came back for legends. Legends got me back into the series and so I picked up Shining Pearl. I had already walked into the title knowing it was not going to be the same type of remakes as the last gens. It's not the remakes I wanted for my favorite gen but I do think they are so faithful to the originals because of Legends coming out so close to them. I would of loved just some of the platinum elements but the things they did change, like getting most of the third version options as soon as badge 2 made team building fun. The art style isn't my cup of tea but I do see what they went for.
All in all, I do find myself suggesting it to newer fans who do not want to shell out 120 bucks for a used DS and copy of the originals.
BDSP convinced me that fans should stop asking for remakes at this point and instead should ask for better Pokemon games
BDSP are the worst remakes, and the worst Pokémon games. In my honest opinion. I bought them both of course, but I never played past the 4th badge in BD. I couldn’t handle it anymore. Where ORAS added the Delta Episode where you can catch the mythical Deoxys, BDSP brought back the limited time events to catch Shaymin and Darkrai. Why not just have them as quests in the game? Everything about BDSP just pisses me off.
I think the general consensus is that BDSP is slightly better than DP but worse than Platinum
Irrelevant of BDSP’s quality, it’s bad in terms of a remake, a good BDSP remake would have many of the quality of life improvements that Platinum added to Gen 4
It Didn’t help that people were expecting the remake to have all of Platinum’s improvements
“I played good games”
I honestly liked these games. Not as much as the other Switch Pokémon games. But they are absolutely decent games. Tbf. it's just a stop gap between Sword/Shield and Legends Arceus.
I didn’t mine cuz i loved legends arceus. I’ve played through platinum so many times and even if it was on SW/SH engine I don’t think i would’ve been immersed. I think LA was the right way to go
I adored Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum growing up. I bought both Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl when they released, as well as Legends Arceus. I haven't touched the former since I got them, whereas PLA is one of my favourite games in the series. I think the jarring graphical change between SwSh and BDSP, coupled with the fact that each of the other remakes add *something* to the experience rather than being 1:1 carbon copies of the original, just dulled the shine for me
The reveal of BDSP looked playable. The released games are unplayable. Even if I try to mod some hurting graphic effects out, it still is not enough. These games should never be played unless they get a GTA Definitive Treatment. Update it to make it at least playable. Why the hell is the bloom even there, the deep sharpness and blurry graphics everywhere, I don't get why anyone could play that, it is really hurting my eyes since day 1 and it's still like that. Even SV looks better, minus the crystallizing evolution thing crap that nobody needs and hurts my eyes, too. And no, I mean not because it looks like sh*t, well, it does, but because it literally hurts.
I enjoyed them. My only issue was the chibi characters but that didn't ruin the game for me
I’m currently replaying through pokemon white and it’s making me dread their inevitable remakes.
I just got through Pokémon White on my phone. It was a good time. Ghetsis was giving me a whuppin' with his level 54 Hydreigon but I eventually got lucky with a paralysis. Twice in quick succession when he full restored.
My favourite generation is Gen 4! I absolutely love BDSP, I enjoy the art style and love that theres no battle gimmicks.
My only complaints are the lack of platinum content and how butchered some of the following pokemon are
Thankfully rom hacker/mods are fixing this mess.
The battle animations were quite epic, the remake itself isn’t bad and some of the post game options and the mythicals that you could get just for owning other games was a nice bonus.
But I’ll have to be completely honest the fact that it doesn’t include the platinum story line or do/add anything new and that it was too safe was rather boring ngl.
But as a remake this would a good remake but I would of liked to see some new mega evolutions and such so that way it would follow along with the remakes adding megas like ORAS and Let’s go.
When they first revealed BDSP and I saw it I was shocked at how bad it looked and the person talking in the trailer immediately damage controlled the look and style of the game by using the "faithful recreation" excuse. That doesn't fly here because thats not what we wanted or expected, especially not to the point where it's doesn't even have the Platinum dex or story content. Ponyta is the only fire type if you don't pick Chimchar again. I expected it to look like Sword and Shield since all previous remakes used the engine of the current generation and it sucked cause I really liked Gen 4 back in the day. Hopefully they get Black and White right.
As for me, i actually like Pokémon shining pearl,but to this day, i will still maintain that the only 2 worst Pokémon games to date is both Scarlet and Violet. There was no credible reason for both Scarlet and Violet to be released in unplayable condition on day 1 and im still surprised that Pokémon bdsp,sword and shield,Pokémon let's go Pikachu and Evee and Pokémon legends arceus are still getting so much hate. I've been playing the main series Pokémon games since December 25th 2004 and i will not be picking up Pokémon legends Z-A on day 1 release. It will be the very first time where im not interested in a new Pokémon game, and the reason is because of all the issues with both Scarlet and Violet
I have NO idea why, but I had a really good experience with this game. the amount of relief I felt when I beat Cynthia, the amount of dopamine produced from my brain was enough to kill a victorian child
More, More, MORE! That's all you care about.
I had the exact sams situation as you, these games were my first experience of Sinnoh, so the freshness was fun. That said even my first playthrough I found the games underwhelming, playing through platinum later on was a much more enjoyable experience.
These were my first Pokémon games I ever played and after this and Scarlet & Violet, I started playing the old ones and they are war more fun.
I also recently played Brilliant Diamond and surprisingly, I quite enjoyed it. Not the greatest game of all time but I couldn’t bring myself to hate it. (Never played the original Gen 4, so I didn’t really expect anything.)
I've been there for every mainline entry and played almost any Pokemon game you can think of.
I don't think this game is as bad as people said it was. There were definitely many bad things about it (getting stuck on corners, no real innovation vs true remake, etc) but a lot of it is overexaggerated. As a whole I still had more fun with BDSP than I did with, say, X and Y. It's probably mostly due to nostalgia for Gen 4, but still... definitely not the worst, definitely not the best.
This is probably one of the reviews where i agree with you the most for the most part.
Playing the original platinum in 2024 >>> Playing BDSP in 2024
I'll be interested to see what you think of these. They could have definitely been better.
I didn't even play them because I didn't like the art style and much prefer how they looked in other games, like the Hoenn remakes.
i'm enjoying it so far, since its stays pretty faithful to the original. Only issue is knowing they could have incorporated Platinum content, but didn't
Sad thing my favorite one was Platinum from gen 4. I did find it cute, but its at least they did Legends of Arceus to dont totally screw with gen 4 lovers.
Yeah, but am I the only one pissed that the gen 4 starters got totally overlooked for special forms with how they designed the games? Like how could they give special new forms for Pokemon from other regions and not give anything to the actual gen 4 starters? That just felt bad after the gen 3 starters got their mega forms and gen 1 got them in X and Y. It's cool that Arceus gave them to a gen 2, 5, and 7 Pokemon, but come on, how long will the gen 4 starters have to wait now?
The originals weren't great to begin with then you consider emerald
Oh my gosh they made faithful remakes?
Let’s cry about it !
none of the other remakes were so faithful that they actually made the games worse
Well, Pokémon Luminescent Platinum exists now, so we can experience a more complete game at least.
Tbh, as a gen 5 fan I'm not worried about "what happened" to BDSP happening to BW because BW were actually good games to begin with. As other commenters have mentioned, DP were full of really glaring flaws and an underwhelming story, so replicating that with BDSP made for sn underwhelming game. BW on the other hand are *really good*, so a "faithful" remake will already be better than BDSP.
Diamond and Pearl ARE great games, though. I can't believe you're going to say that DP had an underwhelming story when Black and White have an even more of an underwhelming story. I think what made it worse for me was that it tried so hard to be edgy, deep, and different with its themes and absolutely failed to do anything interesting with them. They tried to build something big and it just fell flat. It felt like watching a really bad anime.
To each their own, though, I suppose. Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum will always be legendary games as far as I am concerned.
A SINNOH game being SLUGGISH? So accurate to the original! All we need is 'Saving a lot of data' back... The big problem is that Sinnoh sucked to begin with and this remake didn't try to make it better.
I think all yhe hate these games get is quite hyperbolic and mostly based on people wanting a game more like platinum, but considered by itself, its a fine game, just not as replayable as other pokemon games
I found BDSP to be a slog. Mostly because of the jankiness. I have fun playing most Pokémon games. I even liked Sword and Shield, which is unusual in this fandom.
Nothing about BDSP feels intentional. The EXP Share is even more poorly balanced in these games. It isn't taken into consideration at all. The chibi style doesn't fit some of the more serious themes. Following Pokémon is done just to include the feature, not enhance your experience.
PLA, in contrast, is also not perfect. The graphics close up can be iffy, mostly with the grass imo. But overall, the games have style. The sky is mesmerizing. The region looks grand in wide shots. There aren't many NPCs or trainer battles because Hisui was barely settled. You're basically a Pokémon professor here. It's different and cool. Sometimes it's tedious, but that kind of works because research can be like that. I really enjoyed these games because there was a reason for the mechanics and aesthetics.
That's the thing with art, intention. It should be cohesive and feel like it's done for a reason (obviously there are exceptions, like Rule of Cool or making something wacky). This is why both BDSP and SV fall short for me, it felt like they did things just because and not because it makes sense with the region.
I will say I do kind of enjoy the way the overworld of BDSP looks. But I do wish we'd gotten a game with the Sword and Shield engine, a real 3D world. I think it could have been better than SwSh if done this way. Also, Platinum's Pokédex.
my condolences my friend
Oh ilca….. was revealed in concept art they wanted to give us the remake we wanted but were shut down by game freak :(
Honestly, I didn’t mind it. 🤗
Platinum was my first game and white 2
This “remake” stung, tbh I lowkey kept waiting for the new concept to drop tbh, I was convinced we were getting a delta episode treatment for giratina, thank fuck for legends, needless to say IM WORRIED for unova remakes ngl, the odds my first games were sinnoh and unova :(
I never really hated the chibi style and its look in general cause i dont mind games looking different i think the issue was at least for me they were a little messy.
The following along pokemon i think was done very poorly and has been since the sword and shield dlc and has only really worked in Lets Go from the switch games. If you cant do it right why even bother having it in the game you know. Most pokemon i had following were left behind and potentially having to stop for them to catch up. Roomba Ekans
Taking away the option for the affection gimmick is annoying as hell like its been a thing since X & Y and it was OPTIONAL. Like these types of things where you take more options away rather than adding things in or keeping them in is so weird to me. Like if it doesnt matter too much why take it out like swapping pokemon around.
The only thing i do like is the elite 4 and Cynthia actually having hard teams and having their Platinum teams in one rematch and a mix and match team in a second rematch. Cynthia is made even harder and they all have items. How can they get this so right but other parts so wrong
Can you do this for Sun and Moon
Why play BDSP when Platinum can be easily emulated and modded?
The best Pokemon game is a modded Pokemon game.